[00:00] <runc1t3r> and the shell script (i.e. the launcher) requires to be administrator to be execute
[00:00] <runc1t3r> executed*
[00:03] <blackflow> runc1t3r: that's wrong on so many levels.
[00:04] <blackflow> but if you want to shoot yourself in the foot (and remember, you break it, you keep all the pieces), try with sudo from teh command line. if that doesn't work, try writing a policy for it and run with pkexec. if that doesn't work, set root password, login as root, and enjoy foot shootage.
[00:04] <blackflow> *a polkit policy
[00:07] <runc1t3r> blackflow, thx I'll try the policy way
[00:26] <Lantizia> dash is very proud of it's saint helena heritage :)
[00:26]  * Lantizia isn't crazy
[00:27] <Lantizia> have a look in your system monitor program for any 'sh' processes - look at the icon :)
[00:57] <axisys> I placed all the route commands in a separate file in interfaces.d/routes and then interfaces file I source interfaces.d/routes .. but the routes did not come up. what am I doing wrong?
[00:57] <axisys> when those commands were in interfaces file it did come up fine.. so route commands do work
[00:57] <axisys> seems like it did not get sourced at reboot?
[01:24] <dos000> I am running ubuntu bionic (18.04). just came to know that gnome-terminal runs under one process (via  /usr/lib/gnome-terminal/gnome-terminal-server in bionic) .. Anyone can help me figure how i can force the terminal to run a separate process ?
[02:08] <lazerlemon> I need some fucker to automate shit using batch scripting
[02:08] <lazerlemon> ##windows are too chicken shit and nooby
[02:08] <lazerlemon> yeah im off topic
[02:09]  * balsaq shrugs...
[02:09] <lazerlemon> but if you know IRC you know that rules are just a facade
[02:09] <lazerlemon> I can do most of it tbh its grabbing specific console output into a variable thats the hard part
[02:10] <lazerlemon> batch cant be learned because its too confusing
[02:10] <balsaq> well keep workin on it we need it man
[02:10] <lazerlemon> its worse than basic
[02:52] <axisys> is it possible to enable the routes from interfaces file that tied to em3 without reboot?
[02:53] <axisys> ip addr flush em3 clears all the routes.. but restarting network does not bring those routes back up
[03:14] <illuminated> I'm using kde and installed ffmpegthumbnailer or something similar package.  In dolphin i click the preview button and I still have no joy of video previews
[03:14] <illuminated> any idea why?
[03:17] <lotuspsychje> illuminated: the #kubuntu channel might know that perhaps
[03:18] <illuminated> ok thanks
[03:34] <Rhapsody> Stupid questions time: I'm taking the leap to Ubuntu, dual booting with Windows 10. I have my SSD formatted in a way that half of it is NTFS (for Windows 10). The other half is unallocated space.
[03:35] <Rhapsody> So my question is twofold; firstly, should I use NTFS or ext4 for the unallocated space?
[03:35] <Rhapsody> Actually, now that I look at it, NTFS isn't even an option in the dropdown
[03:35] <Rhapsody> So that's a bit redundant
[03:36] <Rhapsody> Okay, second question; when formatting the drive during the installation I have the option of choosing to set it as the Primary or Logical partition type. Which do I choose? What's the difference?
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> Rhapsody: the unallocated space, will be filled by the ubuntu setup automaticly, if you choose it that way
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> !dualboot | Rhapsody
[03:39] <Rhapsody> lotuspsychje: The thing is the instructions state that there should be an option for Ubuntu to install alongside Windows; instead during setup it says there's no detected operating system
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> Rhapsody: there comes your uefi settings, its a bit complicated
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | Rhapsody
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> Rhapsody: wrongly set, its possible your HD/partition doesnt showup in ubuntu setup
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> !ping EriC^^
[03:41] <Rhapsody> It detects the SSD properly, however I don't know if I have fastboot disabled among the other stuff it's telling me to change, I'll boot back into Windows and get back to you soon
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> Rhapsody: good luck!
[03:41] <Rhapsody> Yep, thanks
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> Rhapsody: the easiest way would be use ubuntu on full ssd, and loose win once and for all :p but thats only my opinion, the users choice ; )
[03:54] <Rhapsody> So I looked in my BIOS and Fast Boot was already disabled, and I see nothing relating to Intel Smart Response Technology.
[03:54] <Rhapsody> Additionally, I ran the command listed on that UEFI page and confirmed that I'm booting in EFI mode, not legacy
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> Rhapsody: can your proceed now in ubuntu setup?
[03:55] <Rhapsody> lotuspsychje: It doesn't show the option to dual boot with Windows.
[03:56] <Rhapsody> Notably, Ubuntu can see my NTFS partition just fine; it shows up in the installer as an NTFS partition and I can view it in Files
[03:58] <Rhapsody> Hm, apparently there's actually another Fast Boot option within Windows itself, not just the BIOS
[03:58] <Rhapsody> going to give that a look
[04:00] <lazerlemon> code so far (not working) https://pastebin.com/XKPQaxQh
[04:03] <Rhapsody> Unfortunately doing that still didn't help; the Ubuntu installer doesn't detect my Windows 10 installation and offer to dual boot
[04:04] <lazerlemon> wait you actually ran it
[04:04] <lazerlemon> this is for a sompletley different thing
[04:04] <Rhapsody> Hm?
[04:04] <lazerlemon> youre fucked :(
[04:04] <Rhapsody> Are you talking to me?
[04:04] <lazerlemon> nah just some guy called rhapsody
[04:05] <Rhapsody> No, I didn't run it; I'm in the part of the menu where it asks how I want to install
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> lazerlemon: dont
[04:05] <Rhapsody> but yeah I guess I'm fucked before I actually did anything :p
[04:05] <lazerlemon> my program nas no menus :D
[04:05] <lazerlemon> has*
[04:05] <lazerlemon> yet
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> lazerlemon: this channel is for ubuntu support only, please move forward
[04:06] <lazerlemon> I know what this channel is "for"
[04:06] <Rhapsody> So do I even need this option to appear? To clarify I have my NTFS partition and I have free space that I intend to install Ubuntu into
[04:06] <Rhapsody> Can I just select that partition to install it into and expect everything to work fine?
[04:06] <lazerlemon> yet two ppl are disgussing windows
[04:06] <lazerlemon> and im somehow being targeted and noone else
[04:07] <lazerlemon> great moderation work there
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> lazerlemon: we are supporting ubuntu support on a dualboot
[04:07] <Rhapsody> If you're going to be a jackass about me switching to Ubuntu I'll just not use it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[04:07] <lazerlemon> I prefer kubuntu
[04:08] <lazerlemon> well my usb stick has kubuntu on it
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> lazerlemon: now please, dont use this channel for opinions or regular chat
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> lazerlemon: come to ubuntu-discuss if you want to discuss
[04:08] <Rhapsody> Anyhow, above question
[04:08] <Rhapsody> Can I just select that partition to install it into and expect everything to work fine?
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> Rhapsody: if ubuntu setup sees your hd and partition, sure you can let ubuntu autopartition and let it install on unallocated space
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> Rhapsody: keep in mind before setup, you have made a backup of your data right?
[04:10] <Rhapsody> This is nonessential stuff left on that drive and everything else that's valuable is on a different HDD
[04:11] <Rhapsody> Okay, so my followup: Will GRUB detect Windows properly or require additional setup after?
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> Rhapsody: when ubuntu setup has chosen install alongside windows, grub will be installed correctly too
[04:12] <Rhapsody> The issue here is that said option isn't appearing for whatever reason
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> Rhapsody: then it must be your uefi settings arent right yet
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> Rhapsody: im not the best uefi expert myself sorry, i always singleboot
[04:13] <Rhapsody> Okay, what's left to check? I followed the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI to weed out compatibility issues
[04:16] <Rhapsody> I'm going to check something fast in Windows, brb
[04:16] <Apachez> in ubuntu 18.10, how come the volume bar is a bright blue color instead of ubuntu orange?
[04:18] <lazerlemon> how do I open task manager in ubuntu
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: cosmic changed themes
[04:21] <Rhapsody> Currently on Windows; going to redo the installation USB with Rufus
[04:21] <Rhapsody> Which partition scheme should I use? MBR/GPT?
[04:21] <Rhapsody> I assume GPT?
[04:25] <lazerlemon> is there any channels where people are not faggots about batch scripting
[04:25] <lazerlemon> #windows doesnt work
[04:25] <lazerlemon> they refuse to help despite it clealy being a windows question
[04:25] <lazerlemon> too damn scared because they dont know shit
[04:25] <mwsb> Please don't
[04:26] <lazerlemon> if I was an oper you wouldnt be saying that
[04:26] <lazerlemon> how ironic
[04:26] <Rhapsody> The thing if you wouldn't be an oper with that attitude
[04:26] <Rhapsody> thank god
[04:26] <lazerlemon> yeah I would
[04:28] <Bashing-om> Rhapsody: You do want GPT to match Window's UEFI .
[04:28] <Rhapsody> Bashing-om: I figured after reading up on the UEFI instructions for Ubuntu, I think I originally did MBR in Rufus which might've been the issue
[04:29] <Rhapsody> It just finished so I'm about to reboot, will be back in a moment
[04:31] <Rhapsody_> Well, that unfortunately doesn't appear to have fixed it
[04:31] <Rhapsody_> Going to try a custom install into the unallocated space then
[04:32] <Rhapsody_> Getting an error now though
[04:32] <Rhapsody_> "No root file system is defined. Please correct this from the partitioning menu."
[04:32] <Rhapsody_> How would I go about doing that?
[04:32] <Ben64> you need to set a mountpoint for the / partition
[04:32] <Ben64> uh.
[04:32] <Ben64> set a partition to be the / mountpoint
[04:32] <Rhapsody_> Ah, I thought that was an auto fill...
[04:34] <Rhapsody> Anyhow, that appears to have done it
[04:34] <Rhapsody> installation is starting
[04:40] <Rhapsody> Ben64: Ran into an issue
[04:40] <Rhapsody> "The 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot."
[04:42] <Rhapsody> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1766945 Got linked to this bug report when the crash reporter finished
[04:42] <Rhapsody> Apparently there's a solution? Not sure if it's included in 18.04
[04:42] <Rhapsody> Actually it wouldn't be, would it
[04:42] <Rhapsody> I assume I need to use 18.10 then
[04:43] <Rhapsody> Guess I'll be installing 18.10 then since this issue is apparently fixed there
[04:43] <Rhapsody> brb
[04:44] <Rhapsody_> Back and downloading 18.10, if you have any suggestions in the interim I'm here
[04:44] <Apachez> lotuspsychje: sure but that looks just wrong
[04:45] <OERIAS> I any Vinux users?
[04:45] <OERIAS> *Any Vinux user?
[04:46] <amflir> "find" returns the full path for subdirectories so rename does not work. how to solve this? find . -depth -type d -exec perl-rename 's/([0-9]{2})-([0-9]{2})-([0-9]{4})/$3-$2-$1/' {} +
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: feel free to change your themes back to ambiance..
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> OERIAS: this is ubuntu support here
[04:55] <Apachez> I must have become blind or something but where do one change the repeat speed of the keyboard in ubuntu 18.x ?
[04:55] <Apachez> previously it was in settings -> devices -> keyboard
[04:56] <Apachez> now the above only contains shortcuts and no repeat speed slider
[04:56] <stanrifkin>  /bin/ls shows me a space in column one. is this normal?
[04:57] <Apachez> stanrifkin: looks like it on 18.10
[04:57] <Apachez> seems to be reserved for ' and "
[04:58] <Apachez> for the cases when the filename contains a whitespace
[04:58] <Apachez> this way the first letter will always have the same fixed position no matter if the filename is quoted or not
[04:59] <stanrifkin> Apachez: can i disable that?
[04:59] <stanrifkin> Apachez: the space isn't shown in all directories
[05:03] <stanrifkin> Apachez: found an option: ls -N (displays without quoting)
[05:19] <Rhapsody> So I'm in a bit of a pickle. I installed Ubuntu onto an empty partition and created a 50MB partition for the bootloader or something (as instructed during installation).
[05:19] <Rhapsody> Thing is, towards the very end of the installation, I received an error stating that GRUB wasn't installed properly
[05:20] <Rhapsody> Upon rebooting I have a screen asking me to install proper boot media, and now I can't access Windows *or* Ubuntu unless it's through the installation USB, which is what I'm doing right now
[05:20] <Rhapsody> So my question is this; what do I need to do to repair this?
[05:28] <vlt> Rhapsody: The search term is "grub-install".
[05:30] <Rhapsody> vlt: Something like https://askubuntu.com/questions/126541/how-to-manually-install-boot-loader ?
[05:30] <vlt> Rhapsody: Sorry, I have to go ...
[05:30] <Rhapsody> The command specified in the answer states to pick the partition to install the bootloader on. What partition would that be? The 50MBish one I had to make before I could proceed?
[05:30] <Rhapsody> Alright, np
[05:31] <Rhapsody> Anyhow I reran the installer and there was no error this time I think
[05:31] <Rhapsody> going to reboot and pray it worked
[05:33] <Rhapsody_> Unfortunately that doesn't appear to have done the job, still not working..
[05:37] <Rhapsody_> Followed the instructions on https://askubuntu.com/questions/831216/how-can-i-reinstall-grub-to-the-efi-partition
[05:37] <Rhapsody_> Hoping that worked properly, be right back
[05:39] <Rhapsody> Dammit, no dice
[05:40] <Rhapsody> Recap of the issue thus far; I'm attempting to dual boot Ubuntu alongside Windows 10. I have Windows 10 on an NTFS partition, and Ubuntu was to be installed on unallocated space. I was running into issues where the install wasn't proceeding properly in 18.04, and it was apparently fixed in 18.10, so I went with 18.10.
[05:41] <Rhapsody> At this point, when I completed installation the first time around, GRUB was reported to have failed installation; rebooting at that point brought me to a screen asking me to insert boot media.
[05:41] <Rhapsody> Installing the second time around didn't produce any error, but still produced the same end result.
[05:41] <Rhapsody> I then tried to install GRUB manually through the terminal following steps from a thread I linked above; that didn't work either.
[05:42] <Rhapsody> So at this point I now I have a system that can't be booted into Windows nor Ubuntu, so any help would be appreciated
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: ^
[05:46] <Rhapsody> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1771651/comments/8 There's a workaround mentioned here that I'll give a shot, I suppose
[05:46] <Rhapsody> I'll report back if it works, starting installation in a moment
[05:53] <Rhapsody> Installation finished, suppose I'll be back in a minute or so to say if it worked
[05:54] <AuroraAvenue> Mr Torvaldz would-be getting touchy recently. https://youtu.be/pQWj2Fgxdrc?t=1016
[05:55] <Rhapsody_> I'd love to say that it worked, but I'd be lying if I did
[05:55] <Rhapsody_> For the love of god any help would be appreciated, currently have a basically nonfunctional system
[05:57] <AndyChow888> Rhapsody_, do you have secure-boot enabled?
[05:57] <Rhapsody_> I made sure it's disabled in both Windows and BIOS
[05:58] <AndyChow888> In your bios, do you see the Ubuntu entry when having boot selection?
[05:59] <Rhapsody_> I'm currently on IRC via said computer on the installation USB, let me hop onto my tablet real fast so I can continue
[06:00] <Rhapsody> Alrighty, going to bios
[06:00] <Rhapsody> I dont see an option explicitly labelled ubuntu
[06:01] <Rhapsody> First optFIfirst entry is UEFI Hard Disk
[06:02] <AndyChow888> Seems that the UEFI entry wasn't made. Do you see a windows choice?
[06:02] <Rhapsody> No, ill get the exact text thst shows
[06:02] <AndyChow888> Humm. Does your disk have a UEFI partition?
[06:03] <Rhapsody> Reboot and Select proper Boot Device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key
[06:03] <Rhapsody> How can i verify that?
[06:03] <AndyChow888> Go in the install disk, live mode, and do an lsblk. Give me the output.
[06:04] <Rhapsody> In terminal? Newish to ubuntu
[06:04] <AndyChow888> Yeah, in a terminal.
[06:05] <AndyChow888> "lsblk". No need to sudo.
[06:05] <Rhapsody_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gB9XJjdK5b/
[06:06] <Rhapsody_> sda is the target install disk; sda2 is the windows partition, sda6 is ubuntu
[06:06] <Rhapsody_> sda5 is the efi partition
[06:07] <AndyChow888> Should be sda1, methinks.
[06:07] <Rhapsody_> So what's the way forward here/
[06:07] <Rhapsody_> ?
[06:08] <Rhapsody_> current sda1 is the recovery partition for Windows I think
[06:08] <Rhapsody_> haven't touched it but it was already there
[06:08] <AndyChow888> It's 549 M, so it's just the UEFI boot partition.
[06:08] <Rhapsody_> Alright.
[06:08] <AndyChow888> Do you know how to chroot and all that?
[06:08] <Rhapsody_> Hardly
[06:09] <Rhapsody_> I get the basis behind it but I haven't done it more than twice for some trivial stuff
[06:09] <AndyChow888> The best thing, is probably to re-install, delete all ubuntu partitions, then use the free space to put a single ubuntu partition, select the sda1 as the boot target.
[06:10] <Rhapsody_> By deleting all ubuntu partitions you mean efi as well?
[06:10] <Rhapsody_> or esp
[06:10] <Rhapsody_> or whatever it's called
[06:10] <AndyChow888> But, there are too many variables for me to say for sure. you might mess your ability to boot into windows.
[06:11] <Rhapsody_> I already expect that to be the case since Ubuntu didn't offer me an option to dual boot alongside Windows 10 in the first place, hence why I'm trying to install directly into unallocated space
[06:11] <AndyChow888> Let me test it. Give me 30 mins.
[06:11] <Rhapsody_> Go for it, I'll be around
[06:12] <Rhapsody_> ^ I'm still here
[06:12] <Rhapsody_> that was my tablet
[06:18] <maxh> Does anyone know how I can get Apache 2.4.37 on Cosmic?
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> !latest | maxh
[06:20] <maxh> I get that; I'm wondering if anyone knows if .37 is considered "unintrusive" enough under the policy or if there's a source other than the main repo.
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> maxh: see also the #httpd channel if you like
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> maxh: its your system, you can choose, but we recomend sticking to official packages from the repos
[06:27] <maxh> I'd prefer to, but the official package is .34 and Apache added TLS 1.3 support in .35.
[06:37] <qwefytuoityty> Ubuntu-Mate 18.04.1 How to see the frequency of the video card chip and the frequency of the video card memory? Xsensor always shows a voltage of 0.93 v for a video card. I think that in Ubuntu for my video card, the mode of reducing the frequency and voltage does not work. Or does it work? NV GT 710 GDDR5. Nvidia driver not installed. In Windows i see frequency. For Windows have a programs for video cards. I know for Windows need Nvidia
[06:37] <qwefytuoityty>  driver. With Nouveau viewing frequency for video cards is not possible?
[06:43] <qwefytuoityty> and Xsensor shows temperature for the video card
[06:44] <Rhapsody> AndyChow888: Find anything?
[06:44] <qwefytuoityty> Speed of the video card fan?
[06:47] <Rhapsody> AndyChow888: I'm willing to give it a shot. You're saying select sda1 as the boot target? How would I go about that?
[06:47] <AndyChow888> Rhapsody, I'm doing it now.
[06:47] <Rhapsody> Gotcha, sorry if I'm being impatient
[06:47] <AndyChow888> I just copied a Windows image, and booting the ubuntu cd
[06:47] <Rhapsody> Alright
[06:47] <Rhapsody> Just a bit on edge about my computer not working properly is all, sorry if I'm rushing you
[06:48] <qwefytuoityty> home PC is not a server, PC, need more information about the video card.
[06:48] <qwefytuoityty> home PC is not a server PC, need more information about the video card.
[06:48] <AndyChow888> Hey, don't worry. I'm a bit lazy and slow, but for some reason I'm trying this. I'm curious about Ubuntu 18.10. I don't use Ubuntu in general.
[06:50] <AndyChow888> Ok, I'm going through the steps, Rhapsody. When installing, you chose "something else", for the installation type?
[06:50] <Rhapsody> Yes
[06:50] <Rhapsody> Not sure if it's different for you but in my case I had Windows 10 installed but didn't see the option to dual boot with it
[06:52] <conjo> hi all ima noob with linux and irc can anyone suggest a channel to ask about (me next project) home security server/software setup powered by linux, namely what distro to run what opensource software to run the cameras.
[06:53] <AndyChow888> Ok, I can't seem to resize from there. even gparted won't let me. I'll have to reboot the VM, shrink the partition there, and restart. Give me another 30 minutes. If you don't want to wait that long, it's cool. I'm curious myself how Ubuntu has evolved.
[06:53] <qwefytuoityty> https://screenshots.firefox.com/TU9esFo2MPUwXXBf/null
[06:53] <Rhapsody> AndyChow888: I'm willing to give it a shot but I need clarification on what you mean by selecting sda1 as the boot target.
[06:54] <brondif> conjo: there is a ##security channel on freenode
[06:54] <brondif>  ##security
[06:54] <AndyChow888> Rhapsody, I copied one of my Windows VM disks. So now, I'm going to reproduce your steps, and see how I can do it.
[06:54] <Rhapsody> Alright.
[06:55] <AndyChow888> Rhapsody, did you shrink your Windows partition from Windows?
[06:55] <Rhapsody> Yes, I shrunk it using MiniTools I believe it was
[06:55] <qwefytuoityty> This information is insufficient for a video card.
[06:56] <AndyChow888> Ok, I'll do it from the Windows disk tool, but I remember that Gparted used to be able to do it directly. Must be some patent crap.
[06:56] <Rhapsody> Give me a sec and I'll check the file I downloaded to confirm
[06:57] <Rhapsody> AndyChow888: To be honest I probably could've done it in gparted, I completely forgot about that at the time
[06:57] <AndyChow888> No need to confirm. Just watch a movie or something. This will take me 20-30 minutes.
[07:01] <Rhapsody> AndyChow888: I'll be keeping an eye on my monitor, throw me a mention when you're done so I can see it from a distance
[07:06] <Illuminaughtyy> why do hardcore linux users shit on ubunutu all the time
[07:12] <conjo> brondif churr ma bro
[07:13] <brondif> ??
[07:13] <conjo> thanks
[07:13] <brondif> ok!
[07:15] <conjo> nz slang (new zeland)
[07:15] <conjo> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chur
[07:15] <AndyChow888> Illuminaughtyy, because every time you configure anything, it breaks something else.
[07:18] <AndyChow888> Illuminaughtyy, try fixing an fstab and cryptab that was automagically generated by Ubuntu. Nothing will make sense. Don't get me wrong, I like Ubuntu, because it's easy and automagically configured. But as soon as you step off the much walked path, it breaks, badly.
[07:23] <Illuminaughtyy> Are other things designed to work together more?
[07:23] <Illuminaughtyy> I guess I walk the beaten path too much to understand
[07:26] <conjo> i think i felt like that back when i used windows lmao
[07:26] <AndyChow888> Well, in Arch, which I use as primary, everything has to me manually set up. So no matter how badly things break, you can always fix them. And then, the fixes are usually a reverse of what you did. There is no voodoo.
[07:27] <conjo> re because every time you configure anything, it breaks something else.
[07:27] <AndyChow888> Worse case, I just use a boot disk, chroot into my installation, and fix it.
[07:28] <AndyChow888> Exactly, conjo. In Ubuntu, many pieces are interdependent. You can use their tools, and things work, but if you mess up, it's broken forever.
[07:30] <conjo> lol i messup heaps only thing that saves me is backing up constantly
[07:30] <JimBuntu> lol. You can always fix Ubuntu too
[07:30] <conjo> lol jimbuntu
[07:31] <conjo> whats broken andychow888
[07:31] <AndyChow888> Hey Rhapsody, you around?
[07:32] <Rhapsody> Yeah, why?
[07:32] <qwefytuoityty> tell Microsoft about it. Deb scype have double ico. Xu, Mate, Lu. I see it ~5 - 7 months. https://screenshots.firefox.com/KgppiK5UEHSurvCT/null
[07:36] <qwefytuoityty> humor, or tell about it in Debian
[07:39] <qwefytuoityty> https://screenshots.firefox.com/o5NlWc4NV8uqa7GI/www.skype.com
[07:43] <qwefytuoityty> open url in firefox
[07:48] <boblamont> ok, so this isn't exactly an ubuntu-specific question, but both my local computer and the server are running ubuntu, so I figured I'd try here... I have a site (with a domain) hosted in one place, but I'm setting up a new server that it will move to. Right now, I have to change my local host file to get to the new one, but I'd like to set something up where I can get to both simultaneously...
[07:49] <boblamont> I've been able to get it to connect using a fake name in both the virual host and the local hosts files, but it forwards to the actual domain, which means the new server just forwards to the old one...
[07:51] <eviladmin> just change your zone file?
[07:51] <eviladmin> to suit your needs
[07:52] <boblamont> thats what I did, but although I changed the server name, it forwarded to the domain name anyway
[07:52] <eviladmin> yourdomain.tld A/AAA yournewserverip; pleasehackme A/AAA youroldserverip
[07:52] <eviladmin> pleashackme.yourdomian.tld*
[07:54] <eviladmin> or you can do a reroute on yourdomain.tld/something
[07:54] <eviladmin> reroute/proxy
[07:55] <boblamont> ok, I'll fiddle with that and see if I can get it to work. Thanks
[07:56] <Rhapsody_> AndyChow888: The job isn't done but let it be known that you're a legend right now
[07:56] <Rhapsody_> Booted up properly by the looks of it, briefly hung on a purple screen which I imagine was GRUB, although there were no boot entries to look at
[07:56] <Rhapsody_> Take that as you will
[07:57] <AndyChow888> Hey, I try to keep my legendary character under wraps, FYI.
[07:57] <Rhapsody_> :p
[07:57] <Rhapsody_> Now to figure out how to manually add Windows to the boot entry list
[07:57] <Rhapsody_> https://www.trishtech.com/2017/09/quickly-add-windows-10-to-grub-menu-after-installing-ubuntu/
[07:57] <Rhapsody_> I assume that's what I'm looking for
[07:58] <AndyChow888> Oy. You'll have to adjust to UEFI. Yeah. It's never easy, in my experience.
[07:58] <Rhapsody_> So my result from running os-prober was slightly different than the screenshot
[07:58] <AndyChow888> But this is ubuntu. Maybe they have figured it out.
[07:59] <Rhapsody_> Only entry that showed up
[07:59] <Rhapsody_> er
[07:59] <Rhapsody_> Not pasting properly...
[07:59] <AndyChow888> Windows on sda2, right?
[07:59] <Rhapsody_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QNsYdZ87vB/
[07:59] <Rhapsody_> It is, yeah
[07:59] <Rhapsody_> os-prober is showing sda1 though
[07:59] <AndyChow888> Hummm.
[08:00] <eviladmin> boblamont: while doing the move you could simply use the ip instead of the domain.tld
[08:00] <Rhapsody_> Isn't sda1 the bootloader now?
[08:00] <Rhapsody_> So I feel like it's mislabeled
[08:00] <AndyChow888> Yeah, it is.
[08:00] <eviladmin>  Rhapsody_ sda1 is a partition, not a bootloader
[08:00] <eviladmin> also, the esp can be on any partition on any disk
[08:00] <eviladmin> the GUID matters, not the order
[08:00] <boblamont> It's wordpress that's doing the forwarding. The new one keeps throwing me to the old one.
[08:01] <Rhapsody_> Okay, so apparently the next step is to run sudo update-grub and it'll populate the list with the entry
[08:01] <Rhapsody_> Going to see if that works for some reason
[08:01] <Rhapsody_> If not there's apparently other steps
[08:01] <eviladmin> boblamont: I would not do routing in wordpress
[08:01] <Rhapsody_> Rebooting, brb
[08:01] <AndyChow888> I don't know os-prober. But, if you add it, it might see the windows bootloader. I think your first boot into windows will have a "fixing Windows" thing, but after that, hopefully, you will be ok.
[08:02] <eviladmin> unless you nuked the esp windows created then there is no need to do any "fixing windows"
[08:02] <boblamont> basically what I'm trying to do is be able to look at the old settings, pages, etc while setting up the new one
[08:02] <eviladmin> boblamont: just access using the ip?
[08:02] <Rhapsody> hello hello
[08:02] <Rhapsody> http://rhap.city/i/yGbxb.png
[08:02] <Rhapsody> It works :)
[08:02] <eviladmin> boblamont: I would set up the new server before changing over the A/AAAA though
[08:02] <Rhapsody> In Windows now, just came from Ubuntu, now to go back
[08:02] <Rhapsody> Thank you so much for the help man
[08:02] <eviladmin> less downtime that way
[08:03] <boblamont> the IP isn't working... it can get me to the new server, but when I try to use wp-admin, it bumps it to the old one with the domain
[08:03] <Rhapsody> I'll drop by when I inevitably need more help, for now you all have a great night
[08:03] <AndyChow888> No problem dude. Pay it forward.
[08:03] <Rhapsody> Only side effect of this bullshit I'm noticing is that my timer on both OSes seems to be desynced
[08:04] <Rhapsody> currently says 8:03AM while it's actually 4:03
[08:04] <AndyChow888> Yeah, you live in a +/- 4 hour zone?
[08:04] <AndyChow888> From greenwich time.
[08:04] <Rhapsody> Eastern Standard Time
[08:04] <Rhapsody> Requerying the time servers fixed it
[08:04] <AndyChow888> Should be -5 hours, but we are in daylights saving time?
[08:04] <Rhapsody> Heading back to Ubuntu now to get stuff set up, once again thanks
[08:05] <AndyChow888> It's normal, and now fixed.
[08:05] <AndyChow888> Good night. It's 3 am, dude.
[08:05] <AndyChow888> 4am
[08:05] <Rhapsody> Actually might as well ask
[08:05] <Rhapsody> Any of you have any experience with ShareX for Windows?
[08:05] <Rhapsody> I know for a fact it's doesn't work with WINE; is there a suitable alternative?
[08:05] <Rhapsody> ^ clone
[08:05] <AndyChow888> For screenshots?
[08:06] <Rhapsody> Screenshots, video snippets, file uploads
[08:06] <Rhapsody> if you look above I have my own domain for that stuff
[08:06] <Rhapsody> handling it in one application is very nice
[08:06] <AndyChow888> greenshot, flameshot, lot's of stuff.
[08:06] <Rhapsody> I'll give them a look, thanks
[08:06] <AndyChow888> For video I like OBS, or OSB.
[08:06] <Rhapsody> OBS is good for longer stuff, I use ShareX for short snippets
[08:07] <Rhapsody> lot easier and faster to process than OBS
[08:07] <Rhapsody> If there's one application I'm going to miss in this transition it would absolutely be ShareX
[08:07] <Rhapsody> bar none one of the most useful utilities I know of
[08:07] <AndyChow888> I don't know one that does both easily, but I like flameshot myself, for stills, and comments.
[08:08] <Rhapsody> ShareX is directly derived from Greenshot so it definitely inherits functionality from it
[08:08] <Rhapsody> Anyhow, going to stop lying, I'm off, have a good night
[08:08] <eviladmin> boblamont: wp admin in a seperate route/subdomain?=
[08:08]  * eviladmin wouldn't have wp-admin exposed directly to the outside world at all
[08:11] <boblamont> wp admin is in domain/wp
[08:12] <eviladmin> see if there is a route set up for that on the web server in front of wp
[08:13] <boblamont> the old one or the new one?
[08:14] <eviladmin> whatever domain.tld is pointing to
[08:15] <boblamont> the old one, ok... sorry, I haven't done this before... where do I look for the route?
[08:17] <eviladmin> first place to check would be apache/nginx/whatever you are running infront of php
[08:21] <boblamont> the old one is shared hosting, so I can't check as much, but htaccess doesn't seem to have anything to say on it
[08:45] <eviladmin> if you are using htaccess for security then you are doing it wrong, basically
[08:45] <eviladmin> talk to whoever is hosting it
[08:46] <eviladmin> or take the risk of having the site go down and just move the domain over to the new server
[08:49] <boblamont> that's the thing, I am moving the domain over, but I want to be able to set up a fresh, clean version of wordpress identical to the old one (i.e. without restoring from a backup or using the same files)... that's why I'm trying to open them up side by side.
[08:53]  * eviladmin would not use wordpress to begin with, as a sidenote
[08:54] <eviladmin> most wp type really doesn't need to be dynamic, and wp has a huge attack surface, specially if using plugins
[08:55] <eviladmin> boblamont: as said, just use the ip until you have finished the setup and then move ?
[08:55] <eviladmin> or a subdomain
[09:03] <banyantree> Hi, how can i disable ertm (bluetooth) under ubuntu 18.4.1?
[09:04] <banyantree> in 16.04 it says add this line in sysfs.conf:
[09:04] <banyantree> module/bluetooth/parameters/disable_ertm = 1
[09:04] <banyantree> but below it says its not working since 17.10
[09:05] <banyantree> use $pkexec instead. Actually i do not know how to use this one =(
[09:08] <boblamont> gah! It all works, right up to displaying the wordpress site, but when I go to the admin area, it redirects to the domain
[09:15] <eviladmin> boblamont: modprobe.d/ if it can be passed as a module option
[09:16] <eviladmin> boblamont: do you have /sys/module/bluetooth/parameters/disable_ertm ?
[09:17] <eviladmin> boblamont: also if this is for the xbox controllers, then there are some out of tree drivers for those too
[09:18] <eviladmin> that patches the ertm to get them to work less badly
[09:18] <banyantree> eviladmin: i do not have /sys/module/bluetooth/.... in my directory =(
[09:19] <banyantree> eviladmin: i bought me a xbox one wireless controller it can be connected via usb and bluetooth
[09:20] <banyantree> eviladmin: i can connect this one with my android smartphone without any problems.
[09:21] <banyantree> i found several sources with the information to disable the ertm thing whatever this is...
[09:27] <tachikomas> Hello. I switched language on my 18.04.1LTS from Fra to Eng, but i still have basic folder (Desktop/Downloads) in french. I try to modify them, but either i get an error, or the system recreate the old ones (in french). Any tools or tips to change these names ?
[09:28] <eviladmin> tachikomas: if gnome doesn't ask you then you can change the path in the config file yourself
[09:28] <tachikomas> eviladmin, he did ask, but i think something went wrong
[09:28] <eviladmin> tachikomas: ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[09:28] <eviladmin> then mv the content over
[09:28] <tachikomas> Ok. :) thanks a lot
[09:29] <eviladmin> there is also xdg-user-dirs-update --set whatever some/path
[09:29] <tachikomas> i will do it with emacs, faster
[09:29] <eviladmin> there is also xdg-user-dirs-update --set DOWNLOAD ~/totallynotcatvideos
[09:29] <tachikomas> :D
[09:33] <banyantree> reboot
[10:06] <qwefytuoityty> sudo lshw -c video What this 33Hz? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XQVJCBKPnc/
[10:07] <qwefytuoityty> 133? 1333?
[10:07] <qwefytuoityty> 33HZ
[10:07] <JimBuntu> 33,000,000
[10:09] <qwefytuoityty> 33 Very little. What this 33Hz chip, memory or what?
[10:10] <JimBuntu> 33 million hertz. I don't know why the clock shows up like that
[10:10] <JimBuntu> It's *very* common
[10:13] <JimBuntu> qwefytuoityty, PCI bus speed I think - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventional_PCI
[10:15] <qwefytuoityty> and 33 what this? I know 33Hz only PCI have 33MHz, but GPU PCI-X
[10:16] <JimBuntu> " I know 33Hz only PCI have 33MHz" ? PCI comes in both 33MHz and 66MHz.
[10:18] <JimBuntu> Maybe it's not functioning at full speed (133MHz for PCI Express) or maybe the output is simply wrong.
[10:19] <qwefytuoityty> GPU in PCi -X, PCI-X have too 33MHz?
[10:19] <d3vcho> Good morning, should I upgrade from 18.04 to 18.10?
[10:19] <JimBuntu> Are you certain it's PCI-X and not simply PCI Express?
[10:19] <Ben64> everything says 33mhz, just ignore it
[10:21] <JimBuntu> I'm not completely up on this, but the geforce-gt-710 appears to be PCI Express 2.0
[10:22] <qwefytuoityty> PCI-X clock don't interest me. I need to see GPU frequencies and GPU memory
[10:22] <Ben64> open nvidia-settings
[10:22] <qwefytuoityty> PCI-X clock don't interest me. Me need to see GPU frequencies and GPU memory
[10:22] <qwefytuoityty> noveau
[10:22] <qwefytuoityty> nouveau
[10:23] <qwefytuoityty> Me need to see GPU frequencies and GPU memory real time as temp
[10:23] <qwefytuoityty> Me need to see GPU frequencies and GPU memory in real time as temp
[10:25] <Ben64> stop repeating yourself
[10:28] <NetKurd> H
[10:28] <qwefytuoityty> Driver from a vendor in Linux bad idea
[10:30] <qwefytuoityty> drivers for Windows good idea
[10:30] <qwefytuoityty> drivers from a vendor in Windows good idea
[10:33] <qwefytuoityty> without Nvidea driver we can not to see GPU clock and memory clock?
[10:34] <qwefytuoityty> GPU clock and GPU memory clock?
[10:35] <qwefytuoityty> and fan speed?
[10:36] <JimBuntu> qwefytuoityty, Have you tried lm-sensors?
[10:37] <JimBuntu> I can see my temp and fan speed via that
[10:37] <qwefytuoityty> yes, lm-sensors have
[10:37] <arunangshu> i am using ubuntu on virtual machine shared a folder with full accessbut ubuntu is saying "You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of “sf_Virtual_Box”."
[10:38] <arunangshu> what to do ??
[10:38] <JimBuntu> qwefytuoityty, ok, have you looked at the output from sensors?
[10:38] <qwefytuoityty> xsensor to see only voltage and GPU temp
[10:38] <JimBuntu> qwefytuoityty, sudo cat /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/amdgpu_pm_info
[10:39] <qwefytuoityty> xsensor see only voltage and GPU temp
[10:39] <JimBuntu> qwefytuoityty, why do you repeat yourself like this?
[10:43] <qwefytuoityty> en https://translate.yandex.ru/?lang=ru-en&text=%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%BD%D0%B5%20%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B9%20%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA.%20%D0%AF%20%D0%BD%D0%B5%20%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%91%20%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B6%D1%83%20%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%20%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BC%D1%83.%20%20%D0%BD%D0%B5%20%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%91%20%D1%87%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D1%8F%20%D0%BF%D0%
[10:43] <qwefytuoityty> B8%D1%88%D1%83%20%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%20%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE
[10:43] <qwefytuoityty> good url
[10:43] <OerHeks> bad url
[10:43] <qwefytuoityty> bad for you, not bad for me
[10:44] <arunangshu> i am using ubuntu on virtual machine shared a folder with full accessbut ubuntu is saying "You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of “sf_Virtual_Box”."
[10:44] <arunangshu> what to do ??
[10:46] <OerHeks> arunangshu, for using shared folders, add yourself to the vboxsf > sudo adduser <user> vboxsf # and restart virtualbox, i guess
[10:47] <OerHeks> many posts about this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/890729/this-location-could-not-be-displayed-you-do-not-have-the-permissions-necessary
[10:49] <arunangshu> OerHeks, can u guide me with the procedure please
[10:50] <OerHeks> open terminal: sudo adduser <user> vboxsf  # and reboot
[10:50] <qwefytuoityty> cat /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/amdgpu_pm_info AMD? i have gpu nvidia
[10:50] <JimBuntu> arunangshu, in case this needs to be said... replace <user> with your username on the virtual machine
[10:51] <qwefytuoityty> no amd gpu
[10:52] <arunangshu> thnks
[10:53] <rhoks> hey is doing snap install --classic an okay thing to do?
[10:53] <nsh> so an extension i use to save tabs [tab session manager on FF] just corrupted its storage file
[10:53] <nsh> and i had a lot of saved tabs in there
[10:53] <nsh> fs is ext4, what's the method most likely to recover this data before the filesystem overwrites it?
[10:53] <OerHeks> rhoks, yes, if that snap gives multiple versions, --classic is the safe choice
[10:53] <JimBuntu> qwefytuoityty, Sorry, I gave you some info I use, completely overlooked the nvidia part
[10:54] <qwefytuoityty> cpu amd, gpu nvidia
[10:55] <blackflow> rhoks: OerHeks: classic means no (apparmor) confinement, so I would not use "safe" in that sentence. some snaps have no alternatives but to run unconfined.
[10:56] <rhoks> OerHeks, blackflow I'm installing discord
[10:56] <OerHeks> blackflow, oh, never knew about that :-(
[10:56] <rhoks> the stable and edge versions are the same apparantely
[10:56] <rhoks> bionic beaver
[10:57] <blackflow> rhoks: among other things, snaps "promise" security confinement of applications they install, via namespaces, interfaces and apparmor profile binding it all into a more or less confined environment. --classic means there's no such confinement, and that snap is _only_ a delivery mechanism.
[10:58] <rhoks> discord 0.0.5 from Snapcrafters installed
[10:58] <rhoks> what does that "Snapcrafters" mean?
[10:58] <gpunk> it is the name of the dev. team
[10:58] <blackflow> so instead of "safe" I'd better use word "okay", as in it's okay to install --classic snaps if you trust them and their source. snapcrafters is one such trustable source.
[11:00]  * rhoks sighs in relief
[11:00] <rhoks> cool
[11:00] <Nelluk> if im on a cheap VPS account, should the load under 'uptime' reflect my own processes' loads or the machine its on? trying to tell if its slow because of me or because of shared services
[11:01] <EriC^^> Nelluk: what is the ram usage like? free -h
[11:02] <EriC^^> also "top" shows which processes are using the cpu the most
[11:02] <blackflow> Nelluk: the load is from the currently running kernel. so if it's a VM (like KVM), then it's guest OS process load.
[11:02] <blackflow> Nelluk: in a container/namespace based virtual servers, the kernel is host's
[11:02] <Nelluk> total 1.5g, used 227mb, free 1.2g
[11:03] <Nelluk> hmwell this is an OpenVZ VPS if that helps
[11:04] <Nelluk> sometimes its taking 15-30 seconds to respond to simple CLI commands. im like 90% sure its just a too-cheap host that is overloaded trying to be sure
[11:04] <rhoks> gpunk, blackflow, so it is not necessarily discord that does snap packing for their software to be installed on linux/ubuntu? Does that line mean they gave that responsibility to Snapcrafters (like paid work/contract)?
[11:04] <blackflow> Nelluk: that's likely it. openvz is just glorified shared hosting, and they're usually crammed
[11:04] <Nelluk> ah
[11:05] <blackflow> rhoks: no idea
[11:05] <gpunk> yes snapcrafter is the packager
[11:06] <blackflow> rhoks: keep in mind that anyone can upload a snap to the store, and there has already been a case of malware (a *coin miner was part of a non-mining snap).
[11:06] <rhoks> gpunk, blackflow, well do other companies do that? As in give teams like snapcrafter paid work/contract to handle packaging for them?
[11:06] <gpunk> yes
[11:06] <rhoks> cool
[11:06] <blackflow> rhoks: no idea. you'd have to ask snapcrafters. I think popey here is one of them.
[11:08] <d3vcho> I'm upgrading from 18.04 to 18.10 from the terminal and the system won't let me access my files
[11:08] <rhoks> cool cool
[11:09] <gpunk> is the upgrade finished ?
[11:09] <d3vcho> No
[11:09] <gpunk> so what do you mean by "system won't let me access my files" ?
[11:10] <d3vcho> I'm just trying to click on a folder I have on the desktop
[11:10] <d3vcho> And it won't open
[11:10] <EriC^^> it's probably unrelated
[11:10] <gpunk> wait fo the upgrade to finish , some libraries have to refresh
[11:10] <EriC^^> d3vcho: are the permissions right on the folder you're trying to access?
[11:10] <d3vcho> Yes
[11:11] <EriC^^> d3vcho: open a terminal and type "cd ~/Desktop/<name of folder>"
[11:11] <Nelluk> blackflow: all else being equal, should a VPS advertised as KVM/SolusVM be 'better' than one advertised as OpenVZ?
[11:12] <d3vcho> It works, EriC^^
[11:12] <rhoks> is there any reason to update from 18.04 to 18.10
[11:12] <EriC^^> d3vcho: odd, maybe try once the update is done and you've restarted
[11:12] <d3vcho> Alright, thanks both of you :)
[11:13] <blackflow> Nelluk: all else being equal, KVM is better than openvz because it's true virtualization and can thus be better configured for resource management
[11:14] <EriC^^> d3vcho: np :)
[11:25] <qwefytuoityty> humor: sudo cat /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/nvidiagpu_pm_info ?
[11:28] <superherointj> After Ubuntu update a new "taskbar" has appeared in Gnome desktop. I'd like to remove it. How can it be done?
[11:29] <gpunk> can you take a screenshot ?
[11:29] <Apachez> anyone with an intel nuc in here and have noticed that the ubuntu 18.10 identifies the speaker out as "headphone out"? How to change that?
[11:30] <blackflow> lotus|NUC: ^^^
[11:34] <superherointj> gpunk, https://i.postimg.cc/ZRPnwrhG/Screenshot-from-2018-10-27-08-30-07.png
[11:35] <gpunk> right or bottom ?
[11:35] <superherointj> bottom
[11:36] <gpunk> you can remove it , it is an "extension"
[11:36] <gpunk> let me look for its name
[11:37] <superherointj> Thanks for the information!
[11:38] <gpunk> " Window list" , disable it in Adjustments
[11:38] <superherointj> In Gnome tweaks?
[11:38] <gpunk> yes
[11:38] <superherointj> Gnone tweaks doesnt show it but I was able to disable the extension in https://extensions.gnome.org/local/
[11:39] <superherointj> I have solved my problem. :-)
[11:39] <gpunk> good
[11:39] <superherointj> Linux is great :D
[11:43] <qwefytuoityty> https://ibb.co/eUV2yA - Windows
[11:45] <qwefytuoityty> asus gpu tweak and you can control the frequency of memory and CPU chip in 3d
[11:45] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:48] <banyantree> Hi, I'd like to upgrade my graphics card. I thik to buy either a geforce gtx 1060 or a radeon rx 580
[11:49] <banyantree> does it matter in terms of drivers/compatibility?
[11:49] <banyantree> do you have a recommendation?
[11:50] <gpunk> at my knowledge they are both supported in linux
[11:50] <davenall> Yeah both should work, take your pick
[11:50] <gpunk> but one uses opensource and one closed source
[11:51] <gpunk> nvidia closed source drivers
[11:51] <lizzie> I installed lubuntu 18.10 and installed nvidia drivers via the nvidia-driver-390 package.  how do I get 32 bit graphics support for games installed?
[11:51] <banyantree> gpunk: you would go for radeon?
[11:51] <lizzie> nvidia-driver-390:i386 does not seem to be the way
[11:51] <gpunk> me, yes
[11:52] <banyantree> benchmark and price is nearly same
[11:52] <lizzie> if you have a recent amd card the open source driver is likely to serve you well
[11:52] <lizzie> sadly I have nvidia in this laptop >.>
[11:53] <banyantree> thx dudes for the recommendation
[11:54] <banyantree> i think around 200 eur you get the best price/performance ratio in gfx cards
[11:55] <lizzie> hm I think I found it...  if I use ubuntu-drivers autoinstall, it installs some recommended packages
[12:01] <coconut> !gpu
[12:12] <coconut> gpunk: would you know of a reason for why i.e. tuxedocomputer.com does not sell a radeon    now while there is an open source driver?
[12:13] <gpunk> lobbying ? i dont know :)
[12:13] <eviladmin> coconut: still requires non-free firmware
[12:14] <gpunk> coconut ask merkel ;)
[12:14] <coconut> oh, it does... well but will it be a greater choice then in near future?
[12:16] <coconut> Is there any good channel  for asking for these graphic cards things?
[12:16] <gpunk> ##linux
[12:16] <coconut> gpunk: merkel?
[12:17] <gpunk> yes, the site is from germany
[12:17] <coconut> :)
[12:17] <eviladmin> intel also requires non-free firmware, so you are screwed no matter what you use basically
[12:19] <coconut> eviladmin: Do i understand well when i think that amd gpu's are going in a better direction compared the alternatives?
[12:39] <knittl> hi. I was asked by a collegue about a grep call, namely `grep -1`. what's this option? I cannot find it in the man page
[12:43] <eviladmin> coconut: imo they are not really
[12:44] <eviladmin> coconut: also their upcoming 7nm based gpus are basically do or die
[12:45] <Sven_vB> how can I configure Ubuntu so that new keyboards and pointer devices are initialized as floating (xinput terminology) instead of attached to the Virtual core keyboard and  Virtual core pointer?
[12:46] <coconut> thnx eviladmin.
[12:46] <knittl> ah. -$number seems to be identical to -C$number
[12:46] <knittl> oh. found it in the manpage now :] it is written as -NUM
[12:56] <eviladmin> coconut: on one hand amd seems to be more friendly when it comes to development of free drives now, but on the other hand they still basically ignore any request for help, takes a year or more after new hardware is out until it is really useable etc
[12:59] <jatt> double click on a pdf file is opening a new nautilus window but not opening the file with an application why?
[12:59] <jatt> Ubuntu 18.10
[12:59] <knittl> jatt: maybe you have accidentally set the default application for pdfs to nautilus?
[12:59] <knittl> rightclick on a pdf > properties > open with
[13:02] <jatt> knittl: I tried that it says "Open With Atril Document Viewer" I click that and still a new nautilus window is opened instead of the file
[13:02] <jatt> I tried also with evince as viewer
[13:02] <jatt> same problem
[13:03] <knittl> odd. does that happen with every pdf or just a specific one? maybe the pdf is broken
[13:04] <jatt> every pdf, it happens even with png files
[13:04] <jatt> or text files
[13:04] <jatt> I reinstalled nautilus and still happens
[13:04] <jatt> the viewer application is not opened
[13:05] <knittl> what happens when you open the viewer directly?
[13:05] <Sven_vB> I read wayland is the default on Ubutntu 17.10, but my 18.04 live session seems to use Xorg, why? what's the roadmap for making Wayland the default?
[13:07] <jatt> knittl: when I right click on the file and then select "Open With Other Application" and then I select the viewer from the "Select Application" list then it works
[13:07] <jatt> I can open also the viewer externally without problems
[13:08] <ducasse> Sven_vB: the last i heard was 'maybe 20.04', it's not considered ready yet
[13:08] <knittl> jatt: hm. looks like gnome has problems finding the correct application :-/ so you have set the correct application in the properties of the file?
[13:08] <Sven_vB> ducasse, thanks!
[13:10] <knittl> jatt: can you check /usr/share/applications? https://askubuntu.com/questions/16580/where-are-file-associations-stored
[13:12] <jatt> knittl: thanks will check
[13:40] <mrokii> Hello. I have tried to resize a partition on my desktop, and of course something went wrong. Now the physical size and the filesystem size differ and I can't get it to repair via gparted or kde partition manager. Any idea how I can fix this?
[13:41] <knittl> mrokii: first thing: make a complete backup of your drive
[13:42] <mrokii> knittl: I'm not sure if it isn't already too late for that. I haven't mounted the partition yet, because I don't want to damage something.
[13:42] <knittl> you don't need to mount anything to create a full-disk-image
[13:42] <knittl> once you have a backup, you can try testdisk to restore your partition table/filesystems
[13:43] <mrokii> isn't there a way to just resize the partition to what it was before?
[13:46] <TJ-> mrokii: which way did you resize it? shrink the partition but not the file-system inside?
[13:47] <mrokii> TJ-: I used kde partition manager to shrink it.
[13:47] <TJ-> mrokii: "it" being the partition?
[13:47] <TJ-> mrokii: so you're saying you now have a file-system that reports itself larger than the partition that contains it?
[13:50] <mrokii> TJ-: I get the message that the file system according to the superblock is bigger than the physical size.
[13:53] <fub> Im using Uuntu 18.04. Since one of the last updates something with my touchpad looks broken. Whenever I close the lid of my laptop and reopen it (suspend or hibernate, dont know which state this is), the touchpad dragging is not working.
[13:54] <fub> The touchpad mouse is working, scrolling is working, just the click-and-drag is not working anymore.
[13:55] <TJ-> mrokii: OK, that's realatively easy to sort out *if* when you shrank the partition you didn't add another immediately after it *and* write something to that additional partition
[13:55] <TJ-> mrokii: partitions are only sector offsets/sizes stored in the partition table
[13:56] <TJ-> mrokii: are you using that PC to chat on IRC?
[13:57] <lotus|NUC> fub: try with gnome-tweak-tool a few mouse settings there aswell
[13:57] <Sven_vB> Since I haven't found a way to make new devices float instead of being attached to the Virtual core, I now tried to just ignore the entire Virtual core, but that doesn't work either: "xinput --disable 'Virtual core keyboard'" -> "X Error of failed request:  BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied)" any ideas? I want the devices to still become visible to xinput, but not disturb the regular inputs.
[13:59] <Sven_vB> i.e. I want to query their key states and coordinates, but they shall not type into programs or move my cursor.
[14:00] <mrokii> TJ-: I have just used testdisk and *might* have corrected the problem, not sure. At least I don'get an error-message when restarting gparted. But I am open to suggestions if there is anything else I should try or test.
[14:00] <Sven_vB> my current work-around is to try and react after the fact, monitoring new devices and then floating them, but that still leaves a few milliseconds for evil devices to send evil keystrokes, disappear, re-register, send next evil key.
[14:02] <TJ-> mrokii: as long as you didn't write data to the disk in the area that was released by shrinking you should be OK. You should now run a file-system check on that file-system. E.g. "sudo fsck /dev/sdXY"
[14:04] <fub> lotus|NUC: Im not using gnome, I use i3wm.
[14:05] <Sven_vB> fub, does your drag behave as a normal mouse move?
[14:05] <Sven_vB> fub, i.e. as if you hadn't pressed a button?
[14:05] <fub> Sven_vB: when I click on the touchpad with one finger and try to drag with the other finger then, the mouse does not move
[14:06] <fub> its moves maybe a few pixels
[14:06] <mrokii> TJ-: it seems testdisk did the trick, recreating the correct partition table. But thanks anyhow. :L)
[14:06] <mrokii> :)
[14:06] <fub> but then it doesnt move until I move my finger up
[14:06] <Sven_vB> fub, oh ok. never dealt with two fingers on a touchpad.
[14:06] <mrokii> knittl: Thanks as well. :)
[14:06] <fub> Sven_vB: how do you drag with a touchpad?
[14:07] <knittl> mrokii: glad it worked out. but it's still good to have full disk-images before performing such operations in case you destroy more during recovery
[14:08] <mrokii> knittl: I know. I guess my last data-loss is too long ago and I was too optimistic. :)
[14:08] <Sven_vB> fub, I press the button below the touchpad, then put a finger on the touchpad to move the cursor.
[14:08] <Sven_vB> when at the target, I take the move finger away and then release the button.
[14:09] <fub> Sven_vB: oh, ok.
[14:09] <fub> So I noticed when I do a "sudo modprobe -r psmouse && sudo modprobe psmouse" it works again.
[14:10] <Sven_vB> cool! so now you need a way to autmate that?
[14:10] <TJ-> Sven_vB: do you get the context menu when you tap twice with 2 fingers, too?
[14:10] <fub> Sven_vB: the question is why this is needed
[14:10] <Sven_vB> TJ-, no. nothing happens.
[14:10] <fub> after a suspend (or hibernate?)
[14:11] <fub> this was not needed some weeks ago, I guess some update broke it.
[14:11] <Sven_vB> fub, haha, I learned to stop wondering. Ubuntu has so many strange behaviours. :D
[14:11] <TJ-> Sven_vB: I seem to be discovering new multi-taps all the time; I wish they were clearly documented and notified
[14:11] <TJ-> fub: 'after a suspend' suggests an ACPI firmware issue
[14:12] <Sven_vB> TJ-, I probably disabled them some time because they did something annoying.
[14:12] <fub> TJ-: so what does that tell me? or what can I do to fix this?
[14:13] <TJ-> fub: well first off, I'd be checking the kernel log to see if there are clues
[14:14] <TJ-> fub: secondly, I'd try the acpi_osi= workaround
[14:15] <Sven_vB> TJ-, do you have any idea how to make new input devices float by default?
[14:15] <TJ-> Sven_vB: fill the bath with water and drop them in?
[14:16] <fub> TJ-: How does that workaround work? Where do I have to put this?
[14:16] <Sven_vB> TJ-, I meant in the xinput sense. i.e. not attach to Virtual core keyboard/pointer
[14:16] <TJ-> fub: see my article: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[14:16] <TJ-> Sven_vB: I think there is an Xorg config setting to control such things
[14:17] <Sven_vB> I'll check, thanks!
[14:18] <TJ-> Sven_vB: something like Section "InputDevice" > ... > Option "AutoServerLayout" "false" > EndSection
[14:18] <fub> TJ-: thanks
[14:18] <TJ-> Sven_vB: see "man xorg.conf"
[14:18] <TJ-> Sven_vB: you'd add a config fragment to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ I think
[14:19] <fub> TJ-: does this script mess with my disk encryption?
[14:20] <Sven_vB> TJ-, I think I found it
[14:22] <Sven_vB> TJ-, after I added my new fragment, how can I activate it? do I need to restart X?
[14:22] <TJ-> Sven_vB: yes
[14:22] <TJ-> fub: no
[14:23] <Sven_vB> ok :(
[14:30] <fub> TJ-: all right thanks, I will read this article
[14:31] <gxnyne> How critical is it to upgrade from 16.04 LTS to 18.xx? I'm running a hypervisor and I honestly have tried to configure it with 18.xx without much success, usually running into having to force upgrades and then go back and reinstall conflicting packages.
[14:32] <blackflow> gxnyne: not at all
[14:33] <blackflow> gxnyne: until it EOLs of course. but eh, what exactly is the problem with 18.04 in your use case?
[14:35] <gxnyne> I'm using Kimchi + KVM / Virsh, headless. Specifically required packages from Kimchi which are not included into 18.xx, I can't remember off the top of my head atm, but I usually skip the dependencies. The issue is to install security updates, etc, I have to force the update/upgrade, then go back and reinstall with dpkg Kimchi, and edit a few python files for it to work properly. It's nothing that I can't overcome, just kind of a PITA when I gotta shutdown
[14:35] <gxnyne> all the VM's and go through 30 minutes of messing with packages just to install a few updates, then perform a shutdown -r.
[14:37] <blackflow> gxnyne: the part you can't remember is the most important here. what exactly is happening?
[14:37] <blackflow> are you using any broken or bad quality PPAs?
[14:38] <gxnyne> --ignore-depends=python-imaging
[14:38] <gxnyne> I have to install kimchi with that command, however when update/upgrade the system finds broken libs and attempts to clean them up.
[14:40] <blackflow> !info kimchi
[14:40] <lotus|NUC> gxnyne: can you pastebin us sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade perhaps, lets see whats going on?
[14:40] <blackflow> !info kimchi xenial
[14:40] <blackflow> gxnyne: so how are you installing kimchi in bionic, then? there's no package in main repos.
[14:41] <blackflow> in which case, doesn't surprise me there's problems. what I'd recommend to you is to containerize it. pick your poison between LXD, build your own snap (should be very eas) or if you have to, dockerize it.
[14:46] <gxnyne> I know this would be a hack, but what about editing the dpkg/status file for kimchi and removing the python-imaging from the package dependencies?
[14:47] <blackflow> gxnyne: what file is that? where's the package coming from?
[14:49] <gxnyne> https://github.com/kimchi-project/kimchi - the site has install instructions. I am referring to the /var/lib/dpkg/status file. Right now the system is running 16.04 LTS so this would have to be another time that I could post grabs.
[14:50] <blackflow> gxnyne: well you need to solve the issue for bionic, ON bionic. at any rate, containerize that thing. that'll fix your problems.
[14:51] <gxnyne> Ok, I will look into it, thank you for your time and feedback/help!
[14:51] <blackflow> whatever you do, do NOT hack dpkg. that will only lead to grief, crying, pain and ultimately suicide.
[14:51] <gxnyne> Noted. :D
[14:51] <lotus|NUC> blackflow: seems like its from here: http://www.ubuntuboss.com/ubuntu-server-18-04-as-a-hypervisor-using-kvm-and-kimchi-for-vm-management/
[14:52] <blackflow> lotus|NUC: what is?
[14:52] <lotus|NUC> blackflow: there a same dependencie hack there
[14:52] <blackflow> kimchi has its own github, but I was asking about where the package was coming from, since gxnyne has been suggesting issues with dpkg
[14:52] <lotus|NUC> gxnyne talked about
[14:54] <blackflow> i see, the deb is coming straight from them.
[14:54] <blackflow> seems the deb is broken if it recommends installing it  with --ignore-depends
[14:58] <gxnyne> It certainly seems like the project is geared toward Deb/Cent more than Ubuntu. However, I personally prefer Ubuntu. I will look into containerizing next time I mess with it, again, thank you for the help.
[14:58] <lotus|NUC> gxnyne: can virt-manager help as alternative?
[14:58] <blackflow> gxnyne: being python thingy, you can (in a container!) install it all with pip and avoid the dpkg completely.
[14:58] <gxnyne> I was under the impression virt-manager was UI based?
[14:58] <blackflow> gxnyne: infact, maybe you can do it without the container, in a virtualenv
[14:59] <blackflow> this is a kvm hypervisor server, right? that's why you need the web ui?
[15:00] <arooni> is there a way i can change which terminal application launches with control + alt + t?
[15:00] <arooni> im testing out kitty instead of gnome-terminal
[15:02] <gxnyne> blackflow: Yes, KVM server running headless with Kimchi+Ginger+Wok for the web-UI.
[15:02] <nabcore> When will java 11 replace the 10 place holder in 18.04?
[15:02] <blackflow> gxnyne: right, then virt manger is of no use
[15:03] <lotus|NUC> nabcore: can this help mate? https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-java-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[15:04] <lotus|NUC> nabcore: just keep in mind adding ppa's to your system 'could' harm your system, use at your own risk
[15:06] <nabcore> lotus|NUC thank you for the link. I have made use of PPAs in the past for this kindof this and it is an option. I was just curious when they were going to make good on the SRU exception (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-February/004275.html)
[15:07] <lotus|NUC> nabcore: hmm, not sure wich channel would be suitable for this
[15:09] <lotus|NUC> nabcore: apt-cache search openjdk 11 hits, anything usefull there?
[15:12] <lotus|NUC> nabcore: perhaps the #ubuntu-release guys might know more of that?
[15:12] <nabcore> I have openjdk-11-jre installed, but it is actually openjdk version "10.0.2" 2018-07-17
[15:12] <nabcore> There's also more information here https://dzone.com/articles/installing-openjdk-11-on-ubuntu-1804-for-real
[15:14] <lotus|NUC> nabcore: well in most cases we dont reccomend latest, but using the package versions meant for the specific ubuntu version
[15:14] <lotus|NUC> nabcore: but if you really need 11
[15:15] <nabcore> Yes, I might just try the PPA route.
[15:19] <evertiro> Is there a known issue with keyboard backlights under 18.10? Worked fine under 18.04, but 18.10 can't set through terminal and the option is gone from settings
[15:25] <evertiro> ah... seems i have a name collision issue
[15:31] <evertiro> "Led asus::kbd_backlight renamed to asus::kbd_backlight_1 due to name collision"
[15:42] <mistahj> Good morning room!
[15:47] <mistahj> I was hoping I could talk to someone to better understand linux(18.10 ubuntu) triyng to understand this laptop video card drivers I have a HD mobility radeon 5730 thats supposedly a hybrid card(as of right now defaul drivers from install I get terrible preformance honestly. the thing is I'm slightly hung up on understanding what to do(ubuntu/linux noob)
[15:51] <fub> TJ-: so I just came back from suspend and looked at dmesg. So far I cant see any error here regarding the touchpad.
[15:51] <fub> There are a few ACPI events, but also nothing really suspicious
[15:51] <fub> So I think I will go for the thing you mentioned in your article now
[15:51] <fub> with the grub config
[16:21] <chromebookpixel> I'm trying to install 18.10 ubuntu on Chromebook 2013 Pixel laptop and the keyboard doesn't work. I'm using the onscreen keyboard in the "try ubuntu" but when I double click to install it I can't use the onscreen keyboard. Can I run a terminal apt-get command that will allow me to get the keyboard drivers for this laptop?
[16:22] <chromebookpixel> I already did an apt-get update and apt-get install but that didn't fix anything with the keyboard...out of ideas
[16:24] <chromebookpixel> I don't have a usb keyboard I can use at the moment unfortunately
[16:24] <nisankhindia> for last two days i am watching the process list and few other things in the Ubuntu ( 18.04 LTS ) and i found zobiee process are increased in a unexpected ways . Now i know these are no harm part of system but It's impact in System Memory can not be ignoured SO DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY IDEA what can help me to limit these ? Eleminate these zombie process automatically
[16:25] <nisankhindia> Cause manually killing zobiee process will take alot of time
[16:25] <nisankhindia> *zombie
[16:26] <Sven_vB> can I use udev to make a keyboard appear as a generic character device with no regular implications about user input on X or console screens?
[16:26] <TJ-> chromebookpixel: what kind of connection does the keyboard use? Is it Bluetooth?
[16:27] <chromebookpixel> TJ-: It's the keyboard that is built into the laptop...Chromebook Pixel 2013
[16:28] <TJ-> chromebookpixel: how does it connect though? is it wired, or wireless?
[16:28] <chromebookpixel> TJ-: It is built into the laptop...probably connected to the logic board with a ribbon cable
[16:29] <gpunk> it would be  nice to see your "dmesg"
[16:31] <alazywor1> Ubuntu doesn't support a 32-bit upgrade from 18.04 to 18.10 (right?) but should Xubuntu?
[16:32] <gpunk> chromebookpixel:  try an installation with an external keyboard
[16:32] <TJ-> chromebookpixel: hmmm, and you're using the GUI installer?
[16:33] <nisankhindia> gpunk: If you have a non-64-bit processor made by AMD, or if you need full support for 32-bit code, use the i386 images instead. Choose this if you are at all unsure.
[16:33] <gpunk> huh
[16:34] <nisankhindia> gpunk: details available at Ubuntu release page of 18.10
[16:34] <gpunk> that s not for me :)
[16:35] <ursula00> hello
[16:35] <nisankhindia> instead 32 bit use i386 image
[16:35] <ursula00> can someone help me please
[16:36] <gpunk> explain your issue
[16:36] <ursula00> I want to set a key combination in ubuntu 18.10 to change  typing layout (alt+shift) but it doesnt allow me
[16:37] <nisankhindia> ursula00: what is your Desktop environment in use
[16:38] <ursula00> it's the default ubuntu has
[16:38] <TJ-> chromebookpixel: I can't find any indications of problems with the keyboard; everything I've found reports the keyboard works fine. It also looks like it may connect via the i8042 PS/2 interface
[16:39] <ursula00> no I mean I can use at settings another key combination but alt+shift is impossible... why ?
[16:39] <nisankhindia> ursula00: what steps you have followwed to achieve that
[16:40] <ursula00> went to settings then keyboard and clicked on the shortcut responsible for layout change which was super+space and tried to press alt+shift when asked
[16:40] <ursula00> but it doesnt allow it
[16:41] <nisankhindia> ursula00: use gnome-tweeks
[16:41] <ursula00> nisankhindia: I will install it and try
[16:42] <ursula00> also a last question, I go to application store and search for vlc , and I find two entries one says source:snap and another says source:cosmic-something
[16:42] <ursula00> which one is the right one for me?
[16:42] <nisankhindia> ursula00: install gnome-tweaks , open gnome-tweaks and than select keyboard and mouse , after that aditional layout option, last -- Expand Switching to another layout and than select your choise
[16:42] <gpunk> i usualy avoid snaps
[16:44] <ursula00> nisankhindia:thanks it worked!
[16:44] <ursula00> gpunk: why snaps are bad? should I use non-snaps in every app I find duplicate ?
[16:44] <nisankhindia> ursula00:  never use snap package till the package available in official repositories .. ( for end users if you are not a power user )
[16:45] <Sven_vB> is there a text-based installer available in the Bionic amd64 live session, or easy to install one?
[16:45] <ursula00> I see thank you both, you've been very helpful
[16:46] <nisankhindia> ursula00: snap is good but as the package is avaibale in official repo so avoid snap in this case
[16:47] <TJ-> ursula00: see Bug #1218322
[16:47] <TJ-> oh, too late
[16:48] <younder> How do I set up PAM for facial recognition in 18.04?
[16:48] <chromebookpixel> TJ-: ya im using the gui installer because it has the virtual keyboard...it works for everything except the part where i need to type in username and stuff for the install
[16:50] <gpunk> plug an external keyboard?
[16:55] <TJ-> chromebookpixel: HAve you tried an alternative installer, such as the 18.04 LTS ?
[16:56] <chromebookpixel> TJ-: na, cause my internet is so slow it takes me like 3 hours to download the installer...i just started downloading linux mint instead.
[16:56] <chromebookpixel> gpunk: ya unfortunately I don't have any external usb keyboard around atm
[16:58] <TJ-> chromebookpixel: what I don't understand is why the keyboard is not working - everything I've read suggests it works fine, no additional config or drivers needed
[17:00] <chromebookpixel> TJ-: are you sure you aren't confusing chromebook pixel with google pixelbook
[17:03] <TJ-> chromebookpixel: I was looking at this Debian page: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/ChromebookPixel
[17:06] <IniGit> hi
[17:06] <IniGit> can somebody explain me what is util-linux-ng?
[17:07] <IniGit> is this some kind of terminal where you can type and execute programs?
[17:08] <IniGit> or is it a set of programs?
[17:08] <IniGit> and no terminal?
[17:09] <TJ-> IniGit: util-linux is a set of core tools
[17:09] <rhoks> how to check how much ram an app is using?
[17:10] <rhoks> I forgot :S
[17:10] <SwedeMike> rhoks: ps
[17:12] <DJones> -
[17:12] <rhoks> cool
[17:13] <sla3k> TJ-: Are you there? You helped me the other day with KVM and nbd
[17:14] <TJ-> sla3k: I am
[17:14] <sla3k> TJ-: I am now getting this and stuck: mount: /dev/nbd1p1 is already mounted or /mnt1 busy!!! /dev/nbd1p1 is already not mounted and I am not sure why it is saying /mnt1 is busy
[17:14] <sla3k> It's an empty directory I just created
[17:15] <rhoks> SwedeMike, can I get it to show me ram usage in MB?
[17:15] <rhoks> of this application named discord for example
[17:16] <gpunk> sla3k: do fuser /dev/nbd1p   and fuser /mnt1
[17:16] <gpunk> see if it throws PIDs
[17:17] <sla3k> TJ-: ndb1p1 is surely available as a block device as I can see it in the output of lsblk
[17:17] <sla3k> gpunk: none, there is no output and it returns to the prompt
[17:17] <gpunk> ok
[17:18] <TJ-> sla3k: hmmmm. I'd trust the tools. what does "sudo blkid /dev/nbd1*" report ?
[17:19] <sla3k> TJ-: http://ix.io/1qbU
[17:20] <TJ-> sla3k: so an ext4 file-system. Did you previously have it mounted and are now trying to re-mount it?
[17:21] <sla3k> nope, I just connected to it using qemu-nbd and added in the kernel table, then tried to mount and got this error
[17:21] <sla3k> TJ-:  ^^
[17:21] <TJ-> sla3k: Is it possible your GUI automount tooling hasn't found it and mounted it under /media/$USER/ ?
[17:22] <TJ-> s/hasn't/has/ !
[17:22] <sla3k> TJ-: hmm, if that'd be the case then 'mount' command should be listing it but it is not
[17:23] <TJ-> sla3k: ok, show us "ls -l /dev/nbd1* /mnt1; cat /proc/mounts; sudo mount /dev/nbd1p1 /mnt1"
[17:23] <sla3k> TJ-: maybe something in the kernel table that is goofy? is there a way I can check what partitions are in the kernel table
[17:24] <TJ-> sla3k: "cat /proc/partitions"
[17:24] <TJ-> sla3k: also, just in case, try "sudo umount --lazy /dev/nbd1p1"
[17:26] <sla3k> TJ-: http://ix.io/1qbX
[17:26] <sla3k> TJ-: # umount --lazy /dev/nbd1p1
[17:26] <sla3k> umount: /dev/nbd1p1: not mounted
[17:28] <TJ-> sla3k: something looks wrong there; nbd devices... 10-15 !? I'm pretty sure by default there should be only 0-8 or similar initially
[17:28] <TJ-> sla3k: sorry, 16
[17:29] <TJ-> sla3k: oh never mind, it was my stupid command!!!
[17:29] <TJ-> moving swiftly on...!
[17:30] <sla3k> TJ-: yes they are listing in odd order..oh well. but they are there
[17:30] <sla3k> Should I rmmod nbd and start again to check?
[17:30] <TJ-> sla3k: it was because i made the filter nbd1* not nbd* *blushes*
[17:31] <TJ-> sla3k: During this boot session have you had that device mounted at all (since power on) ?
[17:31] <TJ-> sla3k: I'm wondering if some process has a dangling reference; I've seen that occassionally with things like device-mapper nodes
[17:31] <sla3k> TJ-: not that I am aware of, the host is up since around 280 days
[17:31] <TJ-> sla3k: is this the same host you mounted the nbd image on the other day?
[17:31] <sla3k> TJ-: yes
[17:32] <sla3k> the same host
[17:32] <TJ-> sla3k: aha... so I think my theory of a dangling reference might be correct
[17:32] <TJ-> sla3k: the hard part is... how do we release it. Let's try brute force, unload the module. "sudo modprobe -r nbd"
[17:33] <sla3k> TJ-: just to be sure, this is a remote connection and I don't have physical access to the server (well I might but I have to drive for 3 hours :/ so doing this will not affect the remote ssh connection right/
[17:34] <TJ-> sla3k: correct; we're just (trying to) unload the nbd module
[17:34] <TJ-> sla3k: if something has s dangling reference this will fail
[17:34] <sla3k> TJ-: You are right.. modprobe: FATAL: Module nbd is in use.
[17:36] <TJ-> sla3k: OK, you have 2 choices. 1) spend time finding out what has the reference or 2) use /dev/nbd2 for your image!
[17:37] <sla3k> TJ-: I am in a time bound window here, so I'll go with option 2. Plus is there nbd3 as well? I have two guests to which I need to do this process
[17:37] <TJ-> sla3k: oh, of course unloading the module will fail! you've got the image open, duh! Try "sudo qemu-nbd --disconnect /dev/nbd1"
[17:37] <sla3k> Oh wait, there is
[17:37] <TJ-> sla3k: you've got nbd0 through 15
[17:37] <sla3k> TJ-: yea I did that disconnect before trying to unload the module
[17:38] <TJ-> sla3k: and that failed too? so you definitely have a hanging reference. Previously didn't you mount it to /mnt/ ?
[17:38] <sla3k> TJ-: Previously I mounted it to /mnt/test directory
[17:39] <TJ-> sla3k: I suspect you have a process or shell that has its present worrking directory set to /mnt/test/ which prevents that being finally release
[17:39] <TJ-> sla3k: that's the usual cause of weirdness like this
[17:39] <rhoks> is it possible to check ram usage of an application in megabytes?
[17:40] <gpunk> try htop rhoks
[17:41] <sla3k> TJ-: hmm, is there a way to find out what shell is present in /mnt/test here so that I can kill it?
[17:41] <rhoks> is the info under RES gpunk
[17:41] <rhoks> in htop
[17:42] <cryptodan_mobile> sla3k: ps auxww |grep mnt
[17:42] <gpunk> yes
[17:43] <sla3k> cryptodan_mobile: thanks..
[17:43] <sla3k> TJ-: /dev/nbd2 fails as well with the same error
[17:44] <TJ-> sla3k: you added the image to the device with qemu-nbd --connect first?
[17:44] <sla3k> TJ-: and this time I changed the mount point as well
[17:44] <sla3k> TJ-: yes
[17:44] <TJ-> sla3k: so you tried to actually mount a partition of /dev/nbd2?
[17:45] <TJ-> sla3k: I think you should check the kernel log for clues; dmesg
[17:45] <sla3k> TJ-: here's the history: http://ix.io/1qc3
[17:46] <rhoks> thanks gpunk sir
[17:46] <gpunk> np:)
[17:47] <sla3k> TJ-: dmesg tail only has this http://ix.io/1qc5
[17:47] <Sven_vB> how to modify the default ServerLayout of the X server? I'd like to add an option to the default ServerLayout section, but none of the files in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d contain "ServerLayout".
[17:47] <texla> Trying to change names of iso in grub menu..changed ubuntu 18.04 to bionic and ran update-grub..name changed in menu and in grub.cfg..tried ubuntu 18.10 to mate shows in grub.cfg but not in grub menu Why?
[17:48] <TJ-> sla3k: you had/have a device on nbd11 ?
[17:48] <sla3k> TJ-: yes, the test that I performed the other day was on nbd 11
[17:49] <sla3k> TJ-: but I disconnected it and currently there is no blk device at /dev/nbd11p*
[17:51] <TJ-> sla3k: something very strange going on
[17:52] <sla3k> TJ-: I found this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/521222/how-to-unload-a-kernel-module-which-is-in-use but I get:
[17:52] <sla3k> # lsmod | grep nbd
[17:52] <sla3k> nbd                    20480  3
[17:52] <sla3k> so modprobe -r 3 nbd shows modprobe: FATAL: Module 3 not found. LOL
[17:53] <TJ-> sla3k: '3' is the number of references to the module
[17:54] <sla3k> TJ-: aha, and there is no way to find that out? like what those references are
[17:54] <TJ-> sla3k: which is why the kernel won't unload it. I've just looked at the nbd.c source-code in-kernel. that error -32 is reported when nbd gets a NULL reply from the ndb-server, which makes me wonder if you've killed all the qemu-nbd processes that are supposed to be serving the images
[17:55] <sla3k> hmm...if there are any, then they should pop up in ps output right
[17:56] <TJ-> sla3k: correct
[17:57] <sla3k> TJ-:  that's the thing, there is none: http://ix.io/1qc7
[17:57] <TJ-> sla3k: you said you're SSHed in; if you ran those processes without a multiplexer it may be they were reaped when you disconnected (if you want to daemonise you need the "--fork" option
[17:58] <Swyper> hi there, I am having lots of problem on ubuntu
[17:58] <Swyper> sudo apt install git [sudo] password for ricky:  Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help resolve the situation:  The 
[17:58] <Swyper> this is one of the errors I got when trying to install git-all
[17:58] <Swyper> I'm running version 18.04.1
[17:58] <Swyper> any help?
[17:59] <sla3k> TJ-: probably, so you are suggesting to goto physical server and try to perform this directly into a tty? am sorry am not thinking straight at this moment.
[17:59] <sla3k> and kill all SSH sessions
[18:01] <EriC^^> Swyper: try pasting the whole error in a pastebin and sharing the link
[18:02] <Swyper> okay
[18:02] <Swyper> https://pastebin.com/xHaXqQ2g
[18:02] <TJ-> sla3k: ahhh, it's not that, I just tested here. qemu-nbd just hooks up the device
[18:02] <Swyper> EriC^^:
[18:03] <sla3k> TJ-: pheww, at ;east that'll save me a day long trip
[18:04] <sla3k> TJ-: is there a way I can forcefully unload this module? apart from -rf I tried that and it did not work
[18:06] <TJ-> sla3k: I'm researching - we can't unload it without releasing those references. Can you examine "lsof" output careful for any clues about nbd ?
[18:07] <sla3k> TJ-: Well I just did lsof | grep nbd and it returned empty
[18:08] <TJ-> sla3k: oh hang on! these images you are mounting via nbd, are they on the host's own root file-system or mounted from an auxillary file-system?
[18:09] <sla3k> TJ-: these images are on /mnt/disk2/VM, which is a 2 TB ssd attached to the server directly.
[18:09] <sla3k> TJ-: the other day when I was testing all this, then also I spinned another server on the same disk which worked.
[18:09] <TJ-> sla3k: OK, has it been unmounted at any point since you've been using nbd ?
[18:10] <TJ-> sla3k: I'm trying to identify any procedure that could result in the dangling references
[18:10] <sla3k> TJ-: No, I am sure about this one because there are other running guest servers and they were not down
[18:10] <TJ-> sla3k: have the images being mounted by nbd also been mounted by a virtual machine *at the same time* ?
[18:11] <TJ-> sla3k: I wonder if there are log clues. can you pastebin the entire 'dmesg' ?
[18:11] <sla3k> TJ-: nope, I know because I never used nbd before, I only started testing with it when you mentioned about it the other day.
[18:12] <sla3k> Sure, let me grab thoat
[18:12] <TJ-> sla3k: the reason I asked was because you wanted a way to alter the config without booting the VM.
[18:13] <sla3k> TJ-: Oh wait, I might've stumbled upon something in dmesg..
[18:14] <sla3k> TJ-: http://ix.io/1qcd
[18:14] <sla3k> TJ-:  see this: [23924389.075602] EXT4-fs (nbd11p1): Remounting filesystem read-only
[18:15] <TJ-> sla3k: the -32 in the log is -EPIPE (broken pipe)
[18:16] <TJ-> sla3k: those "NBD_DISCONNECT" are the problem
[18:17] <klause> Hey guys, sorry to bulge in like this, but I'm in a kind of a desperate situation.
[18:17] <klause> As I was trying to install ubuntu (mate) from a usb drive in uefi mode, I ended up having to reset the laptop after the installation got stuck. Now I can't boot from the HDD or the USB drive in UEFI mode, for the lack of finding "mnx64.efi". Managed to install Ubuntu Mint (18.10) in legacy mode, but can't install boot-repair utility (can't manage to update repos). Anyone has any idea what I could do to fix uefi boot?
[18:17] <sla3k> TJ-: I am trying to see if this is the only place it happened, I am sure it did not happened before because I never used nbd previously.
[18:17] <TJ-> sla3k: redo with "dmesg -T" to get human-readable timestamps, then use the time of the NBD_DISCONNECT" to explore your other log files for clues
[18:18] <sla3k> TJ-: Yeap, it was Wednesday, what other log files I can check to find something that I could relate to?
[18:18] <OerHeks> There is no such thing as Ubuntu Mint, just mint, supported in ##linuxmint
[18:19] <sla3k> TJ-: and is there a way to clear this mess without a system reboot?
[18:19] <TJ-> klause: "mmx64.efi" is the Machine Owners Key Manager
[18:19] <klause> OerHeks: sorry I meant to say mate
[18:19] <TJ-> sla3k: are you operating as root or using sudo? if sudo the /var/log/auth.log should show all commands issued
[18:20] <sla3k> TJ-: I am operating as root
[18:20] <TJ-> sla3k: darn!
[18:21] <TJ-> sla3k: did you make any alternations to network around that time (since NBD is Network Block Device) because the sockets bind to 0.0.0.0 by default
[18:21] <OerHeks> klause, i would try again in uefi mode, and be patient, some steps take a lot of time
[18:21] <sla3k> TJ-: no changes to the network at all
[18:21] <OerHeks> * + install
[18:21] <TJ-> sla3k: default port is 10000 - might be worth using 'netstat' or 'ss' in case there are connections shown
[18:22] <TJ-> sla3k: give me a few minutes; I'll read the nbd source code for clues on how to brute-force disconnect
[18:22] <sla3k> TJ-: nothing on port 10000, ss | grep 10000 shows nothing
[18:23] <sla3k> TJ-: Okay, thank you for helping me out here.
[18:23] <TJ-> sla3k: I know it can be set drop connections on a timeout but you have to start the client with that option, else I/O will just hang forever... as it seems you have happening here
[18:24] <klause> OerHeks: I will, though I pretty much tried all combinations (with secure boot on and off etc.) and I can't get past that error
[18:25] <klause> TJ-: are you implying i messed up my bios by restarting during the setup process?
[18:25] <TJ-> sla3k: whilst I do this, you should explore /sys/block/nbd*/* for clues. Any active device should report a non-zero 'sie' - other nodes in those block devices might give a clue on how to drop them
[18:25] <sla3k> TJ-: on it.
[18:25] <TJ-> klause: no, I suspect the file wasn't written to disk (or file-system wasn't syned) before you killed it
[18:26] <TJ-> sla3k: non-zero "size" :)
[18:27] <TJ-> sla3k: is there anything shown under /sys/block/nbd*/holders/ ?
[18:27] <klause> TJ-: And is there a way to fix it from within legacy mode? Other than boot-repair whose repo ubuntu mate doesn't seem to like even with --allow-unauthenticated?
[18:28] <sla3k> TJ-: dm-4, dm-5 and dm-6 which are symlinks to ../../dm-4, ../../dm-5 and ../../dm-6 respectively
[18:28] <OerHeks> klause, make sure your machine has the latest UEFI bios update
[18:29] <sla3k> TJ-:  and this is under /sys/block/nbd11/holders
[18:30] <klause> OerHeks: considering it's a cheap lenovo laptop, the first bios version is likely also the latest, but I'll check that as well, thank you for the tip
[18:31] <OerHeks> err.. i hope "cheap" does not mean you have just 32 bit UEFI ..
[18:32] <klause> I honestly have no idea. I assume that's unrelated to the cpu architecture
[18:32] <OerHeks> indeed, if the machine comes with 32 bit windows, i would check the specs
[18:33] <OerHeks> or search on laptopmodel + ubuntu
[18:35] <TJ-> sla3k: oh nice! dm is device-mapper which suggest LVM check "sudo dmsetup ls"
[18:36] <sla3k> TJ-: http://ix.io/1qcj that shows something
[18:37] <TJ-> sla3k: do those images contain LVM?
[18:38] <sla3k> TJ-: only matrix--vg-root and matrix--vg-swap_1 are LVM
[18:39] <sla3k> TJ-: here is the block device output: http://ix.io/1qck
[18:39] <TJ-> sla3k: ok try removing all those nbd related dm nodes "dmsetup remove --force  nbd1p3" - remove the partitions first, then the base devices
[18:41] <sla3k> TJ-: okay, cleared that out.
[18:41] <TJ-> sla3k: ok, now "modprobe -r nbd"
[18:42] <sla3k> TJ-: success!!!!!
[18:42] <TJ-> sla3k: thank &*^^&! for that
[18:43] <sla3k> TJ-: okay, now I'll try to load the module again and try to mount to see if it works (it &&$$## should)
[18:43] <TJ-> sla3k: that should be OK
[18:44] <TJ-> sla3k: I considered device-mapper at the beginning of all this but got misled into discounting it
[18:44] <TJ-> I think I mentioned it was the usual culprit
[18:46] <sla3k> TJ-: yea, I am just checking the kernel table right now to log changes before and after the commands I put in, for reference
[18:47] <TJ-> sla3k: in case it is of use for the future, you can use tools like {x,}nbd-{server,client} to mount these images over the network
[18:50] <sla3k> TJ-: FML, it's still the same...
[18:50] <sla3k> $ sudo mount /dev/nbd1p1 /mnt/test/
[18:50] <sla3k> mount: /dev/nbd1p1 is already mounted or /mnt/test busy
[18:51] <TJ-> sla3k: are you sure there isn't some udev rule at work in the background when you create the nbd device ?
[18:51] <sla3k> TJ-:  not that I know of, and it worked the other day as expected. Something very fishy
[18:52] <TJ-> sla3k: is /mnt/test on another file-system, or part of root-fs ?
[18:52] <sla3k> TJ-: it's part of the / fs
[18:52] <slicktux> 0.o
[18:53] <TJ-> sla3k: ok, and does 'blkid' corretly report the types of the partitions ("blkid /dev/nbd*" )
[18:53] <sla3k> TJ-: yes, 2 are ext4 and one swap
[18:54] <TJ-> sla3k: there's something going on in the background there. Have you checked dmesg in case that image reported NBD_DISCONNECT again?
[18:55] <sla3k> TJ-:  not after I unloaded the module at: nbd: unregistered device at major 43
[18:55] <TJ-> sla3k: might be worth strace-ing the mount operation to get some idea of precisely what is causing it
[18:56] <sla3k> TJ-:  checking the strace output
[18:57] <pourjour> hi
[18:57] <pourjour> today I've upgraded to ubuntu 18.10 from ubuntu 18.04
[18:57] <Sven_vB> nice. trying to make xinput devices float by default, I managed to configure that at least for devices whose presence changed after Xorg had started, by creating /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-float-new-devices.conf with 'Section "ServerFlags" ¶ Option "AutoEnableDevices" "no"¶ EndSection'. any ideas how I could also float some of the devices that were present at Xorg start?
[18:57] <pourjour> after rebooting I'm surprised with screen telling me that "can't unlock cryptswap1"
[18:58] <pourjour> here is a screenshot
[18:58] <pourjour> https://imgur.com/gallery/ux9TokX
[18:59] <sla3k> TJ-: http://ix.io/1qcu nothing that I can consider very fatal but interesting part is the last line, "exited with 32"
[19:00] <sla3k> TJ-:  can this be related to nbd's receive control error 32?
[19:00] <TJ-> sla3k: yes, EPIPE
[19:02] <TJ-> sla3k: have you changed the host's CPU scheduler?
[19:02] <sla3k> TJ-: I am not understanding, we unloaded the module and reloaded it, it should be anew.
[19:02] <TJ-> sla3k: in "man xnbd-client" it says "The NBD device is known to deadlock when not being used altogether with the deadline scheduler."
[19:02] <Sven_vB> I tried the Xorg.conf Option "Ignore" "yes" but that was too hard an ignore, as they weren't even floating but instead fully ignored.
[19:02] <sla3k> TJ-: No, I haven't touched anything, the system is in same condition since Wednesday
[19:03] <TJ-> sla3k: at this point without further clues we're stuck
[19:03] <ioria> pourjour, and you are on an encrypted system ?
[19:04] <pourjour> @ioria, not I have no encrypted partition
[19:04] <slicktux> pourjour: YOu where obviously using full disk encryption I see. . .
[19:05] <sla3k> TJ-: hmm, rebooting the host system might fix this?
[19:05] <slicktux> pourjour: I assume that update came with a new kernel version . . .
[19:05] <ioria> pourjour, then cryptswap1 makes no sense
[19:05] <ioria> pourjour, i suggest booting in recovery mode -> root shell
[19:06] <pourjour> ioria, even with recovery mode I get same error
[19:06] <slicktux> pourjour: cat /etc/fstab
[19:06] <pourjour> it's empty
[19:06] <ioria> that ^
[19:07] <TJ-> sla3k: I don't think that is the cause, and is a bit drastic. I've found some source-code that implies that *something* si sending NBD_DISCONNECT !
[19:07] <slicktux> 8S
[19:07] <ioria> pourjour,  empty ?
[19:07] <sla3k> TJ-:  but NBD_DISCONNECT is not even getting logged in dmesg anymore
[19:08] <pourjour> I tried to read it with cat /etc/fstab but from busybox shell
[19:08] <TJ-> sla3k: oh... in which case even weirder!
[19:08] <slicktux> pourjour: Genkernel (which is what Ubuntu uses for the kernel settings and modules) is pretty good at detecting system requirements. Though it may be reading a configuration file that is telling it you have FDE. . .but you say you do not. . .
[19:08] <sla3k> TJ-:  yea
[19:08] <ioria> pourjour, and using recovery ?
[19:09] <pourjour> ioria, even with recovery mode I've been dropped to initramfs shell
[19:10] <ioria> pourjour, you might need a live usb
[19:10] <pourjour> I'm preparing it right now
[19:10] <pourjour> ioria, how about the next step
[19:10] <slicktux> /quit
[19:11] <sruli> how can i run a cron job as a regular user (no elevated privileges), even when installing a user crontab it still requires sudo to edit the crontab, however i do not want the user to be able to execute scripts from crontabb that require elevated privileges
[19:11] <sla3k> TJ-: how about I scp disk.img over to another server, perform the nbd operations to allow port 22 in firewall, scp disk.img back to this server and tell somehow virsh to use the new (altered) disk.img to boot
[19:11] <ioria> pourjour, you mount the root partition under /mnt
[19:11] <pourjour> ok
[19:12] <ioria> pourjour, maybe first paste   sudo parted -l
[19:13] <pourjour> ioria, what does this command do?
[19:13] <ioria> pourjour, you can see you disk layout
[19:14] <ioria> pourjour,  sudo parted -l  |nc termbin.com 9999
[19:14] <blackhole> Hello, I just upgraded my existing Ubuntu 16.04 to 18.04, everything was working fine on Ubuntu 16.04 but now with 18.04, the sound card isn't detected, I tried everything I could find on ubuntu form, can someone help?
[19:15] <pourjour> ioria, thanks ioria I will get this and contact you soon
[19:16] <Euph0ria> Hello all.  Good day.
[19:17] <Richard_Cavell> Hi everyone. I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 MATE 64-bit on an 11 year old iMac.  Sound output stopped working entirely a while ago and I have no idea why. How do I set about debugging it?  I don't know whether it's hardware or software.
[19:18] <blackhole> alsamixer doesn't detect any sound card as well Anyone please?
[19:19] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting good start for sound issues
[19:19] <ioria> blackhole, your kernel ?  uname -r
[19:20] <blackhole> ioria, 4.15.0-38-generic
[19:20] <ioria> blackhole, is pavucontrol installed ?
[19:20] <blackhole> ioria, yes it is but its not showing any devices
[19:21] <ioria> blackhole, aplay -l
[19:21] <blackhole> ioria, aplay: device_list:270: no soundcards found...
[19:22] <ioria> blackhole, is that a laptop ?
[19:22] <blackhole> ioria, nope desktop
[19:22] <blackhole> lspci | grep -i audio gives some results
[19:22] <blackhole> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation C610/X99 series chipset HD Audio Controller (rev 05)
[19:22] <blackhole> 03:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GP104 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1)
[19:23] <ioria> blackhole, paste lspci -k
[19:23] <blackhole> ioria, a sec
[19:24] <ubuntu-noob> Hello there i had a dual boot system with win 10 and ubuntu 18.04 now i am not able to boot into any of the OSs
[19:24] <blackhole> ioria, http://termbin.com/2ekx
[19:25] <ubuntu-noob> https://imagebin.ca/v/4KZY5P6fAERd
[19:26] <ubuntu-noob> This is the error i am getting when i open ubuntu
[19:26] <ubuntu-noob> And a pink screen on selecting windows
[19:26] <ioria> blackhole, i don't see any module in use
[19:27] <blackhole> ioria, here is out from (http://termbin.com/li8hw) sudo lspci -v | grep -A7 -i "audio"
[19:27] <ioria> blackhole, yes, and i don't see any module in use
[19:27] <blackhole> ioria, yes you are correct, how do we go about loading module?
[19:28] <blackhole> tried modprobe but didn't help
[19:28] <ioria> blackhole, modprobe   with what module ?
[19:28] <ubuntu-noob> Please help
[19:28] <blackhole> ioria, read on internet snd_* something like that
[19:29] <blackhole> ioria, probably wrong one
[19:29] <blackhole> ioria, so what should be next step?
[19:30] <ioria> blackhole, sudo modprobe -v snd_hda_intel
[19:30] <blackhole> ioria, FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found in directory /lib/modules/4.15.0-38-generic
[19:31] <Richard_Cavell> OerHeks, I followed that guide you linked and I got this output.  Is this reassuring?  https://ideone.com/gdv1Tu
[19:31] <Richard_Cavell> I got to the part where it wants me to create another user account and that will mean I'll have to log out so I want to check this part before I do that.
[19:33] <ChadTaljaardt> Hello, Im running ubuntu 16.04 and im trying to install it but i get a error saying "Could not find/resolve named package element : LNKC"
[19:33] <ioria> blackhole, sudo apt install --reinstall linux-generic
[19:34] <OerHeks> Richard_Cavell, it looks like it could play ..
[19:34] <ChadTaljaardt> i ran the option "Try Ubuntu"
[19:34] <ChadTaljaardt> but after that error, i just get a black screen
[19:35] <Richard_Cavell> OerHeks, So I should go ahead and create another user and try that?
[19:35] <blackhole> ioria, ok thanks doing that ..
[19:35] <ioria> blackhole, and reboot
[19:35] <pourjour> ioria: here is the output
[19:35] <pourjour> http://termbin.com/kp06
[19:36] <blackhole> ioria, I am getting these errors (they were also coming while upgrade) -> error: invalid volume.
[19:36] <blackhole> grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb4.  Check your device.map.
[19:37] <blackhole> ioria, rebooting brb
[19:37] <sla3k> TJ-: For some very wierd reason, kpartx -a /dev/nbdX worked only the first time. I was trying out different things and I skipped this command. Everything started working after that. I mounted/unmounted two different servers and made changes, rebooted and I have my accesses back (altering the firewall rule)
[19:37] <sla3k> very wierd though
[19:37] <ChadTaljaardt> I have no idea what to do to fix this :/
[19:38] <ubuntu-noob> Ok, so i have now entered rhe recovery menu, can anyone guide me from here
[19:38] <pourjour> ioria: Does the ouput help?
[19:38] <ioria> pourjour,  sudo lsblk   |nc termbin.com 9999
[19:38] <TJ-> sla3k: so kpartx was causing the issue?
[19:39] <sla3k> TJ-: yes
[19:40] <TJ-> sla3k: aha! I was wondering why your system showed device-mapper nodes and mine doesn't! so nbd/udev is auto-discovering the partitions and creating /dev/nbdXpY and then presumably kpartx goes and create device-mapper nodes and overwrites the /dev/nbdXpY with a link to the dm-X node
[19:40] <pourjour> ioria: http://termbin.com/1awu
[19:40] <TJ-> sla3k: that's are really nuanced bug
[19:41] <ioria> pourjour,  root is gone
[19:41] <blackhole> ioria, so that fixed it
[19:41] <TJ-> sla3k: in that kpartx ought to figure out there are already partitions (via looking at /proc/partitions)
[19:41] <blackhole> thanks!
[19:41] <ioria> blackhole, good job
[19:41] <blackhole> ioria, for some reason the hdmi isn't working though, it listed as device but no sound
[19:41] <TJ-> sla3k: I'm glad we finally got the bottom of it. I'll try to reproduce that here
[19:41] <pourjour> ioria: /root is in sda6
[19:41] <sla3k> TJ-: precisely, After mounting the images, I checked /proc/partitions and there were already device mappers available. Then I ran kpartx again and presumably it created them again.
[19:42] <blackhole> ioria, any guesses? this is HDMI of monitor (it was working in 16.04)
[19:42] <ioria> pourjour,  no more
[19:42] <sla3k> TJ-: Thank you for all your help today. I owe you a beer
[19:42] <pourjour> ioria: is there a fix for that
[19:43] <ioria> blackhole, try to reinstall nvidia
[19:44] <TJ-> sla3k: just checked your pastebins; not that simple. The /dev/nbdXpY nodes are correctly set to major block number 43 (nbd) so this must be more subtle
[19:45] <ioria> TJ-,  do you have a sec ?  i think root is farewell ....  http://termbin.com/kp06     http://termbin.com/1awu
[19:45] <TJ-> sla3k: but kpartx is responsible for creating the device-mapper entries; it's how those are conflicting that is the puzzle
[19:47] <TJ-> ioria: where was root-fs supposed to be, do you know?
[19:47] <ioria> TJ-, sda6
[19:47] <TJ-> ioria: do we have a "sudo blkid" report?
[19:48] <ChadTaljaardt> ACPI Exception: Could not find/resolve named package element: LNKD
[19:48] <ChadTaljaardt> Can someone please help me
[19:48] <ChadTaljaardt> not sure what im doing wron
[19:48] <ioria> TJ-, nope ... pourjour   sudo blkid | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:49] <TJ-> ChadTaljaardt: looks like the PC's firmware ACPI DSDT has bugs in it
[19:49] <ChadTaljaardt> Anything i can do about it? Dont have a operating system right now
[19:50] <TJ-> ChadTaljaardt: what is the make/model of PC?
[19:50] <ChadTaljaardt> GA-970A-UD3 Motherboard
[19:50] <ChadTaljaardt> and its a AMD Phenom x6 1090T
[19:50] <ChadTaljaardt> AMD Radeon HD 6870
[19:50] <TJ-> ChadTaljaardt: strange; I have one of those somewhere and not seen any prooblems with it
[19:50] <ChadTaljaardt> Ive used ubuntu before and it was fine then on this pc
[19:50] <ChadTaljaardt> but that was a few years ago
[19:51] <pourjour> ioria: http://termbin.com/0dfz
[19:51] <TJ-> ChadTaljaardt: the only thing I can think of is some BIOS/firmware setting
[19:51] <TJ-> ioria: got it
[19:51] <ioria> TJ-, ok
[19:51] <blackhole> ioria, any idea how will i reintsall nvidia ? In installed using  sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[19:51] <TJ-> ioria: well, metadata seems OK. how about "fsck /dev/sda6" ?
[19:52] <ioria> pourjour,  sudo -y fsck /dev/sda6
[19:52] <ioria> blackhole, that should be ok
[19:53] <blackhole> ioria, that didn't reinstall since it was already installed
[19:53] <ioria> blackhole, dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:54] <blackhole> ioria, http://termbin.com/r8ie
[19:55] <ioria> blackhole, you probsably still have the config files of old nvidia packages ....
[19:55] <blackhole> ioria, ahh
[19:55] <blackhole> ioria, how do I get rid of those?
[19:55] <TJ-> ChadTaljaardt: the LNK* messages aren't errors usually, just annoying warnings
[19:56] <pourjour> ioria: http://termbin.com/7vc9
[19:56] <pourjour> it's seems ok
[19:56] <ioria> blackhole, you could sudo apt purge nvidia-390  nvidia-375 nvidia-384
[19:56] <ioria> TJ-, http://termbin.com/7vc9
[19:57] <ChadTaljaardt> TJ when i turn on the pc and then boot from my usb with ubuntu 16.04 and then i click "Try Ubuntu" and i get spammed with those messages and then my screen just goes black and nothing happens
[19:57] <ioria> blackhole, but i'd purge it all and reinstall
[19:57] <TJ-> ioria: seen it; so file-system is clean. What is the actual problem? I see there's an EFI-SP in sda2
[19:57] <blackhole> ioria, and by purge all you mean nvidia-*
[19:57] <blackhole> ?
[19:57] <ioria> TJ-, this : https://imgur.com/gallery/ux9TokX
[19:58] <ioria> blackhole, yes, and then run autoremove --purge
[19:58] <blackhole> ioria, should I reboot before installing new driver?
[19:58] <ioria> blackhole, yes
[19:59] <blackhole> ok cool thanks
[19:59] <ioria> blackhole, wait ù
[19:59] <ioria> blackhole, what card do you have ?
[19:59] <blackhole> ioria, its GTX 1080
[19:59] <ioria> blackhole, wait ... it might not working with nouveau .... you then use nomodeset
[19:59] <TJ-> ioria: oh, is that all :)  There's a (unwanted) entry in /etc/crypttab for cryptswap1 - presumably because the system has switched to a /swapfile
[20:00] <ioria> TJ-, ihe's not using luks or encypron
[20:00] <ioria> *encryption
[20:01] <faekjarz> Hi! I chose "Minimal…" during Bionic LTS setup; i guess that's kind of a "tasksel" thing …installing a meta package, and its dependencies? Q: What would i "apt install", just in case i want the full, non-minimal, experience? (I've learned the hard way that ffmpegthumbnailer is not included in minimal, so i wonder what else…)
[20:01] <TJ-> ioria: mount the root-fs to /target and then "cat /target/etc/crypttab to confirm; if so, delete entry from file. Will need to create a chroot and then do update-initramfs -u -k <default-kernel-version> inside it to remove the entry from the initrd.img
[20:01] <blackhole> ioria, ok let me try that
[20:02] <TJ-> ioria: the other option is for the user to press Ctrl+D or type 'exit' to continue booting when hitting the busybox shell (that sometimes works so they can fix the system whilst it is booted)
[20:02] <ioria> TJ-,  pourjour is gone ....
[20:03] <ioria> TJ-, thanx anyways
[20:05] <bz-> hi, i am using ubuntu 18.10 in the latest vmware player (v.15). my laptop goes up to 3840x2160 resolution. when i boot ubuntu, sometimes it correctly activates this resolution, but many times it does not, and also does not provide the option in the list of available resolutions. is this a known issue of some kind with ubuntu itself? i have taken re
[20:05] <bz-> commendation from vmware, and have installed all necessary "vmware tools" etc
[20:05] <bz-> if anyone may assist, would be much obliged.
[20:09] <faekjarz> bz-: there's an, only remotely related, option in VirtualBox - mumbleMumble…viewport resize…somethingSomething - i know you're on vmware …just my few cents
[20:11] <bz-> hmm
[20:12] <bz-> i will check it out, i've tried all settings. it's weird. sometimes it picks up the correct resolution, other times it just craps out, and doesn't even provide it as an option
[20:12] <bz-> but you believe this is virtual machine related, and is not a known issue of ubuntu 18.10, right?
[20:12] <bz-> : )
[20:12] <banyantree> Hi Guys, it's me again: Id like to show the number of available updates in my polybar. I'm to stupid to find this thing with google =(
[20:16] <faekjarz> bz-: an OS ('s X server) can only process data - e.g. an array of available resolutions - that its "hardware" (virtualised or bare metal) provides …that's my vector
[20:16] <bz-> right. well, like i said, the host is set to 3840x2160; and ubuntu loads that,....sometimes......other times, it just doesn't : /
[20:16] <bz-> ok
[20:18] <Richard_Cavell> OerHeks, I'm following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting I logged in as another user and got no sound at all out of the computer.  Now I get this: https://ideone.com/mNM56r
[20:18] <bz-> it started happening after i upgraded from 18.04 to 18.10 : ( ......
[20:19] <bz-> hum
[20:19] <faekjarz> bz-: in VirtualBox i've observed variing Ubuntu (16.04) behaviour, depending on custom/maximised/fullscreen mode of the VMs window
[20:19] <bz-> yeah, sure......
[20:19] <bz-> ok, well, don't want to exhaust you, thanks for the help, was hoping there might be some other known issue or otherwise
[20:28] <banyantree> got it =) i found /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check
[20:29] <banyantree> then i can echo them in my polybar if the numbers are gt 0
[20:36] <feoh> Hi all! Finally have 18.10 running great on my Alienware 17 R5!
[20:37] <feoh> 4.19 release seems stable. Sleep works. I worked around the gdm bug (Wayland detection)
[20:37] <feoh> life is good :)
[20:46] <sruli> on openvpn client side how can i make only certain ip should use the vpn connection? i added to the system-connections/config file "route-nopull" and "route x.x.x.x" that seems to work for traffic to that ip but dns does not resolve for the rest of traffic
[20:58] <bz-> so my resolution issue has been manually resolved....unfortunately, i can't get it to automatically work. wrote a xrandr script to do the resolution
[21:00] <Lope> I'm trying to install a script on Ubuntu 18.04, that requires ffmpeg and libav-tools... how the hell can a project require BOTH?
[21:06] <blackflow> Lope: libav is also a ffmpeg lib
[21:07] <blackflow> Libav (capital L) is the fork
[21:18] <Lope> ok
[21:47] <cnnx> if I built a computer with 64gb of ram what will linux do with it
[21:47] <cnnx> the kernel
[21:49] <tomreyn> of course, a lot of servers has this much and more ram
[21:50] <tomreyn> *have
[21:54] <afx_> Hello! Has anyone of you have installed Ubuntu on an external ssd ? if so what is the rough performance drop compared to an internal drive?
[21:57] <balsaq> good evening ubuntites
[21:58] <squarecircle> heyo, I have some DisplayLink Graphicadapters, but running under debian stretch, as Debian is very similar to Ubuntu, does someone uses this devices and has some tips for debugging?
[22:03] <TJ-> squarecircle: are those the ones that require the proprietary drivers ?
[22:03] <squarecircle> TJ-: I dont know
[22:06] <squarecircle> TJ-: I think so
[22:07] <TJ-> squarecircle: have you installed the DisplayLink provided drivers?
[22:07] <squarecircle> TJ-: I might try
[22:08] <TJ-> squarecircle: from http://www.displaylink.com/downloads/ubuntu
[22:09] <squarecircle> TJ-: does it is a good Idea to install this on a Debian?
[22:09] <TJ-> squarecircle: You'd have to ask DisplayLink that
[22:10] <squarecircle> TJ-: well, I used the Debian wrapper script from AdnanHodznic
[22:10] <squarecircle> TJ-: I hoped the distro differences would be small here ^^
[22:11] <balsaq> didu try ubuntu to see if it makes it work
[22:11] <squarecircle> balsaq: yes it did not
[22:11] <Guest44577> Hey there! FYI: https://manpages.ubuntu.com/ -> Error code: SSL_ERROR_BAD_CERT_DOMAIN -> The certificate is only valid for changelogs.ubuntu.com
[22:11] <TJ-> squarecircle: it'll depend on the various software version that it depends on I guess
[22:12] <TJ-> squarecircle: is it a genuine DisplayLink product, or a fake/copy/knock-off that tries to implement the DL protocol?
[22:12] <TJ-> Guest44577: that ought to be reported to #canonical-sysadmin
[22:12] <squarecircle> Its a $80-USB-thing from HP
[22:13] <Guest44577> TJ-: Will do, thx
[22:13] <squarecircle> I hope they spend enough money for the genuine chips
[22:14] <squarecircle> It worked with Ubuntu 16.04 and Debian Stretch before
[22:14] <squarecircle> that what upsets me the most
[22:14] <balsaq> why would they take something away
[22:14] <balsaq> thats annoying
[22:15] <squarecircle> I'd change to Ubuntu, if it would work with 18.04
[22:15] <squarecircle> but I installed Ubuntu 18.04 earlier this day
[22:15] <balsaq> i cannot even adjudt my screen brightness in 18 04
[22:15] <balsaq> adjust
[22:15] <squarecircle> and installed the DisplayLink drivers - no result
[22:16] <balsaq> i wonder if it is because i did not allow it to download proprietsry drivers
[22:16] <balsaq> i wanted only ubnuntu drivers
[22:18] <balsaq> could that make my brightness adjustment not work?
[22:19] <compdoc> balsaq, that doesnt mean you cant download them, or that there were any to begin with
[22:19] <balsaq> squarecircle, what kind of hardware ru on
[22:20] <squarecircle> Lenovo ThinkPad T420 with Intel graphics and two HP USB Graphic Adapters
[22:20] <balsaq> thanks compdoc but i really want only ubuntu
[22:20] <balsaq> what are the graphic adapters for
[22:20] <balsaq> gaming?
[22:21] <compdoc> you have a video card or chip thats amde by intel or amd or whatever. and that company makes their won drivers
[22:21] <compdoc> *made
[22:22] <compdoc> *own
[22:22] <tomreyn> squarecircle: can you describe "HP USB Graphic Adapters" more closely? what's the lsusb output for them after running "sudo update-usbids"?
[22:22] <balsaq> so it lets run 2 discreet vid cards?
[22:22] <compdoc> the drivers give you speed and features, but if ubuntu driver work, then I agree, I would rather keep ubuntu driversz
[22:24] <TJ-> squarecircle: the DL web-site says the Ubuntu drivers are for 16.04 and 18.04
[22:24] <TJ-> squarecircle: so, if you're having problems, contact them, report the problem
[22:25] <squarecircle> tomreyn: "DisplayLink"
[22:25] <squarecircle> tomreyn: nothing more
[22:26] <tomreyn> squarecircle: that's very, very unlikely.
[22:26] <squarecircle> TJ-: I hope they create some open source drivers and the whole affair will be solved by plugging and playing this stuff
[22:26] <balsaq> as it should be squarecircle
[22:26] <TJ-> squarecircle: I doubt it; it is their 'valuable intellectual property'
[22:27] <texla> Is grub-configuration a legimate ppa program..in other words does it really work!
[22:31] <balsaq> texla, are you referring to older grub version 0.97?
[22:31] <balsaq> or grub2?
[22:32] <texla> balsaq, This is a ppa program designed for ubuntu 18.04 grub 2.02
[22:33] <squarecircle> is there a good alternative?
[22:33] <squarecircle> I'd like to have some four-ish screens on my development box
[22:34] <balsaq> ill bet there is a distro made spcifically for multi monitors or maybe ppl in arch who have built up systems like that from scratch
[22:34] <TJ-> squarecircle: I have a laptop driving 6 1920x1200 monitors. It has an ExpressCard > ViDock PCIe extender, that has an Nvidia NVS420 in
[22:35] <squarecircle> I mean hardware, thats compatible to a decent distro (debian/ubuntu)
[22:35] <TJ-> squarecircle: and a desktop with an NVS420 driving 4 monitors
[22:35] <balsaq> square canu get more generic adapters rather than the hp ?
[22:36] <squarecircle> hm, the ExpressCard deemed me very instable, but if it works properly, I'll give it a try
[22:36] <squarecircle> balsaq: as I have 8 of them here: :/
[22:36] <balsaq> 8 from hp?
[22:36] <squarecircle> balsaq: yes
[22:37] <balsaq> they like to make some things difficult
[22:37] <squarecircle> yes
[22:37] <balsaq> those adapters dont cost much though if u have to try a non hp right?
[22:38] <balsaq> i see them hanging off the backs of a million computers we toos out at work every year
[22:38] <squarecircle> the best thing is: I have output on one card from "Cannot process volume group root" to "/dev/mapper/root-root clean ..."
[22:38] <balsaq> be cool if a buddy would let u try a diff more generic brand and see what happens
[22:40] <TJ-> balsaq: generic brands of DL protocol devices are generally much worse; the DL drivers won't work with them for starters
[22:41] <squarecircle> balsaq: between $16 for a chinese noname to $100 for a more brand one
[22:42] <balsaq> yeah...when u said hp i just kinda shrugged they know how to make things not work unles u use all their stuff sometimes but thats prolly not this issue in this case
[22:43] <balsaq> ive seen OEMs like dell for example: i bouoght a zotec gtx 660 to add to the system and the screen would always stay black and never recognize it...but if i ordered a gtx 660 from dell (PNY brand) it works...for about 100 dollars more.
[22:44] <balsaq> they literally made the bios specific
[22:44] <balsaq> so that they knew i was screwed from the start but had me trying a ton of steps for hours
[22:44] <squarecircle> oh yeah, branded DDR2 FB DIMMs ! One of my boxes runs with 8GB, because its not accepting any sticks I try to feed it
[22:44] <squarecircle> :(
[22:44] <squarecircle> Fujitsu btw.
[22:45] <balsaq> so i only build desktops now
[22:46] <squarecircle> maybe, I should just by a Ryzen Box with a decent graphics card, instead of keeping alive my T420
[22:46] <balsaq> i know i wouldnt be interested in running lots of monitors off laptop  hehe
[22:46] <balsaq> thats just me though
[22:48] <balsaq> the brick on my 35w laptop looks so tiny and light
[22:49] <squarecircle> balsaq: I modded the T420 with an i7 QC and plugged in 16GB DDR3, it works fine for Developement
[22:49] <balsaq> wow ur good
[22:49] <balsaq> u opened thsat thing up huh
[22:49] <squarecircle> balsaq: the code runs later on some ~100 cores for testing
[22:50] <squarecircle> balsaq: so I worked with a Celeron for some weeks ...
[22:50] <balsaq> so the board on the t420 did not restrict u
[22:51] <squarecircle> no, the cooling has to work harder though
[22:51] <balsaq> is it i7 720q by any chance?
[22:52] <squarecircle> balsaq: i7 2630QM
[22:52] <businessaccount> where to put cpu microcode file on ubuntu
[22:54] <TJ-> businessaccount: under /lib/firmware/
[22:54] <TJ-> !info intel-microcode | businessaccount
[22:55] <squarecircle> thank you all for helpin
[22:55] <squarecircle> *helping
[22:55] <squarecircle> I'll leave it for tonight
[23:04] <tomreyn> businessaccount: there should be no need to do so manually, though
[23:04] <businessaccount> tomreyn: checking it
[23:05] <businessaccount> can you link to ubuntu 14 server minimal i686
[23:05] <businessaccount> is it an alternate cd
[23:05] <businessaccount> minimal
[23:08] <Bashing-om> businessaccount: See: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=intel-microcode&searchon=names&suite=trusty-updates&section=all . If this is an Intel based system .
[23:09] <businessaccount> Bashing-om: it looks like there is no i686 build in torrents
[23:10] <Bashing-om> businessaccount: What shows ' apt list intel-microcode ' ? As is in the repository .
[23:11] <businessaccount> yeah that shows in apt search
[23:11] <businessaccount> moving on
[23:11] <businessaccount> how about the ubuntu 14 i686 server minimal
[23:12] <businessaccount> is that an alternate cd
[23:14] <texla> Bashing-om, Is grub-configuration a legimate ppa program..in other words does it really work!
[23:15] <cryptodan_mobile> businessaccount: this is all that is available http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[23:15] <Bashing-om> texla: What works is to understand grub's config files .. and edit what you want :) I have never used any crutches .
[23:16] <texla> Bashing-om, thanks for the info
[23:16] <businessaccount> cryptodan_mobile: an i386 image
[23:16] <Bashing-om> texla: Not much help .. but I hope a push in the right direction .
[23:16] <cryptodan_mobile> The i386 just means 32bit
[23:19] <businessaccount> cryptodan_mobile: mayswell do the netboot image if nothing comes with source code
[23:20] <businessaccount> it looks like ubuntu went to the 3.13 dev kernel
[23:20] <businessaccount> the last dev takeover I guess
[23:20] <businessaccount> is the ubuntu dev around?
[23:20] <TJ-> businessaccount: what is a "dev takeover" !?
[23:20] <businessaccount> ubuntu 14 wasnt 3.13 kernel I take it in the past
[23:21] <businessaccount> I can check with an old ubuntu 14cd
[23:21] <TJ-> businessaccount: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Support
[23:21] <businessaccount> TJ-:  when somebody takes over the entire system
[23:21] <businessaccount> usually the dev
[23:22] <businessaccount> whoever hops in #ubuntu-dev
[23:22] <businessaccount> 3.13 was a specific dev kernel which was packeged for custom kernel compilation
[23:22] <businessaccount> it was funny because it wasn't the same as the production kernel
[23:22] <TJ-> businessaccount: I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about!
[23:23] <TJ-> businessaccount: 3.13 was the Generally Available (GA) kernel at the release of 14.04
[23:23] <businessaccount> I am seeking something I can rebuild on an atom cpu, something minimal without gigabytes of junk
[23:24] <TJ-> businessaccount: the kernel images are about 20MB
[23:26] <businessaccount> TJ-: the image is 20mb built but how big is the code
[23:27] <TJ-> businessaccount: what specific CPU model do you want this for, that isn't supported by the Ubuntu kernel?
[23:27] <businessaccount> most of this is supposed to have the sourcecode with it if it is gpl
[23:28] <TJ-> businessaccount: all source code is available
[23:28] <businessaccount> crux looks like the only distro doing so
[23:30] <businessaccount> yeah so if I download the minimal netboot I can pull the sourcecodes
[23:31] <businessaccount> this is running ubuntu now using ubuntu to rebuild ubuntu is fair enough right
[23:32] <cryptodan_mobile> You can do that via www.kernel.org
[23:32] <Bashing-om> businessaccount: 'buntu - pull the source from the repo .
[23:33] <businessaccount> Bashing-om: yeah
[23:33] <TJ-> businessaccount: if you've enabled the source-code packages in the apt package-manager's /etc/apt/sources.list with "deb-src ..." lines you can then just do "apt-get source <package-name>"
[23:34] <businessaccount> so what is with the netboot having nearly a version for every backversion of the kernel like utopic 3.16
[23:34] <businessaccount> still considered ubuntu 14
[23:34] <cryptodan_mobile> businessaccount: you can get the kernel source from www.kernel.org
[23:35] <TJ-> those kernel versions are the HWE and point release kernels - they are detailed in the link I gave you
[23:35] <businessaccount> cryptodan_mobile: we need to stop doing that , pointing at somebody elses code
[23:35] <businessaccount> that is not the ubuntu kernel
[23:36] <cryptodan_mobile> It's the linux kernel where do you think ubuntu and other flavors get it from
[23:36] <businessaccount> we need to stop pretending to follow gpl by pointing at code from entirely different projects
[23:37] <businessaccount> you sound something like advanced techniocal support for the major mobile phone providers, all they do is point at a sticker on the phone and claim they dont support anything
[23:37] <businessaccount> i.e. "not our problem (points) look at the sticker"
[23:38] <cryptodan_mobile> Kernel.org is the official place to get the kernel source code for situations like you are presenting to us
[23:38] <businessaccount> no it is not
[23:38] <businessaccount> that is not ubuntu
[23:38] <cryptodan_mobile> Yes it is
[23:39] <cryptodan_mobile> You can compile the kernel from kernel.org to your liking
[23:39] <cryptodan_mobile> Build in support for whatever you want to support for any hardware you want
[23:42] <businessaccount> potheads running around slamming doors
[23:42] <TJ-> businessaccount: what is the issue you're actually trying to solve? Is it a 32-bit CPU without PAE support?
[23:42] <businessaccount> dope smokers on payrolls
[23:43] <kk4ewt> give them a pee test and get rid of them then
[23:45] <jaherron> #join #lubuntu
[23:49] <Rhapsody> Does anyone here use the Adapta theme?