[01:26] <WildSoft> Hello, I'm in the process of upgrading Lubuntu from 18.04 to 18.10 via "Distribution Upgrade" and I got an Unnamed Window asking me what I want as the default display manager. I have no clue what I've used before, which one do you recommend? lightdm or sddm?
 sddm. Did you read the release notes, though? The upgrade path doesn't work that well, since Lubuntu changes desktop environments between 18.04 and 18.10.
[01:33] <WildSoft> I didn't read them properly I have to admit
[01:34] <WildSoft> Does upgrading pose a problem?
[01:35] <WildSoft> ah, I see now
[01:36] <WildSoft> better to do a clean install
 Well, read the manual chapter on upgrading. But the short version is "yes.". It's not recommended. ... https://manual.lubuntu.me/D/upgrading.html
 But hey, maybe it ends up working! Clean installs have their issues as well with this release.
 (mostly related to UEFI+encryption)
[02:00] <WildSoft> Thanks for the info =)
[02:35] <sappheiros> glad i chose not to encrypt ...
[02:56] <sappheiros> https://askubuntu.com/a/890747/761477
[02:56] <sappheiros> does 18.10 have a 'language support' section?
[02:57] <sappheiros> I recall 18.04 had a Region & Language GUI, but i don't see that in 18.10
[03:23] <lynorian> sappheiros: locale is what I think you look for
[03:23] <sappheiros> i think i've made some progress at https://askubuntu.com/questions/1087249/how-do-i-install-the-japanese-keyboard-layout-in-lubuntu-18-10
[03:24] <sappheiros> i realized apt list does not imply the listed packages are installed
[03:24] <sappheiros> is it okay for me to uninstall ibus in order to use mozc?
[03:24] <sappheiros> or should i leave ibus alone?
[03:24] <lynorian> I think so
[03:26] <sappheiros> is there no 'SI units' option for 'Measurement Units' in LXQt Locale Configuration?
 managed to install amd driversbon 18.10 but i cant with nvidia...any idea
 ?
 @bonacin91 [managed to install amd drivers on 18.10 but i cant with nvidia...any idea], 'sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall' should work. Re: AMD drivers, the open source drivers are recommended these days and don't need to be installed.
 @marneu ['sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall' should work. Re: AMD drivers, the open source …], ty
[12:30] <john_rambo> I am having trouble updating 18.04 >>> https://paste2.org/EEnm08Ve ....What's the solution ?
[13:22] <sappheiros> Is there no keyboard shortcut to position windows split screen?
[13:22] <sappheiros> in 18.04 it was super+left/right
 There is, but the super shortcut for the main menu kinda broke it. They're working on it.
[13:30] <sappheiros> ;_;
 Yeah, Lubuntu with LXQt is certainly a work in process.
[13:55] <sappheiros> are you French?
 German.
 y?
[14:04] <sappheiros> 'cause we usually say 'work in progress' >_>
 I do, too. Don't where "work in process" came from, lol.
 I didn't even catch that, hehe
 also, *Don't know
 geez
 just means you all need more coffee ;)  *hides*
 I'm already 2 strong coffees in, I don't think more would help much :D
 they're not strong enough then :P
[16:40] <sappheiros> unity is ubuntu's display manager, not used by lubuntu, right?
[16:40] <sappheiros> lubuntu uses compiz instead?
[16:40]  * sappheiros is reading https://askubuntu.com/questions/253818/manually-turn-off-monitor
[16:43] <sappheiros> maybe https://askubuntu.com/questions/398059/is-there-any-way-to-make-a-hotkey-turn-the-screen-off is better
[16:47] <sappheiros> sweet. my solution: go into screensaver, set to blank screen, then use default ctrl+alt+l to lock screen ... but maybe i don't want to type my password every time i want to turn off the monitor ...
[16:59] <sappheiros> qpdfview blanks the screen when clicking out of a note annotation
[17:03] <sappheiros> why .me extention for lubuntu.me website?
[17:05] <sappheiros> augh https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/QATracker is too involved i just want to report a bug >_>
[17:06] <sappheiros> https://lubuntu.me/test-cosmic-rcs/ is old news anyway, right? i mean, too late to do stuff with this iso, right?
[17:08] <sappheiros> Do I report a bug at https://phab.lubuntu.me/ ?
[17:09] <sappheiros> https://manual.lubuntu.me/ does not clearly say how to report bugs
[17:11] <sappheiros> found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu ...
[17:11] <sappheiros> isn't it better to focus on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu rather than create a manual?
[17:11] <sappheiros> i think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu is a more natural information deposit -- the only reason i can think of for developing a manual at lubuntu.me instead is if you're working to become separate from ubuntu
[17:13] <sappheiros> moreover, it's inconsistent to link to this wiki at https://lubuntu.me/links/ only to put a notice at the top that the viewer should go to lubuntu.me
[17:14] <sappheiros> if up-to-date information is rather to be found at lubuntu.me, then the link to the wiki at https://lubuntu.me/links/ should at least have a disclaimer that it's outdated -- but then one wonders why link it at all
[17:16] <sappheiros> from that wiki i finally found https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/testing/ (i couldn't find this on the site directly)
[17:16] <wxl> sappheiros: did you look at the release notes, for example?
[17:17] <sappheiros> i did, i think cursorily while trying to find system specifications (that someone at askubuntu said existed there, though i didn't find it)
[17:17] <sappheiros> last week it feels like
[17:17] <sappheiros> why?
[17:18] <wxl> Another great method to get involved is bug reporting. If you notice an issue please file a bug using the instructions on the Lubuntu Wiki.
[17:18] <wxl> Don’t want to file a bug? Let us know what the problem is (in detail, enough that we can reproduce it) and we can assist you in filing one or do it ourselves.
[17:18] <wxl> ^^ direct quotes from it
[17:19] <sappheiros> that's problematic, given someone put a "more up to date info is found at lubuntu.me" on said wiki ...
[17:19] <sappheiros> i guess i should edit the wiki then
[17:19] <sappheiros> ... but i didn't see instructions on that wiki, just a link to ^
[17:20] <wxl> on what wiki where? there are multiples
[17:20] <sappheiros> now i'm linked to https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa .... and i *still* have not found clear instruction on how to report a bug! >_<
[17:21] <wxl> the link goes here: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/
[17:21] <sappheiros> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs
[17:21] <sappheiros> it does not explain what to do; it only redirects to https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/testing/ which likewise fails to explain how to report a bug
[17:22] <sappheiros> it only discusses testing ISO and daily builds prior to their official release
[17:22] <wxl> did you READ it or did you just skim around?
[17:22] <sappheiros> i read it
[17:22] <wxl> How to report bugs
[17:22] <wxl> The best way to report a bug is to simply open a terminal and run:
[17:22] <wxl> ubuntu-bug name_of_the_affected_package
[17:22] <wxl> again, exact quote
[17:22] <sappheiros> ...
[17:22] <sappheiros> wa
[17:22] <sappheiros> ... ??? where is ... what ...
[17:22] <wxl> on the page linked from the release notes
[17:22] <wxl> 1021 < wxl:#lubuntu> the link goes here: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/
[17:22] <sappheiros> so you're not looking at either of the two pages i linked?
[17:23] <wxl> no because they're not on the release notes
[17:23] <sappheiros> lol
[17:23] <sappheiros> well those are the pages i found when doing simple internet searches, not the release notes ...
[17:23] <wxl> never trust the internet
[17:24] <wxl> even the general help works https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[17:24] <sappheiros> new users don't know that the release notes hold priority over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu and, i think given the mainstream understanding of wikipedia, they should not
[17:24] <wxl> the release notes ALWAYS HOLD PRIORITY OVER EVERYTHING
[17:24] <sappheiros> you should expect users to be looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu not the release notes, wherever those are ...
[17:24] <sappheiros> oh really?
[17:25] <wxl> if you don't read the release notes, you don't know about known issues or caveats or anything
[17:25] <wxl> you're just blindly jumping into something
[17:25] <sappheiros> i did skim through the release notes ... but i think reporting bugs should be clearly described at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu as well
[17:26] <sappheiros> hence i went down the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Contribute_to_Lubuntu rabbit hole
[17:26] <wxl> we pretty much dno't even bother much with that wiki anymore
[17:26] <sappheiros> which doesn't explain how
[17:26] <wxl> the ubuntu wiki is..... a disaster
[17:26] <wxl> it works maybe 50% of the time
[17:26] <sappheiros> what went wrong with it?
[17:26] <wxl> this has been a long, ongoing issue, which has caused many flavors to migrate off of it. we're not the only one.
[17:26] <sappheiros> lubuntu.net = lubuntu.me ?
[17:27] <wxl> no
[17:27] <wxl> which is why you don't see it mentioned anywhere
[17:27] <wxl> except on lubuntu.net
[17:27] <sappheiros> duckduckgo 'lubuntu release notes' puts lubuntu.net as top result
[17:27] <wxl> blame duckduckgo
[17:28] <sappheiros> augh now i'm trying to find the release notes on your lubuntu.me site having yet more ... >_<
[17:28] <sappheiros> not at https://lubuntu.me/blog/ not at https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ though that links to https://lubuntu.me/cosmic-released/ ...
 Lubuntu.net is in no way official and isn't in our control.
 It's a fan site at best.
[17:29] <wxl> it's not at downloads???
[17:29] <sappheiros> > Another great method to get involved is bug reporting. If you notice an issue please file a bug using the instructions on the Lubuntu Wiki. -- https://lubuntu.me/cosmic-released/
[17:29] <wxl> 	
[17:29] <wxl> Latest version (with LXQt) 18.10
[17:29] <wxl> It is important to read the release announcement before downloading.
[17:29] <wxl> again exact quotes here
[17:29] <sappheiros> yeah, i'm looking at that now
[17:29] <sappheiros> and i just quoted it to you
[17:29] <sappheiros> it says to go to the Lubuntu Wiki to learn how to file bugs!!!
[17:29] <sappheiros> a broken loop
[17:29] <wxl> it says to go to the lubuntu wiki at phab.lubuntu.me not wiki.ubuntu.com
[17:29] <sappheiros> oh.
[17:29] <wxl> you're only reading a part of anything you're looking at, whcih is a problem we can't fix
[17:30] <sappheiros> indeed, the link differs.
[17:30] <sappheiros> then please ask ubuntu to take down the wiki on their site >_>
[17:30] <sappheiros> or redircet it to yours
[17:30] <wxl> for now it's got some old info that's useful, but eventually it will disappear
[17:30] <sappheiros> finally, the holy grail https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/ ... only took me like ten minutse to find >_<
[17:30] <wxl> although there are discussions to reform the ubuntu wiki so maybe we won't
[17:30] <wxl> i mean i linked it to you 10 minutes ago, so maybe not
[17:30] <sappheiros> lol did you?
[17:30] <wxl> several times
[17:31] <sappheiros> you did
[17:31] <wxl> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're only reading a part of anything you're looking at, whcih is a problem we can't fix <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
[17:31] <sappheiros> man wtf i should go eat something
[17:31] <wxl> maybe a LOT of something
[17:31] <sappheiros> lol, well, i was trying to communicate the problems with the current pages i was seeing so that someone here might fix or take them down ... ...
[17:32] <wxl> there aren't problems when you don't read carefully.
[17:32] <sappheiros> cheers
[17:32] <sappheiros> now that's not fair to me :/
[17:32] <wxl> it's not?
[17:32] <wxl> what's the point of writing if we are ignored?
[17:33] <sappheiros> yeah, you're not seriously considering what i've said, e.g. how https://lubuntu.me/links/ points to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu as the wiki
[17:33] <sappheiros> not the lubuntu.me wiki
[17:33] <sappheiros> i.e. you ignored what i said there for example
[17:34] <wxl> it says "Read the introductory Wiki page and general help"
[17:34] <wxl> it doesn't say "everything here is valid"
[17:35] <sappheiros> would be good to point to both wiki there i think
[17:35] <wxl> no
[17:35] <wxl> one of them is essentially an unmaintained, deprecated resource
[17:35] <sappheiros> and that's the only one you link to there
[17:36] <sappheiros> in that particular area
[17:36] <wxl> i see many other links there.........
[18:24] <sappheiros> why is the crash intercept component disabled by default? ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport/#How_to_enable_apport )
[18:37] <sappheiros> Discover basically doesn't work on my Dell Latitude D620. :( It's slow to the point that it's nonresponsive.
 sappheiros: Probably has something to do with the problem that Crash bugs tend to have private information attached when you submit them automatically, and triaging that data out of the bug is nontrivial (and crash bugs are filed by default as 'Private' bugs).
 also probably has to do with the time it takes some systems to 'read' the crash data and then create the submittable report.
[18:57] <sappheiros> teward: @teward001 it's not clear how commenting out 'problem_types': ['Bug', 'Package'], changes that
 because crash bugs are problem_type == "Crash"
 and if you don't define the specific problem_types to autodetect and autocatch, it'll assume "Capture on All Types"
 s/Capture on/Act on/
[19:06] <sappheiros> okay, thank you
[20:46] <jius> knock knock.. any one home?
[21:22] <wxl> no.
[23:33] <Kamilion> Just tried to install cosmic from the ISO copied to my USB stick; the installer failed while trying to unpack the squashfs
[23:34] <wxl> do you have the same problem if you don't use the USB, e.g. in a virtual machine?