[00:02] <crimson_king> Is there a convenient way to obtain the LTS kernel (4.15 currently) for Ubuntu 18.10 instead of its 4.18 kernel?
[00:03] <crimson_king> For example, on Arch you can install linux-lts and use it instead of the latest. It will still be automatically updated.
[00:21] <bodie_> I've just updated to Cosmic and there's some weirdness with my theme.  Notifications and popovers are light themed even though my desktop is dark themed now.
[00:21] <bodie_> I couldn't find a setting to adjust this.  Is there a doc for configuring notification appearance?
[00:22] <bodie_> There are a lot of little details that are light too, like borders on certain window elements
[00:25] <masaki_> Whenever I create a new file and try to save it into a specific file name, it starts searching instead.
[00:26] <masaki_> It's a bit weird because the filename is highlighted but as soon as you start typing, it begins a search instead.
[00:26] <masaki_> Is that happening for you guys as well? I would like to just ctrl+s, type filename, press enter to save.
[00:27] <masaki_> But the default behavior (at least in my system), ctrl+s, type filename -> starts search, which makes it a bit annoying.
[02:54] <RNM> Hello
[02:57] <balsaq> if i have installed a few programs an uninstalled them and want to clean up my system how would i do that?
[02:59] <hashrack> balsaq: "sudo apt autoremove" .... autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for other packages and are now no longer needed as dependencies changed or the package(s) needing them were removed in the meantime.
[02:59] <hashrack> balsaq: you can check apt manual by "man apt"
[03:00] <balsaq> so far i just removed the package
[03:00] <balsaq> but iwonder if it leave a bit of a mess behind
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> balsaq: try bleachbit for leftovers & system cleaning
[03:02] <hashrack> balsaq: it will probably leave some dependencies that we're installed... if those dependencies are no longer in use, you can safely remove them via "sudo apt autoremove"
[03:02] <balsaq> i did not see it install dependencies
[03:02] <balsaq> and when i ran auto remove it saud all zeros
[03:03] <balsaq> how does blechit work
[03:03] <hashrack> its like ccleaner of windows
[03:03] <balsaq> ok
[03:03] <balsaq> ccleaner is ok but i seen it botcha asystem too
[03:03] <Bashing-om> balsaq: remove does not remove config files ( as may want to reinstall ) --purge is the switch to completely remove a package .
[03:03] <balsaq> is bleachbit safe
[03:04] <balsaq> ok how to i run purge
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> balsaq: you need to read bleachbit settings first, dont just enable what you dont understand
[03:04] <balsaq> is --purge a terminal comand?
[03:05] <hashrack> agree with lotuspsychje... if you seen ccleaner botcha your system, bleachbit also will, if you're not careful. only enable what you want to clean
[03:05] <Bashing-om> balsaq: ' sudo apt remove --purge <package>. Be very careful with bleachkit, as it can and will remove more than intended.
[03:05] <balsaq> i dont use ccleaner for years i dont need it anymore in windows10
[03:07] <balsaq> says unable to lacate the package
[03:08] <balsaq> locate
[03:08] <marcodiego> balsaq, because it is already removed
[03:09] <marcodiego> balsaq, you should have used --purge when you first removed the package
[03:09] <balsaq> so should i install again and the run it
[03:10] <marcodiego> balsaq, I don't think you should care so much about it but I'm curious about the experiment
[03:11] <balsaq> no experiments
[03:11] <marcodiego> balsaq, looking forward to know if it works
[03:11] <balsaq> just want to unnistall stuff fully and correctly
[03:12] <lotuspsychje> balsaq: the apt way does what it promises
[03:13] <marcodiego> balsaq, this is what the manual says: "purge is identical to remove except that packages are removed and purged (any configuration files are deleted too)."
[03:14] <marcodiego> balsaq, I personally always used "apt-get remove" and never cared about it
[03:15] <balsaq> that command is invalid anyways'
[03:15] <marcodiego> balsaq, if you're coming from a windows background, you're probably used to have your system slowly degrading over time and as software is installed and leftovers make the system even slower. In the "debian world" this is very different
[03:16] <marcodiego> balsaq, "sudo apt purge <package>"
[03:17] <balsaq> weird i reinstalled the package and the command says it cannot fin the package
[03:18] <marcodiego> balsaq, you installed it with "sudo apt-get install" ?
[03:19] <balsaq> no i used the software center
[03:19] <balsaq> i think it worked but just doesnt give me a positive feeling let me check further'
[03:20] <hashrack> it might be a snap app
[03:20] <balsaq> i just ran a search in ubuntu and its gone
[03:20] <marcodiego> hmmm... I don't know how to find out the name of packages installed from the software center. I'd recommend to try to use the software center itself to unninstall it
[03:20] <balsaq> does that mean it worked?even if it is not a ubuntu app
[03:21] <balsaq> it is a snap and i see now it is all OVER MY COMPUTER
[03:21] <balsaq> damn
[03:21] <balsaq> i gottta get rid of this
[03:22] <marcodiego> balsaq, I really can't answer. All I can recommend is that if you used the software center to install it, I think you should use the software center to unninstall it
[03:23] <balsaq> yeah i will but it leave stuff behinf=d
[03:23] <balsaq> behind
[03:24] <marcodiego> balsaq, can you give some detail of what exactly is the stuff left?
[03:25] <marcodiego> I mean, where are such files
[03:25] <balsaq> in my computer
[03:25] <balsaq> in my file system
[03:25] <balsaq> lots of things with that name on it
[03:25] <marcodiego> can you copy-paste a path of one of these files?
[03:25] <balsaq> and i cant delete them from their location manually
[03:27] <marcodiego> balsaq, if you didn't create the file, you should not delete it
[03:27] <marcodiego> balsaq, can you copy-paste the path of one of these files?
[03:27] <balsaq> i went into filesystem, then i chose other locations, then i used the search and typed in the name of the snap package and there is was all over
[03:29] <marcodiego> balsaq, can you type "locate <filename>" in a terminal e post the output here?
[03:29] <balsaq> it all over even in my swap
[03:30] <balsaq> whats the exact command
[03:30] <balsaq> its in so many locations this will be difficult
[03:30] <balsaq> pieces of it all over the drive and even in the swap
[03:31] <marcodiego> balsaq, that is because it is not something you should do. This probably should be done automatically
[03:31] <marcodiego> balsaq, can you type "locate <filename>" in a terminal e post the output here?
[03:31] <marcodiego> balsaq, can you type "locate <filename>" in a terminal and post the output here?
[03:32] <balsaq> that idea prodiced nothing'
[03:33] <balsaq> i tried it right away
[03:33] <marcodiego> balsaq, try "find / -iname <filename>"
[03:33] <balsaq> suido find?
[03:33] <balsaq> ru giving me all the words?
[03:33] <marcodiego> balsaq, no, not required
[03:34] <balsaq> so i just type find and the pckg in terminal?
[03:35] <balsaq> dont i need to write at least sudo
[03:35] <balsaq> its not working
[03:35] <marcodiego> balsaq, type "find / -iname <filename>", just replace <filename> with the name of one of the files you think should have been removed. And press enter.
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> balsaq: dont troll us please, give us usefull info first
[03:35] <balsaq> nothing came up
[03:35] <balsaq> i did find and the name of the package
[03:36] <balsaq> lotus im not trolling so stay out of it
[03:36] <balsaq> if i have to i will reinstall
[03:36] <balsaq> i dont want it all over my filesystem
[03:36] <Bashing-om> balsaq: Bear in mind if it is a Snap install, teh command to remove from terminal is ' sudo snap remove <package> ' . Snap packages are faitly new and we often times do not think if that system .
[03:36] <marcodiego> balsaq, that is very strange... if at least you could give us a path to at least one of these files but "all over my computer.. on my swap" that doesn't means anything
[03:37] <balsaq> ahh ok no womere i was struggling
[03:37] <balsaq> i was using wrong command one second
[03:38] <balsaq> i told u exactly what i meant i ran a search under COMPUTER in my file system and file sfrom that install were in  many placesincluding my swap fiel  too many to name'
[03:38] <balsaq> i will try the new comman now
[03:40] <balsaq> says it is not installed
[03:41] <balsaq> ok i know what to do now
[03:42] <balsaq> ok the new command worked as far as i can see as termianl said removed
[03:43] <balsaq> now i will run the same search in my filesystem and see if it left file laying arouund
[03:46] <balsaq> i ran that find /    and it found nothing so that is good....
[03:46] <balsaq> now i will look in COMPUTER
[03:48] <balsaq> it still is in .tmp   .lock    and   .mnt
[03:48] <balsaq> i will try to manually remove those leftovers
[03:49] <marcodiego> balsaq, I think these are mere caches and not something you should care about
[03:50] <marcodiego> manually removing things that you did not create is generally not something you should do
[03:50] <balsaq> ok here is the cut and paste of what is left over and i cannot remove them
[03:51] <balsaq> hmm wont let me paste i there for some reason
[03:51] <balsaq> ok marco i will have top leave them
[03:52] <balsaq> seems odd i have to keep them though
[03:52] <marcodiego> balsaq, use https://paste.ubuntu.com/ to copy-paste it
[03:52] <balsaq> ok
[03:52] <marcodiego> balsaq, if it really is taking space, it maybe a bug
[03:53] <Bashing-om> balsaq: Likely they are in memory and will not be there upon a reboot .
[03:55] <balsaq> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KHN2YD35t7/
[03:55] <balsaq> there u have it
[03:55] <balsaq> my leftovers
[03:56] <marcodiego> balsaq, my opinion is the same of Bashing-om
[03:56] <balsaq> ok did u see the pastebin
[03:57] <balsaq> it is a few lins above
[03:57] <balsaq> lines*
[03:57] <marcodiego> balsaq, I think these are all caches except for "/var/lib/snapd/sequence/wireguard-fenriswolf.json"
[03:57] <balsaq> can i get rid of it?
[03:58] <Bashing-om> balsaq: Yeah .. thise locarion are 'virtual' - with the possible exception of /var/lib/snapd/sequence.... . Reboot . to see the difference .
[03:58] <balsaq> ok thanks
[04:15] <balsaq> ok was hard to get back'
[04:18] <balsaq> it still lives on in one location the location that ended in the eord sequence
[04:19] <balsaq> apparantly we are not allowed to delete a json file in our own computer?
[04:22] <balsaq> anyone know why i cannot delete a .json file that i dont need?
[04:30] <marcodiego> balsaq, probably because you have no permission
[04:31] <balsaq> exactly
[04:31] <balsaq> i own the computer
[04:31] <marcodiego> balsaq, don't delete the file. It can be done if you use "sudo rm <filename>" but don't do it
[04:31] <balsaq> but ubnuntu owns the file in my comoputer
[04:31] <balsaq> why woul i not want to do it?
[04:31] <marcodiego> balsaq, this is probably used by snapd (the program that manages snaps)
[04:32] <balsaq> hmmm
[04:32] <balsaq> hard to believe i need it now but ok if u insist
[04:32] <balsaq> it is the last file in a sequence
[04:32] <balsaq> i know i need the ones that come before it
[04:32] <marcodiego> balsaq, it is probably a cache of some kind. Probably so it doesn't have to gather info again about this package if you install it again
[04:32] <balsaq> big cache at 797 bytes
[04:33] <marcodiego> if that is really bothering you, I'd recommend you to file a bug
[04:33] <marcodiego> 797 bytes is just a few lines of text.
[04:33] <balsaq> well its not a bug at all...the folks who wrote the code decided that  the owner of the computer has no right to remove it
[04:34] <balsaq> its just that simple
[04:34] <balsaq> it has root
[04:34] <marcodiego> balsaq, as I said, I think you can remove it with "sudo rm <filename>"
[04:34] <marcodiego> but I'd recommend you no to do that
[04:35] <balsaq> i will leave it since my system is running smooth and  i just installed it ubuntu today i have been away from it for a long time
[04:35] <balsaq> this install seems good so i guesss iwont risk it
[05:25] <unknownme99> hello
[05:25] <unknownme99> can i ask a question here?
[05:31] <marcodiego> unknownme99, you should ask your question instead of asking if you can ask
[05:37] <Checkmate> can someone tell me what the option iptables --seconds 60 --hitcount 3 mean ?
[05:39] <unknownme99> i have unlimited data plan for my phone but with limited hotspot data. is there an app in ubuntu that can be alternative of pdanet+?
[05:42] <tomreyn> unknownme99: are you trying to (a) share the android devices' internet access with your ubuntu computer, so the ubuntu computer can get online through the android phone or (b) the other way around?
[05:45] <unknownme99> tomreyn (a)
[05:47] <tomreyn> unknownme99: so that's an android question, unless you're asking how to connect to the wireless hotspot or usb / bluetooth modem your phone provides
[05:58] <unknownme99> i mean the driver for pdanet+ only has windows and mac. so i want an alternative to share my phone internet, i dont want to use normal hotspot because i have 3gb per month for tethering but unlimited data for mobile use..
[06:40] <jamie1> anyone have any idea why uvc wouldnt be auto detecting a webcam
[06:41] <lotus|NUC> jamie1: did you try cheese and choose your webcam?
[06:43] <jamie1> lotus|NUC: yes i have checked with cheese and its not even showing up in lsusb
[06:43] <jamie1> well i think its in there but not identified as a logitech brio
[06:44] <lotus|NUC> jamie1: open a terminal and: tail -f /var/log/syslog and plug in your webcam please, see what errors you get
[06:50] <jamie1> lotus|NUC: sadly i cant... im remote lol
[06:51] <lotus|NUC> jamie1: your webcam is connected on your remote box?
[06:52] <jamie1> lotus|NUC: helping someone else who is new to linux and im not camera guru lol
[06:53] <jamie1> not really seeing it in either lsmod or lsusb
[06:54] <jamie1> i am seeing usb "hubs" that are not real though which im suspecting it might be one of them
[06:54] <lotus|NUC> jamie1: can you ask the person to try another usb port?
[06:55] <lotus|NUC> jamie1: wich ubuntu version is this?
[06:55] <jamie1> working on it, they are dissabled
[06:56] <jamie1> lotus|NUC: its 18.10
[06:56] <jamie1> its running on a tr 2950wx so that makes it more interesting
[07:48] <illuminaughtyy> HOLY SHIT IT WORKED
[07:49] <lotus|NUC> illuminaughtyy: no swearing here please
[07:50] <illuminaughtyyy> sorry, I forgot this is a christian server
[07:51] <ducasse> it's not, but we keep this channel family friendly
[07:51] <illuminaughtyy> Riiight. W
[07:51] <illuminaughtyy> Well anyway
[07:51] <illuminaughtyy> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1057783/no-brightness-control-18-04-lts-sys-class-backlight-is-empty
[07:52] <illuminaughtyy> This fixed my unable to adjust brightnesss on my laptop screen
[07:52] <illuminaughtyy> after trying many, many fixes
[07:53] <illuminaughtyyy> Let's see if it works on my desktop too (my gut remains cynical of it fixing the desktop brightness adjustment as well, but who knows)
[07:54] <illuminaughtyyy> You know I found out the other day that I had a game that was just a little too laggy to play on my laptop.. on Windows 10.. switched to Linux and it worked fine, and smoothly
[07:54] <illuminaughtyyy> Though I wonder if g-sync works in Linux.
[07:54] <illuminaughtyyy> I don't even know how I'd go about finding out.
[07:55] <illuminaughtyyy> Actually there might be an option to show an annoying icon when it's working. Hm...
[07:57] <illuminaughtyy> is the brightness slider in a menu outside the top right corner of the screen menu?
[08:11] <cariveri> Hi. ubuntu 18 removed the gksu, so my laucher for "service apache2 start" doesnt work anymore.  Know an alternative?
[08:12] <TJ-> cariveri: "pkexc"
[08:12] <TJ-> cariveri: "pkexec" (typo!)
[08:12] <TJ-> cariveri: short for Policy Kit execute
[08:13] <cariveri> TJ-: I tried that: Exec=/usr/bin/pkexec service apache2 start
[08:13] <cariveri> without success
[08:14] <TJ-> cariveri: you'd need to add a policy-kit policy; see "man pkexec"
[08:15] <TJ-> cariveri: you'd but the Action (policy-kit) file in /etc/polkit-1/localauthority
[08:18] <illuminaughtyy> is there any downside to putting key repeat delay to maximum in an attempt to mitigate mechanical keyboard chatter?
[08:21] <illuminaughtyy> ah nevermind, it did not fix the key chatter.
[08:21] <illuminaughtyy> I think it may have toneed it down a bit, but as you see theeere, the e is still repeating like crazy sometimes.
[08:24] <cariveri> TJ-: hm.. ok. it doesnt have to be beautiful. I did this now as a work around :Exec=/usr/bin/terminator --execute echo "start apache2. Please enter ps." ; sudo service apache2 start
[08:31] <lucylu> Hi guys.. I installed a second WP site on my ubuntu server. On the second site I was able to get the WP install screen and istall it. However when I went to change the theme the site disconnected and I cant connect to it : ERR_conn_timed_out
[08:31] <lucylu> Any way to check how to debug this?
[09:00] <tomreyn> lucylu: ERR_conn_timed_out may suggest a database serverconnection has timed out.
[09:01] <tomreyn> with wordpress specific questions you may get better support in #wordpress (but keep asking here if it's about OS services like webserver and database server not working)
[09:04] <lucylu> tomreyn so is there a log I ould look at?
[09:06] <tomreyn> lucylu: i don't know where wordpress logs. possible into php logs. and php may log into the webserver logs. but i don't know which webserver you're using there, or which PHP API.
[09:07] <tomreyn> lucylu: nor which ubuntu version. nor which database server. if this is a mysql server it probably logs to /var/log/mysql*
[09:07] <Sterist> are there any tools for creating / editing host protected areas? hdat2 is quite clunky
[09:10] <TJ-> Sterist: generally any disk editing tools, after using something like "hdparm -N..." to increase the HPA value
[09:13] <tomreyn> I assume most current hdds will claim that HPA is disabled
[09:15] <Sterist> I'm trying to create one to bring the disc under the maximum size my console will accept.
[09:15] <lucylu> thanks tomreyn
[09:16] <tomreyn> Sterist: be sure to read the hdparm man page about -N
[09:19] <Sterist> all the comment says is "very dangerous" lol but the disc contains no data. is it implying operational danger..?
[09:20] <tomreyn> that's not how i read it.
[09:20] <tomreyn> i meant to point out the possibility of data loss and the difference between temporary and permanent settings
[09:22] <TJ-> Sterist: if you set the value too high it could cause the disk firmware some confusion
[09:23] <Sterist> I do have to take a good chunk out =/
[09:23] <Sterist> need to reduce from 2TB to 1.85
[09:25] <Ben64> why
[09:28] <Sterist> ps3's officially have a maximum internal size of 1TB, unofficially 1.5tb (Sony arbitrarily began denying support >1TB on newer firmware but as one person discovered by experimenting with HPAs, the theoretical max is 1.86 and some change
[09:31] <dziegler> Hi, if I run the command "pbuilder-dist xenial create" on my Ubuntu Xenial I run into this dependency issue: https://gist.github.com/nook24/cceeb12cde6979c2b8cd3f09c7e0dfc8 This only happens since 18. Oct 2018. Any suggestions?
[09:31] <dziegler> create the pbuilder env for trusty or bionic does still work
[09:31] <TJ-> dziegler: 404 not found
[09:35] <dziegler> TJ-: retry https://pastebin.com/WUthgaxu
[09:35] <dziegler> Sees like github is buggy today
[09:38] <TJ-> dziegler: is that the complete log from running the command? if not, can you capture the entire output? "pastebinit <( pbuilder-dist xenial create 2>&1 )"
[09:41] <dziegler> TJ-: Of Course: https://pastebin.com/d345yAfi
[09:45] <TJ-> dziegler: line 823 onwards looks vital to this
[09:50] <dziegler> Yes, I guess this is the part where pbuilder tries to update the chroot environment. But i have no idea how to resolve a issue like this inside of pbuilder it self :/
[09:53] <dziegler> The current gcc Version in Ubuntu Xenial is 4:5.3.1-1ubuntu1. So it makes sense that pbuilder can't find 4:5.2
[09:58] <TJ-> dziegler: well, let's figure out out. Those are being removed due to some dependency of the packages being installed, listed in the next few lines, so we can examine the dependencies of those
[10:06] <dziegler> gcc-5-base is going to ask for gcc5.3.1 => Depends: gcc-5-base (= 5.3.1-14ubuntu2)
[10:13] <Barones> Hi, I'm having issues with BT firmware, I have an Athero Vendor BT, in debian I had to install firmware-atheros to it work properly, but in ubuntu linux-firmware dont let me install the firmware-atheros and BT dont work properly. I dont know what to do
[10:17] <gpunk> can we see your dmesg ?
[10:18] <Barones> sure gpunk , https://pastebin.com/xNLcp8zu
[10:21] <gpunk> define "dont work properly" plz
[10:22] <Barones> gpunk, I can't pair with others devices, sometimes it sees and sometimes it doesnt see others BT devices
[10:23] <gpunk> ok that means the firmware is loaded,
[10:23] <TJ-> dziegler: i think you local archive logic is broken; your log shows it installing "Retrieving g++ 4:5.3.1-1ubuntu1" but that package version was only valid during the development of xenial, and was superceded
[10:23] <TJ-> dziegler: combined with all those messages about hard links already existing, I suspect your problem lies there
[10:25] <Kim^J> Yo peeps! Got a question regarding versions. Can I assume that a package (With a certain name) will exist in both *.04 and *.10? That is, I can assume that openjdk-11-jre will exist in both 18.04 and 18.10?
[10:26] <TJ-> Kim^J: you can never assume
[10:26] <gpunk> Barones: whats the laptop model ?
[10:27] <dziegler> TJ-: I will try something...
[10:27] <gpunk> and the ubuntu version
[10:28] <TJ-> Barones: seeing the *entire* dmesg would be more helpful; grep removes important context. You can do "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[10:28] <Barones> product: K46CB
[10:28] <Barones>        vendor: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
[10:28] <Barones>  running 18.04 ubuntu
[10:28] <Sterist> towards the bottom, in the "Manipulation Methods" area, could someone please confirm if "number of non-HPA visible sectors" means "usable area" or "reserved area"
[10:28] <Sterist> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_protected_area
[10:29] <Sterist> pretty sure it means "usable" but.... just want to be sure....
[10:29] <Sterist> wording could have been better.
[10:31] <TJ-> Sterist: the number of sectors NOT in the protected area
[10:32] <Sterist> righto. time to give it a shot
[10:35] <Barones> Thanks gpunk and TJ- , I could pair with smartphone just now, honestly don't know why, since I couldn't before. I thought that linux-firmware was loading a different firmware to BT chipset, I'll keep doing more tests with other devices
[10:36] <TJ-> Barones: interference from WiFi devices possibly? is a BT-coexist option available in the driver?
[10:40] <leagris> Hello, can Canonical devs do something against spammers polluting bug reports? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz-fusion-plugins-main/+bug/183685
[10:42] <gpunk> :)
[10:42] <Barones> TJ-: maybe, honestly I dont know which spectrum freq BT works on. I can't say for sure about coexist, I didn't see anything like that on logs and commands outputs
[10:42] <emilsp> what command do I run to upgrade from 18.04 to 18.10
[10:42] <dziegler> TJ-: I used a new Xenial Box on DigitalOcean now. "apt-get install ubuntu-dev-tools && pbuilder-dist xenial create" runs into the exact same issue. So there needs to be someting broken in the current stable release
[10:42] <lissyx> hey hello
[10:43] <lissyx> dumb question about apport-collect: I'm facing the same issue as described in this bug, and trying to use "apport-collect" to help with it fails: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1799007/comments/6
[10:43] <lissyx> it does fail stating I'm not the one who reported the issue, nor I did subscribe to the bug
[10:44] <lissyx> which I did (I think? I replied and I ticked the "it does affects me")
[10:44] <lissyx> I've already regenerated credentials multiple times as well
[10:44] <Barones> TJ-: that's dmesg output - https://pastebin.com/k153jcdD
[10:45] <drogasW> where does export write? I tried checking .bashrc but could not find it there
[10:45] <drogasW> is there a way to check where it is exported to?
[10:46] <dziegler> drogasW: Does you mean "export FOO=bar" ?
[10:46] <drogasW> dziegler: that does me mean yes
[10:47] <dziegler> drogasW: Exports just define a variable in the users environment. It gets not saved to a file by default
[10:48] <drogasW> not sure what you mean but in the past when I have run export foo=bar or similar it would usually show up in .bashrc, but not on my current workstation (xubuntu) so not sure where it is
[10:48] <gpunk> you mean .bash_history ?
[10:52] <drogasW> no I mean where does export export it to? so last time when I installed anaconda, it was in /etc/bash.bashrc for some reason, i moved the snippet to .bashrc though cause I want it to be in user env.
[10:53] <gpunk> you are confused, command shells never endup in .bashrc
[10:53] <emilsp> what command do I run to upgrade from 18.04 to 18.10
[10:53] <drogasW> but now, during installation of PETSc I did export PETSC_DIR=$PWD PETSC_ARCH=gnu-dbg but cannot see it anywhere
[10:53] <gpunk> they endup in .bash_history
[10:53] <emilsp> do I have to click gui buttons or what?
[10:54] <drogasW> gpunk: mnnnn maybe...
[10:54] <drogasW> so how can I add it to my path?
[10:54] <dziegler> drogasW: vim ~/.bashrc
[10:54] <emilsp> I really want to upgrade to 18.10 from my 18.04 VM, I'd want to know what exactly do I do to make that happen
[10:54] <gpunk> editmanually .bashrc
[10:54] <emilsp> could anyone here help me with that?
[10:55] <gpunk> and relogon ir type "source .bashrc"
[10:56] <dziegler> emilsp: For Ubuntu Server use: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html.en For GUI Ubuntus go with the GUI tool...
[10:57] <dziegler> TJ-: Any ideas on how to solve the builder issue? I could also add your public key to to digital ocean box...
[10:58] <emilsp> dziegler: is there a difference between a gui install and a server one?
[10:59] <emilsp> do-release-upgrade doesn't upgrade anything, no new release was found.
[11:00] <emilsp> An unrelated question - do all flavours for a given release run dnsmasq?
[11:02] <Obscenity> you know what grinds my gears, when channels send messages to Status, instead of in the channel
[11:04] <Obscenity> anyways does anyone know, if im not coming from a 17.x upgrade, how do i nuke gnome on 18.x
[11:05] <gpunk> your question is unclear
[11:05] <emilsp> gpunk: which question?
[11:05] <gpunk> "anyways does anyone know, if im not coming from a 17.x upgrade, how do i nuke gnome on 18.x"
[11:05] <emilsp> yea, fair.
[11:06] <dziegler> emilsp: what does "lsb_release -d" output?
[11:06] <emilsp>  Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
[11:06] <emilsp> Do LTS releases only upgrade to other LTS releases?
[11:07] <Obscenity> gpunk, i mean remove the new interface and put unity back on a fresh install, because i know how on an upgrade from 17.x but otherwise no
[11:08] <dziegler> emilsp: yes, check the file /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[11:08] <gpunk> Obscenity: uninstall gnome ans install unity ...
[11:09] <Obscenity> if i unistall gnome, wont i get a grey screen with an x for a cursor, and not be able to do anything?
[11:09] <gpunk> do it from a text-console
[11:09] <emilsp> dziegler: thanks :)
[11:10] <emilsp> Obscenity: install lightdm and xfce, `systemctl disable gdm; systemctl enable lightdm` and reboot
[11:10] <gpunk> or install  unity, test it, then uninstall gnome
[11:10] <Obscenity> like Ctrl-Alt+F2? or like Ctrl-Alt+T
[11:10] <gpunk> ct alt fx
[11:10] <Obscenity> okie, thanks
[11:10] <emilsp> no, like just disable the gdm service, it will not get started on next boot. And just enable another display manager service.
[11:26] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:31] <Sterist> all appears to go well with the hdparm command, and poling the detection afterwards confirms HPA is active, but gparted shows no change and after reboot, hdparm doesn't see the change either.
[11:35] <Sterist> change not seen by Ubuntu or Windows post-reboot, and not visible to anything except for hdparm pre-reboot.
[11:35] <Sterist> quite a placebo
[11:41] <TJ-> dziegler: have you made any progress? I've been out running
[11:48] <Sterist> seems gparted might have reported ...not necessarily incorrect... but partial info, but I don't know if this is the cause of this issue. just my suspicion. gparted doesn't tell the user the sector size listed is logical and not physical
[11:49] <Sterist> the number I used in the hdparm command was based on logical (512) but not the Advanced Format standard (physical of 4092)
[11:50] <Sterist> so I think in this case, the command I issued technically should have the hard drive now thinking it's 8x bigger than it actually is, and thus, some kind of safety kicked in and prevented the change...? I really don't know. shot in the dark.
[11:51] <TJ-> Sterist: the -N by default (as man hdparm says) only affects the temproary in-memory setting
[11:52] <TJ-> Sterist: as the man-page says for "-N": "... To  change the permanent (non-volatile) value, prepend a leading p character immediately before
[11:52] <TJ->               the first digit of the value.
[11:54] <tamarind>  hey guys, trying to run nowx via wine on ubuntu 16, 32 bit. installation  completed succesfully, when i try to open the app, i receive a wine error saying that the "QMEmulator has encountered a serious problem and needs to close"
[11:54] <Sterist> I did. "hdparm --yes-i-know-what-im-doing -N p########## /dev/sdX"  is the format I used
[11:54] <tamarind> When i click on show details, it just hangs - kindly help on how to debug this
[11:59] <Obscenity> tamarind ask #winehq
[12:00] <tamarind> thank you Obscenity
[12:07] <TJ-> Sterist: you should be able to tell the number to use based on the reported HPA count and the reported size of the device (divide the size by the count)
[12:11] <Sterist> the "get" (check / audit) command reports back that the HPA is active and correct as I "set" it and the process of setting it gave me zero errors of any kind (or destruction of hardware lol) yet, before reboot only hdparm can see it and after, nada.
[12:12] <Sterist> "get" = hdparm -N /dev/sdb
[12:13] <Sterist> "set" = command as demonstrated in message about 10min ago
[12:13] <Sterist> "sudo" was used, of course.
[12:15] <Obscenity> hands up who says "sudo" as "sue doe" o/
[12:16] <Sterist> maybe incompatible with certain brands? idk if the firmware on hard drives it interacts with is standardized or subject to proprietary locks
[12:17] <Sterist> the fun is in the hunt.
[12:18] <TJ-> Sterist: maybe youu need to check the manual for the specific drive; it may require additional options to hdparm. Is the drive directly connected to the PC on SATA, or via something like a USB<>SATA bridge chip?
[12:20] <Sterist> I prepared for possible USB complications. it's attached via DVD-to-SATA mount (eSATA? not sure of actual term) but every tool I've checked doesn't have any info mentioned regarding the brand of the mount or type of mount
[12:21] <Sterist> dug it out of the ol' curiosity botique adapter box ;)
[12:25] <TJ-> Sterist: what does this show "ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/ | grep sdb"
[12:25] <murii> I removed gcc,g++ 6 from my machine but when I run ldd it says I'm still linking with version 6 even  though I installed 5. When I run cmake it says I'm   using version 5. I guess it's a problem with the ln
[12:27] <Sterist> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 16, Oct 22 05:04 /dev/sdb
[12:32] <Sterist> IRC crashed, if there was a message after my last, I missed it
[12:34] <coconut> Sterist, nope no other messages there.
[12:38] <TJ-> Sterist: the output of the "ls" command I gave should be something similar to "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  9 Oct 19 15:46 pci-0000:00:1f.2-ata-1 -> ../../sda"
[12:38] <dziegler> TJ-: unfortunately no
[12:38] <TJ-> Sterist: it shows the device path - in my example here PCI > (s)ATA > device
[12:39] <TJ-> dziegler: I tried to replicate in a 16.04 LXD container, but it seems deboostrap tries to use 'mknod' by default, and there is no way to tell pbuilder-dist to pass --deboostrapopts (for --variant=fakechroot) !
[12:40] <Doomweaver> hey all. I'm stuck in a tty. gui started getting choppy so I switched to tty4 to check  htop and now ctrl alt f7 does nothing
[12:41] <TJ-> Doomweaver: try switching to tty1 (Alt+F1)
[12:41] <dziegler> TJ-: So your LXC container run into the same issue?
[12:41] <TJ-> dziegler: no, it ran into deboostrap failing to start :)
[12:41] <Doomweaver> TJ-: oh...... who did this -_-
[12:42] <dziegler> TJ-: It feels like, today is the day where i need to replace pbuilder with docker. I postpone that for a year now.
[12:43] <TJ-> Doomweaver: if you're using Gnome, it defaults to tty1
[12:43] <TJ-> Doomweaver: or rather, Gnome Display Manager (gmd3)
[12:43] <Sterist> was I supposed to put something other than "/dev/sdb" or does this mean it's not seen as a "direct" connection? not sure I follow
[12:44] <Sterist> definitely not my learning hat on, and I'm not idle between responses either, but (almost) every step in this is new to me
[12:45] <TJ-> Sterist: the command as I showed it. If there isn't a symlink under /dev/disk/by-path/ that matches that device it suggests udev isn't working correctly or the interface is one it cannot build a symlink for
[12:45] <TJ-> Sterist: show us "pastebinit <( ls -l /dev/disk/by-path )"
[12:47] <Sterist> the drive would be seen as blank / uninitialized, it's current formatting is proprietary and encrypted
[12:47] <Sterist> so, can't go beyond /dev/sdb
[12:47] <Sterist> but there's nothing on it important.
[12:49] <Sterist> oh wait wait... I see, you meant literally to type disk/by-path lol I see now. I interpreted that as a "fill this in with whatever your path is"
[12:49] <TJ-> Sterist: doh !
[12:50] <TJ-> Sterist: the links under /dev/disk/by-*/ are various ways of representing the device - there is by-id, by-path, by-uuid etc
[12:51] <Sterist> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  9 Oct 22 05:04 pci-0000:00:1f.2-ata-2 -> ../../sdb
[12:52] <TJ-> Sterist: OK, so that confirms it is a direct ATA connection, so there's nothing in the way. So you'd need to check the disk's own manual for the precise effect of writing the HPA
[12:55] <Sterist> any harm in commanding device reset?
[12:56] <Sterist> nothing's been written since the HPA command.
[13:03] <TJ-> I don't think so, the OS does that
[13:06] <dziegler> TJ-: Just as an Update, its also broken on Bionic (which make sense, because pbuilder should use the same env)
[13:08] <TJ-> dziegler: building xenial on bionic you mean?
[13:08] <dziegler> Running "pbuilder-dist xenial create" in bionic
[13:11] <TJ-> dziegler: trying it here
[13:12] <Sterist> found another discussion that pointed to built-in "security mode" being frozen but when that person managed to unfreeze, changes still didn't stick, so, I'm going to call it a day n dig dig dig tomorrow. as always, thanks again TJ :)
[13:17] <Sophia> Hi. Is there a "free cloud desktop" of ubuntu?
[13:18] <craigbass76> I've got bidirectional shared clipboard and drag&drop enabled in Oracle VM, but can't copy/paste to the Windows 10 running in VM still. Anyone else had this problem?
[13:20] <dziegler> craigbass76: Did you installed "VirtualBox Guest Additions" in the VM?
[13:21] <craigbass76> dziegler, No. Is that something I do in VirtualBox itself, or the Windows instance that's running in it?
[13:22] <dziegler> craigbass76: You need to install them inside the VM
[13:22] <dziegler> https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E36500_01/E36502/html/qs-guest-additions.html
[13:22] <elektromacumba> hello, i'm under ubuntu 18.04.1 x86 and i'd like to customixe my initrd.img.*, but it's not in the usual format like in x64 version, the "file" command say "ASCII cpio archive (SVR4 with no CRC)" instead of classic gzip/cpio format
[13:22] <elektromacumba> there is a way to unpack and customize it?
[13:23] <dziegler> craigbass76: Maybe you need to download the iso image https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads and mount it via virtualbox into the CDROM of the virtual maschin
[13:24] <Sophia> any recommendation about my question?
[13:26] <core7> is there a way to send a current process to background and be able to kill the terminal without killing the process?
[13:26] <craigbass76> dziegler, not sure. I just spent a few minutes looking for a devices manu that isn't there -- needs to be turned on I guess. :P
[13:27] <craigbass76> dziegler, Ahh, except it's still not there. Pffft.
[13:30] <craigbass76> dziegler, nevermind -- doesn't show up if I'm in scale mode... It'Crue song -- I'm on my way!
[13:31] <craigbass76> Motley Crue ^^
[13:33] <dziegler> Sophia: What is a "Free cloud desktop"?
[13:34] <dziegler> core7: i don't think so
[13:45] <elektromacumba> no one can help me with initrd?
[13:46] <ledeni> elektromacumba: check #ubuntu-kernel
[13:47] <lapion> I am wondering in howfar the liblivemedia vulnerability CVE-2018-4013 applies to the version in ubuntu 18.04 and 18.10
[13:49] <lotus|NUC> lapion: perhaps ask in #ubuntu-hardened
[13:49] <cyanide> i'm running 'wl' driver for my broadcom BCM4532 802.11ac card. i want to set up hostapd but it apparently doesn't support this driver. how do i figure out which driver to use and how do i install it? it shows "Kernel driver in use: wl" and "Kernel modules: bcma, wl"
[13:49] <cyanide> the wifi card is one of those mini-pcie chips inserted in my motherboard.
[13:50] <LambdaComplex> Where can I find the kernel configurations that are used for the stock Ubuntu kernels?
[13:52] <cyanide> LambdaComplex, it should be in /boot/config-<insert kernel version>
[13:52] <lapion> It appears to eb a remote execution vulnerability..
[13:53] <teward> lapion: #ubuntu-hardened is the home of the Security team.  they'd be the most qualified to address questions related to specific CVE statuses in Ubuntu
[13:53] <lotus|NUC> lapion: it looks recent so, they might be still working on it
[13:53] <LambdaComplex> cyanide: lemme fire up a VM and look there
[13:54] <teward> lapion: i've proxied the request to the Security team to see if it's on the list of things they still have to examine for impact first, i'll let you know if I hear anything, but it's one of a list of CVEs I'm looking for data on (so I might forget oops)
[13:54] <lapion> ah okay.. becuase I saw that debian sid was patched.. but anyhow will look into ubuntu-hardened
[13:54] <mgedmin> lapion: have you checked the CVE tracker? https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/
[13:54] <teward> mgedmin: not listed yet (I checked)
[13:55] <lapion> mgedmin, thank you .. not even on the radar..
[13:55] <teward> lapion: or, possibly not triaged yet.
[13:55] <teward> (which has to happen first)
[13:57] <LambdaComplex> cyanide: yep, it's there. thanks
[14:16] <cyanide> any help? i'm trying to get hostapd working on my bcm4532 wireless card, but it doesn't support the 'wl' driver.
[14:25] <TJ-> dziegler: I think I've figured oout your problem; there are packages in xenial-proposed that depend on pther packages that haven't yet arrived in -proposed. A standard "pbuilder create xenial /pbuilder update doesn't hit the issue
[14:34] <TJ-> dziegler: I used raw "pbuilder create xenial", then "pbuilder exec xenial", added the xenial-prposed component, and it triggers the same conflicts
[14:42] <NonSaprei> patate
[14:42] <NonSaprei> patate
[14:42] <NonSaprei> patate
[14:42] <NonSaprei> patate
[14:42] <NonSaprei> patate
[14:53] <dziegler> TJ-: Sorry was in a meeting...
[14:54] <dziegler> TJ-: Interesting, thanks for your help mate! What is the difference between pbuilder and pbuilder-dist? Im not used to this topic
[14:59] <TJ-> dziegler:  pbuilder-dist can be symlinked to call for particular release-arch combinations. If you call it with "--updates-only" it won't use -proposed and you'll be fine
[15:05] <dziegler> TJ-: Tests are running...
[15:22] <dziegler> TJ-: Finished: SUCCESS! Many thanks - You saved my day!
[15:32] <UberPope> Hiya folks. I'm on my first Ubuntu Server install. I'm  trying to install WEBMIN. When I type: "sudo apt-key add jcameron-key.asc" I get gpg: No vlaid OpenPGP data found.
[15:33] <ducasse> !webmin | UberPope
[15:33] <UberPope> ah!
[15:33] <UberPope> well well!
[15:33] <UberPope> I'm on a fresh install of Ubuntu server 18.04
[15:33] <UberPope> hmmm
[15:34] <UberPope> what replaced it?
[15:34] <OerHeks> we do not recommend webmin, but wget -qO -- http://www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc | sudo apt-key add --  # would the good way to add that key >> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-webmin-on-ubuntu-16-04-xenial-xerus-server.html
[15:34] <ducasse> UberPope: you could try out cockpit, it's in the repos
[15:35] <OerHeks> cockpit +1
[15:35] <OerHeks> Ajenti, Cpanel, Directadmin are an other few options
[15:36] <UberPope> Nice. Thanks.
[15:36] <ducasse> UberPope: or even better, just learn to admin over ssh
[15:36] <OerHeks> have a read & look, https://askubuntu.com/questions/967704/graphical-server-management
[15:36] <mgedmin> fetching gpg keys over plaintext http?  ouch
[15:38] <UberPope> Great. My goal is to have a local ERP on the server for home business/backups and a mastodon distro
[15:38] <mgedmin> cockpit is modern and nice and I would like to recommend it (except I've never tried it, just read about it)
[15:45] <UberPope> cool, will check it out
[15:54] <gpunk> i used it, if i remeber, it is more for monitoring than configuring
[15:55] <gpunk> you can use the dev. edition of zentyal
[16:09] <yelowfish> hi all.. im trying to apply modprobe iwlwifi 11n_disable=1 .. but it says : rmmod: ERROR: Module iwlwif is not currently loaded..
[16:11] <gpunk> did modprobe it ?
[16:11] <gpunk> you*
[16:12] <gpunk> can you post your dmesg ?
[16:14] <yelowfish> 1 moment
[16:22] <tomreyn> in case they return: the error message suggests a typo ("iwlwif") on the modprobe command.
[16:24] <TJ-> tomreyn: no, that was a typo in reporting the message. The command itself comes from /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf, and the 'remove iwlifi ..." command that calls lsmod > grep > xargs > rmmod to remove the dependant modules first
[16:24] <TJ-> grr, s/iwlifi/iwlwifi/
[16:26] <tomreyn> TJ-: thanks
[16:37] <lunorian> I noticed the Ubuntu 18.10 build has better Wi-Fi support for my device, however I want to stay on LTS. Is there a way to request Wi-Fi improvements to be backported?
[16:38] <tomreyn> there'll be !hwe kernels in 18.04 startnig february, supposedly. if you want to try them earlier, you can enable !proposed
[16:39] <lunorian> tomreyn: So this feburary improvements will be backported? I don't mind waiting a bit.
[16:39] <TJ-> lunorian: the 4.18 packages in bionic-proposed are linux-image-{generic,lowlatency}-hwe-edge
[16:39] <lunorian> and how would I revert if they cause a problem?
[16:40] <lunorian> what's the difference between generic and low latency?
[16:40] <TJ-> lunorian: sorry, missed out the release number: linux-image-{generic,lowlatency}-hwe-18.04-edge
[16:40] <tomreyn> lunorian: you'd apt purge the hwe-edge packages and reboot
[16:40] <tomreyn> (and optionally disable 'proposed')
[16:40] <lunorian> Ubuntu 18.10 has some breaking GNOME bugs
[16:40] <TJ-> lunorian: generic uses cooperative multitasking, lowlatency uses preemptive
[16:41] <lunorian> causing frequent crashes
[16:41] <lunorian> So I can't just update ahead of time
[16:41] <lunorian> other than the new hwe kernels
[16:41] <lunorian> Is there a way to make grub display a list of available kernels?
[16:41] <lunorian> And let me select on boot?
[16:41] <lunorian> before entering luks password
[16:41] <TJ-> lunorian: it already will do; just tap Esc key at boot time
[16:42] <TJ-> lunorian: the "Advanced >" sub-menu lists them
[16:42] <lunorian> can I do that by default
[16:42] <lunorian> instead of having to press escae
[16:42] <lunorian> escape*
[16:43] <TJ-> lunorian: show the menu? yes, you can change the setting in /etc/default/grub; remove GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true
[16:43] <tomreyn> i think it's GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=menu
[16:43] <TJ-> lunorian: with those gone it'll wait for "GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT seconds then boot the default entry, but will show you the menu
[16:44] <TJ-> tomreyn: that should be the default shouldn't it? I don't see it in my config anyhow
[16:44] <tomreyn> TJ-: default is GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden
[16:44] <TJ-> lunorian: after making changes to that file "sudo update-grub" to write them to GRUB's config
[16:44] <tomreyn> either your or my /etc/default/grub seems to be outdated
[16:45] <lunorian> well enabled and updated to proposed
[16:45] <lunorian> lets reboot and see if my system is broken or not
[16:45] <lunorian> i only see 4.15 kernels though
[16:46] <lunorian> not a 4.18
[16:46] <tomreyn> TJ-: looks liek yours is outdated ;-)
[16:46] <tomreyn> lunorian: grub only lists kernels which are installed on your system
[16:46] <lunorian> 4.15.0-38 instead of 4.15.0-36
[16:46] <lunorian> no in the software updater
[16:47] <lunorian> of updates which are installing
[16:47] <tomreyn> lunorian: to get the 4.18 kernel you'd still need to apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04-edge
[16:48] <lunorian> oh okay
[16:48] <lunorian> thanks for clarifying
[16:48] <lunorian> and anything I need to do with grub
[16:48] <lunorian> to make it boot that kernel
[16:48] <tomreyn> lunorian: grub will boot the highest versioned kernel by default.
[16:49] <lunorian> okay coolio
[16:49] <lunorian> and if it breaks anything press escape and boot an older kernel?
[16:49] <tomreyn> update-grub is automatically run as a post-installation hook when you install keernel image packages
[16:49] <lunorian> ok
[16:49] <tomreyn> lunorian: correct, you can press escape and choose a different kernel from 'advanced' if 4.18 wont boot
[16:50] <TJ-> tomreyn: not outdated; just the former format. It's still handled. The default when there is noo HIDDEN is: "# No hidden timeout, so treat as GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=menu"
[16:51] <tomreyn> TJ-: sorry, i should have said 'deprecated'
[16:51] <TJ-> I run my own grub packages anyhow so what Ubuntu does doesn't affect me
[16:52] <tomreyn> this seems to be an upstream change
[16:52] <tomreyn> https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/html_node/Simple-configuration.html
[16:54] <TJ-> that details the keys I mentioned :)
[16:55] <tomreyn> yes, and it adds: "This option is unset by default, and is deprecated in favour of the less confusing ‘GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=countdown’ or ‘GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden’."
[16:57] <holden> Hi guys, I'm using Ubuntu 18.04.1... could anyone confirm that if you go to Setting->Sound->Test Speakers you can actually hear something?
[17:05] <tomreyn> holden: works for me.
[17:06] <CookieM> yes, I can hear a female voice speaking: front left, front right
[17:06] <tomreyn> holden: i have a usb headset, though, which doesn't always work as sound in- and output, though, and then obviously the test fails, too.
[17:07] <gpunk> usb sound devices, are "a sound card" , make sure you select it as the default sound device
[17:08] <tomreyn> i did, on GUI, but PA kept using the other sound devices.
[17:08] <gpunk> hmm
[17:09] <tomreyn> also manually switching the output channel of applications to the headphone has no effect when this happens, sound keeps coming out of the previous default output.
[17:10] <tomreyn> i should probably file a bug if there isnt one
[17:14] <holden> hmm, strange, it does not work for me and I don't know why... sound works tho
[17:15] <TJ-> holden: do you have "alsa-utiils" installed?
[17:15] <TJ-> holden: typo... "alsa-utils"
[17:16] <holden> yes TJ-, version 1.1.3-1ubuntu1
[17:22] <TJ-> holden: I was wondering if the command-line version works, e.g: "speaker-test -D front -t wav -c 2"
[17:36] <holden> TJ-, yes, it works
[17:37] <TJ-> holden: so it seems like a GUI-only issue, unless the GUI now works. Are you trying to test to the same set of speakers as just worked?
[17:38] <netcrash> Hello , I'm trying to compile the kernel 4.18 and I get the issue "flex: -Cf/-CF and %option yylineno are incompatible" any ideas on how to solve this?
[17:39] <holden> TJ-, yes, testing to the same speakers, I have only one set here
[17:40] <OerHeks> netcrash, how do you build the kernel, with the stuff from mainline??
[17:40] <TJ-> holden: not sure why that is; I assume you're using Gnome shell desktop?
[17:41] <netcrash> OerHeks, I downloaded the kernel from kernel.org , used sudo make menuconfig after I uncompressed it
[17:41] <holden> TJ-, correct
[17:41] <OerHeks> netcrash, i would no do that, use the mainline kernel and build scripts
[17:41] <OerHeks> !mainline
[17:41] <OerHeks> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[17:42] <TJ-> netcrash: did you install the build dependencies? Sounds like you're missing bison at least
[17:42] <Hamilton> Does Ubuntu's vim repo, have clipboard? Can u guys confirm clipboard works in your vim>
[17:42] <netcrash> TJ-, going to see what the deps are ...
[17:43] <holden> TJ-, all this started because I cannot hear the terminal bell when I open a terminal and press backspace
[17:43] <TJ-> holden: have you tried with a clean new user profile, to find out if it is a per-user config issue?
[17:44] <TJ-> netcrash: if you were building from the Ubuntu source you'd do "sudo apt-get build-dep linux" which would install all the required packages
[17:44] <ioria> holden, is that a standard install ?  i mean ,did you remove some pkgs ?
[17:46] <holden> TJ-, can try later. ioria, yes, standard install
[17:47] <ioria> holden, check if libcanberra-pulse  is correctly installed
[17:48] <TJ-> holden: check logs too
[17:49] <Friberg> Just upgraded an old 16.04 to 18.04.. DNS is not working anymore, seems that systemd-resolved doesn't want to respond at all to queries, even though status tells me that we've got the correct upstream servers configured.. Are there known issues with systemd-resolved?
[17:50] <ddybing> So, what do y'aø
[17:50] <ddybing> lol
[17:50] <ddybing> So, what do you y'all think of 18.10?
[17:51] <tomreyn> ddybing: polls are better in #ubuntu-discuss
[17:51] <ddybing> Ah, sorry.
[17:51] <ddybing> thanks
[17:51] <holden> ioria, libcanberra-pulse:amd64                    0.30-5ubuntu1
[17:51] <holden> TJ-, any suggestion on what log I could check?
[17:52] <tomreyn> Friberg: there are occasional reports here about systemd-resolved not working properlöy / reliably, usually those are related to docker, though, and it's a docker issue then.
[17:52] <TJ-> holden: if you're using Xorg session, then $HOME/.xsession-errors otherwise a general "journalctl"
[17:52] <Friberg> tomreyn: Don't have docker on this node
[17:53] <tomreyn> Friberg: have you tried restarting the service, checked syslog and dmesg?
[17:53] <TJ-> Friberg: will "systemd-resolve somename.com" report correctly?
[17:53] <Friberg> Yep, haven't digged that much into systemd though
[17:53] <Friberg> TJ-: i'll check
[17:54] <tomreyn> see also --status, --flush-caches and --reset-server-features
[17:54] <tomreyn> and --statistics
[17:55] <netcrash> TJ-, installed kernel-package and flex , now it's working
[17:55] <Friberg> TJ-: Yep, it resolves correctly
[17:56] <Friberg> netstat tells me systemd-resolve is listning to 127.0.0.53:53, nslookup google.com 127.0.0.53 doesn't respond (connection timed out)
[17:56] <Hamilton> guys, what vim have u installed and does it have +clipboard?
[17:58] <TJ-> Friberg: but system-resolve google.com did ?
[17:58] <Friberg> Yep
[18:00] <TJ-> Friberg: as far as I recall, nslookup will use glibc's nsswitch, so see what the "hosts" line in /etc/nsswitch.conf shows
[18:00] <Friberg> hosts: files dns
[18:02] <TJ-> Friberg: I think I'm wrong too; nslookup does use resolveconf
[18:02] <TJ-> Friberg: as tomreyn said, try "systemd-resolve --status"
[18:02] <TJ-> Friberg: you might see something there to give a clue
[18:03] <Friberg> not sure what I'm looking for, global configuration has dns-servers configured, and it looks fine
[18:03] <Friberg> And it works fine (as systemd-resolve google.com works fine)
[18:04] <TJ-> Friberg: do you see the upstream DNS servers listed?
[18:04] <Friberg> Yep
[18:04] <qwebirc56669>  i just upgraded to 18.04.1
[18:05] <TJ-> Friberg: is so, try "nslookup google.com <upstream-DNS-IP>"
[18:05] <qwebirc56669> lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description:    Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS Release:        18.04 Codename:       bionic
[18:05] <qwebirc56669> now if i do sh test.sh i get
[18:05] <Friberg> TJ-: also works fine
[18:05] <qwebirc56669> test.sh: rename: not found
[18:05] <qwebirc56669> somehow is "sh" foked up in 18.04.1 ?? o.o
[18:05] <qwebirc56669> i cand do call php in *.sh file :/
[18:05] <qwebirc56669> none loading in *.sh :/
[18:05] <qwebirc56669> help me pls
[18:05] <qwebirc56669> :(
[18:05] <TJ-> Friberg: so when nslookup tries to talk to the local system-resolved on 127.0.0.53 it seems to fail, but calling systemd-resolve works fine. Hmmm!
[18:07] <Friberg> I'm guessing systemd-resolve <host> doesn't go over ip to systemd-dns-serverthingy.. so something when systemd-resolve listens to 127.0.0.53:53 it is somehow not actually getting the queries in correctly.
[18:07] <Friberg> And this was running 16.04 default settings before.
[18:09] <qwebirc56669> pleasee :(
[18:09] <tomreyn> qwebirc56669: we cannot know what test.sh is or does. to get the lsb_release command, install the 'lsb-release' package
[18:10] <qwebirc56669> for example calling simple php script
[18:10] <JadedJ> Hi
[18:10] <qwebirc56669> in test.sh is php test.php
[18:10] <qwebirc56669> it wont loading at all :(
[18:10] <tomreyn> qwebirc56669: to run a php scriupt, you need php installed.
[18:10] <qwebirc56669> before in 16.04 it worked
[18:10] <TJ-> Friberg: let's grab some trace info: "pastebinit <( strace -f nslookup google.com )"
[18:10] <JadedJ> How can I get the PID of the command 'foo' being run by user 'foo'?
[18:11] <qwebirc56669> no i am running it in *.sh script ;) its "included" in *.sh script like php /pathto/file.php
[18:11] <tomreyn> qwebirc56669: is php-cli or php7.2-cli installed?
[18:11] <qwebirc56669> yes :)
[18:11] <qwebirc56669> thats the problem
[18:11] <qwebirc56669> and bash wont loading also rename function
[18:11] <qwebirc56669> or even basename :(
[18:11] <TJ-> JadedJ: "pgrep -u foo foo"
[18:12] <Friberg> TJ-: pastebinit seems to use dns ;)
[18:12] <TJ-> Friberg: oh %^&*^!
[18:12] <Friberg> :D
[18:12] <tomreyn> qwebirc56669: what'S the output of: readlink -f /bin/sh
[18:12] <Friberg> I can just dump it to file, then change manually
[18:12] <Friberg> 2 sec
[18:13] <platzhirsch> I have to say, Ubuntu 18.10 with Gnome 3.30 looks slick. Very fluid, positively surprised
[18:13] <TJ-> Friberg: let's grab some trace info: "strace -f nslookup google.com | nc 5.39.93.71 9999" (that is the termbin.com IPv4 address
[18:13] <qwebirc56669> its /bin/dash
[18:13] <tomreyn> qwebirc56669: what'S the output of: echo $SHELL
[18:13] <Friberg> TJ-: cool :P
[18:13] <qwebirc56669> "/bin/bash"
[18:14] <tomreyn> qwebirc56669: what does this return? which basename
[18:14] <qwebirc56669> somehow sh cant access even folders
[18:14] <qwebirc56669> permission denied i didnt changed nothing :(
[18:14] <Friberg> TJ-: anyway to see that output now? :P
[18:14] <qwebirc56669> "/usr/bin/basename"
[18:15] <TJ-> Friberg: did you get a link back?
[18:15] <tomreyn> qwebirc56669: "permission denied" is the result of doing what?
[18:15] <qwebirc56669> for example chmoding
[18:15] <Friberg> TJ-: :O not that I can see
[18:15] <qwebirc56669> bash doing like cant see the folders
[18:15] <qwebirc56669> it exists
[18:15] <TJ-> Friberg: ok, it should have given you a URL to view the output as HTML
[18:15] <Friberg> darn
[18:15] <TJ-> Friberg: I guess they're configured the server only to respond to hostnames
[18:16] <qwebirc56669> chmod: cannot access '/home/files/*': No such file or directory ... but i can cd it
[18:16] <qwebirc56669> bash cant
[18:16] <Friberg> easiely fixed if so
[18:16] <Friberg> but no, it was not the case.. I tried something else and that worked.
[18:16] <TJ-> Friberg: oh, I know, hang on. lets add paste.ubuntu.com to the system /etc/hosts temporarily
[18:16] <tomreyn> qwebirc56669: what does this return?  basename .
[18:16] <tomreyn> dont miss the dot
[18:16] <Friberg> not the problem.. tried with echo "whatever" | nc ... and it works
[18:16] <qwebirc56669> "."
[18:16] <qwebirc56669> just dot
[18:17] <tomreyn> qwebirc56669: so basename works fine
[18:17] <qwebirc56669> but on bash script it wont
[18:17] <TJ-> Friberg: oh, hmm, oh! maybe the stderr needs redirecting!
[18:17] <qwebirc56669> like ot wont even exists
[18:17] <tomreyn> qwebirc56669: can you share the script?
[18:17] <Friberg> TJ-: just did that ;)
[18:17] <qwebirc56669> sure
[18:17] <Friberg> TJ-: http://termbin.com/23qc
[18:17] <TJ-> Friberg: as in ? "strace -f nslookup google.com |& nc 5.39.93.71 9999"
[18:17] <Friberg> i did 2>&1 | nc
[18:17] <tomreyn> qwebirc56669:  pastebinit /path/to/test.sh
[18:18] <TJ-> Friberg: comparing with a strace here
[18:20] <tomreyn> platzhirsch: glad you like it, you are welcome to repeat this in #ubuntu-release-party
[18:21] <platzhirsch> tomreyn: sorry, everytime I forget this is about technical support, I've already looked for the appropriate channel :)
[18:22] <tomreyn> platzhirsch: i doubt anyone minds a single line of positive feedback here.
[18:32] <TJ-> Friberg:  I can't find anything to explain it aside from saying it looks like nslookup returns extremely quickly, with the ETIMEDOUT error, whereas my test shows it waiting and polling for  the complete reply
[18:32] <Hamilton> How to also install suggested packages using apt
[18:32] <Hamilton> ?
[18:32] <TJ-> Friberg: we tried 'dig google.com @127.0.0.53" with success didn't we?
[18:33] <Friberg> :( I might be better of just disabling systemd-resolve and putting in my dnses manually right now..
[18:33] <Friberg> Yep
[18:33] <Friberg> Well, no
[18:33] <Friberg> not success when trying to reach 127.0.0.53 ever
[18:33] <EliteGod> hello guys. so, I've been messing around with my Xubuntu, I've installed some fonts and now on the login screen, all that I see is squares instead letters. any idea?
[18:33] <TJ-> Friberg: I thought dig worked! if not, then I'm wondering if you've got firewall rules preventing systemd-resolved to do its job
[18:34] <Friberg> TJ-: I get timeout however I try to access 127.0.0.53, dig, nslookup, anything.
[18:34] <Friberg> uhm
[18:34] <Friberg> TJ-: wtf.. Yes
[18:34] <Friberg> firewall
[18:34] <TJ-> Friberg: can you use "dig @ ..." form to the upstream DNS server that systemd-resolve --status reports?
[18:34] <TJ-> Friberg: aha!
[18:35] <Friberg> I had two incoming iptables rules.. flushing iptables and systemd-resolve works..
[18:35] <Friberg> Interesting that it does firewall for loopback.. :P
[18:35] <TJ-> No, loopback was fine
[18:35] <Friberg> Well, 127.0.0.53 then.. still kind of loopback
[18:36] <TJ-> Friberg: at least, the connection from 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.53 was OK, but no response so yes it could be blocking the reply
[18:36] <Friberg> Hm..
[18:38] <Friberg> TJ-: I had to add -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.1 -p udp -m udp --dport 53 -j ACCEPT
[18:38] <Friberg> works fine now.. sorry for taking up your time :O
[18:38] <TJ-> Friberg: is the default policy set to DROP on the INPUT chain?
[18:38] <Friberg> TJ-: yep
[18:38] <TJ-> Friberg: that'd do it :)
[18:39] <Friberg> :)
[18:39] <TJ-> Friberg: most folks add a "-A INPUT -i lo -o lo -j ACCEPT"
[18:39] <Friberg> I've not touched this node in about half a year.. and I remember stuff for about 15 minutes.. :P
[18:39] <Friberg> Sounds like a good plan
[18:40] <TJ-> Poor systemd-resolved getting the blame :D
[18:40] <Friberg> Haha :D
[18:40] <Friberg> Didn't even think of the firewall..
[18:45] <EliteGod> is there any way to restore a Xubuntu installation? I've already deleted more files than I should :x
[18:46] <compdoc> so even elite gods can make mistakes?
[18:47] <EliteGod> everyone makes mistakes. -_-
[18:49] <tgm4883> EliteGod: the restore utility is https://xubuntu.org/download/
[18:50] <EliteGod> seems that I need to reinstall, yeah. I was with such anger that I've 'sudo rm *.ttf .otf
[18:54] <cariveri> Hi. abotu ubuntu 18.04 (upgrade) Did you also notice browser use up a lot of cpu time?
[18:57] <EliteGod> can someone tell me, pls, what's the correct command to make a backup of my home folder?
[18:58] <TJ-> EliteGod: are you saying you've deleted core files that have broken the system?
[18:58] <EliteGod> basically, I've removed all the fonts :x
[18:58] <EliteGod> bad day and now this, I lost my mind
[18:58] <TJ-> EliteGod: but you can work from a text console, not the GUI?
[18:58] <EliteGod> yes, I can
[19:00] <TJ-> EliteGod: you could use the "debsums" tool to discover which files are missing, and feed that into dpkg -S to get the package names, and then do apt install --reinstall <pkg> for that package
[19:04] <monkers> can someone tell me if these errors on the console are normal for a lightly taxed ( < 10% cpu )ubuntu 18 server with a few docker containers?  https://imgur.com/a/a47yccg
[19:06] <tomreyn> monkers: there's not "ubuntu 18", maybe you mean "ubuntu 18.04" or "ubuntu 18.10"? either way, it's not what i'd expect to happen.
[19:07] <Soul_Sample> have no sound after restarting in 18.10, after force alsa reload it comes back. any ideas?
[19:07] <Soul_Sample> my usb headset works, but the main sound card just doesn't get detected
[19:08] <tomreyn> monkers: take a look at top, vmstat. maybe you have elevated 'cpu steal' or i/o latency.
[19:09] <monkers> ok thanks, yah these hosts are on my home esxi box
[19:09] <TJ-> EliteGod: this seems to work: "sudo apt-get install --reinstall $( sudo debsums 2>&1 >/dev/null | awk '/missing file/{print $6}' | sort -u )"
[19:10] <monkers> load average: 11.00, 11.00, 11.00
[19:10] <monkers> thats not good.
[19:12] <holden> TJ-, thanks for your help, I was able to fix the problem. I did update my system and run the following command: rm -rf .config/pulse/ .config/gnome-control-center/ .cache/gnome-control-center/ .local/share/sounds/__custom/ . rebooted and it works :)
[19:13] <Soul_Sample> holden: what was your issue?
[19:13] <TJ-> holden: great; so some per-user cached config then
[19:13] <EliteGod> TJ-: just ran the command now. let's see what happens. if I still see the squares in the login screen, is there any simple fix to that?
[19:14] <rfm> monkers, last time I had a bunch of "hung task" messages it turned out to be a bad memory module (memtest86 found it fast.)
[19:16] <griphook> Hello everybody
[19:19] <TJ-> EliteGod: If you restart the display-manager it should be fine, let us know when you get to that point if there is a problem still
[19:22] <EliteGod> alright, it installed the fonts I've deleted. I've "systemctl restart display-manager" but I still see squares in the login screen
[19:24] <TJ-> EliteGod: does "systemctl status display-manager" reveal any clues?
[19:26] <holden> TJ-, yes, some of those folders had strange permissions...
[19:26] <EliteGod> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5jysS6mm54/
[19:26] <monkers> rfm: ok thanks i will check
[19:30] <TJ-> EliteGod: pam_kwallet5 are expected so you can ignore those. Is it the characters in all text that are blocks?
[19:31] <EliteGod> in the login screen, yes.
[19:31] <TJ-> EliteGod: if you guess and enter your password is the user session OK?
[19:32] <EliteGod> nope. all squares too
[19:32] <TJ-> EliteGod: I'm wondering if you've got a font selected for the greeter that you've actually removed the package for? did you only do "rm files" or did you remove packages "apt remove pkg" as well?
[19:33] <EliteGod> I did just rm the fonts. where do I see the greeter font? can I do that via command line?
[19:37] <TJ-> EliteGod: I wonder if you need to regenerate the font cache. Try "sudo fc-cache --verbose"
[19:38] <EliteGod> doing it now. want me to pipe it to pastebinit?
[19:39] <TJ-> EliteGod: no, you can watch it
[19:39] <balsaq> what is the best free VM in the gnome -software
[19:39] <TJ-> EliteGod: it is the usual cause of this kind of 'blocks' issues
[19:40] <TJ-> balsaq: define 'best'? Linux has KVM built-in useed by QEMU, which is generally operated through libvirt and the virt-manager GUI
[19:41] <EliteGod> TJ-: it basically skipped all fonts with "existing cache is valid ..."
[19:41] <TJ-> EliteGod: hmmm! well that is good news in a way :)
[19:42] <EliteGod> at least, terminal displays text
[19:43] <TJ-> EliteGod: did you recently change the GUI font configuration?
[19:44] <EliteGod> honestly, I don't remember, but I don't think so.
[19:44] <TJ-> EliteGod: We should test if a new user account sees the same issue, so do "sudo adduser test" ... and once created, restart the display-manager and login as user 'test'
[19:44] <TJ-> EliteGod: this will also tell us if the problem is definitely system-wide
[19:45] <EliteGod> phone. brb
[19:45] <TJ-> EliteGod: which desktop session are you using, Xubuntu, Gnome?
[19:48] <EliteGod> back. TJ- I'm using the default one, so I assume Xubuntu?
[19:48] <TJ-> EliteGod: The default for Ubuntu is Gnome, the Xubuntu flavour uses XFCE. I ask since you have lightdm DM, whereas default Ubuntu uses gdm3
[19:49] <TJ-> EliteGod: how did this font display issue start? is it a result of you deleting font files, or did you do that when this started?
[19:51] <EliteGod> i did that when it started. I've installed a few fonts in order to display emojis properly in Chromium (from a webchat) and then this happened. I've copied several fonts from Google Noto to /usr/share/fonts/opentype/noto/
[19:51] <EliteGod> and seems it's a system wide issue. the new user has the same font issue
[19:51] <TJ-> EliteGod: OK, let's check the greeter to begin with, ensure it is set to use an installed font. show me "pastebinit <( grep -arn ^font-name /etc/lightdm ; fc-list )"
[19:53] <EliteGod> alright. just a second please
[19:54] <EliteGod> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XmW8mBMqp8/
[19:59] <TJ-> EliteGod: so no font-name selected in /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf so it presumably picks some 'default' in some way. On my system there are 124 font files; yours has over 2100! Also, mine are all truetype (from fonts-noto-hinted) whereas yours are mostly opentype (from fonts-noto-cjk)
[19:59] <TJ-> EliteGod: has the system run out of space!? "df -h; df -i "
[20:00] <EliteGod> nope, I have plenty of space: /dev/sda6        6,7M  501K  6,2M    8% /
[20:03] <TJ-> EliteGod: 6,7M ? M?????
[20:04] <EliteGod> the "df -h": /dev/sda6       105G   25G   75G  25% /
[20:04] <TJ-> EliteGod: phew!! you had me worried there
[20:05] <TJ-> oh, the first was the inodes :D
[20:06] <EliteGod> the 1st was "df -h -i"
[20:06] <EliteGod> :x
[20:06] <banyantree> q/quit
[20:07] <TJ-> EliteGod: we'd best look at the logs: "pastebinit <( journalctl --since=today )"
[20:09] <EliteGod> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CbVK5DP226/
[20:13] <TJ-> EliteGod: aha! clues at last
[20:14] <TJ-> EliteGod: what does this report: "apt list fonts-noto-hinted"
[20:16] <EliteGod> fonts-noto-hinted/bionic,bionic,now 20171026-2 all [installed]
[20:17] <TJ-> EliteGod: show me "pastebinit <( ls -ld /usr /usr/share /usr/share/fonts /usr/share/fonts/* )"
[20:19] <EliteGod> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zYbK9W3Mpp/
[20:26] <TJ-> EliteGod: from what I'm reading it one cause can be the user doesn't have permisssions to the font files. The directories where they are stored look correct, so I'm digging further
[20:27] <NerdTheThird> there's quite a few bugs in 18.10
[20:27] <NerdTheThird> it's still a solid release
[20:28] <EliteGod> TJ-: isn't that weird? I mean, I've never changed the /usr/share/fonts permissions
[20:28] <TJ-> EliteGod: there's a similar issue here with a screenshot that sounds like what you have described, but it just says "make sure all packages are up to date"  ml
[20:29] <TJ-> EliteGod:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1008723/libreoffice-menu-text-not-displaying-correctly
[20:29] <TJ-> EliteGod: as it affects the lightdm-gtk-greeter we know it is something outside the user $HOME directory too
[20:29] <TJ-> I wonder if we should force-rebuild the font cache
[20:30] <EliteGod> I'm open to any ideas
[20:31] <TJ-> EliteGod: try "sudo fc-cache -rfv" which will delete all cache files and rescan and rebuild
[20:31] <EliteGod> running it now
[20:34] <TJ-> EliteGod: "failed to create cairo scaled font, expect ugly output. the offending font is..." sounds like it could be a problem /writing/ a file, which might be under /var/cache
[20:35] <EliteGod> TJ-: the result of "sudo fc-cache -rfv": https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5q3FcjZM9y/
[20:35] <Tecan> llvm needs javascript support compiled with it to use emscripten
[20:36] <Tecan> maybe someone can file a bug report
[20:38] <TJ-> EliteGod: restart the display-manager and see
[20:39] <EliteGod> TJ-: no changes tho :(
[20:42] <TJ-> EliteGod: hmmm, I'm out of ideas right now. I'm reading your log-file line-by-line :)
[20:43] <Bashing-om> TJ-: EliteGod . Shotgun approach ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup ' ? It would guide you through the steps to choose a font and font-size.
[20:45] <EliteGod> Bashing-om: any advised font?
[20:46] <Bashing-om> EliteGod: Await TJ-'s response . I have no recommendation for your desired font .
[20:48] <frenda> Hey there
[20:48] <EliteGod> well, after the last steps by TJ-, at least some applications do display font properly. but, I still have squares in the greeter and user session
[20:49] <frenda> where can I download an Ubuntu 19.04 nightly image?
[20:50] <Bashing-om> frenda: Not out yet for 19.04 .. give it some more time :)
[20:50] <leftyfb> frenda: 18.10 just came out this weekend. There will be almost no changes to it from 18.10. Why do you think you need 19.04? (also, not supported)
[20:51] <Bashing-om> EliteGod: Seems then to be a system thing rather than just the fonts. I bow to TJ-s skills .
[20:51] <frenda> leftyfb: hmm both 18.04 and 18.10 have some problem in Virtualbox in graphic! I thought it's a chance to try with 19.04
[20:52] <leftyfb> frenda: You won't see any difference between 18.10 and 19.04 even if 19.04 was available. You should try actual troubleshooting as opposed to assuming a newer, less developed, unreleased version is going to solve any of your issues
[20:52] <EliteGod> Bashing-om: thanks anyway. it's very pleasant to have people willing to help noobs like me :)
[20:53] <Bashing-om> EliteGod: We do know how that feels . We too once were new .
[20:55] <TJ-> EliteGod: I'm still researching it :)
[20:58] <TJ-> EliteGod: best I found - but your system doesn't appear to half-installed font files - is this Debian bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=835142
[21:01] <TJ-> EliteGod: can you show me "pastebinit <( sudo find /var/cache/fontconfig -ls )"
[21:02] <EliteGod> sure
[21:02] <EliteGod> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xsCB5rkSd9/
[21:05] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Just curious but what is up with "févr." in the timestamp of several ?
[21:05] <EliteGod> french
[21:05] <EliteGod> february
[21:07] <Bashing-om> EliteGod: and a conflict with the locale - language ?
[21:07] <TJ-> EliteGod: I'm seeing indications this can be caused by a display driver issue, I then re-examined your dmesg and notice it has an Nvidia GPU (10de:06ec) and it fails to assign memory "pci 0000:01:00.0: BAR 6: failed to assign [mem size 0x00020000 pref]" and no sign of either the nouveau or nvidia driver loading. So I suspect that is the prooblem here
[21:08] <TJ-> EliteGod: have you added RAM to this PC recently?
[21:08] <EliteGod> my nvidia card is dead. i'm using the laptop in recovery mode always
[21:08] <TJ-> EliteGod: dead?
[21:08] <TJ-> EliteGod: well that would explain alot, since it'll have to use a software renderer
[21:08] <EliteGod> yes, as it doesn't display anything than a black screen
[21:09] <TJ-> EliteGod: so how to view the output of the X server, or see the greeter ?
[21:09] <EliteGod> and yes, before putting the new HDD I've added 2 4Gb of ram
[21:09] <EliteGod> from 2 to 6Gb
[21:10] <frenda> This video (1MB) shows the problem I'm dealing with in Ubuntu installed in VBox: https://u.teknik.io/hFwwQ.mp4
[21:10] <EliteGod> TJ-: but it was been working well, until today :/
[21:10] <TJ-> EliteGod: if the nvidia is dead how to see anything?
[21:11] <EliteGod> I mean, with Nvidia all I see is a black screen. and not even windows in dual boot (in the older HDD) is displayed
[21:13] <TJ-> EliteGod: ahh, it has an Intel GMA4500MHD as well
[21:13] <cariveri> hi. did anyone else experience slow down under ubuntu 18.04 (upgrade) ?
[21:14] <TJ-> EliteGod: show us "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[21:14] <EliteGod> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xJgYbN6KDh/
[21:17] <tomreyn> cariveri: for polls, you could ask in #ubuntu-discuss or -offtopic. if you have a support question, please ask it here.
[21:17] <cariveri> I dont need a statistic. jsut one who also had that problem :(
[21:18] <TJ-> EliteGod: Do you want the good news or the bad news?
[21:19] <tomreyn> cariveri: an upgrde from what to 18.04?
[21:19] <tomreyn> and what slowed down?
[21:19] <cariveri> tomreyn: from 17.10
[21:20] <tomreyn> which architecture, what are the hardware specifications?
[21:20] <EliteGod> TJ-: both? :x
[21:21] <cariveri> it appearse that video display in the brwoser is sucking up cpu power a lot. I also noticed that chromium as well as firefox do have a lot of threads running. not sure this is normal.
[21:21] <tomreyn> the latter seems normal to me, if "a lot" is < 50
[21:22] <TJ-> EliteGod: The nvidia GPU is in use but because you have "nomodeset" (twice) on the kernel command-line no mode-setting driver is loaded (plus that BAR issue) means the VESA software renderer is loaded
[21:23] <banyantree> cariveri: try vdpauinfo and vainfo to analyze
[21:23] <cariveri> tomreyn: < 20, I think. still 100% two core cpu. where it was about 50% I think.
[21:23] <banyantree> cariveri: and chrome://gpu
[21:23] <tomreyn> cariveri: is your video acceleration still working fine? how much memory is available? how much disk space is left unallocated on your existing file systems?
[21:23] <TJ-> EliteGod: so I think you have 2 issues to deal with. 1) remove nomodeset 2) figure out how to get the GPU's BAR6 mapped
[21:24] <TJ-> EliteGod: the other option is to enter the system's BIOS and disable the discrete nvidia GPU and enable the Intel GMA4500 iGPU
[21:24] <EliteGod> TJ-: I think i cant do the latter
[21:25] <TJ-> EliteGod: for (2) I think adding "pci=realloc" on the kernel command line may well help
[21:25] <TJ-> EliteGod: can you show is "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk )"
[21:26] <EliteGod> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hyTKDp5bSh/
[21:26] <tomreyn> cariveri: pastebinit <(lsb_release -ds; glxinfo -B; free -m; df -h;)
[21:26] <TJ-> EliteGod: that confirms only the nvidia GPU is found. Are you sure it was the nvidia that is broken, and not the Intel iGPU
[21:27] <EliteGod> TJ-: if i boot in normal mode, all i got is a black screen
[21:28] <EliteGod> even with Nvidia drivers installed
[21:28] <cariveri> tomreyn: momory fine, also disk space. graphics card got  new driver from ubuntu 18.04 and is now proprietary.
[21:29] <TJ-> EliteGod: OK, and that may be related to the BAR 6 not being mapped. Do you have openssh-server installed on it, and another PC you can connect to it from?
[21:29] <TJ-> EliteGod: did the nvidia black-screen issue start before or after you added the 4GB RAM ?
[21:29] <tomreyn> cariveri: i can't help without the details, maybe someone else can.
[21:30] <EliteGod> currently all I have is my phone and i do have openssh-server installed
[21:31] <TJ-> EliteGod: Hmmm. When the Aspire boots do you see the BIOS POST displayed or is it black at that point?
[21:31] <EliteGod> i see all until it arrives to the splash screen
[21:31] <EliteGod> *login
[21:32] <EliteGod> and the issue is kinda old
[21:33] <TJ-> EliteGod: Yay! So it is fixable. The nvidia GPU is not broken, just the way the system is configuring is not correct. Most of that likely due to the "BAR 6" issue. So, at boot-time you can enter the Aspire's BIOS set-up screens and switch the VGA output to the Intel iGPU?
[21:33] <EliteGod> I think i cant change that, but i can try
[21:35] <netcrash> Hello, How can I determine the driver being used by my Xorg server=
[21:35] <netcrash> ?
[21:36] <EliteGod> TJ-: I don't see anything related to the VGA
[21:38] <TJ-> EliteGod: I'm looking at the service manual for the 5738. It looks like the only thing relating to VGA is the amount of video memory
[21:40] <tomreyn> netcrash: grep 'loading driver' /var/log/Xorg.*.log
[21:40] <EliteGod> TJ-: indeed. it's the only thing I see
[21:40] <TJ-> EliteGod: ok, my mistake! That model has EITHER the Intel GMA4500 *OR* Nvidia G105M!
[21:41] <TJ-> EliteGod: the other docs I saw listed both as if it were a typical hybrid system.
[21:41] <tomreyn> netcrash: /var/log/gpu-manager.log may also help, "glxinfo -B" for 3d acceleration.
[21:41] <TJ-> EliteGod: right, so, we have an Nvidia G105M
[21:41] <EliteGod> indeed we have that one
[21:42] <TJ-> EliteGod: so, more questions I'm afraid, to narrow things down. Has the 'black screen' always happened, or started after some change ?
[21:42] <EliteGod> after upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04 and after I felt that my laptop was "burning"
[21:43] <TJ-> EliteGod: it was getting too hot in your lap?
[21:44] <EliteGod> it was over a desk, but it even force shutdown. so, I believe that it damaged the graphics card
[21:46] <TJ-> EliteGod: I see. Hmmm. I guess that is possible but it has been working with the VESA driver as you've said so I suspect we may be able to sort it out. In view of that I think the main issue to try to fix is the "BAR 6" issue - do you know what "BAR" is and what it means?
[21:46] <AuroraAvenue> How do I change the attribute of an sdhc 4gb sd-card to write-only instead of wat it is - read-only at moment?
[21:47] <AuroraAvenue> hi Jill
[21:47] <EliteGod> TJ-: no, I don't
[21:49] <EliteGod> TJ-: also, I really must have messed up something in Xubuntu. Ubuntu MATE and Ubuntu Budgie doesn't have the squares issue
[21:49] <TJ-> EliteGod: I'll give you an overview so you understand what we need to do. Every PCI device has its own address space. For a GPU that includes its video-RAM and input/output ports/registers. When the device is initialised the BIOS (or the OS) has to map those into the CPU's address space. The device lists what it needs in terms of size in Base Address Registers (BARs).
[21:50] <TJ-> EliteGod: when the OS cannot find a 'window' in the address space large enough for the request it tries to shuffle other device mappings around to create space but can sometimes fail, as has happened here.
[21:50] <TJ-> EliteGod: we can tell Linux kernel to try harder by passing it the "pci=realloc" parameter
[21:51] <TJ-> EliteGod: so I'm going to suggest we try adding that first and rebooting to check the log files to see if it fixes the BAR issue, then we can move on to the other issues
[21:51] <EliteGod> sure thing. where and what do I need to edit?
[21:53] <AuroraAvenue> sure thing. Is anyone gonna give me a hand here?
[21:53] <netcrash> tomreyn, thank you, how can I make the nouveau card the default to be used?
[21:54] <TJ-> EliteGod: this command will do it for you: "  sudo sed -i 's/^\(GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="\)\(.*\)/\1pci=realloc \2/' /etc/default/grub "  or manually, edit /etc/default/grub and add 'pci=realloc' to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= string -- after that do "sudo update-grub"
[21:56] <TJ-> EliteGod: then check it is correct with "grep CMDLINE_LINUX= /etc/default/grub" -- it'll look something like GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="pci=realloc" (and may have other options such as 'nomodeset' too)
[21:56] <EliteGod> TJ-: okay. doing it right now
[21:57] <TJ-> EliteGod: if all that looks good you can then reboot it and we'll grab the kernel log with "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[21:58] <EliteGod> alright. GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="pci=realloc nomodeset" > seems fine
[21:58] <EliteGod> rebooting
[22:00] <TJ-> EliteGod: I'll get a drink
[22:00] <cariveri> tomreyn: I ran out of time. Ill be on it one other time. thnank you though! :)
[22:01] <AuroraAvenue> that is 15 minutes and I *still* need a-hand to format my sd-card, hey ?
[22:04] <brandwag> https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-to-format-an-sd-card-in-ubuntu
[22:07] <AuroraAvenue> brandwag: doesn't work - none the wiser here. http://pasteall.org/pic/f7944b3ead7b332167bd98c317611a54
[22:08] <EliteGod> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Yprf6pp679/
[22:09] <brandwag> my limited knowledge i would suggest you delete the free space first. i think it would give the opportunity to format that fat system
[22:10] <AuroraAvenue> how do I delete the free space first, be specific?
[22:10] <EliteGod> brb
[22:11] <nshire> how can I check to see if a sata controller detected? not sure if my hdd cable is dead or the controller itself and I'm trying to troubleshoot
[22:12] <TJ-> EliteGod: hmmm, didn't help. I think the issue is the memory it is trying to map is 32-bit (has to be below 4GiB) and because you've added the additional 4GiB of RAM, taking it to 6GiB, there is no free 32-bit address space
[22:12] <AuroraAvenue> TJ - you do this a lot don't you ?
[22:13] <brandwag> have a look at this and see if it helps- https://tecadmin.net/format-usb-in-linux/ // off to bed im driving to a site in a few hours
[22:17] <AuroraAvenue> nobody wants to talk to me today, its always the same!
[22:17] <AuroraAvenue> What is my sdhc card called ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3xHX4BnjDJ/
[22:18] <TJ-> AuroraAvenue: sorry, I'm reading up on options for EliteGod
[22:19] <AuroraAvenue> Ahh - I found it ... https://askubuntu.com/questions/249376/read-only-sd-cards/251047#251047
[22:20] <brandwag> do a df -h -H > your screenshot suggests the sd is 4G. then look for the /dev which is 4G or 3.8G big
[22:21] <duoi> anybody use fastmail and the calendar app?
[22:22] <duoi> for some reason i cant get it to auth
[22:22] <duoi> wondering if there is any hackery i need to do
[22:22] <brandwag> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sPzKCzz5pq/
[22:25] <EliteGod> TJ-: I'm truly sorry, but it's getting very late to me here and I need to wake up in ~6h. perhaps we can resume this tomorrow or something like that?
[22:29] <TJ-> EliteGod: that's fine. There's one test you can do for me. Try taking out that extra 4GiB and booting it, then check the 'dmesg' log - I'm betting you won't see that "BAR 6: failed to assign [mem size 0x00020000 pref]"
[22:29] <TJ-> EliteGod: if that is the case it makes the issue clear
[22:30] <TJ-> EliteGod: if we can prove the display is good when BAR 6 is mapped and the fonts are good again we know we're on the correct track
[22:31] <TJ-> EliteGod: and if you want you can add to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= another option so it reads "pci=realloc,use_crs"
[22:37] <EliteGod> TJ-: the CPU has x64 architecture, the Xubuntu install is x64 and the fonts were being properly displayed before I started to manually copying fonts and such. that's what I found weird. by the manual, this laptop can be upgraded to maximum of 8Gb RAM :/
[22:38] <AuroraAvenue> So i finally got the sdhc card (Micro 4gb sd-card) mounted, but it isn't able to format in gnome-drives or by command line so far, what the hell do I do?
[22:38] <AuroraAvenue> http://pasteall.org/pic/061999dfc3ebe3811da95466e319f8e9
[22:40] <EliteGod> TJ-: I also have Ubuntu MATE and Ubuntu Budgie installed in this laptop (multiboot) and none of the other OS's have this font issue. another weird thing to add to the curriculum :x
[22:40] <AuroraAvenue> back in 4 minutes - please halp me!?!
[22:41] <qwebirc95665> hello, does someone know how i can speify my pyinstaller version?
[22:41] <black_mamba> can you make an evironment variable by concatenating another one or two?
[22:41] <black_mamba> qwebirc95665: I don't know, but you might want to ask in #python?
[22:42] <qwebirc95665> i trried, and i googled, it seems like an deb/ubuntu problem
[22:42] <EliteGod> TJ-: I'm heading out. I really appreciate all the time you've spent with me. feel free to give me more tips in PM if you feel like it.
[22:42] <qwebirc95665> * On Debian/Ubuntu, you would need to install Python development packages   * apt-get install python3-dev   * apt-get install python-dev
[22:43] <rfm> black_mamba, if you mean in shell, something like 'export
[22:44] <rfm> black_mamba, sorry, something like 'export FOO="$BAR$BAZ"
[22:49] <tbenst_> Hello, I'm in a bit of a pickle. I executed "usermod -s fish $USER" but this isn't a registered shell. I can login to ubuntu gui, but cannot access TTY or terminal. alt-f2 does not work. Is there a way to edit /etc/passwd (as root) from the gui? Any other tips to rescue my shell?
[22:52] <SuperLag> tbenst_: no other users that have login access?
[22:53] <tbenst_> unfortunately no
[22:53] <SuperLag> tbenst_: (correct me if I'm wrong, anyone else reading this) but you can probably boot into rescue mode, and mount the fs and change it that way
[22:54] <SuperLag> tbenst_: the way to do that way back when was modify the boot prompt to init=/bin/bash, and you'd drop right to a prompt
[22:54] <SuperLag> but you'd still have to mount the filesystem
[22:54] <tbenst_> SuperLag: ok thx, unless anyone else has an alternate idea I will reboot and give that a go!
[22:54] <Jazzy_J> SuperLag, you are correct.
[22:55] <SuperLag> tbenst_: the other way is to boot from an installer CD, into the GUI, and mount it from there and make the edits you need there
[22:55] <SuperLag> that may be an easier way to go
[22:55] <Jazzy_J> he can chroot to the system from the Live CD
[22:55] <TJ-> tbenst_: can you open a GUI terminal?
[22:56] <SuperLag> TJ-: probably not, since $USER's shell isn't reg'd
[22:56] <tbenst_> TJ-: sadly not
[22:56] <tbenst_> sometimes it flashes on the screen, as if to give me hope ;)
[22:57] <TJ-> tbenst_: doesn't the GUI settings have a user manager? all it needs is a sudo user
[22:57] <tbenst_> gets as far as my keychain outputting / canonical messages sometimes for inexplicable reasons (don't know why bashrc would load at all...)
[22:57] <SuperLag> tbenst_: if you're already in the GUI, can you do Ctrl-Alt-F# and get to a console?
[22:57] <SuperLag> then log in with root (assuming you've set a root password)
[22:57] <Jazzy_J> I <think> you could boot from a live CD, mount the root partition from a terminal on the live CD, then chroot into the old environment.  From there, passwd root  and type in a new password.
[22:58] <tbenst_> TJ-: yes! good thought. I'll create a new user
[22:58] <SuperLag> TJ-++
[22:58] <TJ-> tbenst_: you should just be able to edit your existing... if you create a new user you'd need to add them to 'sudo'
[22:58] <SuperLag> I hadn't thought of that.
[23:00] <tbenst_> TJ-: hurray, fixed!!
[23:00] <TJ-> :)
[23:00] <tbenst_> SuperLag, thx for help as well
[23:00] <tbenst_> (and ty JackH
[23:01] <tbenst_> er Jazzy_J
[23:02] <TJ-> There is another sneaky way... edit the 'default application' path for, say, the terminal, to be a command "pkxec /bin/bash -c 'usermod -s bash $USER' "
[23:02] <TJ-> oops, pkexec
[23:03] <TJ-> you could also create a .desktop file in .local/share/applications/ to do something similar
[23:36] <balsaq> does ubuntu have a default (built in w/o installing)  screen shot ?
[23:40] <nshire> prntscrn
[23:40] <nshire> yes
[23:45] <balsaq> just push my printscreen button on my laptop?
[23:46] <rfm> balsaq, yes.  the screenshot will be saved in the Pictures folder in your home directory
[23:47] <rfm> balsaq, https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/screen-shot-record.html.en
[23:54] <TJ-> hmmm, on Xubuntu I get a prompt on what to do with it, including uploading to imgur
[23:56] <ChetManly> I thinking I'm still lagging on 16.04 but is the whole read/write ufs still a kernel recomplie thing?