[04:30] <flocculant> ochosi: xfce 14792
[17:42] <ochosi> brainwash: updated with latest findings: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1795135
[17:48] <theta8> Noticed the Desktop Settings application hangs when your xfce4-desktop.xml is 'outdated'
[17:48] <theta8> found this after upgrading my existing install to 18.4.1
[17:49] <theta8> *hangs when after you select a folder to look for images in
[17:53] <theta8> the xml was not malformed so I'm guessing there was a setting in it no longer supported
[17:53] <theta8> I've upgraded my existing install at least two other times prior
[18:30] <flocculant> ochosi: no idea then, normally I'd assume this install was all over the place. But it's pretty much fresh with just our ppa's. 
[18:31] <flocculant> aah - I see comments in xfce-dev about it
[21:47] <bluesabre> evening all
[21:48] <ochosi> heya
[21:50] <flocculant> hi bluesabre ochosi 
[21:50] <bluesabre> hi flocculant ochosi
[21:51] <flocculant> feels odd being here late enough on a school night :p
[21:52] <bluesabre> glad to see folks still around when I get around
[21:52]  * flocculant feels positive about just testing and not shepherding :p
[21:53] <bluesabre> s/shep/mouse/
[21:53] <flocculant> heh
[21:53] <flocculant> bluesabre: so anyway - parole bugs where you have to muck about to get something to play to start with
[21:53] <flocculant> don't ask me to report it 
[21:53] <flocculant> again :p
[21:54]  * flocculant goes looking in his list
[21:55] <flocculant> bug 1705243
[21:55] <bluesabre> Yep, got lots of parole bugs to fix from the last 2 cycles
[21:55] <flocculant> someone I know (well) hates this one
[21:55] <flocculant> that's from 17.something ...
[21:56] <flocculant> and currently I've been using parole more - and I second them lol
[21:57] <flocculant> bluesabre: not sure what info I could gather for that one - but if you do, then I will
[21:58] <flocculant> not sure if the git version suffers though tbf
[22:02] <bluesabre> flocculant: thanks, will let you know if I need some patch testing or more details :)
[22:02] <flocculant> that'd be good - every time I use it - I look at that bug report :p
[22:03] <flocculant> ochosi: I know that maybe this isn't the way to fix things, but why not just move the default panel to a sensible place - like at the bottom ...
[22:03] <flocculant> :)
[22:04] <flocculant> and re the settings issue - I'd be good grabbing from git again to prove fixes
[22:05] <bluesabre> We can add a panel daily build to https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa to make that easier on folks
[22:06] <bluesabre> Was also thinking of making a tool to refresh your configs based on the current x-d-s to test that more easily
[22:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: well - once we know what Dippy Doodle is and ppa's work properly again - I'll be adding them all in again
[22:08] <ochosi> flocculant: thanks, we first have to figure out what's wrong with that custom exo widget (how i'd love to replace that)
[22:08] <ochosi> in settings i mean
[22:08] <ochosi> and re: panel location, yeah, that'd be even worse than the workaround i added to the panel ;)
[22:09] <flocculant> hah to the last one :p
[22:09] <flocculant> and yea - ack, just let me know and I'll use it to start getting back some love :p
[22:10] <ochosi> alrighty, not sure how long fixing that may take
[22:10] <ochosi> actually exo is kinda bluesabre's department ;)
[22:10] <flocculant> well I'm still here :)
[22:10] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[22:11] <flocculant> shuffle those cards 
[22:11]  * ochosi tries to sneak out the back door...
[22:11] <flocculant> he he he 
[22:13] <brainwash> ochosi: isn't GTK3 to blame for the settings manager glitch?
[22:13] <ochosi> well potentially
[22:14] <flocculant> and much else ...
[22:14] <ochosi> but we also haven't dropped all deprecations
[22:14] <ochosi> so that can also be a source of weird effects
[22:14] <ochosi> and custom widgetry doesnt necessarily behave the same in gtk2 and gtk3 if you "just port it"
[22:15] <brainwash> the same widget is used in thunar, right?
[22:15] <flocculant> this is exactly why I don't code ochosi :p
[22:15] <flocculant> 'this year's excuse'
[22:16] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, should be exoiconview if i don't misremember
[22:16] <ochosi> still, wouldn't mind to drop it from the settings manager
[22:17] <bluesabre> since I can reproduce with the clear button, I can probably figure out the issue
[22:17] <ochosi> the semi-broken hover effect is also due to that
[22:17] <ochosi> yeah, probably just a lost refresh/redraw
[22:17] <bluesabre> gtk is weird with it's events, probably a new one "text-cleared" that doesn't line up with "changed"
[22:17] <ochosi> maybe a gtk_widget_queue_redraw in a random place will help :p
[22:18] <bluesabre> will debug it sometime this week (feel free to beat me to the punch)
[22:18] <ochosi> hah, i'm happy i figured out the panel bug
[22:18] <ochosi> that ate some of my "free evenings"
[22:18] <ochosi> next i'd rather start fixing the remaining deprecations
[22:18] <ochosi> or at least reducing them
[22:19] <ochosi> both settings and panel need that
[22:19] <bluesabre> Suppose I can apply your panel changes to each settings dialog
[22:19] <ochosi> (feel free to support me on that, although i understand it's more boring than adding features)
[22:19] <ochosi> i think the g_setenv should be enough in the settings manager
[22:20] <ochosi> it only affects plugged dialogs
[22:20] <bluesabre> the only real annoying thing I've been working on has been the gigolo port
[22:20] <ochosi> it's not a problem of the standalone dialogs
[22:20] <bluesabre> and it's 99% done now
[22:20] <bluesabre> true
[22:20] <bluesabre> Should be easy to test that
[22:20] <ochosi> yup
[22:21] <bluesabre> will check it out tonight
[22:21] <bluesabre> gotta help with dinner now, bbl
[22:21] <ochosi> sure thing
[22:21] <ochosi> hf
[22:21] <flocculant> cya later bluesabre 
[22:21] <ochosi> i'll be hitting the hay now too
[22:21] <ochosi> night everyone
[22:22] <flocculant> and good night to you too then :)