[00:00] it's our third year exploring it [00:00] https://bou.si/pic/batch/kras [00:00] I recently heard that the hospitality of the Vietnamese has been to the point where they no longer like tourists ... very sad [00:00] pics [00:00] yeah i can imagine [00:00] ljubljana is overflowing with tourists in the summer [00:00] but not so much the rest of the year [00:00] are those your pics? [00:01] yeah [00:01] from my phone [00:01] i haven't copied canon's memory card yet [00:01] stunning landscape, and your family looks nice :) [00:02] if you ever come during summer, i have to recommend my favourite bicycle ride [00:02] but you can do it with a car as well [00:02] or a motorcycle if that's your thing [00:02] i took my coworker from helsinki [00:02] https://bou.si/pic/batch/alpe-with-kalle [00:02] I've not been on a bike for 25 years or so [00:03] more beautiful landscapes there [00:03] have you been to Romania? I was surprised that the Carpathians are so prominent and beautiful [00:04] no, but a guy i know came back two weeks ago and his pics were amazing [00:04] of the mountain roads mostly [00:04] i've been to bulgaria, it's very similar [00:04] also a ton of citadels in the mountains [00:04] yeah [00:04] I have been told that, yes [00:05] it's crazy how we got all these apps and websites to save time [00:05] and we're total slaves of them [00:05] hehe [00:06] well i'm lucky that way [00:06] i've saved up enough for retirement by the time i was 35 [00:06] so now i just work for fun [00:06] i've been taking care of my grandma for a couple of years now [00:06] I can't even afford to die and I'm almost 40 :( [00:06] https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13856206?adults=1&children=0&infants=0&toddlers=0&check_in=2018-11-16&check_out=2018-11-19&s=saGOr5P2 [00:06] does that link work? [00:07] yeah, but it's way outside city center [00:07] bugger [00:07] let me find one for you [00:08] very kind of you [00:08] I'm looking for something where I don't disturb people if I'm home late ... I won't be partying, but the trips may take a long time [00:09] https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/15021326?s=eJ1ir4Ph [00:09] this one is the cheapest i can find in the city centre [00:10] I need one that is available from the 16th to the 19th [00:10] sorry I forgot to mention that [00:10] but dead center is not required ... walking distance would be nice though [00:11] https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/18120290?adults=1&children=0&infants=0&toddlers=0&check_in=2018-11-16&check_out=2018-11-19&s=saGOr5P2 [00:12] hurm, also looks like it's a bit from the actual town [00:12] no this is way outside town [00:12] like 20 minutes with a bike [00:14] https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13168644?adults=1&check_in=2018-11-16&check_out=2018-11-19&s=6iRgk_4w is a room in the centre [00:15] https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/26362715?adults=1&check_in=2018-11-16&check_out=2018-11-19&s=6iRgk_4w looks ok too [00:15] that's the same link :) [00:16] no [00:16] the number is different :) [00:16] behind rooms/ [00:17] ah! [00:18] it's weird that for your dates there's a lot less available [00:19] that's just my famous luck [00:19] :) [00:19] "You will get your own set of keys, and you may come and go as you please." [00:19] but also talk of a baby [00:20] i don't think the place is set up in a way that they'd be bothered by people coming and going [00:20] that's not the impression I get either [00:21] you know how it is when you go on a trip ... sometimes you're home very late [00:21] yeah i know [00:21] i've been to airbnbs in copenhagen a lot in the past year [00:24] it's nice with the metro net that you can stay somewhere like Valby and zoom into Copenhagen fast and cheaply [00:24] also, center Cph is not really nice [00:24] yeah it's built up much more than ljubljana [00:25] dirty, noisy ... aggressive [00:25] ljubljana is trying hard in the recent years to become greener, but it's always been quite green [00:25] <-- not much of a Copenhagen fan [00:25] i really liked roskilde [00:25] but one thing I should take into consideration is that I don't know this town at all ... so a bit of commute will be an experience [00:25] Roskilde is nicer [00:26] do you know Frederiksberg? [00:26] yeah [00:26] i've been there for a week in june [00:26] that's like the nice part of Copenhagen [00:26] yeah it was much nicer [00:26] we could keep windows open at night and sleep nice [00:26] are you aware it's the only part of Copenhagen with a non-socialist mayor? [00:26] no [00:26] that's quite funny [00:27] all big cities are red but Copenhagen is virtually communist [00:27] lots of corruption scandals recently with their "Enhedslisten" mayors [00:27] sorry ... I'll shut up about Danish politics now :) [00:27] i don't mind [00:28] i'm a communist as well, philosophically [00:28] well ... [00:28] well, an anarchist-syndicalist, but those are nuances that are not really important :) [00:28] but i do agree communism very much lends itself to corruption [00:29] I've had great pleasure in reading Walter Benjamin, and I think your guy provides some nice commentary ... but I'm opposed to communism as a political system as it has never worked [00:29] it can't really work without total transparency and very high levels of political engagement [00:29] well it has worked [00:29] yeah, and most people don't care and never will [00:29] I [00:29] * I'm curious now ... where? [00:29] but isn't really applicable in most situations [00:30] Tito? [00:30] no no god no [00:30] yugoslavia under tito was a dictatorship [00:30] I know some people miss him [00:30] but yes it was [00:30] well, that's the thing [00:30] if you're a dictator, you can cater for the part of population that supports you [00:30] if you're a socialist dictator, you can even be "democratic" [00:31] he seems to me (as an outsider) to have been the least horrible communist dictator, maybe [00:31] we didn't need as much repression because the state could let people cross the border to buy stuff in the west [00:31] and work there and bring money home [00:31] and people loved the system because "everyone had jobs and housing" [00:32] but that's not what was happening [00:32] there were regions that were lagging behind more and more [00:32] anyway, this is a really long debate we're starting [00:32] yes, at a bad hour [00:32] there are a number of small communes that successfully implemented socialist ideas and a communist way of doing governance [00:33] mostly these were jewish kibbutzes [00:33] and some spanish villages [00:33] ah, now I follow your line of thinking [00:33] there's an interesting experiment going on in northern free syria [00:33] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Federation_of_Northern_Syria [00:33] ^ Democratic Federation of Northern Syria - Wikipedia https://tinyurl.com/y8ktqady ^ [00:33] for small communities that people can leave if they don't like it ... it may work [00:34] but i don't think it can last long without a lot of support from outside [00:34] yeah that's usually the problem [00:34] people who pull more than their fair share tend to leave because they get a better deal elsewhere [00:35] slovenia is a kind of a weird country because we've got insanely small income inequality and almost no violent crime to speak of [00:35] nobody believes anyone else is actually rich [00:35] and it's kind of true [00:35] as a nationwide system, communism always relies on violence [00:35] yeah, it has [00:35] Denmark is very equal as well [00:35] and it makes sense, because without repression, there's no incentive to remain a part of it [00:36] yeah [00:36] but we now have russian millionaires and english families moving in [00:36] because it's cheap and we still have an amazing quality of life [00:37] both work-life balance wise and stuff like health care and crime levels and school system [00:37] there's problems in all of those areas, but nothing really horrible [00:37] sorry, did I ask about this one? [00:37] https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13856206?adults=1&children=0&infants=0&toddlers=0&check_in=2018-11-16&check_out=2018-11-19&s=saGOr5P2 [00:38] it's about a 15 minute walk [00:38] that's not too bad [00:38] no, it's fine [00:38] looks ok [00:38] I had the most horrible experience in Warsaw a few years ago [00:39] with airbnb? [00:39] I did not read the description properly ... my (dirt cheap) room was behind the bedroom of the host [00:39] insanely awkward [00:39] yeah, it was no fault of anyone but me ... [00:39] well, that depends on how religious they are i suppose :) [00:40] i hope they didn't keep you awake :) [00:40] they did not [00:40] nice people [00:42] still feels like you have to kiss them good night or something :) [00:42] yeah [00:42] I'm that age where you have to go to the bathroom at night [00:43] especially after a long day of Polish cafés [00:43] I cringe when I think of that place :) [00:43] yeah i can imagine [00:44] sorry, one redundant question [00:44] https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/18120290?adults=1&children=0&infants=0&toddlers=0&check_in=2018-11-16&check_out=2018-11-19&s=saGOr5P2 [00:44] this one is how far from town center by bus do you think? [00:44] there's no bus there [00:45] there's number 12 but it doesn't run on weekends i think [00:45] and it runs every hour or so [00:45] "There is bus stop in 3 min from house." [00:45] yeah, not a good bus [00:46] maybe i'm biased a bit :) [00:47] yeah http://www.lpp.si/sites/default/files/lpp_vozniredi/iskalnik/tmp/files/867/12_B_204071.pdf [00:47] ^ https://tinyurl.com/yb7sw7pd ^ [00:48] every 70 minutes [00:48] bad bus :) [00:48] https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13856206?s=51 [00:48] even on workdays it doesn't go frequently [00:48] I guess this is it [00:49] this one is much closer [00:50] it's a 15 minute walk or so [00:50] not in a very interesting part of town [00:50] https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13540105 is like 5 minutes from the center [00:51] but looks a little shady [00:51] hm ,the owners seem pretty nice [00:52] https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/11058696 [00:52] this one looks better [00:53] I was looking at that also [00:53] they give you a bike, which is great [00:53] but it looks less private [00:53] that's true [00:53] I can barely ride a bike [00:53] it's not that I don't want people around, I just don't want to be a nuisance [00:56] https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/21332437 looks fine too [00:57] ha, that's also one of the first ones I considered [00:57] but, my line of thinking is ... I go to Venice just before Ljubljana, and Vienna just after ... so I will see plenty of nice places [00:58] thus, I don't need a beautiful place to stay in Ljubljana [00:58] well it's close to old town [00:58] but that last one sure is nice [00:58] like, inside it :) [00:58] https://www.airbnb.com/s/homes?refinement_paths%5B%5D=%2Fhomes&query=ljubljana&allow_override%5B%5D=&checkin=2018-11-16&checkout=2018-11-19&zoom=18&search_by_map=true&sw_lat=46.04514798685511&sw_lng=14.501198783992663&ne_lat=46.051604506710056&ne_lng=14.51627279865636&s_tag=zdUQqXm0 [00:59] i don't know what you see on this map [00:59] but it's right under the castle [00:59] I understand that much [00:59] but my budget likes the other one, I guess [00:59] not that it's a big difference [00:59] it's 10 euros or something [01:01] yeah [01:01] hurm hurm hurm [01:01] but, you know what? [01:02] often, I really like staying somewhere a bit obscure ... and see a normal neighbourhood with the shops and stuff [01:02] the anthropology is better [01:02] i agree [01:03] i think you'll see more of what ljubljana is in the one down opekarska street [01:03] the one I got? [01:03] I'm starting to get too tired for thinking/typing [01:03] the "i guess this is it" one yeah [01:03] https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13856206?s=51 [01:04] this one [01:05] yeah, that one [01:05] also, Milovan has what appears to be a very Slovenian name [01:05] :) [01:05] it's a serbian name, actually [01:05] but we're all brothers :) [01:06] ah [01:06] us and serbs, we're both supposed to hate croatians! [01:06] and apparently we do [01:06] I understand you have some baggage there but that it's getting better [01:06] we had wars and border disputes and whatnot not so long ago :) [01:06] I feel very lucky that we have not fought our neighbours for something like a hundred years [01:06] well i liked it better in yugoslavia in that regard [01:07] except the Germans of course, but they took a whooping for it [01:07] we had no borders and didn't really care about them [01:07] yeah, that was one thing that worked [01:07] yeah i've recently seen the movie [01:07] how old are you? [01:07] what movie did you see? [01:07] under sandet [01:07] i'm ~39 [01:09] ah, the hell with that [01:09] total revisionism [01:09] the West is so keen on hating itself that we started to invent historical atrocities [01:10] you mean what they show in the movie? [01:10] i didn't think it was an atrocity [01:10] i mean i find it quite credible, but not really an atrocity [01:10] it was the British who ordered the German boys to do that stuff, but Copenhagen artists want to show us as war criminals [01:10] oh [01:11] yeah, i do find more than a million wehrmacht that were basically starved to death at the rheinlagers an atrocity, but [01:11] in slovenia, we murdered entire families after the war [01:11] the movie may work as drama, I have not seen it [01:11] and didn't really do a very good job in terms of due process :) [01:11] but after the war, nobody was really interested in that [01:11] there was a lot of crap in Denmark too [01:12] we just settled scores [01:12] mostly personal i suspect [01:12] the war was brutal and i don't think anyone had second thoughts in the aftermath [01:13] my grandpas were both part of communist partisans but some from my family ran for their lives so [01:13] there is a fairly recent Danish war movie that I enjoyed [01:13] many politicians are still arguing about it though [01:13] i don't think it's possible to set it right [01:13] same here ... not as bad as it used to be [01:14] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_9th_(film) [01:14] ^ April 9th (film) - Wikipedia ^ [01:15] cool, i'll try to find it [01:15] one thing that still works in slovenia is bittorrent [01:15] nobody can really prosecute you if you do it [01:15] not yet anyway [01:15] the new eu copyright directive is likely to change that [01:15] and moving to switzerland is pricey :) [01:16] ok my gf wants me to come sleep [01:16] later [01:16] come to this channel or mail jure@hehe.si [01:16] we can talk about ljubljana or bled or whatever [01:16] good night :) [01:17] I will remember the bittorent part :) [01:17] thanks for the chat, goodnight [12:38] jou jou joou [12:38] ooo t3ch ..dolgo te nismo videli :) [18:44] https://ptpb.pw/fDxc.png [18:44] i've done it ^^ [19:07] ti si najbolj kul tata [19:52] slax0r done what? put elephants on your wall?? 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