[08:11] <Senoraraton> My lubuntu installation won't log in now.  It just looks me.  I tried digging around in the terminal but couldn't make any headway.  Any thoughts?
[08:11] <Senoraraton> Loops
[08:11] <Senoraraton> It will let me login in the terminal.
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/WwD9f8g4/file_4367.mp4
[16:00] <wxl[m]> Senoraraton: check your log files for hints. I'm sure you did something to break things. My guess is if you make a new user, it works fine.
[16:38] <sappheiros> how do i install japanese keyboard? https://askubuntu.com/questions/567413/installing-japanese-language-support-from-command-line did not give me a keyboard icon to click to switch to japanese text, and the link in the accepted answer returns an error now
[16:44] <wxl> @sappheiros: does the apt install $(check-language-support) work?
[16:53] <sappheiros> wxl, okay, it just finished installing a lot more, but it's still not clear to me how i now proceed to type in japanese
[16:54] <wxl> sappheiros: configure fcitx
[17:02] <sappheiros> wxl, pretty frustrated right now. I typed up a response to share with you on Leafpad after my computer crashed, and then my finger accidentally pushed some key, and after a moment the Leafpad window just vanished.
[17:03] <wxl> sappheiros: is it still running?
[17:03] <sappheiros> wxl, I clicked Fcitx within System Tools and a keyboard icon appeared in the right of my taskbar. Clicking it a grey rectangle opened and my computer froze, no longer responding to mouse clicks or keyboard.
[17:03] <sappheiros> I just clicked 'Send' to send a report to developers about the Leafpad crash.
[17:03] <wxl> oh this is 18.04, too, eh
[17:03] <sappheiros> Does everyone always have problems with Linux?
[17:03] <sappheiros> or with ubuntu?
[17:03] <wxl> everyone has problems with everything
[17:04] <wxl> you think microsoft software is flawless?
[17:04] <sappheiros> i have never had an experience with ubuntu where something doesn't crash or instructions don't fail me
[17:04] <sappheiros> well, fair point.
[17:04] <wxl> they've *RECENTLY* had bugs that were deleting files
[17:04] <sappheiros> i don't recall problems with windows xp
[17:04] <sappheiros> but since then, yeah, every windows OS has had problems
[17:04] <wxl> xp was a security nightmare
[17:04] <sappheiros> i was too young maybe to know that
[17:04] <sappheiros> but windows 10 i took as a personal insult, it was so bad lol
[17:04] <sappheiros> i made the mistake of getting a surface pro 4 for work
[17:05] <wxl> it's foolish to think that anything is going to be infallible
[17:05] <sappheiros> "wtf did i pay money to be a beta tester"
[17:05] <sappheiros> my opinion about the surface pro 4 + win 10
[17:05] <sappheiros> i submitted over 400 feedback of bugs etc with 2/3 upvoted by others
[17:05] <wxl> the nice thing about open source software is that you have ready access to the people who are working with it and can actually have conversations with them
[17:05] <sappheiros> yeah ...
[17:05] <wxl> AND if you want to fix it you can
[17:05] <sappheiros> microsoft's discussions board can't hold a candle to askubuntu
[17:05] <sappheiros> or stackexchange
[17:05] <wxl> and if you don't, you didn't pay anything for ity
[17:05] <wxl> OR IRC
[17:06]  * wxl looks around for that windows irc channel
[17:06] <sappheiros> literally, microsoft discussions will have bots posting WRONG answers and automatically accept them
[17:06] <sappheiros> it was astonishingly bad
[17:06] <wxl> so
[17:06] <wxl> bugs happen
[17:06] <sappheiros> like, moderator bots ending threads with useless info ...
[17:07] <sappheiros> so why did Fcitx crash my computer?
[17:07] <sappheiros> should i try right clicking instead of left clicking this time?
[17:07] <wxl> now for the bad thing about open source software: it's pretty much entirely done by volunteers. we work very hard to test and improve, but we can't get 100% coverage.
[17:07] <sappheiros> how do i unfreeze the computer instead of holding power button to hard shutoff?
[17:07] <wxl> depends upon the type of freeze
[17:08] <wxl> you can try opening a virtual terminal to begin with, i.e. with ctrl-alt-f1
[17:08] <wxl> if you can open that, it's not dead
[17:08] <wxl> you can always log in and run, e.g. `top` to see what, if anything, might be running madly, and kill it
[17:08] <wxl> then you should be back to normal
[17:09] <sappheiros> LXTerminal is taking a long time to open the prompt now
[17:09] <sappheiros> is that due to me installing anaconda and initializing it to bashrc?
[17:09] <wxl> then you probably have some runaway program
[17:10] <sappheiros> how do i kill a runaway after viewing 'top'?
[17:10] <wxl> i just ran fcitx. the keyboard indicator icon comes up in the taskbar. right click gives me lxpanel options. left click are fcitx options. no crash.
[17:11] <wxl> hit k and then it will ask for a process id, defaulting to the one at the top
[17:34] <sappheiros> wxl, probably better to tell someone how to get out of the ttys (tty1?) after pressing ctrl+alt+f1 ... i had to shutdown -r to get out ...
[17:34] <wxl> well i didn't expect you to disappear......
[17:34] <sappheiros> exit and quit() didn't work
[17:34] <sappheiros> i just pushed ctrl+alt+f1 and the full screen went into a terminal and i couldn't get out
[17:34] <sappheiros> a little knowledge is a dangerous thing ;/
[17:35] <genii> Just use the same key combo and cycle through the F keys until you hit the one which X is still running on, usually 7
[17:49] <sappheiros> wxl, i was able to kill lxpanel to unfreeze my system -- clicking Fcitx froze it again -- but now my taskbar is gone ...
[17:49] <wxl> i'm shocked you're having these problems
[17:49] <wxl> are you limited on resources, perhaps?
[17:49] <sappheiros> i opened xlterminal and typed lxpanel & and that brought it back
[17:49] <sappheiros> i have 1.6 GHz CPU and 2 GB RAM
[17:50] <sappheiros> ~40 GB HD
[17:50] <wxl> and how much of that RAM/CPU are you using?
[17:50] <sappheiros> how do i check that? via 'top' again?
[17:50] <wxl> well you can use the little task manager app
[17:50] <sappheiros> 0.0 - 4.0 us 'top' says
[17:50] <wxl> but top can help, too
[17:51] <sappheiros> CPU usage 5%
[17:51] <sappheiros> 9%
[17:51] <sappheiros> memory 395 MB of 2002 MB used
[17:51] <wxl> ok so you have plenty
[17:51] <sappheiros> looks like i'll need to log out and log in -- lxpanel is restarted but the color is off so the tabs are hard to read
[17:51] <wxl> do it again and see how they changed
[17:51] <wxl> hold on, i'll help you with that
[17:51] <wxl> waiting for my vm to boot
[17:51] <sappheiros> fixing the color of my taskbar?
[17:51] <sappheiros> you mean?
[17:52] <wxl> yep
[17:52] <wxl> at least i think XD
[17:52] <sappheiros> i k sigterm'd process id 761 i.e. lxpanel to unfreeze my computer
[17:52] <wxl> yep i'm right
[17:53] <wxl> you'd need to run `lxpanel --profile Lubuntu` to get your panel back the way it should be
[17:53] <sappheiros> did the alt ctrl f1 to do it via top, then +f7 like you said to go back to this usual screen
[17:53] <wxl> oh you can just run top in terminal silly
[17:53] <wxl> i mean that's what the ttys are--- terminals
[17:53] <wxl> they're just outside x
[17:54] <wxl> so if x freezes, you can still use the system
[17:54] <sappheiros> i couldn't at the time because clicking Fcitx froze the screen
[17:54] <sappheiros> keyboard as well
[17:54] <wxl> ah
[17:54] <sappheiros> i couldn't alt+tab to lxterminal
[17:54] <wxl> it's bizarre. for me it doesn't do next to anything to boot fcitx
[17:54] <wxl> you are on 18.04, right?
[17:54] <sappheiros> mmhmm
[17:55] <wxl> perhaps it might be something about the languages you're using
[17:55] <wxl> tell me everything you did
[17:55] <sappheiros> since ...? ... i just did the two c.. oh. there was one thing.
[17:55] <sappheiros> well, i did the commands at https://askubuntu.com/questions/567413/installing-japanese-language-support-from-command-line, but before that
[17:55] <wxl> which ones?
[17:56] <sappheiros> after installing it said some language support wasn't installed, so i just followed the prompts to install them -- at first login after installing from liveDVD
[17:56] <sappheiros> https://askubuntu.com/questions/567413/installing-japanese-language-support-from-command-line/567417#567417 these two
[17:56] <wxl> there's
[17:56] <wxl> more
[17:56] <wxl> than
[17:56] <wxl> two
[17:56] <sappheiros> and let's see if i have a photo of the message after installation ...
[17:56] <sappheiros> i thought i linked to the answer itself
[17:56] <sappheiros> sudo apt-get install language-pack-ja language-pack-gnome-ja language-pack-ja-base language-pack-gnome-ja-base
[17:56] <sappheiros> and
[17:56] <sappheiros> sudo apt-get install $(check-language-support)
[17:56] <sappheiros> only two commands in that answer
[17:57] <wxl> hm have to have check-language-support it seems
[17:57] <wxl> did you install it?
[17:57] <sappheiros> i did run that command and it installed a bunch of stuff
[17:58] <wxl> so somewhere along the way you already had language-selector-common installed
[17:58] <sappheiros> i am apparently missing /home/[username]/.config/autostart/xpad.desktop by the way
[17:59] <sappheiros> Xpad through that error when i first opened it
[17:59] <wxl> i'm not sure i understand what you're saying.. what gave you what specific error when?
[17:59] <sappheiros> the xpad error was when i tried opening xpad yesterday or the day before
[17:59] <sappheiros> just thought i'd bring it up if it might be related unbeknownst to me
[18:00] <sappheiros> maybe separate issue
[18:00] <wxl> did xpad open?
[18:01] <wxl> uhhh that check-language-support business may be flawed advice
[18:01] <wxl> it's loading all this qt4/5 stuff that's totally unnecessary
[18:01] <wxl> not to mention gtk3 which may be problematic in and of itself
[18:02] <sappheiros> yeah i think it broke my system D:
[18:02] <sappheiros> how do i undo
[18:02] <sappheiros> (i have no idea if it broke my system or not)
[18:02] <wxl> you could sudo apt purge $(check-language-support)
[18:02] <sappheiros> that was 4 years ago
[18:02] <sappheiros> maybe it's outdated?
[18:03] <sappheiros> as i said, the link in that answer to https://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/language-support-ja/ leads to an error too
[18:03] <wxl> which it would
[18:03] <wxl> lucid is long end of life
[18:03] <wxl> and there's no language-support packages
[18:04] <wxl> i'm confident the fcitx gtk3 front end is part of your problem
[18:05] <sappheiros> so do i have to manually uninstall everything that command installed?
[18:06] <sappheiros> or just uninstall a few things then 'sudo apt autoremove'?
[18:06] <wxl> sudo apt purge $(check-language-support)
[18:06] <wxl> then you'll probably need to autoremove
[18:06] <sappheiros> great! hooray good design
[18:06] <wxl> hey
[18:06] <wxl> before you hit ok on that, send me the list of packages it wants to remove
[18:06] <sappheiros> i mean that such a command exists
[18:06] <sappheiros> 'k
[18:07] <sappheiros> btw before i do i killed lxpanel in ctrl+alt+del task manager, and then in lxterminal executed lxpanel --profile Lubuntu & like you said and it seemed to work, but i'm getting messages in terminal
[18:07] <sappheiros> like
[18:07] <sappheiros> (lxpanel:2026): Wnck-WARNING **: 13:58:27.642: Unhandled action type _OB_WM_ACTION_UNDECORATE
[18:08] <sappheiros> that said, let's do the purging ..
[18:08] <wxl> don't worry about warnings
[18:08] <wxl> gtk is noisy
[18:08] <sappheiros> oh boy, that's not encouraging
[18:08] <wxl> warnings are NOT errors
[18:09] <wxl> errors are problems
[18:09] <wxl> warnings are just a notice, basically
[18:09] <wxl> it sounds bad, but it's not
[18:09] <sappheiros> no, i meant ...
[18:09] <sappheiros> https://pastebin.com/B7z319p5
[18:09] <sappheiros> it didn't do anything -_-
[18:10] <wxl> aw hell ok that stinks
[18:10] <wxl> you'll need to pick through /var/log/apt/history.log and figure out all the packages
[18:11] <wxl> in fact
[18:11] <wxl> try this:
[18:11] <wxl> grep -A 2 check-language-support /var/log/apt/history.log
[18:12] <sappheiros> just returned the prompt, no messages
[18:13] <wxl> that's a bummer
[18:13] <wxl> then picking through the logs it is
[18:13] <wxl> but let's do this
[18:13] <wxl> first
[18:13] <sappheiros> i think i found it though
[18:13] <wxl> sudo apt purge fcitx-frontend-gtk3 fcitx-frontend-qt4 fcitx-frontend-qt5 kde-config-fcitx
[18:13] <sappheiros> oh
[18:13] <sappheiros> well, i already found two relevant sections in history.olg
[18:13] <wxl> those i think are giong to be the real problem children
[18:14] <sappheiros> https://pastebin.com/xfpTUfXT just fyi i guess
[18:15] <sappheiros> 'k please see https://pastebin.com/c71waZXX
[18:16] <wxl> yep do it
[18:16] <wxl> then autoremove
[18:16] <sappheiros> i guess i will say Y and then sudo apt autoremove, yep okay
[18:17] <sappheiros> https://pastebin.com/KQwWDCaQ it wants me to confirm again
[18:18] <wxl> do it
[18:18] <sappheiros> i guess I'll say Y
[18:18] <sappheiros> yep 'k
[18:19] <sappheiros> yay, i hope. more details about the removed packages: https://pastebin.com/MJUNX8QP
[18:20] <sappheiros> so do i need to restart? ... i guess not ... should i try clicking on that keyboard icon in my taskbar again? ...
[18:25] <wxl> sappheiros: probably don't need to restart, but a log in/out might not hurt.
[18:33] <sappheiros> my lxpanel is now showing the wifi icon twice -_-
[18:33] <sappheiros> i tried using Fcitx after a restart and it worked the first time i clicked on it, and i opened a virtual keyboard, but the second time i clicked on it it crashed again
[18:33] <sappheiros> and my lxterminal is taking a long time after opening it to show the prompt
[18:46] <sappheiros> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086859/how-to-fix-lxpanel-showing-wifi-twice
[18:53] <sappheiros> wxl, just opened Language Support and it's saying again that first prompt when i booted for the first time after liveDVD installation, i think: "The language support is not installed completely"
[18:53] <sappheiros> it wants me to install fcitx-frontend-gtk3, fcitx-frontend-qt5, and fcitx-frontend-qt4
[19:18] <sappheiros> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086869/how-do-i-fix-fcitx-from-freezing-my-keyboard-and-mouse-click
[19:22] <wxl> sappheiros: interesting thought experiment: try to re-do all the language stuff you did on a live image. i'm sure you can't get it to reproduce
[19:22] <wxl> sappheiros: and i hear what language support is saying but i'm not sure why it wants you to install ALL of that. it's so unnecessary.... and conflicting, too
[19:23] <sappheiros> 'k
[19:23] <sappheiros> yeah
[19:23] <sappheiros> does seem odd to ask for qt4 and qt5
[19:23] <wxl> and gtk3
[19:23] <sappheiros> and i did think gtk was a competitor to qt
[19:23] <wxl> you already have the gtk2 front end
[19:23] <wxl> it's an alternative toolkit and what we primarily use in lxqt, i.e. 18.10 and beyond
[19:24] <wxl> the extra wifi icons, supposedly, have to do with something that @tsimonq2 did but didn't fix.. i'm not sure of the details
[19:24] <sappheiros> isn't 18.04 supposed to be more stable than 18.10?
[19:24] <sappheiros> i'm wondering now if i should upgrade -_-
[19:24] <wxl> "stable" is a curious description
[19:25] <sappheiros> well, i mean, more supported -- what i mean is, "i shouldn't be having this problem" -_-
[19:25] <wxl> part of the reason we went with lxqt over lxde is because of how much more stable and reliable it is
[19:25] <wxl> with the LTS releases, you find very few major changes so the LIKELIHOOD of problems is smaller
[19:25] <wxl> that doesn't mean it's more stable
[19:25] <wxl> the support cycle is longer, though
[19:25] <sappheiros> are people regretting making lxde the longer support cycle if 18.10 has the more stable/reliable code?
[19:26] <wxl> no, because lxqt wasn't ready for primetime yet
[19:26] <sappheiros> so why choose 18.10 over 18.04?
[19:26] <wxl> as i said before, bugs do happen
[19:26] <wxl> because it's lxqt, i.e. it's the future. we will not be returning to lxde.
[19:26] <teward> so 20.04 == LXQt :P
[19:26] <wxl> ^^ and that's the next LTS release
[19:26] <teward> the interim releases are good ways to test and debug things prior to the next LTS :)
[19:27] <teward> (this is always the case)
[19:27] <sappheiros> ugh then wouldn't i be helping more if i were to be dealing with this problem in 18.10 instead?
[19:27] <sappheiros> so shouldn't i just swap now?
[19:27] <sappheiros> as a means to try to solve this issue?
[19:27] <wxl> you shouldn't be having the problem in any version, ideally
[19:28] <teward> ^ this
[19:28] <wxl> but i think you'd be better off going forward in 18.10. upgrading from lxde to lxqt is not easy/simple
[19:28] <sappheiros> i'm all depressed now
[19:28] <wxl> i think the issue with the extra wifi icons is that the "indicator applets" applet also provides networky stuff
[19:29] <sappheiros> lol https://lubuntu.me/about/ is down
[19:29] <wxl> why do you think that's a valid page?
[19:29] <teward> AFAICT that isn't even on the sitemap o.O
[19:30] <teward> sappheiros: the main lubuntu.me page seems to be the "About" page.
[19:30] <teward> oop wait
[19:30] <teward> wxl: i see it
[19:30] <teward> "Explore Lubuntu's Features" -> lubuntu.me/about/ == 404
[19:30] <teward> bad link on the front page.
[19:30] <wxl> sigh more stuff @tsimonq2 needs to fix that he broke again :)
[19:31] <sappheiros> I CAN FIND EVERY BROKEN THING
[19:31] <sappheiros> >_>
[19:31] <sappheiros> i'm like a magnet
[19:31] <teward> @wxl: can I make a phab task for it and assign it to simon wiht a big "FIX THIS!" message? :P
[19:31] <teward> or do I not have that level of access
[19:31] <wxl> you should be able to
[19:31] <wxl> maybe pull wendy into it as she might have access but i'm sure only he knows what it's actually supposed to point to :/
[19:32] <sappheiros> i wanted to win the lottery so i could go into software development, like develop ubuntu and answer questions
[19:32] <sappheiros> ... instead a guy in south carolina won
[19:32] <sappheiros> this dude won $1.6 billion
[19:32] <sappheiros> or $0.9 billion
[19:32] <sappheiros> that's insane
[19:32] <wxl> instead you can what the rest of us do
[19:32] <sappheiros> suffer the panic of never having enough time because you have to work for low wage?
[19:33] <wxl> just keep swimming
[19:33] <teward> wxl: you mean TheWendyPower on Phab?
[19:33] <wxl> yeah teward
[19:33] <genii> After lottery tax it will be 40% of that, then they apply the income taxes on whats left. But still a lot of money.
[19:38] <sappheiros> why replace leafpad with featherpad?
[19:38] <sappheiros> oh, because of QT switch?
[19:39] <wxl> yep
[19:39] <sappheiros> i think i would be so happy if i won it, because i would be able to do all the same stuff except not have so many money problems (car, debt, food, cold, living with mentally ill family)
[19:39] <wxl> it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay nicer
[19:39] <sappheiros> lol, featherpad? or QT?
[19:39] <wxl> both
[19:40] <sappheiros> pretty exciting youtube vid
[19:40] <sappheiros> @ https://lubuntu.me/cosmic-released/
[19:40] <sappheiros> makes me feel bad i just spent so many hours setting up 18.04 ...
[19:41] <sappheiros> erm, it sounds like it the installation might not properly manage my GRUB/partitions??
[19:41] <sappheiros> i don't know if my HD uses an EFI system
[19:42] <wxl> it should fine. what makes you think it won't?
[19:44] <sappheiros> i just think i read something about EFI lately and had to do something with it, but i don't really remember
[19:44] <sappheiros> it's a dell d620
[19:44] <wxl> there is something with efi and encryption
[19:44] <sappheiros> i don't think i encrypted the hard drive
[19:44] <wxl> can you confirm nm-applet is running on your machine?
[19:44] <sappheiros> basically i'm nervous because if my win7 partition gets messed up then i'm screwed, because i bought this from amazon and they didn't give me the win license
[19:45] <sappheiros> now? about lxpanel? the second instance of the wifi icon went away
[19:45] <sappheiros> i might have restarted lxpanel, not sure
[19:45] <wxl> reboot the machine
[19:47] <sappheiros> 26 min left for the 18.10 download
[19:47] <sappheiros> i was thinking to just overwrite the 18.04 installation
 @sappheiros check exhaustively if 18.10 can doy all the things you want/need before installing. At this time there are some things that are more difficult to do in 18.10 vs 18.04, propietary drivers for instance.
[19:49] <sappheiros> D: ... thank you ... so i can't play DVD?
[19:49] <sappheiros> netflix?
 netflix: you can run it on firefox or chrome (because of DRM)
 but, non of those can use hw acceleration, so if your machine isn't powerfull enough, you might up with strange behaivour (in 18.04 and 18.10)
[19:51] <sappheiros> i don't know anything about hw acceleration
[19:52] <sappheiros> what about wine?
 for dvd: https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/first-lubuntu read where it says "install some extra software"
[19:52] <sappheiros> i would like to use win xp software which i think requires wine
[19:52] <sappheiros> i'm downloading at 1.00 MB/s from 5 peers; is Comcast throttling me? ...
[19:53] <sappheiros> 8/49 -> 1.05 MB/s
[19:53] <sappheiros> via Transmission and the lubuntu link at https://lubuntu.me/downloads/
 wine: I have had some issues with wine in 18.10 the shortcuts are not created in the menu, but I'm not sure is a problem of my system or in generla. Besides that, everything is ok.
[19:54] <wxl> > is Comcast throttling me?
[19:54] <wxl> rhetorical question
 @sappheiros [<sappheiros> i don't know anything about hw acceleration], main point, there should be no difference between 18.04 or 18.10 in this point.
 for dvd, try this: ... sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-extras ... sudo apt-get install libdvd-pkg ... sudo dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg ... sudo apt-mark hold libdvd-pkg libdvdcss2 libdvdcss-dev
[20:01] <sappheiros> 500 kB/s from 30 of 50 peers -- i mean, certainly a torrent would get higher speeds than that from 30 people, right?
[20:02] <wxl> rhetorical question meaning: yes, they're throttling you
[20:02] <sappheiros> oh.
[20:18] <wxl> btw sappheiros https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086859/how-to-fix-lxpanel-showing-wifi-twice/1086885#1086885
 happened in one of my machines:'ubuntu-bug ubuntu-release-upgrader-core'
 *missing
[20:24] <wxl> not understanding your issue
 just a warning i received
[20:25] <wxl> you got a warning that says "ubuntu-bug ubuntu-release-upgrader-core?"
 yes
[20:26] <wxl> that seems unlikely
[20:26] <wxl> do you have the actual complete text?
[20:26] <wxl> a screenshot?
 nope... its gone sorry... everything seems to upgrade properly so far
[20:28] <wxl> complete information is required to provide a complete solution :(
 sorry my bad
 Hi everyone. I have a very silly question. I am on lubuntu 18.10. I am not finding where's the UI to add new icons to the quicklaunch of lxqt-panel.
 I have been trying to discover it by myself since three days, looked at the manuals, but I am really not being able to identify what to do to add an icon to the quick launch. Thanks for the help!
[20:32] <wxl> @muxator you mean to the right of the menu
[20:32] <wxl> ?
[20:34] <wxl> cuz if you do you'll be shocked at how easy it is
 @wxl, yes. The quicklaunch is the widget that by default contains the icons of pcmanfm-qt and firefox.
 I am sure I will be baffled! :)
[20:34] <wxl> open the menu
[20:34] <wxl> find the icon you want
[20:35] <wxl> drag and drop it
[20:35] <wxl> needless to say it's so obvious it's not obvious XD
 ...aaaand it worked like charm! Thanks.
[20:35] <wxl> lynorian: that might be a good one for the manual XD
 The closest I got in my trial and error was open the menu, finding the icon I wanted, RIGHT CLICKING, and nothing happened. I did not try to drag it.
[20:37] <wxl> @muxator we'll get it in the manual. thanks again :)
 Thanks again, and thanks for the update on the manual, bye!
[20:38] <wxl> np be welL!
[20:38] <sappheiros> am i correct in thinking a more elegant solution, and one that would benefit me going forward, is simply to drop 18.04 for 18.10?
[20:38] <sappheiros> rather than what wxl suggests in that answer?
[20:39] <sappheiros> i just installed 18.04 1-2 days ago
[20:39] <wxl> i think you'll benefit overall
[20:39] <wxl> BUT
[20:39] <wxl> since you asked the question
[20:39] <wxl> you have the responsibility of checking the provided answer and accepting it or not
[20:40] <sappheiros> ... oh. right ...
[20:40] <sappheiros> ... i kinda thought i could post "upgraded to 18.10, problem solved" and accept that as the solution if it works >_>
[20:40] <sappheiros> then over time lxde users could upvote the lxde solution if it turns out to be more popular
[20:40] <teward> if you do that on Ask Ubuntu your question is either closed or your answer is hoovered up and thrown into the Void by the reviewers, sappheiros
[20:40] <wxl> probably not a good idea for people who want to stay with 18.04 and many folks will
[20:41] <teward> disclaimer: i'm an Ask Ubuntu moderator :p
[20:41] <wxl> teward is an askubuntu bigwig so bow to him XD
[20:41] <teward> ***WORSHIP ME AND MY POWER!*** Um, I mean... yeah I'm a mod.
[20:41] <sappheiros> lol
[20:41] <wxl> note too that i mention that probably fixes your fcitx issue, too, so it might nullify/solve the other question
[20:42] <sappheiros> but man why does my computer have to think before opening LXTerminal
[20:42] <sappheiros> i'm wondering if i installed a trojan from another askubuntu answer
[20:42] <sappheiros> i mean, before LXterminal shows prompt
[20:42] <wxl> didn't you say you added something to bashrc?
[20:43] <sappheiros> i did, anaconda thing
[20:43] <wxl> comment it out and see if it improves things
[20:43] <sappheiros> brb testing solution
[20:45] <sappheiros> a confounding variable just occurred to me: i switched from wifi to ethernet before testing solution
[20:45] <sappheiros> i mean to say, i plugged in ethernet cable and the icon switched to the connected rectangles as the connection went to ethernet
[20:46] <sappheiros> but wifi is still enabled, and it looks like i'm actually connected to both wifi and ethernet
[20:46] <sappheiros> only one nm-applet icon it looks to me (i.e. only one ethernet icon, no wifi icon)
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/TENFnwk.jpg @lubuntu_bot
 @wxl [<wxl> a screenshot?], managed to do it again
[20:47] <sappheiros> よかった！
[20:48] <sappheiros> that did seem to fix the problem!
[20:48] <sappheiros> except Mozc takes my dvorak keyboard so i have to type japanese in dvorak, instead of in qwerty
[20:48] <wxl> not sure abou thtat issue. bug the mozc (google) folks :)
[20:50] <sappheiros> > Thank you for your review.   You need at least 2k reputation to continue reviewing suggested edits.
[20:50] <sappheiros> lol that's quite a leap
[20:50] <sappheiros> 1 edit: no problem. 2 edits: TWO THOUSAND REPUTATION!
[20:50] <wxl> for your own question? god weird
[20:51] <wxl> you don't have to accept the edit, but you should be able to accept the answer
[20:51] <wxl> @bonacin91 can you install lubuntu-core?
 dunno still upgrading
 this machine is pretty slow
[20:53] <wxl> well you should try to install it. failing that, follow the instructions and run `ubuntu-bug ubuntu-release-upgrader-core`
 okey dokey
 thanks
[20:53] <wxl> oh hm. we don't have lubuntu-core anymore. i guess that's why
[20:54] <wxl> there's now lubuntu-qt/gtk-core
[20:54] <wxl> unfortunately upgrades from 18.04 to 18.10 are guaranteed to be rocky
[20:55] <wxl> ^ lynorian ANOTHER thing to add to the manual re: upgrades.. can't upgrade lubuntu-core
[20:55] <sappheiros> do you mean if we try to upgrade without using installation media to overwrite partition?
[20:56] <wxl> sappheiros: yes
[20:56] <sappheiros> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick internal server error again
[20:57] <sappheiros> any webpage to guide me in making USB boot drive from iso?
 in linux or windows?
[21:04] <sappheiros> not sure if i should be looking at https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu#0 ...
 in lubuntu there shold be a "startup disk creation tool"  I believe it is in system tools
[21:05]  * sappheiros reads https://manual.lubuntu.me/1/1.2/booting_the_image.html instead
[21:08] <sappheiros> lubot, how do I autocomplete 'HMollerCl'? ...
 You don't, it's on Telegram :)
[21:09] <sappheiros> i don't see that in System Tools for 18.04.1, but your manual recommends https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb
[21:09]  * sappheiros feels like the odd one out for using hexchat
 But to ping him, type it with a @, like this: @HMollerCl
[21:09] <sappheiros> i ... almost did that ...
 Hehe
 HWat I'm good for?
[21:12] <sappheiros> sudo apt-get install mkusb mkusb-nox usb-pack-efi
[21:12] <sappheiros> a ton of stuff installs
[21:13] <sappheiros> seems like so much work goes into it
[21:18] <sappheiros> does 18.10 take more HD than 18.04?
[21:21] <lynorian> sappheiros: yes more stuff installed with more features
[21:23] <sappheiros> D:
[21:23] <sappheiros> i was hoping modularity meant a leaner default installation
[21:24] <lynorian> it is still not exactly way to big and you could remove programs you don't want but that makes upgrading a bit difficult once the metapackage gets removed
[21:24] <sappheiros> mkusb quick start pdf appears to contain a typo
[21:25] <sappheiros> i mean, an egregious one
[21:25] <sappheiros> page 5
[21:25] <sappheiros> ●
[21:25] <sappheiros> Example: md5sum xubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-i386.iso mkusb
[21:25] <sappheiros> that 'mkusb' seems shouldn't be there
[21:28] <sappheiros> p 15 is unclear ...
[21:31] <sappheiros> quickstart manual doesn't say whether to use persistent live drive and msdos, upefi, or d-n-i ...
[21:33] <sappheiros> checking https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb it seems i should select 'clone' rather than persistent live -- i mistakenly thought 'clone' meant 'copy' ...
[21:34] <sappheiros> oh no
[21:34] <sappheiros> i can't cancel the gui
[21:34] <sappheiros> i clicked the 'x' but it went to the next screen as if i had selected something
[21:34] <sappheiros> (oh good there was a 'stop' after that and the next screen)
[22:02] <sappheiros> using the liveUSB now
[22:02] <sappheiros> looks great
[22:02] <sappheiros> why is USB listed twice in taskbar?
[22:02] <sappheiros> that seems like an error...
[22:03] <sappheiros> Lubuntu 18.10 i386 is listed twice.
[22:07] <sappheiros> now i can't take a screenshot ...
[22:07] <lynorian> sappheiros: alt +f2 for lxqt-runner?
[22:07] <lynorian> and then enter shot should bring up only the screenshot app
[22:15] <sappheiros> thanks, that worked. but the Prnt Scrn button worked the first time, but not the second, to open that same program
[22:26] <sappheiros> please see https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086930/are-these-miscellaneous-problems-oddities-during-liveusb-normal-lubuntu-18-10
[22:30] <wxl> sappheiros: you really should do one question per question
[22:30] <wxl> sappheiros: also you might have better luck getting replies from the mailing list
[22:31] <lynorian> when booted in the live session should the USB even show up there?
[22:31] <wxl> i wouldn't say anyone in the lubuntu team is really closely monitoring questions on askubuntu
[22:32] <lynorian> sappheiros: have you copied and pasted anything yet?]
[22:32] <wxl> there should be one mount
[22:32] <wxl> two is weird
[22:32] <lynorian> qlipper shows that text as a placeholder
[22:32] <wxl> might want to `fdisk -l`
[22:32] <wxl> i show one
[22:33] <lynorian> not sure running / off of an external drive showing it in removeable media is that good an idea
[22:33] <wxl> you should not show the iso in devices in pcmanfm
[22:34] <wxl> it should be mounted to /dev/loop0 if you're running off the live system
[22:35] <wxl> or rather that's the device file
[22:35] <wxl> which is what makes it unique
[22:37] <sappheiros> not sure i understand you, wxl -- i'm reporting what i've seen that's confusing me here on the liveUSB, haven't installed 18.10 yet
[22:37] <sappheiros> sharing this in case it's something to take into consideration for the next release for new users
[22:37] <wxl> you're showing something that i dno't see at all
[22:38] <wxl> i suspect you've done something a bit abnormal
[22:38] <wxl> the qlipper thing is expected, though
[22:38] <sappheiros> so what should i do? someone on #ubuntu says if md5sum was okay and if no errors detected during the check disk for errors that i should be fine ...
[22:38] <wxl> but askubuntu is the WRONG place to go to provide general feedback
[22:38] <wxl> it's a place to get questions answered
[22:38] <sappheiros> i copied the liveUSB using the lubuntu manual, using the GUI instead of the command prompt
[22:39] <sappheiros> lynorian: no
[22:39] <wxl> did you check the disk for defects?
[22:39] <sappheiros> lynorian: but now that i have, yes, it's updated, thanks
[22:39] <sappheiros> wxl: yes, that's what i meant about checking for errors
[22:39] <sappheiros> erm, unless yo umean something different
 *cough* verify checksum *cough* *cough*
[22:39] <sappheiros> i did that already
[22:39] <wxl> that's not necessarily the same as checking the hashesh
[22:39] <sappheiros> the string looked the same to me
[22:40] <wxl> when you boot
[22:40] <wxl> select "check disc for defects"
[22:40] <sappheiros> ... could using Transmission to upload the file to others while at the same time burning it to USB have caused a problem?
[22:40] <sappheiros> wxl: yes, thats' what i did
[22:40] <sappheiros> that menu item
[22:40] <sappheiros> from the USB
[22:40] <wxl> AND you check the md5sum?
[22:41] <sappheiros> yes, i did that before i made the USB
[22:43] <wxl> sappheiros: i don't know what to say about all the extra mounts.
[22:43] <sappheiros> it's just the one extra in the taskbar
[22:43] <sappheiros> unless neither of the two should be showing there
[22:43] <wxl> just ignore it
[22:43] <sappheiros> my mouse isn't moving as far as it was in 18.04 :(
[22:44] <sappheiros> i've turned up the sensitivity
[22:44] <sappheiros> but not much change
[22:44] <sappheiros> (using finger + trackpad)
[22:53] <Luke_usa_ubuntu> hey, running lubuntu on a macbook pro. And would like to install my isight camera. Found this guide, but it's a bit more techniacal then I'm used to.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleiSight
[22:55] <wxl> Luke_usa_ubuntu: i doubt you willl find a better solution
[22:56] <Luke_usa_ubuntu> wxl: haha ok, thanks. didn't know if there was something more easy
[22:57] <wxl> Luke_usa_ubuntu: blame apple and their proprietariness
[22:57] <sappheiros> oh, there's a dell latitude laptop keyboard option!
[22:57] <Luke_usa_ubuntu> wxl: is it easier with other devices? I was using osx, but it got slow with the new update. So I came back to Ubuntu (Lubuntu)
[22:58] <sappheiros> i guess that's what i should pick for my installation, then
[22:58] <wxl> Luke_usa_ubuntu: most other devices don't require proprietary firmware
[22:59] <Luke_usa_ubuntu> wxl, ahhh. gothcha. so if i used a usb webcam, it might be easier to install?
[22:59] <wxl> Luke_usa_ubuntu: you'd probably plug it in and call it done.
[22:59] <wxl> Luke_usa_ubuntu: my webcam on my new hp envy worked right out of the box
[23:00] <Luke_usa_ubuntu> wxl, awesome. I'll try that. I have one at home already. Thanks for the help.
[23:00] <wxl> np
[23:00] <Luke_usa_ubuntu> wxl: I'm guessing my next computer won't be an apple. Lubuntu is working great!
[23:00] <wxl> Luke_usa_ubuntu: glad to hear it :)