| idioterna | it's our third year exploring it | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| idioterna | https://bou.si/pic/batch/kras | 00:00 |
| kristian1 | I recently heard that the hospitality of the Vietnamese has been to the point where they no longer like tourists ... very sad | 00:00 |
| idioterna | pics | 00:00 |
| idioterna | yeah i can imagine | 00:00 |
| idioterna | ljubljana is overflowing with tourists in the summer | 00:00 |
| idioterna | but not so much the rest of the year | 00:00 |
| kristian1 | are those your pics? | 00:00 |
| idioterna | yeah | 00:01 |
| idioterna | from my phone | 00:01 |
| idioterna | i haven't copied canon's memory card yet | 00:01 |
| kristian1 | stunning landscape, and your family looks nice :) | 00:01 |
| idioterna | if you ever come during summer, i have to recommend my favourite bicycle ride | 00:02 |
| idioterna | but you can do it with a car as well | 00:02 |
| idioterna | or a motorcycle if that's your thing | 00:02 |
| idioterna | i took my coworker from helsinki | 00:02 |
| idioterna | https://bou.si/pic/batch/alpe-with-kalle | 00:02 |
| kristian1 | I've not been on a bike for 25 years or so | 00:02 |
| kristian1 | more beautiful landscapes there | 00:03 |
| kristian1 | have you been to Romania? I was surprised that the Carpathians are so prominent and beautiful | 00:03 |
| idioterna | no, but a guy i know came back two weeks ago and his pics were amazing | 00:04 |
| idioterna | of the mountain roads mostly | 00:04 |
| idioterna | i've been to bulgaria, it's very similar | 00:04 |
| kristian1 | also a ton of citadels in the mountains | 00:04 |
| idioterna | yeah | 00:04 |
| kristian1 | I have been told that, yes | 00:04 |
| kristian1 | it's crazy how we got all these apps and websites to save time | 00:05 |
| kristian1 | and we're total slaves of them | 00:05 |
| idioterna | hehe | 00:05 |
| idioterna | well i'm lucky that way | 00:06 |
| idioterna | i've saved up enough for retirement by the time i was 35 | 00:06 |
| idioterna | so now i just work for fun | 00:06 |
| idioterna | i've been taking care of my grandma for a couple of years now | 00:06 |
| kristian1 | I can't even afford to die and I'm almost 40 :( | 00:06 |
| kristian1 | https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13856206?adults=1&children=0&infants=0&toddlers=0&check_in=2018-11-16&check_out=2018-11-19&s=saGOr5P2 | 00:06 |
| kristian1 | does that link work? | 00:06 |
| idioterna | yeah, but it's way outside city center | 00:07 |
| kristian1 | bugger | 00:07 |
| idioterna | let me find one for you | 00:07 |
| kristian1 | very kind of you | 00:08 |
| kristian1 | I'm looking for something where I don't disturb people if I'm home late ... I won't be partying, but the trips may take a long time | 00:08 |
| idioterna | https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/15021326?s=eJ1ir4Ph | 00:09 |
| idioterna | this one is the cheapest i can find in the city centre | 00:09 |
| kristian1 | I need one that is available from the 16th to the 19th | 00:10 |
| kristian1 | sorry I forgot to mention that | 00:10 |
| kristian1 | but dead center is not required ... walking distance would be nice though | 00:10 |
| kristian1 | https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/18120290?adults=1&children=0&infants=0&toddlers=0&check_in=2018-11-16&check_out=2018-11-19&s=saGOr5P2 | 00:11 |
| kristian1 | hurm, also looks like it's a bit from the actual town | 00:12 |
| idioterna | no this is way outside town | 00:12 |
| idioterna | like 20 minutes with a bike | 00:12 |
| idioterna | https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13168644?adults=1&check_in=2018-11-16&check_out=2018-11-19&s=6iRgk_4w is a room in the centre | 00:14 |
| idioterna | https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/26362715?adults=1&check_in=2018-11-16&check_out=2018-11-19&s=6iRgk_4w looks ok too | 00:15 |
| kristian1 | that's the same link :) | 00:15 |
| idioterna | no | 00:16 |
| idioterna | the number is different :) | 00:16 |
| idioterna | behind rooms/ | 00:16 |
| kristian1 | ah! | 00:17 |
| idioterna | it's weird that for your dates there's a lot less available | 00:18 |
| kristian1 | that's just my famous luck | 00:19 |
| kristian1 | :) | 00:19 |
| kristian1 | "You will get your own set of keys, and you may come and go as you please." | 00:19 |
| kristian1 | but also talk of a baby | 00:19 |
| idioterna | i don't think the place is set up in a way that they'd be bothered by people coming and going | 00:20 |
| kristian1 | that's not the impression I get either | 00:20 |
| kristian1 | you know how it is when you go on a trip ... sometimes you're home very late | 00:21 |
| idioterna | yeah i know | 00:21 |
| idioterna | i've been to airbnbs in copenhagen a lot in the past year | 00:21 |
| kristian1 | it's nice with the metro net that you can stay somewhere like Valby and zoom into Copenhagen fast and cheaply | 00:24 |
| kristian1 | also, center Cph is not really nice | 00:24 |
| idioterna | yeah it's built up much more than ljubljana | 00:24 |
| kristian1 | dirty, noisy ... aggressive | 00:25 |
| idioterna | ljubljana is trying hard in the recent years to become greener, but it's always been quite green | 00:25 |
| kristian1 | <-- not much of a Copenhagen fan | 00:25 |
| idioterna | i really liked roskilde | 00:25 |
| kristian1 | but one thing I should take into consideration is that I don't know this town at all ... so a bit of commute will be an experience | 00:25 |
| kristian1 | Roskilde is nicer | 00:25 |
| kristian1 | do you know Frederiksberg? | 00:26 |
| idioterna | yeah | 00:26 |
| idioterna | i've been there for a week in june | 00:26 |
| kristian1 | that's like the nice part of Copenhagen | 00:26 |
| idioterna | yeah it was much nicer | 00:26 |
| idioterna | we could keep windows open at night and sleep nice | 00:26 |
| kristian1 | are you aware it's the only part of Copenhagen with a non-socialist mayor? | 00:26 |
| idioterna | no | 00:26 |
| kristian1 | that's quite funny | 00:26 |
| kristian1 | all big cities are red but Copenhagen is virtually communist | 00:27 |
| kristian1 | lots of corruption scandals recently with their "Enhedslisten" mayors | 00:27 |
| kristian1 | sorry ... I'll shut up about Danish politics now :) | 00:27 |
| idioterna | i don't mind | 00:27 |
| idioterna | i'm a communist as well, philosophically | 00:28 |
| kristian1 | well ... | 00:28 |
| idioterna | well, an anarchist-syndicalist, but those are nuances that are not really important :) | 00:28 |
| idioterna | but i do agree communism very much lends itself to corruption | 00:28 |
| kristian1 | I've had great pleasure in reading Walter Benjamin, and I think your guy provides some nice commentary ... but I'm opposed to communism as a political system as it has never worked | 00:29 |
| idioterna | it can't really work without total transparency and very high levels of political engagement | 00:29 |
| idioterna | well it has worked | 00:29 |
| kristian1 | yeah, and most people don't care and never will | 00:29 |
| kristian1 | I | 00:29 |
| kristian1 | * I'm curious now ... where? | 00:29 |
| idioterna | but isn't really applicable in most situations | 00:29 |
| kristian1 | Tito? | 00:30 |
| idioterna | no no god no | 00:30 |
| idioterna | yugoslavia under tito was a dictatorship | 00:30 |
| kristian1 | I know some people miss him | 00:30 |
| kristian1 | but yes it was | 00:30 |
| idioterna | well, that's the thing | 00:30 |
| idioterna | if you're a dictator, you can cater for the part of population that supports you | 00:30 |
| idioterna | if you're a socialist dictator, you can even be "democratic" | 00:30 |
| kristian1 | he seems to me (as an outsider) to have been the least horrible communist dictator, maybe | 00:31 |
| idioterna | we didn't need as much repression because the state could let people cross the border to buy stuff in the west | 00:31 |
| idioterna | and work there and bring money home | 00:31 |
| idioterna | and people loved the system because "everyone had jobs and housing" | 00:31 |
| idioterna | but that's not what was happening | 00:32 |
| idioterna | there were regions that were lagging behind more and more | 00:32 |
| idioterna | anyway, this is a really long debate we're starting | 00:32 |
| kristian1 | yes, at a bad hour | 00:32 |
| idioterna | there are a number of small communes that successfully implemented socialist ideas and a communist way of doing governance | 00:32 |
| idioterna | mostly these were jewish kibbutzes | 00:33 |
| idioterna | and some spanish villages | 00:33 |
| kristian1 | ah, now I follow your line of thinking | 00:33 |
| idioterna | there's an interesting experiment going on in northern free syria | 00:33 |
| idioterna | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Federation_of_Northern_Syria | 00:33 |
| linkdoggo | ^ Democratic Federation of Northern Syria - Wikipedia https://tinyurl.com/y8ktqady ^ | 00:33 |
| kristian1 | for small communities that people can leave if they don't like it ... it may work | 00:33 |
| idioterna | but i don't think it can last long without a lot of support from outside | 00:34 |
| idioterna | yeah that's usually the problem | 00:34 |
| idioterna | people who pull more than their fair share tend to leave because they get a better deal elsewhere | 00:34 |
| idioterna | slovenia is a kind of a weird country because we've got insanely small income inequality and almost no violent crime to speak of | 00:35 |
| idioterna | nobody believes anyone else is actually rich | 00:35 |
| idioterna | and it's kind of true | 00:35 |
| kristian1 | as a nationwide system, communism always relies on violence | 00:35 |
| idioterna | yeah, it has | 00:35 |
| kristian1 | Denmark is very equal as well | 00:35 |
| idioterna | and it makes sense, because without repression, there's no incentive to remain a part of it | 00:35 |
| kristian1 | yeah | 00:36 |
| idioterna | but we now have russian millionaires and english families moving in | 00:36 |
| idioterna | because it's cheap and we still have an amazing quality of life | 00:36 |
| idioterna | both work-life balance wise and stuff like health care and crime levels and school system | 00:37 |
| idioterna | there's problems in all of those areas, but nothing really horrible | 00:37 |
| kristian1 | sorry, did I ask about this one? | 00:37 |
| kristian1 | https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13856206?adults=1&children=0&infants=0&toddlers=0&check_in=2018-11-16&check_out=2018-11-19&s=saGOr5P2 | 00:37 |
| idioterna | it's about a 15 minute walk | 00:38 |
| kristian1 | that's not too bad | 00:38 |
| idioterna | no, it's fine | 00:38 |
| idioterna | looks ok | 00:38 |
| kristian1 | I had the most horrible experience in Warsaw a few years ago | 00:38 |
| idioterna | with airbnb? | 00:39 |
| kristian1 | I did not read the description properly ... my (dirt cheap) room was behind the bedroom of the host | 00:39 |
| kristian1 | insanely awkward | 00:39 |
| kristian1 | yeah, it was no fault of anyone but me ... | 00:39 |
| idioterna | well, that depends on how religious they are i suppose :) | 00:39 |
| idioterna | i hope they didn't keep you awake :) | 00:40 |
| kristian1 | they did not | 00:40 |
| kristian1 | nice people | 00:40 |
| idioterna | still feels like you have to kiss them good night or something :) | 00:42 |
| kristian1 | yeah | 00:42 |
| kristian1 | I'm that age where you have to go to the bathroom at night | 00:42 |
| kristian1 | especially after a long day of Polish cafés | 00:43 |
| kristian1 | I cringe when I think of that place :) | 00:43 |
| idioterna | yeah i can imagine | 00:43 |
| kristian1 | sorry, one redundant question | 00:44 |
| kristian1 | https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/18120290?adults=1&children=0&infants=0&toddlers=0&check_in=2018-11-16&check_out=2018-11-19&s=saGOr5P2 | 00:44 |
| kristian1 | this one is how far from town center by bus do you think? | 00:44 |
| idioterna | there's no bus there | 00:44 |
| idioterna | there's number 12 but it doesn't run on weekends i think | 00:45 |
| idioterna | and it runs every hour or so | 00:45 |
| kristian1 | "There is bus stop in 3 min from house." | 00:45 |
| idioterna | yeah, not a good bus | 00:45 |
| idioterna | maybe i'm biased a bit :) | 00:46 |
| idioterna | yeah http://www.lpp.si/sites/default/files/lpp_vozniredi/iskalnik/tmp/files/867/12_B_204071.pdf | 00:47 |
| linkdoggo | ^ https://tinyurl.com/yb7sw7pd ^ | 00:47 |
| idioterna | every 70 minutes | 00:48 |
| idioterna | bad bus :) | 00:48 |
| kristian1 | https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13856206?s=51 | 00:48 |
| idioterna | even on workdays it doesn't go frequently | 00:48 |
| kristian1 | I guess this is it | 00:48 |
| idioterna | this one is much closer | 00:49 |
| idioterna | it's a 15 minute walk or so | 00:50 |
| idioterna | not in a very interesting part of town | 00:50 |
| idioterna | https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13540105 is like 5 minutes from the center | 00:50 |
| idioterna | but looks a little shady | 00:51 |
| pitastrudl | hm ,the owners seem pretty nice | 00:51 |
| idioterna | https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/11058696 | 00:52 |
| idioterna | this one looks better | 00:52 |
| kristian1 | I was looking at that also | 00:53 |
| idioterna | they give you a bike, which is great | 00:53 |
| kristian1 | but it looks less private | 00:53 |
| idioterna | that's true | 00:53 |
| kristian1 | I can barely ride a bike | 00:53 |
| kristian1 | it's not that I don't want people around, I just don't want to be a nuisance | 00:53 |
| idioterna | https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/21332437 looks fine too | 00:56 |
| kristian1 | ha, that's also one of the first ones I considered | 00:57 |
| kristian1 | but, my line of thinking is ... I go to Venice just before Ljubljana, and Vienna just after ... so I will see plenty of nice places | 00:57 |
| kristian1 | thus, I don't need a beautiful place to stay in Ljubljana | 00:58 |
| idioterna | well it's close to old town | 00:58 |
| kristian1 | but that last one sure is nice | 00:58 |
| idioterna | like, inside it :) | 00:58 |
| idioterna | https://www.airbnb.com/s/homes?refinement_paths%5B%5D=%2Fhomes&query=ljubljana&allow_override%5B%5D=&checkin=2018-11-16&checkout=2018-11-19&zoom=18&search_by_map=true&sw_lat=46.04514798685511&sw_lng=14.501198783992663&ne_lat=46.051604506710056&ne_lng=14.51627279865636&s_tag=zdUQqXm0 | 00:58 |
| idioterna | i don't know what you see on this map | 00:59 |
| idioterna | but it's right under the castle | 00:59 |
| kristian1 | I understand that much | 00:59 |
| kristian1 | but my budget likes the other one, I guess | 00:59 |
| kristian1 | not that it's a big difference | 00:59 |
| idioterna | it's 10 euros or something | 00:59 |
| kristian1 | yeah | 01:01 |
| kristian1 | hurm hurm hurm | 01:01 |
| kristian1 | but, you know what? | 01:01 |
| kristian1 | often, I really like staying somewhere a bit obscure ... and see a normal neighbourhood with the shops and stuff | 01:02 |
| kristian1 | the anthropology is better | 01:02 |
| idioterna | i agree | 01:02 |
| idioterna | i think you'll see more of what ljubljana is in the one down opekarska street | 01:03 |
| kristian1 | the one I got? | 01:03 |
| kristian1 | I'm starting to get too tired for thinking/typing | 01:03 |
| idioterna | the "i guess this is it" one yeah | 01:03 |
| idioterna | https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13856206?s=51 | 01:03 |
| idioterna | this one | 01:04 |
| kristian1 | yeah, that one | 01:05 |
| kristian1 | also, Milovan has what appears to be a very Slovenian name | 01:05 |
| kristian1 | :) | 01:05 |
| idioterna | it's a serbian name, actually | 01:05 |
| idioterna | but we're all brothers :) | 01:05 |
| kristian1 | ah | 01:06 |
| idioterna | us and serbs, we're both supposed to hate croatians! | 01:06 |
| idioterna | and apparently we do | 01:06 |
| kristian1 | I understand you have some baggage there but that it's getting better | 01:06 |
| idioterna | we had wars and border disputes and whatnot not so long ago :) | 01:06 |
| kristian1 | I feel very lucky that we have not fought our neighbours for something like a hundred years | 01:06 |
| idioterna | well i liked it better in yugoslavia in that regard | 01:06 |
| kristian1 | except the Germans of course, but they took a whooping for it | 01:07 |
| idioterna | we had no borders and didn't really care about them | 01:07 |
| kristian1 | yeah, that was one thing that worked | 01:07 |
| idioterna | yeah i've recently seen the movie | 01:07 |
| kristian1 | how old are you? | 01:07 |
| kristian1 | what movie did you see? | 01:07 |
| idioterna | under sandet | 01:07 |
| idioterna | i'm ~39 | 01:07 |
| kristian1 | ah, the hell with that | 01:09 |
| kristian1 | total revisionism | 01:09 |
| kristian1 | the West is so keen on hating itself that we started to invent historical atrocities | 01:09 |
| idioterna | you mean what they show in the movie? | 01:10 |
| idioterna | i didn't think it was an atrocity | 01:10 |
| idioterna | i mean i find it quite credible, but not really an atrocity | 01:10 |
| kristian1 | it was the British who ordered the German boys to do that stuff, but Copenhagen artists want to show us as war criminals | 01:10 |
| idioterna | oh | 01:10 |
| idioterna | yeah, i do find more than a million wehrmacht that were basically starved to death at the rheinlagers an atrocity, but | 01:11 |
| idioterna | in slovenia, we murdered entire families after the war | 01:11 |
| kristian1 | the movie may work as drama, I have not seen it | 01:11 |
| idioterna | and didn't really do a very good job in terms of due process :) | 01:11 |
| idioterna | but after the war, nobody was really interested in that | 01:11 |
| kristian1 | there was a lot of crap in Denmark too | 01:11 |
| idioterna | we just settled scores | 01:12 |
| idioterna | mostly personal i suspect | 01:12 |
| idioterna | the war was brutal and i don't think anyone had second thoughts in the aftermath | 01:12 |
| idioterna | my grandpas were both part of communist partisans but some from my family ran for their lives so | 01:13 |
| kristian1 | there is a fairly recent Danish war movie that I enjoyed | 01:13 |
| idioterna | many politicians are still arguing about it though | 01:13 |
| idioterna | i don't think it's possible to set it right | 01:13 |
| kristian1 | same here ... not as bad as it used to be | 01:13 |
| kristian1 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_9th_(film) | 01:14 |
| linkdoggo | ^ April 9th (film) - Wikipedia ^ | 01:14 |
| idioterna | cool, i'll try to find it | 01:15 |
| idioterna | one thing that still works in slovenia is bittorrent | 01:15 |
| idioterna | nobody can really prosecute you if you do it | 01:15 |
| idioterna | not yet anyway | 01:15 |
| idioterna | the new eu copyright directive is likely to change that | 01:15 |
| idioterna | and moving to switzerland is pricey :) | 01:15 |
| idioterna | ok my gf wants me to come sleep | 01:16 |
| idioterna | later | 01:16 |
| idioterna | come to this channel or mail jure@hehe.si | 01:16 |
| idioterna | we can talk about ljubljana or bled or whatever | 01:16 |
| idioterna | good night :) | 01:16 |
| kristian1 | I will remember the bittorent part :) | 01:17 |
| kristian1 | thanks for the chat, goodnight | 01:17 |
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| sasa84 | ooo t3ch ..dolgo te nismo videli :) | 12:38 |
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| slax0r | i've done it ^^ | 18:44 |
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| CrazyLemon | slax0r done what? put elephants on your wall?? | 19:52 |
| CrazyLemon | kudos! | 19:52 |
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