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qwefytuoitytylxqt Number of desktops always 4? Need two, not 4.  Add the ability to change the number of07:30
white_magicanyone here familiar with lubuntu/openbox/lxde/lxqt? I am trying to create some keyboard shorcuts, but any involving the Super key do not work - and all other key combinations work. Any ideas as to potential causes?17:49
wxlwhite_magic: lxde AND lxqt????17:52
white_magicwxl: i think Lubuntu uses components of lxde and lxqt17:53
white_magicbut i can say for sure that i'm working with openbox17:53
wxlwhite_magic: are you using lubuntu? which version? a fresh install?17:56
white_magicwxl: I'm running Ubuntu 18.10 but I think it might be Lubuntu - I'm looking into that. It's certainly of the lighter variants of ubuntu17:58
wxlwhite_magic: do you have the lubuntu-default-settings package?17:58
white_magiclet me check17:58
white_magicYes17:59
wxlthen it's highly likely you have Lubuntu17:59
white_magici think what i did was install the default version of ubuntu and then installed some lxde/lubuntu related packages and now its effectively lubuntu18:00
wxloh boy18:00
white_magici'm just not sure what is hijacking the super key18:00
wxlthings get very confusing at that point18:00
white_magicwxl: i'm honestly not having any issues other than this. My installation is not borked haha18:00
wxli can only really comment on what lubuntu does18:00
white_magiceverything works great except this 1 type of shortcut18:00
wxlubuntu itself might have some whole set of other issues18:00
wxldo you have pcmanfm or pcmanfm-qt?18:01
white_magic-qt18:01
wxlare you sure you don't have the non-qt version?18:01
wxl(fwiw you might have better luck just installing lubuntu proper)18:01
white_magic100% sure18:01
white_magicno way am I reinstalling.. ive set things up really well - and not for gimmicks, either.. i need a linux environment18:02
wxlok so there are two sets of short cuts, really18:02
white_magicjust like my keybord shortcuts my way18:02
wxlthere are the ones defined by openbox18:02
wxland then there are the ones defined by lxqt-globalkeys18:02
white_magicahh now the latter I am not familiar with18:02
wxlthe latter has the super key set to open the menu18:02
wxlredfinee that setting18:03
white_magicwell i have the related daemon process running18:04
white_magicso you're onto something18:04
wxlyou can define a super key + something shortcut in globalkeys alongside the super key for menu setting18:06
wxlthe problem is that if you're trying to do openbox settings that use the super key, it doesn't behave so well18:07
white_magiclxqt-config-globalkeyshortcuts has some strange behavior - when i try to modify an existing action/shortcut or create a new, there is this countdown at the top of the popup screen where the key combo should be defined18:08
white_magichave you ever seen that?18:08
wxlyep18:08
white_magicohhh18:08
white_magici have to press the keys18:08
wxlit gives you that long to press the keys18:09
white_magicthen it registers them18:09
wxli mean unless you want it to lock up your system waiting XD18:09
white_magichaha18:09
white_magicgood call18:09
white_magicwxl: do you know which config file the global shortcut keys gui writes to?18:15
white_magicthe gui is a bit finnicky, i'd rather just edit the config18:15
wxli can tell you18:16
wxlbut i can also tell you: you don't want to. it's even more finnicky18:16
white_magicI'll take the hint haha18:18
white_magicI think I got it figured out: the shortcut key combo (using the left super key) to launch the start menu in lxqt-config-globalkeyshortcuts was the culprit. I rebound it to something else and now all other Super+? key combos work. So it was taking precedence over all of them.18:20
wxlit's like i said above: you can do super -> menu plus super+somekey -> whatever in globalkeys but if you have that super -> menu set, super + somekey -> whatever in openbox will fail18:21
white_magicso are you saying i should avoid super related key combos in openbox config?18:22
wxlif and only if you want to use the super key to open the menu18:22
wxlbut that could apply to other single key combinations18:23
wxllike if you set right alt to something in global keys then right alt would likely fail in openbox18:23
white_magichmmm i kinda want to use the super key to open the menu but its not nearly as important as using the super key for other combos18:23
white_magici will live18:23
wxlbasically i'd move any shortcut you can into globalkeys wherever possible18:23
white_magicahh let me try that18:23
wxli don't think you can make direct calls to openbox either via command or dbus to get it to do certain things, though18:24
white_magicwell thanks for helping me sort this out18:25
white_magici'm wondering why you've chosen lubuntu - or have you? for me, lxde/lxqt are minimalistic enough that i dont get distracted as much. My PC could handle much fancier DE's but that doesn't help productivity for me18:26
wxli like my os to stay out of the way18:26
wxlno need squandering resources on useless things18:27
white_magicus both, then18:27
white_magici tried to use i3 for like a week18:27
wxland yet it's functional enough to do the trick18:27
white_magicgot reasonably profficient. Decided it was too awkward, still18:27
wxlto be fair, i typically use awesome (another tiling window manager like i3) in lieu of openbox/lxpanel18:27
wxlbut that's just a preference thing18:28
white_magicsooo i got these shorcuts set up now that resize and move around windows18:28
white_magice.g. alt+3 moves it to left half, alt+4 to right half18:28
white_magicothers move it to the other monitor and resize the window18:28
white_magici had this set up on windows and i replicated it 99% on linux18:29
white_magici wish Lubuntu had window snapping though18:29
white_magicbut those keyboard shortcuts enable a similar end result18:29
wxlopenbox has something of the sort18:30
wxli think, at least18:30
white_magici think i'll skip investigating that18:30
wxlsort through the window actions http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Actions#Window_actions18:31
wxlbbl18:31
lubot<marneu> @white_magic [<white_magic> got reasonably profficient. Decided it was too awkward, still], I've used LXQt with i3 since Ubuntu 17.10, works very well! ... You can also try Xfwm or KWin, which have more traditional behavior and come with window snapping out of the box!18:31
white_magicok ttyl18:31
white_magicmarneu: thx for the input - ive never tried xfce18:32
white_magicit looks like a solid alternative to lxde/lxqt18:32
lubot<marneu> LXQt is pretty much WM-agnostic, which might in part be due to how the dev team is split on which WM to make default.18:32
lubot<marneu> Well it is, but LXQt and Xfwm work together nicely.18:32
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lubot<marneu> No need to use all the other Gtk-tainted Xfce components!18:33
white_magictoo many choices18:35
lubot<marneu> yeah its a rabbit hole18:35
white_magicthis is why i like to stick with out of the box solutions.. used to run plain vanilla ubuntu forever - now i think i want something more minimalistic18:36
lubot<marneu> first you're sick of mouse-driven window management, then you start compiling forks of window managers from source18:36
white_magici think its important to avoid busywork - which is a very easy trap with linux18:37
white_magiceasy to spend days upon days trying out 'better alternatives' .. thats why a minimalistic, yet polished DE/UI are best18:37
lubot<marneu> true that. to be fair, 1. I've used i3 for years, now (and it turned out that LXQt plays the nicest with it)18:38
lubot<marneu> 2. I'm a dev, so I kinda get paid for tinkering :D18:38
white_magicmarneu: i honestly liked i3 a LOT but it was just a bit rough around the edges. For example, I'd like to be able to use the mouse to move the windows around and snap them in place18:39
white_magicthere were some awkward hacky ways to do it but ehhhh18:39
white_magicoverall it was an interesting experience but i cant say that a tiling manager actually makes you productive until you have 100% figured out all the shortcuts and have customized it fully18:40
lubot<marneu> eh, I already used the Super + arrow key combo a lot back in Windows 718:41
lubot<marneu> i3's shortcuts feel super natural to me18:41
white_magicahhh well i got a better setup going for windows - i dont like the idea of using 2 hands for those kinds of shortcuts18:41
lubot<marneu> especially since I really hate using touchpads18:41
white_magici use kb shortcuts that only require my left hand to move windows around18:42
lubot<marneu> I pretty much always have two hands on the keyboard, except maybe when I'm browsing the web. ... What shortcuts do you use for that?18:42
white_magicwhat shortcuts do i use for window management?18:43
white_magicmarneu: mostly these: https://pastebin.com/q7EfLA4a18:44
lubot<marneu> You're snapping windows with Alt-3 / Alt-4? Bold18:45
lubot<marneu> Pretty cool, though.18:46
white_magichaha you like it18:46
white_magici've been using those key combos for like 2 years now18:46
lubot<marneu> Damn, that might be longer than I'm using tiling WMs.18:48
lynorianWell the gtk LXDE did not work the best with i319:06

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