[07:22] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:15] <didrocks> good morning
[08:32] <Trevinho> hola
[08:33] <didrocks> hey Trevinho!
[08:34] <Trevinho> didrocks: hey..., when you've some time could you check https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+git/gnome-shell/+merge/357992 :)
[08:34] <Trevinho> (and bionic one https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+git/gnome-shell/+merge/357993)
[08:34] <Trevinho> answering before you might ask, upstream prefers another fix (which still might be not possible), but that at the date would need changes in Xorg, mutter, g-s itself and maybe the extension.... So, safer to go this way :)
[08:35] <Trevinho> I was discussing this with seb already
[08:38] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:38] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:38] <seb128> lut didrocks, en forme ?
[08:38] <didrocks> Trevinho: will review this morning
[08:38] <didrocks> ça va, et toi ?
[08:38] <didrocks> Trevinho: shouldn't you put it in the ubuntu/ folder thus?
[08:38] <didrocks> or do you plan pushing that to Debian as well?
[08:38] <seb128> ça va, un peu un début de rhume depuis qq jours mais qui tourne pas en vrai rhume, je croise les doigts que ça passe :p
[08:39] <didrocks> seb128: ah, donc le week-end n'a pas été aussi terrible que ça au final ?
[08:39] <Trevinho> didrocks: mh... Well there's still a chance that upstream will take it. And anyways is not too ubuntu specific
[08:39] <seb128> didrocks, en journée ça va, c'est tjs le matin/soir
[08:39] <Trevinho> Buon giorno Sebastiano!
[08:39] <Trevinho> Come va?
[08:39] <seb128> hey Trevinho, in non-sleeping mode again? ;)
[08:40] <didrocks> Trevinho: good thus!
[08:40] <seb128> Trevinho, ça va bien ! et toi ?
[08:41] <Trevinho> Need to change timezone, need to adapt
[09:00] <didrocks> Trevinho: do you know if the --replace fix has already be merged in for the Shell? I wonder how you develop the Shell as long as it's broken
[09:00] <didrocks> (especially the js)
[09:01] <Laney> hi THERE
[09:01] <jamesh> didrocks: what do you think about merging my GTK 3.18 support branch for Yaru?  I mentioned in the PR that the file moves could cause confusing merges for other branches, but I don't want to hold off forever.
[09:04] <didrocks> jamesh: let me look, I saw clobrano was handling it and didn't want to step on his shoes
[09:04] <didrocks> jamesh: I would prefer though to keep master SRUable until next week if possible
[09:04] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:06] <jamesh> didrocks: okay.  This shouldn't have any backward compat issues, but I'd understand large scale file moves to raise red flags for that
[09:06] <didrocks> jamesh: the problem is more on the SRU team which would reject/delay forever due to large size. A week old Yaru is still not reviewed (nor evince, nor …)
[09:07] <didrocks> jamesh: let me still review the build system changes
[09:07] <didrocks> if we had markers in git to say "move folder", the diff would be really easier :/
[09:08] <jamesh> yep.  But that'd require file IDs, which git doesn't have
[09:08] <didrocks> jamesh: I guess you kept the folder name as "gtk-3.0" in the source on purpose, correct?
[09:08] <seb128> hey Laney jamesh
[09:09] <didrocks> well, let me ask that on the review directly so that you don't have to wait on my remarks :)
[09:09] <jamesh> didrocks: I used the same folder names as things are installed to.
[09:09] <seb128> sorry was busy writing a (long) email :p
[09:09] <jamesh> didrocks: I suppose I could have left the source layout unchanged and had gtk/src/light/gtk-3.0 for the current theme and gtk/src/light/gtk-3.18 for the old theme
[09:09] <seb128> didrocks, there has been a round of SRU reviews on cosmic in the night, I got a stack of those approved
[09:09] <jamesh> and then install the first to gtk-3.20 and the second to gtk-3.0
[09:10] <jamesh> but that seems like it would cause more confusion down the line
[09:10] <didrocks> seb128: lucky you, still waiting :p
[09:10] <seb128> didrocks, jamesh, I don't expect adding-oldgtk-support to be a slow-to-review or problem for SRU
[09:10] <seb128> it's basically not impacting the distro
[09:10] <seb128> just the snaps
[09:10] <seb128> and a new feature
[09:10] <seb128> I'm happy to talk them into accepting the SRU once it's uploaded
[09:10] <didrocks> seb128: would be good first to get current Yaru in…
[09:10] <jamesh> seb128: right, but it looks like a big change in the debdiff
[09:10] <Laney> hey didrocks seb128
[09:10] <didrocks> seb128: before uploading another one
[09:10] <seb128> jamesh, right, but that can be explained to them
[09:11] <seb128> didrocks, the SRU team has been clear that they want to be pinged/bothered about things we are blocked/waiting on rather than having us frustrated waiting
[09:11] <didrocks> seb128: well, there is no urgency until you raise this ^
[09:11] <seb128> so please nag the SRU-member-of-the-day if you are blocked/waiting, or let me know and I can do it
[09:11] <didrocks> that's why I didn't want to bother them until now
[09:12] <seb128> k
[09:12] <seb128> let me nag them today
[09:12] <jamesh> didrocks: one other change I think would be worth doing is to package up the themes in a gresource file.  That would reduce the overhead of loading the theme
[09:12]  * didrocks feels schooled everyday around here :(
[09:12] <seb128> I wonder why your SRU didn't get reviewed though since it's older
[09:13] <seb128> didrocks, ?
[09:13] <didrocks> jamesh: yeah, would be a nice improvements, let's go for this one first though
[09:13] <jamesh> essentially one open+mmap to get the CSS and all image assets, as a mapping shareable with all other running apps
[09:21] <willcooke> o/
[09:23] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:26] <andyrock> morning
[09:27] <didrocks> jamesh: review posted, some small stuff, but looks OK mostly. I trust you to build the snap and test :)
[09:27] <didrocks> hey willcooke, andyrock
[09:30] <didrocks> andyrock: if I'm correct, the --replace fix isn't merged in yet. How do you hack on the Shell? :)
[09:31] <andyrock> didrocks: I'm hacking to fix that crash
[09:31] <andyrock> :D
[09:31] <andyrock> you can start a new gnome-session with jhbuild
[09:31] <andyrock> than you can do alt+f2 r
[09:31] <didrocks> andyrock: hum, I wonder how people can do Shell development meanwhile, like picking up the new js files
[09:31] <didrocks> with unpacking/repacking
[09:31] <andyrock> alt+f2 r works
[09:32] <didrocks> yeah, jhbuild, this is going to take ages :p
[09:32] <didrocks> or I can write perfect code
[09:32] <didrocks> build a package
[09:32] <didrocks> install, and alt+f2
[09:32] <didrocks> :p
[09:33] <andyrock> the problem with gnome-shell is that it's exiting with status == 1
[09:33] <andyrock> gnome-session will read the exit status and try to restart it
[09:33] <didrocks> ah, that's why the session quit
[09:33] <didrocks> hum :)
[09:33] <didrocks> so, a shell script wrapper could just do it!
[09:34] <andyrock> because it can't be restarted (because there is another gnome-shell process already) it will kill the session
[09:34] <didrocks> with a beautiful kill + sleep
[09:34] <andyrock> yeah something to hide the exit status
[09:44] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you today?
[09:45] <andyrock> hey seb128 fine you? little bit cold here :D
[09:46] <andyrock> Trevinho: do you mind cherry-picking https://trello.com/c/2hg9HKfq/111-backport-unable-to-type-capital-letters-using-onscreen-keyboard-to-bionic for the bionic SRU
[09:46] <andyrock> Trevinho: or do you want me to propose a branch on top of yours?
[09:56] <seb128> andyrock, same here, a bit cold :)
[10:27] <willcooke> It's just done it *again*.  All my docs have moved in to Templates
[10:33] <seb128> did you use a snap?.
[10:33] <willcooke> Just going through the snaps I've used in the last 12 hours
[10:53] <Trevinho> andyrock: feel free to propose a branch, in theory I wanted to do a "light" SRU, but it can'be too light since there's already the XUbuntuCancel stuff in git, so I actually need other related branches to be merged
[10:53] <Trevinho> seb128: can you help me with that? If not who? :)
[10:54] <seb128> Trevinho, git can be changed
[10:54] <seb128> I think those fixes are more important that the xubuntu thing
[10:54] <seb128> I would SRU the fixes first and do xubuntu as another round when we have no more urgent fixes to land
[10:54] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah I agree
[10:55] <Trevinho> so, feel free to revert :)
[11:00] <Trevinho> andyrock: I'm doing it, so I add another fix, no worries
[11:01] <andyrock> Trevinho: great thanks
[11:13] <willcooke> updating firmware to test new fwupd.  Wish me luck.
[11:18] <seb128> willcooke, worked?
[11:19] <willcooke> worked
[11:19] <willcooke> new fwupd & gnome-softare
[11:33] <seb128> brb, moving location to lunch outside, I'm too lazy to be cook today (going to keep working during lunch, need to catch up on my todo before the long w.e)
[11:40] <Trevinho> willcooke: It did for me too last night :)
[11:40] <Trevinho> a bit stressing though, since it was beeping all the times, with a single prompt on the screen saying "waiting, update is happening"....
[11:41] <Trevinho> Laney: when you've a sec can you please merge and sponsor https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+git/mutter/+merge/358007 <3
[11:42] <willcooke> Trevinho, thats better than Lenovo.  I got a blank screen and nothing else
[11:43] <willcooke> I just ignored it for a while and prayed
[11:43] <Trevinho> willcooke: this is a thinkpad, so still lenovo, but was a bit making me nervous
[11:44] <willcooke> oh
[11:44] <willcooke> I wonder why mine doesnt beer
[11:44] <willcooke> meh
[11:54] <Trevinho> not super updated though..
[11:54] <Trevinho> . https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Tu34szyO/image.png
[11:54] <Trevinho> but last one was released 4 days ago, let's see how long it takes
[11:56] <Laney> Trevinho: ok, probably later on though
[11:56] <Laney> why is the reviewer that?
[11:56] <Trevinho> Laney: cause I wrongly created a MP before pointing to the packaging
[11:56] <Trevinho> let me change it
[11:57] <Trevinho> Laney: take your time, but for any fix I won't be around until 1st
[12:27] <Trevinho> didrocks: ah, speaking in how to dev, you can indeed also just use pure JS files, even without creating the resources
[12:28] <Trevinho> `GNOME_SHELL_JS=/foo/bar/baz/path/gnome-shell-js gnome-shell `
[12:39] <seb128> xnox, oh, I forgot to reply yesterday, but yeah "sudo" group ownership should be enough, agreed it's invalid, I just wanted it looked at/confirmed you think it's fine
[12:42] <xnox> seb128, no problem.
[12:42] <seb128> xnox, thx for looking at the bug/responding!
[12:42] <xnox> seb128, commented here as well, just in case the whole world split-brained w.r.t. `the admin group name`
[12:42] <xnox> cause like i don't follow gnome or policykit close enough
[12:42] <seb128> right, no, it's all fine :)
[12:44] <seb128> k, moving back from lunch, brb
[12:46] <caravena> Yea! 'Disco'
[12:50] <Trevinho> Ok, time for me to start boarding...
[12:50] <Trevinho> see you guys from the other side of the ocean!
[12:50] <willcooke> safe travels Trevinho
[12:51] <Trevinho> thanks
[14:12] <seb128> Trevinho, safe flight
[14:31] <willcooke> stand by
[14:32] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-10-30
[14:32] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct 30 14:32:38 2018 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:32] <didrocks> hey
[14:32] <andyrock> o/
[14:32] <heber> o/
[14:32] <willcooke> It's a spoooooooooky meeting this week
[14:32] <tjaalton> hi
[14:33] <tseliot> o/
[14:33] <seb128> hey
[14:33] <willcooke> 🎃
[14:33] <oSoMoN> o/
[14:33] <andyrock> 👻
[14:33] <willcooke> k, so I'm still not caught up from last week yet.
[14:33] <jibel> hi
[14:33] <willcooke> Seb is still reviewing the Bionic bugs
[14:34] <Laney> 🧛
[14:34] <willcooke> So we will have to skip them and do it next week
[14:34] <willcooke> This week we will go through the incoming bugs
[14:34] <willcooke> for C
[14:34] <willcooke> D can start next week
[14:35] <willcooke> Just reviewing the list to see if anyone had anything to raise
[14:36] <willcooke> Looks clear
[14:36] <willcooke> Trevinho has some reviews needed
[14:36] <seb128> willcooke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1778946 .... did you check if changing the permission of /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf "fixes" the issue?
[14:36] <seb128> comment #3
[14:36] <seb128> (that's the one bug on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html)
[14:36] <willcooke> Ah, so... VPNs were totally broken last week.
[14:36] <seb128> :(
[14:36] <willcooke> I need to test from home
[14:36] <seb128> k
[14:37] <willcooke> I spoke to stgraber about it, and once I know what's going on a bit more then I will go back and ask him for some more ideas
[14:37] <willcooke> I will get that tested this week
[14:37] <willcooke> I do that resolvconf on this bionic box, I expect because I upgraded
[14:38] <willcooke> but installing that is not the right fix according to stgraber, who knows a lot about this stuff
[14:38] <willcooke> so lets see
[14:38] <willcooke> rls-bb-incoming is being triaged by seb128
[14:38] <willcooke> rls-cc-incoming:  http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:39] <willcooke> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1798053
[14:39] <willcooke> Already fixed by oSoMoN
[14:39] <willcooke> and my VPN bug: http://launchpad.net/bugs/1778946
[14:39] <willcooke> which we already talked about
[14:39] <willcooke> and that's the list
[14:39] <willcooke> Before we go on to AOB, anyone got anything to ask?
[14:39] <willcooke> 1 min timeout
[14:40] <Laney> b only has one bug, not sure why that needed to be skipped?
[14:40] <willcooke> oh yeah
[14:40] <willcooke> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1797604
[14:40] <Laney> guessing it was tracking that is supposed to be gardened
[14:41] <willcooke> Laney, ah yeah
[14:41] <willcooke> tjaalton, any thoughts on that xorg bug? ^
[14:41] <seb128> +1 to -notfix
[14:41] <seb128> -intel is not the default driver nowadays
[14:42] <willcooke> ohhhh
[14:42] <willcooke> because it's i915
[14:42] <willcooke> now?
[14:42] <tseliot> modesetting
[14:42] <Laney> brb door
[14:43] <willcooke> so seb128 you are -1 on accepting?
[14:43] <tjaalton> willcooke: what seb128 said
[14:43] <willcooke> kk
[14:43] <willcooke> good enough for me, thanks
[14:43] <seb128> willcooke, right, based on the fact that it's not the default driver so low impact
[14:43] <seb128> it can be fixed
[14:43] <seb128> but doesn't need rls tracking
[14:44] <Laney> hell yeah
[14:44] <willcooke> done
[14:44] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[14:44] <willcooke> Anyone got anything?
[14:44] <willcooke> I'll send round an update from SLC once I've got my thoughts straight.
[14:45] <andyrock> none from me
[14:45] <willcooke> In the meantime, just had a call with jibel kenvandine and seb128 - so they will know some of the high level details if you can't wait
[14:45] <willcooke> andyrock, you still ok for Monday?
[14:45] <andyrock> yup!
[14:45] <willcooke> It's sushi day!
[14:45] <andyrock> :(
[14:46] <willcooke> It's Borough Market day!
[14:46] <andyrock> niiice
[14:46] <willcooke> \o/
[14:46] <willcooke> kk, 2 min timeout for AOB
[14:46] <Laney> monday??????????
[14:46] <Laney> (flat iron day)
[14:47] <willcooke> Laney, going to meet with m_pt re: Livepatch designs
[14:48] <Laney> nod, fun
[14:48] <willcooke> ok, thanks all - we're done
[14:48] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[14:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct 30 14:48:49 2018 UTC.
[14:48] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-10-30-14.32.moin.txt
[14:48] <seb128> thx!
[14:48] <didrocks> thx
[14:48] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[14:49] <jibel> thanks
[14:49] <andyrock> thx!
[17:22] <jibel> new bug with the screen lock. I unlocked the screen and it didn't ask for a password
[17:48] <willcooke> jibel, O_o
[20:33] <popey> robert_ancell: scrap the idea of *-featured. The top 20 in every section are "featured".
[20:34] <robert_ancell> popey, ok, so the sections are ordered from best to worst?
[20:35] <popey> not really. first 20 are featured, rest are "also rans" :)
[20:35] <robert_ancell> popey, do you expect the top twenty will be shown in order, so the #1 game will always be featured?
[20:40] <popey> hmmmm
[20:41] <popey> That would give us some control, yes.
[20:41] <popey> (chatting with wimpy, he agrees)