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[10:46] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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[12:25] <IrcsomeBot1> <Santa> good morning everyone
[12:26] <IrcsomeBot1> <Santa> @acheronuk around?
[12:35] <IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> @Santa, Not at a pc at the moment
[12:37] <IrcsomeBot1> <Santa> well, I just wanted to ask if you are ok with merging into ka-metadata/master these branches: staging, plasma-5.14 and emerald_lake
[12:37] <IrcsomeBot1> <Santa> so we could just prepare master for disco rather than doing it in each and every branch
[12:39] <IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> Yeah, I think reason for having them seperate for a short while have gone now. So go ahead.
[12:39] <IrcsomeBot1> <Santa> allright 👌
[12:47] <IrcsomeBot1> <Santa> Done.
[13:11] <IrcsomeBot1> <MichaelTunnell> is there any technical/legal hurdle for including NTFS and exfat support in Kubuntu by default?
[13:48] <ngraham> MichaelTunnell: does this require packages that are not installed by default or something?
[13:49] <IrcsomeBot1> <MichaelTunnell> yes such as exfat-fuse for example
[13:51] <ngraham> what does "support" mean in this context? FUSE? Visibility in Dolphin? Write support in Dolphin? Something else?
[13:59] <IrcsomeBot1> <MichaelTunnell> allow dolphin to mount these FS without having to know what packages are needed to install. … Ideally I would like people to install the distro and choose to mount and it just works.
[14:00] <IrcsomeBot1> <MichaelTunnell> Dolphin has support for using these FS in general as long as these packages are available to the system. I have used exfat and ntfs in Dolphin previously but it is always a case where I have to install all of the needed packages myself
[14:01] <IrcsomeBot1> <MichaelTunnell> in my limited knowledge of the subject, I believe that if the FS packages were made available by default then Kubuntu would be able to offer them without other effort. I know Dolphin can do it and I have done it in the past. I don't remember it being too difficult to setup other than installing those packages though it certainly has been a while.
[14:02] <IrcsomeBot1> <MichaelTunnell> I am pretty sure Linux Mint Cinnamon ships these packages by default if that helps in some way
[14:05] <IrcsomeBot1> <Lazy B> Well, then micro$oft can charge every vendor who provides preinstalled Linux Mint on their hw
[14:06] <IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> @MichaelTunnell, not sure right this sec. make a task on our phab? those can get forgotten, so please bug until we have a good answer
[14:07] <IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> could be a case of bieng able to include in an install to a hd, but needs to be blacklisted from the built iso, as some codecs are
[14:09] <IrcsomeBot1> <MichaelTunnell> Can the warning message in dolphin be edited when a user tries to mount that stuff?
[14:09] <IrcsomeBot1> <MichaelTunnell> @Lazy B, That's not true anymore due to the OIN membership
[14:10] <IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> hmmm. ntfs-3g is on our iso
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[21:22] <valorie> from #kde-promo: [14:17] <Kon-> Spectacle's rectangle selection UI seemed to be bugged for him, and helpful people in his community are telling him Dolphin doesn't support exFAT when the real reason is Kubuntu doesn't ship exfat-fuse but Mint does
[21:22] <valorie> !info exfat-fuse
[21:22] <ubottu> 'disco' is not a valid distribution: artful, artful-backports, artful-proposed, bionic, bionic-backports, bionic-proposed, cosmic, cosmic-backports, cosmic-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, utopic, utopic-backports, utopic-proposed, vivid, vivid-backports, vivid-proposed, wily, wily-backports
[21:23] <valorie> !info exfat-fuse cosmic
[21:23] <ubottu> exfat-fuse (source: fuse-exfat): read and write exFAT driver for FUSE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.8-1 (cosmic), package size 28 kB, installed size 75 kB (Only available for linux-any; kfreebsd-any)
[21:24] <valorie> with this followup: valorie: I think there might previously have been US legal reason for Ubuntu not shipping exfat-fuse preinstalled. But Microsoft did just release a bunch of patents into OIN, so I think that might no longer be a concern
[21:24] <valorie> oh, michael tunnell was asking earlier
[21:24] <valorie> I'll chime in on the phab when he makes it
[21:27] <ackeronuk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/exfat-utils/+bug/1649537
[21:27] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1649537 in fuse-exfat (Ubuntu) "[MIR] exfat-utils and fuse-exfat" [Undecided,Won't fix]
[21:28] <valorie> https://phabricator.kde.org/T9965
[21:29] <valorie> filed by ngraham
[21:32] <ackeronuk> linked to that bug comment on the task. I don't think we can seed this unless the legal situation is ok'd by Ubuntu/Canonical
[21:34] <valorie> I commented on the BR
[21:34] <valorie> since the situation has changed, and Microsoft now allows it
[21:36] <ackeronuk> lets see how that goes then. maybe poke the powers that be if nothing happens
[21:37] <valorie> right
[21:38] <valorie> we're early in the cycle so we might get this bit done
[21:42] <ackeronuk> WTF does canonical being an associate member of OIN mean?
[21:43] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> they wont get suid for patents like exfat? idk
[21:43] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> oops i mean sued not SUID lmao
[21:44] <ackeronuk> PMSL
[21:46] <IrcsomeBot1> <MichaelTunnell> oops forgot to make the task my bad
[21:46] <IrcsomeBot1> <MichaelTunnell> on the bright side one of my podcasts is almost ready to release :D
[21:47] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> which one @MichaelTunnell
[21:47] <IrcsomeBot1> <MichaelTunnell> Destination Linux
[21:47] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> nice
[21:47] <IrcsomeBot1> <MichaelTunnell> I was also on the latest episode of the Ask Noah Show last night :D
[21:47] <IrcsomeBot1> <MichaelTunnell> and I will be on next week's FLOSS Weekly
[21:47] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> i called into ask noah for the first time a month or two ago
[21:48] <valorie> nice!
[21:48] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> providing a solution
[21:48] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> or rather, an explanation
[21:48] <valorie> @MichaelTunnell you see that ngraham made it, right?
[21:48] <valorie> so chime in there if you have more to add
[21:48] <IrcsomeBot1> <MichaelTunnell> I saw and will do
[21:49] <valorie> \o/
[21:49] <valorie> we have a few months to make this happen so I hope it will get done
[21:49] <IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> @tsimonq2 is making enquiries on the legal side I think
[21:50] <IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> = asking someone in the know
[21:50] <IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> I think
[21:51] <IrcsomeBot1> <MichaelTunnell> nice. I commented and offered an alternative if the legal answer is no.
[21:52] <valorie> I don't see how it could be when MS says explicitly that it is allowed
[21:53] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> and to my knowledge they havent sued mint
[21:53] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> which ships it i think
[21:53] <IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> @pizzadude, Just because they haven't been sued yet doesn't make it legal.
[21:53] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> good point
[21:54] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> but how is it even in the ubuntu repos if its illegal
[21:54] <IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> I have it on good authority that we have more of a spotlight than Mint does :P
[21:54] <IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> @pizzadude, Read the fine print
[21:54] <IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> It can't be shipped in a product or device.
[21:54] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> oh
[21:54] <IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> The archive technically isn't a product.
[21:54] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> but it can be available to install
[21:54] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> if the user wants to
[21:54] <IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> But it's not a part of the default product.
[21:54] <IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> Making it legal (but gray area)
[21:55] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> is it installed if i select "download restricted codecs"
[21:55] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> not sure
[21:56] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> i have it installed but i dont remember installing it
[21:56] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> probably a dependency
[21:58] <IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> Still.
[21:58] <IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> That's not part of the default install.
[21:58] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> i know, i wasnt disputing that
[21:59] <valorie> how are you, @tsimonq2? 
[21:59] <valorie> back to full speed?
[21:59] <IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> Tired and swimming in homework :)
[22:00] <IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> Back to full speed in terms of health, not in involvement yet
[22:00] <valorie> school first, everything else second
[22:00] <valorie> good to hear you are well
[22:02] <IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> Thanks
[22:02] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> good luck on homework
[22:03] <IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> Thanks
[22:03] <IrcsomeBot1> <MichaelTunnell> @pizzadude, if it is, it is still not shipped because that took manual interaction by the user.
[22:06] <IrcsomeBot1> <pizzadude> @MichaelTunnell, i understnad