[07:36] <didrocks> good morning
[08:00] <ricotz> good morning desktopers
[08:01]  * ricotz wonders where is "Drowsy Donkey"
[08:15] <didrocks> hey ricotz
[08:16] <duflu> Hi didrocks, hi ricotz
[08:16] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:50] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:56] <willcooke> morning all
[08:57] <willcooke> didrocks, https://github.com/micheleg/dash-to-dock/commit/6598b156a7734fd59091aed4e00f11538190345b
[08:57] <willcooke> \o/ \o/ \o/
[08:57] <seb128> hey willcooke, already back on local tz?
[08:57] <willcooke> seb128, nearly.  Stupid day light savings now :((
[08:57] <seb128> haha
[09:01] <Laney> hullo
[09:01] <willcooke> morning Laney
[09:02] <didrocks> hey seb128, willcooke, nice!
[09:02] <duflu> Hi seb128 and willcooke
[09:02] <seb128> hey Laney, duflu, lut didrocks
[09:03] <duflu> This is weird. I can't build mutter while running Nvidia because it keeps crashing my kernel
[09:03] <duflu> Only building is the problem
[09:05] <willcooke> yikes
[09:08] <Laney> hey willcooke didrocks seb128 duflu
[09:08] <duflu> Hi Laney
[09:08] <duflu> willcooke, also IBM acquired RedHat
[09:08] <duflu> Kind of past tense... it's a long process
[09:10] <seb128> that one feels weird to me
[09:10] <seb128> RH has solid results and is expensive, I didn't think they would be to buy
[09:11] <seb128> crazy capitalist world!
[09:11] <duflu> Less surprising than <latest overvalued socials site> being acquired
[09:12] <duflu> (insert your own)
[09:12] <seb128> well, those it's clear why they sell
[09:12] <seb128> turning a business that doesn't generate profits into a pile of cash
[09:13] <seb128> and the facebook&co who buy just have too much money and can afford to spend it to try to keep their lead, even if what they buy isn't successful at least it's not going to be competing with them
[09:14] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[09:14] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[09:15] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[09:16] <Laney> ffs
[09:16] <Laney> update-manager just started while I was typing
[09:16] <seb128> stole focus?
[09:16] <Laney> Install Now was the active button, and pressing space selected it
[09:16] <Laney> so now I'm installing updates, yay!
[09:16] <seb128> shrug
[10:18] <seb128> duflu, bug #1800277 doesn't look like one where we need to system details, do we?
[10:20] <duflu> seb128, I'm not spending enough time on it to be sure. It's just easier to track bugs without understanding them if they are tagged correctly. Hence apport helps
[10:21] <seb128> right, I'm unsure I like that way of triaging though, it's similar to what kernel is doing
[10:21] <seb128> you start by receiving a "please test the latest upstream kernel from <...>" even if from reading the description it should be clear what the issue is and that testing a new kernel has no point
[10:21] <seb128> like "please backport that commit" which is an obvious to triage issue
[10:22] <duflu> seb128, do whatever you like with it. My goal is for such bugs to not occupy my time, but also to not linger without such basic details
[10:23] <seb128> k, well I think it's rude to the submitter to "incomplete" a bug that has an useful description and isn't incomplete
[10:23] <seb128> anyway, I reopened it/commented
[10:23] <seb128> sorry for the noise
[10:28] <duflu> seb128, I did not suggest upstream because I was not sure the reporter has the correct package there. And upstream gets enough bogus reports from us, so I'm a bit cautious there
[10:29] <duflu> It may be a Xorg issue...?
[10:33] <duflu> Also, a large percentage of bugs end up being abandoned by the reporter. The fastest way to close those is to know which release it was relevant to and wait till EOL
[10:54] <Trevinho> aloha
[10:55] <duflu> Selamat pagi, Trevinho
[10:58] <oSoMoN> good morning Trevinho
[11:09] <jibel> the dock is on top of the lock screen. Anyone's seen that before?
[11:11] <xnox> jibel, i have had that during release week. andyrock was looking into that.
[11:11] <xnox> jibel, for me, restarting gnome-shell "fixed it"
[11:11] <jibel> xnox, just the dock?
[11:11] <xnox> jibel, yes.
[11:17] <duflu> jibel, yes happened to me at least once. See also bug 1769383
[11:18] <duflu> Huh. Gitlab is rejecting uploads. That's a good time to say good night
[12:02] <willcooke> woah
[12:03] <willcooke> seb128, do you remember a while back I said that all my home dir stuff had moved in to the "Templates" directory
[12:03] <willcooke> and we said it was probably because I mashed the keyboard
[12:03] <willcooke> well, it's done it again
[12:03] <willcooke> and I was doing expenses last time it happened I think
[12:03] <willcooke> and am doing so again
[12:03] <willcooke> I need to dig in to this
[12:10] <oSoMoN> expensify easter egg?
[12:11] <didrocks> cleanify
[12:43] <willcooke> :D
[13:01] <seb128> willcooke, do you dnd images from the desktop to expensify or something?
[13:03] <willcooke> nah, but I use Gimp to grab screenshots from the credit card for actual transactions, so I wonder if it's something in Gimp
[13:10] <seb128> using gimp as a snap?
[13:32] <jibel> "something" keeps disabling my gnome-shell extensions. Any idea what could reset those?
[13:33] <didrocks> are they still listed in the gsettings key?
[13:34] <seb128> the lock screen is supposed to unload them and restore them, but that shouldn't change the config
[13:34] <seb128> do they keep being disabled after a session restart?
[13:34] <seb128> which I guess is basically Didier's question
[13:34] <didrocks> yep
[13:34] <didrocks> gsettings get org.gnome.shell enabled-extensions
[13:34] <jibel> yes
[13:36] <jibel> also I need to unlock the session twice to unlock. On first attempt I get an aubergine screen without any widget, then on second attempt password field, buttons, labels are displayed.
[13:36] <jibel> it's really in a weird state.
[13:36] <jibel> I'll reboot
[13:36] <seb128> no
[13:36] <seb128> don't
[13:37] <jibel> ok
[13:37] <jibel> :)
[13:37] <seb128> get Trevinho or andyrock to have a look while it's buggy
[13:37] <seb128> they might be able to get useful info out of the system while it's in this state
[13:37] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock, ^ could you see if you can help debugging that problem? or at least get the info that could be useful for the bug report/working on it later?
[13:38] <jibel> argh
[13:38] <jibel> oct. 29 14:38:02 sark kernel: gnome-tweaks[10495]: segfault at f0 ip 00007f3ee211e102 sp 00007ffc9af35118 error 4 in libgdk-3.so.0.2400.1[7f3ee20ff000+78000]
[13:38] <jibel> oct. 29 14:38:02 sark kernel: Code: 89 df e8 61 3d fe ff e9 ad fd ff ff 66 66 2e 0f 1f 84 00 00 00 00 00 90 48 8b 87 f0 00 00 00 c3 0f 1f 84 00 00 00 00 00 31 c0 <48> 39 bf f0 00 00 00 0f 94 c0 c3 0f 1f 00 41 55 41 54 55 48 89 f5
[13:38] <jibel> oct. 29 14:38:11 sark gnome-shell[6838]: JS ERROR: TypeError: windowActor is null
[13:39] <jibel> Trevinho, andyrock so in summary 2 issues, maybe related: 1. I need to unlock twice to unlock the session 2. After unlock the extensions are all disabled
[13:41] <andyrock> jibel: is dash-to-dock the only extension still enabled?
[13:42] <andyrock> jibel: if you can send us the full logs
[13:47] <jibel> andyrock, full log of what?
[13:48] <jibel> andyrock, that's all the extensions I have https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cHQRxBBPvG/
[13:48] <andyrock> jibel: journalctl
[13:48] <jibel> k, I'll file a bug and attach the logs
[13:49] <jibel> easier than irc
[13:49] <Trevinho> Looking also
[13:49] <andyrock> kk, I'll try to reproduce it using your current set of extensions
[13:49] <andyrock> but after lunch
[14:07] <jibel> andyrock, Trevinho bug 1800475 and bug 1800477
[14:14] <Laney> ~.
[14:14] <Laney> ooh
[14:14] <Laney> it came back to life
[15:43] <Trevinho> ssh cage?
[15:51] <seb128> Trevinho, ?
[15:51] <Trevinho> seb128: as per l_aney's ~.
[15:56] <seb128> ah
[17:37] <xnox> seb128, marked https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1800297 invalid; `sudo` group means Admin on ubuntu.
[17:37] <xnox> and that's what e.g. gnome account services (settings?!) and policykit use for admin/non-admin distinction.
[18:25] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, willcooke popey Wimpress anyone got anything for the g-s stakeholder meeting today?
[18:26] <robert_ancell> I've got nothing and nothing in the document
[18:28] <popey> robert_ancell: heya. I have one item. It's in one hour right?
[18:28] <popey> Just having dinner and will add it.
[18:28] <robert_ancell> popey, it is but happy to do it now if I can!
[18:28] <robert_ancell> ok, sure
[18:28] <popey> Sticky toffee pudding needs eating, sorry :)
[18:28] <robert_ancell> That's not going to eat itself.
[18:32] <kenvandine> robert_ancell: I'll be there, just having lunch now
[19:47] <kenvandine> popey, robert_ancell: that was painful!
[19:47] <popey> yeah, I dont want to refresh my browser now
[19:47] <popey> oh, I had another thing I wanted to mention but it was offtopic for that call
[19:47] <popey> thunderbird snap keeps pestering me for an update. does it need rebuilding?
[19:47] <kenvandine> probably
[19:48] <popey> (or can we suppress that in the snap)?
[19:48] <popey> (or both)
[19:48] <kenvandine> not sure how to do that in thunderbird, but i'm sure there's a way
[19:48] <kenvandine> mozilla did something to firefox to do that
[19:48] <kenvandine> but it was code, not in the snap packaging
[19:49] <popey> it's an about:config setting i think
[19:49] <kenvandine> no, they added some logic
[19:49] <kenvandine> to determine if it was in a snap and disable it as needed
[19:49] <popey> ahh
[19:50] <kenvandine> which we can't do in thunderbird until the build is produced differently
[19:53] <popey> Is there any progress with the thunderbird community?
[19:53] <kenvandine> popey: not that i'm aware of
[20:20] <kenvandine> robert_ancell: i just noticed the ratings are now properly showing up on the app tiles in the grid
[20:20] <kenvandine> that didn't appear to be working on friday
[20:20] <kenvandine> magic
[20:21] <kenvandine> popey: i published rev 45 to candidate
[20:21] <popey> <3
[20:21] <kenvandine> popey: just track candidate for now
[20:26] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, oh, they only show up once the review server includes them in the stats - so you need to wait for the server to refresh that file and restart g-s.
[20:27] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, I proposed a fix that uses your review if you are the first reviewer (this is when you see it)
[20:27] <kenvandine> yeah, but on friday i wasn't seeing reviews i had created long before
[20:28] <kenvandine> s/reviews/ratings/
[20:28] <kenvandine> maybe it was just friday of a sprint and i was fried :)