[04:50] <csteed> Hey guys and girls. I installed 18.10 testing image a week ago. Will my system update to new developments in 18.10 or do I need to reinstall?
[04:50] <wxl> it'll update
[04:50] <csteed> Thanks
[04:50] <wxl> well, as long as you run the updates.. or set up unattended-upgrades
[04:51] <wxl> admittedly you won't see much change for a little while
[04:51] <wxl> at the end of the cycle everyone wants to just take a break :)
[04:51] <csteed> Well done though. Things look nice.
[04:52] <wxl> yay thanks :)
[04:52] <wxl> aren't you the person who contributed some last minute changes to the manual?
[04:52] <csteed> Yes.
[04:52] <wxl> thank you!!!!
[04:53] <wxl> we can always use more folks on the documenation team, if you're looking for something to do :)
[04:53] <csteed> Yeah I really enjoy the distro. I'll help out whenever I have the time.
[04:54] <wxl> cool. if you're looking for something new to do, we can always make suggestions, too (and free training!)
[04:54] <csteed> I don't know how formal the team is but I can commit about an hour most days.
[04:54] <wxl> i'd sit around #lubuntu-devel if i were you
[04:55] <wxl> oh we're not super formal at all. i mean there's a couple of us who i'd say are sort of responsible for ensuring this or that happens but mostly it's just nice people doing what they can when they can
[04:56] <csteed> Great stuff. I've been commiting changes with no effort and people have been merging when they have time so I figured that's how things go.
[04:56] <csteed> Thanks though. I'll probably be in touch
[04:57] <demophobia> hey
[04:57] <wxl> pretty much. i think you're doing stuff on github which requires a little extra magic on our end. if you want to know the canonical way, we could teach you that
[04:57] <wxl> ta csteed :)
[04:57] <demophobia> why lubuntu rather than xubuntu, if you have 1.66 GHz CPU and 2 GB RAM?
[04:57] <wxl> yo demophobia
[04:57] <wxl> cuz it's better? :)
[04:57] <demophobia> i'm using lubuntu but looking at xubuntu i wonder if i'm cheating myself if it uses only a little more and ... well ...
[04:57] <wxl> what do you think you're missing?
[04:58] <demophobia> why is lubuntu better than wxl if you have 2 GB RAM and 1.66 GHz CPU? i'm thinking i'm missing a prettier OS with a bit more functionality (e.g. search bar in start menu)
[04:58] <demophobia> *better than xubuntu
[04:58] <wxl> the better was a joke. the question of which distro is best is about as valid as which text editor is best or which pizza is best for that matter.
[04:59] <demophobia> ;_;
[04:59] <demophobia> isn't it better to use a computer more to its capacity?
[04:59] <wxl> similarly prettier is something you'll have to judge for yourself
[04:59] <demophobia> have you tried both?
[04:59] <wxl> 18.10's menu does have a search though
[04:59] <wxl> and a launcher
[04:59] <wxl> i haven't used xubuntu in a while
[04:59] <demophobia> is lubuntu switching from lxde to Qt?
[04:59] <demophobia> are those two different things?
[04:59] <wxl> we already did
[04:59] <wxl> 18.10
[05:00] <demophobia> i've got lubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
[05:00] <demophobia> i'm new so i figured i should go with LTS
[05:00] <csteed> Yes
[05:01] <wxl> that's reasonable, but a word of warning: upgrading to 18.10 or even 20.04 (the next LTS) will not be easy
[05:01] <demophobia> why Qt rather than Xfce?
[05:01] <demophobia> wxl, why's that?
[05:01] <demophobia> not simply copying data files to hard drive and reinstalling? does grub have to change? (i have dual boot with win7)
[05:01] <csteed> I suggest you stick with 18.04 and install a search app, try synapse. It searches for files and applications
[05:02] <wxl> xfce is not a graphics toolkit. it's a desktop environment. your question may be why qt rather than gtk, in which case the answer is that qt is much easier to work with
[05:02] <csteed> LXDE is very fast, and similar to XP-style, that is what attracted me to it.
[05:02] <demophobia> i read some pages about lubuntu vs xubuntu
[05:02] <wxl> 18.10 is COMPLETELY different. every single piece changes. so you can't really upgrade. i mean, you can, but you basically end up with the new version of the old lubuntu plus the new version of the new lubuntu
[05:02] <demophobia> the consensus seemed to be, "use lubuntu for limited computers; xubuntu is a bit nicer if you have a bit more RAM"
[05:03] <wxl> yeah and lxqt is a lot more modern, so that comparison starts to breakdown
[05:03] <demophobia> i'm wondering why someone would want to use lubuntu rather than xubuntu even if they had a computer able to run xubuntu
[05:03] <wxl> lubuntu has also stopped focusing SOLELY on keeping things lightweight at all costs. practicality is something we consider now too XD
[05:03] <demophobia> right, so then why not just merge with xubuntu
[05:03] <wxl> we're still the lightest thing out there, though
[05:04] <wxl> because qt and gtk are completely incompatible
[05:04] <demophobia> i found a page that recommended 'Puppy Linux' rather than lubuntu
[05:04] <wxl> not to mention the two desktop environments are completely different
[05:04] <wxl> omg please hear me now: never ever ever ever use puppy linux
[05:04] <demophobia> i mean, it listed "the five most lightweight" (or 5 best or something) and it listed Puppy Linux instead of lubuntu
[05:04] <demophobia> why, what's wrong with that distro?
[05:04] <csteed> Puppy is not user friendly.
[05:04] <wxl> puppy is maybe best considered a tool rather than an actual operating system
[05:04] <demophobia> o_o
[05:05] <wxl> it's insanely cobbled together
[05:05] <demophobia> that's unfortunate
[05:05] <wxl> there is really no distro i will say demeaning things about (although there are those that i'd advise against), but puppy is the exception
[05:05] <demophobia> so you like lubuntu simply because it's more lightweight than xubuntu?
[05:06] <demophobia> and in that case, if i'm lagging occasionally with lubuntu (e.g. webpages) then i definitely should not try xubuntu?
[05:06] <wxl> i mainly like lubuntu because it's simple. our philosophy is to "not get in the way"
[05:06] <wxl> the modern web is a demanding thing....
[05:07] <wxl> i doubt xubuntu will prove to be dramatically different, but it will use a bit more resources
[05:07] <wxl> but if you're struggling, i wouldn't bother
[05:08] <wxl> if you really want to push things, you could just use the netinstall image to install ubuntu-core and build up a completely minimal x environment with e.g. openbox or fluxbox as a window manager. bolt on only the pieces you need from there.
[05:14] <demophobia> i don't have the time to learn all that ... i'm trying already to get the community's help to sort out the few issues i do have
[05:14] <demophobia> that are i think far more simple
[05:14] <wxl> then i'd stick with what you've got
[05:14] <wxl> btw what are those issues?
[05:14] <demophobia> please see https://askubuntu.com/questions/1085983/how-to-fix-other-software-listing-duplicate-entries
[05:15] <demophobia> i haven't asked about this yet, but clicking my keyboard icon in the bottom right to try to switch to japanese keyboard also crashed my computer 1-2 days ago
[05:15] <wxl> this is your question?
[05:15] <demophobia> it's one issue i came across, yes (the keyboard freezing my desktop environment(?) was another)
[05:16] <demophobia> another is radiotray's error messages when opening via terminal
[05:16] <wxl> my question is whether or not this question on askubuntu was asked by you or if this describes an issue you're having
[05:16] <demophobia> oh
[05:17] <demophobia> does the distinction matter? >_> it is an issue i'm having
[05:17] <wxl> yes, it does
[05:17] <wxl> which duplicate entries do you see?
[05:17] <demophobia> ... the ones in that screenshot `-`
[05:18] <wxl> so this is your question? jeez
[05:18] <demophobia> sorry
[05:18] <wxl> like pulling teeth over here
[05:18] <demophobia> double sorry
[05:18] <wxl> what's this braave browser business?
[05:18] <demophobia> i gave up on that. 32-bit only for linux, the website didn't make that clear
[05:18] <demophobia> *64-bit only
[05:18] <wxl> i'd probably start by deleting those
[05:19] <demophobia> i did already
[05:21] <wxl> pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:21] <wxl> also the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[05:21] <wxl> you can use the pastebinit package for this
[05:21] <wxl> like `pastebinit -i /etc/apt/sources.list` and `ls -alh /etc/apt/source.list.d | pastebinit`
[05:25] <demophobia> https://pastebin.com/ypkMDRG2
[05:26] <demophobia> oh wow
[05:27] <wxl> you said you were on 18.04 but this is clearly 16.04
[05:27] <wxl> you might want to confirm that with lsb_release -a
[05:28] <wxl> but yet you have bionic repos enabled
[05:29] <demophobia> oh ... so the update failed then ... i did get a message that it had failed, but it looked like it succeeded in other ways, e.g. the computer tells me it's 18.04
[05:29] <demophobia> at the very end it said it failed, after it had gone through the entire installation
[05:29] <demophobia> so then i should just do a reinstallation? ...
[05:29] <demophobia> i'm afraid of messing up grub and losing my win7 'cause i bought this from amazon and they wouldn't give me the windows license
[05:30] <demophobia> it's an OEM enterprise win7 installation or something (dell) that i dualbooted installing 16.04 a while back
[05:30] <wxl> well even if you mess up grub it's not going to remove windows
[05:30] <wxl> that said, usually it's best when you run into errors to make note of the exact nature of those errors… otherwise it's hard to tell you how to fix it
[05:31] <demophobia> does say 18.04 https://pastebin.com/75wx6yLG
[05:31] <wxl> that said i have no clue what happened
[05:31] <demophobia> oh, i took photos
[05:31] <demophobia> i can say exactly
[05:31] <wxl> so i'd replace xenial with bionic on your sources.list
[05:31] <wxl> was there nothing in /etc/apt/sources.list.d?/
[05:31] <demophobia> first, i had to reset my password via the recovery root method described on askubuntu to login
[05:32] <demophobia> then, i tried to ... well, i'm suddenly thinking i shoudl go to bed
[05:32] <demophobia> Could not install 'doc-base' was the first error during the upgrade
[05:32] <wxl> did it say why?
[05:32] <demophobia> Installed doc-base package post-installation script subprocess returned error exist status 10
[05:32] <demophobia> *exit
[05:33] <wxl> can you send that pic?
[05:33] <wxl> that includes that part?
[05:34] <demophobia> 'k ... i'll send it then go to bed if that's all right -- is it useful for your development of the OS? or are you only asking for it to help me personally now?
[05:34] <wxl> i was only ever asking for your help
[05:36] <demophobia> oh. well, i'm getting the pic now but it only says what i typed
[05:38] <demophobia> is there a preferred method for sending/uploading photos? i could log into imgur but it'd take more time to find my login info
[05:38] <demophobia> but ...
[05:38] <wxl> does an upgrade work?
[05:38] <demophobia> it says i already have the latest software
[05:38] <wxl> share.riseup.net works fine
[05:38] <wxl> did you replace xenial with bionic in your sources.list?
[05:39] <demophobia> not yet
[05:39] <wxl> do that and then try to do an upgrade
[05:39] <wxl> also you never told me about /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[05:39] <demophobia> https://share.riseup.net/#aM0YcZjsUy-YqA3eT3Savw
[05:40] <wxl> oh, right. this wasn't a do-release-upgrade. bummer.
[05:41] <demophobia> i made a liveDVD. should i copy my documents to USB and then reinstall from liveDVD?
[05:41] <demophobia> but i tried to upgrade from downloading
[05:41] <wxl> well that would absolutely remove any other concerns
[05:41] <demophobia> i wonder if the problem was a download error: i tried to download from japanese servers, i think (because i was in japan back in the day)
[05:41] <wxl> i'd say it'd be a good idea.
[05:41] <demophobia> from another country
[05:42] <wxl> otherwise i can work to help you with that
[05:43] <demophobia> https://pastebin.com/ixhkE3xh
[05:43] <demophobia> shouldn't i delete those brave-browser files since i can't install the software on this computer?
[05:43] <wxl> yep
[05:44] <demophobia> should i leave the folder in case of future use?
[05:44] <wxl> i would
[05:44] <demophobia> permission denied to delete it via the GUI
[05:44] <demophobia> i guess i need to sudo rm it?
[05:44] <wxl> yep
[05:45] <wxl> or use the open folder as root option in pcmanfm
[05:45] <demophobia> hmm not seeing that when i right click ...
[05:46] <wxl> it's a menu option
[05:46] <wxl> oh nevermind
[05:46] <wxl> pcmanfm doesn't have it. just pcmanfm-qt
[05:46] <wxl> see. told you the new version was better :)
[05:46] <demophobia> oh. not seeing it, but i opened it in terminal then sudo rm'd them
[05:47] <demophobia> lol <3
[05:47] <demophobia> 'k, well, thanks for the exercise and li'l bit experience in linux (or ubuntu)
[05:47] <wxl> np
[05:47] <demophobia> thanks for your time
[05:47] <wxl> if you've got those things sorted and an upgrade just works, you should be fine
[05:47] <demophobia> i guess i'll reinstall from liveDVD -- will it prompt me to erase and overwrite the linux drives only?
[05:48] <demophobia> like, it'll clearly say, "overwrite previous linux, leave windows alone", something like that?
[05:48] <demophobia> (i've got lubuntu 18.04.1 LTS liveDVD)
[05:48] <demophobia> (i verified md5 checksum)
[05:48] <wxl> it will ask you want to do and it will point out different partitions and what they are
[05:48] <wxl> whether or not it's THAT clear, i don't know XD
[05:48]  * demophobia gets nervous
[05:48] <wxl> but it should be fairly obvious i think
[05:48] <demophobia> i've had partition-stuff fail during CD installation before
[05:49] <demophobia> don't recall if it was mandrake linux or ubuntu
[05:49] <wxl> the good news is that if you get there and it's not obvious, then you can back out which is no issue
[05:49] <wxl> if you were manual partitioning, i wouldn't be surprised
[05:49] <demophobia> why's that?
[05:49] <wxl> it's not uncommon for people not well versed with file systems to make mistakes
[05:50] <wxl> recently someone tried to do an install and it blew up horribly and it wasn't obvious to me but the problem was he made / too small
[05:50] <wxl> had he just used one of the autopartition options, it would have been no problem at all
[05:50] <demophobia>  / is a) a folder, b) an arm, ...
[05:50] <wxl> but he wanted something special, so manual partitioning
[05:50] <wxl>  / is the root of all your folders
[05:51] <demophobia> what d'you think of the advice to install OS in one partition and all your data in another?
[05:51] <wxl> i don't think it's a bad idea at all. makes your data more portable
[05:51] <demophobia> then you can have multiple OS or reinstall without touching data, they say
[05:51] <wxl> in particular, i'd say put $HOME on aa separate partition
[05:55] <demophobia> i'm not really sure how to do that  -- seems like / holds everything, 'home' goes inside /, but if you partition to put 'home' on a different partition then you'd have two / ...
[05:55] <wxl> no
[05:55] <demophobia> basically i dunno how the linux filesystem works yet
[05:55] <wxl> it's confusing, but no
[05:56] <wxl> you're simply "mounting" that partition to that particular location
[05:56] <wxl> it's essentially telling the file system that anytime it sees /home it should go looking at the other partition
[05:56] <wxl> in much the same way that as a standard set up, everything in / should be looking at the one partition
[06:01] <demophobia> i actually think i like the minimalism of lubuntu
[06:01] <demophobia> i mean, even if xubuntu had more 'bells and whistles', i think i prefer the aesthetic of simpleness
[06:01] <demophobia> oh, right, thanks
[06:01] <demophobia> i forgot
[06:02] <demophobia> dunno how much i'll remember: i should have gone to bed ... ... 3 hours ago
[06:02] <demophobia> peace
[06:02] <wxl> i'm not sure it has more bells and whistles for that matter
[06:02] <wxl> nite
 If i have a partition with win 7 + an aother with his boot loader if i erase the boot loader win can load with only grub ?
[11:24] <JadedJ> How can I change the window border size on L-ubuntu?
[11:25] <JadedJ> I want to be able to make it easier to resize windows
[11:37] <ilyaigpetrov> JadedJ: which Lubuntu, 18.10?
[11:38] <JadedJ> Lubuntu 16 LTS
 Why speak only the bot (here) ?😂😂
[11:39] <ilyaigpetrov> JadedJ: https://askubuntu.com/questions/833950/size-of-grab-area-for-resizing-window-in-lubuntu
[11:40] <ilyaigpetrov> JadedJ: also search with query: lxde resize zone windows
 @Slider1 [Why speak only the bot (here) ?😂😂], Because on the other side of that is an IRC channel, just like to them we're a bot, but we're really a Telegram channel.
[11:42] <JadedJ> !lxde resize zone windows
 @Slider1 [If i have a partition with win 7 + an aother with his boot loader if i erase the …], Simon
 @tsimonq2 [Because on the other side of that is an IRC channel, just like to them we're a b …], Do you know it
[11:46] <ilyaigpetrov> can't find this room via a telegram client -- how is this tg group named?
 @ilyaigpetrov [<ilyaigpetrov> can't find this room via a telegram client -- how is this tg grou …], https://telegram.lubuntu.me/support because the real link is hidden
 Why do i sometimes log in twice on my Lubuntu 18.04?
 Instead of once,
 Problem on my LightDM?
 If i install lubuntu 18.04 what version of grub it will install ?
[11:56] <hateball> !info grub-pc bionic
[11:56] <hateball> hmmm
 @Slider1 https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=grub&searchon=names&suite=bionic&section=all
[12:03] <ilyaigpetrov> is qlipper installed by default in 18.10? I haven't seen it yesterday in the tray if I recall correctly.
[12:06] <ilyaigpetrov> yes, https://manual.lubuntu.me/2/2.4/2.4.5/Qlipper.html
 Any solution for my question?
[12:12] <ilyaigpetrov> @ancha41: you should try reinstalling some related packages using apt purge to purge the config files
[12:14] <ilyaigpetrov> @ancha41: make a backup beforehand if you have something important in the FS
 OK i'll try it, and i just searching some related packages
 Are LightDM fine?
[12:17] <ilyaigpetrov> I don't know
 If i purge it, can i reinstall it?
 I assume it's LightDM
[12:21] <ilyaigpetrov> @ancha41, in the worst case you will have to use one of the virtual terminals and your wifi connection may be lost after purging. It's a risk to end up with a system booted without any graphical shell
[12:22] <ilyaigpetrov> in the lucky case graphical shell will be available after purging and you will be able to install it again from it
 @ilyaigpetrov [<ilyaigpetrov> @ancha41, in the worst case you will have to use one of the virtu …], That's haunted me lol
[12:31] <ilyaigpetrov> @ancha41: if you end up with a virtual terminal without wifi then you may find some internet cord for connecting to the internet because configuring wifi from a terminal is not easy
[12:44] <hateball> if you have network-manager it's not that bad, you can use 'nmtui' then
 Good news, now it's fine
 After purging and reinstalling it, and restart too. Now 's fine
[12:49] <SchleimKeim> ilyaigpetrov: wpasupplicant
[12:50] <ilyaigpetrov> SchleimKeim: I know, I did this exercise many times but still find that it's not easy
[12:51] <SchleimKeim> ilyaigpetrov: i had to learn it the hard way a few days ago. it didn't take me that long to be honest
[12:51] <SchleimKeim> (but i kinda new already what to look for ;) )
[12:52] <ilyaigpetrov> SchleimKeim: I can't remember the commands. Every time I'm in need to do it I look up commands via my phone or another notebook.
[12:53] <ilyaigpetrov> SchleimKeim: "wpa_passphrase", "wpa_supplicant" -- these names are all I remember not the flags or syntax of the config files
 Oh i forgot to thank you, ilyaigpetrov
[12:54] <ilyaigpetrov> @ancha41: thanks, you are welcome
[12:56] <ilyaigpetrov> @ancha41: did you do it from the graphic shell? I guess after purging it was still usable and you was able to install the needed packages. What were the packages by the way?
 No, from terminal
 i remember it's: light-locker, lighdm-greeter-gtk-, lightdm-greeter-gtk-settings, lubuntu-gtk-core and lightdm
 I decided to using blob in purge
 So, i detected that some packages related to LightDM
[13:01] <ilyaigpetrov> ok
[14:45] <JadedJ> Cheers ilyaigpetrov
[14:48] <ilyaigpetrov> JadedJ: cheers
[14:49] <ilyaigpetrov> JadedJ: so you solved your border size problem, didn't you?
[14:49] <JadedJ> Not yet
[14:52] <ilyaigpetrov> JadedJ: why don't you switch to 18.04.1?
[14:56] <JadedJ> Because I'm testing an application using 16.X
[14:57] <embden> Hello, I want to install lubuntu on my laptop with external monitor, will it work?
[15:11] <SchleimKeim> embden: sure, why not?
[15:11] <SchleimKeim> depends on your GPU i guess
[15:11] <SchleimKeim> but if it's a generic intel laptop GPU, i don't see why not.
[15:12] <embden> SchleimKeim: "LXQt treats all monitors as one when painting the desktop background. We plan on solving this in a more native way by the 19.04 release, but in the meantime, Lubuntu contributor Hans P. Möller has written a script which can be used as a workaround for treating all of the backgrounds differently."
[15:13] <embden> it's from release announcement
[15:13] <SchleimKeim> ok. how about you boot the live dvd and see if it works? :)
[15:13] <SchleimKeim>  /me is new to lubuntu
[15:14] <embden> SchleimKeim: thanks, maybe I'll try
[16:00] <ShellcatZero> Congrats on the LXQt release in 18.10!  When do such changes get pushed out to the 18.04 release?  Just curious.
[16:01] <wxl> lxqt to 18.04? never
[16:01] <wxl> i mean, the lxqt packages are there but they won't be part of lubuntu
[16:01] <wxl> and they're not as stable as the ones in 18.10
[16:02] <wxl> oh and at least some of the packages aren't available at all. i packaged trojita for teh first time in 18.10
[16:03] <ShellcatZero> I thought that eventually these get ported back to the LTS, no?
[16:03] <wxl> nope
[16:04] <ShellcatZero> wow, ok
[16:04] <wxl> the first lxqt lts will be 20.04
[16:06] <ShellcatZero> is it possible to add something like a LXQt ppa to 18.04 to keep up with the latest version?  I usually presume the latest version is the more stable one, would that be correct?
[16:07] <wxl> if you want lxqt, i'd do a fresh install of 18.10. even if we did have all the 18.10 versions available for 18.04, there would be a lot of work necessary to make it easy to swap between the two or replace one with the other
[16:07] <wxl> lubuntu is not the desktop environment. it's the desktop environment plus default settings and a variety of packages. ALL of those things changed between 18.04 and 18.10
[16:10] <ShellcatZero> hmm, got it, I'm thinking I might just go with 18.04 server and add a LXQt ppa to stay on the latest version
[16:10] <wxl> well, there isn't going to be one..........
[16:11] <ShellcatZero> ah, I thought I saw one, but it's really old, lol
[17:48] <sappheiros> wxl reinstalling from liveDVD was definitely the right choice -- i see now that in fact my previous attempt to upgrade was unfinished, so i basically was using a hybrid mix of 16.04 and 18.04 -- with the 16.04 display ... this new 18.04 is cleaner, looks in fact like ubuntu (rather than lubuntu)
[17:49] <wxl> sappheiros: 18.04 lubuntu pretty much looks like every lubuntu before it. you sure you didn't install ubuntu?
[17:50] <sappheiros> lol i give up
[17:50] <sappheiros> anyway, i'm happy i reinstalled the OS
[17:50] <sappheiros> well
[17:50] <wxl> ok
[17:50] <sappheiros> login splash screen does say 'lubuntu'
[17:50] <sappheiros> maybe my lubuntu installation was screwy from the beginning ...
[17:51] <wxl> if you didn't check the hashes, that's possible
[17:52] <sappheiros> why's it called LXTerminal instead of simply Terminal?
[17:52] <sappheiros> (i recall in ubuntu it's 'Terminal')
[17:52] <wxl> because... it's... part... of.. the... lxde.. project
[17:52] <wxl> just like lxpanel
[17:52] <wxl> and lx every other thing under the sun (except for pcmanfm and openbox)
[17:53] <sappheiros> so the 'LX' is basically decorative like "don't forget we built this"?
[17:53] <sappheiros> why isn't ubuntu's main release's terminal called 'UTerminal' then? :P
[17:53] <sappheiros> or ... i dunno
[17:54] <wxl> well there are a TON of terminal programs
[17:54] <wxl> let's imagine they were all titled "terminal"
[17:54] <wxl> and you installed more than one
[17:54] <wxl> how would you know which one is which?
 Ubuntu's main terminal is actually Gnome terminal, and Gnome has that weird habit of omitting the "Gnome" part.
 And KDE just looks for ways to fit a 'K' into the name, so they named their terminal "Konsole" :D
[18:03] <sappheiros> oh, thank you
[18:03] <sappheiros> how come marneu is talking through lubot instead of in channel?
[18:03] <wxl> telegram bridge
[18:03] <sappheiros> list of stuff i don't know about +1
[18:04] <sappheiros> i thought telegram was a smartphone app
[18:04] <wxl> it's a smartphone and desktop app
[18:04] <sappheiros> interesting
[18:04] <sappheiros> does that mean his connection's encrypted?
[18:04] <wxl> telegram does have encryption, yes
[18:04] <wxl> but that may not be the question you're asking
[18:06] <sappheiros> i can't figure out how to annotate in Document Viewer ...
[18:07] <sappheiros> clicking 'help' likewise didn't seem to do anything
[18:12] <sappheiros> Evince / Document Viewer seems too glitchy, annotations just don't work right
[18:13] <wxl> might be the particular pdf too
[18:15] <sappheiros> thanks for the reminder
[18:16] <sappheiros> trying to use default software, pidgin seems quite limited for IRC
[18:16] <wxl> sadly pdfs have a very particular specification but a lot of common pdf software creates pdfs that aren't valid according to that specification. of course, open source developers use that specification to create their software, so... blah
[18:16] <wxl> yeah. i know. i'd use irssi if i were you. irc belongs in text.
[18:17] <sappheiros> does http://ewtn.com/multimedia/live_player.asp?sat=radioe work for you? youtube is playing, but this radio stream is not
[18:17] <wxl> not on 18.04 right now
[18:20] <sappheiros> music.amazon.com is working
[18:20] <sappheiros> (thanks parents)
[18:20] <sappheiros> i guess it's an EWTN website problem
[18:21] <wxl> it probably needs to use flash XD
[18:21] <sappheiros> whelp, got my computer sorted, guess that means i need to get to work now ...
[18:23] <sappheiros> any advice regarding this terminal error?
[18:23] <sappheiros> > (/usr/lib/firefox/firefox:2834): dconf-WARNING **: 14:18:51.990: Unable to open /var/lib/menu-xdg/dconf/profile/user: Permission denied
[18:23] <sappheiros> i dunno what caused it
[18:24] <wxl> probably irrelevant
[18:24] <wxl> warnings usually are
[18:24] <wxl> errors are what you need to worry about
[18:25] <sappheiros> 'k thanks
[18:25] <wxl> smoe apps are particularly noisy
[18:25] <wxl> (most gtk apps for example)
[18:26] <sappheiros> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard internal server error
[18:26] <wxl> then that's a problem with the ubuntu servers, not a lubuntu problem
[18:26] <sappheiros> are you suggesting gtk apps are not well-built?
[18:26] <wxl> you can report that at #canonical-syadmin
[18:27] <wxl> but to be honest it's a common problem with the wiki :(
[18:27] <wxl> um i don't know if that makes them not well-built
[18:43] <sappheiros> d'you know a list of keyboard shortcuts?
[18:43] <sappheiros> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard is working again
[18:44] <sappheiros> isn't Supre key the windows key? it's not working ...
[18:45] <sappheiros> i just found lxhotkey
[18:46] <sappheiros> the list at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard is incorrect. how can i fix it?
[18:46] <sappheiros> e.g. Super+1 and Super+2 are incorrect
[18:46] <wxl> do you have a launchpad account?
[18:46] <sappheiros> yes
[18:46] <sappheiros> oh i see
[18:46] <sappheiros> thanks
[18:47] <embden> sappheiros: I also would like to propose to rename menu entries. Right now, there are entries with app names and when you place a mouse on top them you can see what it is. I think that it would be more comfortable to put app type like "Terminal" and make hint to be it's name like "qterminal" and maybe after some delay +short description. Because users look for an arnchiever not for Ark. I can even see a workarounds - PCManFMQt has an addition "File Manager
[18:47] <embden> ". Otherwise, users never find a file manager.
[18:48] <wxl> embden: you're talking about 18.10 and sappheiros 18.04. different.
[18:48] <embden> wxl: the problem still does exist.
 I have installed lubuntu 18.04 but i can't install other softwere for example if i type : ... Sudo apt-get install gparted  ... It doesn't work .the error is like at no connection but if i search something on web it works
[18:49] <wxl> embden: on lubuntu.
[18:49] <wxl> i mean 18.10
[18:49] <wxl> not 18.04
[18:49] <wxl> @Slider1 try `sudo apt update` first
[18:49] <wxl> if it's a fresh install, that's a thing
[18:49] <embden> wxl: I understand.
 @wxl [<wxl> @Slider1 try `sudo apt update` first], It's automatically update at 18.10 ,isn't it ?
[18:51] <sappheiros> > Your request to join Ubuntu Wiki Editors is awaiting approval.
[18:51] <wxl> let me fix that sappheiros
[18:51] <wxl> @Slider1 no. and you should ALWAYS update before doing anything with apt.
[18:51] <sappheiros> uh oh
[18:51] <sappheiros> all the desktops are showing the same apps in the taskbar :(
 @wxl [<wxl> @Slider1 no. and you should ALWAYS update before doing anything with apt.], Ok thanks i'll try it
[18:53] <sappheiros> don't see a way to change that in Desktop Preferences
[18:53] <wxl> taskbar settings i believe
[18:54] <sappheiros> don't see how to edit taskbar settings ...
[18:57] <sappheiros> found it
[18:57] <wxl> good cuz i had to remind myself whilst doing a bunch of other stuff and hadn't got to it yet XD
[18:57] <wxl> are you ~ubuntuuser1?
[19:26] <kalock> hi all, would like to switch to whisker menu from the default lubuntu menu, but i am not sure how to tell the system to use Whisker now that it is installed.  could anyone point me in the right direction?
[19:29] <wxl> kalock: on 18.04?
[19:33] <kalock> yes!
[19:33] <wxl> yeah. unfortunately, you probably won't be able to get it to work
[19:33] <wxl> the menu in lxpanel is an lxpanel plugin
[19:33] <wxl> similarly the whisker menu is an xfce(4?)panel plugin
[19:34] <wxl> so you could replace lxpanel with xfce(whatever)panel
[19:34] <kalock> ok, i think that is what i am needing to do.  is there config somewhere to switch that panel?
[19:36] <wxl> you'd have to install it first and then in lxsession default apps change the value of the panel/command
[19:36] <wxl> may need to tweak panel/session, too
[19:37] <kalock> i see, thanks.  maybe i'll just install xubuntu for this user to make it easier on them hehe
[19:37] <kalock> thank you
[19:37] <wxl> np
[19:49] <saptech> does lubuntu have their own forum?
[19:53] <teward> saptech: doesn't look like there's a *dedicated* forum, no.  https://lubuntu.me/links/ is all the available support mechanisms
[19:54] <saptech> ok, thanks
[19:58] <saptech> i was trying to read if people are having issues upgrading from the past current version to 18.10
[19:58] <saptech> I really like lxde but willing to try lxqt
[20:09] <wxl> it's not easy, saptech
[20:09] <wxl> did you read the release notes?
[20:15] <saptech> wxl, yes I read it and saw the link on upgrading...doesn't seem bad
 where's the keyboard mapping file?