=== RAOF is now known as Guest50892 === Guest50892 is now known as RAOF [07:22] good morning desktoppers [08:15] good morning [08:32] hola [08:33] hey Trevinho! [08:34] didrocks: hey..., when you've some time could you check https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+git/gnome-shell/+merge/357992 :) [08:34] (and bionic one https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+git/gnome-shell/+merge/357993) [08:34] answering before you might ask, upstream prefers another fix (which still might be not possible), but that at the date would need changes in Xorg, mutter, g-s itself and maybe the extension.... So, safer to go this way :) [08:35] I was discussing this with seb already [08:38] good morning desktopers [08:38] salut seb128 [08:38] lut didrocks, en forme ? [08:38] Trevinho: will review this morning [08:38] ça va, et toi ? [08:38] Trevinho: shouldn't you put it in the ubuntu/ folder thus? [08:38] or do you plan pushing that to Debian as well? [08:38] ça va, un peu un début de rhume depuis qq jours mais qui tourne pas en vrai rhume, je croise les doigts que ça passe :p [08:39] seb128: ah, donc le week-end n'a pas été aussi terrible que ça au final ? [08:39] didrocks: mh... Well there's still a chance that upstream will take it. And anyways is not too ubuntu specific [08:39] didrocks, en journée ça va, c'est tjs le matin/soir [08:39] Buon giorno Sebastiano! [08:39] Come va? [08:39] hey Trevinho, in non-sleeping mode again? ;) [08:40] Trevinho: good thus! [08:40] Trevinho, ça va bien ! et toi ? [08:41] Need to change timezone, need to adapt [09:00] Trevinho: do you know if the --replace fix has already be merged in for the Shell? I wonder how you develop the Shell as long as it's broken [09:00] (especially the js) [09:01] hi THERE [09:01] didrocks: what do you think about merging my GTK 3.18 support branch for Yaru? I mentioned in the PR that the file moves could cause confusing merges for other branches, but I don't want to hold off forever. === RAOF is now known as Guest36026 [09:04] jamesh: let me look, I saw clobrano was handling it and didn't want to step on his shoes [09:04] jamesh: I would prefer though to keep master SRUable until next week if possible [09:04] hey Laney [09:06] didrocks: okay. This shouldn't have any backward compat issues, but I'd understand large scale file moves to raise red flags for that [09:06] jamesh: the problem is more on the SRU team which would reject/delay forever due to large size. A week old Yaru is still not reviewed (nor evince, nor …) [09:07] jamesh: let me still review the build system changes [09:07] if we had markers in git to say "move folder", the diff would be really easier :/ [09:08] yep. But that'd require file IDs, which git doesn't have [09:08] jamesh: I guess you kept the folder name as "gtk-3.0" in the source on purpose, correct? [09:08] hey Laney jamesh [09:09] well, let me ask that on the review directly so that you don't have to wait on my remarks :) [09:09] didrocks: I used the same folder names as things are installed to. [09:09] sorry was busy writing a (long) email :p [09:09] didrocks: I suppose I could have left the source layout unchanged and had gtk/src/light/gtk-3.0 for the current theme and gtk/src/light/gtk-3.18 for the old theme [09:09] didrocks, there has been a round of SRU reviews on cosmic in the night, I got a stack of those approved [09:09] and then install the first to gtk-3.20 and the second to gtk-3.0 [09:10] but that seems like it would cause more confusion down the line [09:10] seb128: lucky you, still waiting :p [09:10] didrocks, jamesh, I don't expect adding-oldgtk-support to be a slow-to-review or problem for SRU [09:10] it's basically not impacting the distro [09:10] just the snaps [09:10] and a new feature [09:10] I'm happy to talk them into accepting the SRU once it's uploaded [09:10] seb128: would be good first to get current Yaru in… [09:10] seb128: right, but it looks like a big change in the debdiff [09:10] hey didrocks seb128 [09:10] seb128: before uploading another one [09:10] jamesh, right, but that can be explained to them [09:11] didrocks, the SRU team has been clear that they want to be pinged/bothered about things we are blocked/waiting on rather than having us frustrated waiting [09:11] seb128: well, there is no urgency until you raise this ^ [09:11] so please nag the SRU-member-of-the-day if you are blocked/waiting, or let me know and I can do it [09:11] that's why I didn't want to bother them until now [09:12] k [09:12] let me nag them today [09:12] didrocks: one other change I think would be worth doing is to package up the themes in a gresource file. That would reduce the overhead of loading the theme [09:12] * didrocks feels schooled everyday around here :( [09:12] I wonder why your SRU didn't get reviewed though since it's older [09:13] didrocks, ? [09:13] jamesh: yeah, would be a nice improvements, let's go for this one first though [09:13] essentially one open+mmap to get the CSS and all image assets, as a mapping shareable with all other running apps [09:21] o/ [09:23] hey willcooke [09:26] morning [09:27] jamesh: review posted, some small stuff, but looks OK mostly. I trust you to build the snap and test :) [09:27] hey willcooke, andyrock [09:30] andyrock: if I'm correct, the --replace fix isn't merged in yet. How do you hack on the Shell? :) [09:31] didrocks: I'm hacking to fix that crash [09:31] :D [09:31] you can start a new gnome-session with jhbuild [09:31] than you can do alt+f2 r [09:31] andyrock: hum, I wonder how people can do Shell development meanwhile, like picking up the new js files [09:31] with unpacking/repacking [09:31] alt+f2 r works [09:32] yeah, jhbuild, this is going to take ages :p [09:32] or I can write perfect code [09:32] build a package [09:32] install, and alt+f2 [09:32] :p [09:33] the problem with gnome-shell is that it's exiting with status == 1 [09:33] gnome-session will read the exit status and try to restart it [09:33] ah, that's why the session quit [09:33] hum :) [09:33] so, a shell script wrapper could just do it! [09:34] because it can't be restarted (because there is another gnome-shell process already) it will kill the session [09:34] with a beautiful kill + sleep [09:34] yeah something to hide the exit status [09:44] hey andyrock, how are you today? [09:45] hey seb128 fine you? little bit cold here :D [09:46] Trevinho: do you mind cherry-picking https://trello.com/c/2hg9HKfq/111-backport-unable-to-type-capital-letters-using-onscreen-keyboard-to-bionic for the bionic SRU [09:46] Trevinho: or do you want me to propose a branch on top of yours? [09:56] andyrock, same here, a bit cold :) [10:27] It's just done it *again*. All my docs have moved in to Templates [10:33] did you use a snap?. [10:33] Just going through the snaps I've used in the last 12 hours [10:53] andyrock: feel free to propose a branch, in theory I wanted to do a "light" SRU, but it can'be too light since there's already the XUbuntuCancel stuff in git, so I actually need other related branches to be merged [10:53] seb128: can you help me with that? If not who? :) [10:54] Trevinho, git can be changed [10:54] I think those fixes are more important that the xubuntu thing [10:54] I would SRU the fixes first and do xubuntu as another round when we have no more urgent fixes to land [10:54] seb128: yeah I agree [10:55] so, feel free to revert :) [11:00] andyrock: I'm doing it, so I add another fix, no worries [11:01] Trevinho: great thanks [11:13] updating firmware to test new fwupd. Wish me luck. [11:18] willcooke, worked? [11:19] worked [11:19] new fwupd & gnome-softare [11:33] brb, moving location to lunch outside, I'm too lazy to be cook today (going to keep working during lunch, need to catch up on my todo before the long w.e) [11:40] willcooke: It did for me too last night :) [11:40] a bit stressing though, since it was beeping all the times, with a single prompt on the screen saying "waiting, update is happening".... [11:41] Laney: when you've a sec can you please merge and sponsor https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+git/mutter/+merge/358007 <3 [11:42] Trevinho, thats better than Lenovo. I got a blank screen and nothing else [11:43] I just ignored it for a while and prayed [11:43] willcooke: this is a thinkpad, so still lenovo, but was a bit making me nervous [11:44] oh [11:44] I wonder why mine doesnt beer [11:44] meh [11:54] not super updated though.. [11:54] . https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Tu34szyO/image.png [11:54] but last one was released 4 days ago, let's see how long it takes [11:56] Trevinho: ok, probably later on though [11:56] why is the reviewer that? [11:56] Laney: cause I wrongly created a MP before pointing to the packaging [11:56] let me change it [11:57] Laney: take your time, but for any fix I won't be around until 1st [12:27] didrocks: ah, speaking in how to dev, you can indeed also just use pure JS files, even without creating the resources [12:28] `GNOME_SHELL_JS=/foo/bar/baz/path/gnome-shell-js gnome-shell ` [12:39] xnox, oh, I forgot to reply yesterday, but yeah "sudo" group ownership should be enough, agreed it's invalid, I just wanted it looked at/confirmed you think it's fine [12:42] seb128, no problem. [12:42] xnox, thx for looking at the bug/responding! [12:42] seb128, commented here as well, just in case the whole world split-brained w.r.t. `the admin group name` [12:42] cause like i don't follow gnome or policykit close enough [12:42] right, no, it's all fine :) [12:44] k, moving back from lunch, brb [12:46] Yea! 'Disco' [12:50] Ok, time for me to start boarding... [12:50] see you guys from the other side of the ocean! [12:50] safe travels Trevinho [12:51] thanks [14:12] Trevinho, safe flight === Class7_ is now known as Class7 [14:31] stand by [14:32] #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-10-30 [14:32] Meeting started Tue Oct 30 14:32:38 2018 UTC. The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [14:32] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/3VYBPFaR/ubuntu-desktop-1810-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-10-30 | Current topic: [14:32] hey [14:32] o/ [14:32] o/ [14:32] It's a spoooooooooky meeting this week [14:32] hi [14:33] o/ [14:33] hey [14:33] 🎃 [14:33] o/ [14:33] 👻 [14:33] k, so I'm still not caught up from last week yet. [14:33] hi [14:33] Seb is still reviewing the Bionic bugs [14:34] 🧛 [14:34] So we will have to skip them and do it next week [14:34] This week we will go through the incoming bugs [14:34] for C [14:34] D can start next week [14:35] Just reviewing the list to see if anyone had anything to raise [14:36] Looks clear [14:36] Trevinho has some reviews needed [14:36] willcooke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1778946 .... did you check if changing the permission of /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf "fixes" the issue? [14:36] Ubuntu bug 1778946 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "No dns resolution after closing a vpn/pptp connection" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:36] comment #3 [14:36] (that's the one bug on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html) [14:36] Ah, so... VPNs were totally broken last week. [14:36] :( [14:36] I need to test from home [14:36] k [14:37] I spoke to stgraber about it, and once I know what's going on a bit more then I will go back and ask him for some more ideas [14:37] I will get that tested this week [14:37] I do that resolvconf on this bionic box, I expect because I upgraded [14:38] but installing that is not the right fix according to stgraber, who knows a lot about this stuff [14:38] so lets see [14:38] rls-bb-incoming is being triaged by seb128 [14:38] rls-cc-incoming: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html [14:39] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1798053 [14:39] Ubuntu bug 1798053 in gnome-software (Ubuntu Cosmic) "[SRU] Click on the back icon in gnome-software doesn't work" [High,Fix committed] [14:39] Already fixed by oSoMoN [14:39] and my VPN bug: http://launchpad.net/bugs/1778946 [14:39] Ubuntu bug 1778946 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "No dns resolution after closing a vpn/pptp connection" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:39] which we already talked about [14:39] and that's the list [14:39] Before we go on to AOB, anyone got anything to ask? [14:39] 1 min timeout [14:40] b only has one bug, not sure why that needed to be skipped? [14:40] oh yeah [14:40] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1797604 [14:40] Ubuntu bug 1797604 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Xserver opengl problems on i5-8259U" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:40] guessing it was tracking that is supposed to be gardened [14:41] Laney, ah yeah [14:41] tjaalton, any thoughts on that xorg bug? ^ [14:41] +1 to -notfix [14:41] -intel is not the default driver nowadays [14:42] ohhhh [14:42] because it's i915 [14:42] now? [14:42] modesetting [14:42] brb door [14:43] so seb128 you are -1 on accepting? [14:43] willcooke: what seb128 said [14:43] kk [14:43] good enough for me, thanks [14:43] willcooke, right, based on the fact that it's not the default driver so low impact [14:43] it can be fixed [14:43] but doesn't need rls tracking [14:44] hell yeah [14:44] done [14:44] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/3VYBPFaR/ubuntu-desktop-1810-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-10-30 | Current topic: AOB [14:44] Anyone got anything? [14:44] I'll send round an update from SLC once I've got my thoughts straight. [14:45] none from me [14:45] In the meantime, just had a call with jibel kenvandine and seb128 - so they will know some of the high level details if you can't wait [14:45] andyrock, you still ok for Monday? [14:45] yup! [14:45] It's sushi day! [14:45] :( [14:46] It's Borough Market day! [14:46] niiice [14:46] \o/ [14:46] kk, 2 min timeout for AOB [14:46] monday?????????? [14:46] (flat iron day) [14:47] Laney, going to meet with m_pt re: Livepatch designs [14:48] nod, fun [14:48] ok, thanks all - we're done [14:48] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/3VYBPFaR/ubuntu-desktop-1810-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently [14:48] Meeting ended Tue Oct 30 14:48:49 2018 UTC. [14:48] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-10-30-14.32.moin.txt [14:48] thx! [14:48] thx [14:48] thanks! [14:49] thanks [14:49] thx! [17:22] new bug with the screen lock. I unlocked the screen and it didn't ask for a password [17:48] jibel, O_o [20:33] robert_ancell: scrap the idea of *-featured. The top 20 in every section are "featured". [20:34] popey, ok, so the sections are ordered from best to worst? [20:35] not really. first 20 are featured, rest are "also rans" :) [20:35] popey, do you expect the top twenty will be shown in order, so the #1 game will always be featured? [20:40] hmmmm [20:41] That would give us some control, yes. [20:41] (chatting with wimpy, he agrees)