[12:40] <akxwi-dave> milamber
[12:41] <akxwi-dave> is what Pug was called on kelewan
[12:42] <akxwi-dave> damn dual screen annoyances.. sorry guys wrong window..
[16:40] <flocculant> knew that anyway :p
[20:15] <ochosi> bluesabre: so both problems, the flickery scrolling in the panel, and the broken scrolling in xfce4-settings-manager with plugs go away with "GDK_CORE_DEVICE_EVENTS=1". i'm wondering if we should push this to x-d-s in 18.10...
[20:34] <brainwash> ochosi: shouldn't that be set for all Xfce?
[20:34] <ochosi> well for the complete session at least i guess...
[20:35] <brainwash> I meant for xubuntu and non xubuntu (but xfce) users
[20:36] <brainwash> in xfce4-settings maybe?
[20:41] <ochosi> not sure
[20:42] <ochosi> but possibly yes
[20:42] <ochosi> i consider this a workaround for our lack of xi2 handling (as i said, not even sure what's needed there, maybe we just need to properly resolve all deprecations)
[21:02] <brainwash> ochosi: would it fix bug 1799255?
[21:03] <brainwash> reported by a Ubuntu Studio user
[21:24] <bluesabre> ochosi: oh wow, yeah, sounds like a 18.10 sru to me
[21:28] <bluesabre> ochosi: I wonder if that causes any bad side effects
[21:29] <ochosi> bluesabre: well the one side effect i would expect is some xinput2 features missing
[21:29] <ochosi> so multitouch and stuff
[21:30] <ochosi> potentially we could also just set the env vars for the panel and settings manager specifically
[21:30] <ochosi> to avoid any potential negative side effects anywhere else
[21:30] <bluesabre> That makes sense
[21:30] <ochosi> but tbh xfce was mostly gtk2 until recently
[21:30] <ochosi> so no xinput2 support anyway...
[21:30] <ochosi> so i generally have two hypotheses:
[21:31] <ochosi> 1) we need to handle xinput2 somehow in our code. (no idea what that would be though)
[21:31] <ochosi> 2) we don't need to handle xinput2 in our code, but we need to resolve all gdkdevice deprecations so it will work properly.
[21:31] <ochosi> i guess we can start with 2) and investigate 1) in parallel
[21:31] <ochosi> it's quite possible that it's a combination also
[21:32] <bluesabre> Sounds reasonable. At least for the embedded plugs, seems like a breakage in general for plugs
[21:49] <ochosi> bluesabre: fwiw, we already enforce that env var in lightdm-gtk-greeter too...
[21:50] <bluesabre> So I see. I wonder if we just need to the it into the affected apps and call it a day
[22:31] <ochosi> bluesabre: for now i would say it's a good start...
[22:55] <Unit193> Oh hah!  That's why I'd never see it, I have that var set in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99unit193 ;P
[23:12] <ochosi> Unit193: haha, sneaky!
[23:14] <Unit193> ochosi: Do you know offhand how to disable smooth scrolling, btw?
[23:23] <ochosi> nope, would have to google too
[23:24] <Unit193> All I'm finding is to turn off animations, which already are. :P