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| Senoraraton | My lubuntu installation won't log in now. It just looks me. I tried digging around in the terminal but couldn't make any headway. Any thoughts? | 08:11 |
| Senoraraton | Loops | 08:11 |
| Senoraraton | It will let me login in the terminal. | 08:11 |
| lubot | <lucasgf> (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/WwD9f8g4/file_4367.mp4 | 11:38 |
| lubot | lbssousa was added by: lbssousa | 13:41 |
| wxl[m] | Senoraraton: check your log files for hints. I'm sure you did something to break things. My guess is if you make a new user, it works fine. | 16:00 |
| sappheiros | how do i install japanese keyboard? https://askubuntu.com/questions/567413/installing-japanese-language-support-from-command-line did not give me a keyboard icon to click to switch to japanese text, and the link in the accepted answer returns an error now | 16:38 |
| wxl | @sappheiros: does the apt install $(check-language-support) work? | 16:44 |
| sappheiros | wxl, okay, it just finished installing a lot more, but it's still not clear to me how i now proceed to type in japanese | 16:53 |
| wxl | sappheiros: configure fcitx | 16:54 |
| sappheiros | wxl, pretty frustrated right now. I typed up a response to share with you on Leafpad after my computer crashed, and then my finger accidentally pushed some key, and after a moment the Leafpad window just vanished. | 17:02 |
| wxl | sappheiros: is it still running? | 17:03 |
| sappheiros | wxl, I clicked Fcitx within System Tools and a keyboard icon appeared in the right of my taskbar. Clicking it a grey rectangle opened and my computer froze, no longer responding to mouse clicks or keyboard. | 17:03 |
| sappheiros | I just clicked 'Send' to send a report to developers about the Leafpad crash. | 17:03 |
| wxl | oh this is 18.04, too, eh | 17:03 |
| sappheiros | Does everyone always have problems with Linux? | 17:03 |
| sappheiros | or with ubuntu? | 17:03 |
| wxl | everyone has problems with everything | 17:03 |
| wxl | you think microsoft software is flawless? | 17:04 |
| sappheiros | i have never had an experience with ubuntu where something doesn't crash or instructions don't fail me | 17:04 |
| sappheiros | well, fair point. | 17:04 |
| wxl | they've *RECENTLY* had bugs that were deleting files | 17:04 |
| sappheiros | i don't recall problems with windows xp | 17:04 |
| sappheiros | but since then, yeah, every windows OS has had problems | 17:04 |
| wxl | xp was a security nightmare | 17:04 |
| sappheiros | i was too young maybe to know that | 17:04 |
| sappheiros | but windows 10 i took as a personal insult, it was so bad lol | 17:04 |
| sappheiros | i made the mistake of getting a surface pro 4 for work | 17:04 |
| wxl | it's foolish to think that anything is going to be infallible | 17:05 |
| sappheiros | "wtf did i pay money to be a beta tester" | 17:05 |
| sappheiros | my opinion about the surface pro 4 + win 10 | 17:05 |
| sappheiros | i submitted over 400 feedback of bugs etc with 2/3 upvoted by others | 17:05 |
| wxl | the nice thing about open source software is that you have ready access to the people who are working with it and can actually have conversations with them | 17:05 |
| sappheiros | yeah ... | 17:05 |
| wxl | AND if you want to fix it you can | 17:05 |
| sappheiros | microsoft's discussions board can't hold a candle to askubuntu | 17:05 |
| sappheiros | or stackexchange | 17:05 |
| wxl | and if you don't, you didn't pay anything for ity | 17:05 |
| wxl | OR IRC | 17:05 |
| * wxl looks around for that windows irc channel | 17:06 | |
| sappheiros | literally, microsoft discussions will have bots posting WRONG answers and automatically accept them | 17:06 |
| sappheiros | it was astonishingly bad | 17:06 |
| wxl | so | 17:06 |
| wxl | bugs happen | 17:06 |
| sappheiros | like, moderator bots ending threads with useless info ... | 17:06 |
| sappheiros | so why did Fcitx crash my computer? | 17:07 |
| sappheiros | should i try right clicking instead of left clicking this time? | 17:07 |
| wxl | now for the bad thing about open source software: it's pretty much entirely done by volunteers. we work very hard to test and improve, but we can't get 100% coverage. | 17:07 |
| sappheiros | how do i unfreeze the computer instead of holding power button to hard shutoff? | 17:07 |
| wxl | depends upon the type of freeze | 17:07 |
| lubot | amaroq was removed by: amaroq | 17:07 |
| wxl | you can try opening a virtual terminal to begin with, i.e. with ctrl-alt-f1 | 17:08 |
| wxl | if you can open that, it's not dead | 17:08 |
| wxl | you can always log in and run, e.g. `top` to see what, if anything, might be running madly, and kill it | 17:08 |
| wxl | then you should be back to normal | 17:08 |
| sappheiros | LXTerminal is taking a long time to open the prompt now | 17:09 |
| sappheiros | is that due to me installing anaconda and initializing it to bashrc? | 17:09 |
| wxl | then you probably have some runaway program | 17:09 |
| sappheiros | how do i kill a runaway after viewing 'top'? | 17:10 |
| wxl | i just ran fcitx. the keyboard indicator icon comes up in the taskbar. right click gives me lxpanel options. left click are fcitx options. no crash. | 17:10 |
| wxl | hit k and then it will ask for a process id, defaulting to the one at the top | 17:11 |
| sappheiros | wxl, probably better to tell someone how to get out of the ttys (tty1?) after pressing ctrl+alt+f1 ... i had to shutdown -r to get out ... | 17:34 |
| wxl | well i didn't expect you to disappear...... | 17:34 |
| sappheiros | exit and quit() didn't work | 17:34 |
| sappheiros | i just pushed ctrl+alt+f1 and the full screen went into a terminal and i couldn't get out | 17:34 |
| sappheiros | a little knowledge is a dangerous thing ;/ | 17:34 |
| genii | Just use the same key combo and cycle through the F keys until you hit the one which X is still running on, usually 7 | 17:35 |
| sappheiros | wxl, i was able to kill lxpanel to unfreeze my system -- clicking Fcitx froze it again -- but now my taskbar is gone ... | 17:49 |
| wxl | i'm shocked you're having these problems | 17:49 |
| wxl | are you limited on resources, perhaps? | 17:49 |
| sappheiros | i opened xlterminal and typed lxpanel & and that brought it back | 17:49 |
| sappheiros | i have 1.6 GHz CPU and 2 GB RAM | 17:49 |
| sappheiros | ~40 GB HD | 17:50 |
| wxl | and how much of that RAM/CPU are you using? | 17:50 |
| sappheiros | how do i check that? via 'top' again? | 17:50 |
| wxl | well you can use the little task manager app | 17:50 |
| sappheiros | 0.0 - 4.0 us 'top' says | 17:50 |
| wxl | but top can help, too | 17:50 |
| sappheiros | CPU usage 5% | 17:51 |
| sappheiros | 9% | 17:51 |
| sappheiros | memory 395 MB of 2002 MB used | 17:51 |
| wxl | ok so you have plenty | 17:51 |
| sappheiros | looks like i'll need to log out and log in -- lxpanel is restarted but the color is off so the tabs are hard to read | 17:51 |
| wxl | do it again and see how they changed | 17:51 |
| wxl | hold on, i'll help you with that | 17:51 |
| wxl | waiting for my vm to boot | 17:51 |
| sappheiros | fixing the color of my taskbar? | 17:51 |
| sappheiros | you mean? | 17:51 |
| wxl | yep | 17:52 |
| wxl | at least i think XD | 17:52 |
| sappheiros | i k sigterm'd process id 761 i.e. lxpanel to unfreeze my computer | 17:52 |
| wxl | yep i'm right | 17:52 |
| wxl | you'd need to run `lxpanel --profile Lubuntu` to get your panel back the way it should be | 17:53 |
| sappheiros | did the alt ctrl f1 to do it via top, then +f7 like you said to go back to this usual screen | 17:53 |
| wxl | oh you can just run top in terminal silly | 17:53 |
| wxl | i mean that's what the ttys are--- terminals | 17:53 |
| wxl | they're just outside x | 17:53 |
| wxl | so if x freezes, you can still use the system | 17:54 |
| sappheiros | i couldn't at the time because clicking Fcitx froze the screen | 17:54 |
| sappheiros | keyboard as well | 17:54 |
| wxl | ah | 17:54 |
| sappheiros | i couldn't alt+tab to lxterminal | 17:54 |
| wxl | it's bizarre. for me it doesn't do next to anything to boot fcitx | 17:54 |
| wxl | you are on 18.04, right? | 17:54 |
| sappheiros | mmhmm | 17:54 |
| wxl | perhaps it might be something about the languages you're using | 17:55 |
| wxl | tell me everything you did | 17:55 |
| sappheiros | since ...? ... i just did the two c.. oh. there was one thing. | 17:55 |
| sappheiros | well, i did the commands at https://askubuntu.com/questions/567413/installing-japanese-language-support-from-command-line, but before that | 17:55 |
| wxl | which ones? | 17:55 |
| sappheiros | after installing it said some language support wasn't installed, so i just followed the prompts to install them -- at first login after installing from liveDVD | 17:56 |
| sappheiros | https://askubuntu.com/questions/567413/installing-japanese-language-support-from-command-line/567417#567417 these two | 17:56 |
| wxl | there's | 17:56 |
| wxl | more | 17:56 |
| wxl | than | 17:56 |
| wxl | two | 17:56 |
| sappheiros | and let's see if i have a photo of the message after installation ... | 17:56 |
| sappheiros | i thought i linked to the answer itself | 17:56 |
| sappheiros | sudo apt-get install language-pack-ja language-pack-gnome-ja language-pack-ja-base language-pack-gnome-ja-base | 17:56 |
| sappheiros | and | 17:56 |
| sappheiros | sudo apt-get install $(check-language-support) | 17:56 |
| sappheiros | only two commands in that answer | 17:56 |
| wxl | hm have to have check-language-support it seems | 17:57 |
| wxl | did you install it? | 17:57 |
| sappheiros | i did run that command and it installed a bunch of stuff | 17:57 |
| wxl | so somewhere along the way you already had language-selector-common installed | 17:58 |
| sappheiros | i am apparently missing /home/[username]/.config/autostart/xpad.desktop by the way | 17:58 |
| sappheiros | Xpad through that error when i first opened it | 17:59 |
| wxl | i'm not sure i understand what you're saying.. what gave you what specific error when? | 17:59 |
| sappheiros | the xpad error was when i tried opening xpad yesterday or the day before | 17:59 |
| sappheiros | just thought i'd bring it up if it might be related unbeknownst to me | 17:59 |
| sappheiros | maybe separate issue | 18:00 |
| wxl | did xpad open? | 18:00 |
| wxl | uhhh that check-language-support business may be flawed advice | 18:01 |
| wxl | it's loading all this qt4/5 stuff that's totally unnecessary | 18:01 |
| wxl | not to mention gtk3 which may be problematic in and of itself | 18:01 |
| sappheiros | yeah i think it broke my system D: | 18:02 |
| sappheiros | how do i undo | 18:02 |
| sappheiros | (i have no idea if it broke my system or not) | 18:02 |
| wxl | you could sudo apt purge $(check-language-support) | 18:02 |
| sappheiros | that was 4 years ago | 18:02 |
| sappheiros | maybe it's outdated? | 18:02 |
| sappheiros | as i said, the link in that answer to https://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/language-support-ja/ leads to an error too | 18:03 |
| wxl | which it would | 18:03 |
| wxl | lucid is long end of life | 18:03 |
| wxl | and there's no language-support packages | 18:03 |
| wxl | i'm confident the fcitx gtk3 front end is part of your problem | 18:04 |
| sappheiros | so do i have to manually uninstall everything that command installed? | 18:05 |
| sappheiros | or just uninstall a few things then 'sudo apt autoremove'? | 18:06 |
| wxl | sudo apt purge $(check-language-support) | 18:06 |
| wxl | then you'll probably need to autoremove | 18:06 |
| sappheiros | great! hooray good design | 18:06 |
| wxl | hey | 18:06 |
| wxl | before you hit ok on that, send me the list of packages it wants to remove | 18:06 |
| sappheiros | i mean that such a command exists | 18:06 |
| sappheiros | 'k | 18:06 |
| sappheiros | btw before i do i killed lxpanel in ctrl+alt+del task manager, and then in lxterminal executed lxpanel --profile Lubuntu & like you said and it seemed to work, but i'm getting messages in terminal | 18:07 |
| sappheiros | like | 18:07 |
| sappheiros | (lxpanel:2026): Wnck-WARNING **: 13:58:27.642: Unhandled action type _OB_WM_ACTION_UNDECORATE | 18:07 |
| sappheiros | that said, let's do the purging .. | 18:08 |
| wxl | don't worry about warnings | 18:08 |
| wxl | gtk is noisy | 18:08 |
| sappheiros | oh boy, that's not encouraging | 18:08 |
| wxl | warnings are NOT errors | 18:08 |
| wxl | errors are problems | 18:09 |
| wxl | warnings are just a notice, basically | 18:09 |
| wxl | it sounds bad, but it's not | 18:09 |
| sappheiros | no, i meant ... | 18:09 |
| sappheiros | https://pastebin.com/B7z319p5 | 18:09 |
| sappheiros | it didn't do anything -_- | 18:09 |
| wxl | aw hell ok that stinks | 18:10 |
| wxl | you'll need to pick through /var/log/apt/history.log and figure out all the packages | 18:10 |
| wxl | in fact | 18:11 |
| wxl | try this: | 18:11 |
| wxl | grep -A 2 check-language-support /var/log/apt/history.log | 18:11 |
| sappheiros | just returned the prompt, no messages | 18:12 |
| wxl | that's a bummer | 18:13 |
| wxl | then picking through the logs it is | 18:13 |
| wxl | but let's do this | 18:13 |
| wxl | first | 18:13 |
| sappheiros | i think i found it though | 18:13 |
| wxl | sudo apt purge fcitx-frontend-gtk3 fcitx-frontend-qt4 fcitx-frontend-qt5 kde-config-fcitx | 18:13 |
| sappheiros | oh | 18:13 |
| sappheiros | well, i already found two relevant sections in history.olg | 18:13 |
| wxl | those i think are giong to be the real problem children | 18:13 |
| sappheiros | https://pastebin.com/xfpTUfXT just fyi i guess | 18:14 |
| sappheiros | 'k please see https://pastebin.com/c71waZXX | 18:15 |
| wxl | yep do it | 18:16 |
| wxl | then autoremove | 18:16 |
| sappheiros | i guess i will say Y and then sudo apt autoremove, yep okay | 18:16 |
| sappheiros | https://pastebin.com/KQwWDCaQ it wants me to confirm again | 18:17 |
| wxl | do it | 18:18 |
| sappheiros | i guess I'll say Y | 18:18 |
| sappheiros | yep 'k | 18:18 |
| sappheiros | yay, i hope. more details about the removed packages: https://pastebin.com/MJUNX8QP | 18:19 |
| sappheiros | so do i need to restart? ... i guess not ... should i try clicking on that keyboard icon in my taskbar again? ... | 18:20 |
| wxl | sappheiros: probably don't need to restart, but a log in/out might not hurt. | 18:25 |
| sappheiros | my lxpanel is now showing the wifi icon twice -_- | 18:33 |
| sappheiros | i tried using Fcitx after a restart and it worked the first time i clicked on it, and i opened a virtual keyboard, but the second time i clicked on it it crashed again | 18:33 |
| sappheiros | and my lxterminal is taking a long time after opening it to show the prompt | 18:33 |
| sappheiros | https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086859/how-to-fix-lxpanel-showing-wifi-twice | 18:46 |
| sappheiros | wxl, just opened Language Support and it's saying again that first prompt when i booted for the first time after liveDVD installation, i think: "The language support is not installed completely" | 18:53 |
| sappheiros | it wants me to install fcitx-frontend-gtk3, fcitx-frontend-qt5, and fcitx-frontend-qt4 | 18:53 |
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| sappheiros | https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086869/how-do-i-fix-fcitx-from-freezing-my-keyboard-and-mouse-click | 19:18 |
| wxl | sappheiros: interesting thought experiment: try to re-do all the language stuff you did on a live image. i'm sure you can't get it to reproduce | 19:22 |
| wxl | sappheiros: and i hear what language support is saying but i'm not sure why it wants you to install ALL of that. it's so unnecessary.... and conflicting, too | 19:22 |
| sappheiros | 'k | 19:23 |
| sappheiros | yeah | 19:23 |
| sappheiros | does seem odd to ask for qt4 and qt5 | 19:23 |
| wxl | and gtk3 | 19:23 |
| sappheiros | and i did think gtk was a competitor to qt | 19:23 |
| wxl | you already have the gtk2 front end | 19:23 |
| wxl | it's an alternative toolkit and what we primarily use in lxqt, i.e. 18.10 and beyond | 19:23 |
| wxl | the extra wifi icons, supposedly, have to do with something that @tsimonq2 did but didn't fix.. i'm not sure of the details | 19:24 |
| sappheiros | isn't 18.04 supposed to be more stable than 18.10? | 19:24 |
| sappheiros | i'm wondering now if i should upgrade -_- | 19:24 |
| wxl | "stable" is a curious description | 19:24 |
| sappheiros | well, i mean, more supported -- what i mean is, "i shouldn't be having this problem" -_- | 19:25 |
| wxl | part of the reason we went with lxqt over lxde is because of how much more stable and reliable it is | 19:25 |
| wxl | with the LTS releases, you find very few major changes so the LIKELIHOOD of problems is smaller | 19:25 |
| wxl | that doesn't mean it's more stable | 19:25 |
| wxl | the support cycle is longer, though | 19:25 |
| sappheiros | are people regretting making lxde the longer support cycle if 18.10 has the more stable/reliable code? | 19:25 |
| wxl | no, because lxqt wasn't ready for primetime yet | 19:26 |
| sappheiros | so why choose 18.10 over 18.04? | 19:26 |
| wxl | as i said before, bugs do happen | 19:26 |
| wxl | because it's lxqt, i.e. it's the future. we will not be returning to lxde. | 19:26 |
| teward | so 20.04 == LXQt :P | 19:26 |
| wxl | ^^ and that's the next LTS release | 19:26 |
| teward | the interim releases are good ways to test and debug things prior to the next LTS :) | 19:26 |
| teward | (this is always the case) | 19:27 |
| sappheiros | ugh then wouldn't i be helping more if i were to be dealing with this problem in 18.10 instead? | 19:27 |
| sappheiros | so shouldn't i just swap now? | 19:27 |
| sappheiros | as a means to try to solve this issue? | 19:27 |
| wxl | you shouldn't be having the problem in any version, ideally | 19:27 |
| teward | ^ this | 19:28 |
| wxl | but i think you'd be better off going forward in 18.10. upgrading from lxde to lxqt is not easy/simple | 19:28 |
| sappheiros | i'm all depressed now | 19:28 |
| wxl | i think the issue with the extra wifi icons is that the "indicator applets" applet also provides networky stuff | 19:28 |
| sappheiros | lol https://lubuntu.me/about/ is down | 19:29 |
| wxl | why do you think that's a valid page? | 19:29 |
| teward | AFAICT that isn't even on the sitemap o.O | 19:29 |
| teward | sappheiros: the main lubuntu.me page seems to be the "About" page. | 19:30 |
| teward | oop wait | 19:30 |
| teward | wxl: i see it | 19:30 |
| teward | "Explore Lubuntu's Features" -> lubuntu.me/about/ == 404 | 19:30 |
| teward | bad link on the front page. | 19:30 |
| wxl | sigh more stuff @tsimonq2 needs to fix that he broke again :) | 19:30 |
| sappheiros | I CAN FIND EVERY BROKEN THING | 19:31 |
| sappheiros | >_> | 19:31 |
| sappheiros | i'm like a magnet | 19:31 |
| teward | @wxl: can I make a phab task for it and assign it to simon wiht a big "FIX THIS!" message? :P | 19:31 |
| teward | or do I not have that level of access | 19:31 |
| wxl | you should be able to | 19:31 |
| wxl | maybe pull wendy into it as she might have access but i'm sure only he knows what it's actually supposed to point to :/ | 19:31 |
| sappheiros | i wanted to win the lottery so i could go into software development, like develop ubuntu and answer questions | 19:32 |
| sappheiros | ... instead a guy in south carolina won | 19:32 |
| sappheiros | this dude won $1.6 billion | 19:32 |
| sappheiros | or $0.9 billion | 19:32 |
| sappheiros | that's insane | 19:32 |
| wxl | instead you can what the rest of us do | 19:32 |
| sappheiros | suffer the panic of never having enough time because you have to work for low wage? | 19:32 |
| wxl | just keep swimming | 19:33 |
| teward | wxl: you mean TheWendyPower on Phab? | 19:33 |
| wxl | yeah teward | 19:33 |
| genii | After lottery tax it will be 40% of that, then they apply the income taxes on whats left. But still a lot of money. | 19:33 |
| sappheiros | why replace leafpad with featherpad? | 19:38 |
| sappheiros | oh, because of QT switch? | 19:38 |
| wxl | yep | 19:39 |
| sappheiros | i think i would be so happy if i won it, because i would be able to do all the same stuff except not have so many money problems (car, debt, food, cold, living with mentally ill family) | 19:39 |
| wxl | it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay nicer | 19:39 |
| sappheiros | lol, featherpad? or QT? | 19:39 |
| wxl | both | 19:39 |
| sappheiros | pretty exciting youtube vid | 19:40 |
| sappheiros | @ https://lubuntu.me/cosmic-released/ | 19:40 |
| sappheiros | makes me feel bad i just spent so many hours setting up 18.04 ... | 19:40 |
| sappheiros | erm, it sounds like it the installation might not properly manage my GRUB/partitions?? | 19:41 |
| sappheiros | i don't know if my HD uses an EFI system | 19:41 |
| wxl | it should fine. what makes you think it won't? | 19:42 |
| sappheiros | i just think i read something about EFI lately and had to do something with it, but i don't really remember | 19:44 |
| sappheiros | it's a dell d620 | 19:44 |
| wxl | there is something with efi and encryption | 19:44 |
| sappheiros | i don't think i encrypted the hard drive | 19:44 |
| wxl | can you confirm nm-applet is running on your machine? | 19:44 |
| sappheiros | basically i'm nervous because if my win7 partition gets messed up then i'm screwed, because i bought this from amazon and they didn't give me the win license | 19:44 |
| sappheiros | now? about lxpanel? the second instance of the wifi icon went away | 19:45 |
| sappheiros | i might have restarted lxpanel, not sure | 19:45 |
| wxl | reboot the machine | 19:45 |
| sappheiros | 26 min left for the 18.10 download | 19:47 |
| sappheiros | i was thinking to just overwrite the 18.04 installation | 19:47 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @sappheiros check exhaustively if 18.10 can doy all the things you want/need before installing. At this time there are some things that are more difficult to do in 18.10 vs 18.04, propietary drivers for instance. | 19:49 |
| sappheiros | D: ... thank you ... so i can't play DVD? | 19:49 |
| sappheiros | netflix? | 19:49 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> netflix: you can run it on firefox or chrome (because of DRM) | 19:50 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> but, non of those can use hw acceleration, so if your machine isn't powerfull enough, you might up with strange behaivour (in 18.04 and 18.10) | 19:51 |
| sappheiros | i don't know anything about hw acceleration | 19:51 |
| sappheiros | what about wine? | 19:52 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> for dvd: https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/first-lubuntu read where it says "install some extra software" | 19:52 |
| sappheiros | i would like to use win xp software which i think requires wine | 19:52 |
| sappheiros | i'm downloading at 1.00 MB/s from 5 peers; is Comcast throttling me? ... | 19:52 |
| sappheiros | 8/49 -> 1.05 MB/s | 19:53 |
| sappheiros | via Transmission and the lubuntu link at https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ | 19:53 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> wine: I have had some issues with wine in 18.10 the shortcuts are not created in the menu, but I'm not sure is a problem of my system or in generla. Besides that, everything is ok. | 19:54 |
| wxl | > is Comcast throttling me? | 19:54 |
| wxl | rhetorical question | 19:54 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @sappheiros [<sappheiros> i don't know anything about hw acceleration], main point, there should be no difference between 18.04 or 18.10 in this point. | 19:55 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> for dvd, try this: ... sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-extras ... sudo apt-get install libdvd-pkg ... sudo dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg ... sudo apt-mark hold libdvd-pkg libdvdcss2 libdvdcss-dev | 19:56 |
| sappheiros | 500 kB/s from 30 of 50 peers -- i mean, certainly a torrent would get higher speeds than that from 30 people, right? | 20:01 |
| wxl | rhetorical question meaning: yes, they're throttling you | 20:02 |
| sappheiros | oh. | 20:02 |
| wxl | btw sappheiros https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086859/how-to-fix-lxpanel-showing-wifi-twice/1086885#1086885 | 20:18 |
| lubot | <bonacin91> happened in one of my machines:'ubuntu-bug ubuntu-release-upgrader-core' | 20:24 |
| lubot | <bonacin91> *missing | 20:24 |
| wxl | not understanding your issue | 20:24 |
| lubot | <bonacin91> just a warning i received | 20:24 |
| wxl | you got a warning that says "ubuntu-bug ubuntu-release-upgrader-core?" | 20:25 |
| lubot | <bonacin91> yes | 20:25 |
| wxl | that seems unlikely | 20:26 |
| wxl | do you have the actual complete text? | 20:26 |
| wxl | a screenshot? | 20:26 |
| lubot | muxator was added by: muxator | 20:26 |
| lubot | <bonacin91> nope... its gone sorry... everything seems to upgrade properly so far | 20:27 |
| wxl | complete information is required to provide a complete solution :( | 20:28 |
| lubot | <bonacin91> sorry my bad | 20:28 |
| lubot | <muxator> Hi everyone. I have a very silly question. I am on lubuntu 18.10. I am not finding where's the UI to add new icons to the quicklaunch of lxqt-panel. | 20:30 |
| lubot | <muxator> I have been trying to discover it by myself since three days, looked at the manuals, but I am really not being able to identify what to do to add an icon to the quick launch. Thanks for the help! | 20:32 |
| wxl | @muxator you mean to the right of the menu | 20:32 |
| wxl | ? | 20:32 |
| wxl | cuz if you do you'll be shocked at how easy it is | 20:34 |
| lubot | <muxator> @wxl, yes. The quicklaunch is the widget that by default contains the icons of pcmanfm-qt and firefox. | 20:34 |
| lubot | <muxator> I am sure I will be baffled! :) | 20:34 |
| wxl | open the menu | 20:34 |
| wxl | find the icon you want | 20:34 |
| wxl | drag and drop it | 20:35 |
| wxl | needless to say it's so obvious it's not obvious XD | 20:35 |
| lubot | <muxator> ...aaaand it worked like charm! Thanks. | 20:35 |
| wxl | lynorian: that might be a good one for the manual XD | 20:35 |
| lubot | <muxator> The closest I got in my trial and error was open the menu, finding the icon I wanted, RIGHT CLICKING, and nothing happened. I did not try to drag it. | 20:36 |
| wxl | @muxator we'll get it in the manual. thanks again :) | 20:37 |
| lubot | <muxator> Thanks again, and thanks for the update on the manual, bye! | 20:38 |
| wxl | np be welL! | 20:38 |
| sappheiros | am i correct in thinking a more elegant solution, and one that would benefit me going forward, is simply to drop 18.04 for 18.10? | 20:38 |
| sappheiros | rather than what wxl suggests in that answer? | 20:38 |
| sappheiros | i just installed 18.04 1-2 days ago | 20:39 |
| wxl | i think you'll benefit overall | 20:39 |
| wxl | BUT | 20:39 |
| wxl | since you asked the question | 20:39 |
| wxl | you have the responsibility of checking the provided answer and accepting it or not | 20:39 |
| sappheiros | ... oh. right ... | 20:40 |
| sappheiros | ... i kinda thought i could post "upgraded to 18.10, problem solved" and accept that as the solution if it works >_> | 20:40 |
| sappheiros | then over time lxde users could upvote the lxde solution if it turns out to be more popular | 20:40 |
| lubot | Slider1 was removed by: Slider1 | 20:40 |
| teward | if you do that on Ask Ubuntu your question is either closed or your answer is hoovered up and thrown into the Void by the reviewers, sappheiros | 20:40 |
| wxl | probably not a good idea for people who want to stay with 18.04 and many folks will | 20:40 |
| teward | disclaimer: i'm an Ask Ubuntu moderator :p | 20:41 |
| wxl | teward is an askubuntu bigwig so bow to him XD | 20:41 |
| teward | ***WORSHIP ME AND MY POWER!*** Um, I mean... yeah I'm a mod. | 20:41 |
| sappheiros | lol | 20:41 |
| wxl | note too that i mention that probably fixes your fcitx issue, too, so it might nullify/solve the other question | 20:41 |
| sappheiros | but man why does my computer have to think before opening LXTerminal | 20:42 |
| sappheiros | i'm wondering if i installed a trojan from another askubuntu answer | 20:42 |
| sappheiros | i mean, before LXterminal shows prompt | 20:42 |
| wxl | didn't you say you added something to bashrc? | 20:42 |
| sappheiros | i did, anaconda thing | 20:43 |
| wxl | comment it out and see if it improves things | 20:43 |
| sappheiros | brb testing solution | 20:43 |
| lubot | muxator was removed by: muxator | 20:44 |
| sappheiros | a confounding variable just occurred to me: i switched from wifi to ethernet before testing solution | 20:45 |
| sappheiros | i mean to say, i plugged in ethernet cable and the icon switched to the connected rectangles as the connection went to ethernet | 20:45 |
| sappheiros | but wifi is still enabled, and it looks like i'm actually connected to both wifi and ethernet | 20:46 |
| sappheiros | only one nm-applet icon it looks to me (i.e. only one ethernet icon, no wifi icon) | 20:46 |
| lubot | <bonacin91> (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/TENFnwk.jpg @lubuntu_bot | 20:47 |
| lubot | <bonacin91> @wxl [<wxl> a screenshot?], managed to do it again | 20:47 |
| sappheiros | よかった！ | 20:47 |
| sappheiros | that did seem to fix the problem! | 20:48 |
| sappheiros | except Mozc takes my dvorak keyboard so i have to type japanese in dvorak, instead of in qwerty | 20:48 |
| wxl | not sure abou thtat issue. bug the mozc (google) folks :) | 20:48 |
| sappheiros | > Thank you for your review. You need at least 2k reputation to continue reviewing suggested edits. | 20:50 |
| sappheiros | lol that's quite a leap | 20:50 |
| sappheiros | 1 edit: no problem. 2 edits: TWO THOUSAND REPUTATION! | 20:50 |
| wxl | for your own question? god weird | 20:50 |
| wxl | you don't have to accept the edit, but you should be able to accept the answer | 20:51 |
| wxl | @bonacin91 can you install lubuntu-core? | 20:51 |
| lubot | <bonacin91> dunno still upgrading | 20:52 |
| lubot | <bonacin91> this machine is pretty slow | 20:53 |
| wxl | well you should try to install it. failing that, follow the instructions and run `ubuntu-bug ubuntu-release-upgrader-core` | 20:53 |
| lubot | <bonacin91> okey dokey | 20:53 |
| lubot | <bonacin91> thanks | 20:53 |
| wxl | oh hm. we don't have lubuntu-core anymore. i guess that's why | 20:53 |
| wxl | there's now lubuntu-qt/gtk-core | 20:54 |
| wxl | unfortunately upgrades from 18.04 to 18.10 are guaranteed to be rocky | 20:54 |
| wxl | ^ lynorian ANOTHER thing to add to the manual re: upgrades.. can't upgrade lubuntu-core | 20:55 |
| sappheiros | do you mean if we try to upgrade without using installation media to overwrite partition? | 20:55 |
| wxl | sappheiros: yes | 20:56 |
| sappheiros | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick internal server error again | 20:56 |
| sappheiros | any webpage to guide me in making USB boot drive from iso? | 20:57 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> in linux or windows? | 21:02 |
| sappheiros | not sure if i should be looking at https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu#0 ... | 21:04 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> in lubuntu there shold be a "startup disk creation tool" I believe it is in system tools | 21:05 |
| * sappheiros reads https://manual.lubuntu.me/1/1.2/booting_the_image.html instead | 21:05 | |
| sappheiros | lubot, how do I autocomplete 'HMollerCl'? ... | 21:08 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> You don't, it's on Telegram :) | 21:09 |
| sappheiros | i don't see that in System Tools for 18.04.1, but your manual recommends https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb | 21:09 |
| * sappheiros feels like the odd one out for using hexchat | 21:09 | |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> But to ping him, type it with a @, like this: @HMollerCl | 21:09 |
| sappheiros | i ... almost did that ... | 21:09 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Hehe | 21:09 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> HWat I'm good for? | 21:10 |
| sappheiros | sudo apt-get install mkusb mkusb-nox usb-pack-efi | 21:12 |
| sappheiros | a ton of stuff installs | 21:12 |
| sappheiros | seems like so much work goes into it | 21:13 |
| sappheiros | does 18.10 take more HD than 18.04? | 21:18 |
| lynorian | sappheiros: yes more stuff installed with more features | 21:21 |
| sappheiros | D: | 21:23 |
| sappheiros | i was hoping modularity meant a leaner default installation | 21:23 |
| lynorian | it is still not exactly way to big and you could remove programs you don't want but that makes upgrading a bit difficult once the metapackage gets removed | 21:24 |
| sappheiros | mkusb quick start pdf appears to contain a typo | 21:24 |
| sappheiros | i mean, an egregious one | 21:25 |
| sappheiros | page 5 | 21:25 |
| sappheiros | ● | 21:25 |
| sappheiros | Example: md5sum xubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-i386.iso mkusb | 21:25 |
| sappheiros | that 'mkusb' seems shouldn't be there | 21:25 |
| sappheiros | p 15 is unclear ... | 21:28 |
| sappheiros | quickstart manual doesn't say whether to use persistent live drive and msdos, upefi, or d-n-i ... | 21:31 |
| sappheiros | checking https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb it seems i should select 'clone' rather than persistent live -- i mistakenly thought 'clone' meant 'copy' ... | 21:33 |
| sappheiros | oh no | 21:34 |
| sappheiros | i can't cancel the gui | 21:34 |
| sappheiros | i clicked the 'x' but it went to the next screen as if i had selected something | 21:34 |
| sappheiros | (oh good there was a 'stop' after that and the next screen) | 21:34 |
| sappheiros | using the liveUSB now | 22:02 |
| sappheiros | looks great | 22:02 |
| sappheiros | why is USB listed twice in taskbar? | 22:02 |
| sappheiros | that seems like an error... | 22:02 |
| sappheiros | Lubuntu 18.10 i386 is listed twice. | 22:03 |
| sappheiros | now i can't take a screenshot ... | 22:07 |
| lynorian | sappheiros: alt +f2 for lxqt-runner? | 22:07 |
| lynorian | and then enter shot should bring up only the screenshot app | 22:07 |
| sappheiros | thanks, that worked. but the Prnt Scrn button worked the first time, but not the second, to open that same program | 22:15 |
| sappheiros | please see https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086930/are-these-miscellaneous-problems-oddities-during-liveusb-normal-lubuntu-18-10 | 22:26 |
| wxl | sappheiros: you really should do one question per question | 22:30 |
| wxl | sappheiros: also you might have better luck getting replies from the mailing list | 22:30 |
| lynorian | when booted in the live session should the USB even show up there? | 22:31 |
| wxl | i wouldn't say anyone in the lubuntu team is really closely monitoring questions on askubuntu | 22:31 |
| lynorian | sappheiros: have you copied and pasted anything yet?] | 22:32 |
| wxl | there should be one mount | 22:32 |
| wxl | two is weird | 22:32 |
| lynorian | qlipper shows that text as a placeholder | 22:32 |
| wxl | might want to `fdisk -l` | 22:32 |
| wxl | i show one | 22:32 |
| lynorian | not sure running / off of an external drive showing it in removeable media is that good an idea | 22:33 |
| wxl | you should not show the iso in devices in pcmanfm | 22:33 |
| wxl | it should be mounted to /dev/loop0 if you're running off the live system | 22:34 |
| wxl | or rather that's the device file | 22:35 |
| wxl | which is what makes it unique | 22:35 |
| sappheiros | not sure i understand you, wxl -- i'm reporting what i've seen that's confusing me here on the liveUSB, haven't installed 18.10 yet | 22:37 |
| sappheiros | sharing this in case it's something to take into consideration for the next release for new users | 22:37 |
| wxl | you're showing something that i dno't see at all | 22:37 |
| wxl | i suspect you've done something a bit abnormal | 22:38 |
| wxl | the qlipper thing is expected, though | 22:38 |
| sappheiros | so what should i do? someone on #ubuntu says if md5sum was okay and if no errors detected during the check disk for errors that i should be fine ... | 22:38 |
| wxl | but askubuntu is the WRONG place to go to provide general feedback | 22:38 |
| wxl | it's a place to get questions answered | 22:38 |
| sappheiros | i copied the liveUSB using the lubuntu manual, using the GUI instead of the command prompt | 22:38 |
| sappheiros | lynorian: no | 22:39 |
| wxl | did you check the disk for defects? | 22:39 |
| sappheiros | lynorian: but now that i have, yes, it's updated, thanks | 22:39 |
| sappheiros | wxl: yes, that's what i meant about checking for errors | 22:39 |
| sappheiros | erm, unless yo umean something different | 22:39 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> *cough* verify checksum *cough* *cough* | 22:39 |
| sappheiros | i did that already | 22:39 |
| wxl | that's not necessarily the same as checking the hashesh | 22:39 |
| sappheiros | the string looked the same to me | 22:39 |
| wxl | when you boot | 22:40 |
| wxl | select "check disc for defects" | 22:40 |
| sappheiros | ... could using Transmission to upload the file to others while at the same time burning it to USB have caused a problem? | 22:40 |
| sappheiros | wxl: yes, thats' what i did | 22:40 |
| sappheiros | that menu item | 22:40 |
| sappheiros | from the USB | 22:40 |
| wxl | AND you check the md5sum? | 22:40 |
| sappheiros | yes, i did that before i made the USB | 22:41 |
| wxl | sappheiros: i don't know what to say about all the extra mounts. | 22:43 |
| sappheiros | it's just the one extra in the taskbar | 22:43 |
| sappheiros | unless neither of the two should be showing there | 22:43 |
| wxl | just ignore it | 22:43 |
| sappheiros | my mouse isn't moving as far as it was in 18.04 :( | 22:43 |
| sappheiros | i've turned up the sensitivity | 22:44 |
| sappheiros | but not much change | 22:44 |
| sappheiros | (using finger + trackpad) | 22:44 |
| lubot | TimApple was removed by: TimApple | 22:51 |
| Luke_usa_ubuntu | hey, running lubuntu on a macbook pro. And would like to install my isight camera. Found this guide, but it's a bit more techniacal then I'm used to.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleiSight | 22:53 |
| wxl | Luke_usa_ubuntu: i doubt you willl find a better solution | 22:55 |
| Luke_usa_ubuntu | wxl: haha ok, thanks. didn't know if there was something more easy | 22:56 |
| wxl | Luke_usa_ubuntu: blame apple and their proprietariness | 22:57 |
| sappheiros | oh, there's a dell latitude laptop keyboard option! | 22:57 |
| Luke_usa_ubuntu | wxl: is it easier with other devices? I was using osx, but it got slow with the new update. So I came back to Ubuntu (Lubuntu) | 22:57 |
| sappheiros | i guess that's what i should pick for my installation, then | 22:58 |
| wxl | Luke_usa_ubuntu: most other devices don't require proprietary firmware | 22:58 |
| Luke_usa_ubuntu | wxl, ahhh. gothcha. so if i used a usb webcam, it might be easier to install? | 22:59 |
| wxl | Luke_usa_ubuntu: you'd probably plug it in and call it done. | 22:59 |
| wxl | Luke_usa_ubuntu: my webcam on my new hp envy worked right out of the box | 22:59 |
| Luke_usa_ubuntu | wxl, awesome. I'll try that. I have one at home already. Thanks for the help. | 23:00 |
| wxl | np | 23:00 |
| Luke_usa_ubuntu | wxl: I'm guessing my next computer won't be an apple. Lubuntu is working great! | 23:00 |
| wxl | Luke_usa_ubuntu: glad to hear it :) | 23:00 |
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