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[07:30] <qwefytuoityty> lxqt Number of desktops always 4? Need two, not 4.  Add the ability to change the number of
[17:49] <white_magic> anyone here familiar with lubuntu/openbox/lxde/lxqt? I am trying to create some keyboard shorcuts, but any involving the Super key do not work - and all other key combinations work. Any ideas as to potential causes?
[17:52] <wxl> white_magic: lxde AND lxqt????
[17:53] <white_magic> wxl: i think Lubuntu uses components of lxde and lxqt
[17:53] <white_magic> but i can say for sure that i'm working with openbox
[17:56] <wxl> white_magic: are you using lubuntu? which version? a fresh install?
[17:58] <white_magic> wxl: I'm running Ubuntu 18.10 but I think it might be Lubuntu - I'm looking into that. It's certainly of the lighter variants of ubuntu
[17:58] <wxl> white_magic: do you have the lubuntu-default-settings package?
[17:58] <white_magic> let me check
[17:59] <white_magic> Yes
[17:59] <wxl> then it's highly likely you have Lubuntu
[18:00] <white_magic> i think what i did was install the default version of ubuntu and then installed some lxde/lubuntu related packages and now its effectively lubuntu
[18:00] <wxl> oh boy
[18:00] <white_magic> i'm just not sure what is hijacking the super key
[18:00] <wxl> things get very confusing at that point
[18:00] <white_magic> wxl: i'm honestly not having any issues other than this. My installation is not borked haha
[18:00] <wxl> i can only really comment on what lubuntu does
[18:00] <white_magic> everything works great except this 1 type of shortcut
[18:00] <wxl> ubuntu itself might have some whole set of other issues
[18:01] <wxl> do you have pcmanfm or pcmanfm-qt?
[18:01] <white_magic> -qt
[18:01] <wxl> are you sure you don't have the non-qt version?
[18:01] <wxl> (fwiw you might have better luck just installing lubuntu proper)
[18:01] <white_magic> 100% sure
[18:02] <white_magic> no way am I reinstalling.. ive set things up really well - and not for gimmicks, either.. i need a linux environment
[18:02] <wxl> ok so there are two sets of short cuts, really
[18:02] <white_magic> just like my keybord shortcuts my way
[18:02] <wxl> there are the ones defined by openbox
[18:02] <wxl> and then there are the ones defined by lxqt-globalkeys
[18:02] <white_magic> ahh now the latter I am not familiar with
[18:02] <wxl> the latter has the super key set to open the menu
[18:03] <wxl> redfinee that setting
[18:04] <white_magic> well i have the related daemon process running
[18:04] <white_magic> so you're onto something
[18:06] <wxl> you can define a super key + something shortcut in globalkeys alongside the super key for menu setting
[18:07] <wxl> the problem is that if you're trying to do openbox settings that use the super key, it doesn't behave so well
[18:08] <white_magic> lxqt-config-globalkeyshortcuts has some strange behavior - when i try to modify an existing action/shortcut or create a new, there is this countdown at the top of the popup screen where the key combo should be defined
[18:08] <white_magic> have you ever seen that?
[18:08] <wxl> yep
[18:08] <white_magic> ohhh
[18:08] <white_magic> i have to press the keys
[18:09] <wxl> it gives you that long to press the keys
[18:09] <white_magic> then it registers them
[18:09] <wxl> i mean unless you want it to lock up your system waiting XD
[18:09] <white_magic> haha
[18:09] <white_magic> good call
[18:15] <white_magic> wxl: do you know which config file the global shortcut keys gui writes to?
[18:15] <white_magic> the gui is a bit finnicky, i'd rather just edit the config
[18:16] <wxl> i can tell you
[18:16] <wxl> but i can also tell you: you don't want to. it's even more finnicky
[18:18] <white_magic> I'll take the hint haha
[18:20] <white_magic> I think I got it figured out: the shortcut key combo (using the left super key) to launch the start menu in lxqt-config-globalkeyshortcuts was the culprit. I rebound it to something else and now all other Super+? key combos work. So it was taking precedence over all of them.
[18:21] <wxl> it's like i said above: you can do super -> menu plus super+somekey -> whatever in globalkeys but if you have that super -> menu set, super + somekey -> whatever in openbox will fail
[18:22] <white_magic> so are you saying i should avoid super related key combos in openbox config?
[18:22] <wxl> if and only if you want to use the super key to open the menu
[18:23] <wxl> but that could apply to other single key combinations
[18:23] <wxl> like if you set right alt to something in global keys then right alt would likely fail in openbox
[18:23] <white_magic> hmmm i kinda want to use the super key to open the menu but its not nearly as important as using the super key for other combos
[18:23] <white_magic> i will live
[18:23] <wxl> basically i'd move any shortcut you can into globalkeys wherever possible
[18:23] <white_magic> ahh let me try that
[18:24] <wxl> i don't think you can make direct calls to openbox either via command or dbus to get it to do certain things, though
[18:25] <white_magic> well thanks for helping me sort this out
[18:26] <white_magic> i'm wondering why you've chosen lubuntu - or have you? for me, lxde/lxqt are minimalistic enough that i dont get distracted as much. My PC could handle much fancier DE's but that doesn't help productivity for me
[18:26] <wxl> i like my os to stay out of the way
[18:27] <wxl> no need squandering resources on useless things
[18:27] <white_magic> us both, then
[18:27] <white_magic> i tried to use i3 for like a week
[18:27] <wxl> and yet it's functional enough to do the trick
[18:27] <white_magic> got reasonably profficient. Decided it was too awkward, still
[18:27] <wxl> to be fair, i typically use awesome (another tiling window manager like i3) in lieu of openbox/lxpanel
[18:28] <wxl> but that's just a preference thing
[18:28] <white_magic> sooo i got these shorcuts set up now that resize and move around windows
[18:28] <white_magic> e.g. alt+3 moves it to left half, alt+4 to right half
[18:28] <white_magic> others move it to the other monitor and resize the window
[18:29] <white_magic> i had this set up on windows and i replicated it 99% on linux
[18:29] <white_magic> i wish Lubuntu had window snapping though
[18:29] <white_magic> but those keyboard shortcuts enable a similar end result
[18:30] <wxl> openbox has something of the sort
[18:30] <wxl> i think, at least
[18:30] <white_magic> i think i'll skip investigating that
[18:31] <wxl> sort through the window actions http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Actions#Window_actions
[18:31] <wxl> bbl
 @white_magic [<white_magic> got reasonably profficient. Decided it was too awkward, still], I've used LXQt with i3 since Ubuntu 17.10, works very well! ... You can also try Xfwm or KWin, which have more traditional behavior and come with window snapping out of the box!
[18:31] <white_magic> ok ttyl
[18:32] <white_magic> marneu: thx for the input - ive never tried xfce
[18:32] <white_magic> it looks like a solid alternative to lxde/lxqt
 LXQt is pretty much WM-agnostic, which might in part be due to how the dev team is split on which WM to make default.
 Well it is, but LXQt and Xfwm work together nicely.
 No need to use all the other Gtk-tainted Xfce components!
[18:35] <white_magic> too many choices
 yeah its a rabbit hole
[18:36] <white_magic> this is why i like to stick with out of the box solutions.. used to run plain vanilla ubuntu forever - now i think i want something more minimalistic
 first you're sick of mouse-driven window management, then you start compiling forks of window managers from source
[18:37] <white_magic> i think its important to avoid busywork - which is a very easy trap with linux
[18:37] <white_magic> easy to spend days upon days trying out 'better alternatives' .. thats why a minimalistic, yet polished DE/UI are best
 true that. to be fair, 1. I've used i3 for years, now (and it turned out that LXQt plays the nicest with it)
 2. I'm a dev, so I kinda get paid for tinkering :D
[18:39] <white_magic> marneu: i honestly liked i3 a LOT but it was just a bit rough around the edges. For example, I'd like to be able to use the mouse to move the windows around and snap them in place
[18:39] <white_magic> there were some awkward hacky ways to do it but ehhhh
[18:40] <white_magic> overall it was an interesting experience but i cant say that a tiling manager actually makes you productive until you have 100% figured out all the shortcuts and have customized it fully
 eh, I already used the Super + arrow key combo a lot back in Windows 7
 i3's shortcuts feel super natural to me
[18:41] <white_magic> ahhh well i got a better setup going for windows - i dont like the idea of using 2 hands for those kinds of shortcuts
 especially since I really hate using touchpads
[18:42] <white_magic> i use kb shortcuts that only require my left hand to move windows around
 I pretty much always have two hands on the keyboard, except maybe when I'm browsing the web. ... What shortcuts do you use for that?
[18:43] <white_magic> what shortcuts do i use for window management?
[18:44] <white_magic> marneu: mostly these: https://pastebin.com/q7EfLA4a
 You're snapping windows with Alt-3 / Alt-4? Bold
 Pretty cool, though.
[18:46] <white_magic> haha you like it
[18:46] <white_magic> i've been using those key combos for like 2 years now
 Damn, that might be longer than I'm using tiling WMs.
[19:06] <lynorian> Well the gtk LXDE did not work the best with i3