[04:50] Hey guys and girls. I installed 18.10 testing image a week ago. Will my system update to new developments in 18.10 or do I need to reinstall? [04:50] it'll update [04:50] Thanks [04:50] well, as long as you run the updates.. or set up unattended-upgrades [04:51] admittedly you won't see much change for a little while [04:51] at the end of the cycle everyone wants to just take a break :) [04:51] Well done though. Things look nice. [04:52] yay thanks :) [04:52] aren't you the person who contributed some last minute changes to the manual? [04:52] Yes. [04:52] thank you!!!! [04:53] we can always use more folks on the documenation team, if you're looking for something to do :) [04:53] Yeah I really enjoy the distro. I'll help out whenever I have the time. [04:54] cool. if you're looking for something new to do, we can always make suggestions, too (and free training!) [04:54] I don't know how formal the team is but I can commit about an hour most days. [04:54] i'd sit around #lubuntu-devel if i were you [04:55] oh we're not super formal at all. i mean there's a couple of us who i'd say are sort of responsible for ensuring this or that happens but mostly it's just nice people doing what they can when they can [04:56] Great stuff. I've been commiting changes with no effort and people have been merging when they have time so I figured that's how things go. [04:56] Thanks though. I'll probably be in touch [04:57] hey [04:57] pretty much. i think you're doing stuff on github which requires a little extra magic on our end. if you want to know the canonical way, we could teach you that [04:57] ta csteed :) [04:57] why lubuntu rather than xubuntu, if you have 1.66 GHz CPU and 2 GB RAM? [04:57] yo demophobia [04:57] cuz it's better? :) [04:57] i'm using lubuntu but looking at xubuntu i wonder if i'm cheating myself if it uses only a little more and ... well ... [04:57] what do you think you're missing? [04:58] why is lubuntu better than wxl if you have 2 GB RAM and 1.66 GHz CPU? i'm thinking i'm missing a prettier OS with a bit more functionality (e.g. search bar in start menu) [04:58] *better than xubuntu [04:58] the better was a joke. the question of which distro is best is about as valid as which text editor is best or which pizza is best for that matter. [04:59] ;_; [04:59] isn't it better to use a computer more to its capacity? [04:59] similarly prettier is something you'll have to judge for yourself [04:59] have you tried both? [04:59] 18.10's menu does have a search though [04:59] and a launcher [04:59] i haven't used xubuntu in a while [04:59] is lubuntu switching from lxde to Qt? [04:59] are those two different things? [04:59] we already did [04:59] 18.10 [05:00] i've got lubuntu 18.04.1 LTS [05:00] i'm new so i figured i should go with LTS [05:00] Yes [05:01] that's reasonable, but a word of warning: upgrading to 18.10 or even 20.04 (the next LTS) will not be easy [05:01] why Qt rather than Xfce? [05:01] wxl, why's that? [05:01] not simply copying data files to hard drive and reinstalling? does grub have to change? (i have dual boot with win7) [05:01] I suggest you stick with 18.04 and install a search app, try synapse. It searches for files and applications [05:02] xfce is not a graphics toolkit. it's a desktop environment. your question may be why qt rather than gtk, in which case the answer is that qt is much easier to work with [05:02] LXDE is very fast, and similar to XP-style, that is what attracted me to it. [05:02] i read some pages about lubuntu vs xubuntu [05:02] 18.10 is COMPLETELY different. every single piece changes. so you can't really upgrade. i mean, you can, but you basically end up with the new version of the old lubuntu plus the new version of the new lubuntu [05:02] the consensus seemed to be, "use lubuntu for limited computers; xubuntu is a bit nicer if you have a bit more RAM" [05:03] yeah and lxqt is a lot more modern, so that comparison starts to breakdown [05:03] i'm wondering why someone would want to use lubuntu rather than xubuntu even if they had a computer able to run xubuntu [05:03] lubuntu has also stopped focusing SOLELY on keeping things lightweight at all costs. practicality is something we consider now too XD [05:03] right, so then why not just merge with xubuntu [05:03] we're still the lightest thing out there, though [05:04] because qt and gtk are completely incompatible [05:04] i found a page that recommended 'Puppy Linux' rather than lubuntu [05:04] not to mention the two desktop environments are completely different [05:04] omg please hear me now: never ever ever ever use puppy linux [05:04] i mean, it listed "the five most lightweight" (or 5 best or something) and it listed Puppy Linux instead of lubuntu [05:04] why, what's wrong with that distro? [05:04] Puppy is not user friendly. [05:04] puppy is maybe best considered a tool rather than an actual operating system [05:04] o_o [05:05] it's insanely cobbled together [05:05] that's unfortunate [05:05] there is really no distro i will say demeaning things about (although there are those that i'd advise against), but puppy is the exception === csteed is now known as Steedalion [05:05] so you like lubuntu simply because it's more lightweight than xubuntu? [05:06] and in that case, if i'm lagging occasionally with lubuntu (e.g. webpages) then i definitely should not try xubuntu? [05:06] i mainly like lubuntu because it's simple. our philosophy is to "not get in the way" [05:06] the modern web is a demanding thing.... [05:07] i doubt xubuntu will prove to be dramatically different, but it will use a bit more resources [05:07] but if you're struggling, i wouldn't bother [05:08] if you really want to push things, you could just use the netinstall image to install ubuntu-core and build up a completely minimal x environment with e.g. openbox or fluxbox as a window manager. bolt on only the pieces you need from there. [05:14] i don't have the time to learn all that ... i'm trying already to get the community's help to sort out the few issues i do have [05:14] that are i think far more simple [05:14] then i'd stick with what you've got [05:14] btw what are those issues? [05:14] please see https://askubuntu.com/questions/1085983/how-to-fix-other-software-listing-duplicate-entries [05:15] i haven't asked about this yet, but clicking my keyboard icon in the bottom right to try to switch to japanese keyboard also crashed my computer 1-2 days ago [05:15] this is your question? [05:15] it's one issue i came across, yes (the keyboard freezing my desktop environment(?) was another) [05:16] another is radiotray's error messages when opening via terminal [05:16] my question is whether or not this question on askubuntu was asked by you or if this describes an issue you're having [05:16] oh [05:17] does the distinction matter? >_> it is an issue i'm having [05:17] yes, it does [05:17] which duplicate entries do you see? [05:17] ... the ones in that screenshot `-` [05:18] so this is your question? jeez [05:18] sorry [05:18] like pulling teeth over here [05:18] double sorry [05:18] what's this braave browser business? [05:18] i gave up on that. 32-bit only for linux, the website didn't make that clear [05:18] *64-bit only [05:18] i'd probably start by deleting those [05:19] i did already [05:21] pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list [05:21] also the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list.d [05:21] you can use the pastebinit package for this [05:21] like `pastebinit -i /etc/apt/sources.list` and `ls -alh /etc/apt/source.list.d | pastebinit` [05:25] https://pastebin.com/ypkMDRG2 [05:26] oh wow [05:27] you said you were on 18.04 but this is clearly 16.04 [05:27] you might want to confirm that with lsb_release -a [05:28] but yet you have bionic repos enabled [05:29] oh ... so the update failed then ... i did get a message that it had failed, but it looked like it succeeded in other ways, e.g. the computer tells me it's 18.04 [05:29] at the very end it said it failed, after it had gone through the entire installation [05:29] so then i should just do a reinstallation? ... [05:29] i'm afraid of messing up grub and losing my win7 'cause i bought this from amazon and they wouldn't give me the windows license [05:30] it's an OEM enterprise win7 installation or something (dell) that i dualbooted installing 16.04 a while back [05:30] well even if you mess up grub it's not going to remove windows [05:30] that said, usually it's best when you run into errors to make note of the exact nature of those errors… otherwise it's hard to tell you how to fix it [05:31] does say 18.04 https://pastebin.com/75wx6yLG [05:31] that said i have no clue what happened [05:31] oh, i took photos [05:31] i can say exactly [05:31] so i'd replace xenial with bionic on your sources.list [05:31] was there nothing in /etc/apt/sources.list.d?/ [05:31] first, i had to reset my password via the recovery root method described on askubuntu to login [05:32] then, i tried to ... well, i'm suddenly thinking i shoudl go to bed [05:32] Could not install 'doc-base' was the first error during the upgrade [05:32] did it say why? [05:32] Installed doc-base package post-installation script subprocess returned error exist status 10 [05:32] *exit [05:33] can you send that pic? [05:33] that includes that part? [05:34] 'k ... i'll send it then go to bed if that's all right -- is it useful for your development of the OS? or are you only asking for it to help me personally now? [05:34] i was only ever asking for your help [05:36] oh. well, i'm getting the pic now but it only says what i typed [05:38] is there a preferred method for sending/uploading photos? i could log into imgur but it'd take more time to find my login info [05:38] but ... [05:38] does an upgrade work? [05:38] it says i already have the latest software [05:38] share.riseup.net works fine [05:38] did you replace xenial with bionic in your sources.list? [05:39] not yet [05:39] do that and then try to do an upgrade [05:39] also you never told me about /etc/apt/sources.list.d [05:39] https://share.riseup.net/#aM0YcZjsUy-YqA3eT3Savw [05:40] oh, right. this wasn't a do-release-upgrade. bummer. [05:41] i made a liveDVD. should i copy my documents to USB and then reinstall from liveDVD? [05:41] but i tried to upgrade from downloading [05:41] well that would absolutely remove any other concerns [05:41] i wonder if the problem was a download error: i tried to download from japanese servers, i think (because i was in japan back in the day) [05:41] i'd say it'd be a good idea. [05:41] from another country [05:42] otherwise i can work to help you with that [05:43] https://pastebin.com/ixhkE3xh [05:43] Mahdis was removed by: Mahdis [05:43] shouldn't i delete those brave-browser files since i can't install the software on this computer? [05:43] yep [05:44] should i leave the folder in case of future use? [05:44] i would [05:44] permission denied to delete it via the GUI [05:44] i guess i need to sudo rm it? [05:44] yep [05:45] or use the open folder as root option in pcmanfm [05:45] hmm not seeing that when i right click ... [05:46] it's a menu option [05:46] oh nevermind [05:46] pcmanfm doesn't have it. just pcmanfm-qt [05:46] see. told you the new version was better :) [05:46] oh. not seeing it, but i opened it in terminal then sudo rm'd them [05:47] lol <3 [05:47] 'k, well, thanks for the exercise and li'l bit experience in linux (or ubuntu) [05:47] np [05:47] thanks for your time [05:47] if you've got those things sorted and an upgrade just works, you should be fine [05:47] i guess i'll reinstall from liveDVD -- will it prompt me to erase and overwrite the linux drives only? [05:48] like, it'll clearly say, "overwrite previous linux, leave windows alone", something like that? [05:48] (i've got lubuntu 18.04.1 LTS liveDVD) [05:48] (i verified md5 checksum) [05:48] it will ask you want to do and it will point out different partitions and what they are [05:48] whether or not it's THAT clear, i don't know XD [05:48] * demophobia gets nervous [05:48] but it should be fairly obvious i think [05:48] i've had partition-stuff fail during CD installation before [05:49] don't recall if it was mandrake linux or ubuntu [05:49] the good news is that if you get there and it's not obvious, then you can back out which is no issue [05:49] if you were manual partitioning, i wouldn't be surprised [05:49] why's that? [05:49] it's not uncommon for people not well versed with file systems to make mistakes [05:50] recently someone tried to do an install and it blew up horribly and it wasn't obvious to me but the problem was he made / too small [05:50] had he just used one of the autopartition options, it would have been no problem at all [05:50] / is a) a folder, b) an arm, ... [05:50] but he wanted something special, so manual partitioning [05:50] / is the root of all your folders [05:51] what d'you think of the advice to install OS in one partition and all your data in another? [05:51] i don't think it's a bad idea at all. makes your data more portable [05:51] then you can have multiple OS or reinstall without touching data, they say [05:51] in particular, i'd say put $HOME on aa separate partition [05:55] i'm not really sure how to do that -- seems like / holds everything, 'home' goes inside /, but if you partition to put 'home' on a different partition then you'd have two / ... [05:55] no [05:55] basically i dunno how the linux filesystem works yet [05:55] it's confusing, but no [05:56] you're simply "mounting" that partition to that particular location [05:56] it's essentially telling the file system that anytime it sees /home it should go looking at the other partition [05:56] in much the same way that as a standard set up, everything in / should be looking at the one partition [06:01] i actually think i like the minimalism of lubuntu [06:01] i mean, even if xubuntu had more 'bells and whistles', i think i prefer the aesthetic of simpleness [06:01] oh, right, thanks [06:01] i forgot [06:02] dunno how much i'll remember: i should have gone to bed ... ... 3 hours ago [06:02] peace [06:02] i'm not sure it has more bells and whistles for that matter [06:02] nite [10:53] If i have a partition with win 7 + an aother with his boot loader if i erase the boot loader win can load with only grub ? [11:24] How can I change the window border size on L-ubuntu? [11:25] I want to be able to make it easier to resize windows [11:37] JadedJ: which Lubuntu, 18.10? [11:38] Lubuntu 16 LTS [11:39] Why speak only the bot (here) ?😂😂 [11:39] JadedJ: https://askubuntu.com/questions/833950/size-of-grab-area-for-resizing-window-in-lubuntu [11:40] JadedJ: also search with query: lxde resize zone windows [11:41] @Slider1 [Why speak only the bot (here) ?😂😂], Because on the other side of that is an IRC channel, just like to them we're a bot, but we're really a Telegram channel. [11:42] !lxde resize zone windows [11:42] JadedJ: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [11:44] @Slider1 [If i have a partition with win 7 + an aother with his boot loader if i erase the …], Simon [11:44] @tsimonq2 [Because on the other side of that is an IRC channel, just like to them we're a b …], Do you know it [11:46] can't find this room via a telegram client -- how is this tg group named? [11:47] @ilyaigpetrov [ can't find this room via a telegram client -- how is this tg grou …], https://telegram.lubuntu.me/support because the real link is hidden [11:47] ilyaigpetrov was added by: ilyaigpetrov [11:49] Why do i sometimes log in twice on my Lubuntu 18.04? [11:49] Instead of once, [11:49] Problem on my LightDM? [11:54] If i install lubuntu 18.04 what version of grub it will install ? [11:56] !info grub-pc bionic [11:56] grub-pc (source: grub2): GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS version). In component main, is optional. Version 2.02-2ubuntu8.6 (bionic), package size 134 kB, installed size 560 kB [11:56] hmmm [11:58] @Slider1 https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=grub&searchon=names&suite=bionic§ion=all [11:58] ilyaigpetrov was removed by: ilyaigpetrov [12:03] is qlipper installed by default in 18.10? I haven't seen it yesterday in the tray if I recall correctly. [12:06] yes, https://manual.lubuntu.me/2/2.4/2.4.5/Qlipper.html [12:08] Any solution for my question? [12:12] @ancha41: you should try reinstalling some related packages using apt purge to purge the config files [12:14] @ancha41: make a backup beforehand if you have something important in the FS [12:15] OK i'll try it, and i just searching some related packages [12:16] Are LightDM fine? [12:17] I don't know [12:18] If i purge it, can i reinstall it? [12:18] I assume it's LightDM [12:21] @ancha41, in the worst case you will have to use one of the virtual terminals and your wifi connection may be lost after purging. It's a risk to end up with a system booted without any graphical shell [12:22] in the lucky case graphical shell will be available after purging and you will be able to install it again from it [12:23] @ilyaigpetrov [ @ancha41, in the worst case you will have to use one of the virtu …], That's haunted me lol [12:31] @ancha41: if you end up with a virtual terminal without wifi then you may find some internet cord for connecting to the internet because configuring wifi from a terminal is not easy [12:44] if you have network-manager it's not that bad, you can use 'nmtui' then [12:48] Good news, now it's fine [12:49] After purging and reinstalling it, and restart too. Now 's fine [12:49] ilyaigpetrov: wpasupplicant [12:50] SchleimKeim: I know, I did this exercise many times but still find that it's not easy [12:51] ilyaigpetrov: i had to learn it the hard way a few days ago. it didn't take me that long to be honest [12:51] (but i kinda new already what to look for ;) ) [12:52] SchleimKeim: I can't remember the commands. Every time I'm in need to do it I look up commands via my phone or another notebook. [12:53] SchleimKeim: "wpa_passphrase", "wpa_supplicant" -- these names are all I remember not the flags or syntax of the config files [12:54] Oh i forgot to thank you, ilyaigpetrov [12:54] @ancha41: thanks, you are welcome [12:56] @ancha41: did you do it from the graphic shell? I guess after purging it was still usable and you was able to install the needed packages. What were the packages by the way? [12:57] No, from terminal [12:59] i remember it's: light-locker, lighdm-greeter-gtk-, lightdm-greeter-gtk-settings, lubuntu-gtk-core and lightdm [12:59] I decided to using blob in purge [13:00] So, i detected that some packages related to LightDM [13:01] ok [14:45] Cheers ilyaigpetrov [14:48] JadedJ: cheers [14:49] JadedJ: so you solved your border size problem, didn't you? [14:49] Not yet [14:52] JadedJ: why don't you switch to 18.04.1? [14:56] Because I'm testing an application using 16.X [14:57] Hello, I want to install lubuntu on my laptop with external monitor, will it work? [15:11] embden: sure, why not? [15:11] depends on your GPU i guess [15:11] but if it's a generic intel laptop GPU, i don't see why not. [15:12] SchleimKeim: "LXQt treats all monitors as one when painting the desktop background. We plan on solving this in a more native way by the 19.04 release, but in the meantime, Lubuntu contributor Hans P. Möller has written a script which can be used as a workaround for treating all of the backgrounds differently." [15:13] it's from release announcement [15:13] ok. how about you boot the live dvd and see if it works? :) [15:13] /me is new to lubuntu [15:14] SchleimKeim: thanks, maybe I'll try [16:00] Congrats on the LXQt release in 18.10! When do such changes get pushed out to the 18.04 release? Just curious. [16:01] lxqt to 18.04? never [16:01] i mean, the lxqt packages are there but they won't be part of lubuntu [16:01] and they're not as stable as the ones in 18.10 [16:02] oh and at least some of the packages aren't available at all. i packaged trojita for teh first time in 18.10 [16:03] I thought that eventually these get ported back to the LTS, no? [16:03] nope [16:04] wow, ok [16:04] the first lxqt lts will be 20.04 [16:06] is it possible to add something like a LXQt ppa to 18.04 to keep up with the latest version? I usually presume the latest version is the more stable one, would that be correct? [16:07] if you want lxqt, i'd do a fresh install of 18.10. even if we did have all the 18.10 versions available for 18.04, there would be a lot of work necessary to make it easy to swap between the two or replace one with the other [16:07] lubuntu is not the desktop environment. it's the desktop environment plus default settings and a variety of packages. ALL of those things changed between 18.04 and 18.10 [16:10] hmm, got it, I'm thinking I might just go with 18.04 server and add a LXQt ppa to stay on the latest version [16:10] well, there isn't going to be one.......... [16:11] ah, I thought I saw one, but it's really old, lol [17:48] wxl reinstalling from liveDVD was definitely the right choice -- i see now that in fact my previous attempt to upgrade was unfinished, so i basically was using a hybrid mix of 16.04 and 18.04 -- with the 16.04 display ... this new 18.04 is cleaner, looks in fact like ubuntu (rather than lubuntu) [17:49] sappheiros: 18.04 lubuntu pretty much looks like every lubuntu before it. you sure you didn't install ubuntu? [17:50] lol i give up [17:50] anyway, i'm happy i reinstalled the OS [17:50] well [17:50] ok [17:50] login splash screen does say 'lubuntu' [17:50] maybe my lubuntu installation was screwy from the beginning ... [17:51] if you didn't check the hashes, that's possible [17:52] why's it called LXTerminal instead of simply Terminal? [17:52] (i recall in ubuntu it's 'Terminal') [17:52] because... it's... part... of.. the... lxde.. project [17:52] just like lxpanel [17:52] and lx every other thing under the sun (except for pcmanfm and openbox) [17:53] so the 'LX' is basically decorative like "don't forget we built this"? [17:53] why isn't ubuntu's main release's terminal called 'UTerminal' then? :P [17:53] or ... i dunno [17:54] well there are a TON of terminal programs [17:54] let's imagine they were all titled "terminal" [17:54] and you installed more than one [17:54] how would you know which one is which? [17:56] Ubuntu's main terminal is actually Gnome terminal, and Gnome has that weird habit of omitting the "Gnome" part. [17:57] And KDE just looks for ways to fit a 'K' into the name, so they named their terminal "Konsole" :D [18:03] oh, thank you [18:03] how come marneu is talking through lubot instead of in channel? [18:03] telegram bridge [18:03] list of stuff i don't know about +1 [18:04] i thought telegram was a smartphone app [18:04] it's a smartphone and desktop app [18:04] interesting [18:04] does that mean his connection's encrypted? [18:04] telegram does have encryption, yes [18:04] but that may not be the question you're asking [18:06] i can't figure out how to annotate in Document Viewer ... [18:07] clicking 'help' likewise didn't seem to do anything [18:12] Evince / Document Viewer seems too glitchy, annotations just don't work right [18:13] might be the particular pdf too [18:15] thanks for the reminder [18:16] trying to use default software, pidgin seems quite limited for IRC [18:16] sadly pdfs have a very particular specification but a lot of common pdf software creates pdfs that aren't valid according to that specification. of course, open source developers use that specification to create their software, so... blah [18:16] yeah. i know. i'd use irssi if i were you. irc belongs in text. [18:17] does http://ewtn.com/multimedia/live_player.asp?sat=radioe work for you? youtube is playing, but this radio stream is not [18:17] not on 18.04 right now [18:20] music.amazon.com is working [18:20] (thanks parents) [18:20] i guess it's an EWTN website problem [18:21] it probably needs to use flash XD [18:21] whelp, got my computer sorted, guess that means i need to get to work now ... [18:23] any advice regarding this terminal error? [18:23] > (/usr/lib/firefox/firefox:2834): dconf-WARNING **: 14:18:51.990: Unable to open /var/lib/menu-xdg/dconf/profile/user: Permission denied [18:23] i dunno what caused it [18:24] probably irrelevant [18:24] warnings usually are [18:24] errors are what you need to worry about [18:25] 'k thanks [18:25] smoe apps are particularly noisy [18:25] (most gtk apps for example) [18:26] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard internal server error [18:26] then that's a problem with the ubuntu servers, not a lubuntu problem [18:26] are you suggesting gtk apps are not well-built? [18:26] you can report that at #canonical-syadmin [18:27] but to be honest it's a common problem with the wiki :( [18:27] um i don't know if that makes them not well-built [18:43] d'you know a list of keyboard shortcuts? [18:43] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard is working again [18:44] isn't Supre key the windows key? it's not working ... [18:45] i just found lxhotkey [18:46] the list at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard is incorrect. how can i fix it? [18:46] e.g. Super+1 and Super+2 are incorrect [18:46] do you have a launchpad account? [18:46] yes [18:46] oh i see [18:46] thanks [18:47] sappheiros: I also would like to propose to rename menu entries. Right now, there are entries with app names and when you place a mouse on top them you can see what it is. I think that it would be more comfortable to put app type like "Terminal" and make hint to be it's name like "qterminal" and maybe after some delay +short description. Because users look for an arnchiever not for Ark. I can even see a workarounds - PCManFMQt has an addition "File Manager [18:47] ". Otherwise, users never find a file manager. [18:48]