[00:02] <UBuxuBU> whoah
[00:02] <UBuxuBU> why so long
[00:18] <MKUltraMagnus> the price of a volunteer, open-source software project of any non-trivial size
[00:22] <kumool> MKUltraMagnus, ??
[00:35] <MKUltraMagnus> for the bugs to be fixed you need to have people who have both skill, time, interest, resources, and experience (depending on the nature of the bug and where its placed)
[00:36] <MKUltraMagnus> xubuntu can rely on some paid support / updates flowing downstream from the core ubuntu project (which does have some commercial funding or support) but otherwise you're at the mercy of the perfect storm of an interested developer finding the time to do it, and if its complicated enough of a fix, then sticking with it long enough to see it through the dev lifecycle
[00:37] <kumool> the state of OSS would be fixed with a issue/bounty system where funds could be allocated by anyone for any purpose
[00:38] <MKUltraMagnus> they tried that already in a lot of places, all it lead to was people farming the system by just powering through all the easy bugs and not handling the other ones, or the funding only goes towards bugs whose resolution benefit particular interests only
[00:38] <kumool> nah, they haven't
[00:39] <MKUltraMagnus> they launch new versions of that every year in the cybersecurity fields
[00:39] <kumool> tell me where i can easily add funds to whichever feature i want
[00:40] <kumool> they try and they fail, because they don't know how to do it
[00:40] <kumool> so far, i have not seen one
[00:41] <kumool> well, just one
[00:42] <MKUltraMagnus> bountysource and hackerone are the two that spring to mind
[00:42] <MKUltraMagnus> hackerone just does company sponsorships iirc which is just a roundabout way of doing 'paid internships where you only work on one thing'
[00:43] <MKUltraMagnus> oracle did a security-focused one if i remember right as well
[00:44] <kumool> yeah but the project maintainer needs a cut as well
[00:44] <kumool> it seems there is no incentive to merge
[00:44] <MKUltraMagnus> if management wants the rewards they should do the work
[00:45] <kumool> maintainer, that is, whoever is in charge of the project
[00:46] <MKUltraMagnus> besides ive been a software dev for like a decade now and i can tell you that anyone who can claim that they are 100% solely responsible for resolving anything is just straight-up lying
[00:46] <kumool> from what i see in bountysource they don't want to merge the code
[00:47] <kumool> i mean, sometimes its true
[00:49] <MKUltraMagnus> trust me, a good tester or qa person is twice as important as your average code monkey
[00:50] <MKUltraMagnus> and if it involves ui? find an ux and accessiability person to be your best friend
[00:50] <MKUltraMagnus> writing code can take time and skill but it's usually straightforward
[00:56] <UBuxuBU> well the fix i need is quite easy
[00:56] <UBuxuBU> its a no brainer
[00:56] <UBuxuBU> in fac tthe fix is already out there somewhere right now
[03:36] <xubuntu79i> hello
[03:37] <xubuntu79i> did anybody install xubuntu to an external hard drive then use it at work instead of windows like me?
[12:30] <nopja> how can i change the name that secound login after the crypt password
[12:35] <gnrp> nopja: What name do you mean?
[12:37] <nopja> gnrp i mean the login that comes up after logging out and to change user screen, how do i change that name?
[12:39] <gnrp> you mean the full name? That is in your personal details
[12:39] <gnrp> or do you mean the name that is there by default?
[12:47] <nopja> gnrp i mean the secound login promp after i have logged in on the first one crypto login. sorry i dont know how to explain it, hope you understand
[12:52] <Iolo> By "crypto login", do you mean unlocking an encrypted hard drive?
[13:12] <nopja> theres one login thats crypto password then a secound login prompt as in username
[13:13] <nopja> i want to use that username where all user accounts are displaid
[13:14] <nopja> to change  that
[16:29] <xubuntu01w> I just reinstalled 18.04. As with a previous installation there my Rosewill usb pcie card does not show up, and the flash drives connected into it.
[16:29] <xubuntu01w> Any advice?
[16:33] <xubuntu01w> This is a link in amazon.com: rosewill rc-508 usb 3.0 pci-e express card with 4 usb 3.0 ports
[16:35] <brainwash> and how are we supposed to help you?
[16:35] <brainwash> did you already google "card name + linux"?
[16:36] <xubuntu01w> Well, Xubuntu 16.04 did recognize all my flash drives and usb connections, but the new installation does not. Is there a fix?
[16:37] <xubuntu01w> Out of frustration previously I returned to an old installation. This may be the only answer to the problem for now.
[16:37] <brainwash> then it may be a known issue
[16:38] <xubuntu01w> Yes.
[16:40] <brainwash> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1060167/issue-with-rosewill-rc-508-pcie-usb3-0-card-not-connecting-ubuntu-16-04
[16:41] <xubuntu01w> Thanks for the information!
[16:41] <brainwash> according to that user, the card does not work 100% in 16.04 either
[16:46] <xubuntu01w> I haven't experienced problem in 16.04.
[16:49] <brainwash> then it may be something that you should report to the bug tracker
[17:42] <_freenoder> When i connect to my vpn and try to download a torrent it goes at a snails pace, doesn't matter the torrent be it an utuntu iso or somethign else
[17:43] <_freenoder> i tried xubuntu live and installing the vpn and downloading a torrent and it was a normal speed Mbits instead of bits
[17:43] <_freenoder> so it seems its something on my box and not the vpn provider
[17:43] <_freenoder> how can i go about diagnosing the problem? logs etc?
[18:12] <_freenoder> nada?
[18:14] <brainwash> _freenoder: maybe test with a second user account
[18:14] <brainwash> checking the logs is obviously something that should be done too
[18:14] <_freenoder> hadnt thought about that. thx, will give that a try
[18:15] <_freenoder> sorry, but where/which logs?
[18:15] <brainwash> it could be something specific to a user setting
[18:15] <brainwash> well, "dmesg" and "journalctl"
[18:15] <brainwash> also, check ~/.xsession-errors
[18:16] <_freenoder> ah, again thanks, will give it a try
[19:32] <pwaring> Is anyone aware of a bug whereby a laptop screen powers off after inactivity, after upgrading to 18.10?
[19:33] <pwaring> Nothing seems to bring it back up
[19:47] <brainwash> pwaring: caused by the screen locker?
[20:04] <xubuntu038> Hello I need help with getting a Canon printer to scan.
[20:07] <pwaring> brainwash: seems so, in the end I rebooted and changed power saving prefs
[20:07] <pwaring> Didn't happen on 18.04
[20:07] <brainwash> pwaring: power saving?
[20:07] <brainwash> I was talking about the screen locker
[20:07] <brainwash> the thing that locks the user session
[20:11] <pwaring> It looks like this bug:
[20:12] <pwaring> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1259339
[20:45] <xubuntu038> Still hoping someone can help me get my Canon mulitifunction printer to scan. I would be exceedingly grateful.
[20:46] <brainwash> xubuntu038: best to ask in #ubuntu then
[20:47] <brainwash> way more users over there
[20:51] <xubuntu038> OK, will try that. Thanks Brainwash.
[21:03] <xubuntu592> Hello. I was just chatting with brainwash. Can you help me register my nick (I am confused). Ubuntu wants it.
[21:20] <UBuxuBU> does anyone know why i am getting this silly error message in xubuntu 184 04   http://i.imgur.com/hfFL73y.png
[21:21] <UBuxuBU> very strange thinng to add to the OS
[21:23] <UBuxuBU> the OS darkens my screen if i  dont use ot for a lil while then i log back in and get this ridiculous message
[21:40] <brainwash> xubuntu592: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
[21:43] <xubuntu592> Thanks, Brainwash. I tried, but forgot the /. Oops
[21:50] <xubuntu592> Now I am confused as to how to log in. Gonna try <account>:<password>
[21:51] <xubuntu592> Sorry, Brainwash. Just tried and revealed my password again. Now I need to configure SASL?
[21:53] <brainwash> you don't have to, and you only can if you use a non web IRC client
[21:54] <brainwash> did you register "xubuntu592"?
[21:58] <xubuntu592> I do not think so. The email was addressed to the "name assigned by freenode" where I sent the proper message (with/) at ubuntu freenode channel.
[22:00] <xubuntu592> And the messages there said I was registered and stated my reg. name and password. (sorry for the confusion about another channel)
[22:01] <xubuntu592> So I guess I am live on that channel, but how do I log in here, when I get the message that there is some sort of problem and only registered nicks are allowed? Just asking.
[22:03] <brainwash> well uhm
[22:04] <xubuntu592> Says I am verified, but does not look right. Still has that "need to register" message at top. No messages other than people leaving and connecting.Sorry, for my utter lack of experience.
[22:05] <brainwash> you could join #freenode and ask for assistance
[22:06] <xubuntu592> But I am listed as connected on list at right. Very top line still says ubuntu unregged.
[22:06] <brainwash> other than that, try to log in via https://webchat.freenode.net/
[22:06] <xubuntu592> Gonna try freenode.
[22:06] <brainwash> or via a desktop IRC client
[22:31] <xubuntu592> Sorry. I registered just fine, but when I try to re connect to the Ubuntu channe, I am not logged in. Do I try <account>:<password>?
[22:39] <xubuntu592> I tried that, and just revealed my password, but am not logged in. Can I get some more help in logging in at the Ubuntu help channel?
[22:42] <kumool> its better to go in #help for irc related help
[22:43] <kumool> xubuntu592, change your nick first to the nick that you want
[22:44] <kumool> then type { /msg nickserv help register } and follow the instructions
[22:44] <kumool> followed by /msg nickserv identify <your password goes here>
[22:44] <kumool> you can change your password as well, but if you never registered dont worry about it
[22:46] <xubuntu592> It said I registered. Now I am very confused. Sorry. CTCP version?
[22:46] <kumool> dont worry about that
[22:46] <xubuntu592> How di I change nicks?
[22:46] <kumool> xubuntu592, what are you confused about?
[22:46] <kumool> type /nick <nick>
[22:49] <xubuntu592> I got an email confirming account registration. Addressed me by the name that Ubuntu IRC channel had assigned me. I just tried /nick <nick> and nothing happened (which I assume means I did something wrong).
[22:50]  * kumool sighs
[22:50] <xubuntu592> Sorry to elicit sighs. This syntax and nomenclature are brand new to me today.
[22:51] <kumool> /nick <take off the brackets>
[22:51] <kumool> /nick <names cant have spaces either>
[22:51] <xubuntu592> OK
[22:51] <kumool> its fine, its been a long day
[22:52] <kumool> oh my
[22:52] <kumool> well thats not a good nick but ok
[22:53] <kumool> anyway, if thats the nick you chose and its registered, try /msg nickserv identify <password>
[22:53] <qwebirc45255> That is the name under which I am registered. Yes, I never would have chosen that nick, and in fact tried / thought I used another, but what am I gonna do except plow onward?
[22:54] <kumool> you can just register another, but if its temporal it doesnt matter
[22:54] <Unit193> See also: /msg nickserv help group  and  /msg nickserv help set accountname
[22:56] <qwebirc45255> I am not identified, and I might be wrong, but I think my password just went out. Now, I think I get it. I can use something like /msg nickserv <account>:<password> to log in when I get to Ubuntu unregged IRC.
[22:56] <qwebirc45255> I meant NOW identified. I have problems typing accurately also which does not help in the least.
[22:57] <kumool> /msg nickserv <account>:<password> will fail though
[22:58] <qwebirc45255> Please set me right. I promise to omit < and >.
[23:00] <kumool> what you're doing is sending a private message to nickserv, so /msg nickserv <command> <parameter>, if you would like to see the list of commands nickserv has, then /msg nickserv help
[23:02] <kumool> help being the command, you can try help account or help identify for more info
[23:03] <kumool> on those commands
[23:03] <kumool> bbl, good luck!
[23:05] <qwebirc45255> I'm looking. Nickserv- GROUP would log me in when I am at the Ubuntu unregged channel? This is what I need, but I realize I am not even asking the question which would solve this for me.
[23:06] <qwebirc45255> I might seem dense or uncooperative, but this is my very first day at this.
[23:08] <qwebirc45255> Have I lost the use of my nick? I thought I /it was registered.
[23:10] <qwebirc45255> OK. Account and nick are different.
[23:10] <qwebirc45255> NickServ- Group
[23:10] <kumool> qwebirc45255, wait wait wait
[23:11] <kumool> what channel are you trying to join qwebirc45255 ?
[23:12] <kumool> qwebirc45255, you are logged in already, you can /join #ubuntu
[23:12] <kumool> and ask your question
[23:12] <kumool> though i thought ubuntu was public
[23:12] <Unit193> It is +r
[23:12] <kumool> restricted? i forgot what that meant
[23:13] <qwebirc45255> I need to join Ubuntu help. Do I connect and then use NickServ- <GROUP> where <GROUP> would be #ubuntu
[23:13] <Unit193> Registered only.
[23:13] <kumool> ah
[23:13] <kumool> qwebirc45255, type /join #ubuntu
[23:13] <kumool> and then you'll be in #ubuntu
[23:13] <kumool> but you can ask for support here for your question
[23:15] <qwebirc45255> I guess it is true. Even tiny acts of technology seem like magic to the uninitiated. I am now in #ubuntu "not restricted". Thank you kumool
[23:16] <kumool> any questions about irc go to #help (as in, /join #help)
[23:18] <qwebirc45255> Got it. Not to complain, but two hours ago, I started trying to get help here, was sent to #ubuntu, registered, now I can try to ask my question there. Thank you kumool again, and I guess I do like to complain.
[23:33] <MKUltraMagnus> anyone else having a 50/50 crash of plymouthd on startup?