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BluesKajHey folks10:46
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IrcsomeBot1<Santa> good morning everyone12:25
IrcsomeBot1<Santa> @acheronuk around?12:26
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> @Santa, Not at a pc at the moment12:35
IrcsomeBot1<Santa> well, I just wanted to ask if you are ok with merging into ka-metadata/master these branches: staging, plasma-5.14 and emerald_lake12:37
IrcsomeBot1<Santa> so we could just prepare master for disco rather than doing it in each and every branch12:37
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> Yeah, I think reason for having them seperate for a short while have gone now. So go ahead.12:39
IrcsomeBot1<Santa> allright 👌12:39
IrcsomeBot1<Santa> Done.12:47
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTunnell> is there any technical/legal hurdle for including NTFS and exfat support in Kubuntu by default?13:11
ngrahamMichaelTunnell: does this require packages that are not installed by default or something?13:48
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTunnell> yes such as exfat-fuse for example13:49
ngrahamwhat does "support" mean in this context? FUSE? Visibility in Dolphin? Write support in Dolphin? Something else?13:51
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTunnell> allow dolphin to mount these FS without having to know what packages are needed to install. … Ideally I would like people to install the distro and choose to mount and it just works.13:59
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTunnell> Dolphin has support for using these FS in general as long as these packages are available to the system. I have used exfat and ntfs in Dolphin previously but it is always a case where I have to install all of the needed packages myself14:00
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTunnell> in my limited knowledge of the subject, I believe that if the FS packages were made available by default then Kubuntu would be able to offer them without other effort. I know Dolphin can do it and I have done it in the past. I don't remember it being too difficult to setup other than installing those packages though it certainly has been a while.14:01
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTunnell> I am pretty sure Linux Mint Cinnamon ships these packages by default if that helps in some way14:02
IrcsomeBot1<Lazy B> Well, then micro$oft can charge every vendor who provides preinstalled Linux Mint on their hw14:05
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> @MichaelTunnell, not sure right this sec. make a task on our phab? those can get forgotten, so please bug until we have a good answer14:06
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> could be a case of bieng able to include in an install to a hd, but needs to be blacklisted from the built iso, as some codecs are14:07
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTunnell> Can the warning message in dolphin be edited when a user tries to mount that stuff?14:09
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTunnell> @Lazy B, That's not true anymore due to the OIN membership14:09
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> hmmm. ntfs-3g is on our iso14:10
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valoriefrom #kde-promo: [14:17] <Kon-> Spectacle's rectangle selection UI seemed to be bugged for him, and helpful people in his community are telling him Dolphin doesn't support exFAT when the real reason is Kubuntu doesn't ship exfat-fuse but Mint does21:22
valorie!info exfat-fuse21:22
ubottu'disco' is not a valid distribution: artful, artful-backports, artful-proposed, bionic, bionic-backports, bionic-proposed, cosmic, cosmic-backports, cosmic-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, utopic, utopic-backports, utopic-proposed, vivid, vivid-backports, vivid-proposed, wily, wily-backports21:22
valorie!info exfat-fuse cosmic21:23
ubottuexfat-fuse (source: fuse-exfat): read and write exFAT driver for FUSE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.8-1 (cosmic), package size 28 kB, installed size 75 kB (Only available for linux-any; kfreebsd-any)21:23
valoriewith this followup: valorie: I think there might previously have been US legal reason for Ubuntu not shipping exfat-fuse preinstalled. But Microsoft did just release a bunch of patents into OIN, so I think that might no longer be a concern21:24
valorieoh, michael tunnell was asking earlier21:24
valorieI'll chime in on the phab when he makes it21:24
ackeronukhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/exfat-utils/+bug/164953721:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1649537 in fuse-exfat (Ubuntu) "[MIR] exfat-utils and fuse-exfat" [Undecided,Won't fix]21:27
valoriehttps://phabricator.kde.org/T996521:28
valoriefiled by ngraham21:29
ackeronuklinked to that bug comment on the task. I don't think we can seed this unless the legal situation is ok'd by Ubuntu/Canonical21:32
valorieI commented on the BR21:34
valoriesince the situation has changed, and Microsoft now allows it21:34
ackeronuklets see how that goes then. maybe poke the powers that be if nothing happens21:36
valorieright21:37
valoriewe're early in the cycle so we might get this bit done21:38
ackeronukWTF does canonical being an associate member of OIN mean?21:42
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> they wont get suid for patents like exfat? idk21:43
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> oops i mean sued not SUID lmao21:43
ackeronukPMSL21:44
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTunnell> oops forgot to make the task my bad21:46
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTunnell> on the bright side one of my podcasts is almost ready to release :D21:46
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> which one @MichaelTunnell21:47
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTunnell> Destination Linux21:47
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> nice21:47
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTunnell> I was also on the latest episode of the Ask Noah Show last night :D21:47
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTunnell> and I will be on next week's FLOSS Weekly21:47
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> i called into ask noah for the first time a month or two ago21:47
valorienice!21:48
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> providing a solution21:48
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> or rather, an explanation21:48
valorie@MichaelTunnell you see that ngraham made it, right?21:48
valorieso chime in there if you have more to add21:48
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTunnell> I saw and will do21:48
valorie\o/21:49
valoriewe have a few months to make this happen so I hope it will get done21:49
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> @tsimonq2 is making enquiries on the legal side I think21:49
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> = asking someone in the know21:50
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> I think21:50
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTunnell> nice. I commented and offered an alternative if the legal answer is no.21:51
valorieI don't see how it could be when MS says explicitly that it is allowed21:52
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> and to my knowledge they havent sued mint21:53
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> which ships it i think21:53
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> @pizzadude, Just because they haven't been sued yet doesn't make it legal.21:53
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> good point21:53
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> but how is it even in the ubuntu repos if its illegal21:54
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> I have it on good authority that we have more of a spotlight than Mint does :P21:54
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> @pizzadude, Read the fine print21:54
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> It can't be shipped in a product or device.21:54
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> oh21:54
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> The archive technically isn't a product.21:54
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> but it can be available to install21:54
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> if the user wants to21:54
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> But it's not a part of the default product.21:54
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Making it legal (but gray area)21:54
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> is it installed if i select "download restricted codecs"21:55
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> not sure21:55
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> i have it installed but i dont remember installing it21:56
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> probably a dependency21:56
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Still.21:58
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> That's not part of the default install.21:58
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> i know, i wasnt disputing that21:58
valoriehow are you, @tsimonq2? 21:59
valorieback to full speed?21:59
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Tired and swimming in homework :)21:59
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Back to full speed in terms of health, not in involvement yet22:00
valorieschool first, everything else second22:00
valoriegood to hear you are well22:00
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Thanks22:02
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> good luck on homework22:02
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Thanks22:03
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTunnell> @pizzadude, if it is, it is still not shipped because that took manual interaction by the user.22:03
IrcsomeBot1<pizzadude> @MichaelTunnell, i understnad22:06

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