[00:26] <lubot> <HMollerCl> HI, why wjen typing lxqt-sudo the aucompletion with <tab> doesn't work?
[01:17] <docEbrown> wxl are you there?
[02:44] <lynorian> HmollerCI I don't know
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[03:31] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Heya docEbrown, good to see ya
[03:31] <lubot> <tsimonq2> I've been meaning to get back to you on that task
[03:32] <lubot> <tsimonq2> The short of it, unfortunately no there isn't, but Phab isn't hard to set up.
[03:32] <lubot> <tsimonq2> I could even set up a test instance for you if you wanted
[03:33] <docEbrown> Awesome, if it is straight forward I could setup a local instance on my machine
[03:33] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Sure. I'm about to go AFK for a bit but a quick Google search will get you there. I set up a Phab instance for myself today, actually.
[03:34] <docEbrown> awesome I'll do that.  I need to pick the kids up from school to.  I'll be online later but I assume you'll be asleep ;)
[03:45] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Probably :)
[03:58] <lubot> <marneu> Interesting tidbit: ... 1. Telegram can be installed on Raspbian Buster. ... 2. It doesn't start unless you run this command: ... unset XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ... Same issue I experienced with the apt version of Telegram, but on x86 I could just use the flatpak instead.
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[03:59] <lubot> <marneu> Judging from similar issues, it appears that Telegram queries a list of common desktop environments that doesn't contain LXQt.
[04:05] <lubot> <marneu> Would that be an item for the manual, or is it too specific?
[04:52] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @marneu [Judging from similar issues, it appears that Telegram queries a list of common d …], Please, go yell at upstream for that 😆
[04:52] <lubot> <tsimonq2> That's, no offense to the developers, absolutely stupid and horrible
[04:55] <lubot> <marneu> agreed! i already reported the bug weeks ago, but there's activity on launchpad and the workaround has been posted github 9 months ago, so i don't think there's anything happening soon.
[04:55] <lubot> <marneu> might still open a new github issue, tho.
[04:56] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @marneu [agreed! i already reported the bug weeks ago, but there's activity on launchpad …], I know who sponsors the Debian maintainer's uploads.
[04:56] <lubot> <tsimonq2> And, becoming a Debian Developer, I can NMU.
[04:56] <lubot> <tsimonq2> But, being an Ubuntu Core Developer, I can just fix it in Ubuntu and watch mapreri's head explode 😆
[04:56] <lubot> <marneu> :D
[04:57] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Some people honestly hate when we do things only in Ubuntu
[04:57] <lubot> <marneu> I can see why ...
[04:58] <lubot> <marneu> Where do you report bugs in Debian, anyway? Are there mailing lists or something?
[04:58] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @marneu [Where do you report bugs in Debian, anyway? Are there mailing lists or something …], Only by email
[04:59] <lubot> <tsimonq2> And the email commands are, well... not favorable :)
[04:59] <lubot> <marneu> *sigh*
[04:59] <lubot> <tsimonq2> yuuuuuuup
[05:01] <lubot> <marneu> You wanna report this on  Debian? I'm going to sleep now, eithdr way.
[05:01] <lubot> <tsimonq2> I was just about to sleep myself
[05:02] <lubot> <marneu> you know you've been up too long when people in the usa start going to bed
[05:02] <lubot> <marneu> well, good night : )
[05:02] <lubot> <tsimonq2> You too :)
[05:06] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Oh gawd, just glancing at this code reminds me of LibreOffice :P
[05:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL0797169ad9c8: Add thumbnails to lximage-qt] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL0797169ad9c8
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[06:00]  * lynorian wonders why there is no breze-cursor-theme-extra package with all the colors of the rainbow like there is with oxygen
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[11:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T144:  Port over "additional drivers" tab from software-properties-gtk to -qt] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T144#3141
[12:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T88: Lugito should do diffs] doc-E-brown (Ben Johnston) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T88#3142
[12:05] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @lubuntu_bot [*lynorian: wonders why there is no breze-cursor-theme-extra package with all the …], same issue with papirus dark, thus our problem with volume icon in panel.
[12:16] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @lynorian is there documented how to setup the autologin, if it's not chosed at the installation or how to disable it?
[13:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T150: Set up Disco Dingo branches] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T150#3144
[13:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T150: Set up Disco Dingo branches] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T150#3144
[13:30] <lubot> <kc2bez> @tsimonq2 did lugito just do that twice? ^
[13:31] <lubot> <kc2bez> Or was it 2 different messages?
[14:22] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @kc2bez [Or was it 2 different messages?], Yeah
[14:27] <lubot> <kc2bez> Ok. Need more coffee.
[15:03] <lubot> <HMollerCl> why ... git clone lp:software-properties  ... doesn't work?
[15:03] <lubot> <HMollerCl> it says: ... Repository 'software-properties' not found.
[16:16] <lubot> <Wafficus> Btw team, I had an awesome Google Hangouts based chat with Wendy yesterday and was wondering if we can do conference calling as well. Btw I'm getting a time shift so if you guys are able to make the meeting to be 6 pm eastern time USA I'll be able to chime in with voice or video. I'm wondering what the max for users in a video stream
[16:16] <lubot> ing session would be.
[16:17] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Sweet
[16:18] <lubot> <Wafficus> Like I'll be working 8 to 5 instead of 9 to 6
[16:19] <lubot> <Wafficus> But yeah that call solidified to me what Wendy wants. My only issue is making sure CMake is included. My only question is how do you know you have it in a Qt Creator project?
[16:19] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @Wafficus [But yeah that call solidified to me what Wendy wants. My only issue is making su …], I'm not sure.
[16:20] <lubot> <tsimonq2> My IDE is Vim. ;)
[16:20] <lubot> <Wafficus> I'll ask on qt later
[16:20] <lubot> <Wafficus> I use vim too
[16:20] <lubot> <Wafficus> But I'm too beginner in qt to not take advantage of it creating everything for me
[16:20] <lubot> <Wafficus> Cause it's too many moving parts and I need it to be perfect for lubuntu
[16:24] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @Wafficus [But I'm too beginner in qt to not take advantage of it creating everything for m …], I'm starting with pyqt, so maybe I could help you with some things.
[16:25] <lubot> <Wafficus> It's c++ with qt though
[16:25] <lubot> <Wafficus> I'm open for python too but it needs CMake to be uniform with Ubuntus other releases
[16:25] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @tsimonq2 do you know why git clone lp:software-properties sasy repository not found?
[16:25] <lubot> <Wafficus> I've been learning qt with c++ for that reason
[16:25] <lubot> <HMollerCl> do I need to clone another repository?
[16:26] <lubot> <Wafficus> We should have a dev resources page too btw for tutorials and book pdfs. Just an idea
[16:26] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @Wafficus [I'm open for python too but it needs CMake to be uniform with Ubuntus other rele …], didn't knew that, software-properties is for ubuntu and is in python...
[16:26] <lubot> <Wafficus> Hmm well Simon told me to use CMake so not sure at that point
[16:27] <lubot> <Wafficus> Believe me I'm super beginner with c++ as well so idk
[16:28] <lubot> <Wafficus> @HMollerCl if you want to follow the Void Realms tutorials for c++ and qt with me and Wendy we can all figure it out together
[16:28] <lubot> <HMollerCl> If used most of the last time php, so I have to rethink in classes again (I saw it like 15 years ago)
[16:30] <lubot> <Wafficus> @HMollerCl hmm interesting so php would be better in this case ?
[16:38] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @Wafficus [@HMollerCl hmm interesting so php would be better in this case ?], NOO, sorry, my mistake. Php scripting is mostly because of wordrpess.
[16:38] <lubot> <Wafficus> @HMollerCl ah I see.
[16:38] <lubot> <HMollerCl> most web servers have already php installed (and not python)  that's why it's better to use php ons server side.
[16:39] <lubot> <HMollerCl> but php doesn't has native objetc support
[16:39] <lubot> <Wafficus> Yup I see haha after dealing with my own shared web host I know this all too well
[16:39] <teward> > most web servers have php installed
[16:39] <lubot> <Wafficus> What drives me nuts is their use of python 2 and not 3
[16:39] <teward> Should I really correct you about that one?
[16:39] <teward> *glares*
[16:39] <lubot> <teward001> i think you meant "most web hosts", @HMollerCl
[16:40] <lubot> <teward001> and not "most web servers" since PHP is independent of the webserver ;)
[16:40] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @teward001 [i think you meant "most web hosts", @HMollerCl], true
[17:12] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @HMollerCl [@tsimonq2 do you know why git clone lp:software-properties sasy repository not f …], Not sure.
[17:21] <lubot> <TheWendyPower> @Wafficus [Btw team, I had an awesome Google Hangouts based chat with Wendy yesterday and w …], It was a very good chat!
[17:24] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @tsimonq2 [Not sure.], maybe because it is on bazaar?
[17:30] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @HMollerCl [maybe because it is on bazaar?], Ohh
[17:30] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Yeah
[17:42] <lynorian> @hmollerCI I don't have autologin documented
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[18:18] <wxl> > PHP
[18:18] <wxl> NO!
[18:23] <teward> Python ftw
[18:33] <lubot> <Wafficus> Pythons good
[19:07] <lubot> <tsimonq2> (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/th1KTbZt/file_4591.mp4
[19:08] <lubot> <Wafficus> Lollll
[19:37] <lynorian> python is needed to make the manual 
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[20:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T144:  Port over "additional drivers" tab from software-properties-gtk to -qt] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T144#3147
[20:20] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @tsimonq2 whicha re the changes in the repositories needed to go to disco? 🕺
[20:22] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @HMollerCl [@tsimonq2 whicha re the changes in the repositories needed to go to disco? 🕺], I don't understand your question.
[20:23] <lubot> <HMollerCl> I remember you said that we should change the sources for disco
[20:26] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Ahh
[20:26] <lubot> <tsimonq2> No, that's all done
[20:26] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Er
[20:26] <lubot> <tsimonq2> In /etc/apt/sources.list right?
[20:27] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Just run `sudo sed -i s/cosmic/disco/ /etc/apt/sources.list`
[20:27] <lubot> <HMollerCl> yes, that was, thanks
[20:28] <lubot> <HMollerCl> do you know why with lxqt-sudo we can not autocmplete with tab?
[20:29] <lubot> <tsimonq2> I'm not sure. I thought lxqt-sudo was meant to be a pkexec GUI, not something you actually call.
[20:42] <lubot> <HMollerCl> but lxqt-sudo should be the way for making sudo things in the gui, or not?
[20:43] <lubot> <tsimonq2> pkexec should.
[20:47] <lubot> <HMollerCl> mmm, at least in mi system, pkexec doesn't support autocompletion either, and I can't open fearherpad with pkexec (I can with lxqt-sudo) ... hmoller@hmoller-pc:~$ pkexec featherpad ... QStandardPaths: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set, defaulting to '/tmp/runtime-root' ... qt.qpa.screen: QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display  ... Could
[20:47] <lubot>  not connect to any X display.
[21:12] <wxl> The environment that PROGRAM will run it, will be set to a minimal known and safe environment in order to avoid injecting code through LD_LIBRARY_PATH or similar mechanisms. In addition the PKEXEC_UID environment variable is set to the user id of the process invoking pkexec. As a result, pkexec will not allow you to run X11 applications as another user since the $DISPLAY and $XAUTHORITY environment 
[21:12] <wxl> variables are not set. These two variables will be retained if the org.freedesktop.policykit.exec.allow_gui annotation on an action is set to a nonempty value; this is discouraged, though, and should only be used for legacy programs. 
[21:13] <wxl> ^ pkexec man page
[21:24] <wxl> in wayland there basically won't be elevating privs for gui apps. 
[21:24] <lubot> <aptghetto> You can use `VISUAL=featherpad sudoedit /path/to/file` to edit a file and featherpad runs with the normal user privileges
[21:24] <wxl> seems sudo -e/sudoedit and/or admin://path/to/file is the way forward
[21:25] <lubot> <HMollerCl> and how should the software-properties-qt be executed?
[21:26] <lubot> <aptghetto> admin:// is part of the gvfs, maybe there is a Qt/KDE equivalent?
[21:26] <wxl> gvfs is in lxqt
[21:27] <lubot> <aptghetto> And the admin:// backend is working?
[21:27] <wxl> that's what i'm abotu to find out
[21:28] <lubot> <HMollerCl> "lxqt-sudo software-properties-qt" works ... "pkexec software-properties-qt" does not
[21:28] <lubot> <aptghetto> Gvfs is also in Xubuntu, but you can‘t use admin://
[21:29] <wxl> yeah dno't think it does
[21:29] <wxl> pkexec will not work with gui applications without additional configuration, @HMollerCl. it's not supposed to
[21:29] <lubot> <aptghetto> To use pkexec you need a PolicyKit action for every GUI app
[21:30] <wxl> tl;dr use lxqt-sudo
[21:30] <lubot> <aptghetto> And pkexec will not work with Wayland
[21:31] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @wxl [<wxl> pkexec will not work with gui applications without additional configuratio …], We need to find/define a solution, there will be sudo privileges needed in the gui for configuration purposes.
[21:31] <wxl> so use lxqt-sudo
[21:31] <lubot> <aptghetto> But lxqt-sudo does not change the environment variables and so we will have problems with file permissions
[21:32] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @wxl [<wxl> so use lxqt-sudo], ok, and what about autocompletion with <tab> ?
[21:32] <wxl> personally i'm not too worried about autocompletion
[21:32] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @aptghetto [But lxqt-sudo does not change the environment variables and so we will have prob …], mmm, maybe that's why my featherpad config file is constantly chown to root...
[21:33] <wxl> if there's a path that a particular user cannot access without elevated privledges, they will not be able to tab complete through it with any tool
[21:34] <lubot> <aptghetto> Thats true for /root and some other special cases
[21:34] <lubot> <HMollerCl> ok, so, autocompletion is no problem.
[21:35] <lubot> <aptghetto> But normally a user has the read(or execute?) right
[21:36] <wxl> and lxqt-sudo does not negatively affect tab completion for normal cases from what i can tell
[21:54] <wxl> oh looks like we need this patch https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-sudo/pull/22/commits/07ec9ec14e5d8ff2fe5aba33d9f0a1cd07a4db60
[21:54] <ubot93> Pull 22 in lxqt/lxqt-sudo "Sudo: Strip environment" [Merged]
[21:56] <wxl> ^^ there's a fun project for you if you're bored @HMollerCl -- will keep the permission issues from occurring
[22:00] <lubot> <HMollerCl> Can I create a phab task for it? So I don't forget, Im into the additional driver issue now
[22:01] <wxl> yeah
[22:06] <wxl> also admin:// is weird. it seems to work in the address bar in pcmanfm, though
[22:06] <wxl> usage is... not.. clear
[22:14] <lynorian> admin:// is not something I had ever heard of before
[22:15] <wxl> me either tbh
[22:21] <lubot> <HMollerCl> I once saw it in a 10 things to do first in lubuntu. I thought it was a typo
[22:22] <lubot> <HMollerCl> And used sudo -i instead
[22:22] <wxl> waaaaait
[22:22] <wxl> i think that patch is in there
[22:26] <wxl> ok verified. not in there
[22:26] <wxl> so confusing
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