[00:13] <Teodoro777> Hi
[00:13] <Teodoro777> I installed kmid and obviously timitidy ++ and the latter works well as a terminal. the problem is kmid that scrolls the text but without audio ... I noticed that playing in the midi outputs (load the screen), I can hear it. But it's not a fixed output! sometimes it works one and sometimes another. How can I solve? http://tinyimg.io/i/tJQzESV.png
[00:20] <eelstrebor> anyone know why network manager doesn't have a connect-retry option?
[00:21] <eelstrebor> for openvpn
[00:55] <Copenhagen_Bram> is it safe to kill systemd-journald? it's hogging my cpu
[01:06] <[itchyjunk]> hey, i formatted a flash drive and now i can't copy anything to it. i get "error while copying to volume. the destination is read only
[01:06] <[itchyjunk]> i tried formatting it from `disks` and `gparted`
[01:07] <balsaq> dod u yank it out befor stopping it
[01:08] <[itchyjunk]> i didn't
[01:08] <[itchyjunk]> it was a bootable with lubuntu on it. i only formated it with `disks`
[01:08] <balsaq> see if it will format in a difff computer like maybe a windows machine
[01:09] <[itchyjunk]> hmm i don't have a windows machine.. i have an older mint machine. would that help?
[01:09] <balsaq> may as well try
[01:09] <balsaq> see if the port is messed up or something
[01:09] <ryuo> [itchyjunk]: probably residual filesystem. iso9660 is common on hybrid images, which is read only.
[01:09] <ryuo> [itchyjunk]: best solution? overwrite the flash drive and try setting it up from scratch.
[01:10] <ryuo> erase any trace of the old image.
[01:10] <[itchyjunk]> hmm i thought `format` in gparted would take care of it
[01:10] <balsaq> but try it on a diff machine
[01:10] <ryuo> Nope. Most formats are shallow.
[01:10] <ryuo> They don't overwrite any more than they have to.
[01:11] <ryuo> Sometimes residual data in unused sectors can create strange issues.
[01:11] <balsaq> i alway delete all partitions 1st then format twice
[01:11] <[itchyjunk]> umm.. weird.. i connected it to my mint machine and tried pasting a file. it worked..
[01:12] <balsaq> now try a diff port on the other machine
[01:12] <ryuo> [itchyjunk]: well, if you want to be sure, i'd suggest using dd to overwrite it and then partition/format it as you need.
[01:13] <ryuo> [itchyjunk]: if you do this, be sure to set the block size to 8M or so for aligned writes.
[01:13] <ryuo> it speeds up writes a great deal on flash media.
[01:20] <sappheiros> looking at https://quassel-irc.org/faq/cert and man openssl, how do i learn about use of the 'req' command, e.g. what the command option '-x509' does?
[01:21] <dax> "man req", oddly enough
[01:21] <dax> -x509 means to generate a self-signed certificate (as opposed to a certificate signing request to send to a CA)
[01:22] <[itchyjunk]> trying to write 0's now.. i don't get why the mint can read write while ubuntu 16.04 can't write to the same device
[01:23] <sappheiros> >_<;; i was thinking i needed to read https://www.feistyduck.com/books/openssl-cookbook/
[01:27] <sappheiros> dax: i thought 'man' was for commands, not commands within commands
[01:28] <sappheiros> dax: that makes me wonder how a self-signed certificate is used to secure a connection ...
[01:28] <dax> sappheiros: openssl has its own manpage section named "1ssl", so generally doing man subcommand for it will work fine
[01:29] <dax> sappheiros: i'm guessing this is for IRC connections?
[01:29] <dax> i.e., client certificate authentication to an IRC network, not for some server / quassel daemon you're connecting to
[01:29] <dax> and running yourself
[01:31] <dax> oh, never mind, just looked at the link. if it's for connections to a quassel core, then you'd want to get the fingerprint of the new certificate and compare it to what the quassel client sees when it connects to the core
[01:31] <sappheiros> dax: i'm trying to learn what the command at https://quassel-irc.org/faq/cert will do before i execute it
[01:31] <dax> i don't have quassel installed so i don't know exactly how it works, but it should pop up something to the effect of "you're connecting to X that has a self-signed cert with fingerprint Y, do you trust it?"
[01:34] <[itchyjunk]> okay, i tried to 0 write it then format it
[01:35] <[itchyjunk]> but it still says unable to write to the usb drive
[01:35] <[itchyjunk]> what else do i try?
[01:36] <lotuspsychje> [itchyjunk]: you sure its not writed-protected or so?
[01:37] <[itchyjunk]> it doesn't seem to have a button. i can write to it from a different computer that has linuxmint on it
[01:37] <[itchyjunk]> (physical button)
[01:38] <lotuspsychje> [itchyjunk]: normally with gparted any device should be able to format, did you try formatting it to its original layout? fat32 for example or ntfs
[01:38] <[itchyjunk]> yes i tried formatting it to fat32 and ntfs with gparted
[01:38] <[itchyjunk]> it just says successful when i do it
[01:39] <[itchyjunk]> i tried deleting it then reformatting to fat32
[01:39] <lotuspsychje> [itchyjunk]: how about rights? are you admin of your system?
[01:40] <[itchyjunk]> yes, i have the password for `sudo`. i am logged in as my username but this is no other user accounts on this laptop
[01:41] <[itchyjunk]> could it be privlage problem? is there a way to check?
[01:41] <lotuspsychje> !chmod | [itchyjunk]
[01:42] <lotuspsychje> [itchyjunk]: another test could be: tail -f /var/log/syslog and plugin your usb, to see usefull errors
[01:43] <[itchyjunk]> ah right i was thinking about chmod but didn't know if i could do it here
[01:43] <[itchyjunk]> i'll try that first
[01:46] <[itchyjunk]> i am having trouble chmod'ing my /dev/sdb1
[01:47] <[itchyjunk]> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qW54P5RWqv/
[01:47] <[itchyjunk]> hmm or sdb.
[01:52] <Copenhagen_Bram> systemd-journald is hogging my cpu, what do I do?
[01:56] <myself> My first time trying to print in color under Ubuntu (color works fine from Windows), all my prints are coming out monochrome. Printer is a Samsung CLP-620ND. It had monochrome set as default and I couldn't change it until I added myself to 'lpadmin' group and logged out, but that seems OK now. Still comes out monochrome despite everything saying color. Even the CUPS test page is mono. Where to go from here?
[01:56] <merpnderp> My brain is completely and utterly fried from doing admin setup and config all day (I normaly just do dev work). What package do I need to install on 18.04 to automagically install security updates?
[01:57] <merpnderp> Is this it? unattended-upgrades/bionic-updates,now 1.1ubuntu1.18.04.6 all [installed]
[01:57] <Bashing-om> [itchyjunk]: Be aware fat32 file systen is not posix (permissions) complient. Access is set at the mount point .
[01:58] <ryuo> merpnderp: yes, that will periodically do that, but it was intended for systems that are always on.
[01:58] <merpnderp> ryuo: groovy, thanks. My system is always on. Thank you thank you.
[01:58] <ryuo> merpnderp: if the system goes offline for any reason, it won't.
[01:58] <merpnderp> ryuo: course if it is offline, I don't need the security update :P
[01:59] <ryuo> merpnderp: i was thinking more like if people put their machines to sleep.
[01:59] <myself> does that mean that it won't catch-up next time it's online, though?
[01:59] <ryuo> myself: the timer that runs it may not reset. I'm not 100%.
[01:59] <merpnderp> ryuo: oh no, this is on my dev server. I haven't worked up the inertia to set up the prod server
[01:59] <ryuo> i just know scheduled tasks don't always work right.
[01:59] <ryuo> in that context.
[01:59] <ryuo> if the system is asleep, it can't do anything afaik.
[01:59] <[itchyjunk]> well i've tried a dozen different things.. maybe my ubuntu is broken or something..
[02:00] <ryuo> [itchyjunk]: same problem?
[02:00] <[itchyjunk]> yes
[02:00] <ryuo> [itchyjunk]: did you try what I suggested?
[02:00] <[itchyjunk]> chmod is giving me `unable to resolve host` error
[02:00] <Copenhagen_Bram> hello
[02:00] <ryuo> Ok...
[02:01] <Copenhagen_Bram> how do I stop systemd-journald from hogging my cpu?
[02:01] <ryuo> Copenhagen_Bram: you could try configuring it to disable logging, though you may lose important information.
[02:02] <Copenhagen_Bram> ryuo: alright how do i do that?
[02:02] <Copenhagen_Bram> if i'm losing important logging i'll turn logging back on and repeat whatever i was doing that needed to be logged
[02:02] <ryuo> Copenhagen_Bram: edit /etc/systemd/journald.conf
[02:02] <Copenhagen_Bram> but right now i wanna contribute to seti with boinc
[02:02] <ryuo> Copenhagen_Bram: Uncomment Storage= and set it to none.
[02:02] <Copenhagen_Bram> ok
[02:02] <ryuo> that will discard logs. I had to disable it for a read only installation to keep it from flooding my dmesg with errors.
[02:03] <Copenhagen_Bram> do i need to reboot or restart a service?
[02:03] <ryuo> Not sure. You can reboot to be on the safe side.
[02:03] <ryuo> Or you may just need to reboot journald.
[02:03] <ryuo> I haven't a clue how it ties together.
[02:04] <Copenhagen_Bram> how do I reboot journald?
[02:04] <ryuo> systemctl restart systemd-journald.service
[02:09] <eelstrebor> network-manager-openvpn is disappointing - i ended up starting the client from the cli - i don't understand why it doesn't start at bootup even though the config file is in /etc/openvpn
[02:09] <[itchyjunk]> i..fixed my sudo issue. :s i had to add a line in my etc/hosts. it had a different name than etc/hostname. idk how that happened
[02:10] <eelstrebor> workarounds get the job down though
[02:11] <sappheiros> how do i load the SSL certificate when it's in a .config folder that doesn't show up in the open dialog window after clicking 'Load'?
[02:12] <sappheiros> in quassel
[02:12] <sappheiros> or more generally, how do i make .folders show up?
[02:12] <anonymau5> ls -la
[02:12] <anonymau5> in command line
[02:12] <Vic2> In Nautulis it is Ctrl-H ... dunno about 'quassel' (whatever that is)
[02:13] <sappheiros> IRC client
[02:13] <sappheiros> for lubuntu 18.10
[02:14] <[itchyjunk]> hmm chmod doesn't fix the issue.. i tried reformatting it to fat32, ext4 and ntfs. none of that worked either
[02:14] <anonymau5> depends on the filemanager the IRC client is using
[02:15] <lotuspsychje> [itchyjunk]: could you hastebin the output of the tail please?
[02:16] <Copenhagen_Bram> ryuo: It worked! Journald is hogging slightly less resources now. Now I can support SETI :)
[02:16] <ryuo> ... lol
[02:17] <[itchyjunk]> lotuspsychje, i am not sure if i ran the command correctly but this is what i got
[02:17] <[itchyjunk]> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QGM64dfm69/
[02:18] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[02:20] <lotuspsychje> [itchyjunk]: did you unplug, and plugin your device while the tail is running?
[02:20] <[itchyjunk]> oh, i didn't. i `mounted` it from `disks` though. let me try that
[02:22] <[itchyjunk]> lotuspsychje, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Z7CgshyCkG/
[02:22] <anonymau5> guys f2fs module isn't included in xenial?
[02:22] <ryuo> anonymau5: what kernel version are you using?
[02:22] <anonymau5> 4.4.0-137
[02:23] <anonymau5> ls /lib/modules/4.4.0-137-generic/kernel/fs
[02:23] <anonymau5> 9p  aufs  autofs4  binfmt_misc.ko  btrfs  cachefiles  ceph  cifs  configfs  dlm  exofs  fat  fscache  isofs  lockd  nfs  nfs_common  nfsd  overlayfs  udf  ufs  xfs
[02:23] <[itchyjunk]> hmm, my last format with gparted did something weird. now i can't move anything to the usb at all. and when i check `permissions` it says `root` and i am not the owner. i tried to chmod 666 /dev/sdb and it doesn't give any error
[02:23] <lotuspsychje> [itchyjunk]: could you try create another user, and see if you can bypass those errors in nautilus
[02:24] <sappheiros> Please see https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086972/how-to-use-ssl-with-quassel-lubuntu-18-10-i386
[02:24] <ryuo> anonymau5: it may not be available in that kernel, but you can install a HWE kernel (4.15, bionic's kernel) if you really need it.
[02:24] <anonymau5> ok thanks!
[02:26] <[itchyjunk]> hm let me restart. it's doing funky stuff
[02:33] <SilenceDogood> I am trying to set up a dedicated Quake (Darkplaces) server on Ubuntu
[02:34] <SilenceDogood> Can anyone help? I did sudo apt-get install darkplaces-server but it doesn't seem to set itself up, it seems to expect you to read minds about how to use it
[02:34] <[itchyjunk]> hmm, after fixing my sudo issue. `chown` and a restart fixed it i think. i am not sure why chown worked and chmod didnt :s but looks like its fixed for now. thanks o/
[02:36] <anonymau5> SilenceDogood: sudo service —status-all ?
[02:37] <SilenceDogood> anonymauS that is not an ubuntu command apparently
[02:38] <SilenceDogood> did you mean "sudo systemctl status"
[02:39] <SilenceDogood> that isn't listing any darkplaces-server service
[02:42] <anonymau5> I guess you'll have to look for documentation
[02:44] <Bashing-om> SilenceDogood: ' sudo systemctl list-unit-files ' To see the list of available services.
[02:45] <SilenceDogood> Bashing-om thanks
[02:45] <SilenceDogood> The thing about linux is that whatever you think the command is going to be, it never is that
[02:46] <cstk421> so i currently have a webserver on port 80. I screwed up and my router is on port 80 so when i put in the nat translation to forward 80 to my webserver i can no longer access the router web interface.  Is there a way to redirect traffic back to the router ? or is that just going to cause a loop ?
[02:47] <SilenceDogood> Looks like I'm going to have to write a .service file for darkplaces-server
[02:47] <anonymau5> cstk421: well you can either direct the traffic to your pc or the router, or you can use the LAN ip of your router to access it (probably 192.168.0.1)
[02:48] <cstk421> i am trying to get to it via lan
[02:48] <cstk421> not working
[02:48] <cstk421> its redirecting all traffic to my web server
[02:50] <anonymau5> can you ssh/telnet into your router?
[02:52] <cstk421> no ssh isnt enabled
[02:52] <cstk421> i just got back in finally. used winbox and the mac address of the mikrotik. whew
[02:52] <cstk421> thanks
[02:57] <SilenceDogood> Does this look reasonable? https://gist.github.com/BenMcLean/b424fc9ed77b660b823b8e0ada898c46
[03:12] <ponyhorse> Hey, can help me debug why hibernate doesn't work for me?
[03:13] <ponyhorse> swapon shows: /dev/nvme0n1p6 partition 59.6G   0B   -2
[03:13] <ponyhorse>  But "sudo s2disk" shows: s2disk: Could not use the resume device (try swapon -a). Reason: No such device
[03:13] <ponyhorse> (I posted on #linux as well, but so far no one has acknowleged)
[03:15] <anonymau5> no arguments?
[03:15] <ponyhorse> What do you mean?
[03:17] <anonymau5> "sudo s2disk" Dont know what its supposed to do
[03:20] <cyborgjedi> hi guys
[03:21] <tomreyn> hi
[03:21] <ponyhorse> Sorry, computer melted down. s2disk is one of the two ways to hibernate, as I understand it.
[03:21] <tomreyn> ponyhorse: which ubuntu version is this?
[03:21] <ponyhorse> 18.04
[03:22] <cyborgjedi> i need help installing libcurl
[03:22] <tomreyn> then you shooud be using "systemctl suspend" instead
[03:22] <ponyhorse> let me try...
[03:22] <tomreyn> cyborgjedi: why do you want / need to? which ubuntu version?
[03:22] <cyborgjedi> new version
[03:23] <tomreyn> this will tell: lsb_release -ds
[03:23] <cyborgjedi> ok lets see
[03:23] <ponyhorse> That put into ram not disc.
[03:23] <ponyhorse> *put it
[03:24] <tomreyn> oops
[03:24] <ponyhorse> I'm looking for a hibernate option that would go to my swap.
[03:24] <tomreyn> sudo systemctl hibernate
[03:24] <ponyhorse> pm-hibernate doesn't work either. It doesn't resume after boot.
[03:24] <ponyhorse> I can try, but I'm not hopeful...
[03:25] <tomreyn> in case you run gnome http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2018/05/add-hibernate-option-ubuntu-18-04/
[03:25] <tomreyn> cyborgjedi: i'm here, not in private chat.
[03:26] <cyborgjedi> 18.04
[03:26] <cyborgjedi> thats my version
[03:26] <tomreyn> cyborgjedi: ok. the other question was this: why do you want / need to?
[03:26] <ponyhorse> It didn't resume session.
[03:26] <cyborgjedi> i need it for bew to install mpdccnmp
[03:27] <cyborgjedi> the media player that has cava
[03:27] <tomreyn> ponyhorse: is your system fully patched?
[03:27] <cyborgjedi> idk
[03:27] <ponyhorse> I don't know what that means. I update and upgrade regularly...
[03:28] <cyborgjedi> but i always update and upgrade
[03:28] <cyborgjedi> all days
[03:28] <tomreyn> ponyhorse: does "sudo apt update" report that there are pending updates?
[03:28] <ponyhorse> No.
[03:28] <cyborgjedi> let me see
[03:29] <ponyhorse> cyborgjedi: Are you referring to me?
[03:30] <tomreyn> ponyhorse: there used to be a bug with suspend to ram - where people also discuss issues with hibernation https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1774950
[03:30] <ponyhorse> Suspend works fine...
[03:30] <ponyhorse> I think I'm missing something obvious.
[03:31] <ponyhorse> I *think* I connected the swap partition via swapon.
[03:31] <ponyhorse> And I *think* I set up "resume" correctly in grub.
[03:31] <ponyhorse> But who knows... And who knows if I'm missing some step...
[03:31] <ponyhorse> I'm not great at tinkering with the guts of the system...
[03:32] <ponyhorse> What would be a good to debug? Maybe rule out some obvious issues?
[03:32] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1034185/ubuntu-18-04-cant-resume-after-hibernate
[03:33] <tomreyn> this dicusses a lot of details you can check for
[03:33] <tomreyn> cyborgjedi: have you tried: sudo apt update && sudo apt install libcurl
[03:34] <ponyhorse> Thanks! Off to put the kid to sleep. If you have any more helpful advice I'll look later.
[03:34] <tomreyn> well you can always check syslog if you havent
[03:35] <tomreyn> cyborgjedi: searching for "mpdccnmp" on the web returns 0 hits for me.
[03:38] <tomreyn> cyborgjedi: maybe you were referring to this, but i dont see any mention of curl there: https://github.com/karlstav/cava#ubuntu
[03:40] <Muimi1> are clones made by clonezilla easy to extract via livecd?
[03:40] <Muimi1> i'm trying to avoid yanking a hdd out of a laptop that's sodlered shut
[03:42] <tomreyn> Muimi1: i don't know the exact format, but you'd best tak to them / read their docs. IIRC in one mode of operation they don't do full 1:1 images but whenever they run into known file systems they store just the file system objects, saving sapce.
[03:44] <tomreyn> Muimi1: there is clonezilla-live though if that's what you were referring to by 'livecd'.
[03:44] <tomreyn> (and that can both backup / image and restore)
[03:45] <tomreyn> or maybe you could try this https://serverfault.com/questions/35639/extracting-files-from-clonezilla-images
[03:49] <tomreyn> also this https://drbl.org/faq/fine-print.php?path=./2_System/43_read_ntfsimg_content.faq#43_read_ntfsimg_content.faq
[03:52] <Muimi1> tomreyn: I'm trying to move a Windows installation to a new hdd without losing its full functionality.
[03:53] <tomreyn> Muimi1: which part of ths is related to ubuntu?
[03:53] <tomreyn> *thIs
[03:53] <Muimi1> Muimi1: i'm using ubuntu to do it
[03:54] <tomreyn> i was thinking you're using clonezilla to do it?
[03:54] <Muimi1> i just thought someone could toss me a command because the terminology isn't consistent
[03:54] <Muimi1> yeah, clonezilla is a program; I'm using ubuntu command-line to go through it.
[03:54] <Muimi1> I see what you mean, though.
[03:55] <tomreyn> better use their live cd, you'll know you're creating the backup using a compatible version as when you're restoring
[03:55] <Muimi1> i'm going to read their docs for a while.
[03:55] <Muimi1> okay, i'll put usb up
[03:56] <tomreyn> you could also use just dd or similar form ubuntu, but this won't solve the deficiencies that windows has when it comes to being able to start from a different drive.
[03:57] <tomreyn> (or on purpose restricutions if you prefer it this way)
[03:57] <Muimi1> tomreyn: will clonezilla solve them?
[03:57] <Muimi1> well, I own the license to that version of windows
[03:57] <tomreyn> i assume so, but i'm sure reading their FAQ will help
[03:58] <Muimi1> https://drbl.org/faq/fine-print.php?path=./2_System/23_Missing_OS.faq#23_Missing_OS.faq
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> !backup | Muimi1 see also
[04:22] <adikwok> hello
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> hello adikwok how can we help you?
[04:25] <adikwok> hello lotuspsychje.. thx for response.
[04:25] <adikwok> first.. how to reply to your chat without having to type lotuspsychje?
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> !tab | adikwok
[04:26] <adikwok> thx ubottu
[04:26] <adikwok> helped a lot with tab completion lotuspsychje ubottu
[04:27] <adikwok> im really newbie in ubuntu. i always wanna have a linux os. yet just tried it and get confused
[04:29] <adikwok> the situation im facing is.. i have acer 4315 intel celeron laptop. used to ok with win 7 readyboost.
[04:30] <adikwok> now the youtube firefox cant play fullscreen in ubuntu 18.04.1
[04:31] <adikwok> i tried glxgears. every second just like stop a while.
[04:31] <adikwok> so what to do to improve fps sir/sirs? ubottu lotuspsychje
[04:36] <adikwok> i installed ubuntu 18.04.1 with erase disk option. now only have ubuntu in my old laptop
[04:37] <adikwok> many things need to be done.. :[
[04:37] <adikwok> 1. speed up boot time
[04:37] <adikwok> 2. responsiveness when open multi windows
[04:37] <adikwok> 3. gedit and libreoffice slow to load
[04:39] <adikwok> 4. my / is almost full. i have 80gb hdd. yet it only used 14gb for / .. and i tried to mount --bind --verbose /dev/sda8 to /dev/sda9 which is my / .. mounted successfully yet all apps can not working no more
[04:40] <adikwok> i had looked for in askubuntu.. until get confused then i found irc channel for ubuntu
[04:42] <adikwok> so. what to do sirs? lotuspsychje ubottu
[04:46] <Kon-> adikwok: Firefox and GNOME shell might be very heavy for your PC
[04:46] <Kon-> Laptops named "Acer 4315" appear to date from 2004 to 2008.
[04:47] <adikwok> Kon-: yes it is. yet i love gnome looks. it is cool i guess. since its my first ubuntu
[04:47] <Kon-> You might experience better performance with Lubuntu 18.04
[04:48] <adikwok> Kon-: if i changed to Lubuntu 18.04. do i have to resetting all over again?
[04:48] <adikwok> re-install from usb live? Kon-
[04:49] <Kon-> I think in your case it would be best to reinstall, yes. Lubuntu packages things to maximize performance
[04:51] <adikwok> ooo ... one month setting gnome gonna be wasted :[ Kon-
[04:51] <Kon-> Then don't do it
[04:51] <Kon-> I thought you had just installed Ubuntu
[04:52] <CheetahPixie> Okay, so.
[04:52] <CheetahPixie> I'm having a minor issue or two.
[04:52] <CheetahPixie> I have here a bios_grub partition set up.
[04:52] <CheetahPixie> I also have a root partition in an LVM.
[04:52] <CheetahPixie> Problem being, my "done" is disabled.
[04:52] <CheetahPixie> Ubuntu Server, by the way.
[04:53] <CheetahPixie> Still trying to figure out why it doesn't want me to install...
[04:54] <CheetahPixie> Also, trying to edit a VG containing a LVM partition that isn't the whole disk crashes the installer.
[04:55] <CheetahPixie> Doesn't work with mdadm either... what?
[04:56] <adikwok> thx for advise Kon-
[04:56] <boblamont> are there any known problems running wordpress on 18.04? or is 16.04 better?
[04:58] <adikwok> boblamont: i dont have any problem running wordpress on ubuntu 18.04.1
[04:59] <boblamont> adikwok: ok, good, thanks
[04:59] <CheetahPixie> ...and now an error occurred
[04:59] <adikwok> boblamont: anytime
[05:00] <Kon-> I think boblamont means running a Wordpress server, not viewing Wordpress sites in the browser
[05:01] <boblamont> Kon-: yes, running a wordpress server
[05:01] <adikwok> oo .. wordpress server, . should be good also i guess. im having 18.10 server too. boblamont Kon-
[05:02] <adikwok> honestly im in love with ubuntu.. since i knew it on server *shy boblamont Kon-
[05:03] <CheetahPixie> it's good stuff
[05:03] <CheetahPixie> but I'm still having problems
[05:03] <CheetahPixie> how do I relaunch the installer from the shell?
[05:05] <adikwok> Kon-: would you please help on how to mount /dev/sda8 to /dev/sda9 for adding space to / ?
[05:05] <adikwok> my / root is low disk space . only has 300 mb left Kon-
[06:10] <mainnet> can an un-priveleged user set FDE on ubuntu 16.04?
[06:33] <zetheroo> I have a 16.04 system which has an active VPN connection. The system serves an in-house monitoring service which is viewable in the browser (Zabbix). When I am on the local network (in-house) I have no problems reaching the frontend service in the browser, as well as sshing into the system itself. However, when I use our VPN connection to access the local network I cannot reach this system or the frontend service in the browser, which al
[06:33] <zetheroo> l other systems remain reachable. Any clues as to how I can resolve this?
[06:34] <Miar> Hi, could someone help me with this - https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2403635 ?
[06:36] <zetheroo> Miar: try opening a terminal and executing 'modprobe -r psmouse' and then 'modprobe psmouse'
[06:36] <Miar> I did. Doesn't work.
[06:36] <zetheroo> ok
[06:40] <zetheroo> Miar: what kind of touchpad is it?
[06:40] <mainnet> Hey! can an un-priveleged user set FDE on ubuntu 16.04?
[06:43] <Miar> Umm.. I dont know. How do I check?
[06:43] <zetheroo> Does lsusb show you?
[06:44] <zetheroo> or 'xinput list'
[06:44] <zetheroo> for example, mine is '↳ SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad'
[06:48] <Miar> SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
[06:49] <CheetahPixie> I figured things out.
[06:49] <CheetahPixie> Well, for now.
[06:49] <CheetahPixie> There were errors in the install media, go figure.
[06:51] <zetheroo> Miar: what's the id number?
[06:52] <Miar> 13
[06:52] <Miar> ↳ SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad              	id=13	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[06:53] <zetheroo> Miar, is the touchpad working right now?
[06:53] <Miar> Yup
[06:53] <zetheroo> so how can you test it? :)
[06:53] <Miar> haha true. Let me suspend for a few seconds and come back.
[06:53] <zetheroo> k
[06:55] <Kalifornia909> how can i get a program to start on startup in ubuntu
[06:56] <ducasse> Kalifornia909: create a systemd service for it
[06:56] <ducasse> !systemd | Kalifornia909
[06:56] <Kalifornia909> youre awesome thanks
[06:57] <zetheroo> Kalifornia909: If you want a program to start with the login/user session then you can use the Startup Applications tool.
[06:58] <ducasse> Kalifornia909: there's a lot of documentation on the freedesktop site
[06:58] <ducasse> Kalifornia909: zetheroo is also right, if you want to start a graphical program you need to use startup applications
[06:59] <zetheroo> ducasse Kalifornia909 I also use Startup Applications for executing commands/scripts at login :)
[07:00] <ducasse> yes, login as opposed to boot :)
[07:00] <zetheroo> correct
[07:02] <mainnet> Hey! can an un-priveleged user set FDE on ubuntu 16.04?
[07:03] <zetheroo> mainnet: pretty sure a regular user with sudo perms can
[07:04] <zetheroo> mainnet: if the user is not a sudoer then not
[07:04] <mainnet> zetheroo, cool.
[07:04] <ducasse> mainnet: maybe if you add the user to 'disk' group
[07:05] <mainnet> ducasse, wait! there is a group named 'disk' ?
[07:05] <Miar> zetheroo : I reconnected with my touchpad not working anymore.
[07:05] <ducasse> Miar: yep
[07:05] <ducasse> mainnet: ^^
[07:05] <Miar> xinput list does not show my touchpad anymore
[07:06] <zetheroo> ok
[07:08] <zetheroo> Miar: sudo modprobe -r i2c_hid && sudo modprobe i2c_hid
[07:08] <Miar> Doesn't work. xinput list doesn't show touchpad either.
[07:09] <zetheroo> 'sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf' and add 'blacklist i2c_hid' and reboot - suspend and test
[07:12] <Miar> Okay! Thanks. Be back in a bit. fingers crossed.
[07:18] <Sinewpy> .last mooses
[07:18] <mooses> hihihih
[07:18] <mooses> mooses was last seen now
[07:35] <zetheroo> what creates this file in 16.04? /etc/network/routes
[07:38] <Miar> Hey zetheroo , it didn't work :( my touchpad is still dead
[07:38] <zetheroo> do you see the touchpad in the output of 'cat /proc/bus/input/devices' ?
[07:40] <Miar> No :(
[07:40] <zetheroo> Ok, so then it's kernel related
[07:41] <Miar> So, is there anything I could do?
[07:41] <zetheroo> Do you have "blacklist i2c_i801" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf?
[07:42] <Miar> Sorry I disconnected for a moment and I did not get your last message if you replied after me.
[07:42] <zetheroo> Do you have "blacklist i2c_i801" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf?
[07:43] <Miar> Yes
[07:44] <zetheroo> ok, comment it out (and remove the previously added line) - save conf - reboot - suspend - test
[07:45] <Miar> Thanks. Be back after testing.
[07:45] <zetheroo> Ok
[07:53] <UserInterface> HI everyone. Could i please get some help installing ubuntu 18 on a NUC?
[07:59] <Miar> Hey zetheroo, my laptop didn't even wake up from suspend for some reason :( This hasn't happened before. Could it be because of commenting out that blacklist?
[08:01] <UserInterface> Not sure if anyone is watching but I am trying to install ubuntu on a NUC. I get a error on boot that says ~oting in blind mode but its cut off so not exactly sure what it says. I managed to try a bunch of times and eventually booted into live USB and install, but when i try and boot now it says 'no suitable video found'. I managed to get into a safe mode prompt by pushing c, but have no idea what to do now. Can any one help?
[08:01] <zetheroo> Miar: should not be. are you doing a full shutdown when rebooting?
[08:02] <zetheroo> Miar: check dmesg for things going wrong
[08:03] <Miar> Yes I am doing a full shutdown.
[08:03] <Miar> dmesg error logs are incomprehinsible to me :( But anyway, Ill try testing again with the blacklist commented.
[08:03] <Miar> brb
[08:11] <UserInterface> Can anyone help? i think i just need to change the default resolution but not sure how at grub console
[08:14] <TJ-> UserInterface: it sounds like you've fallen afoul of the default GRUB configuration to have it start in graphics mode.
[08:15] <UserInterface> i think so,but i get same issue when connected to tv or monitor. Everything i find online says can't find command so i think i'm barking up wrong tree in my google searchs
[08:15] <TJ-> UserInterface: if you can use the LiveISO again, started in "Try Ubuntu" mode, you can use the terminal to chroot mount the installed OS and edit its /etc/default/grub, remove the comment from "#GRUB_TERMINAL=console", save, and "update-grub" - that should help by having GRUB run in regular text modes
[08:17] <UserInterface> tj - thanks. let me see if i can find something online about mounting the os hdd
[08:17] <TJ-> UserInterface: I can tell you that too
[08:19] <TJ-> UserInterface: once you've got a terminal open, use "lsblk" to discover the partitions and file systems, then do something like this: "sudo -i" (you're now root) "mkdir /target; mount /dev/sdaX /target" (sdaX is the partition of the installed root file-system). Then "for n in proc sys run dev dev/pts etc/resolv.conf; do mount --bind /$n /target/$n" - you've now mounted all the kernel file-systems required
[08:19] <TJ-> UserInterface: at this point "chroot /target" and you're operating inside the installed OS
[08:20] <bluesceada> can anyone let me know how to get back an eth0 device from the now enp0s* network devices?
[08:20] <bluesceada> normally there were these persistent net rules but I don't have them
[08:20] <UserInterface> thanks!!.. i'm just trying to boot again.. i get that error a bunch of times but eventually it will go back to live usb version and i will try all that
[08:20] <TJ-> UserInterface: so you can then do something  like "vim /etc/default/grub" - edit the file, save, then "update-grub" - once done "exit" to return to the liveISO environment, then "for n in etc/resolv.conf dev/pts dev run sys proc /; do umount /target/$n; done"
[08:20] <bluesceada> and I need an eth0 because some strange commercial software needs it for its licensing
[08:21] <bluesceada> i added a tuntap device for eth0 as well, which worked, but upon the next wifi reconnection i didn't have a connection anymore
[08:22] <TJ-> bluesceada: "net.ifnames=0" on kernel cmdline; see https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[08:22] <bluesceada> this is a notebook so I don't want to go through doing these things manually (anymore), I want to try using network-manager etc.
[08:22] <bluesceada> TJ-, ok there isn't another option that I can do in my live system now?
[08:22] <TJ-> bluesceada: not once it has started, that I know of
[08:22] <bluesceada> didn't know this comes from the kernel now
[08:23] <TJ-> bluesceada: it isn't from the kernel; but the cmdline option is required for udev to see it very early
[08:23] <TJ-> bluesceada: see the section in that link "I don't like this, how do I disable this?"
[08:24] <bluesceada> ok thanks
[08:25] <bluesceada> i hope all these changes are worth it ... (I also didn't use systemd up to now... switched from debian to ubuntu on the notebook)
[08:25] <bluesceada> and trying gnome3 as a longterm kde user
[08:27] <bluesceada> having a fake tuntap eth0 would also be fine btw. (or even better), it just shouldn't interfere with the other network things
[08:27] <Miar> Hey zetheroo, it still doesn't work.
[08:28] <zetheroo> Miar: well that sucks :P
[08:28] <Miar> haha
[08:28] <Miar> :(
[08:30] <zetheroo> uncomment "blacklist i2c_i801" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf - save and close. Then add kernel parameter "psmouse.synaptics_intertouch=0" to /etc/default/grub, regenerate grub - reboot - suspend - test
[08:33] <UserInterface> TJ is sdaX the largest partition?
[08:33] <Miar>  /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 35: /etc/default/grub: psmouse.synaptics_intertouch=0: not found
[08:33] <Miar> When trying to update-grub ^
[08:37] <zetheroo> Miar: very peculiar. Are you adding it in the grub file as 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="psmouse.synaptics_intertouch=0" ' or how?
[08:37] <Miar> Oh I just added it on its own. Ill add it like you showed.
[08:38] <Miar> okay that worked.
[08:38] <Miar> brb after testing
[08:38] <zetheroo> sorry, I wasn't clear - OK
[08:41] <UserInterface> TJ: after the for n.. part it took me to a prompt that was just > and i typed chroot /target and ended up back at that prompt. Was something supposed to happen?
[08:47] <TJ-> UserInterface: you got unmatched quotation marks
[08:47] <UserInterface> i tried 'vib /etc/default/grub' but just stays at that prompt.. also tried 'nano /etc/default/grub'
[08:48] <UserInterface> oh, whoops. i didn't use the quote marks.. i thought that was just to be clear here.. i'll try again
[08:48] <TJ-> UserInterface: probably you copied my examples and include the double-quotation mark? I surround code that should be run as-written in "..." to separate it from my commentary. I could also have made a typo and not closed the quotes :)
[08:49] <TJ-> My boo-boo!
[08:49] <UserInterface> i'll try again with the quotes around both sections :)
[08:49] <TJ-> I missed out the closing part. It should read "for n in proc sys run dev dev/pts etc/resolv.conf; do mount --bind /$n /target/$n; done"
[08:49] <TJ-> I forgot the "done" to close off the for loop :)
[08:52] <Miar> zetheroo, nope didn't work.
[08:52] <UserInterface> "mkdir /target; mount /dev/sda2 /target" says no such file or directory
[08:52] <UserInterface> I did the dirve that was the largest. 465GB of a 500GB drive. assumed that was the one
[08:54] <zetheroo> Miar: sorry to hear. I am pretty much out of ideas then. :/
[08:54] <TJ-> UserInterface: that is weird; check the new directory exists with "ls -ld /target"
[08:55] <Miar> Is there any place I could report this? I have tried askubuntu, ubuntuforums, reddit. If it is a kernel issue, I could try reporting it to the linux patchers if there is a community forum for that? (there should be)
[08:56] <TJ-> Miar: what PC is it? "dmesg | grep 'DMI:'  "
[08:56] <geirha> UserInterface: sounds like you're inside the chroot, but haven't bindmounted /dev/ and /proc etc
[08:57] <UserInterface> that throws back 'drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4096 Oct 25 07:12 /target' and the /target is in blue for some reason
[08:57] <TJ-> UserInterface: that is what we expect; blue is for directories
[08:58] <TJ-> UserInterface: So, if the root file-system is /dev/sda2, "mount /dev/sda2 /target" should work
[08:59] <TJ-> geirha: ahhh, good point
[08:59] <TJ-> UserInterface: have you previously done "chroot /target" ?
[09:00] <UserInterface> Yes, that returns already mounted.. am i supposed to be putting those commands in splitting them on the ;?
[09:00] <UserInterface> i put it in as one string
[09:00] <UserInterface> when i put 'mount /dev/sda2 /target' by itself it said already mounted
[09:01] <zetheroo> Miar: you can report a bug on Launchpad
[09:01] <UserInterface> is it supposed to be first 'for n in proc sys run dev dev/pts etc/resolv.conf' then 'do mount --bind /$n /target/$n' then 'done'?
[09:02] <zetheroo> Miar: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu
[09:03] <UserInterface> man i feel like im 16 again
[09:05] <TJ-> UserInterface: let's get back to the start since I think we are somewhat lost
[09:05] <TJ-> UserInterface: firstly, type "exit" as many times as it takes to close the terminal window, then open the terminal window again afresh
[09:06] <TJ-> UserInterface: then install a helper package "sudo apt install pastebinit" - once installed you can share some details with us using "pastebinit <( mount | grep target )"
[09:07] <g105b> I'm using 18.04 - how can I change the keyboard command ALT+` to ALT+ESC instead?
[09:10] <UserInterface> ok. can i just open new terminal? http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/npc3cmZWHy
[09:11] <UserInterface> whoops forgot i typed that already.. "Homer you've already dialled!" lol
[09:14] <g105b> Actually, how do I change ALT+Tab keyboard shortcut in 18.04 ?
[09:16] <lotus|NUC> g105b: did you check system settings/devices/keyboard?
[09:16] <g105b> lotus|NUC: yeah, a lot of shortcuts are configurable there, but not ALT+TAB or ALT+`
[09:16] <UserInterface> should it be for $n in ? or just for n in
[09:16] <lotus|NUC> g105b: see also gnome-tweak-tools extra options for keyboard
[09:17] <g105b> lotus|NUC: I have gnome tweak tools but I can't see any reference to keyboard shortcuts - am I missing something?
[09:17] <lotus|NUC> g105b: few settings you can change there about alt/windows button
[09:17] <Miar> Thanks zetheroo
[09:17] <zetheroo> Miar: good luck ;)
[09:18] <Miar> TJ- [    0.000000] DMI: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. GS65 Stealth Thin 8RF/MS-16Q2, BIOS E16Q2IMS.10E 08/27/2018
[09:24] <UserInterface> this is response '/dev/sda2 on /target type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)'
[09:25] <TJ-> UserInterface: that looks good; nothing else mounted over /target/
[09:25] <TJ-> UserInterface: so you should be able to list the file-system there and see the typical directories using "ls -l /target/"
[09:26] <TJ-> UserInterface: so now let's get it ready for a chroot. I'll go slower this time and give each command in a separate line
[09:26] <TJ-> UserInterface: "for n in proc sys run dev dev/pts etc/resolv.conf; do sudo mount --bind /$n /target/$n; done "
[09:27] <TJ-> UserInterface: that command should return to the shell prompt with no output (unless there was an error)
[09:29] <UserInterface> with quotes?
[09:30] <TJ-> outer quotes are not part of the command
[09:32] <UserInterface> that worked.. i think i had resolve.conf before..
[09:32] <UserInterface> or at least no error
[09:33] <UserInterface> nope.. i had resolv.conf.. but had --blind guess that was stuck in my head because my error was starting in blind mode.. i'm retarded
[09:34] <UserInterface> so now do 'chroot /target'?
[09:34] <ppf> still haven't figured this out. how do i get the dark-grey theme from bionic back on cosmic?
[09:34] <wr> lxde is now lxqt?
[09:35] <wr> installed ubuntu on mini.iso with ldesktop seems have lxqt
[09:35] <tarzeau> yes
[09:36] <TJ-> UserInterface: yes "sudo chroot /target"
[09:38] <UserInterface> can i uses something other then vim? vim installed still says command not found, could be obsolete
[09:39] <ppf> on cosmic, terminal window has a whiteish menu bar and more horribly a whitish scroll bar that's misaligned with the menu bar
[09:39] <UserInterface> sorry.. didnt install said not avalibe
[09:39] <ppf> how do you change themes generally?
[09:39] <tarzeau> ppf: gnome-terminal ?
[09:39] <ppf> tarzeau: yes
[09:40] <UserInterface> TJ. im in... used nano
[09:41] <TJ-> UserInterface: ok, so you're removed the leading # from the line in /etc/default/grub GRUB_TERMINAL ?
[09:42] <UserInterface> just done that now. and saved
[09:42] <UserInterface> then checked it saved.
[09:43] <UserInterface> do i just reboot?
[09:44] <TJ-> UserInterface: no, do "update-grub"
[09:45] <TJ-> UserInterface: and also lets make sure there isn't a separate /boot/ file-system, else we need to redo some operations. "grep boot /etc/fstab"
[09:46] <UserInterface> update-grub completed. do you want to know result?
[09:48] <UserInterface> '/boot/efi was on /dev/sda1 during installation'
[09:49] <UserInterface> 'UUID=BBE7-A292 /boot/efi         vfat     umask=0077'
[09:51] <UserInterface> i'm having flash backs to when i tried this years ago and couldn't mount my nas.. it all came crashing back when i saw fstab.. lol
[09:53] <ppf> changing gnome-terminals 'theme variant' in the settings has no effect
[09:54] <UserInterface> 'UUID=BBE7-A292 /boot/efi         vfat     umask=0077     0    1' there was a 0 and a 1 that i didn't see before.. sorry i am on laptop in another room for the chat and the tv is small from here
[09:57] <TJ-> UserInterface: OK, /boot/efi/ isn't needed to be mounted for what we did. I was concerned that you might have a different file-system for /boot/ where GRUB stores its files.
[09:57] <TJ-> UserInterface: so in theory now you can "exit" and do a reboot (which will automatically cleanly unmount those file systems)
[10:03] <lotus|NUC> ppf: screenshot?
[10:04] <UserInterface> rebooted and it did a clean and now see the desktop! thanks you so much.. i never would have worked that out, i was googling along the commands and still couldn't find that info
[10:04] <TJ-> UserInterface: took us a while :p
[10:05] <UserInterface> so what did we actually do? I mean i see the result, but what did uncommenting that line change?
[10:06] <UserInterface> only because i stuffed up and put --blind because i had that error stuck in my head
[10:09] <TJ-> UserInterface: without it GRUB tries to switch the video device into a graphics mode to look 'pretty' - we've told it to stay in text mode
[10:09] <TJ-> UserInterface: and when grub tries to do the switch it confuses/upsets both GRUB and the OS when it starts
[10:09] <ppf> lotus|NUC: https://imgur.com/a/nZcE1Wp
[10:09] <TJ-> UserInterface: now, we leave it to the OS to switch from text to graphics mode
[10:10] <UserInterface> grub being the boot loader, so the text that goes past as it boots?
[10:10] <TJ-> UserInterface: correct: GRand Unified Bootloader
[10:11] <UserInterface> interesting.. i dual booted my laptop last weekend to try it out first, and that stays in text mode so never had this issue.
[10:11] <TJ-> UserInterface: PC BIOS/firmware loads GRUB, grub loads Linux kernel and initial ramdisk (initrd.img) which then handles hardware init, finds the root file-system, mounts it, and runs the userspace init (systemd) to bring up services
[10:11] <UserInterface> one last question. the command you gave me "for n in~" is that bash language?
[10:12] <TJ-> UserInterface: yes, it's shell script, a for..next loop that operates in each argument in turn
[10:12] <ppf> lotus|NUC: optimally, i'd like to get the overlay scrollbars back, even
[10:12] <TJ-> UserInterface: if you insert "echo" command like this you can observe what commands it creates without executing them:  "for n in proc sys run dev dev/pts etc/resolv.conf; do echo sudo mount --bind /$n /target/$n; done "
[10:13] <lotus|NUC> ppf: have you tryed other themes, like ambiance for example
[10:13] <lotus|NUC> !info gnome-terminal cosmic
[10:14] <ppf> lotus|NUC: how do i switch themes
[10:14] <UserInterface> cool.. i want to work out what we did. I can use powershell, so i get basic commands, and some just make sense like grep command.. i''ll google it all together and work out how stupid i really was :P
[10:14] <lotus|NUC> ppf: i use gnome-tweak-tool
[10:14] <ppf> lotus|NUC: i can't. no gnome shell
[10:15] <lotus|NUC> ppf: what is that you are on?
[10:15] <ppf> awesome-wm
[10:15] <lotus|NUC> ppf: perhaps its a change in awesome-wm version for cosmic then?
[10:16] <UserInterface> can't say thanks enough.. that was some end user stupidity from my with the --bind
[10:16] <lotus|NUC> !cookie | TJ-
[10:16] <UserInterface> but i'm Gary.. wheres my cookie?
[10:16] <UserInterface> lol
[10:17] <lotus|NUC> sorry UserInterface no cookies for users :p
[10:18] <lotus|NUC> there's free coffee in #ubuntu-discuss UserInterface
[10:18] <UserInterface> yeah.. i can't say i'm the captain after this one..
[10:18] <lotus|NUC> ppf: perhaps ask in the awesome channel if versions have changed?
[10:19] <ppf> !info awesome bionic
[10:19] <ppf> i'm on 4.2-5 now
[10:21] <lotus|NUC> ppf: let me bootup a cosmic session to check holdon
[10:24] <Nelluk> so i have a simple python script that just prints a utf8 unicode character. when i run it fro my user account, it works fine. if i run it via a systemd service, where the print is not going to a terminal, i get a Unicode Error
[10:24] <Nelluk> anything i should look for?
[10:26] <lotus|NUC> ppf: terminal looks pretty default here, the scrollbar is also pretty thin
[10:27] <ppf> lotus|NUC: screenshot?
[10:27] <lotus|NUC> yeah holdon
[10:28] <lotus|NUC> ppf: https://imgur.com/a/sSGw3ox
[10:29] <ppf> hm, that looks correct, yeah
[10:29] <ppf> that's gnome shell though?
[10:29] <lotus|NUC> yes
[10:30] <lotus|NUC> want me to try awesome?
[10:30] <ppf> that would be awesome
[10:30] <lotus|NUC> lol
[10:31] <ppf> :D
[10:33] <lotus|NUC> ppf: i got a grey theme there by default
[10:34] <ppf> that sounds like what i have too?
[10:34] <ppf> okay, but sounds like that's where i should dig
[10:35] <lotus|NUC> ppf: https://imgur.com/a/7RfxHy2
[10:35] <elias_a> Connecting a laptop running 18.04 to Android phone with USB cord to transfer photos. Connection is reaaly slow.
[10:35] <ppf> lotus|NUC: huh
[10:35] <lotus|NUC> ppf: what?
[10:36] <elias_a> Tested with 2 laptops, 2 Android phones and 2 USB cables. Always the same result. Is this a known issue?
[10:36] <ppf> lotus|NUC: that looks very different to mine
[10:37] <lotus|NUC> ppf: what else do you have installed?
[10:37] <ppf> lotus|NUC: anything specific?
[10:37] <lotus|NUC> ppf: did you upgrade from bionic for example? had other themes active there?
[10:38] <ppf> yes, i upgraded from bionic
[10:38] <ppf> not aware of any themes i had there
[10:38] <lotus|NUC> ppf: im on i mini cosmic, but my guess that would not influence awesome
[10:41] <ppf> interesting, btw, nautilus shows the same general (bright) theme, but it _does_ have the scrollbar that fades in and out when you hover it
[10:42] <lotus|NUC> ppf: im trying system settings & gnome tweaks here but no dice on awesome..buggy?
[10:43] <lotus|NUC> ppf: nautilus gives me same theme as terminal here
[10:43] <Guest4581> hi guys I should install ubuntu from scratch and I would like to know what are advantages and disadvantages of the swap file respect to swap partition
[10:47] <lotus|NUC> ppf: nautilus also gives me black scrollbar thicker, when hovering over
[10:48] <UserInterface> do i need to update drivers after installing ubuntu or is it system managed?
[10:49] <lotus|NUC> UserInterface: keep your system up to date at all times, and youl be good
[10:49] <UserInterface> tnx
[10:49] <lord4163> UserInterface: You might have to install the GPU driver
[10:49] <lotus|NUC> UserInterface: in normal cases, the best drivers are chosen by the system
[10:50] <lord4163> lotus|NUC: since when?
[10:50] <lotus|NUC> but as lord4163 mentions graphics drivers can glitch sometime, might need newer/other
[10:50] <lotus|NUC> lord4163: ubuntu-drivers list
[10:50] <UserInterface> cool, i'll get my nas connected tomorrow and try kodi. if it runs fine i'll ignore it for now
[10:51] <elias_a> Guest4581: Some old thoughts on that: ttps://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/swap-file-vs-swap-partition-640713/
[10:51] <elias_a> Guest4581: I would use a partition.
[10:51] <lotus|NUC> elias_a Guest4581 also depends if he installs ubuntu on an ssd
[10:52] <lord4163> Guest4581: swap file will have the file system overhead
[10:52] <elias_a> Seems like the slowness of USB connection is an issue: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1076570/android-phone-very-slow-to-connect-to-ubuntu-18-04-using-usb
[10:53] <Richard_Cavell> I use galculator on Ubuntu 16.04.  However, the developer has indicated that the project is now dead (has been since 2015).  I found a bug in galculator and I'm not sure what to do.  Any ideas?
[10:54] <lotus|NUC> Richard_Cavell: when a project is not maintained well anymore, bugs have no impact much neither
[10:54] <lotus|NUC> Richard_Cavell: move to an alterntive?
[10:55] <Richard_Cavell> In fact Ubuntu crash reporter is now sending a report.  I suppose that won't be actioned either.
[10:55] <UserInterface> one last thing before i hit the sack, is there a Invoke-Command like powershell or is it best to ssh?
[10:58] <lotus|NUC> Richard_Cavell: bugs will create a launchpad for official packages, but if the maintainer is not active anymore not sure if that will help much
[11:00] <ppf> lotus|NUC: i'll check with the awesome folks
[11:00] <lotus|NUC> kk
[11:05] <UserInterface> found my answer. can do apt-get over ssh. g'night all..
[11:10] <Guest4581> lord4163 elias_a why ubuntu use default swap file?
[11:11] <lord4163> Guest4581: does it?
[11:11] <lord4163> Guest4581: since when?
[11:11] <elias_a> Guest4581: I do not get what you are referring to. AFAIK default installation makes a swap partition.
[11:13] <Guest4581> lord4163 https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviPartizioni/SwapDomandeFrequenti#Dov.27.2BAOg_la_partizione_di_swap_in_Ubuntu_17.04_.28e_successive.29.3F
[11:13] <Guest4581> since Ubuntu 17.04..
[11:14] <lord4163> Guest4581: and you expect that I speak Italian?
[11:14] <elias_a> lord4163: I do read and AFAIK the information is partial.
[11:15] <tachikomas> Hello. I'm having power issue with my laptop (x230). When i close the lid, the computer goes into suspend, but when i open it again, it boot up completly. If i use suspend as a command in a terminal, or hibernate, i dont have any troubles.
[11:15] <Guest4581> lord4163 https://translate.google.it
[11:15] <tachikomas> i tryed to modify the /etc/systemd/login.conf with different options about the lid, but always the same issue.
[11:16] <lord4163> Guest4581: Hm, I don't know why do that.
[11:16] <tachikomas> logind.conf : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZTMBNw9DT4/
[11:17] <elias_a> Guest4581: The information you are referring to is misleading. Just do a normal installation and create a swap partition normally.
[11:17] <elias_a> Guest4581: Is it a desktop or a server?
[11:18] <lord4163> elias_a: No, he is correct
[11:18] <elias_a> lord4163: What? Really=??
[11:18] <lord4163> elias_a: But I always partition the disks myself
[11:19] <elias_a> Ok - I stand corrected, then.
[11:19] <lord4163> Canonical seems to value ease of management over performance.
[11:19] <lord4163> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/12/ubuntu-17-04-drops-swaps-swap-partitions-swap-files
[11:19] <elias_a> Well... I'd make a separate /home partition as well, so....
[11:19] <Guest4581> elias_a you can create a swap partition, but I would like to understand why canonical (by default) decided to switch to the swapfile on ubuntu installations from scratch
[11:20] <elias_a> Guest4581: I cannot answer that, sorry. Just heard about it now.
[11:20] <lord4163> Guest4581: I told you, ease of management. It is easier to resize
[11:21] <lord4163> Guest4581: And it only creates a swap file if you don't use LVM
[11:21] <elias_a> But as lord4163 said, if one wants performance, a separate partition is your choice.
[11:23] <Guest4581> lord4163 yes, it's easier to manage for resizing, but are there any disadvantages with regards to the file system?
[11:24] <lord4163> Guest4581: it's slower
[11:24] <Guest4581> that is, having a swapfile inside an ext4 file system has disadvantages compared to having a swap partition with its own file system?
[11:26] <Guest4581> lord4163 the efficiency concerns then only the resizing, if then for the rest, you are telling me that it is slower
[11:26] <lord4163> Guest4581: Yes, when you have a separate partition, there is no filesystem, thus no overhead from the filesystem, so it will be faster.
[11:29] <Guest4581> lord4163 I understand, nothing else?
[11:30] <lord4163> Guest4581: Nothing else as far as I am aware of.
[11:30] <Guest4581> lord4163 ok thanks :-)
[11:31] <lord4163> Kind of a weird move from Canonical though. Most poeple aren't going to resize their swap file.
[11:31] <lord4163> swap partition*
[11:34] <sonOfRa> Hello. In 18.10, the default JDK seems to be 11 now. The openjfx package is now only available only for java 11, and there's no openjfx-8-whatever like there is openjdk-8-jre/jdk.
[11:35] <sonOfRa> Is there still a way to install openjfx 8 on 18.10? A lot of javafx applications, most notably probably jabref, simply are not compatible with java 11 yet, and now it's become impossible to run them on 18.10 out of the box
[12:00] <foo2k> Hi, not sure if its releated to here. but Ill try anyway. I have hardisk in VM -> lets say 10G. and I want to put there ext4. and tommorow it can be 100G. whats the best way to allocate a fs on it? using lvm? just extending with parted or something
[12:01] <Platonides> foo2k: if you can simply enlarge the physical disk (from the VM point of view)
[12:02] <Platonides> I would just put a filesystem there directly
[12:02] <Platonides> you can then increase the fs with resize2fs
[12:02] <Platonides> if it was an actual disk, it wouldn't be so easy
[12:03] <Platonides> so added layers like lvm make more sense
[12:04] <foo2k> I see. yeah -> if another hardisk is added to the VM and not just by increasing the HD memory
[12:04] <foo2k> I would like to "export" both the HD in a way that will be transperent to the user
[12:05] <foo2k> useing overlay-fs? or maybe LVM here helps this kind of situation ?
[12:07] <Platonides> what do you mean by exporting the HD?
[12:07] <Platonides> export the VM as a OVA?
[12:08] <foo2k> no I mean like a nfs:x
[12:08] <candidat> hello fellas !
[12:09] <Platonides> well, nfs is kinda independent on how the disks are organised at a lower layer
[12:11] <foo2k> Yeah hmm im reading a bit on LVM still not sure how it works, but seems this is what I want. if I have /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb5 /dev/sdc1 -> I would like to have "one mount" to these paritions. something like that
[12:25] <strange> hey guys i have a very long url which i want to use on my box but the config file of the program im trying to use doesnt like the long urls i think i recall that its possible to redirect urls somewhere in my /etc/networking
[12:25] <strange> so i can put https://setting1.com in the config file for the program im using
[12:26] <strange> which will redirect to the long url with the symbols the program doesnt like?
[12:27] <terrestrian> hi guys. anyone here?
[12:27] <strange> <
[12:28] <EriC^^> !ask | terrestrian
[12:28] <terrestrian> ok. my microphone isn't working with my sound card right know.
[12:29] <terrestrian> I have Sound Blaster 5.1 VX.
[12:29] <gpunk> does it have a switch ?
[12:29] <terrestrian> nope
[12:29] <gpunk> do you have alsa-mixer installed ?
[12:29] <terrestrian> I have
[12:30] <gpunk> have you double checked with it ? ....
[12:30] <terrestrian> yeah
[12:31] <NTQ> Is there a good software which can tag faces in a big image library? Like Googles Picasa did it in the windows world.
[12:32] <Miar> Hey, I had a question. Is it imperative to uninstall Nvidia drivers before updating my kernel?
[12:32] <gpunk> Miar no
[12:33] <rory> Miar: if you installed the nvidia driver via the Ubuntu additional drivers tool, you don't need to do anything
[12:33] <rory> Miar: it's never necessary to UNinstall them, but if you installed them manually you might need to do it again
[12:33] <gpunk> terrestrian: can we ss your dmesg ?
[12:34] <terrestrian> gpunk, the list is way too long. how can I take a screenshot?
[12:35] <gpunk> you cant copy/paste it ?
[12:35] <Miar> Thanks!
[12:36] <terrestrian> you mean not as png format but raw text?
[12:36] <terrestrian> I can
[12:36] <gpunk> raw text, you can use pastebinit
[12:37] <terrestrian> wait a min
[12:39] <ppf> how can i configure the theme without gnome-tweaks?
[12:40] <gpunk> you cant
[12:40] <ppf> ?
[12:40] <ppf> how can i not
[12:40] <gpunk> well you could manually , modifying the conf. files ,
[12:41] <gpunk> but i dont know how to
[12:41] <ppf> okay
[12:43] <ppf> can i reinstall the default theme somehow?
[12:44] <gpunk> how did you change it ?
[12:44] <ppf> i didn't, it's broken after the cosmic upgrade
[12:44] <gpunk> ah
[12:44] <gpunk> better install gnome-tweaks then
[12:45] <ppf> i have no gnome shell, so gnome-tweaks won't help
[12:45] <terrestrian> gpunk sorry I am late. here is my dmesg output https://pastebin.com/AXbgs28N
[12:47] <hadifarnoud> I'm checking if my server is hacked. where can I find sshd md5?
[12:47] <gpunk> do you also have an internal sound card ?
[12:47] <hadifarnoud> doing it via "md5sum /usr/sbin/sshd"
[12:48] <terrestrian> I only have one sound card. It is in my case.
[12:49] <gpunk> can you run this: aplay -l   ?
[12:50] <terrestrian> here. https://pastebin.com/Za0zxMr6
[12:53] <ppf> !info gtk-theme-config
[12:53] <ppf> what happend to that?
[12:54] <gpunk> that s for gtk2 i think anyway
[12:54] <ppf> cosmic is what, gtk4?
[12:55] <ppf> or still 3?
[12:55] <gpunk> yes still 3 afaik
[13:02] <irongeeks> Hello! Where the heck is ~/.config/hexchat
[13:02] <irongeeks> Looking for that folder
[13:03] <terrestrian> well, thanks for your time anyway, gpunk.
[13:04] <rory> irongeeks: ~ is your home directory, so /home/username
[13:04] <rory> irongeeks: if a file or directory starts with a . it won't appear in the graphical file manager
[13:04] <rory> irongeeks: but you can still access it: cd ~/.config
[13:04] <rory> irongeeks: or edit it directly: nano ~/.config/hexchat
[13:05] <rory> in general ~/.config is the directory where programs are *supposed* to store their flat config files
[13:05] <gpunk> terrestrian: can you try    alsamixer -c2
[13:06] <terrestrian> what am I supposed to do here
[13:06] <Haris> hello all
[13:06] <Haris> I have php 7.2 installed on 16.x. how do I enable mcrypt mod?
[13:07] <gpunk> there is no mic selection ?
[13:07] <Haris> installed it via pecl. don't know if 16.x comes with a php enable mod type command, as we have on 14.x
[13:08] <terrestrian> there is one but I can't volume up or down neither mute or unmute. I can provide screenshot if you want
[13:08] <Haris> guys?
[13:08] <gpunk> i wanna see arecord -l  plz
[13:10] <terrestrian> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jQvGKdsxKT/
[13:12] <Haris> how to enable mcrypt mod for php 7.2 on 16.x ?
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:14] <gpunk> terrestrian: in the GUI , settings>sound : input tab   , can i see it too ?
[13:14] <terrestrian> wait a sec.
[13:16] <terrestrian> here. https://imgur.com/a/uNsGX8Z
[13:17] <gpunk> i guess you have tryed all three inputs ?
[13:17] <terrestrian> yes
[13:18] <irongeeks> rory: Thanks, I just have limited knowledge with CLI and just trying to get th ehang of using it...
[13:18] <irongeeks> rory: strange, my /home/username/ doesn't have Hexchat folder in it
[13:18] <irongeeks> rory: when i install Hexchat, I use: sudo apt install hexchat -y
[13:19] <irongeeks> rory: it seems to be installing in its system wide directories like lib folder
[13:20] <robert45> anyone familiar with ltsp ?
[13:21] <eelstrebor> is it just my imagination or does network manager openvpn discarding some of the options in an ovpn file?
[13:21] <irongeeks> rory: I am able to open the config file for hexchat but it says it doesn't exst.
[13:29] <rory> irongeeks: you might need to run hexchat once for it to create its files
[13:29] <BluesKaj> eelstrebor, I haven't encountered that with my vpn service/server . If you have all the .ovpn location files in /etc/openvpn then you should be able to choose any one of them to connect
[13:29] <rory> irongeeks: you can do: cd ~/.config
[13:29] <rory> irongeeks: then "ls" to list files
[13:32] <hadifarnoud> reboot says others are logged in and suggests doing "systemctl reboot -i"
[13:32] <hadifarnoud> but "who" command says I'm the only one logged in
[13:32] <hadifarnoud> what's up?
[13:33] <gpunk> you might a console opened by you ?
[13:33] <gpunk> have*
[13:33] <hadifarnoud> this is a remote server gpunk
[13:34] <gpunk> w and who gives you only one line/connection ?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> eelstrebor, using a gui to connect to your vpn server or the cli?
[13:35] <geosmin> hi! i'm trying to add additional usb passthroughs from host to guest using libvirt, qemu/kvm but getting a "no free usb ports" error, anyone know a workaround?
[13:48] <sappheiros> Is it okay to be connected to both wifi and ethernet?
[13:48] <sappheiros> can ubuntu actually get faster internet speeds this way?
[13:51] <BluesKaj> sappheiros, nope, one or the other, not both
[13:52] <sappheiros> so if it's showing the ethernet icon but says it's also connected to wifi, does that mean it's not actually using the wifi's connection?
[13:55] <BluesKaj> sappheiros, if the ethernet cable is connected then it takes precedence over wifi, that's the default setting afaik, icons won't matter
[13:59] <sappheiros> how do i get it to use IPv6 instead of IPv4?
[14:14] <nroetert> Installed Ubuntu 18.10 on my workstation with Vega 64. When it blanks the screen after 10 minutes (default 5) it never returns, need to turn it of and boot again, anybody else seen this?
[14:23] <zen_coder> is there a package "qt591base"?
[14:23] <zen_coder> I added "sudo apt-add-repository --yes ppa:beineri/opt-qt591-trusty"
[14:23] <zen_coder> thought there is "qt591base"
[14:28] <ducasse> zen_coder: you are on 14.04, i assume?
[14:29] <jayjo> is there an equivalent way to use `envdir <path> <child-process>` with a single file? I'm using a docker image of ubuntu and would like to prodive a single file of environment variables instead of a directory of them
[14:30] <zen_coder> ducasse: yes
[14:30] <zen_coder> I am on ubunut 14.04
[14:35] <the_drow> Does anyone know how to prevent a user from executing bash without the --restricted argument using apparmor?
[15:26] <zen_coder> d
[15:27] <zen_coder> ducasse: how can I use pip3 under ubunut 14.04?
[15:27] <zen_coder> sudo pip3 install --upgrade pip
[15:27] <zen_coder> I get: pip3: command not found
[15:27] <zen_coder> whats wrong?
[15:28] <omarramo> hey guys, I am on ubuntu 18.04 and I need an older vesrion of the package tesseract-ocr https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/tesseract-ocr but as I understand the correct version is only available in the "artful" tab. how do I install this package to my system?
[15:28] <omarramo> specifically I need 3.04
[15:33] <mensvaga> How do I configure NetworkManager to not cache DNS results?
[15:34] <mensvaga> Short story: I tried to resolve a host that's only available when on a VPN.  My Ubuntu box cached the result.  Now that I'm on the VPN, the old result is in my DNS cache.
[15:41] <zen_coder> anybody?
[15:42] <mensvaga> zen_coder: what was your question?
[15:42] <zen_coder> I did following in ubuntu 14.04
[15:42] <zen_coder> mensvaga: sudo pip3 install --upgrade pip
[15:43] <mensvaga> Iiiiiiiiiiiii'd ask that in #python
[15:43] <zen_coder> but I get following in return
[15:43] <zen_coder> sudo: pip3: command not found
[15:43] <mensvaga> oh
[15:43] <mensvaga> apt-cache search pip
[15:43] <mensvaga> the sudo apt-get install pip(whatever)
[15:43] <mensvaga> then run pip
[15:54] <OerHeks> !find pip3
[15:55] <nicomachus> that seems like normal behavior...
[15:59] <dax> it's an ubottu bug
[15:59] <ioria> !info python3-pip trusty
[15:59] <omarramo> !find tesseract-ocr
[15:59] <omarramo> cool
[16:04] <CoolerZ> hey
[16:04] <CoolerZ> I am trying to install boost but its giving errors https://paste.pound-python.org/raw/NfTyfPhFACNYIJj7MaEO/
[16:04] <CoolerZ> is it a server problem?
[16:04] <CoolerZ> do i need to update some ppa thingy?
[16:05] <pragmaticenigma> CoolerZ: probably a timing thing... wait a while and try again
[16:06] <CoolerZ> pragmaticenigma, I did
[16:06] <CoolerZ> what is this BS anyway? what timing thing?
[16:06] <CoolerZ> are they always doing maintenance?
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> CoolerZ: Please mind your tone
[16:07] <CoolerZ> this has happened multiple times when trying to install libraries
[16:08] <CoolerZ> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/....  is a very common error with libxxxx packages
[16:10] <TimRiker> upgrading kernel to 4.15.0-38 on 18.04.1 seems to have broken Xorg with nvidia 390.77-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 on my Lenovo W540 when docked. Known issue? Reverting to 4.15.0-36 and Xorg shows up again. I don't see an error in Xorg.0.log
[16:10] <adrian_1908> CoolerZ: have you tried a different mirror? You can easily switch back and forth using the GUI.
[16:11] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: i didnt hear 390 breaks yet on the new kernel
[16:11] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: whats your card chipset mate?
[16:12] <TimRiker> Xorg log looks fine, but none of the 3 external monitors connected through the dock via displayport light up.
[16:12] <TimRiker> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK107GLM [Quadro K1100M] (rev a1)
[16:13] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: can you tell us wich driver your system reccomends: ubuntu-drivers list
[16:13] <TimRiker> nvidia-driver-390
[16:14] <UberPope> Hey folks! Love the ubuntu. It's great, so far. If I could pick someone's brain ... that's d awesome. Here's the deal: I want to offer to clients (small local businesses) a technological leap -- Office server (w/ubuntu server, ERP, File server) + website for sale connected to the ERP (on the LAN)
[16:14] <TimRiker> again, works in 4.15.0-36-generic (which I booted into now)
[16:14] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: might indeed be a bug on the kernel then
[16:15] <TimRiker> ok. I'll look deeper and see what I can find. Thx!
[16:15] <UberPope> So I have a test server here (T410), installed Ubuntu Server 18.04, now I need to install the proper "shit" to get the server running, then get the file server and ERP (I picked Dolibarr)...
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> CoolerZ: from a search of the web, it would appear the problem is either the main and USA mirrors have issues, or something is enabled in the PPAs that is getting in the way (such as update-alternatives)
[16:16] <CoolerZ> pragmaticenigma, i haven't messed with  update-alternatives
[16:16] <CoolerZ> pragmaticenigma, how do i switch mirrors?
[16:16] <adrian_1908> CoolerZ: you can use the Software & Updates GUI tool
[16:16] <pragmaticenigma> CoolerZ: https://askubuntu.com/questions/104695/how-do-i-change-mirrors-in-ubuntu-server-from-regional-to-main
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> CoolerZ: Recommended way is through the GUI
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> UberPope: Please mind your language here.
[16:18] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390/+bugs?orderby=-datecreated&start=0
[16:18] <pragmaticenigma> UberPope: Also, this is a support channel. Your question is better suited for a channel regarding server setup (and not dedicated to support)
[16:19] <Dbugger> I have an issue when connecting to VPN with Ubuntu 18.04. When I try to connect I get a message "Activation of network connection failed Ubuntu", and I have no idea where to start to solve this. Does anyone has an idea of what could be the issue?
[16:19] <UberPope> Aight thanks. How do you do the green name stuff?
[16:19] <lotus|NUC> !tab | UberPope
[16:20] <pragmaticenigma> UberPope: Your IRC client highlights messages that contains your nick
[16:20] <Zoos> wow that's a neat feature
[16:20] <UberPope> pragmaticenigma, Got it, it was the tab thing I was looking for. I would be ridiculously annoying to type everyone's name... especially *cough* names. ;)
[16:21] <UberPope> Danke
[16:22] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: another test could be: trying to the 390 version from ubuntu graphics ppa (just for testing)
[16:26] <Schnabeltierchen> Would someone mind a sanity check in my code? https://pastebin.com/apNEMQbv
[16:29] <tgm4883> Schnabeltierchen: wouldn't the restore function execute on the remote machine?
[16:31] <Schnabeltierchen> -_- that´s true and one of the reasons, i´m asking professionals :P
[16:39] <TimRiker> apport-collect runs, collects logs, asks me to login on launchpad, but the logs never show up. How do I determine why?
[16:40] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: try to login first on launchpad, then after create ubuntu-bug your-affected-package
[16:41] <TimRiker> lotus|NUC, did that. Trying to attach logs to it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1799994
[16:41] <TimRiker> now I was trying apport-collect -p linux-image-generic 1799994
[16:41] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: ah, you should have made the bug from terminal, it adds logs automatic to it then
[16:42] <CoolerZ> pragmaticenigma, i tried the GUI and it failed to switch to the "Main Server"
[16:42] <CoolerZ> There are no other options
[16:42] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: add the logs as attachment, at bottom
[16:42] <CoolerZ> only "Main Server" and "Use united states servers"
[16:42] <TimRiker> where does apport-collect dump them?
[16:43] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: think that command you were given, should add the logs to the existing bug
[16:44] <genii> TimRiker: The manpage seems to suggest in .apport/.crash
[16:44] <genii> ( probably in the users home dir)
[16:45] <Greyztar> hello,i dont got any desktop environment,is it still possibel to install vnc server to show only terminal?
[16:45] <OerHeks> vnc for terminal only .. someone fixed that, it is called ssh
[16:46] <cnnx> does AMD Ryzen 2700x cpu play nice with ubuntu?
[16:46] <cnnx> i'm about to build a system with that chip
[16:46] <TimRiker> genii, except there's no "crash" in this case. I checked the man page first. :)
[16:46] <Greyztar> got vnc in browser like to keep it all there
[16:46] <cnnx> also, will ubuntu care if I have 8gb vs 32gb ram
[16:46] <lotus|NUC> cnnx: for newer hardware we often reccomend try a liveusb==work nice? ==>physical install
[16:47] <genii> TimRiker: Maybe some other file in .apport/ then
[16:47] <lotus|NUC> cnnx: what will be the purpose of your machine?
[16:47] <cnnx> development
[16:48] <TimRiker> I have no .apport :( I do have a .cache/apport but all it has is credentials. on to strace...
[16:48] <lotus|NUC> cnnx: 8gig is great, more is always better?
[16:49] <acresearch> people i still have to execute python using python3    when will python3 become the default in ubuntu? and why are we still using python2? hasn't it been phased out?
[16:51] <OerHeks> acresearch, 18.04 LTS .. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Other_base_system_changes_since_16.04_LTS
[16:51] <OerHeks> !info python2
[16:51] <euxneks> :O
[16:51] <OerHeks> !info python2.7
[16:52] <OerHeks> - optional -
[16:52] <acresearch> OerHeks: i am on 18.04 and i still have Python 2.7.15rc1    i just checked
[16:53] <acresearch> OerHeks: i am confused
[16:53] <euxneks> acresearch, maybe you upgraded from a previous version?
[16:53] <euxneks> (ubuntu, that is)
[16:53] <acresearch> euxneks: no i installed a clean installation around a week ago
[16:53] <OerHeks> *maybe* some other package pulled that in, look for dependencies
[16:54] <acresearch> OerHeks: i used to use arch and i moved back to ubuntu, in arch there is only python3,   but anyway i made a clean installation
[16:55] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: another option would be, set your current bug invalid, and create a new with: ubuntu-bug linux
[16:56] <OerHeks> apt-cache rdepends python2.7 # will show you what needs 2.7
[16:56] <TimRiker> lotus|NUC, same result. ubuntu-bug collects everything, and asks me to send, but then nothing happens and it exits.
[16:57] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: it needs a lil bit of time to load up your info to the bug, waited long enough?
[16:57] <TimRiker> yes. the dialog comes up with all the details. When it hit send, nothing happens other than the dialog closes.
[16:59] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: check your system settings/privacy/reporting bugs what is it set to?
[16:59] <acresearch> OerHeks: 279   items   !!!
[17:00] <rawco> hi all
[17:00] <rawco> i has a problem and was wondering best way to approach
[17:00] <lotus|NUC> hey rawco what can we do for you?
[17:00] <rawco> hi lotus|NUC
[17:00] <rawco> So, I have this supermicro box with a SSD
[17:00] <TimRiker> lotus|NUC, ah! it was set to never. Would be useful if apport-collect mentioned that.... trying again.
[17:01] <rawco> and when i installed ubuntu, it created this partition that is getting full really quick
[17:01] <rawco> because it’s only 4GB
[17:01] <TimRiker> lotus|NUC, that was it. Awesome. Thanks.
[17:01] <rawco> - /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv  3.9G  3.4G  331M  92% /
[17:01] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: did you set it to never yourself, or was that by default?
[17:01] <rawco> trying to understand
[17:02] <rawco> Linux 4.15.0-33-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Wed Aug 15 16:00:05 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:02] <rawco> root@crashplan:~# lsb_release -a
[17:02] <rawco> No LSB modules are available.
[17:02] <rawco> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[17:02] <rawco> Description:	Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
[17:02] <rawco> Release:	18.04
[17:02] <rawco> Codename:	bionic
[17:04] <lotus|NUC> rawco: use a pastebin, and update your system to latest kernel please
[17:05] <TimRiker> lotus|NUC, I guess I sent it. Probably a long time ago. I notice that the cd image info on this box is from 13.10.. interesting. my home box is 9.10. in place upgrades rock. :)
[17:05] <Deknos> i upgraded in ubuntu my system and now my thunderbird has no lightning anymore ;( ... any idea how to export my calendar and todo data?! :(((
[17:06] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: feel free to share bugs link mate
[17:06] <rawco> lotus|NUC: do you recommend me following this: https://linuxhint.com/upgrade-kernel-ubuntu-1804/
[17:07] <lotus|NUC> rawco: no, instead: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[17:07] <TimRiker> Deknos, it lightning used to have a ppa someplace. You might find a package that works, or a download from mozilla that works. I'd backup for thunderbird profile directory first, and then try getting a newer plugin.
[17:07] <rawco> lotus|NUC: thank you
[17:08] <TimRiker> Deknos, make a copy of all of ~/.thunderbird or at least .thunderbird/*.default/
[17:08] <lotus|NUC> Deknos: we had more users with similar addons problems like you after thunderbird update
[17:08] <Copenhagen_Bram> hi! I just found out /var/log is 81gb, how do I empty it out?
[17:08] <TimRiker> lotus|NUC, as I posted above: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1799994 now with log goodness.
[17:08] <rawco> lotus|NUC:  disk is too full to do this
[17:08] <rawco> let me try to liberate some space
[17:09] <TimRiker> rawco, here's package sizes... dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size;10}\t${Package}\n'|sort -n
[17:09] <Copenhagen_Bram> speaking of liberating some space...
[17:10] <Copenhagen_Bram> lol
[17:10] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: ok answer #17 your not having this on .36 kernel$
[17:12] <lotus|NUC> Copenhagen_Bram: i always use bleachbit to cleanout
[17:13] <Copenhagen_Bram> alright i'll try that
[17:13] <Copenhagen_Bram> my space is still being eaten
[17:13] <Copenhagen_Bram> it's down to 129.9gb
[17:13] <lotus|NUC> Copenhagen_Bram: just keep in mind, to read the settings/manual before you cleanout
[17:14] <rawco> lotus|NUC: usage went to 89%
[17:14] <rawco> however i would like to avoid this in the future, should i just gparted and make the partition bigger?
[17:14] <rawco> i’m on 4.15.0-33-generic
[17:14] <lotus|NUC> rawco: how much space did you reserve for ubuntu?
[17:15] <rawco> the server has a dedicated boot drive of 256GB SSD
[17:15] <rawco> so pref. i would like to use at least half of that space
[17:15] <rawco> https://pastebin.com/3ELa3RPU lotus|NUC
[17:16] <lotus|NUC> rawco: server?
[17:16] <rawco> that’s what it looks like
[17:16] <rawco> lotus|NUC: https://pastebin.com/keXBG0b1 <— lsblk
[17:16] <lotus|NUC> rawco: .38 kernel is out for 18.04.1
[17:17] <TimRiker> lotus|NUC, indeed. -38 is the one I failed on... :)
[17:18] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: now your bug exist, a few hints for faster resolve: test things yourself, add the tests to the bug, and find other ppl affected
[17:19] <TimRiker> lotus|NUC, agreed. trying the mainline kernel packages next...
[17:19] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: .36 already works
[17:20] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: another idea would be testing wayland on .38
[17:21] <lotus|NUC> rawco: data cleanup is the users choice, proceed :p
[17:24] <rawco> lotus|NUC: understood, however, i think 4g for this root volume is not enough...
[17:26] <lotus|NUC> rawco: im not the server expert sorry, ask that part in #ubuntu-server please
[17:26] <rawco> gotcha! no worries and thank you :)
[17:31] <Copenhagen_Bram> yo /var/log/syslog and /var/log/kern.log are growing out of control on my computer
[17:32] <gpunk> what s in them ?  can you do tail -f $file ?
[17:33] <Copenhagen_Bram> it's some kind of kernel trace in kern.log
[17:34] <gpunk> we know that
[17:34] <Copenhagen_Bram> lmao
[17:34] <Copenhagen_Bram> the same thing is being spammed in syslog
[17:34] <gpunk> if you wanna get helped, better tell us more, show us ...
[17:34] <Copenhagen_Bram> wait i see a warning
[17:34] <Copenhagen_Bram> alright i'll put one of them in a pastebin
[17:34] <gpunk> voila
[17:35] <Copenhagen_Bram> but it starts with "WARNING: CPU: 1 PID: 24485 at /build/linux-39dmni/linux-4.15.0/drivers/usb/core/urb.c:471 usb_submit_urb+0x21a/0x5b0"
[17:35] <gpunk> you might have a buggy usb hardware
[17:36] <gpunk> or driver ...
[17:36] <Copenhagen_Bram> hmmm
[17:37] <lotus|NUC> Copenhagen_Bram: uname -a please?
[17:38] <Copenhagen_Bram> Linux elonsatoshi-Presario-CQ57-Notebook-PC 4.15.0-36-generic #39-Ubuntu SMP Mon Sep 24 16:19:09 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:38] <gpunk> what the ubuntu version?
[17:39] <Copenhagen_Bram> 1804
[17:39] <Copenhagen_Bram> 18.04*
[17:39] <Copenhagen_Bram> Here's one of the messages that are being spammed: http://termbin.com/tpdv
[17:39] <gpunk> post your dmesg too if possible
[17:39] <Copenhagen_Bram> well.. the message that is being spammed
[17:39] <Copenhagen_Bram> dmesg is spamming too
[17:40] <gpunk> ok
[17:40] <Copenhagen_Bram> it's the same message though
[17:40] <Copenhagen_Bram> can I delete syslog and kern.log without crashing the system?
[17:40] <Copenhagen_Bram> i only have 128 gigs left
[17:40] <gpunk> type >$file if you want to
[17:41] <Copenhagen_Bram> huh?
[17:41] <gpunk> instead of removing $file
[17:41] <gpunk> empty it
[17:42] <Copenhagen_Bram> $file is an empty variable
[17:42] <gpunk> it s for you to replace with syslog or kern.log :)
[17:42] <Copenhagen_Bram> so I type `>/var/log/syslog`?
[17:42] <gpunk> yes
[17:43] <Copenhagen_Bram> permission denied, even with sudo
[17:44] <Copenhagen_Bram> guess i'll use su
[17:44] <gpunk> crap you need to use journactl i guess, it s a systemd thing
[17:45] <TimRiker> sudo does not sudo the > so sudo to root first, and then >.
[17:46] <Copenhagen_Bram> done
[17:46] <gpunk> cool
[17:46] <gpunk> is your machine up to date ?
[17:47] <Copenhagen_Bram> yes i think so
[17:47] <Copenhagen_Bram> should I try unplugging everything that's in my USB ports?
[17:47] <gpunk> yes
[17:47] <gpunk> one by one,
[17:48] <gpunk> and see on each step if it stops
[17:48] <lotus|NUC> TimRiker: try logging into wayland .38 its a quick test :p
[17:48] <Copenhagen_Bram> one more thing to unplug, and it's my wifi
[17:48] <ntd> why does every single firefox version bump include at least two new "features" phoning home?
[17:48] <Copenhagen_Bram> so i might go offline
[17:49] <ntd> canonical could get in real trouble for autoupgrading ff between major versions over that
[17:49] <YADW> Hello! I'm trying to set up a shared network printer on an ubuntu 16.04 host. Firewall is off on both client and server. When I try to print, CUPS log reads "stopped - filter failed". What could be the problem?
[17:49] <lotus|NUC> ntd: elaborate please, whats not working anymore?
[17:50] <banyantree> Hi Guys, can somebody help me to configure mpd volume control? I've an onboard soundcard and a soundblaster which is used. I dont really know what to set in the audio_output section.
[17:51] <ntd> everything is working
[17:51] <ntd> but between major firefox versions mozilla sees fit to bundle new "features" phoning home
[17:51] <banyantree> alsa is used
[17:51] <ntd> aka spyware
[17:51] <lotus|NUC> ntd: use #ubuntu-discuss please for opinion sharing
[17:52] <OerHeks> ntd sure it is spyware, get off the internet
[17:52] <lotus|NUC> banyantree: see the #mpd channel also mate
[17:52] <ntd> not an "opinion" ffs. and if canonical is responsible for autoupgrading ff to a version which infringes re GDPR?
[17:52] <banyantree> lotus|NUC: thx dude i will have a look
[17:53] <ntd> i just had to sqau three of these new "features" introduced between 62 and 63
[17:53] <ntd> squat
[17:53] <tgm4883> ntd: in any case, it's not a support question and should be in the other channel
[17:54] <ntd> canonical potentially stepping in it re GDPR? sure, i'm sure ##ubuntu-pinterest is the right venue?
[17:54] <OerHeks> !fud
[17:54] <lotus|NUC> ntd: follow the advice you just received
[17:55] <ppf> sadly, cosmic did not fix my audio issues :(
[17:55] <Copenhagen_Bram> it was my wifi dongle
[17:55] <Copenhagen_Bram> i unplugged it, then plugged it back in, and the spam stopped
[17:55] <Copenhagen_Bram> thanks everyone
[17:55] <tgm4883> ntd: whether it's canonical or mozilla having GDPR issues is irrelevant to the support channel which is filled with volunteers that have nothing to do with either company
[17:55] <ppf> lotus|NUC: btw, #awesome says the theme is a gtk feature, not awesome's doing
[17:55] <Copenhagen_Bram> i wonder if it was crooked somehow
[17:55] <lotus|NUC> Copenhagen_Bram: now make your life easy and cleanup system with bleachbit
[17:55] <Copenhagen_Bram> that usb port is broke
[17:56] <gpunk> most likely
[17:56] <lotus|NUC> ppf: so its a leftover from your previous installs or so?
[17:56] <ppf> lotus|NUC: if it is, why did it change?
[17:56] <ntd> tgm4883, read the friggin message you are responding to, won't you?
[17:56] <Copenhagen_Bram> i had my computer in bed and accidentally knocked it off the side, and the wifi dongle got bent by part of the bed
[17:56] <gpunk> to clearup things, give it a try with a live usb , that will test a different kernel
[17:56] <lotus|NUC> ppf: im unsure mate, dont know your install history..
[17:56] <ntd> i'm saying that canonical can get in trouble for doing autoupgrades
[17:56] <lotus|NUC> ntd: stop it please
[17:57] <ntd> if said upgrades introduce these issues
[17:57] <lotus|NUC> ntd: move this to the right channel
[17:57] <tgm4883> ntd: and I'm saying this isn't the right channel to discuss such things
[17:57] <YADW> ntd Um, I think this is where support questions only belong. If you've got to complain about alleged spyware in firefox, systemd causing thermonuclear wars or earth actually being flat, I guess other channels could serve you better.
[18:00] <Copenhagen_Bram> ntd: #ubuntu-offtopic?
[18:01] <lotus|NUC> ppf: got an idea, try dconf-editor on awesome check if you can play with themes
[18:01] <ntd> gawd. why is it that if some people don't understand an issue they just assume it doesn't exist?
[18:01] <lotus|NUC> ntd: tupe /j #ubuntu-discuss
[18:03] <tgm4883> ntd: nobody is saying the issue doesn't exist (ok well some are) but everyone is saying that this is the incorrect venue to discuss it
[18:03] <ppf> lotus|NUC: got any tips where/how?
[18:04] <ppf> i've looked at that already
[18:04] <lotus|NUC> ppf: there's a handy searchfunction in dconf now, keyword theme
[18:05] <aidanh010> How can I install all of the PHP standard library (ex. stuff like php7.2-gd), is there a package group for that?
[18:05] <gpunk> Copenhagen_Bram: yes, it looks like it s the wifi card rather than the usb port broken
[18:06] <gpunk> try antother wifi stick , and see if it helps
[18:06] <ppf> lotus|NUC: i know, but there are dozens of setttings that match
[18:06] <Copenhagen_Bram> i mean, the spam stopped
[18:06] <Copenhagen_Bram> after i unplugged it and plugged it back in
[18:06] <gpunk> ok cool
[18:07] <OerHeks> aidanh010, it still needs 2 steps, AFAIK, apt-get install php and then the modules https://thishosting.rocks/install-php-on-ubuntu/
[18:07] <lotus|NUC> ppf: we want to know wich theme you are on
[18:08] <ppf> lotus|NUC: /org/onboard/theme is set to 'nightshade'
[18:09] <ppf> /org/gnome/desktop/interface/gtk-theme is Adwaita
[18:09] <lotus|NUC> ppf: i think thats the prob, adwaita is kinda white
[18:10] <ppf> lotus|NUC: google agrees!
[18:10] <lotus|NUC> ppf: bionic is on ambiance by default, not sure for cosmic
[18:11] <aidanh010> OerHeks is there any way to have the second step automatically install all modules rather than having to keep track of them in my dockerfile?
[18:12] <OerHeks> aidanh010, no, i have no knowledge of php-full or -extra packages that do that task
[18:12] <nacc_> aidanh010: why would you want *all* modules? that doesn't make sense
[18:12] <nacc_> aidanh010: you can select them by regex if you want, but that isn't a sensible choice
[18:13] <OerHeks> maybe a good idea to suggest, but on the other hand it php is heavily configurable to your needs, i don't  know your usercase, too many modules can be a risc
[18:13] <aidanh010> On Wordpress stack exchange they were saying that the modules were "standard" and should all be installed when I asked which ones are needed
[18:14] <aidanh010> since the documentation just says php >5 but apparently php7.2-gd is needed for the builtin crop tool
[18:15] <lotus|NUC> aidanh010: whats the tutorial link you following?
[18:15] <gpunk> becarefull not all php5 compliant application are compatible with php7.2
[18:15] <nacc_> aidanh010: you are trying to host your own wordpress installation? have you read why that's not a great idea/
[18:15] <ppf> lotus|NUC: set the gtk-theme to ambiance, didn't change a thing
[18:16] <gpunk> i have many php5.6 apps that dont work with 7.x
[18:16] <lotus|NUC> ppf: tryed a reboot?
[18:16] <nacc_> gpunk: yes, that's not really relevant here. wordpress is.
[18:17] <ppf> lotus|NUC: yes
[18:18] <aidanh010> not following any particular tutorial, just reading the official docs
[18:18] <lotus|NUC> ppf: out of ideas then, im unsure what or whatnot you purged to run awesome alone, maybe it got scrambled somehow? as the awesome guys say its about gtk?
[18:19] <ppf> lotus|NUC: i didn't purge anything
[18:19] <lotus|NUC> ppf: you said you dont have gnome
[18:19] <aidanh010> like even here https://wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/42098/what-are-php-extensions-and-libraries-wp-needs-and-or-uses they couldn't come up with a full list
[18:19] <ppf> lotus|NUC: i don't use gnome
[18:19] <ppf> it's still sitting around somewhere
[18:19] <nacc_> aidanh010: see the wordpress package for the minimm list
[18:19] <ppf> assuming something installed it
[18:19] <lotus|NUC> ppf: what was your ubuntu base install to put awesome on then?
[18:20] <ppf> like ... wily i think
[18:21] <lotus|NUC> ppf: so..you purged unity then?
[18:21] <ppf> looks like i just removed it
[18:22] <lotus|NUC> ppf: i know a good test for you, try to clean install ubuntu and install awesome to compare :p
[18:23] <lotus|NUC> ppf: my guess it will be like my earlier screenshots of awesome
[18:23] <ppf> yeah, i thought we checked that
[18:24] <lotus|NUC> ppf: so must be some leftover of gtk in your system or so?
[18:24] <ppf> on the other hand, since i realized i have gnome installed, gnome-tweaks is rolling!
[18:24] <lotus|NUC> ppf: isnt there like a awesome reset back to defaults or so
[18:25] <ppf> awesome is just the windowmanager
[18:25] <ppf> it doesn't do anything
[18:25] <lotus|NUC> ppf: did you try gnome to see how terminal looks there?
[18:26] <OerHeks> changing theme, maybe you need to logout/login again?
[18:27] <lotus|NUC> he rebooted OerHeks
[18:27] <ppf> lotus|NUC: i did, same as in awesome
[18:27] <ppf> then i switched things using gnome-tweaks, and now they look okay
[18:27] <ppf> but only in gnome :(
[18:27] <lotus|NUC> ppf: yeah its adwaita, thats whitey
[18:28] <ppf> lotus|NUC: yeah, which is apparently the default on cosmic
[18:28] <lotus|NUC> ah kk
[18:28] <lotus|NUC> ppf: so maybe its the way it looks now, be happy with it?
[18:29] <ppf> no way, have you seen the screenshot? the scrollbar goes multiple pixels INTO the menubar
[18:30] <lotus|NUC> ppf: yeah doesnt make sense, as on my cosmic it looked real nice
[18:30] <ppf> also the white is quite ugly
[18:49] <lotus|NUC> hey ioria
[18:49] <ioria> lotus|NUC, hi, lotus ... all good ?
[18:50] <lotus|NUC> ioria: yes tnx, ppf has a weird issue on awesome wm cosmic, his terminal has white menu bar and scrollbar
[18:50] <lotus|NUC> ioria: on my cosmic awesome vanilla, looks clean normal terminal
[18:51] <ioria> lotus|NUC, i see
[18:51] <lotus|NUC> ioria: theme adwaita
[18:51] <ppf> ioria: and i can't get it to switch back to ambiance
[18:52] <ioria> ppf,  honestly no idea ...  maybe a screenshot might help us for starter
[18:53] <ppf> i had one, hang on
[18:53] <ppf> https://imgur.com/a/nZcE1Wp
[18:54] <lotus|NUC> ioria: this was mine on gnome/cosmic https://imgur.com/a/sSGw3ox
[18:54] <ppf> yay infinite scrollback :)
[18:54] <lotus|NUC> ioria: and awesome: https://imgur.com/a/7RfxHy2
[18:55] <ioria> lotus|NUC, yes, probably a theme issue
[18:57] <ppf> lotus|NUC: yeah, but how do i fix it?
[18:57] <ioria> ppf, ~/.config/awesome/themes/default    is empty ?
[18:57] <ppf> setting it in gnome doesn't affect awesome
[18:57] <ppf> ioria: no themes/
[18:57] <ioria> ppf, /usr/share/awesome/themes/default
[18:59] <ppf> not empty
[19:00] <ppf> theme.lua was last changed in march
[19:02] <ioria> ppf, are you sure ambiance is still present in cosmic ?
[19:02] <ppf> i just switched in gnome and it looked fine
[19:03] <ppf> on the other hand, how can i check if its present?
[19:04] <ioria> ppf, in gnome-tweak ....    you probably need need to copy and edit /etc/xdg/awesome/rc.lua
[19:05] <ppf> i used gnome-tweak to switch in gnome, yes
[19:06] <ppf> rc.lua doesn't do much ... just load theme.lua
[19:07] <ppf> the default one that is
[19:07] <ppf> which i'm not using
[19:09] <ppf> Dez 27  2017 /etc/xdg/awesome/rc.lua
[19:09] <ppf> that's also not new
[19:22] <ioria> ppf, you can always purge and reinstall awesome.... what's your current version ?
[19:23] <ppf> ioria, lotus|NUC: fun fact, nautilus uses ambiance now
[19:23] <ppf> ioria: 4.2
[19:23] <ppf> same one as on bionic
[19:24] <ppf> well, 4.2-4 vs 4.2-5
[19:24] <lotus|NUC> !info awesome cosmic
[19:24] <ioria> nope
[19:24] <ioria> ppf, i think you have a slighly broken upgrade
[19:25] <ppf> ?
[19:25] <ppf> !info awesome bionic
[19:25] <ioria> *slightly
[19:25] <ppf> i'm saying it upgraded from 4.2-4 to 4.2-5
[19:25] <ioria> ppf, ah,ok so you have 4.2-5 ?
[19:26] <ppf> ya
[19:26] <lotus|NUC> think that system scrambled at some point
[19:27] <ioria> ppf, and the only app affected is gnome-terminal ?
[19:27] <ppf> looks like
[19:27] <ioria> ppf, purge and reinstall ?
[19:27] <ppf> gnome-terminal?
[19:27] <ioria> ya
[19:29] <ppf> huh
[19:29] <ppf> :/
[19:29] <ppf> that worked
[19:30] <lotus|NUC> !cookie | ioria
[19:30] <ioria> lotus|NUC, tx
[19:30] <lotus|NUC> when all hope is lost, ioria to the rescue
[19:30] <ioria> lol
[19:30] <lotus|NUC> hehe
[19:31] <ppf> somewhat embarassing :)
[19:32] <lotus|NUC> moral of the story?
[19:32] <ppf> pick a different profession :D
[19:32] <lotus|NUC> lol
[19:32] <ppf> i should become a baker or so
[19:35] <ioria> personally, i think bakers are more important than bankers, but it's on me
[19:35] <ppf> yeah that wasn't a typo :D
[19:36] <ioria> lol
[20:07] <tonyt> its is grill time again https://i.imgur.com/FfWr2Vs.jpg
[20:13] <UserInterface> anyway to connect to a local ubuntu computer when i haven't installed anything yet? I put teamviewer on it but for some reason its not accepting my password,
[20:14] <UserInterface> Not sure if it has something baked in that i can use locally
[20:14] <om26er> !Hi
[20:22] <smallfoot-> Does Ubuntu 18.04 default to X.Org or Wayland?
[20:22] <OerHeks> both sessions are installed, iirc, but xorg is default
[20:22] <smallfoot-> I see
[20:23] <smallfoot-> Firefox does not natively work on Wayland yet (works via Xwayland)
[20:23] <smallfoot-> Does Chrome 70 work natively on Wayland yet?
[20:24] <nacc_> smallfoot-: those are both questions for those communities
[20:24] <smallfoot-> no because it depends on how it is compiled
[20:24] <smallfoot-> example Firefox works natively on Wayland on Fedora, but not Ubuntu
[20:25] <nacc_> smallfoot-: chrome is not an ubuntu package.
[20:25] <smallfoot-> its packaged in Ubuntu repository
[20:25] <nacc_> smallfoot-: no it is not.
[20:25] <nacc_> smallfoot-: also, firefox upstream does not indicate they have wayland support natively: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635134
[20:26] <smallfoot-> well im running ubuntu, and i installed chrome from ubuntu software store
[20:26] <nacc_> smallfoot-: do you mean chromium?
[20:26] <smallfoot-> nacc_, yes
[20:26] <nacc_> smallfoot-: ok, that's *not* chrome.
[20:26] <smallfoot-> well, i meant chromium
[20:27] <nacc_> smallfoot-: well, you said chrome, twice.
[20:27] <nacc_> smallfoot-: i'd ask the chromium developers
[20:28] <OerHeks> there is a project, ozone, to get it running https://github.com/intel/ozone-wayland
[20:28] <nacc_> smallfoot-: if you are asking if chromium as pacakged in ubuntu supports wayland native, the answer is no. If you are asking if upstream has support, you need to ask upstream.
[20:31] <smallfoot-> nacc_, i was asking for how its packaged in ubuntu
[20:31] <smallfoot-> I guess I should stick with Wayland
[20:31] <smallfoot-> for another 6 months
[20:36] <kkss> hello
[20:42] <kruug> Why does ffmpeg not have an installation candidate in 18.04?
[20:42] <TJ-> kruug: have you enabled the 'universe' component ?
[20:42] <TJ-> !info ffmpeg bionic
[20:43] <kruug> Probably not.  Just booted into a live system
[20:44] <kruug> well, that's dumb...
[20:44] <kruug> Thanks.  Got it.
[20:58] <Viking667> 'llo all. I'm having an "interesting" time trying to upgrade from 18.04 to 18.10. debtags keeps coughing up: unrecognized arguments: "--local"
[20:59] <Khaotic> any idea why bluetooth adapter doesnt work?
[20:59] <TJ-> Khaotic: disabled? no driver?
[20:59] <Viking667> Any idea what's causing that? In addition, I'm being told (while doing do-release-upgrade) "While scanning your repository information no entry about bionic could be found. An upgrade migth not succeed. Proceed anyway?"
[20:59] <Khaotic> says no driver
[21:00] <Khaotic> same issue was was saying before
[21:00] <Khaotic> having*
[21:00] <Khaotic> dont get the bluetooth widget in the systray
[21:00] <Khaotic> and when i go to bt in the seeings, says no adapter
[21:00] <TJ-> Viking667: has d-r-u failed but already changes /etc/apt/sources.list to use "cosmic" codename?
[21:01] <Viking667> That's possible. Should I revert all cosmic back to bionic if I find them?
[21:01] <TJ-> Khaotic: what does "ls -l /sys/class/bluetooth/" report?
[21:02] <TJ-> Viking667: it's a bit iffy, because it isn't clear where it had got stuck. I'd want to identify the root cause the current error message you're seeing first
[21:02] <Khaotic> ls: cannot access '/sys/class/bluetooth/': No such file or directory
[21:03] <Viking667> TJ-: yeah, I was rather wondering. No cosmic found in sources.list as the upgrade script reverted on my sayso.
[21:03] <Viking667> but I don't understand where this error from debtags is coming from.
[21:04] <Viking667> It's valid, but what's providing it? Is it the upgrade script that's weirded out?
[21:05] <TJ-> Viking667: I don't know of any use in Ubuntu of debtags, is this really Ubuntu (not Mint or Kali or something) ?
[21:05] <system16> [17155.592197] end_request: critical target error, dev sdb, sector 0
[21:05] <system16> [17155.596455] Buffer I/O error on device sdb, logical block 0
[21:05] <system16> bad news right ?
[21:05] <Viking667> It's really Ubuntu.
[21:06] <TJ-> Viking667: --local wwas removed from debtags v2.0 so anything still using it is going to fail. I've never noticeed any of the upgrade code using it
[21:06] <Viking667> oh, and the debtags seems to happen directly after the cosmic release packages get downloaded. (i.e. the list of available programs)
[21:07] <Viking667> (debtags 2.1.5 here)
[21:08] <TJ-> Viking667: the only packages that depend on debtags that might be responsible for it being installed and used is aptitude. See "apt-cache rdepends debtags"
[21:09] <TJ-> Khaotic: so there is no bluetooth devices at all
[21:09] <TJ-> Khaotic: I'd check the kernel log ("dmesg") for clues
[21:09] <Viking667> Yup. I have aptitude installed in the system. Would do-release-upgrade bother using that if I was running it inside of a screen session?
[21:10] <Bashing-om> system16: Maybe yes, maybe not Yes - I had a similar " block 0 " issue this AM .. cleaning the contacts on both the power and data cables to the drive resolved for me . Fsck for cheap insurance .
[21:11] <system16> fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdb: Input/output error
[21:11] <Viking667> ouch.
[21:11] <system16> can t partition it
[21:11] <system16> fsck.ext2: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/sdb
[21:11] <system16> Could this be a zero-length partition?
[21:11] <system16> what does this mean
[21:12] <Viking667> tried powering down and up?
[21:12] <system16> (fsck /dev/sdb
[21:12] <system16> )
[21:12] <Viking667> And, do you have access to the inside of the system?
[21:12] <system16> restart ?
[21:12] <system16> its anetbook
[21:12] <system16> and this drive is a external drive
[21:12] <Khaotic> TJ-, remember i had this issue before
[21:12] <Khaotic> claims not bluetooth devices
[21:12] <Viking667> hm, so that won't work then. I was hoping you ... hang on, external?
[21:12] <Viking667> Does the drive spin up?
[21:12] <system16> yes
[21:12] <Viking667> So you can hear it spinning?
[21:12] <system16> it shows up on windows
[21:13] <system16> yes
[21:13] <TJ-> Viking667: re aptitude - it isn't being used, but I'd bet debtags being installed has an apt hook in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
[21:13] <Viking667> hm.
[21:13] <system16> formatted as exfat
[21:13] <TJ-> Khaotic: sorry I don't remember - I deal with so many issues they're soon forgotten
[21:13] <Viking667> system16: and Windows reads the drive fine?
[21:13] <system16> yes
[21:13] <system16> but
[21:14] <Khaotic> you told me to do this
[21:14] <Khaotic> cpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015"
[21:14] <system16> crystal disk info says cation
[21:14] <system16> :
[21:14] <Viking667> hm. Unplug and replug the drive then? Or had you already done that?
[21:14] <system16> current pending sector count
[21:14] <Khaotic> anyways, what do i look for in dmesg?
[21:15] <system16> is high
[21:15] <TJ-> Khaotic: oh right, an ACPI workaround.
[21:15] <Viking667> hm. I don't know what that means.
[21:15] <TJ-> Khaotic: OK, I'm getting a feeling for what you've been dealing with now :)
[21:16] <TJ-> Khaotic: is this a cold boot with the BT device missing, or is it after a suspend/resume?
[21:16] <Viking667> system16: the external drive, does it have a _separate_ cable?
[21:16] <Viking667> (i.e. can you pull the cable from the drive?
[21:16] <Khaotic> cold
[21:16] <system16> yes
[21:16] <Khaotic> brb
[21:16] <TJ-> Khaotic: right. let me see the kernel log: "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[21:16] <Viking667> Good. Pull it, push it back in at BOTH ends. Then resee if it coughs up any more errors in dmesg
[21:17] <system16> u mean unplug and replug ?
[21:17] <Viking667> yes.
[21:17] <system16> ok
[21:17] <Viking667> on BOTH ends of that cable.
[21:18] <system16> oh
[21:18] <system16> ok
[21:18] <Viking667> that's why I asked if you could unplug the drive end of the cable.
[21:18] <system16> [18798.162104] end_request: critical target error, dev sdb, sector 0
[21:18] <system16> [18798.166361] Buffer I/O error on device sdb, logical block 0
[21:19] <system16> i guess this is new
[21:19] <Viking667> hrm. looks like it.
[21:19] <system16> Failed to get diagnostic page 0xffffffea
[21:19] <system16> that is new
[21:19] <Viking667> I'd say you're up for a new drive then, if not a interface.
[21:19] <system16> [18797.809440] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] No Caching mode page found
[21:19] <system16> [18797.813231] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[21:20] <system16> man
[21:20] <Viking667> It's _possible_ that the external drive "enclosure" is at fault.
[21:20] <system16> i only used it for 72 hours
[21:20] <Viking667> but it's more likely that the drive is not healthy. How new is the drive?
[21:20] <system16> 2 yrs old
[21:20] <system16> all of this happend
[21:20] <Viking667> hm, so outside of warrantee then?
[21:20] <system16> when
[21:21] <system16> my power went out while copying
[21:21] <system16> yes
[21:21] <system16> but i dont expect a drive to DIE from this
[21:21] <system16> many of my other drives still work after that incident
[21:22] <system16> :(
[21:22] <TJ-> system16: is this a USB<>SATA enclosure, or eSATA ?
[21:22] <system16> usb 3
[21:23] <system16> do you think that an expert in drives can repair it and make it usable ?
[21:24] <system16> or its beyond repair ?
[21:25] <Viking667> That's hard to say. You're going to be out quite a bit of money if you go the professional repair route.
[21:25] <TJ-> system16: I'd suspect the USB <> SATA bridge chip has failed. I'd take the drive out the enclosure and connect it directly to a SATA board on a motherboard
[21:25] <Viking667> But you're more likely to have your data.
[21:25] <Viking667> And yes, I'd agree with TJ-, which is why I said earlier it's "possible" the enclosure died.
[21:25] <TJ-> system16:  typo... to a SATA /port/
[21:26] <TJ-> system16: do you have a system with eSATA (external SATA) and an eSATA > SATA cable?
[21:26] <system16> its easy to pop it out of enclosure
[21:26] <system16> esata ?
[21:26] <system16> my sisters laptop has one
[21:26] <Viking667> You could try that.
[21:26] <system16> i thought these use normal sata
[21:27] <Viking667> The drive probably does use normal sata. You probably need a desktop machine to plug it into, or a SATA<->eSATA converter.
[21:27] <Viking667> I'll be back later.
[21:27] <TJ-> eSATA is a slightly different connector
[21:27] <system16> i have a dextop
[21:27] <system16> (lol)
[21:27] <Khaotic> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NsGrw4dZxS/
[21:28] <system16> lets hope it has a sata connector
[21:28] <system16> thanks guys Viking667 and TJ- . i gotta go
[21:28] <system16> bye
[21:30] <TJ-> Khaotic: I'd guess the errors around line 852 are related "usb 1-7: Device not responding to setup address."
[21:30] <Khaotic> sounds familiar to last time
[21:30] <TJ-> Khaotic: looks like the device simply isn't working correctly, at the hardware level
[21:30] <Khaotic> WTF
[21:30] <Khaotic> so my mobo is damaged?
[21:30] <Khaotic> now i gotta buy another
[21:31] <Viking667> can't find another bt dongle?
[21:31] <TJ-> Khaotic: aha, looking at the motherboard name I recall a bit more about it now "ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING"
[21:31] <Khaotic> yup
[21:31] <TJ-> Khaotic: didn't we solve this by disconnecting and reconnecting the antennas?
[21:32] <Khaotic> i think i tried that
[21:32] <Khaotic> but yes
[21:32] <Khaotic> the first time we did
[21:32] <TJ-> Khaotic: aha. Yes, the weird one :)
[21:32] <Khaotic> well, i have the antennas disconnected now
[21:33] <TJ-> Khaotic: What I'd try is this: power off completely so it's not connected to any power, then press the power on button and you may see some LEDs light up briefly as it drains the capacitors, then disconnect the antennas, then reconnect power, boot and test if the BT device is seen. If it is, power off, reconnect antennas, restart, test
[21:34] <TJ-> Khaotic: that is in summary what we did last time
[21:34] <Khaotic> i did that already
[21:34] <Khaotic> just havent reconnected the antennas
[21:36] <sappheiros> Would someone please help? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1087249/how-do-i-install-the-japanese-keyboard-layout-in-lubuntu-18-10
[21:39] <TJ-> Khaotic: I recall last time I found several forums posts where the antennas seemed to cause the problem, so it sounds like a grounding issue
[21:39] <Khaotic> :(
[21:39] <Khaotic> so i just need to invest in a new mobo?
[21:40] <Viking667> TJ-: sorry about treading on your toes earlier (external enclosure)
[21:41] <Viking667> Actually, is that mobo ever grounded to the case through any of the standoffs?
[21:43] <TJ-> Viking667: I didn't realise you had!
[21:44] <TJ-> Khaotic: it seems that particular mobo has a design defect
[21:44] <saltybooze_> hi, I'm a newbie here, can anyone give me a hand with library path? :D
[21:44] <system16> Hi
[21:44] <system16> Iam system16
[21:44] <system16> I opened the drive
[21:45] <Viking667> mmm?
[21:45] <system16> I am shocked
[21:45] <Khaotic> where'd you see that
[21:45] <system16> The usb connector is soldered in the board
[21:45] <system16> No sata
[21:45] <system16> No esata
[21:45] <Viking667> *headdesk*
[21:45] <system16> Only some pins
[21:46] <Viking667> So you can't pull the drive out of the cradle?
[21:46] <system16> It is out
[21:46] <Viking667> Is it a normal IDE connector? (40/80 wire)?
[21:47] <system16> No it does not look like it
[21:47] <Viking667> Any way to take a photo and upload it to somewhere? (I use imgur.com)
[21:47] <system16> I can hear it clicking. And android cant reformat it
[21:47] <system16> Oh ok
[21:47] <Viking667> Take a picture (nice and clear please) of the back end of the drive.
[21:48] <TJ-> system16 Sounds like something like the Western Digital USB "PiDrive" - direct USB interface
[21:48] <Viking667> Uffff.....
[21:49] <TJ-> I guess with USB 3.0 the bandwidth is sufficient to not need SATA for some external devices?
[21:49] <system16> https://paste.pics/d65c10fe9c4cec7486c3fee3eaba78c3
[21:49] <Viking667> If I'd ever known that, I would never buy that particular drive.
[21:49] <Khaotic> TJ-, so i just need a new mobo?
[21:49] <TJ-> since USb is the limiting factor
[21:49] <Khaotic> or sue asus?
[21:49] <system16> See ?
[21:49] <system16> Shitty practice by WD
[21:49] <TJ-> Khaotic: Which is easiest!?
[21:49] <Viking667> Gimme a moment. I have to load up a browser.
[21:49] <Khaotic> TJ-, where'd you see there is a defect?
[21:50] <TJ-> system16: what's the model number, can you photograph the model label?
[21:50] <system16> Ok
[21:50] <TJ-> Khaotic: I think it was in the Asus ROG forums, but it was a long time ago. I think at the time I shared the link with you
[21:51] <balsaq> i noticed a bug in ubunti 18 04 01, when i open settings, and attempt to dim my laptops display screen, the slider does not work...it slides back and forth as if it will brighten or dim the display but the display never changes.
[21:51] <balsaq> very annoying...
[21:51] <system16> https://paste.pics/74d8ae05548d54ffb3748c2497b6fea5
[21:51] <TJ-> system16: is it my imagination or is there a SATA shaped port underneath the USB3 port?
[21:52] <system16> Your imagination
[21:52] <system16> :)
[21:53] <system16> A comment from system16 : dont buy cheap hdds
[21:53] <system16> Look at its enclosure... no protection at all!!!
[21:54] <saltybooze_> hi, can anyone give me a hand with an issue i'm having with steam? it's not pointing to the right folder for libs, how do I change the folder steam has to looked first for libs?
[21:54] <Viking667> Right. The only way I'm going to be able to trace where --local comes through is to have a blow-by-blow of how apt does a system upgrade. Does anyone know apt to this level of detail?
[21:55] <balsaq> what is the terminal command to report a bug
[21:55] <nacc_> !bug | balsaq
[21:55] <system16> Huh
[21:56] <system16> Made in 2014
[21:56] <Viking667> OH, so it's FOUR years old...
[21:56] <system16> I so it was sitting in a corner for 2 yrs
[21:56] <system16> No
[21:56] <Viking667> 2018 - 2014 = 4.
[21:56] <system16> It was probably stored in a ware housr
[21:56] <system16> E
[21:57] <system16> I bought it in 2016
[21:57] <Viking667> You've probably had it for two. But the date on it is four years.
[21:57] <system16> Yes
[21:57] <TJ-> balsaq: most backlight control issues are due to the system having an ACPI or platform-specific control method that the kernel isn't informed of
[21:57] <balsaq> the terminal command failed
[21:57] <Viking667> balsaq: how did it fail?
[21:57] <system16> Anyway i think its done
[21:57] <balsaq> how do i remedy this problem tj
[21:58] <system16> Only ran for 72 hours...
[21:58] <balsaq> this laptop is a simple intel design and in mint condition
[21:58] <system16> Im switching to Ssds
[21:59] <Viking667> system16: just be aware that you'll possibly have other issues with ssd when it starts losing sectors big time.
[21:59] <nacc_> balsaq: intel doesn't make laptops.
[21:59] <system16> Do you think its worth repairing ?
[21:59] <Viking667> I don't currently trust ssd even today
[21:59] <balsaq> i just made a mistake and made my curser to wide how to a go back hehe?
[21:59] <nacc_> balsaq: and the condition of it has nothing to do with ACPI or firwmare.
[21:59] <balsaq> the dimmer should work on mylaptop
[21:59] <TJ-> balsaq: can you control the backlight manually via the sysfs? as in, "ls -l /sys/class/backlight/*/" - are there more than one backlight controller and if so can you change the brightness by doing something like "echo 20 | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/<controller-driver>/brightness" ?
[22:00] <Viking667> system16: as I said before, if you want the data recovered (though 72 hours of use) I wouldn't bother unless you really need that data and don't have a backup.
[22:00] <system16> Viking667 ssd is still more reliable than hdds
[22:00] <Viking667> uhm, that depends.
[22:00] <balsaq> how do i get my cursor back to normal size
[22:00] <saltybooze_> i would put my vote on ssds there (sorry for barging in the chat)
[22:00] <system16> Viking667 i have backup. I just wanted to see if i can make it work again and use it as a normal drive
[22:00] <Viking667> barge away. SSDs have definitely improved - let's face it, they had to. I still wouldn't currently trust one as my main drive.
[22:00] <saltybooze_> balsaq: you can change your cursor size on the settings (top-right) on ubuntu
[22:01] <Viking667> system16: I'd say then cut your losses, go get another drive (non-WD this time)
[22:01] <system16> I have an idea.
[22:01] <system16> Let me distroy it
[22:01] <system16> With a sledge hammer
[22:01] <Viking667> lol.
[22:01] <system16> BOI
[22:02] <saltybooze_> WD is actually a decent brand, cept when they screw it really bad. it seems you got the lottery ticket for screwed up stuff this time
[22:02] <TJ-> balsaq: "for n in /sys/class/backlight/*/*; do [ -f ] && echo $n=$(cat $n); done" will show the current settings (max_brightness is an important value to know when controlling it manually)
[22:02] <Viking667> Right. I'll have to go bang on this problem for a while.
[22:02] <system16> ok. Thanks
[22:02] <system16> Its 2 am i really need to go
[22:02] <saltybooze_> anyone know how to force steam to check the game's directory for libs instead of usr/lib?
[22:02] <TJ-> I've got a WD PiDrive (314GB) attached to a RasPi, and the only problem with it is the ultra-bright white LED that you cannot turn off!
[22:03] <saltybooze_> nothing a black tape on top of it cant fix TJ :P
[22:03] <TJ-> saltybooze_: tried that - melted the adhesive!
[22:03] <system16> Bye all
[22:03] <saltybooze_> WOW! thats some really strong light then :OOO
[22:03] <saltybooze_> bye system
[22:04] <saltybooze_> does it get hot, TJ?
[22:04] <TJ-> saltybooze_: yeah, it's a source of many complaints and grumbles especially as these things are generally set up as headless type 'servers'
[22:04] <saltybooze_> IC, I do get the frustration
[22:05] <balsaq> i cannot find the cursur in my settings
[22:05] <TJ-> saltybooze_: It's hard to check since it's recessed and in a weird holder/case
[22:05] <saltybooze_> which flavor of ubuntu you're running balsaq?
[22:05] <fassl> saltybooze_, can you do it by starting steam with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=path steam ?
[22:06] <balsaq> just normal one 18 04 01 just as it come standard
[22:06] <balsaq> desktop
[22:06] <saltybooze_> fassl, oh I'm actually quite the noob... do you mind giving me a step by step on that?
[22:06] <V7> Does Steam Proton run any game?
[22:06] <balsaq> i was only using my keyboard and now thw cyrsur is huge
[22:06] <saltybooze_> just recently changed to ubuntu (last few days)
[22:06] <balsaq> im going toi have to uninstaqll this
[22:07] <fassl> with that variable you can set the directory where libs are searched first for a given executable, but i guess it would just set the lib path for steam itself and not the games it starts
[22:07] <saltybooze_> balsaq the way to fix it is settings > universal access > cursor size
[22:07] <Viking667> v7: yes, certainly the ones on the gold list that steam provides.
[22:08] <saltybooze_> i just run the steam on the terminal and put LD_LIBRARY_PATH=path before it?
[22:08] <Viking667> I haven't had a lot of luck running other games under Proton (yet)
[22:08] <saltybooze_> would be something like LD_LIBRARY_PATH=path ./steam ?
[22:08] <fassl> yah
[22:08] <nacc_> saltybooze_: tbc, wih an actual path for 'path' of course
[22:09] <balsaq> no its the curser that is blinkiong nwhere i trye onot the hexchat
[22:09] <saltybooze_> thanks fassl, ill give it a go. can it be used to any game you try to open or be put inside steam's launch options?
[22:09] <fassl> to any dynamic executable
[22:09] <Viking667> saltybooze_: you may need to add it to steam as a non-steam game if it's not in your library.
[22:09] <saltybooze_> thanks fellow human! you're a life savior!
[22:09] <saltybooze_> lemme test this real quick
[22:09] <fassl> if it does not work for stuff you start out of steam, you might just create a wrapper bash script which does that for you
[22:10] <saltybooze_> "wrapper bash script" now this is something i have no idea what it is :P
[22:10] <Viking667> it's a "bash script" that you use to start another program. You can write bash scripts in a text editor, and bash scripting language is a fun language to learn.
[22:11] <Viking667> I'd also recommend http://wiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ
[22:11] <saltybooze_> ill have to take a look on the weekend, with a bit more free time
[22:12] <saltybooze_> lemme save that link here somewhere
[22:12] <saltybooze_> thank you, fellow humans! (hopefully you guys are humans :P everyone can be a cat in the internet)
[22:12] <Viking667> sorry,
[22:12] <Viking667> uhm, make that "mywiki" not "wiki"
[22:12] <saltybooze_> np
[22:12] <Viking667> ( http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ )
[22:13] <balsaq> the anser to fix my fat curser was to press the INSERT key
[22:13] <balsaq> it is fixed
[22:13] <Viking667> balsaq: glad to hear it.
[22:13] <saltybooze_> glad to hear its fixed balsaq
[22:13] <balsaq> but my screen dimmer doestn work i know my hardware works cuz it works in windows
[22:16] <wasanzy> my ubuntu server is hanged at "Stopping mount network filesystem"
[22:16] <wasanzy> this is happening whem I attempt rebooting the server
[22:16] <saltybooze_> blah, it's not working. maybe i'm just too noob to do this
[22:16] <balsaq> now maybe we can get my screen dimmer to work
[22:17] <balsaq> i know it works  cuz it works in windows
[22:17] <balsaq> thats mean a coder left it out
[22:17] <nacc_> balsaq: please stop spouting nonsense.
[22:18] <nacc_> balsaq: working in windows does not mean it necessarily will work in linux. as i said more than once, it's likely to be firmware
[22:18] <balsaq> i mean it the hardware works
[22:18] <balsaq> so im just asking for help tp get it going it so bright its killing my eyes
[22:19] <nacc_> balsaq: did you try what TJ- asked a while back?
[22:19] <wasanzy> any help?
[22:19] <nacc_> wasanzy: what version of ubuntu?
[22:19] <balsaq> no i got disconnected
[22:19] <wasanzy> 14.04
[22:19] <nacc_> balsaq: it was before you were disconnected, you commented after it
[22:19] <Viking667> TJ-/anyone: can you lot remember what the gtk front-end to do-release-upgrade is called?
[22:20] <balsaq> i lost the previous chats sorry
[22:20] <nacc_> TJ-: want to re-ask?
[22:20] <balsaq> tj can u repat the suggestion plz i got klined
[22:21] <TJ-> balsaq: can you control the backlight manually via the sysfs? as in, "ls -l /sys/class/backlight/*/" - are there more than one backlight controller and if so can you change the brightness by doing something like "echo 20 | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/<controller-driver>/brightness" ?
[22:21] <TJ-> balsaq: "for n in /sys/class/backlight/*/*; do [ -f ] && echo $n=$(cat $n); done" will show the current settings (max_brightness is an important value to know when controlling it manually)
[22:21] <balsaq> ok thanks but thats way over my hear
[22:21] <balsaq> head
[22:23] <Viking667> balsaq: do you have a terminal up?
[22:24] <Viking667> (i.e. a black window you can type commands into)
[22:24] <nacc_> balsaq: they are explicit commands, and you said before you were at a terminal.
[22:25] <nacc_> balsaq: what laptop model is this?
[22:31] <Viking667> hullo...... /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/80debtags:2>>APT::Update::Post-Invoke { "[ ! -x /usr/bin/debtags ] || debtags update --local || true"; };
[22:32] <Viking667> TJ-: I think I found the smoking gun.
[22:32] <Viking667> holy )*@$)%)$@% these files are old. 2013 for most of them.
[22:33] <Viking667> however, in saying that, most of them are actually present in the packages.
[22:34] <TJ-> Viking667: that apt conf will do it - nice find
[22:34] <TJ-> Viking667: you could just remove that file or put it aside
[22:34] <Viking667> yah.
[22:35] <TJ-> Viking667: how about "sudo dpkg-divert --divert /etc/apt/80debtags.divert --rename /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/80debtags" ?
[22:35] <Viking667> I could _perhaps_ also uninstall debtags and aptitude
[22:35] <saltybooze_> gosh, most of the times i feel like i dont know shit :P can't get that LD_LIBRARY_PATH to work
[22:35] <saltybooze_> i just want this game to find out that he has the files he needs to run all that time, inside his own directory
[22:35] <balsaq> wow even error reporting doesnt owrk i did it all and it said there was a prblem timeout
[22:36] <balsaq> hahahah
[22:36] <balsaq> just like old times
[22:36] <Viking667> mmm hmm.
[22:36] <balsaq> never changes really
[22:36] <Viking667> As you haven't given us exact error messages, that's a little hard to diagnose.
[22:36] <Viking667> saltybooze_: I'm guessing this is a Windows game, right?
[22:37] <saltybooze_> actually a unity game, and its "linux supported"
[22:37] <Viking667> lol.
[22:37] <balsaq> there is no message my dimmer wont work and i went to ubuntu bugs and reported it and them ubuntu bugs sais error timeout after all my work to file it
[22:37] <saltybooze_> cant get any word from the devs
[22:38] <saltybooze_> but it's kinda dumb.. i have no idea how to force the game to look for the files in its own directory before going for usr/lib. the libs are all there
[22:38] <wasanzy> anyone to help?
[22:38] <saltybooze_> and i have no clue how to use LD_LIBRARY_PATH to enforce it
[22:38] <wasanzy> the server iss till hanged
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[22:39] <wasanzy> sorry for postint that
[22:39] <Viking667> TJ-: yup, that did it.
[22:39] <nacc_> wasanzy: do you use networked filesystems?
[22:40] <nacc_> wasanzy: did this just happen for the first time today?
[22:40] <wasanzy> I have no idea, the server was setup by someone else before I came
[22:40] <nacc_> wasanzy: it's hard for us to speculatively debug it
[22:40] <wasanzy> my first time of rebooting it
[22:41] <nacc_> wasanzy: you might need to force reset the server, it's likely going to wait forever if there's an ordering problem with the filesystems and network (e.g., it's trying to unmount network filesystems, but the network has already been taken down)
[22:41] <nacc_> wasanzy: without accurate logs and such, it's hard to know for sure
[22:42] <wasanzy> how do I force reset it?
[22:42] <nacc_> !sysrq | wasanzy
[22:42] <nacc_> wasanzy: but that assumes you have physical access
[22:43] <nacc_> wasanzy: otherwise, you need serial console, etc.
[22:45] <wasanzy> Yes
[22:45] <wasanzy> I forcefully shut the server down when it was behaving like that, and still when I power it back
[22:46] <wasanzy> maybe I should boot to single mode and fix the network?
[22:46] <nacc_> wasanzy: still when you power it back what?
[22:48] <wasanzy> nacc: it hangs at the message I posted
[22:49] <nacc_> wasanzy: that's a message printed at shutdown not startup
[23:13] <wasanzy> nacc_: yes but it is showing up when I powered up the machine as well
[23:14] <wasanzy> could it be a bug?
[23:14] <wasanzy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1038283
[23:17] <tomreyn> wasanzy: this is from 2912, kind of old. which ubuntu version are you installing on what kind of hardware?
[23:18] <tomreyn> *2012 ;)
[23:18] <mpmc> tomreyn: No, you're just a time traveller.
[23:18] <saltybooze_> time travelling confirmed
[23:19] <tomreyn> or are you actually installing? i think you said you're just shutting it down, so maybe the system is already installed and booting off disk?
[23:19] <tomreyn> at least irc survived
[23:22] <wasanzy> tomreyn: v 14.04. is a running system and I attempted to reboot
[23:24] <tomreyn> wasanzy: okay, that's a bit old then, not 2012 but 2014. are you able to bring it up again fully? od you know / can you find out whether it is fully patched?
[23:24] <tomreyn> hwich hardware is this, or which architecture? is it likely that it actually does network mounts?
[23:25] <balsaq> the command dont work to make the screen dimmer work
[23:25] <balsaq> they just left it out
[23:27] <wasanzy> this is Dell PowerEdge, 64bit, it is still not booting
[23:29] <tomreyn> wasanzy: okay so *some* dell poweredge model. that's good enough for now. it probably provides idrac out of band management then.
[23:29] <tomreyn> which wont help you boot it, so maybe boot into recovery for now.
[23:30] <wasanzy> single user mode?
[23:30] <tomreyn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1118447 is another, also old, bug report on the same thing, this time also discussing 14.04 (in comment #31)
[23:31] <tomreyn> https://serverfault.com/questions/925879/boot-hangs-at-stopping-mount-network-filesystems suggests it may still boot fine after reaching a timeout.
[23:32] <saltybooze_> well guys, appreciate your presence, but ill be heading to bed
[23:32] <saltybooze_> you all have a nice evening!
[23:33] <tomreyn> !recovery | wasanzy
[23:33] <tomreyn> so this is effectively single user mode, yes, with a menu to choose some options from.
[23:36] <wasanzy> ok
[23:38] <tomreyn> wasanzy: if you'd like more support from this end please let me know when you got a shell, and whether it's after the system booted up after reaching a timeout waiting for network storage, or whether it's after booting into recovery.
[23:39] <tomreyn> (i would not wait more than 3 to 5 minutes)
[23:43] <wasanzy> I have gotten a shell now, tomreyn
[23:44] <wasanzy> sorry I went to the server room
[23:44] <wasanzy> I booted into recovery mode
[23:45] <tomreyn> wasanzy: it's good to know you can do this (walk into server room) as a last resort.
[23:45] <tomreyn> did you start network before you dropped to the shell?
[23:45] <wasanzy> no
[23:45] <tomreyn> i assume it would have put you into the same situation as before if you had
[23:46] <wasanzy> maybe
[23:46] <tomreyn> can you tell what "lsb_release -ds" and "uname -r" report?
[23:46] <wasanzy> ok
[23:47] <wasanzy> a minute, going to server room
[23:47] <tomreyn> are you able to copy + paste from the shell to the irc session?
[23:47] <wasanzy> no
[23:47] <tomreyn> ok so no OOB access i guess
[23:48] <tomreyn> hope you got earplugs.
[23:48] <wasanzy> I will have to write
[23:48] <wasanzy> there is not too many servers
[23:49] <tomreyn> once you reported the output of "lsb_release -ds" and "uname -r" i suggest we try to get it on the network so you can work from outside the server room. are you into setting up the network manually?
[23:53] <wasanzy> Ubuntu 14.04.5 TLS
[23:53] <wasanzy> 3.19.0-25-generic
[23:54] <wasanzy> yes maual network setup
[23:54] <Viking667> heh. Nearly as old as the 3.2.0 kernel I've got.
[23:54] <tomreyn> hmm that's a non standard kernel version, or a very outdated one
[23:54] <Viking667> (debian)
[23:54] <Viking667> ANd the laptop dates from 2000
[23:55] <tomreyn> wasanzy: so can you try setting up networking and seee if you can access it remotely (and also reach the web from it)?
[23:56] <wasanzy> ok
[23:56] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html.en#ip-addressing -> "Temporary IP Address Assignment" discusses the process
[23:56] <tomreyn> unless you use dhcp