| csteed | Hey guys and girls. I installed 18.10 testing image a week ago. Will my system update to new developments in 18.10 or do I need to reinstall? | 04:50 |
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| wxl | it'll update | 04:50 |
| csteed | Thanks | 04:50 |
| wxl | well, as long as you run the updates.. or set up unattended-upgrades | 04:50 |
| wxl | admittedly you won't see much change for a little while | 04:51 |
| wxl | at the end of the cycle everyone wants to just take a break :) | 04:51 |
| csteed | Well done though. Things look nice. | 04:51 |
| wxl | yay thanks :) | 04:52 |
| wxl | aren't you the person who contributed some last minute changes to the manual? | 04:52 |
| csteed | Yes. | 04:52 |
| wxl | thank you!!!! | 04:52 |
| wxl | we can always use more folks on the documenation team, if you're looking for something to do :) | 04:53 |
| csteed | Yeah I really enjoy the distro. I'll help out whenever I have the time. | 04:53 |
| wxl | cool. if you're looking for something new to do, we can always make suggestions, too (and free training!) | 04:54 |
| csteed | I don't know how formal the team is but I can commit about an hour most days. | 04:54 |
| wxl | i'd sit around #lubuntu-devel if i were you | 04:54 |
| wxl | oh we're not super formal at all. i mean there's a couple of us who i'd say are sort of responsible for ensuring this or that happens but mostly it's just nice people doing what they can when they can | 04:55 |
| csteed | Great stuff. I've been commiting changes with no effort and people have been merging when they have time so I figured that's how things go. | 04:56 |
| csteed | Thanks though. I'll probably be in touch | 04:56 |
| demophobia | hey | 04:57 |
| wxl | pretty much. i think you're doing stuff on github which requires a little extra magic on our end. if you want to know the canonical way, we could teach you that | 04:57 |
| wxl | ta csteed :) | 04:57 |
| demophobia | why lubuntu rather than xubuntu, if you have 1.66 GHz CPU and 2 GB RAM? | 04:57 |
| wxl | yo demophobia | 04:57 |
| wxl | cuz it's better? :) | 04:57 |
| demophobia | i'm using lubuntu but looking at xubuntu i wonder if i'm cheating myself if it uses only a little more and ... well ... | 04:57 |
| wxl | what do you think you're missing? | 04:57 |
| demophobia | why is lubuntu better than wxl if you have 2 GB RAM and 1.66 GHz CPU? i'm thinking i'm missing a prettier OS with a bit more functionality (e.g. search bar in start menu) | 04:58 |
| demophobia | *better than xubuntu | 04:58 |
| wxl | the better was a joke. the question of which distro is best is about as valid as which text editor is best or which pizza is best for that matter. | 04:58 |
| demophobia | ;_; | 04:59 |
| demophobia | isn't it better to use a computer more to its capacity? | 04:59 |
| wxl | similarly prettier is something you'll have to judge for yourself | 04:59 |
| demophobia | have you tried both? | 04:59 |
| wxl | 18.10's menu does have a search though | 04:59 |
| wxl | and a launcher | 04:59 |
| wxl | i haven't used xubuntu in a while | 04:59 |
| demophobia | is lubuntu switching from lxde to Qt? | 04:59 |
| demophobia | are those two different things? | 04:59 |
| wxl | we already did | 04:59 |
| wxl | 18.10 | 04:59 |
| demophobia | i've got lubuntu 18.04.1 LTS | 05:00 |
| demophobia | i'm new so i figured i should go with LTS | 05:00 |
| csteed | Yes | 05:00 |
| wxl | that's reasonable, but a word of warning: upgrading to 18.10 or even 20.04 (the next LTS) will not be easy | 05:01 |
| demophobia | why Qt rather than Xfce? | 05:01 |
| demophobia | wxl, why's that? | 05:01 |
| demophobia | not simply copying data files to hard drive and reinstalling? does grub have to change? (i have dual boot with win7) | 05:01 |
| csteed | I suggest you stick with 18.04 and install a search app, try synapse. It searches for files and applications | 05:01 |
| wxl | xfce is not a graphics toolkit. it's a desktop environment. your question may be why qt rather than gtk, in which case the answer is that qt is much easier to work with | 05:02 |
| csteed | LXDE is very fast, and similar to XP-style, that is what attracted me to it. | 05:02 |
| demophobia | i read some pages about lubuntu vs xubuntu | 05:02 |
| wxl | 18.10 is COMPLETELY different. every single piece changes. so you can't really upgrade. i mean, you can, but you basically end up with the new version of the old lubuntu plus the new version of the new lubuntu | 05:02 |
| demophobia | the consensus seemed to be, "use lubuntu for limited computers; xubuntu is a bit nicer if you have a bit more RAM" | 05:02 |
| wxl | yeah and lxqt is a lot more modern, so that comparison starts to breakdown | 05:03 |
| demophobia | i'm wondering why someone would want to use lubuntu rather than xubuntu even if they had a computer able to run xubuntu | 05:03 |
| wxl | lubuntu has also stopped focusing SOLELY on keeping things lightweight at all costs. practicality is something we consider now too XD | 05:03 |
| demophobia | right, so then why not just merge with xubuntu | 05:03 |
| wxl | we're still the lightest thing out there, though | 05:03 |
| wxl | because qt and gtk are completely incompatible | 05:04 |
| demophobia | i found a page that recommended 'Puppy Linux' rather than lubuntu | 05:04 |
| wxl | not to mention the two desktop environments are completely different | 05:04 |
| wxl | omg please hear me now: never ever ever ever use puppy linux | 05:04 |
| demophobia | i mean, it listed "the five most lightweight" (or 5 best or something) and it listed Puppy Linux instead of lubuntu | 05:04 |
| demophobia | why, what's wrong with that distro? | 05:04 |
| csteed | Puppy is not user friendly. | 05:04 |
| wxl | puppy is maybe best considered a tool rather than an actual operating system | 05:04 |
| demophobia | o_o | 05:04 |
| wxl | it's insanely cobbled together | 05:05 |
| demophobia | that's unfortunate | 05:05 |
| wxl | there is really no distro i will say demeaning things about (although there are those that i'd advise against), but puppy is the exception | 05:05 |
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| demophobia | so you like lubuntu simply because it's more lightweight than xubuntu? | 05:05 |
| demophobia | and in that case, if i'm lagging occasionally with lubuntu (e.g. webpages) then i definitely should not try xubuntu? | 05:06 |
| wxl | i mainly like lubuntu because it's simple. our philosophy is to "not get in the way" | 05:06 |
| wxl | the modern web is a demanding thing.... | 05:06 |
| wxl | i doubt xubuntu will prove to be dramatically different, but it will use a bit more resources | 05:07 |
| wxl | but if you're struggling, i wouldn't bother | 05:07 |
| wxl | if you really want to push things, you could just use the netinstall image to install ubuntu-core and build up a completely minimal x environment with e.g. openbox or fluxbox as a window manager. bolt on only the pieces you need from there. | 05:08 |
| demophobia | i don't have the time to learn all that ... i'm trying already to get the community's help to sort out the few issues i do have | 05:14 |
| demophobia | that are i think far more simple | 05:14 |
| wxl | then i'd stick with what you've got | 05:14 |
| wxl | btw what are those issues? | 05:14 |
| demophobia | please see https://askubuntu.com/questions/1085983/how-to-fix-other-software-listing-duplicate-entries | 05:14 |
| demophobia | i haven't asked about this yet, but clicking my keyboard icon in the bottom right to try to switch to japanese keyboard also crashed my computer 1-2 days ago | 05:15 |
| wxl | this is your question? | 05:15 |
| demophobia | it's one issue i came across, yes (the keyboard freezing my desktop environment(?) was another) | 05:15 |
| demophobia | another is radiotray's error messages when opening via terminal | 05:16 |
| wxl | my question is whether or not this question on askubuntu was asked by you or if this describes an issue you're having | 05:16 |
| demophobia | oh | 05:16 |
| demophobia | does the distinction matter? >_> it is an issue i'm having | 05:17 |
| wxl | yes, it does | 05:17 |
| wxl | which duplicate entries do you see? | 05:17 |
| demophobia | ... the ones in that screenshot `-` | 05:17 |
| wxl | so this is your question? jeez | 05:18 |
| demophobia | sorry | 05:18 |
| wxl | like pulling teeth over here | 05:18 |
| demophobia | double sorry | 05:18 |
| wxl | what's this braave browser business? | 05:18 |
| demophobia | i gave up on that. 32-bit only for linux, the website didn't make that clear | 05:18 |
| demophobia | *64-bit only | 05:18 |
| wxl | i'd probably start by deleting those | 05:18 |
| demophobia | i did already | 05:19 |
| wxl | pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list | 05:21 |
| wxl | also the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list.d | 05:21 |
| wxl | you can use the pastebinit package for this | 05:21 |
| wxl | like `pastebinit -i /etc/apt/sources.list` and `ls -alh /etc/apt/source.list.d | pastebinit` | 05:21 |
| demophobia | https://pastebin.com/ypkMDRG2 | 05:25 |
| demophobia | oh wow | 05:26 |
| wxl | you said you were on 18.04 but this is clearly 16.04 | 05:27 |
| wxl | you might want to confirm that with lsb_release -a | 05:27 |
| wxl | but yet you have bionic repos enabled | 05:28 |
| demophobia | oh ... so the update failed then ... i did get a message that it had failed, but it looked like it succeeded in other ways, e.g. the computer tells me it's 18.04 | 05:29 |
| demophobia | at the very end it said it failed, after it had gone through the entire installation | 05:29 |
| demophobia | so then i should just do a reinstallation? ... | 05:29 |
| demophobia | i'm afraid of messing up grub and losing my win7 'cause i bought this from amazon and they wouldn't give me the windows license | 05:29 |
| demophobia | it's an OEM enterprise win7 installation or something (dell) that i dualbooted installing 16.04 a while back | 05:30 |
| wxl | well even if you mess up grub it's not going to remove windows | 05:30 |
| wxl | that said, usually it's best when you run into errors to make note of the exact nature of those errors… otherwise it's hard to tell you how to fix it | 05:30 |
| demophobia | does say 18.04 https://pastebin.com/75wx6yLG | 05:31 |
| wxl | that said i have no clue what happened | 05:31 |
| demophobia | oh, i took photos | 05:31 |
| demophobia | i can say exactly | 05:31 |
| wxl | so i'd replace xenial with bionic on your sources.list | 05:31 |
| wxl | was there nothing in /etc/apt/sources.list.d?/ | 05:31 |
| demophobia | first, i had to reset my password via the recovery root method described on askubuntu to login | 05:31 |
| demophobia | then, i tried to ... well, i'm suddenly thinking i shoudl go to bed | 05:32 |
| demophobia | Could not install 'doc-base' was the first error during the upgrade | 05:32 |
| wxl | did it say why? | 05:32 |
| demophobia | Installed doc-base package post-installation script subprocess returned error exist status 10 | 05:32 |
| demophobia | *exit | 05:32 |
| wxl | can you send that pic? | 05:33 |
| wxl | that includes that part? | 05:33 |
| demophobia | 'k ... i'll send it then go to bed if that's all right -- is it useful for your development of the OS? or are you only asking for it to help me personally now? | 05:34 |
| wxl | i was only ever asking for your help | 05:34 |
| demophobia | oh. well, i'm getting the pic now but it only says what i typed | 05:36 |
| demophobia | is there a preferred method for sending/uploading photos? i could log into imgur but it'd take more time to find my login info | 05:38 |
| demophobia | but ... | 05:38 |
| wxl | does an upgrade work? | 05:38 |
| demophobia | it says i already have the latest software | 05:38 |
| wxl | share.riseup.net works fine | 05:38 |
| wxl | did you replace xenial with bionic in your sources.list? | 05:38 |
| demophobia | not yet | 05:39 |
| wxl | do that and then try to do an upgrade | 05:39 |
| wxl | also you never told me about /etc/apt/sources.list.d | 05:39 |
| demophobia | https://share.riseup.net/#aM0YcZjsUy-YqA3eT3Savw | 05:39 |
| wxl | oh, right. this wasn't a do-release-upgrade. bummer. | 05:40 |
| demophobia | i made a liveDVD. should i copy my documents to USB and then reinstall from liveDVD? | 05:41 |
| demophobia | but i tried to upgrade from downloading | 05:41 |
| wxl | well that would absolutely remove any other concerns | 05:41 |
| demophobia | i wonder if the problem was a download error: i tried to download from japanese servers, i think (because i was in japan back in the day) | 05:41 |
| wxl | i'd say it'd be a good idea. | 05:41 |
| demophobia | from another country | 05:41 |
| wxl | otherwise i can work to help you with that | 05:42 |
| demophobia | https://pastebin.com/ixhkE3xh | 05:43 |
| lubot | Mahdis was removed by: Mahdis | 05:43 |
| demophobia | shouldn't i delete those brave-browser files since i can't install the software on this computer? | 05:43 |
| wxl | yep | 05:43 |
| demophobia | should i leave the folder in case of future use? | 05:44 |
| wxl | i would | 05:44 |
| demophobia | permission denied to delete it via the GUI | 05:44 |
| demophobia | i guess i need to sudo rm it? | 05:44 |
| wxl | yep | 05:44 |
| wxl | or use the open folder as root option in pcmanfm | 05:45 |
| demophobia | hmm not seeing that when i right click ... | 05:45 |
| wxl | it's a menu option | 05:46 |
| wxl | oh nevermind | 05:46 |
| wxl | pcmanfm doesn't have it. just pcmanfm-qt | 05:46 |
| wxl | see. told you the new version was better :) | 05:46 |
| demophobia | oh. not seeing it, but i opened it in terminal then sudo rm'd them | 05:46 |
| demophobia | lol <3 | 05:47 |
| demophobia | 'k, well, thanks for the exercise and li'l bit experience in linux (or ubuntu) | 05:47 |
| wxl | np | 05:47 |
| demophobia | thanks for your time | 05:47 |
| wxl | if you've got those things sorted and an upgrade just works, you should be fine | 05:47 |
| demophobia | i guess i'll reinstall from liveDVD -- will it prompt me to erase and overwrite the linux drives only? | 05:47 |
| demophobia | like, it'll clearly say, "overwrite previous linux, leave windows alone", something like that? | 05:48 |
| demophobia | (i've got lubuntu 18.04.1 LTS liveDVD) | 05:48 |
| demophobia | (i verified md5 checksum) | 05:48 |
| wxl | it will ask you want to do and it will point out different partitions and what they are | 05:48 |
| wxl | whether or not it's THAT clear, i don't know XD | 05:48 |
| * demophobia gets nervous | 05:48 | |
| wxl | but it should be fairly obvious i think | 05:48 |
| demophobia | i've had partition-stuff fail during CD installation before | 05:48 |
| demophobia | don't recall if it was mandrake linux or ubuntu | 05:49 |
| wxl | the good news is that if you get there and it's not obvious, then you can back out which is no issue | 05:49 |
| wxl | if you were manual partitioning, i wouldn't be surprised | 05:49 |
| demophobia | why's that? | 05:49 |
| wxl | it's not uncommon for people not well versed with file systems to make mistakes | 05:49 |
| wxl | recently someone tried to do an install and it blew up horribly and it wasn't obvious to me but the problem was he made / too small | 05:50 |
| wxl | had he just used one of the autopartition options, it would have been no problem at all | 05:50 |
| demophobia | / is a) a folder, b) an arm, ... | 05:50 |
| wxl | but he wanted something special, so manual partitioning | 05:50 |
| wxl | / is the root of all your folders | 05:50 |
| demophobia | what d'you think of the advice to install OS in one partition and all your data in another? | 05:51 |
| wxl | i don't think it's a bad idea at all. makes your data more portable | 05:51 |
| demophobia | then you can have multiple OS or reinstall without touching data, they say | 05:51 |
| wxl | in particular, i'd say put $HOME on aa separate partition | 05:51 |
| demophobia | i'm not really sure how to do that -- seems like / holds everything, 'home' goes inside /, but if you partition to put 'home' on a different partition then you'd have two / ... | 05:55 |
| wxl | no | 05:55 |
| demophobia | basically i dunno how the linux filesystem works yet | 05:55 |
| wxl | it's confusing, but no | 05:55 |
| wxl | you're simply "mounting" that partition to that particular location | 05:56 |
| wxl | it's essentially telling the file system that anytime it sees /home it should go looking at the other partition | 05:56 |
| wxl | in much the same way that as a standard set up, everything in / should be looking at the one partition | 05:56 |
| demophobia | i actually think i like the minimalism of lubuntu | 06:01 |
| demophobia | i mean, even if xubuntu had more 'bells and whistles', i think i prefer the aesthetic of simpleness | 06:01 |
| demophobia | oh, right, thanks | 06:01 |
| demophobia | i forgot | 06:01 |
| demophobia | dunno how much i'll remember: i should have gone to bed ... ... 3 hours ago | 06:02 |
| demophobia | peace | 06:02 |
| wxl | i'm not sure it has more bells and whistles for that matter | 06:02 |
| wxl | nite | 06:02 |
| lubot | <Slider1> If i have a partition with win 7 + an aother with his boot loader if i erase the boot loader win can load with only grub ? | 10:53 |
| JadedJ | How can I change the window border size on L-ubuntu? | 11:24 |
| JadedJ | I want to be able to make it easier to resize windows | 11:25 |
| ilyaigpetrov | JadedJ: which Lubuntu, 18.10? | 11:37 |
| JadedJ | Lubuntu 16 LTS | 11:38 |
| lubot | <Slider1> Why speak only the bot (here) ?😂😂 | 11:39 |
| ilyaigpetrov | JadedJ: https://askubuntu.com/questions/833950/size-of-grab-area-for-resizing-window-in-lubuntu | 11:39 |
| ilyaigpetrov | JadedJ: also search with query: lxde resize zone windows | 11:40 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @Slider1 [Why speak only the bot (here) ?😂😂], Because on the other side of that is an IRC channel, just like to them we're a bot, but we're really a Telegram channel. | 11:41 |
| JadedJ | !lxde resize zone windows | 11:42 |
| ubottu | JadedJ: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 11:42 |
| lubot | <Slider1> @Slider1 [If i have a partition with win 7 + an aother with his boot loader if i erase the …], Simon | 11:44 |
| lubot | <Slider1> @tsimonq2 [Because on the other side of that is an IRC channel, just like to them we're a b …], Do you know it | 11:44 |
| ilyaigpetrov | can't find this room via a telegram client -- how is this tg group named? | 11:46 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @ilyaigpetrov [<ilyaigpetrov> can't find this room via a telegram client -- how is this tg grou …], https://telegram.lubuntu.me/support because the real link is hidden | 11:47 |
| lubot | ilyaigpetrov was added by: ilyaigpetrov | 11:47 |
| lubot | <ancha41> Why do i sometimes log in twice on my Lubuntu 18.04? | 11:49 |
| lubot | <ancha41> Instead of once, | 11:49 |
| lubot | <ancha41> Problem on my LightDM? | 11:49 |
| lubot | <Slider1> If i install lubuntu 18.04 what version of grub it will install ? | 11:54 |
| hateball | !info grub-pc bionic | 11:56 |
| ubottu | grub-pc (source: grub2): GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS version). In component main, is optional. Version 2.02-2ubuntu8.6 (bionic), package size 134 kB, installed size 560 kB | 11:56 |
| hateball | hmmm | 11:56 |
| lubot | <ilyaigpetrov> @Slider1 https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=grub&searchon=names&suite=bionic§ion=all | 11:58 |
| lubot | ilyaigpetrov was removed by: ilyaigpetrov | 11:58 |
| ilyaigpetrov | is qlipper installed by default in 18.10? I haven't seen it yesterday in the tray if I recall correctly. | 12:03 |
| ilyaigpetrov | yes, https://manual.lubuntu.me/2/2.4/2.4.5/Qlipper.html | 12:06 |
| lubot | <ancha41> Any solution for my question? | 12:08 |
| ilyaigpetrov | @ancha41: you should try reinstalling some related packages using apt purge to purge the config files | 12:12 |
| ilyaigpetrov | @ancha41: make a backup beforehand if you have something important in the FS | 12:14 |
| lubot | <ancha41> OK i'll try it, and i just searching some related packages | 12:15 |
| lubot | <ancha41> Are LightDM fine? | 12:16 |
| ilyaigpetrov | I don't know | 12:17 |
| lubot | <ancha41> If i purge it, can i reinstall it? | 12:18 |
| lubot | <ancha41> I assume it's LightDM | 12:18 |
| ilyaigpetrov | @ancha41, in the worst case you will have to use one of the virtual terminals and your wifi connection may be lost after purging. It's a risk to end up with a system booted without any graphical shell | 12:21 |
| ilyaigpetrov | in the lucky case graphical shell will be available after purging and you will be able to install it again from it | 12:22 |
| lubot | <ancha41> @ilyaigpetrov [<ilyaigpetrov> @ancha41, in the worst case you will have to use one of the virtu …], That's haunted me lol | 12:23 |
| ilyaigpetrov | @ancha41: if you end up with a virtual terminal without wifi then you may find some internet cord for connecting to the internet because configuring wifi from a terminal is not easy | 12:31 |
| hateball | if you have network-manager it's not that bad, you can use 'nmtui' then | 12:44 |
| lubot | <ancha41> Good news, now it's fine | 12:48 |
| lubot | <ancha41> After purging and reinstalling it, and restart too. Now 's fine | 12:49 |
| SchleimKeim | ilyaigpetrov: wpasupplicant | 12:49 |
| ilyaigpetrov | SchleimKeim: I know, I did this exercise many times but still find that it's not easy | 12:50 |
| SchleimKeim | ilyaigpetrov: i had to learn it the hard way a few days ago. it didn't take me that long to be honest | 12:51 |
| SchleimKeim | (but i kinda new already what to look for ;) ) | 12:51 |
| ilyaigpetrov | SchleimKeim: I can't remember the commands. Every time I'm in need to do it I look up commands via my phone or another notebook. | 12:52 |
| ilyaigpetrov | SchleimKeim: "wpa_passphrase", "wpa_supplicant" -- these names are all I remember not the flags or syntax of the config files | 12:53 |
| lubot | <ancha41> Oh i forgot to thank you, ilyaigpetrov | 12:54 |
| ilyaigpetrov | @ancha41: thanks, you are welcome | 12:54 |
| ilyaigpetrov | @ancha41: did you do it from the graphic shell? I guess after purging it was still usable and you was able to install the needed packages. What were the packages by the way? | 12:56 |
| lubot | <ancha41> No, from terminal | 12:57 |
| lubot | <ancha41> i remember it's: light-locker, lighdm-greeter-gtk-, lightdm-greeter-gtk-settings, lubuntu-gtk-core and lightdm | 12:59 |
| lubot | <ancha41> I decided to using blob in purge | 12:59 |
| lubot | <ancha41> So, i detected that some packages related to LightDM | 13:00 |
| ilyaigpetrov | ok | 13:01 |
| JadedJ | Cheers ilyaigpetrov | 14:45 |
| ilyaigpetrov | JadedJ: cheers | 14:48 |
| ilyaigpetrov | JadedJ: so you solved your border size problem, didn't you? | 14:49 |
| JadedJ | Not yet | 14:49 |
| ilyaigpetrov | JadedJ: why don't you switch to 18.04.1? | 14:52 |
| JadedJ | Because I'm testing an application using 16.X | 14:56 |
| embden | Hello, I want to install lubuntu on my laptop with external monitor, will it work? | 14:57 |
| SchleimKeim | embden: sure, why not? | 15:11 |
| SchleimKeim | depends on your GPU i guess | 15:11 |
| SchleimKeim | but if it's a generic intel laptop GPU, i don't see why not. | 15:11 |
| embden | SchleimKeim: "LXQt treats all monitors as one when painting the desktop background. We plan on solving this in a more native way by the 19.04 release, but in the meantime, Lubuntu contributor Hans P. Möller has written a script which can be used as a workaround for treating all of the backgrounds differently." | 15:12 |
| embden | it's from release announcement | 15:13 |
| SchleimKeim | ok. how about you boot the live dvd and see if it works? :) | 15:13 |
| SchleimKeim | /me is new to lubuntu | 15:13 |
| embden | SchleimKeim: thanks, maybe I'll try | 15:14 |
| ShellcatZero | Congrats on the LXQt release in 18.10! When do such changes get pushed out to the 18.04 release? Just curious. | 16:00 |
| wxl | lxqt to 18.04? never | 16:01 |
| wxl | i mean, the lxqt packages are there but they won't be part of lubuntu | 16:01 |
| wxl | and they're not as stable as the ones in 18.10 | 16:01 |
| wxl | oh and at least some of the packages aren't available at all. i packaged trojita for teh first time in 18.10 | 16:02 |
| ShellcatZero | I thought that eventually these get ported back to the LTS, no? | 16:03 |
| wxl | nope | 16:03 |
| ShellcatZero | wow, ok | 16:04 |
| wxl | the first lxqt lts will be 20.04 | 16:04 |
| ShellcatZero | is it possible to add something like a LXQt ppa to 18.04 to keep up with the latest version? I usually presume the latest version is the more stable one, would that be correct? | 16:06 |
| wxl | if you want lxqt, i'd do a fresh install of 18.10. even if we did have all the 18.10 versions available for 18.04, there would be a lot of work necessary to make it easy to swap between the two or replace one with the other | 16:07 |
| wxl | lubuntu is not the desktop environment. it's the desktop environment plus default settings and a variety of packages. ALL of those things changed between 18.04 and 18.10 | 16:07 |
| ShellcatZero | hmm, got it, I'm thinking I might just go with 18.04 server and add a LXQt ppa to stay on the latest version | 16:10 |
| wxl | well, there isn't going to be one.......... | 16:10 |
| ShellcatZero | ah, I thought I saw one, but it's really old, lol | 16:11 |
| sappheiros | wxl reinstalling from liveDVD was definitely the right choice -- i see now that in fact my previous attempt to upgrade was unfinished, so i basically was using a hybrid mix of 16.04 and 18.04 -- with the 16.04 display ... this new 18.04 is cleaner, looks in fact like ubuntu (rather than lubuntu) | 17:48 |
| wxl | sappheiros: 18.04 lubuntu pretty much looks like every lubuntu before it. you sure you didn't install ubuntu? | 17:49 |
| sappheiros | lol i give up | 17:50 |
| sappheiros | anyway, i'm happy i reinstalled the OS | 17:50 |
| sappheiros | well | 17:50 |
| wxl | ok | 17:50 |
| sappheiros | login splash screen does say 'lubuntu' | 17:50 |
| sappheiros | maybe my lubuntu installation was screwy from the beginning ... | 17:50 |
| wxl | if you didn't check the hashes, that's possible | 17:51 |
| sappheiros | why's it called LXTerminal instead of simply Terminal? | 17:52 |
| sappheiros | (i recall in ubuntu it's 'Terminal') | 17:52 |
| wxl | because... it's... part... of.. the... lxde.. project | 17:52 |
| wxl | just like lxpanel | 17:52 |
| wxl | and lx every other thing under the sun (except for pcmanfm and openbox) | 17:52 |
| sappheiros | so the 'LX' is basically decorative like "don't forget we built this"? | 17:53 |
| sappheiros | why isn't ubuntu's main release's terminal called 'UTerminal' then? :P | 17:53 |
| sappheiros | or ... i dunno | 17:53 |
| wxl | well there are a TON of terminal programs | 17:54 |
| wxl | let's imagine they were all titled "terminal" | 17:54 |
| wxl | and you installed more than one | 17:54 |
| wxl | how would you know which one is which? | 17:54 |
| lubot | <marneu> Ubuntu's main terminal is actually Gnome terminal, and Gnome has that weird habit of omitting the "Gnome" part. | 17:56 |
| lubot | <marneu> And KDE just looks for ways to fit a 'K' into the name, so they named their terminal "Konsole" :D | 17:57 |
| sappheiros | oh, thank you | 18:03 |
| sappheiros | how come marneu is talking through lubot instead of in channel? | 18:03 |
| wxl | telegram bridge | 18:03 |
| sappheiros | list of stuff i don't know about +1 | 18:03 |
| sappheiros | i thought telegram was a smartphone app | 18:04 |
| wxl | it's a smartphone and desktop app | 18:04 |
| sappheiros | interesting | 18:04 |
| sappheiros | does that mean his connection's encrypted? | 18:04 |
| wxl | telegram does have encryption, yes | 18:04 |
| wxl | but that may not be the question you're asking | 18:04 |
| sappheiros | i can't figure out how to annotate in Document Viewer ... | 18:06 |
| sappheiros | clicking 'help' likewise didn't seem to do anything | 18:07 |
| sappheiros | Evince / Document Viewer seems too glitchy, annotations just don't work right | 18:12 |
| wxl | might be the particular pdf too | 18:13 |
| sappheiros | thanks for the reminder | 18:15 |
| sappheiros | trying to use default software, pidgin seems quite limited for IRC | 18:16 |
| wxl | sadly pdfs have a very particular specification but a lot of common pdf software creates pdfs that aren't valid according to that specification. of course, open source developers use that specification to create their software, so... blah | 18:16 |
| wxl | yeah. i know. i'd use irssi if i were you. irc belongs in text. | 18:16 |
| sappheiros | does http://ewtn.com/multimedia/live_player.asp?sat=radioe work for you? youtube is playing, but this radio stream is not | 18:17 |
| wxl | not on 18.04 right now | 18:17 |
| sappheiros | music.amazon.com is working | 18:20 |
| sappheiros | (thanks parents) | 18:20 |
| sappheiros | i guess it's an EWTN website problem | 18:20 |
| wxl | it probably needs to use flash XD | 18:21 |
| sappheiros | whelp, got my computer sorted, guess that means i need to get to work now ... | 18:21 |
| sappheiros | any advice regarding this terminal error? | 18:23 |
| sappheiros | > (/usr/lib/firefox/firefox:2834): dconf-WARNING **: 14:18:51.990: Unable to open /var/lib/menu-xdg/dconf/profile/user: Permission denied | 18:23 |
| sappheiros | i dunno what caused it | 18:23 |
| wxl | probably irrelevant | 18:24 |
| wxl | warnings usually are | 18:24 |
| wxl | errors are what you need to worry about | 18:24 |
| sappheiros | 'k thanks | 18:25 |
| wxl | smoe apps are particularly noisy | 18:25 |
| wxl | (most gtk apps for example) | 18:25 |
| sappheiros | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard internal server error | 18:26 |
| wxl | then that's a problem with the ubuntu servers, not a lubuntu problem | 18:26 |
| sappheiros | are you suggesting gtk apps are not well-built? | 18:26 |
| wxl | you can report that at #canonical-syadmin | 18:26 |
| wxl | but to be honest it's a common problem with the wiki :( | 18:27 |
| wxl | um i don't know if that makes them not well-built | 18:27 |
| sappheiros | d'you know a list of keyboard shortcuts? | 18:43 |
| sappheiros | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard is working again | 18:43 |
| sappheiros | isn't Supre key the windows key? it's not working ... | 18:44 |
| sappheiros | i just found lxhotkey | 18:45 |
| sappheiros | the list at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard is incorrect. how can i fix it? | 18:46 |
| sappheiros | e.g. Super+1 and Super+2 are incorrect | 18:46 |
| wxl | do you have a launchpad account? | 18:46 |
| sappheiros | yes | 18:46 |
| sappheiros | oh i see | 18:46 |
| sappheiros | thanks | 18:46 |
| embden | sappheiros: I also would like to propose to rename menu entries. Right now, there are entries with app names and when you place a mouse on top them you can see what it is. I think that it would be more comfortable to put app type like "Terminal" and make hint to be it's name like "qterminal" and maybe after some delay +short description. Because users look for an arnchiever not for Ark. I can even see a workarounds - PCManFMQt has an addition "File Manager | 18:47 |
| embden | ". Otherwise, users never find a file manager. | 18:47 |
| wxl | embden: you're talking about 18.10 and sappheiros 18.04. different. | 18:48 |
| embden | wxl: the problem still does exist. | 18:48 |
| lubot | <Slider1> I have installed lubuntu 18.04 but i can't install other softwere for example if i type : ... Sudo apt-get install gparted ... It doesn't work .the error is like at no connection but if i search something on web it works | 18:48 |
| wxl | embden: on lubuntu. | 18:49 |
| wxl | i mean 18.10 | 18:49 |
| wxl | not 18.04 | 18:49 |
| wxl | @Slider1 try `sudo apt update` first | 18:49 |
| wxl | if it's a fresh install, that's a thing | 18:49 |
| embden | wxl: I understand. | 18:49 |
| lubot | <Slider1> @wxl [<wxl> @Slider1 try `sudo apt update` first], It's automatically update at 18.10 ,isn't it ? | 18:51 |
| sappheiros | > Your request to join Ubuntu Wiki Editors is awaiting approval. | 18:51 |
| wxl | let me fix that sappheiros | 18:51 |
| wxl | @Slider1 no. and you should ALWAYS update before doing anything with apt. | 18:51 |
| sappheiros | uh oh | 18:51 |
| sappheiros | all the desktops are showing the same apps in the taskbar :( | 18:51 |
| lubot | <Slider1> @wxl [<wxl> @Slider1 no. and you should ALWAYS update before doing anything with apt.], Ok thanks i'll try it | 18:52 |
| sappheiros | don't see a way to change that in Desktop Preferences | 18:53 |
| wxl | taskbar settings i believe | 18:53 |
| sappheiros | don't see how to edit taskbar settings ... | 18:54 |
| sappheiros | found it | 18:57 |
| wxl | good cuz i had to remind myself whilst doing a bunch of other stuff and hadn't got to it yet XD | 18:57 |
| wxl | are you ~ubuntuuser1? | 18:57 |
| kalock | hi all, would like to switch to whisker menu from the default lubuntu menu, but i am not sure how to tell the system to use Whisker now that it is installed. could anyone point me in the right direction? | 19:26 |
| wxl | kalock: on 18.04? | 19:29 |
| kalock | yes! | 19:33 |
| wxl | yeah. unfortunately, you probably won't be able to get it to work | 19:33 |
| wxl | the menu in lxpanel is an lxpanel plugin | 19:33 |
| wxl | similarly the whisker menu is an xfce(4?)panel plugin | 19:33 |
| wxl | so you could replace lxpanel with xfce(whatever)panel | 19:34 |
| kalock | ok, i think that is what i am needing to do. is there config somewhere to switch that panel? | 19:34 |
| wxl | you'd have to install it first and then in lxsession default apps change the value of the panel/command | 19:36 |
| wxl | may need to tweak panel/session, too | 19:36 |
| kalock | i see, thanks. maybe i'll just install xubuntu for this user to make it easier on them hehe | 19:37 |
| kalock | thank you | 19:37 |
| wxl | np | 19:37 |
| saptech | does lubuntu have their own forum? | 19:49 |
| teward | saptech: doesn't look like there's a *dedicated* forum, no. https://lubuntu.me/links/ is all the available support mechanisms | 19:53 |
| saptech | ok, thanks | 19:54 |
| saptech | i was trying to read if people are having issues upgrading from the past current version to 18.10 | 19:58 |
| saptech | I really like lxde but willing to try lxqt | 19:58 |
| wxl | it's not easy, saptech | 20:09 |
| wxl | did you read the release notes? | 20:09 |
| lubot | nik1toz was added by: nik1toz | 20:12 |
| saptech | wxl, yes I read it and saw the link on upgrading...doesn't seem bad | 20:15 |
| lubot | <bonacin91> where's the keyboard mapping file? | 21:31 |
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