=== Guest44577 is now known as kryptopraxis [00:05] apt search and regexes... how can i find stdlibc++6? stdlibc\+\+6 not showing anything either... [00:06] How do I go about changing the font used in GNOME? I've used GNOME Tweaks to change the font in applications and such, but that doesn't change it in GNOME. So I've followed the guide here; https://www.maketecheasier.com/change-the-fonts-in-gnome3/ [00:07] Apparently doing that is supposed to change the font used in GNOME, I'm using the clock in the top middle as an indicator. There's no change, even if I change the font size. [00:08] Hm, I see, that's for the default theme... Needs to be for the theme I'm using. [00:42] hi guys [00:53] So I'm looking to do some gaming on Ubuntu. I have an AMD 390X GPU. I'm wondering where I need to install graphics drivers or whether Ubuntu already handled it for me? Additionally, in the situation that I *do* need to install drivers from AMD, do I use the regular or pro variant? I'm a bit confused here. [01:01] Rhapsody: Yes both ways :) That card also supports the proprietary overlay. https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2404547 to get some hints . [01:02] Bashing-om: It's mostly a matter of which is more ideal for performance [01:02] I'll check out that link though, thanks [01:05] Rhapsody: At this point you should hve the AMDgpu driver ... now on top of that one "MAY" install amdgpu-pro on supportd GCN cards . [01:05] Any way to confirm that? [01:17] Rhapsody: kinda old but should suffice: http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx [01:20] how to specify a specific kernel modul to be loaded at boot [01:26] businessaccount: Choose an alternate kernel from the grub boot menu's "advanced" options. [01:26] according to the online support the qcserial driver needs the usb identifier compiled into the module from the linux source code, but if that is so why do some posts claim to have had it working without mention of conmpiling kernel code [01:27] Bashing-om: does adding it to /etc/modules not work anymore? [01:29] businessaccount: Sorry, never known of such a thing as adding a module to boot a kernel . [01:30] ok [01:30] the module is to be loaded at boot [01:31] though according to documentation it needs to be recompiled from source after adding a usb identifier into the sourcecode [01:31] it looks to me this is how android phones work [01:31] same deal [01:32] qualcomm serial [01:32] which somewhat explains why android lacks many real features of a mobile telephone network [01:33] hey all [01:35] hi swift110 [01:36] how are you bucketm0use [01:36] how are you businessaccount [01:36] arm cpu has about just enough power to rendur animatind call them apps [01:38] most of it is app glu [01:38] webpages downgraded to show on a phone [01:39] swift110: vanguard is trading high [01:41] Web pages arent downgraded to work on mobiles they are designed so they can work on smaller then normal desktop screens [01:45] swift110: did they poot a little extra boost in your coffee [01:46] oh goodness cryptodan_mobile is here [01:46] Hi [01:48] how are you CrypticS_ [01:48] how are you cryptodan_mobile [01:49] Great [01:49] any way to increas max valume on unbunt? [01:49] does ubuntu 16 xenial have the kernel headers ready to rebuild a kenel module against the generic kernel [01:49] increase max vol. on Ubuntu? [01:49] good to hear cryptodan_mobile I am looking for a new job [01:49] or is it 18 xenial [01:49] ubuntu xenial [01:50] 18 is bionic [01:51] And you can check for headers in synaptic [01:51] Good luck swift110 [01:54] anyone know hotkey to show the desktop? [01:55] thanks cryptodan_mobile [02:07] the qcserial module requires an USB ID in the module for it to work [02:07] though of 84 people using it around the time of maverick I don't see any questions about compiling the module [02:07] funny [02:08] anyhow it is not listed by lsusb [02:09] apparently HP had a specific tailored ubuntu for it's machines which is nowhwere to be found [02:11] there is mention of the tailored ubuntu with the qcserial built for HP netbooks but the image is nowhere found === daniel is now known as Guest53656 === nickNolte1 is now known as nickNolte [02:18] hey does utopic unicorn 3.16 coincide with the kernel version of the oldest debian stable 3.16 [02:18] it looks like mini.iso can backport to utopic [02:19] does that give a kernel code compatibility out into debian if I use it [02:20] Can ubuntu live hot swam sata cd drives? [02:20] Swap [02:22] bray90820: if the hardware supports it [02:22] that is most likely a function of the bios [02:22] Alright thanks [02:24] Does anyone know how to change the taskbar so that active applications have something like this instead of the orange dots they currently have? https://camo.githubusercontent.com/b07bd2390cdd348e6404e46a97e3f35d2be5c25e/687474703a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f7444314f4251332e706e67 === caravena_ is now known as caravena [02:49] any chance someone could help me understand what set -x means here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FB9SsQwQCY/ [02:52] No manual entry for set :/ === xinlu is now known as BOSNA === capella|away is now known as capellasFetid [03:51] Hey guys! I've just installed i3wm, I wanted to launch dmenu from it so I edited the /i3/config file. But, when I restart i3, it shows me an error [03:51] ERROR: Duplicate keybinding in config file: [03:51] state mask 0x40 with keysym d, command "exec dmenu_run" [03:51] ERROR: FYI: You are using i3 version 4.14.1 (2017-09-24) [03:52] though, demenu starts with no problem [03:52] It's just that it shows this error [03:54] Hello, I am using Ubuntu Budgie 18.10, and using two monitors HP EliteDisplay E221 [03:54] but the colors look so different on both [03:54] I tried switching the cables but no luck [03:54] Any help? [03:55] Mr_Cyclops: Change the monitor settings maybe? [03:55] they are exactly the same make and model, using the same color profiles [03:55] Could be a bit more specific? Change what setting? [03:56] mohnish, I checked all of that, item by item, same to same on both, but no luck [03:56] Mr_Cyclops: I don't know sir, I just tried to help you, besides I'm here for my problem too [03:57] np, thanks [03:57] Okay === pwater is now known as piercedwater === capellasFetid is now known as capellaHaunts [05:44] morning cfhowlett [05:45] yowza ^3 lotuspsychje [05:46] Testing ident...? [05:46] !testing | davenall [05:46] davenall: To test your hardware, you can use the packages memtest86+ (for memory, can be started from the !GRUB boot menu), smartmontools (for hard drives), cpuburn (which MIGHT damage your processor if cooling is not adequate!). Additionally, lm-sensors can be useful to monitor temperatures and fan speeds - See also !benchmark [05:46] lol what [05:46] No I was just testing my nickserv thing [05:47] davenall, use /msg nickserv and it will stay private [05:47] I didn't know I had to ident every single time I connected so I was having issues [05:47] ah, that. too many trolls = login each and every time [05:48] Yeah I get it, I'm just new to IRC so I was confused because I registered yesterday and then it was saying unregistered, but I identified and I'm all good now :) [05:53] davenall: welcome to the ubuntu community === imsurit_ofc1 is now known as imsurit_ofc [05:54] davenall: this channel you can use to ask ubuntu support questions [05:54] can someone tell me what set does or set -x there is no manual for set [05:55] Thanks! Doubtful I'll be asking any questions, but I'm happy to help answer them [05:55] csquid, no context = no answer. more details are needed [05:56] davenall: the welcome suits for volunteers also, ask or help can both be done here [05:56] cfhowlett: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dJkZWRnWJr/ [05:56] cfhowlett: whats the point of set -x [05:56] It echoes every command to the screen as it executes [05:57] !cookie | davenall nice one! [05:57] davenall nice one!: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! [05:58] thats odd, wonder why they would have it do that when its in rc.local, normaly you wouldnt even see it? or will you see it in post? [06:00] hi all [06:00] running ubuntu 18.04 but I have to start the system using pci=nomsi [06:00] anyway I can not do that [06:01] !bootoptions | jeanre [06:01] jeanre: For a list and explanation on some of the boot options, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions See also !nomodeset. [06:01] because currently I have major performance issues [06:01] micro lockups each few seconds etc.. [06:02] and tons of errors surrounding snap packages [06:02] chromium_chromium.desktop[2594]: [2594:2934:1028/080218.805720:ERROR:process_singleton_posix.cc(608)] accept() failed: Operation not permitted (1) [06:02] it spams the syslog [06:03] this is a fresh install [06:03] no kernel customizations etc.. [06:04] I am not sure what to do in this case [06:04] jeanre: did you install the chromium snap urselfyo [06:04] yourself [06:05] from the store yes [06:05] but its not just that [06:05] the gnome system monitor does the same [06:05] has the same errors [06:05] davenall: i tried this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fHQB4Jm4gk/ with set -x and without, it did not echo tmux new -d before executing when set -x in place [06:05] jeanre: gnome system monitor is now a snap by default [06:06] !pm | jeanre [06:06] jeanre: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers, and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. [06:06] ye most apps are [06:06] https://i.imgur.com/Lasw3Xu.png [06:07] freaks me out a little that I can see the CPU spike and lock up [06:09] this is crazy [06:09] jeanre: are you admin of the system? [06:10] yes its a desktop machien [06:10] *machine [06:11] I need to fix the snap errros [06:11] jeanre: did you reboot after your snap install [06:11] and then I need to fix the nomsi crap [06:11] no [06:12] jeanre: try also to compare chromium snap vs the apt version [06:12] let me reboot [06:14] so I rebooted the logs seem better [06:15] now the issue is the pci=nomsi [06:17] anyone have any ideas? [06:18] https://askubuntu.com/questions/771899/pcie-bus-error-severity-corrected [06:19] jeanre: you might wanna idle here till TJ- wakes up he's our bootoptions expert :p [06:20] the issue is, that I think it affects performance [06:22] adding the graphics PPA now and seeing if I upgrade to 396 [06:23] jeanre: wich driver does your system reccomend: ubuntu-drivers list ? [06:25] 390 [06:25] nvidia [06:25] jeanre: and your card chipset? [06:26] nvidia gtx 1060 [06:26] ok think 396 can be tested too [06:26] see wich one performs best :p [06:27] issue is why do I need nomsi [06:29] hi i have a weird problem , after the recent update my wifi dongle doesnt connect to my router doesnt even find it finds everything else i teather except my router please help me fix this [06:29] vegombrei: chipset and ubuntu verion/kernel please? [06:29] version [06:30] jeanre: join #ubuntu-discuss and wait for TJ- [06:39] lotuspsychje: how to see that bro im a noob [06:39] vegombrei, /join #ubuntu-discuss [06:40] vegombrei: sudo lshw -C network && uname -a [06:40] !paste | vegombrei [06:40] vegombrei: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [06:44] lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y9x3Qr2DbZ/ [06:44] took a while to figure that out im getting good [06:46] lotuspsychje: you saw? [06:46] vegombrei: yeah, seems like an atheros chipset [06:47] !atheros | vegombrei [06:47] vegombrei: Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [06:47] atheros is not particularly ubuntu friendly === capellaHaunts is now known as capella|away [06:47] vegombrei: might be a wrestling game with firmwares [06:48] lotuspsychje: weird it was working all my life until last night , wifi works im tethering thru my cell phone ... the wifi just doesnt find my router [06:49] vegombrei: can you recall what happened before, after an upgrade for example? [06:49] lotuspsychje: everything else finds my router thats so wierd, [06:50] vegombrei: try this: tail -f /var/log/syslog and plugout and back in your wifi stick to see relevant errors [06:52] lotuspsychje: not really stuff seemed normal it asked for an update i gave my password and then they just stopped being friends [06:53] I want to update opera along with the other system updates. how? [06:54] lotuspsychje: everything else is friends with the router except the pc, pc can even tether from tablet and mobile but refuses to find the router its weird they just stopped being friends [06:54] cedxa, sudo apt dist-upgrade would do it [06:54] cfhowlett: ok tq [06:54] happy2help! [06:55] vegombrei: you might wanna lookup your dpkg logs to see whats last installed, that could have broken [07:02] lotuspsychje: i did that that thing you said and unplugged the wifi dongle and back in and saw lots of text stuff but it still doesnt find my router [07:03] lotuspsychje: ya think i should just download the new one format my system and reinstall? [07:05] hi all. the line : "modinfo iwlwifi" will show the drivers being used right? === Class7_ is now known as Class7 [07:36] hey im trying to upgrade to 18.10 from 18.04, and the upgrade won't allow because of held broken packages.. [07:36] https://pastebin.com/Z32n03pR those are my broken packages and I have no idea how to fix [07:38] did you try running fix? [07:38] apt install -f [07:38] yes, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [07:39] So they aren't actually broken, they'll break on upgrade [07:39] ok.. so is there anything I can do? [07:40] lotuspsychje: seems it was my wifi card [07:40] ccb0x45: purge all ppas (don't just disable them) [07:41] how do I do that? [07:41] I have ppa-purge [07:42] !ppa-purge [07:42] To disable a PPA from your sources and revert your packages back to default Ubuntu packages, install ppa-purge and use the command: « sudo ppa-purge ppa:/ » – For more information, see http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html [07:42] ccb0x45 Only checked xorg-video-abi, but that package at least isn't in official repos, so I'm guessing that ducasse is right and it's a PPA issue [07:42] how do I know which ppa's to purge? [07:43] ccb0x45: _all_ of them, is what is recommended before upgrading [07:43] every single ppa I have? [07:43] it's best to [07:43] ok [07:43] ccb0x45: at least those who replace repo packages [07:43] if a PPA doesn't have a candidate for the version you're upgrading to, it can cause all sorts of fun issues [07:44] ccb0x45: if it just installs a single package that doesn't already exist in the repos, it's probably not a big deal [07:47] Hi all, I'm running Xubuntu 18.04.1 on a Dell XPS laptop. Bluetooth worked fine for months, but sometimes machine boots up with bluetooth not working (or after suspend to ram). Rebooting usually solves it, but this time it isn't [07:47] and this command no longer works: 'sudo service /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart' ---> Failed to restart etc-init.d-bluetooth.service.mount: Unit etc-init.d-bluetooth.service.mount not found [07:47] Any thoughts? [07:48] blip99: did you run an update recently? [07:48] thanks guys [07:48] I found the ppa causing the issue, I didn't have many [07:48] ccb0x45: yw [07:48] evertiro, yes but nothign drastic just weekly updates (maybe it updated the kernel though) [07:49] another question, what is generally considered generally better, for ATI gpus, running the closed source drivers or open source drivers? [07:50] blip99: wait a second... are you seriously using the full path in that commnad? [07:50] should be just sudo service bluetooth restart [07:50] ccb0x45: in most cases, open source [07:50] @ducasse, is that for performance? [07:51] I wanted to run the open source, but when I installed 18.04 it was crashing when i moved the mouse at the login screen(black screen) if I didn't nomodeset [07:51] ccb0x45: aiui there are only a few cards the closed source driver works with anyway, and it tends to take a while to work on new releases [07:52] ill try my luck at the open source driver on 18.10 I guess [07:53] ccb0x45: i don't think amdgpu-pro works on 18.10 yet anyway [07:54] uh oh.. if the crash comes back then I might be out of luck [07:54] evertiro, oh lol. ok that ocmmand worked, but still no bt. can you please help me check if the correct daemons are running? i'm so confused by the 1000 cli commands with blue in the name [07:54] ccb0x45: if it does you should file a bug [07:55] ok [07:55] evertiro, the gui tools i have on XFCE is blueman-manager. I opened that, it asked me to enable Bluetooth (I pressed yes to enable). but the interface isn't usable, buttons not clickable [07:56] evertiro, bluetoothctl 'list' shows no controllers. strange === MuffinPimp_ is now known as MuffinPimp [08:27] what's a good PHP editor for ubuntu that allows auto complete of variables [08:27] I use atom, but there's lots out there. [08:41] vscode [08:42] JadedJ: (g|n)vim [08:42] emacs if you are the religious kind [09:15] how to access /home/[username]/.local? [09:15] this folder isn't shown in built-in Files app. [09:15] *app Files [09:16] (I mean, without terminal) [09:16] FishBone000: because hidden files are hidden by default? turn it on. [09:16] how then? [09:16] varies. [09:16] try right clicking and see if it's there. [10:40] my new wallpaper for ubuntu https://imgur.com/a/Mn3C5q7 [10:59] hi, if using ubuntu 16.04 how can i use a newer openvpn version? i always prefer to install with apt-get so packages get updated automatic when it is needed, so i rather not install from source or something [11:03] ah ok, found it: https://gist.github.com/cyrex562/c8b3c0b1a02a4367a35b0ebec7286c33 [11:04] uberwag, maybe this will help https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/OpenvpnSoftwareRepos (note: I don't use openvpn, but i see it allows you to choose release) [11:07] does ubuntu have a widget that displays you hardware and temps etc...on a running display on the desktop? [11:10] balsaq: multiple [11:13] balsaq, e.g. xsensors [11:16] modified systemd startup, removed 5 unwanted services: before: 2.837s (kernel) + 9.168s (userspace) = 12.005s graphical.target after 9.036s in userspace after: 3.149s (kernel) + 2.613s (userspace) = 5.763 graphical.target after 2.587s in userspace [11:19] not shown: the 40 sec spent in firmware :p [11:19] :) [11:19] intel nuc so it doesnt spend that much before handing over to the kernel [11:20] mine is taking to long to staart with a long pause at boot up wth is that i have assd and it takes at least 30 sec shoiuld only take 10-15 sec to boot? [11:20] im using a ssd [11:21] why is ubuntu slowto boot up? [11:21] systemd-analyze blame, plot etc [11:21] can i fic it [11:21] i may go back to win 10 for that reason alone [11:21] balsaq: guess out of the blue, you have dhcp configured and it cannot locate the dhcp server? [11:22] default timeout for some stupid reason is 30 seconds [11:22] which is fun, not! [11:22] blank purple screen while booting just pauses right there [11:22] are these guys on drugs [11:22] noone wants that in their OS [11:22] remove splash from /etc/default/grub and run sudo update-grub2 and reboot [11:22] now you should see some text on what its doing [11:23] systemd-analyze plot > boot.html then open it in your browser [11:23] i dont know how to do that [11:24] Apachez, i did not configure anything i am using ubnuntu as it came from ubuntu as is [11:24] this pause seesm to built right in by the dev team [11:26] systemd-analyze plot this CMD basicaly filly my screen with pages and i mean pages of nonsense [11:26] enough to write a novel [11:27] balsaq: note that I also wrote "> boot.html" [11:27] and "then open it in your browser" [11:27] it being the boot.html file [11:28] 'how do i open in browser [11:28] i had to remove that boot html to even run the cmd [11:28] open your browser, type in the path to the file, or on a terminal do " path/to/the/file" [11:28] no you did not [11:29] it would not run with that last line in there [11:29] `systemd-analyze plot > boot.html` will work just fine unless you are using a completely broken shell that doesn't support > redirection [11:29] what is the file path thst i type ive goat novel here [11:29] or did it? [11:29] ill try again [11:29] this is strictly offtopic, but is there any chat for c++ here or elsewhere? I am struggling to understand pieces of code from documentation and can't find my way through generic and formal explanation of cppreference :( [11:29] wait [11:30] balsaq: what actually hapnd [11:30] sry im eatn chkn [11:30] well, techically should > boot.svg since it is svg and not html [11:30] when i did what he said NOTHING then iremoved the arroes and boot html and it gave ne TONS of info [11:31] balsaq: then it worked [11:31] > redirects std output [11:31] "systemd-analyze [OPTIONS...] plot [> file.svg]" -- the man page [11:31] yeah it gsave me tons of date [11:31] but nothing has changed thois slow boot [11:31] balsaq: firefox boot.html [11:31] in this case to a file called boot.html [11:31] what cmd do i run [11:31] lets start there [11:31] balsaq: plot shows a graphical output of what is taking time during boot [11:32] it shows about 5000 words yes [11:32] if you dont understand that then put that svg on imgur and give a link to that in here and some other might be able to help you out [11:32] yeah words are difficult if you are being ignorant [11:32] u want that massive text that ran in terminal [11:33] Apachez, go eat some coco puffs [11:33] ur having an attitude dude [11:33] no he made comment [11:33] and dont wanna learn [11:33] EriC^: the best kind of trolls :) [11:34] the ignorant who dont want to learn :D [11:34] now showing on netflix ;) [11:34] im reading my terminal [11:34] balsaq: systemd-analyze plot | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw [11:35] the post the url it gives you [11:35] it will say url: [11:35] curl cannot be found [11:36] balsaq: the systemd command plots the various services that run and how long they take, run the command, open the image in your browser/image viewer [11:36] suda apt install curl [11:36] wants me to install curl [11:36] say yes [11:38] appears to have installed i [11:38] i installed apparmor, but when i check apparmor_status, i get: apparmor module is not loaded. [11:38] ubuntu 16.04 [11:38] on openvz vps [11:39] i cannot use apparmor on openvz? [11:39] uberwag: you are stuck with whatever the host support, if they don't support apparmor then you can't do nothing about it [11:39] * eviladmin suggests not using openvz [11:39] uberwag: stuck on a 2.6 kernel too btw? [11:40] eviladmin: yes [11:40] even more reason to find a better host [11:40] yea.. [11:40] kvm isn't that much more expensive usually [11:40] any attempt to upgrade 18.04 will fail on such a host? [11:41] not sure what the minimum kernel version for the glibc in 18.04 is [11:41] but when you can get a kvm host from 10€/year.. [11:43] date: 2018-10-28T11:39:23.060689+00:00 [11:43] digest: e14e5d310dd43afa0166c2d845b16933dbcf280a [11:43] long: AOFOXTEN1Dr6AWbC2EWxaTPbzygK [11:43] short: zygK [11:43] size: 107553 [11:43] status: created [11:43] eviladmin: that is very cheap, where you found that? [11:43] uberwag: pops up on lowend from time to time [11:43] ok [11:44] those that are that cheap are usually quite limited though, more common is 5/month for a decent one [11:44] yea [11:44] i dont see how that information can help stop the lag in my boot but there it is [11:44] balsaq: post only the bit that say url: [11:44] you didn't post that because you got hit by the anti-spam bot [11:45] ok but i dont see url on here i ll read it again' [11:45] url: https://ptpb.pw/zygK [11:45] it says url: right under the line that says status: create [11:45] d [11:45] https://ptpb.pw/zygK.svg with rendering [11:46] the bright red are the things that blocks [11:46] is incredible that u have to know all this to get buntu to run right [11:46] disabeling plymouth may help quite a bit it seems [11:46] how do i disable plymouth [11:47] also your claim of "lag" is clearly false, as it boots in 12.4 seconds in total [11:47] maybe you are confused by your firmware being really slow? [11:47] and/or it having a timed spash screen [11:47] then why does it stick on purple screen for so long like 30 secs [11:47] before you get to the bootloader? [11:47] if so, try upgrading the firmware [11:48] its a intel i5 with ssd [11:48] BOOT DOZE IN 15 SEC [11:48] total time from off to deskto p is what i mean [11:48] no idea where i u got that 12 sec [11:48] takes me at least 30 sec or more [11:48] ill reboot and write it all down [11:49] Startup finished in 2.572s (kernel) + 9.869s (userspace) = 12.442s graphical.target reached after 9.857s in userspa [11:49] yeah but take lot longer to get to my desktop [11:49] note: does not include whatever your firmware and bootloader is doing [11:49] so u want me to update my ssd? [11:49] no [11:50] check for a firmware update for your motherboard [11:50] there are no more of those [11:50] also see if it has some splash screen with a timeout configured [11:50] i did that when i took win 10 [11:50] eviladmin: i paid for this openvz for quite a long period, can i somehow still use it in a secure way? i already got firewall in place, but with lower kernel, modules not loading - is this a big security risk, or is it ok to still use such a box? [11:50] uberwag: personally I would not trust anything openvz [11:50] if there is splash screen config it came with 18.04 as i added nothing [11:51] ok [11:51] though arguably you should not trust any hosting company / vps seller [11:51] though how paranoid you should be depends on what you are hosting :) [11:52] yes ok [11:52] i host pictures of cats << [11:52] beside the security issues, openvz with ancient kernel are just a giant pain to deal with [11:52] i just stopped using an openvz host yesterday because it was so oversold that it would often take 30 seconds to respond to the 'uptime' command. wonder if i can do a paypal chargeback [11:53] bad performance, lacks features, can't use out of tree modules etc [11:53]