[02:33] TimApple was added by: TimApple [02:38] mowestusa was added by: mowestusa [08:11] My lubuntu installation won't log in now. It just looks me. I tried digging around in the terminal but couldn't make any headway. Any thoughts? [08:11] Loops [08:11] It will let me login in the terminal. [11:38] (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/WwD9f8g4/file_4367.mp4 [13:41] lbssousa was added by: lbssousa [16:00] Senoraraton: check your log files for hints. I'm sure you did something to break things. My guess is if you make a new user, it works fine. [16:38] how do i install japanese keyboard? https://askubuntu.com/questions/567413/installing-japanese-language-support-from-command-line did not give me a keyboard icon to click to switch to japanese text, and the link in the accepted answer returns an error now [16:44] @sappheiros: does the apt install $(check-language-support) work? [16:53] wxl, okay, it just finished installing a lot more, but it's still not clear to me how i now proceed to type in japanese [16:54] sappheiros: configure fcitx [17:02] wxl, pretty frustrated right now. I typed up a response to share with you on Leafpad after my computer crashed, and then my finger accidentally pushed some key, and after a moment the Leafpad window just vanished. [17:03] sappheiros: is it still running? [17:03] wxl, I clicked Fcitx within System Tools and a keyboard icon appeared in the right of my taskbar. Clicking it a grey rectangle opened and my computer froze, no longer responding to mouse clicks or keyboard. [17:03] I just clicked 'Send' to send a report to developers about the Leafpad crash. [17:03] oh this is 18.04, too, eh [17:03] Does everyone always have problems with Linux? [17:03] or with ubuntu? [17:03] everyone has problems with everything [17:04] you think microsoft software is flawless? [17:04] i have never had an experience with ubuntu where something doesn't crash or instructions don't fail me [17:04] well, fair point. [17:04] they've *RECENTLY* had bugs that were deleting files [17:04] i don't recall problems with windows xp [17:04] but since then, yeah, every windows OS has had problems [17:04] xp was a security nightmare [17:04] i was too young maybe to know that [17:04] but windows 10 i took as a personal insult, it was so bad lol [17:04] i made the mistake of getting a surface pro 4 for work [17:05] it's foolish to think that anything is going to be infallible [17:05] "wtf did i pay money to be a beta tester" [17:05] my opinion about the surface pro 4 + win 10 [17:05] i submitted over 400 feedback of bugs etc with 2/3 upvoted by others [17:05] the nice thing about open source software is that you have ready access to the people who are working with it and can actually have conversations with them [17:05] yeah ... [17:05] AND if you want to fix it you can [17:05] microsoft's discussions board can't hold a candle to askubuntu [17:05] or stackexchange [17:05] and if you don't, you didn't pay anything for ity [17:05] OR IRC [17:06] * wxl looks around for that windows irc channel [17:06] literally, microsoft discussions will have bots posting WRONG answers and automatically accept them [17:06] it was astonishingly bad [17:06] so [17:06] bugs happen [17:06] like, moderator bots ending threads with useless info ... [17:07] so why did Fcitx crash my computer? [17:07] should i try right clicking instead of left clicking this time? [17:07] now for the bad thing about open source software: it's pretty much entirely done by volunteers. we work very hard to test and improve, but we can't get 100% coverage. [17:07] how do i unfreeze the computer instead of holding power button to hard shutoff? [17:07] depends upon the type of freeze [17:07] amaroq was removed by: amaroq [17:08] you can try opening a virtual terminal to begin with, i.e. with ctrl-alt-f1 [17:08] if you can open that, it's not dead [17:08] you can always log in and run, e.g. `top` to see what, if anything, might be running madly, and kill it [17:08] then you should be back to normal [17:09] LXTerminal is taking a long time to open the prompt now [17:09] is that due to me installing anaconda and initializing it to bashrc? [17:09] then you probably have some runaway program [17:10] how do i kill a runaway after viewing 'top'? [17:10] i just ran fcitx. the keyboard indicator icon comes up in the taskbar. right click gives me lxpanel options. left click are fcitx options. no crash. [17:11] hit k and then it will ask for a process id, defaulting to the one at the top [17:34] wxl, probably better to tell someone how to get out of the ttys (tty1?) after pressing ctrl+alt+f1 ... i had to shutdown -r to get out ... [17:34] well i didn't expect you to disappear...... [17:34] exit and quit() didn't work [17:34] i just pushed ctrl+alt+f1 and the full screen went into a terminal and i couldn't get out [17:34] a little knowledge is a dangerous thing ;/ [17:35] Just use the same key combo and cycle through the F keys until you hit the one which X is still running on, usually 7 [17:49] wxl, i was able to kill lxpanel to unfreeze my system -- clicking Fcitx froze it again -- but now my taskbar is gone ... [17:49] i'm shocked you're having these problems [17:49] are you limited on resources, perhaps? [17:49] i opened xlterminal and typed lxpanel & and that brought it back [17:49] i have 1.6 GHz CPU and 2 GB RAM [17:50] ~40 GB HD [17:50] and how much of that RAM/CPU are you using? [17:50] how do i check that? via 'top' again? [17:50] well you can use the little task manager app [17:50] 0.0 - 4.0 us 'top' says [17:50] but top can help, too [17:51] CPU usage 5% [17:51] 9% [17:51] memory 395 MB of 2002 MB used [17:51] ok so you have plenty [17:51] looks like i'll need to log out and log in -- lxpanel is restarted but the color is off so the tabs are hard to read [17:51] do it again and see how they changed [17:51] hold on, i'll help you with that [17:51] waiting for my vm to boot [17:51] fixing the color of my taskbar? [17:51] you mean? [17:52] yep [17:52] at least i think XD [17:52] i k sigterm'd process id 761 i.e. lxpanel to unfreeze my computer [17:52] yep i'm right [17:53] you'd need to run `lxpanel --profile Lubuntu` to get your panel back the way it should be [17:53] did the alt ctrl f1 to do it via top, then +f7 like you said to go back to this usual screen [17:53] oh you can just run top in terminal silly [17:53] i mean that's what the ttys are--- terminals [17:53] they're just outside x [17:54] so if x freezes, you can still use the system [17:54] i couldn't at the time because clicking Fcitx froze the screen [17:54] keyboard as well [17:54] ah [17:54] i couldn't alt+tab to lxterminal [17:54] it's bizarre. for me it doesn't do next to anything to boot fcitx [17:54] you are on 18.04, right? [17:54] mmhmm [17:55] perhaps it might be something about the languages you're using [17:55] tell me everything you did [17:55] since ...? ... i just did the two c.. oh. there was one thing. [17:55] well, i did the commands at https://askubuntu.com/questions/567413/installing-japanese-language-support-from-command-line, but before that [17:55] which ones? [17:56] after installing it said some language support wasn't installed, so i just followed the prompts to install them -- at first login after installing from liveDVD [17:56] https://askubuntu.com/questions/567413/installing-japanese-language-support-from-command-line/567417#567417 these two [17:56] there's [17:56] more [17:56] than [17:56] two [17:56] and let's see if i have a photo of the message after installation ... [17:56] i thought i linked to the answer itself [17:56] sudo apt-get install language-pack-ja language-pack-gnome-ja language-pack-ja-base language-pack-gnome-ja-base [17:56] and [17:56] sudo apt-get install $(check-language-support) [17:56] only two commands in that answer [17:57] hm have to have check-language-support it seems [17:57] did you install it? [17:57] i did run that command and it installed a bunch of stuff [17:58] so somewhere along the way you already had language-selector-common installed [17:58] i am apparently missing /home/[username]/.config/autostart/xpad.desktop by the way [17:59] Xpad through that error when i first opened it [17:59] i'm not sure i understand what you're saying.. what gave you what specific error when? [17:59] the xpad error was when i tried opening xpad yesterday or the day before [17:59] just thought i'd bring it up if it might be related unbeknownst to me [18:00] maybe separate issue [18:00] did xpad open? [18:01] uhhh that check-language-support business may be flawed advice [18:01] it's loading all this qt4/5 stuff that's totally unnecessary [18:01] not to mention gtk3 which may be problematic in and of itself [18:02] yeah i think it broke my system D: [18:02] how do i undo [18:02] (i have no idea if it broke my system or not) [18:02] you could sudo apt purge $(check-language-support) [18:02] that was 4 years ago [18:02] maybe it's outdated? [18:03] as i said, the link in that answer to https://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/language-support-ja/ leads to an error too [18:03] which it would [18:03] lucid is long end of life [18:03] and there's no language-support packages [18:04] i'm confident the fcitx gtk3 front end is part of your problem [18:05] so do i have to manually uninstall everything that command installed? [18:06] or just uninstall a few things then 'sudo apt autoremove'? [18:06] sudo apt purge $(check-language-support) [18:06] then you'll probably need to autoremove [18:06] great! hooray good design [18:06] hey [18:06] before you hit ok on that, send me the list of packages it wants to remove [18:06] i mean that such a command exists [18:06] 'k [18:07] btw before i do i killed lxpanel in ctrl+alt+del task manager, and then in lxterminal executed lxpanel --profile Lubuntu & like you said and it seemed to work, but i'm getting messages in terminal [18:07] like [18:07] (lxpanel:2026): Wnck-WARNING **: 13:58:27.642: Unhandled action type _OB_WM_ACTION_UNDECORATE [18:08] that said, let's do the purging .. [18:08] don't worry about warnings [18:08] gtk is noisy [18:08] oh boy, that's not encouraging [18:08] warnings are NOT errors [18:09] errors are problems [18:09] warnings are just a notice, basically [18:09] it sounds bad, but it's not [18:09] no, i meant ... [18:09] https://pastebin.com/B7z319p5 [18:09] it didn't do anything -_- [18:10] aw hell ok that stinks [18:10] you'll need to pick through /var/log/apt/history.log and figure out all the packages [18:11] in fact [18:11] try this: [18:11] grep -A 2 check-language-support /var/log/apt/history.log [18:12] just returned the prompt, no messages [18:13] that's a bummer [18:13] then picking through the logs it is [18:13] but let's do this [18:13] first [18:13] i think i found it though [18:13] sudo apt purge fcitx-frontend-gtk3 fcitx-frontend-qt4 fcitx-frontend-qt5 kde-config-fcitx [18:13] oh [18:13] well, i already found two relevant sections in history.olg [18:13] those i think are giong to be the real problem children [18:14] https://pastebin.com/xfpTUfXT just fyi i guess [18:15] 'k please see https://pastebin.com/c71waZXX [18:16] yep do it [18:16] then autoremove [18:16] i guess i will say Y and then sudo apt autoremove, yep okay [18:17] https://pastebin.com/KQwWDCaQ it wants me to confirm again [18:18] do it [18:18] i guess I'll say Y [18:18] yep 'k [18:19] yay, i hope. more details about the removed packages: https://pastebin.com/MJUNX8QP [18:20] so do i need to restart? ... i guess not ... should i try clicking on that keyboard icon in my taskbar again? ... [18:25] sappheiros: probably don't need to restart, but a log in/out might not hurt. [18:33] my lxpanel is now showing the wifi icon twice -_- [18:33] i tried using Fcitx after a restart and it worked the first time i clicked on it, and i opened a virtual keyboard, but the second time i clicked on it it crashed again [18:33] and my lxterminal is taking a long time after opening it to show the prompt [18:46] https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086859/how-to-fix-lxpanel-showing-wifi-twice [18:53] wxl, just opened Language Support and it's saying again that first prompt when i booted for the first time after liveDVD installation, i think: "The language support is not installed completely" [18:53] it wants me to install fcitx-frontend-gtk3, fcitx-frontend-qt5, and fcitx-frontend-qt4 === lynorian_ is now known as lynorian [19:18] https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086869/how-do-i-fix-fcitx-from-freezing-my-keyboard-and-mouse-click [19:22] sappheiros: interesting thought experiment: try to re-do all the language stuff you did on a live image. i'm sure you can't get it to reproduce [19:22] sappheiros: and i hear what language support is saying but i'm not sure why it wants you to install ALL of that. it's so unnecessary.... and conflicting, too [19:23] 'k [19:23] yeah [19:23] does seem odd to ask for qt4 and qt5 [19:23] and gtk3 [19:23] and i did think gtk was a competitor to qt [19:23] you already have the gtk2 front end [19:23] it's an alternative toolkit and what we primarily use in lxqt, i.e. 18.10 and beyond [19:24] the extra wifi icons, supposedly, have to do with something that @tsimonq2 did but didn't fix.. i'm not sure of the details [19:24] isn't 18.04 supposed to be more stable than 18.10? [19:24] i'm wondering now if i should upgrade -_- [19:24] "stable" is a curious description [19:25] well, i mean, more supported -- what i mean is, "i shouldn't be having this problem" -_- [19:25] part of the reason we went with lxqt over lxde is because of how much more stable and reliable it is [19:25] with the LTS releases, you find very few major changes so the LIKELIHOOD of problems is smaller [19:25] that doesn't mean it's more stable [19:25] the support cycle is longer, though [19:25] are people regretting making lxde the longer support cycle if 18.10 has the more stable/reliable code? [19:26] no, because lxqt wasn't ready for primetime yet [19:26] so why choose 18.10 over 18.04? [19:26] as i said before, bugs do happen [19:26] because it's lxqt, i.e. it's the future. we will not be returning to lxde. [19:26] so 20.04 == LXQt :P [19:26] ^^ and that's the next LTS release [19:26] the interim releases are good ways to test and debug things prior to the next LTS :) [19:27] (this is always the case) [19:27] ugh then wouldn't i be helping more if i were to be dealing with this problem in 18.10 instead? [19:27] so shouldn't i just swap now? [19:27] as a means to try to solve this issue? [19:27] you shouldn't be having the problem in any version, ideally [19:28] ^ this [19:28] but i think you'd be better off going forward in 18.10. upgrading from lxde to lxqt is not easy/simple [19:28] i'm all depressed now [19:28] i think the issue with the extra wifi icons is that the "indicator applets" applet also provides networky stuff [19:29] lol https://lubuntu.me/about/ is down [19:29] why do you think that's a valid page? [19:29] AFAICT that isn't even on the sitemap o.O [19:30] sappheiros: the main lubuntu.me page seems to be the "About" page. [19:30] oop wait [19:30] wxl: i see it [19:30] "Explore Lubuntu's Features" -> lubuntu.me/about/ == 404 [19:30] bad link on the front page. [19:30] sigh more stuff @tsimonq2 needs to fix that he broke again :) [19:31] I CAN FIND EVERY BROKEN THING [19:31] >_> [19:31] i'm like a magnet [19:31] @wxl: can I make a phab task for it and assign it to simon wiht a big "FIX THIS!" message? :P [19:31] or do I not have that level of access [19:31] you should be able to [19:31] maybe pull wendy into it as she might have access but i'm sure only he knows what it's actually supposed to point to :/ [19:32] i wanted to win the lottery so i could go into software development, like develop ubuntu and answer questions [19:32] ... instead a guy in south carolina won [19:32] this dude won $1.6 billion [19:32] or $0.9 billion [19:32] that's insane [19:32] instead you can what the rest of us do [19:32] suffer the panic of never having enough time because you have to work for low wage? [19:33] just keep swimming [19:33] wxl: you mean TheWendyPower on Phab? [19:33] yeah teward [19:33] After lottery tax it will be 40% of that, then they apply the income taxes on whats left. But still a lot of money. [19:38] why replace leafpad with featherpad? [19:38] oh, because of QT switch? [19:39] yep [19:39] i think i would be so happy if i won it, because i would be able to do all the same stuff except not have so many money problems (car, debt, food, cold, living with mentally ill family) [19:39] it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay nicer [19:39] lol, featherpad? or QT? [19:39] both [19:40] pretty exciting youtube vid [19:40] @ https://lubuntu.me/cosmic-released/ [19:40] makes me feel bad i just spent so many hours setting up 18.04 ... [19:41] erm, it sounds like it the installation might not properly manage my GRUB/partitions?? [19:41] i don't know if my HD uses an EFI system [19:42] it should fine. what makes you think it won't? [19:44] i just think i read something about EFI lately and had to do something with it, but i don't really remember [19:44] it's a dell d620 [19:44] there is something with efi and encryption [19:44] i don't think i encrypted the hard drive [19:44] can you confirm nm-applet is running on your machine? [19:44] basically i'm nervous because if my win7 partition gets messed up then i'm screwed, because i bought this from amazon and they didn't give me the win license [19:45] now? about lxpanel? the second instance of the wifi icon went away [19:45] i might have restarted lxpanel, not sure [19:45] reboot the machine [19:47] 26 min left for the 18.10 download [19:47] i was thinking to just overwrite the 18.04 installation [19:49] @sappheiros check exhaustively if 18.10 can doy all the things you want/need before installing. At this time there are some things that are more difficult to do in 18.10 vs 18.04, propietary drivers for instance. [19:49] D: ... thank you ... so i can't play DVD? [19:49] netflix? [19:50] netflix: you can run it on firefox or chrome (because of DRM) [19:51] but, non of those can use hw acceleration, so if your machine isn't powerfull enough, you might up with strange behaivour (in 18.04 and 18.10) [19:51] i don't know anything about hw acceleration [19:52] what about wine? [19:52] for dvd: https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/first-lubuntu read where it says "install some extra software" [19:52] i would like to use win xp software which i think requires wine [19:52] i'm downloading at 1.00 MB/s from 5 peers; is Comcast throttling me? ... [19:53] 8/49 -> 1.05 MB/s [19:53] via Transmission and the lubuntu link at https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ [19:54] wine: I have had some issues with wine in 18.10 the shortcuts are not created in the menu, but I'm not sure is a problem of my system or in generla. Besides that, everything is ok. [19:54] > is Comcast throttling me? [19:54] rhetorical question [19:55] @sappheiros [ i don't know anything about hw acceleration], main point, there should be no difference between 18.04 or 18.10 in this point. [19:56] for dvd, try this: ... sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-extras ... sudo apt-get install libdvd-pkg ... sudo dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg ... sudo apt-mark hold libdvd-pkg libdvdcss2 libdvdcss-dev [20:01] 500 kB/s from 30 of 50 peers -- i mean, certainly a torrent would get higher speeds than that from 30 people, right? [20:02] rhetorical question meaning: yes, they're throttling you [20:02] oh. [20:18] btw sappheiros https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086859/how-to-fix-lxpanel-showing-wifi-twice/1086885#1086885 [20:24] happened in one of my machines:'ubuntu-bug ubuntu-release-upgrader-core' [20:24] *missing [20:24] not understanding your issue [20:24] just a warning i received [20:25] you got a warning that says "ubuntu-bug ubuntu-release-upgrader-core?" [20:25] yes [20:26] that seems unlikely [20:26] do you have the actual complete text? [20:26] a screenshot? [20:26] muxator was added by: muxator [20:27] nope... its gone sorry... everything seems to upgrade properly so far [20:28] complete information is required to provide a complete solution :( [20:28] sorry my bad [20:30] Hi everyone. I have a very silly question. I am on lubuntu 18.10. I am not finding where's the UI to add new icons to the quicklaunch of lxqt-panel. [20:32] I have been trying to discover it by myself since three days, looked at the manuals, but I am really not being able to identify what to do to add an icon to the quick launch. Thanks for the help! [20:32] @muxator you mean to the right of the menu [20:32] ? [20:34] cuz if you do you'll be shocked at how easy it is [20:34] @wxl, yes. The quicklaunch is the widget that by default contains the icons of pcmanfm-qt and firefox. [20:34] I am sure I will be baffled! :) [20:34] open the menu [20:34] find the icon you want [20:35] drag and drop it [20:35] needless to say it's so obvious it's not obvious XD [20:35] ...aaaand it worked like charm! Thanks. [20:35] lynorian: that might be a good one for the manual XD [20:36] The closest I got in my trial and error was open the menu, finding the icon I wanted, RIGHT CLICKING, and nothing happened. I did not try to drag it. [20:37] @muxator we'll get it in the manual. thanks again :) [20:38] Thanks again, and thanks for the update on the manual, bye! [20:38] np be welL! [20:38] am i correct in thinking a more elegant solution, and one that would benefit me going forward, is simply to drop 18.04 for 18.10? [20:38] rather than what wxl suggests in that answer? [20:39] i just installed 18.04 1-2 days ago [20:39] i think you'll benefit overall [20:39] BUT [20:39] since you asked the question [20:39] you have the responsibility of checking the provided answer and accepting it or not [20:40] ... oh. right ... [20:40] ... i kinda thought i could post "upgraded to 18.10, problem solved" and accept that as the solution if it works >_> [20:40] then over time lxde users could upvote the lxde solution if it turns out to be more popular [20:40] Slider1 was removed by: Slider1 [20:40] if you do that on Ask Ubuntu your question is either closed or your answer is hoovered up and thrown into the Void by the reviewers, sappheiros [20:40] probably not a good idea for people who want to stay with 18.04 and many folks will [20:41] disclaimer: i'm an Ask Ubuntu moderator :p [20:41] teward is an askubuntu bigwig so bow to him XD [20:41] ***WORSHIP ME AND MY POWER!*** Um, I mean... yeah I'm a mod. [20:41] lol [20:41] note too that i mention that probably fixes your fcitx issue, too, so it might nullify/solve the other question [20:42] but man why does my computer have to think before opening LXTerminal [20:42] i'm wondering if i installed a trojan from another askubuntu answer [20:42] i mean, before LXterminal shows prompt [20:42] didn't you say you added something to bashrc? [20:43] i did, anaconda thing [20:43] comment it out and see if it improves things [20:43] brb testing solution [20:44] muxator was removed by: muxator [20:45] a confounding variable just occurred to me: i switched from wifi to ethernet before testing solution [20:45] i mean to say, i plugged in ethernet cable and the icon switched to the connected rectangles as the connection went to ethernet [20:46] but wifi is still enabled, and it looks like i'm actually connected to both wifi and ethernet [20:46] only one nm-applet icon it looks to me (i.e. only one ethernet icon, no wifi icon) [20:47] (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/TENFnwk.jpg @lubuntu_bot [20:47] @wxl [ a screenshot?], managed to do it again [20:47] よかった！ [20:48]