[00:04] <wbr> Hi, I try to install the package 'libqt5multimediagsttools5', but I get the error 'Unable to locate package'. I tried to update and upgrade, but without effect. Does anyone have a clue of what I could do?
[00:05] <Ben64> pastebin full error
[00:06] <gostforest> oh so i have to do it manually
[00:06] <boblamont> wbr: what version are you running?
[00:07] <wbr> from Mint 19
[00:08] <wbr> it is based on Ubuntu 18.04
[00:08] <gostforest> https://pastebin.com/RE9aLBRF
[00:08] <gostforest> there u go
[00:08] <Ben64> wbr: this channel only supports actual ubuntu, not 'based on'
[00:08] <wbr> Sorry, I thought this was the right place to go as it use the ubuntu repos
[00:09] <Ben64> mint has their own channel, #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
[00:09] <AndyChow888> wbr, "apt-cache search XYZ", to find what is in your repos. Your repos aren't the ubuntu repos, I'm sure.
[00:09] <wbr> ok thanks for the tip
[00:10] <AndyChow888> A distro can't hijack another distros repos.
[00:11] <wbr> my bad, I am more used to arch but I am tried to fix a dependancy bug with mint. I thought that the apt-get system pointed to either debian or ubuntu repos
[00:11] <wbr> trying
[00:18] <nshire> my boot process takes 2min20sec on a fast machine suddenly after upgrading my version of ubuntu. Anyone know where to start looking for issues?
[00:19] <nshire> systemd-analyze plot shows plymouth-wait-quit-service as using 30sec
[00:19] <AndyChow888> nshire, look at your systemd log.
[00:23] <hggdh> nshire: or try systemd-analyze blame
[00:25] <nshire> these are the results. mostly plymouth https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rhvVfBRd5w/
[00:33] <AndyChow888> nshire, what do the logs say? /var/log/boot.log
[00:34] <AndyChow888> You might want to run plymouth in debug mode, to see what the problem is.
[00:39] <nshire> anything in particular I should be looking for in boot.log?
[00:58] <gostforest> anything new in the search for why my usb isnt showing up as a drive in programs?
[01:04] <AndyChow888> gostforest, did you ever post the output?
[01:08] <gostforest> Its me, I need reccomendation for software that can burn an iso to my usb
[01:09] <gostforest> all the other software doesnt notice my usb's existence
[01:09] <cynicist> gostforest: can you see it in the disks utility?
[01:09] <cynicist> gostforest: I mean I think I see it as sdb in that log of yours
[01:10] <AndyChow888> Yeah, without the output, I can't help. dd is the software you want, it's already installed. But it sounds like you have another problem, if the usb doesn't show up in other software.
[01:13] <cynicist> gostforest: Assuming that is your disk (14.6GB), you can just use `sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdb` from a terminal. There are of course graphical usb writers but this command is so easy that I tend to prefer it.
[01:57] <neildugan> I am in Australia.  I am connected the NBN here.  My phone is connected to the VOIP provided by my ISP.  Can I install a SIP softphone application and answer the VOIP phone done by my provider?
[02:06] <guiverc> neildugan, yes & no.  depends on your ISP i suspect. my current provider allows for it (i'm still on dsl), but they warn they use a modified (proprietary) protocol with their nbn service & my current setup will likely not connect - i must use their equipment they tell me; but i have no idea if that's true..
[02:21] <en1gma> im trying to install ubuntu server 16.04.5 from usb stick to usb hard drive. can this be done?
[02:21] <en1gma> ubuntu server 16.04.5 (I386)
[02:22] <piesquared> Yes
[02:22] <piesquared> Er.
[02:22] <en1gma> the installer process dont seem to find the usb drive
[02:22] <piesquared> Misread.
[02:22] <piesquared> Ignore me...
[02:22] <en1gma> crap. i thought it was going to be easy. should have known better :)
[02:22] <Ben64> it (usually) is easy
[02:23] <en1gma> im not sure we can install to usb drive
[02:24] <Ben64> usb has terrible performance though
[02:25] <en1gma> alot better then this usb 2.0 flash drive
[02:26] <paco_> how can I run Mint desktop manager cinnamon in ubuntu
[02:29] <guiverc> paco_, package `cinnamon` provides the connamon desktop environment (not a desktop-manager, but DE) for Ubuntu 18.04 & 18.10, eg. https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/cinnamon
[02:29] <guiverc> s/connamon/cinnamon
[02:29] <Bashing-om> !info cinnamon-desktop | paco_
[02:30] <guiverc> sorry ignore my last, it was cinnamon-desktop-environment
[02:30] <guiverc> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/cinnamon-desktop-environment
[02:34] <paco_> So those are the packages but how I do install them? sorry very unexperience guiverc
[02:35] <guiverc> what Ubuntu release are you using paco_
[02:36] <paco_> 18.10
[02:36] <paco_> sorry DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS"
[02:37] <guiverc> :)    `sudo apt install cinnamon-desktop-environment`  should install the full desktop & extra components for cinnamon.  at your login screen you should see a gear type logo, so you can select which DE (desktop environment) you want to use for that session.  it doesn't replace your existing DE, it adds another to your system
[02:38] <paco_> do I need to add the repo or is on the standard repo?
[02:39] <guiverc> it's in universe; so as long as universe (community supported) is enabled - you're good to go
[02:39] <paco_> worked
[02:39] <paco_> thanks
[02:39] <paco_> is getting installed now :D
[02:39] <ysiry_> I try to su from root to another user and I get this error message: Cannot execute USERNAME: Permission denied.. what gives?
[02:39] <paco_> the power of ubuntu on Cinammon awesone!!
[02:40] <ysiry_> I try to su from root to another user and I get this error message: Cannot execute USERNAME: Permission denied.. what gives? also when I reboot the system and try to login to this user it seems to work but them goes back to the login page immediately
[02:41] <guiverc> ysiry_, i've seen it I believe long ago, I'd check your config files for that user & look for an error, but can't advise where to look sorry
[02:41] <ysiry_> :/
[02:43] <WoC> Anyone know of a program that accurately determines the endian of the machine it is running on ?
[02:44] <ysiry_> it also says Cannot execute USERname: No such file or directory
[02:45] <neildugan> guiverc, thanks I think I will try.
[02:45] <ysiry_> any idea what to do?
[02:46] <guiverc> you're most welcome neildugan :)
[02:46] <ysiry_> it's strange i can create a new user and su to that one
[02:47] <neildugan> en1gma, I have installed ubuntu on a USB pendrive before :-) so it can be done.
[02:48] <neildugan> ysiry_, have you double checked the permission of the users home directory?
[02:49] <ysiry_> neildugan how do I go about doing that?
[02:49] <RoDiMuS-X> user
[02:49] <RoDiMuS-X> friend
[02:49] <neildugan> ysiry_, "#cd /home" then "ls -l /home/<username>"
[02:50] <ysiry_> neildugan it says: total 0
[02:50] <neildugan> ysiry_, does the "/home/<username>" directory exist
[02:51] <ysiry_> yes
[02:52] <RoDiMuS-X> sbar
[02:52] <neildugan> ysiry_, it appears the the users home directory has been wiped clear... how big a problem is that?
[02:56] <neildugan> guiverc, what application do you use?
[03:01] <paco_> Hi I tried sudo apt install cinnamon-desktop-environment and it download it but I cannot access it I am still using unity.... any advise?
[03:06] <nshire> log out and there should be an option to change desktop environments near the login password box
[03:07] <paco_> nshire, no is not I reboot and nothig let me try again then
[03:12] <paco_>  Hi I tried sudo apt install cinnamon-desktop-environment and it download it but I cannot access it I am still using unity.... any advise?
[03:12] <paco_> nothing working not sure why
[03:31] <nshire> the value of RESUME=UUID is not listed under blkid in my system. does that mean that the swapfile does not exist in my system?
[03:31] <WoC> speaking of endian, the following will report 1 for lil endian and 0 for big endian; echo -n I | hexdump -o | awk '{ print substr($2,6,1); exit}'
[03:31] <WoC> in case anyone else needed to know
[03:32] <WoC> x8 is a lil endian
[03:32] <WoC> x86...
[03:33]  * WoC goes back to his geek hideout...
[04:07] <nshire> something weird is happening, ran sudo reboot and it just closed my ssh session but did nothing else
[04:13] <paco_> hello I need a little help does anyone know how to install MATE or Cinnamon in Ubuntu 18.04?
[04:14] <liquidatlas> step 1: install plasma
[04:15] <liquidatlas> or https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-mate-desktop-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[04:44] <paco_> hello I need a little help does anyone know how to install MATE or Cinnamon in Ubuntu 18.04?
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> paco_: liquidatlas just linked you howto
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> paco_: alternate, if you like testing mate you can consider installing hte ubuntu-mate .iso
[05:15] <luckybunny> I have a weird issue right now in 18.10
[05:15] <UBUxUBU> wut
[05:16] <luckybunny> Everything looks stopped. 'looks' because it isn't. I can move the mouse cursor but can't click anything. I just ssh'd in with my phone and the system is ticking along beautifully. I have killed most of the stuff I'm running....but they're still in the screen
[05:16] <luckybunny> On *
[05:20] <luckybunny> Was playing terraria and it 'froze'. So I ssh'd in and killed terraria and steam using htop.... Both are still displaying, frozen, onscreen. Memory usage is fine, no swapping going on, no cpus maxed or anything. And htop shows those processes are not running any more. I don't get it.
[05:25] <AndyChow888> What windows manager are you using? Gnome?
[05:25] <luckybunny> I'm using xfce, so likely xfwm
[05:27] <AndyChow888> Humm, long shot, but try killing xfconfd
[05:28] <luckybunny> Nope
[05:28] <luckybunny> No dice
[05:29] <AndyChow888> Does the keyboard now work? Doing ctrl-alt-f2
[05:30] <luckybunny> Was thinking of some permutation of xfwm --replace, but I need to provide the display for that, and I'm not up on the command structure needed to do it
[05:30] <luckybunny> And that's a neg on the keyboard
[05:32] <AndyChow888> I forget if REISUB is enabled by default. Doing alt+SysRq+R, does this give you your keyboard back?
[05:34] <luckybunny> Tbh I suspect the keyboard input is fine, but just not coming through on the display
[05:35] <luckybunny> So I won't see if it does work
[05:35] <luckybunny> Going to reisub anyway.. Brb
[05:35] <WoC> What would be a good way to uncompress a zlib compressed file ?
[05:41] <AndyChow888> WoC, lots of possibilities. "unzip file.zip" would be one.
[05:41] <luckybunny> well... reisub worked. Decided to drop in to a wayland session
[05:42] <AndyChow888> I use i3 myself, it's simple to reload the wm by doing spec-shift-r
[05:45] <luckybunny> I managed to pull off a 'xfwm4 --display :0.0 --replace' but it did nothing. i suspect maybe the x server froze or something went screwy with the nouveau driver I'm using
[05:46] <luckybunny> been meaning to try out wayland, to see if it's any lighter. I switched to xfce before because nvidia drivers weren't happy with wayland and gnome was way too ram-happy
[05:48] <luckybunny> I know I'm technically using gnome on wayland right now... so I fully expect it to take a dive in the next few days, but who knows...
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> luckybunny: keep in mind 18.10 is non-lts and 'can' hold more bugs then on LTS
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> luckybunny: you also might wanna take a look in syslog/dmesg to see whats going on, we had few users reporting gnome segfault on 18.10 last days
[06:07] <pi0> anything other than teamviewer for remote admnistration?
[06:08] <AndyChow888> SSH is the classic one.
[06:08] <Ben64> oh yeah, ssh is great
[06:08] <AndyChow888> vnc, google-remote. Tons of alternatives.
[06:12] <luckybunny> [30791.532985] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: fifo: read fault at 0029e0e000 engine 00 [PGRAPH] client 0f [GPC0/PROP] reason 00 [PT_NOT_PRESENT] on channel 12 [021f6a6000 systemd-logind[1523]]
[06:12] <luckybunny> that looks like it could be it.
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> luckybunny: what does: ubuntu-drivers list suggest for your card?
[06:13] <AndyChow888> Why are you using nouveau? With nVidia, I would go proprietary.
[06:13] <luckybunny> okikoki... I'll get right on that
[06:13] <AndyChow888> I mean, the performance difference is an order of magnitude, at least.
[06:17] <eraserpencil_> im using firefox and libreoffice both as snaps, but I cant open a downloaded file in firefox with libreoffice
[06:17] <eraserpencil_> some permissions issue im observing.
[06:17] <nshire> my GPT ubuntu installer only booted to the black GRUB2 screen. what could be the issue?
[06:17] <eraserpencil_> does anyone know a fix
[06:19] <AndyChow888> black grub? Screenshot please.
[06:19] <AndyChow888> eraserpencil_, who is the owner of the downloaded file?
[06:19] <eraserpencil_> it's a single user computer, so I am
[06:20] <AndyChow888> eraserpencil_, no, the owner of the file, as defined by the attributes of the file.
[06:21] <AndyChow888> eraserpencil_, do ls -l and what is the output for that file?
[06:21] <eraserpencil_> well, owner and group are my user
[06:21] <nshire> AndyChow888, only said GNU GRUB 2.xx ... minimal bash-like [...] and then there was a command line
[06:21] <nshire> this but different versions numbers https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiEhuSuzrzeAhUDLXwKHcXRCVAQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Faskubuntu.com%2Fquestions%2F993152%2Fgrub-command-prompt-instead-of-normal-boot-for-windows-10-after-deleting-ubuntu&psig=AOvVaw1rXxb1jpvOtOetjeEzr6QG&ust=1541485228111113
[06:22] <nshire> err this https://i.stack.imgur.com/DEL0D.jpg
[06:22] <pi0> google-remote?
[06:24] <AndyChow888> pi0, Chrome Remote Desktop, but yeah. Terrible solution, but depends on use-case.
[06:25] <pi0> i guess it would be a windows/linux solution
[06:25] <pi0> for vnc one must allow port forwarding on router, right?
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> !vnc | pi0
[06:27] <eraserpencil_> http://termbin.com/vz6a if it helps
[06:27] <pi0> ubottu: but one does not need to enable port forwarding so the system can be reached ?
[06:28] <AndyChow888> For every solution, to access your computer from the internet, you need to enable port-forwarding. For any solution.
[06:29] <pi0> but not for teamviewer
[06:29] <AndyChow888> For teamviewer also, I'm rather sure.
[06:30] <AndyChow888> How else can you forward the packets to your internal network from the WAN?
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> AndyChow888: i think teamviewer bypasses firewall/forwarding
[06:34] <pi0> by having the server centralized
[06:34] <AndyChow888> teamviewer is cloud-based?
[06:35] <pi0> hmm well all i know is that you do not ned to modify router settings
[06:36] <eraserpencil_> might be a libreoffice bug than a firefox bug
[06:37] <AndyChow888> Seems team-viewer is cloud-based. Talk about security risks
[06:38] <pi0> my intention is i have a programming class and sometimes i need to show the gui
[06:38] <pi0> and i can be at a cafe
[06:38] <pi0> and want to share my screen
[06:38] <Ben64> you don't need a gui for programming class
[06:38] <pi0> my ide
[06:39] <pi0> andriod studio
[06:39] <Ben64> vim doesn't need a gui
[06:39] <pi0> that doesnt but i mean reasonable programming :) with debuggers
[06:40] <Ben64> but really, doing work over the network on a remote desktop is a horrible experience
[06:40] <AndyChow888> A remote desktop, sure. But remote admin with SSH is heaven.
[06:41] <AndyChow888> If you just want people to see your screen, you could stream your screen, say with OBS.
[06:41] <pi0> stream screen with OBS
[06:41] <pi0> hmm is there a link
[06:42] <AndyChow888> https://obsproject.com/
[06:44] <pi0> would that show it to everyone
[06:45] <pi0> or do i have an option to only broadcast to 1 person
[06:45] <AndyChow888> Everyone that had access. You choose where to stream, and to whom.
[06:46] <AndyChow888> It's what gamers use to show their friends their game.
[06:46] <luna> well you can always record locally aswell :P
[06:46] <AndyChow888> You can add a webcam, etc, so it's rather cool.
[06:46] <luna> used OBS to record some concert in the school theathre where i work locally
[06:46] <luna> :P
[06:47] <luna> and to stream some Quakeworld tourneys
[06:48] <pi0> gonna have to check out a tutorial link
[06:48] <AndyChow888> The only downside, and it's an AMD problem, is that if your graphic card is AMD, you can't use accelerated encoding, only software encoding, unless you are on Windows. No such problem with Intel or nVidia.
[06:49] <AndyChow888> AMD has basically only enabled it's hardware encode with Windows. Rather disappointing.
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> guys conversations fit in #ubuntu-discuss
[06:52] <pi0> does the person viewing the stream need to download large software
[06:56] <Ben64> pi0: they need a web browser
[06:57] <nekowaiidesu> Good morning lovely people, when I do apt-get update I get a few messages like this:
[06:57] <nekowaiidesu> (appstreamcli:16492): GLib-CRITICAL **: 08:55:21.734: g_strchug: assertion 'string != NULL' failed
[06:57] <nekowaiidesu> Could anyone give me an idea as to what this means?
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: could you hastebin the full output of: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade please?
[06:58] <pi0> or i can use my private vm
[06:58] <pi0> cloud system
[06:58] <pi0> and piggy back to my laptop to use vnc
[06:58] <Ben64> will be awful
[06:58] <pi0> user --> cloud linux --> my laptop
[06:58] <pi0> oh
[06:58] <pi0> forget that
[06:58] <pi0> lol
[06:59] <nekowaiidesu> lotuspsychje, see: https://pastebin.com/4sig5Xx7
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: wow thats looks weird indeed
[07:01] <AndyChow888> Did you flash your bios?
[07:01] <nekowaiidesu> It doesn't seem to be affecting anything (that I can tell) - just not sure what appstreamcli:16492 is or whether i should be concerned
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: wich ubuntu release/kernel is this?
[07:02] <Ben64> a quick google says to 'sudo apt-get purge libappstream3'
[07:02] <nekowaiidesu> libappstream3. Okay I'll check what that is first lol :)
[07:03] <Ben64> ooh, maybe not. on my system doing so wants to remove ubuntu-software and gnome-software
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream/+bug/1579712 #18 indeed! nekowaiidesu
[07:04] <AndyChow888> That your system wants to upgrade parted and secureboot-db are red-flags, to me.
[07:04] <AndyChow888> Then, it can't find your sys efi.
[07:05] <nekowaiidesu> I may have botched the upgrade from 16.04 -> 18.04
[07:07] <Xard> seems like the nautilus search crashing issue in 18.04 has been finally fixed, nice work!
[07:07] <AndyChow888> Have you done "apt dist-upgrade"?
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> !yay | Xard
[07:08] <nekowaiidesu> AndyChow888, thought I had. Ran it now and there is loads to download, also loads to autoremove.
[07:09] <AndyChow888> nekowaiidesu, you might have to do it a few times. Not sure why, but apt and apt-get are weird like that sometimes.
[07:09] <nekowaiidesu> I'll check if update still gives those warnings after dist-upgrade and autoremove
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: it would help if you give us details of what your purpose is/was
[07:10] <nekowaiidesu> Thanks. My net is not always stable, so I'll give apt benefit of doubt and blame the connection :P
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: xenial release? upgrade to bionic?
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: no this is deeper issue then just a network problem
[07:11] <nekowaiidesu> Sorry lotuspsychje, yes. 4.15.0-36-generic Xubuntu, I did 16.04 xenial to 18.04 bionic some time ago
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: ok you are now on 18.04.1 but not up to date yet, .38 is out
[07:12] <nekowaiidesu> For example: 18.04.XX  -   is the XX dist-upgrade ?
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: point releases come with regular system updates
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: so just keeping your system up to date
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: in your case, i would try to cleanup system, apt clean, bleachbit,do what apt asks to cleanup/purge
[07:15] <nekowaiidesu> is apt-get update and upgrade sufficient to stay up to date? Or do I need to using dist-upgrade on a regular basis too?
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: thats enough yes
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: but my guess is, you have 16.04 left overs need to cleanup
[07:16] <nekowaiidesu> Okay, thanks. I'll do some cleaning.
[07:16] <AndyChow888> apt dist-upgrade is used when you need to change dependencies to new versions. Think python 2.7 vs python 3.X.
[07:18] <pi0> anyone here recompile their kernel?
[07:18] <nekowaiidesu> Alright. Thanks for all the answers and help AndyChow888, lotuspsychje
[07:19] <AndyChow888> I've compiled the kernel a few times. What's your question pi0?
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: seems like an old bug too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fwupd/+bug/1575248
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> pi0: we strongl advice to use !mainline in ubuntu instead of compiling own kernel
[07:27] <pi0> why not recompile kernel
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> pi0: we do not support it here and is there a specific reason you need an own compiled kernel?
[07:30] <pi0> most likely just to personalize it to my laptop
[07:30] <pi0> faster boot and better performance
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> pi0: tweaking system for speed & performance does not requier kernel compile
[07:32] <pi0> were can i modify it?
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> pi0: are you trolling us?
[07:32] <ducasse> pi0: you're very likely not going to see any performance gain by recompiling kernel
[07:34] <pi0> no i am not
[07:34] <pi0> i downloaded the kernel
[07:34] <pi0> 4.19.1
[07:35] <pi0> is it mainly loaded services?
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> pi0: if you dont know what your doing exactly, i wouldnt compile own kernel
[07:38] <pi0> is there a newbie for performance
[07:38] <pi0> i mean guide
[07:40] <pi0> be right back
[07:40] <ducasse> pi0: the mainline kernels are only intended for testing, they're not intended for daily usage
[07:52] <tachikomas> Hello o/, is there any channel on freenode where i can ask question about wireless (non os dependent)
[07:53] <radkos> i have rsyslog question: does anyone knows how to use ruleset in omrelp
[07:53] <radkos> i read something about call operator but didn't find a complete definition of it
[07:54] <rdz> tachikomas, join #wireless
[08:03] <tachikomas> thanks rdz
[08:17] <CoolerZ> hey i followed the instructions here https://learning.getpostman.com/docs/postman/launching_postman/installation_and_updates#linux-installation
[08:17] <CoolerZ> but Postman is not showing up on the desktop
[08:17] <CoolerZ> its also not showing up when i search
[08:20] <afx_> HEllo everyone! Can you please advise me a way on how to backup my entire Ubuntu installatio, so I can go back if I do something terribly wrong ?
[08:20] <hateball> !backup
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> CoolerZ: try their support forum: https://community.getpostman.com/?_ga=2.162713919.2019879078.1541405939-892278544.1541405939
[08:20] <EriC^^> afx_: if you have a big enough space as your entire hdd you could make an image of it using dd
[08:21] <afx_> EriC^^, this is not a bad idea actually . Would I just restore with a live cd then?
[08:22] <EriC^^> afx_: yeah live cd then dd it back
[08:22] <afx_> Also , I have encrypted my /home folder .Will this stay intact?
[08:22] <EriC^^> if the disk has multiple os you dont want backing up you could just backup the partition
[08:22] <EriC^^> yeah that's totally fine
[08:23] <afx_> EriC^^, yes it is dual boot system
[08:23] <CoolerZ> lotuspsychje, what are .desktop files?
[08:23] <afx_> EriC^^, do you know of any software that takes incremental backups
[08:24] <EriC^^> afx_: not really, i've seen some rsync based stuff using hard links or something
[08:24] <afx_> Back in time advertises as such , but would like your experience too
[08:25] <ducasse> afx_: try backintime if you want a gui program
[08:25] <afx_> can you completely restore to the state you took the backup ?
[08:26] <ducasse> afx_: you should be able to, yes
[08:26] <afx_> ducasse
[08:26] <afx_> have you used this software ?
[08:26] <ducasse> afx_: it won't back up the bootloader, though
[08:26] <afx_> hmm
[08:26] <ducasse> i've used it, yes
[08:27] <afx_> so you have to reinstall grub?>
[08:27] <ducasse> yes
[08:27] <EriC^^> afx_: are you using uefi?
[08:28] <EriC^^> nevermind
[08:28] <afx_> EriC^^, there is a folder /sys/firmware/efi/ so I guess I am using UEFI
[08:28] <afx_> Don't know other way to find out
[08:29] <afx_> Why are you asking ?>
[08:29] <EriC^^> yeah you are then
[08:29] <airwind> hello, why does grub2 update so "often" on ubuntu? The version ov 2.02 doesn't change during update.
[08:29] <airwind> of*
[08:29] <EriC^^> i was going to suggest copying the mbr if you hadn't, easy 512byte backup/restoration
[08:30] <EriC^^> it's easy enough to reinstall grub though from a live cd
[08:31] <afx_> Let's hope restore won't be necessary :)
[08:31] <afx_> Thank you both !!
[08:31] <EriC^^> sure np :)
[08:56] <barc0d4> i have a external HDD so the permition is read-only and I cant copy my files so how can I change to rw ?
[08:56] <EriC^^> barc0d4: use sudo
[08:57] <barc0d4> EriC^^: not working
[08:57] <EriC^^> barc0d4: can you pastebin the output of "mount" ?
[08:57] <EriC^^> !paste | barc0d4
[08:58] <ducasse> !permissions | barc0d4
[08:58] <ducasse> barc0d4: ^^ this will tell you all you need to know
[08:59] <barc0d4> https://pasteboard.co/HLJCFpF.png
[09:00] <barc0d4> dude i did many ways but nothing can change the readonly permition for this shit HDD
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> !language | barc0d4
[09:00] <ducasse> barc0d4: watch your language, please
[09:01] <EriC^^> barc0d4: paste the output of "mount" (run it in a terminal)
[09:01] <barc0d4> ducasse: what do you mean by language ?
[09:01] <barc0d4> sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/sdb2  I did this but nothing happend
[09:01] <sawdog> Hi, I’ve been slowly working through issues getting 18.04 installed on a ADLink MXE-1300 series Atom based system. I’ve finally gotten past issues with the grfx module and now hitting this bug - anyone know/seen a way to get past:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/1771348
[09:02] <EriC^^> barc0d4: there's a difference between being mounted read-only, and permissions being read only
[09:02] <EriC^^> barc0d4: paste mount's output, we'll know if it's mounted ro, what fs it is, and what not
[09:02] <barc0d4> EriC^^: so whats the solution ?
[09:02] <EriC^^> i'm literally trying to get there except i need some info first
[09:03] <barc0d4> EriC^^: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/y-cw9fdr-2GupFEyAetopA
[09:03] <EriC^^> ok so the fs type is hfsplus, meaning it's a mac fs that's why it's mounted read only
[09:04] <EriC^^> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/hfsplus
[09:04] <barc0d4> EriC^^: yes I use this disk as my backup but I cant use it in linux
[09:05] <EriC^^> seems you need to disable journaling or something then you can mount it read write
[09:05] <EriC^^> but it says you have to disable it in os x O.o
[09:06] <EriC^^> see here instead https://askubuntu.com/questions/332315/how-to-read-and-write-hfs-journaled-external-hdd-in-ubuntu-without-access-to-os
[09:08] <EriC^^> barc0d4: basically install "hfsprogs" if it isnt already
[09:08] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install hfsprogs
[09:08] <EriC^^> then type "sudo mount -t hfsplus -o remount,force,rw /run/media/arsalan/Files"
[09:08] <barc0d4> EriC^^: my system break
[09:08] <EriC^^> what do you mean?
[09:09] <EriC^^> apt isnt working?
[09:09] <barc0d4> EriC^^: i used this sudo chown -R 501:username /home/username /media/username
[09:09] <barc0d4> my god
[09:09] <EriC^^> barc0d4: run "sudo chown $USER: -R $HOME"
[09:11] <barc0d4> EriC^^: it's back
[09:11] <barc0d4> EriC^^: can i change read only in linux ?
[09:11] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:11] <barc0d4> how ?
[09:12] <EriC^^> read above before you said my system break
[09:12] <EriC^^> the 2 commands apt-get and mount one
[09:12] <lesshaste> my texlive install has got into a terrible state. How can I fix it? See https://bpaste.net/show/14b8135e4683
[09:14] <geirha> lesshaste: apt-cache policy texlive-fonts-extra-doc
[09:15] <lesshaste> geirha, let me try that. Thanks
[09:15] <geirha> lesshaste: that is, could you pastebin the output of that
[09:15] <lesshaste> geirha, I just removed the repo for the updated texlive. Let me first see if I can just go back to the standard version
[09:16] <geirha> lesshaste: use ppa-purge for that
[09:18] <geirha> re-enable the ppa, run apt-get update, install ppa-purge package, remove the ppa using the ppa-purge command. It will "downgrade" the packages to the official package versions before disabling the ppa
[09:23] <barc0d4> EriC^^: sudo mount -t hfsplus -o remount,force,rw /run/media/arsalan/Files this is not working :(
[09:24] <EriC^^> why not
[09:25] <barc0d4> EriCdownt know
[09:25] <barc0d4> dont know
[09:25] <EriC^^> what happens after you type it
[09:26] <barc0d4> nothing just i put it in terminal and then i checked it but all file already in read only mode
[09:28] <EriC^^> barc0d4: try to unmount it using "sudo umount /run/media/arsalan/Files"
[09:28] <EriC^^> let me know when you've run that
[09:29] <barc0d4> EriC^^: okey umounted
[09:30] <EriC^^> barc0d4: type "sudo rmdir /media/arsalan"
[09:31] <barc0d4> EriC^^: but you wanna remove it ?
[09:31] <EriC^^> yeah cause earlier you mentioned the chown command, it will recreate it with proper permissions and user acl
[09:32] <EriC^^> be sure to use rmdir not rm (it'll only remove an empty dir)
[09:33] <barc0d4> EriC^^: okey then I have to use /run/media/arsalan ?
[09:33] <EriC^^> hmm well you said you ran chown /media/username
[09:33] <EriC^^> are you using ubuntu?
[09:33] <barc0d4> EriC^^: no im on fedora
[09:33] <EriC^^> oh
[09:33] <EriC^^> nevermind then
[09:33] <barc0d4> so so
[09:34] <geirha> why are you asking in #ubuntu if you're not using ubuntu?
[09:34] <EriC^^> barc0d4: try "sudo mount -t hfsplus -o force,rw /dev/sdb2 /mnt"
[09:34] <barc0d4> geirha: i think ubuntu has better comunity than fedora
[09:35] <EriC^^> it's a different os though, like maybe fedora doesnt use acl's on media dir and stuff
[09:35] <EriC^^> something to keep in mind for the future, anyways try the mount command above
[09:41] <barc0d4> EriC^^: thanks dude for everythinks :)
[09:41] <EriC^^> barc0d4: no problem :)
[09:56] <PsyStemUpdate> anyone know if hard links or symbolic links have to obey permissions? if i link a file to a file that needs root access, does the user have to also have privilege to access the simlink or will it let them get access and treat the symlink and what it is linked to as if it were in their home directory(assuming i place the link in their home directory, does it bypass permissions of the target?)
[09:59] <TJ-> PsyStemUpdate: short answer; yes
[10:00] <PsyStemUpdate> TJ are you answering the first or last question?
[10:01] <PsyStemUpdate> both questions contradict so a yes or no doesnt tell me which one you are answering
[10:01] <TJ-> PsyStemUpdate: It'd be a pretty big security vulnerability if links could bypass permissions checks
[10:01] <PsyStemUpdate> ah ok. thanks
[10:01] <TJ-> PsyStemUpdate: OK, Yes and No :)
[10:03] <PsyStemUpdate> atm im trying to see if anyone has used a mounting or hard linking solution to the ssh git server problem..usually admin creates one git user, but multiple people work through that user each with different authorized keys. i was wondering if instead we can create all the users in linux and jail them to one folder which has the repo mounted to all their directories. (many users, one shared target)
[10:06] <PsyStemUpdate> the idea is to let every user have access to the same repo but not copy the repo into each of their home directories (because then their would be a master repo for each user when we only need one master repo that all users are pushing and pulling from even though on different accounts.
[10:07] <PsyStemUpdate> nvm i found an answer, i think im making it too complicated...create a git group, add all users to it, then have a folder where the repo resides with that group able to access it.
[10:10] <rdz> PsyStemUpdate, sounds like you want gitolite
[10:10] <rdz> gitolite already has a thin interface where you can easily administer which user has what kind of acces to what repository
[10:17] <rpifan> l~~
[10:41] <elysium> Can somebody help me to extract PublicKeys from an ugly .csv File? https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/Intermediate_Certificates >> Downlaod CSV with PEM >> https://ccadb-public.secure.force.com/mozilla/PublicAllIntermediateCertsWithPEMCSV <<
[10:41] <elysium> that's a list of all intermediate certs but i need all the PubKeys in one file (below each other) or one pubkey per file :')
[10:49] <cosmo-tech> Hello
[10:50] <cosmo-tech> On Ubuntu 18.04 using gnome flashback, i cannot open folders using desktop icons.
[10:51] <TJ-> elysium:  awk 'C==1 && ! /END CERTIFICATE/ {print $0} /BEGIN CERTIFICATE/{C=1; print "-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----"} /END CERTIFICATE/{C=0; print "-----END CERTIFICATE-----"}' PublicAllIntermediateCertsWithPEMReport.csv
[10:52] <elysium> Wohoo, big thx @ TJ- !
[10:56] <LondonAppDev> Question: Is anyone experiencing any issues with installing the `python3-gdal` through apt-get? I get an issue saying "There were unauthenticated packages and -y was used without --allow-unauthenticated". I am hesitant to allow-unauthenticated in-case it's a security risk.
[10:59] <TJ-> LondonAppDev: can you pastebin the entire report from using "apt install ..." so we can see more?
[11:03] <LondonAppDev> TJ-: This is the output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7kwNSW9cFh/
[11:05] <TJ-> LondonAppDev: hmmm, might need to add some additional Debug:: options to identify which package. Does the system have any PPAs or other 3rd-party repositories configured?
[11:18] <LondonAppDev> TJ-: Apologies, I got disconnected.
[11:19] <TJ-> LondonAppDev: yeah, and there was us thinking you were taking a nap :)
[11:19] <TJ-> LondonAppDev: hmmm, might need to add some additional Debug:: options to identify which package. Does the system have any PPAs or other 3rd-party repositories configured?
[11:21] <LondonAppDev> TJ-: Lol no nap for me at 11:15 on a Monday unfortunately :D. The system is a docker image based off python3.7-slim. I'll try and modify the config to run in debug mode. Thanks a lot for your direction!
[11:24] <TJ-> LondonAppDev: try "apt -o=Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true install ..."
[11:26] <LondonAppDev> TJ- It appears that the issue has mysteriously solved itself o_0
[11:27] <LondonAppDev> I think it may have been related to my VPN... Sometimes I get some issues with TLS certs when connecting via certain regions.
[11:27] <LondonAppDev> TJ- Thanks a lot for your advice, it's much appreciated!
[11:30] <TJ-> LondonAppDev: sounds like something intercepting apt's HTTP connections - transparent proxy possibly
[11:33] <sruli> ubuntu 18.04 after a update i get black screen after plymouth xorg.failsafe.log says no screens found, i reinstalled gd3 and xserver-xorg did not help, tried booting with previous kernels does not help, what can i do?
[11:40] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:02] <dreamer> wtf, I restarted my machine and now my user is no longer in the sudoers file .. what kind of 'magic' is this ..
[12:02] <dreamer> also the hostname reverted to a previous version
[12:04] <jink> How did you edit the sudoers file?
[12:04] <dreamer> probably visudo?
[12:04] <dreamer> this is months ago
[12:04] <dreamer> like ~2 months ago I installed this machine. added this user etc.
[12:04] <jink> visudo would be the way to go, yes. :D
[12:05] <dreamer> actually probably on install I created the user and it had sudo rights
[12:05] <dreamer> because I don't have any root password. only this user
[12:05] <dreamer> so, this is weird
[12:05] <dreamer> so now I have to reboot and hack my own machine in order to have root access .. this is stupid
[12:08] <sruli> ubuntu 18.04 after a update i get black screen after plymouth xorg.failsafe.log says no screens found, i reinstalled gd3 and xserver-xorg did not help, tried booting with previous kernels does not help, what can i do?
[12:12] <multifractal> My friend's 18.04 is becoming unresponsive a few minutes after booting, apparently. He says it happens with both Unity and Gnome. Keyboard and mouse are unable to select/click anything but apparently the mouse still moves around. Does anyone know what this could be?
[12:12] <lotus|NUC> sruli: try purge gdm3 and ubuntu-desktop, then reinstall right after
[12:13] <multifractal> New Dell XPS15 - could need some BIOS config stuff. Also I think he gets a blank unresponsive screen when trying to resume from suspend.
[12:13] <sruli> lotus|NUC: purge ubuntu-desktop?
[12:14] <sruli> lotus|NUC: "dpkg -l | grep ubuntu-desktop" returns nothing
[12:14] <lotus|NUC> sruli: wich ubuntu flavor are you on?
[12:15] <sruli> lotus|NUC: regular 18.04, it was 16.04 gnome, but upgraded to 18.04 which i beleive is gnome
[12:15] <dreamer> oh seriously. hostnames are now handled by systemd. how stupid is that
[12:16] <lotus|NUC> dreamer: use this channel only for ubuntu issues please
[12:16] <lotus|NUC> feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-discuss dreamer
[12:16] <lotus|NUC> sruli: sounds like a bad ubuntu-gnome to ubuntu-desktop transition..
[12:17] <BluesKaj> dreamer, one change hostnames in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
[12:17] <lotus|NUC> sruli: did you encounter issues while upgrading?
[12:17] <sruli> lotus|NUC: worked for past few weeks without issue, what should i do? instal ubuntu-desktop?
[12:17] <sruli> lotus|NUC: no issues while upgrading
[12:18] <dreamer> lotus|NUC: yeah well. I was struggling to figure out why my hostname keeps resetting
[12:18] <dreamer> and apparently the command 'hostname' no longer exists
[12:18] <dreamer> well it exists, but it's useless
[12:18] <lotus|NUC> sruli: yeah i would try that, as ubuntu-desktop is what you want right?
[12:18] <dreamer> BluesKaj: apparently not
[12:18] <dreamer> BluesKaj: you have to use a convoluted systemd command to do it now
[12:19] <BluesKaj> dreamer, nope, just reboot afterwards
[12:19] <dreamer> BluesKaj: nope, hostname was reset
[12:19] <sruli> lotus|NUC: i am not sure if that what i need, is it required in regular 18.04? if it is i cant start to guess how it suddenly dissapeared
[12:19] <dreamer> BluesKaj: on 18.04 anyway
[12:20] <lotus|NUC> sruli: default 18.04 has gnome now, so thats what you get from vanilla ubuntu-desktop
[12:20] <sruli> lotus|NUC: i had similar issues with 2 machines running 16.04 but booting an older kernel works fine
[12:20] <lotus|NUC> sruli: unless you wanted another ubuntu flavor
[12:20] <sruli> lotus|NUC: ok, will install it
[12:20] <BluesKaj> dreamer, this is not a debate, unless you didn't choose a username and pw during the install, then you're up the creek
[12:21] <dreamer> BluesKaj: it's not, I'm just stating the facts of my experience
[12:21] <dreamer> I edited /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts
[12:21] <lotus|NUC> dreamer: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-change-hostname-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[12:21] <dreamer> but after reboot they are reset
[12:21] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:21] <dreamer> lotus|NUC: exactly
[12:22] <dreamer> I don't get why this was necessary at all. but I guess poettering has 'very good reasons'
[12:22] <dreamer> anyway, I also don't get why my user was kicked out of the sudoers list
[12:25] <sruli> lotus|NUC: still getting stuck after plymouth
[12:25] <lotus|NUC> sruli: did you install gdm3 also?
[12:26] <sruli> lotus|NUC: yes
[12:26] <lotus|NUC> sruli: try this? systemctl restart gdm.service
[12:28] <sruli> lotus|NUC: gdm or gdm3 service?
[12:29] <sruli> lotus|NUC: both are showing "active (running)"
[12:30] <lotus|NUC> sruli: systemctl restart gdm
[12:30] <lotus|NUC> sruli: that should boost you to login window normally
[12:31] <sruli> lotus|NUC: didnt help
[12:31] <lotus|NUC> sruli: hmm
[12:31] <lotus|NUC> sruli: uname -a please?
[12:32] <sruli> lotus|NUC: i tried with older kernel "Linux saurymper 4.4.0-137-generic #163-Ubuntu SMP Mon Sep 24 13:14:43 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
[12:32] <lotus|NUC> sruli: you said you was on 18.04 now?
[12:33] <sruli> lotus|NUC: yes, rebooting with newest kernel now
[12:33] <BluesKaj> dreamcat4, add your user to sudo ?
[12:34] <BluesKaj> oops wrong nick
[12:34] <lotus|NUC> sruli: should be this right now: 4.15.0-38-generic
[12:34] <BluesKaj> dreamer has quit
[12:35] <lotus|NUC> BluesKaj: he went to sleep :p
[12:38] <sruli> lotus|NUC: booted now with 4.15.0-38, same issue restart gdm does not help
[12:38] <lotus|NUC> sruli: wich graphics driver and chipset please?
[12:39] <sruli> lotus|NUC: lshw -c video?
[12:39] <lotus|NUC> yes plz
[12:39] <lotus|NUC> sudo
[12:40] <sruli> lotus|NUC: output here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cXVN2XVsWd/
[12:41] <sruli> lotus|NUC: "*-display UNCLAIMED" not sure if that is the issue
[12:41] <lotus|NUC> sruli: unclaimed means driver isnt active
[12:41] <lotus|NUC> sruli: looks like intel/amd hybrid graphics card
[12:42] <sruli> lotus|NUC: i am not sure its HP all in one
[12:42] <lotus|NUC> sruli: think radeon doesnt boot well for some reason
[12:43] <lotus|NUC> !nomodeset | sruli try to get in
[12:44] <lotus|NUC> hey ioria
[12:44] <ioria> lotus|NUC, hi lotus
[12:45] <lotus|NUC> ioria: sruli here has a black screen after 16.04 ubuntu-gnome to 18.04 upgrade, radeon driver not active, card unclaimed
[12:45] <ioria> wow
[12:46] <lotus|NUC> ioria: we tryed reinstalling gdm3 ubuntu-desktop, no luck
[12:46] <ioria> lotus|NUC, sruli i'd try to reinstall the kernel
[12:46] <lotus|NUC> ioria: he's trying a nomodeset atm
[12:47] <sruli> lotus|NUC: ioria: few weeks after upgrade, it happened i guess after update to latest kernel
[12:47] <ioria> ok
[12:47] <ioria> sruli, 4.15.0-38-generic ?
[12:47] <lotus|NUC> ioria: his card https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cXVN2XVsWd/
[12:48] <sruli> ioria: yes
[12:49] <ioria> sruli, and what about nomodeset ?
[12:50] <sruli> lotus|NUC: ioria: had similar issues last week when updated 16.04 to kernel 4.4.0-138-generic, but in that case booting with old kernel works also amd/radeon card
[12:50] <sruli> ioria: nomodet does not help
[12:51] <lotus|NUC> sruli: can you recall installing amdgpu driver for that card before?
[12:51] <ioria> sruli, you see that also the integrated is disabled ?
[12:51] <sruli> lotus|NUC: i havnet
[12:51] <ioria> sruli, UNCLAIMED , i mean
[12:52] <sruli> ioria: i see it, dont know why or what to do about it
[12:52] <ioria> sruli, did you get some errors when upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04 ?
[12:52] <lotus|NUC> ioria: i wonder why ubuntu-gnome upgrade didnt install ubuntu-desktop?
[12:53] <sruli> ioria: i dot recall any errors
[12:53] <ioria> lotus|NUC, yes, g q
[12:54] <ioria> sruli, do you have a functional console ?
[12:54] <sruli> ioria: yes, logged in with ssh
[12:55] <ioria> sruli, dpkg -l | grep linux-image | pastebinit
[12:56] <sruli> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k8w78pXJHW/
[12:57] <sruli> ioria: i dont have the linux-image-extra for 4.15.* kernels, might that be the issue?
[12:57] <ioria> nope
[12:58] <ioria> sruli, dpkg -l | grep linux-modules | passtebinit
[12:58] <sruli> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/D3ZktbVkGT/
[12:59] <ioria> sruli, dpkg -l | grep xorg | pastebinit
[12:59] <lotus|NUC> sruli: any errors on sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade?
[13:00] <sruli> ioria: xorg output http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xwhntqJSTK/
[13:00] <sruli> lotus|NUC: apt update - All packages are up-to-date.
[13:01] <lotus|NUC> sruli: did you perhaps upgrade to 18.04 with a not fully updated 16.04 or so?
[13:01] <ioria> sruli, lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D'  | pastebinit
[13:02] <sruli> lotus|NUC: i dont remember, but highly unlikly, i run dist-upgrade frequently (original install on this sys was 16.04)
[13:02] <sruli> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QnjdxbMq58/
[13:04] <ioria> sruli, cat /proc/cmdline
[13:04] <tachikomas> Hello guys. Question about chromium on ubuntu. Is it possible to get netflix (drm) support on chromium ?
[13:05] <sruli> ioria: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.15.0-38-generic root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu--gnome--vg-lvroot ro recovery nomodeset
[13:05] <ioria> sruli, are yoiu on recovery ?
[13:05] <sruli> ioria: its the only way i can boot, else it stays stuck on plymouth screen
[13:06] <ioria> sruli, remove quiet splah
[13:06] <sruli> ioria: ok
[13:07] <sruli> ioria: leave nomodset in place, right?
[13:07] <ioria> sruli, nope
[13:07] <sruli> ioria: so remove all, ok
[13:08] <ioria> sruli, if it halts,  wait a bit and then try to open a console
[13:08] <sruli> ok
[13:11] <Gekko> How could I configure netplan / systemd-resolved to prefer any DHCP based DNS servers, but fallback to hardcoded DNS IPs if none are found working via DHCP?
[13:11] <Gekko> So far if I edit /etc/systemd/resolved.conf and add DNS=x.x.x.x, the DHCP DNS is not used at all
[13:12] <lotus|NUC> Gekko: are you on ubuntu-server?
[13:12] <Gekko> yes
[13:12] <Gekko> 18.04
[13:12] <lotus|NUC> Gekko: join #ubuntu-server volunteers might have a look for you
[13:12] <Gekko> right
[13:28] <sruli> ioria: it boots in text mode (no gui for plymouth), graphics not loading, i am logged in with ssh, what else can i try?
[13:28] <ioria> sruli, tried to open a console ?
[13:30] <sruli> ioria: no console
[13:32] <ioria> sruli, ctrl+alt+f2 (or f3), please try again
[13:32] <sruli> ioria: tried few times f1-f6
[13:33] <ioria> sruli, f1 is the gui on bionic
[13:33] <ioria> sruli, try toswitch again to lightdm
[13:34] <sruli> ioria: apt install lightdm
[13:34] <sruli> ioria: was able to get console in f2 now
[13:34] <ioria> sruli, sudo apt install --reinstall lightdm  and then dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[13:34] <ioria> ok
[13:35] <ioria> sruli, i don't get you... it works or not ?
[13:35] <sruli> ioria: now it worked, before i got no response, now i got a cosole on f2
[13:36] <ioria> sruli, lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D'  | pastebinit
[13:46] <sruli> ioria: command hangs, tried few times does not complete
[13:47] <ioria> sruli, sudo lshw -c Video  | pastebinit
[13:55] <sruli> ioria: also hangs (hangs at pci(sysfs))
[14:00] <LordDoskias> hello, after i updated to 18.04 the following sets of commands, that succeeded before are now failing: make -j8 LOCALVERSION= && sudo mount ~/projects/qemu/rootfs/ubuntu15.img ~/projects/qemu/osmount/ && sudo make -j8 modules_install INSTALL_MOD_PATH=~/projects/qemu/osmount/ && && sudo umount ~/projects/qemu/osmount
[14:00] <LordDoskias> in particular, the umount now gives -EBUSY
[14:00] <LordDoskias> if i put a lsof before the umount i get: gnome-she 28869 nborisov    7r   DIR   7,10  3436544 413569 /home/nborisov/projects/qemu/osmount/var/lib/btrfs
[14:01] <LordDoskias> so for some reason when i mount an image gnome-shell opens a reference to it, this was working just fine on 16.04
[14:07] <LordDoskias> so what the heck is gnome-shell-hotplug-sniffer
[14:09] <mgedmin> LordDoskias: google gives me a https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=726454
[14:10] <mgedmin> I think you can disable this by disabling autorun
[14:23] <sruli> ioria: any ideas?
[14:26] <ioria> sruli, check the logs
[14:26] <sruli> ioria: which logs?
[14:26] <ioria> all of them
[14:27] <sruli> ioria: syslog?
[14:27] <mgedmin> sruli: have you tried booting a live 18.04 desktop system from usb?
[14:28] <sruli> mgedmin: no
[14:28] <mgedmin> to see if it's your current install that's borken, or a kernel/driver incompatibility with your current hardware
[14:28] <sruli> mgedmin: liveusb wont have the latest kernel
[14:29] <mgedmin> wait, did your problems start after 16.04 -> 18.04 upgrade, or after a kernel update in 18.04?
[14:30] <sruli> mgedmin: after kernel update (upgraded ~month ago, worked fine until yesterday)
[14:30] <mgedmin> ah!  I got the wrong impression after quickly skimming the backlog
[14:31] <mgedmin> report ubuntu bug, boot an older kernel until it gets fixed?
[14:31] <sruli> mgedmin: older kernel does not help
[14:31] <mgedmin> okay, ouch, omg
[14:34] <sruli> what else can try? really dont want to reinstall
[14:34] <LordDoskias> mgedmin, how do i disable autorun in gnome-tweaks i don't see anything about autorun
[14:38] <mgedmin> LordDoskias: it's in gnome-control-center (under Removable media), not in gnome-tweaks
[14:39] <LordDoskias> mgedmin, basically set do nothing for every media?
[14:40] <mgedmin> there's a checkbox at the bottom that says something like 'never autorun anything'
[14:40] <LordDoskias> right, thanks
[14:41] <mgedmin> (also note that I'm _guessing_ that it might help, rather than knowing from experience -- do test if this help and tell us!)
[14:41] <LordDoskias> sudo mount rootfs/ubuntu15.img osmount/ && sudo umount osmount this succeds
[14:42] <mgedmin> oh heyy I only just noticed, is modern mount smart enough not to need -o loop when you're mounting disk images?  til!
[14:43] <LordDoskias> mgedmin, it seems to help indeed
[14:43] <LordDoskias> mgedmin, yes it is
[14:43] <LordDoskias> has been even in 16.04
[14:44] <the_drow> Is there a known apparmor profile for VMWare?
[14:55] <ioria> sruli, cat /proc/cmdline
[14:55] <sruli> ioria: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.15.0-38-generic root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu--gnome--vg-lvroot ro
[14:56] <ioria> sruli, stat / | grep Acc
[14:58] <sruli> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gqSkJ76p2t/
[14:58] <ioria> sruli, ald lspci not working ?
[14:58] <ioria> *and
[14:59] <sruli> ioria: its hanging, i can reboot and try again
[15:00] <ioria> sruli, yes, better
[15:02] <sruli> ioria: and you need me to execute those commands from console not from ssh? (i am not on location, takes a long time for my family member to type the in)
[15:03] <ioria> sruli, tell your family member to log in on #ubuntu
[15:03] <sruli> ioria: you mean as root?
[15:04] <ioria> sruli, no, from console
[15:05] <sruli> ioria: not sure what u mean, u mean to login to irc # ubuntu?
[15:07] <ioria> sruli, can't you tell the person in front of the pc to connect here ?
[15:08] <sruli> ioria: no, they are looking after little kids
[15:10] <ioria> sruli, reboot without nomodeset,quiet,splash ; open a console and run lspci
[15:10] <sruli> ioria: just lspci?
[15:12] <ioria> sruli, is it normal for you that that basic cmd is not working  on your pc ?
[15:13] <sruli> ioria, no, it worked before, last time it worked was before i removed nomodeset,quiet,splash
[15:13] <ioria> sruli, please, do as i asked
[15:14] <sruli> ioria: waiting for console to open, my question was if to run lspci without the grep or you meant full command
[15:15] <ioria> sruli, try both  (lspci     and lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D')
[15:16] <sruli> ok
[15:24] <sruli> ioria: still not able to get a console
[15:24] <sruli> but can login with ssh
[15:26] <ioria> sruli, and what's your /proc/cmdline  now ?
[15:26] <sruli> BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.15.0-38-generic root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu--gnome--vg-lvroot ro
[15:26] <ioria> sruli, ok, run lspci
[15:27] <sruli> ioria: i am in ssh
[15:27] <ioria> so ?
[15:27] <sruli> ioria: just making sure as you told me before to run from console
[15:27] <sruli> ioria: seems that its hanging. no output
[15:28] <ioria> sruli,  idk, blacklist amdgpu ; modprobe.blacklist=amdgpu
[15:29] <ioria> sruli,  as kernel parameter i mean
[15:30] <sruli> you mean i should add it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ?
[15:30] <ioria> sruli,  i said 'as kernel parameter'
[15:32] <sruli> ioria: i am not sure how, "modprobe blacklist amdgpu" ?
[15:33] <ioria> sruli, where you removed 'quiet splash', add 'modprobe.blacklist=amdgpu'  (without quotes)
[15:33] <sruli> ioria: got it, will do and update-grub ; reboot
[15:33] <ioria> you don't need update-grub
[15:34] <sruli> ioria: ok, rebooting
[15:43] <sruli> ioria: booted to desktop.
[15:44] <ioria> sruli, paste  lspci  -k   and lspci -k
[15:44] <sruli> ioria: twice the same?
[15:45] <ioria> sruli,   sorry, nope just lspci -k
[15:45] <sruli> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kcZDdvgqVM/
[15:46] <ullf09721> ioria: what are you trying to do?
[15:46] <ioria> sruli,   ok, so the problem seems to be amdgpu ... check if everything else is working
[15:47] <ioria> sruli,   did you install amdgpu-pro ?
[15:48] <sruli> ioria: i dont remember but i would say 95% that i did not
[15:48] <ioria> sruli,   dpkg -l | grep  amdgpu
[15:49] <sruli> ioria: libdrm-amdgpu1:amd64 & xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
[15:49] <ioria> sruli,  officially TOPAZ/MESO  is supported by o.s. amdgpu
[15:51] <ioria> sruli,  cd   to /etc/modprobe.d   and   run '  grep -R amdgpu * '
[15:52] <sruli> ioria: no results, do i need to
[15:53] <ioria> sruli,  to what ?
[15:53] <sruli> to run as root?
[15:53] <ioria> nope
[15:54] <ioria> sruli,  dmesg | grep -i amdgpu  does show something ?
[15:55] <sruli> ioria: Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.15.0-38-generic root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu--gnome--vg-lvroot ro modprobe.blacklist=amdgpu
[15:55] <sruli> same line for "Kernel command line"
[15:56] <ioria> sruli, yeah
[15:57] <ioria> sruli, for now you live without the dedicated card, until  we find the culprit
[15:57] <sruli> ioria: i mean it gave to lines the same 1. Command line. 2. Kernel command line, both lines hav ethe same BOOT_IMAGE*
[15:58] <sruli> ioria: everything seems to work, should i try to remove the balcklist after next kernel update?
[15:58] <ioria> sruli, nope, came back later and we try to spot the amdgpu issue
[15:59] <sruli> ioria: i have live patch enabled, might that have introduced the issue? should i disable it?
[15:59] <ioria> sruli, i don't use it sorry
[15:59] <sruli> ioria: thank you very much for your help
[15:59] <ioria> sruli, i mean, idk
[16:00] <ioria> sruli, no problem , but paste for the channel  syslog and dmesg
[16:01] <sruli> ioria: full syslog file?
[16:09] <sruli> ioria: syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pHt5rgFxSS/ | dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/J2Cz64sS8h/
[16:22] <gijoe3k> Have any you guys had problems setting up XRDP server on Xubuntu 18.04?
[16:22] <gijoe3k> k> I got it setup but when I try to connect to it using my Windows 7 machine...
[16:23] <gijoe3k>  Ill get the logon screen of my XRDP server, put in my username and password..
[16:23] <gijoe3k> Seems to go through....but the screen will turn from green to black and then suddenly disconnect :(
[16:28] <pragmaticenigma> gijoe3k: did you setup xrdp to use a specific environment? is there a reason you are not using VNC (easier to setup and manage)
[16:30] <pragmaticenigma> gijoe3k: have you also seen: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/xrdp ??
[16:32] <gijoe3k> @pramaticenigma No, i did not realize your could set it to a specific environment.
[16:32] <gijoe3k> Sounds like it could be my problem.
[16:33] <gijoe3k> I tried using vnc...could get it to work but didn't like the fact that I had to disable encryption in order for it to connect.
[16:33] <pragmaticenigma> gijoe3k: What do you mean disable encryption?
[16:35] <gijoe3k> Can I post links here?
[16:35] <pragmaticenigma> yes
[16:35] <pragmaticenigma> just avoid URL shorteners
[16:36] <paparazi> how to install latest driver ati
[16:36] <paparazi> i can get bionic https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-hd/ati-radeon-hd-5000-series/ati-radeon-hd-5570
[16:37] <pragmaticenigma> paparazi: That is not how you install ATI drivers
[16:37] <gijoe3k> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2391847
[16:38] <gijoe3k> Above is the problem and solution that I ran into using VNC
[16:40] <pragmaticenigma> gijoe3k: That is dependent on the client. Not all clients for Windows supports VNC encryption. However, if you are on your own local network, unless you have untrusted people on your network, you don't need encryption.
[16:41] <pragmaticenigma> gijoe3k: If you are attempting to connect from the Internet to your machine. You shouldn't expose VNC servers directly anyways, and instead SSH Tunnel or VPN to the machine directly.
[16:41] <gijoe3k> Good point....
[16:42] <gijoe3k> You mentioned setting up an evironment for XRDP....how do you do that?
[16:42] <pragmaticenigma> gijoe3k: It was somethign I saw in passing while searching for more information. I'm not too familiar with Xrdp
[16:43] <pragmaticenigma> gijoe3k: I had an article for 18.04 a while ago, trying to find it again
[16:44] <pragmaticenigma> gijoe3k: This is one of the community maintained instructions for setup: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/xrdp
[16:45] <gijoe3k> Would you say that VNC is better then XRDP?
[16:45] <gijoe3k> Does it outperform it in most situations?
[16:45] <pragmaticenigma> That's my personal opinion, it's open source for starters, and I find it more versatile.
[16:49] <spliffy> pragmaticenigma: I doubted the open source part of you statement and googled it. I didn't know there was an RFC (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6143). Nice
[17:14] <ioria> gijoe3k, setting up and environment means edit  (or create) a ~/.xsession file
[17:21] <barc0d4> hi
[17:21] <barc0d4> how can change a file with read-only atribute to rw in linux ?
[17:23] <pragmaticenigma> !permissions | barc0d4
[17:23] <barc0d4> pacbard: yea permissions or whatever
[17:24] <pi0> for improving performance on a limited notebook laptop, what can be done?
[17:24] <pi0> max ram allowed is 4gb
[17:25] <barc0d4> pragmaticenigma: chmod: changing permissions of '/boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg': Read-only file system
[17:25] <pragmaticenigma> barc0d4: You don't edit those... also, if your seeking help with Fedora, you should seek out their suport forums
[17:26] <barc0d4> pragmaticenigma: there is no one in fedora irc for many years :) no one help
[17:26] <pragmaticenigma> pi0: That question isn't what this channel is for. You can take a look at #ubuntu-offtopic or find other modding type channels
[17:27] <pi0> pragmaticenigma: sorry i mean within ubuntu
[17:27] <pragmaticenigma> barc0d4: This channel is for Ubuntu only. The two OS's are not even remotely the same
[17:27] <pi0> forgot to inlcude that part, i am running 18.04
[17:27] <barc0d4> pragmaticenigma: i know but this is not just for fedora topic this is gnu linux main problem
[17:27] <pragmaticenigma> pi0: Again, this channel isn't for performance tuning
[17:27] <pi0> gnome3 desktop
[17:27] <pragmaticenigma> barc0d4: Then go to #linux
[17:28] <pi0> oh but its related to ubuntu?
[17:28] <pragmaticenigma> pi0: please stop
[17:28] <pi0> understood, sorry
[17:28] <barc0d4> pragmaticenigma: dude you really Racies person :)
[17:29] <pragmaticenigma> pi0: this is a support channel. your question is seeking out opinion based responses. That is what the #ubuntu-offtopic channel is for
[17:29] <pi0> is there something like process explorer for ubnutu
[17:29] <pragmaticenigma> !info top | pi0
[17:29] <pragmaticenigma> pi0: In desktop, look for System Manager
[17:30] <pi0> let me take a look, thank you
[17:48] <devslash> how do you update ubuntu to 18.10 from the command line
[17:48] <gdibass> enable dev builds and then run do-release-upgrade
[17:48] <devslash> its not released yet
[17:49] <devslash> I mean public builds
[17:49] <teward> devslash: 18.10 is released but the direct upgrade path I don't think is open yet, no.
[17:49] <gdibass> yeah that won't work then :P
[17:49] <gdibass> nvm
[17:49] <devslash> I see
[17:49] <teward> unless you enable the thing with passing the dev release flag to do-release-upgrade
[17:50] <devslash> normally wouldnt you do apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:51] <pragmaticenigma> gdibass: That is not correct
[17:51] <ducasse> if Prompt is set to normal in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades you should be able to upgrade with do-release-upgrade
[17:51] <pragmaticenigma> gdibass: You do not need to update to dev to get the next version.
[17:52] <pragmaticenigma> same teward ... do not recommend using the dev flag... that permanently sets the machine to the dev builds which are unstable
[17:53] <ducasse> devslash: just try what i just outlined, it seems to work here
[17:53] <gdibass> Er yeah, just set it away from LTS
[17:53] <devslash> ducasse, in that file it says Prompt=lts
[17:53] <devslash> so I need to change it to Prompt=normal ?
[17:54] <devslash> is that right ?
[17:54] <pragmaticenigma> devslash: yes, if you change it to normal, when the upgrade from 18.04 to 18.10 is ready you will get a prompt
[17:54] <ducasse> devslash: just change that and run do-release-upgrade
[17:54] <devslash> ahh that did it thanks
[17:55] <ducasse> np
[17:56] <Ben64> devslash: you know 18.04 is supported for 5 years, and 18.10 is only supported for 9 months, right?
[17:58] <gijoe3k> Is there a ncruses version of synaptic out there somewhere?
[17:59] <gijoe3k> Something that I can run through SSH but have all the functionality of synaptic?
[18:00] <pragmaticenigma> gijoe3k: I have not seen one ... most people use apt commands
[18:01] <ducasse> gijoe3k: closest i know of is aptitude
[18:02] <gijoe3k> yeah that's what I was thinking
[18:02] <gijoe3k> suppose i should just stop being a wimp and learn to use more apt commands hehe
[18:04] <pragmaticenigma> gijoe3k: If you are not bandwidth constrained ... you could try X-forwarding for getting access to the GUI applications. easy if your connecting to the remote machine with linux. The command "ssh -Y user@machinename_or_ip" ... then type the name of the program. (Note: not all applications work well with Xforwarding, and this works best on a local network)
[18:05] <gijoe3k> pragmaticenigma: Can you point me to an offical how-to from ubuntu on how to do it
[18:05] <gijoe3k> sounds like a good alternative
[18:07] <pragmaticenigma> gijoe3k: there isn't anything to setup other than having SSH server installed. Any other ubuntu machine can connect via "ssh -Y user@machine" ... the "-Y" is enabled the forwarding to the client machine
[18:08] <pragmaticenigma> gijoe3k: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/PortForwarding#Forwarding_GUI_Programs
[18:36] <Sven_vB> I'm considering using a Xubuntu live session to debootstrap a vanilla ubuntu. will I still get the 5 years LTS support?
[18:38] <Sven_vB> once I reboot the support time should only depend on which apt repos I've configured, right?
[18:40] <domedagen> Is it possible to use a package made for 16.04 on 18.04?
[18:41] <leftyfb> domedagen: possible, more than likely in a lot of case. Recommend? No.
[18:41] <domedagen> Why?
[18:42] <domedagen> What is really meant by the version specification?
[18:42] <domedagen> Every version comes with different versions of the content software
[18:42] <domedagen> but they will likely be backwards compatible?
[18:43] <ioria> domedagen, check the dependencies version
[18:44] <Sven_vB> domedagen, you migth be in for the linux version of DLL hell. in some cases there are easier options, including chroots and docker.
[18:44] <elias_a> domedagen: You have a nick that means doomsday and you want to ask packages from another version? :D
[18:45] <Sven_vB> nomen est omen
[18:46] <domedagen> Yes!
[18:46] <elias_a> flatus jacta est - (as they say in Britain that the word trump means a fart)
[18:47] <compdoc> means the same thing in America
[18:51] <elias_a> Good. Was it that way before present POTUS?
[18:52] <saint_> anyone running ubuntu on OptiPlex 3050 micro desktops by any chance ?
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> saint_: ask your real issue please?
[18:53] <saint_> lotuspsychje just want to know if anyone runs it on OptiPlex. I have no issue. I don't own one.
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> saint_: we try to focus to ubuntu issues here, chat & discuss fit in other channels
[18:54] <saint_> lotuspsychje if you tell me you run Ubuntu on an OptiPlec micro server, THEN i will ask you if you encountered any issue..
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> saint_: thats not how this channel works
[18:55] <sruli> saint_: and if he doesnt own one but used one.. just ask the question...
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> sruli: did you solve your issue from today?
[18:57] <sruli> lotuspsychje: at the moment its running with amdgpu blacklisted
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> sruli: aha, so it was indeed radeon not loading
[18:58] <sruli> lotuspsychje: yep
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> sruli: did ioria solve it
[18:59] <sruli> lotuspsychje: ioria got to me the point where its working now, i.e advised me to blacklist amdgpu, but told me might be a fix later on
[19:00] <sruli> a fix for amdgpu
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | ioria again :p
[19:00] <sruli> ^ 100%
[19:01] <pjs> I installed Ubuntu Desktop and don't run gnome, or gdm, .. how can I uninstall gnome? Just a simple apt uninstall? It shouldn't create any issues right? I'm tired of all these snap mounts
[19:01] <sruli> lotus|NUC also deserves a cookie for trying
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> tnx sruli
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> pjs: to get rid os the snappy system, better remove all of snapd?
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> *of
[19:02] <sruli> lotuspsychje: are u lotus|NUC ?
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> sruli: yes
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> sruli: thats my desktop
[19:03] <sruli> !cookie | lotuspsychje thanks you got ioria in the conversation (and spent alot of time yourself)
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> np
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> sruli: would be interesting to compare with a liveusb 18.04, see wich driver it picks for your card
[19:04] <sruli> lotuspsychje: will try later tonight when i am home and report tomorrow
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> ok
[19:05] <sruli> lotuspsychje: how would i check? lshw -c video ?
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> sruli: with sudo yes
[19:05] <sruli> ok
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> pjs: wich Desktop will you be running?
[19:07] <sruli> lotuspsychje: regarding ubuntu-desktop, although it was and still is gnome, the only difference i saw so far from a picture is the background, now it has the ubuntu 18.04 background
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> sruli: there's a lot of changes since ubuntu-gnome 16.04
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> sruli: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[19:08] <sruli> lotuspsychje: no, it was 18.04 before the issue, upgraded a month ago, but ubuntu-desktop wasnt installed
[19:09] <sruli> lotuspsychje: if you remember you were puzzeled as to why its not installed
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> sruli: still a mystery to me aswell
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> sruli: you should perhaps ask in #ubuntu-gnome if other 16.04 upgrades to bionic resulted like this
[19:12] <sruli> lotuspsychje: the only explanation i can think of is that it was ubuntu-gnome 16.04, truth is i wondered how the upgrade will work from "ubuntu gnome <flavour>" to ubuntu gnome <default>
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> sruli: ubuntu gnome does no longer exist, after 16.04
[19:13] <sruli> lotuspsychje: it does, its just called ubuntu ;-)
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> sruli: hence why i dont understand why it didnt install ubuntu-desktop
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> sruli: but its solved a bit now
[19:15] <sruli> lotuspsychje: its working which is the most important thing, thanks
[19:24] <anvil_> hi please help my computer is spinning the fans really loud every like 3 seconds and it's annoying
[19:24] <relipse> I have ubuntu in a VM but I need to access my host computer from my VM. I tried using 10.0.2.2 but that does not seem to be working
[19:24] <anvil_> i just built this machine and installed 18.10 on it
[19:24] <anvil_> it goes like "VRRRRR" and then it's quiet and then "WRRRRR" again, forever
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> relipse: Need more details... also, support for VM products should be asked in the VM's support channels, not here
[19:25] <relipse> does anyone know how to access my host computer from wtihin my VM?
[19:25] <tomtom-> anvil_: does it happen in the bios as well? or maybe on the boot loader? or if you boot a livecd?
[19:25] <anvil_> tomtom-, in the bios it's quit
[19:26] <anvil_> bootloader the fans spin up but that's because it's booting
[19:26] <anvil_> it happens when i enter my password for the encrypted drive and all throughout the boot process
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> anvil_: did you vacuum your fans?
[19:27] <fooobarrr> did you look at the resource monitor? is there a process that utilizes 100% periodically?
[19:27] <anvil_> lotuspsychje, i just built this computer
[19:27] <anvil_> and my cores are at 18 celsius according to sensors (wtf?)
[19:27] <fooobarrr> thats's normal
[19:28] <fooobarrr> 18C could be right if its not doing much
[19:28] <anvil_> i've never seen a cpu be that *cold*
[19:28] <fooobarrr> unless your room is higher than 18c
[19:28] <anvil_> it's winter so it probably is that
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> anvil_: whats the relation with ubuntu exactly
[19:28] <anvil_> lotuspsychje, i think i need to set up acpi fan control
[19:28] <anvil_> or install some weird drivers
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> anvil_: you can test lm-sensors and cpufreq
[19:30] <fooobarrr> the motherboard is probably controlling system fans
[19:32] <anvil_> nvm, fancontrol service was deactivated for some reason
[19:34] <fooobarrr> lol
[19:36] <anvil_> okay here's why
[19:36] <anvil_> my fancontrol config file is mangled
[19:37] <anvil_> and pwmconfig isn't really helping
[19:37] <anvil_> only option it gives me is to change INTERVAL
[19:38] <anvil_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4FNvPgYZwV/
[19:44] <anvil_> im gonna check for weird bios settings
[19:55] <Bluecoat> Anyone know why /sys/kernel/debug/usb/devices gets "operation not permitted" when I try to access it as root?
[20:00] <fooobarrr> its not readable?
[20:10] <TJ-> Bluecoat: how are you accessing it?
[20:29] <ioria> TJ-,  have a sec ?  ubuntu server 16.04 32-bit MBR (no efi) kernel 4.4.0.138.144   fully updated ; no way to make recovery-menu  show up; it just boots with  recovery nomodeset parameters ; do you know something ?  latest updates : friendly-recovery; whiptail and ubuntu-minimal
[20:54] <klu3> theoretically speaking, is it possible for a hacker to put virus on a hdd or thumb drive and it cant be remove via disk reformat ?
[20:55] <klu3> like you know how gparted detects all partition on a hdd and you can choose to reformat that to clean it
[20:55] <leftyfb> klu3: That's not an ubuntu support question. Maybe try #security
[20:55] <leftyfb> klu3: The quick answer is not really, no
[20:58] <ryuo> klu3: unlikely but not impossible. there's ways to make persistent malware.
[20:58] <leftyfb> ryuo: not on a hard drive
[20:59] <leftyfb> Not unless they've compromised the firmware. Regardless, not a support issue here.
[20:59] <ryuo> leftyfb: if they hacked the drive firmware, maybe so.
[20:59] <ryuo> but i was just giving them a brief summary.
[21:01] <klu3> thanks for the replies guys, i went to the #security channel and getting answers there
[21:44] <f3bruary> I'm coming from Debian to Ubuntu 18.04. When I hook up my external monitor (an old 1080p LG 22"), I often see jitter (super thin black bars popping up), and every now and then I lose signal completely for a second.
[21:44] <f3bruary> using internal gfx (intel)
[21:45] <TJ-> f3bruary: sounds like a physical connection issue
[21:45] <f3bruary> but it only started after I switched from debian to ubuntu
[21:45] <f3bruary> never seen this before
[21:47] <f3bruary> it's the Intel Graphics 4000
[21:49] <en1gma> is there a channel specific for ubuntu live?
[21:49] <coventry> I upgraded a virtualbox from ubuntu 17.10 to 18.04, and on reboot the X server doesn't start. Any suggestions for how to fix this (other than to go back in time and admonish myself to snapshot before upgrading?)
[21:50] <TJ-> f3bruary: without seeing it, it is hard to judge. Anything in the kernel log, or Xorg logs, to indicate problems?
[21:50] <elias_a> en1gma: I don't think so. Ask here.
[21:50] <en1gma> is there a way to make ubuntu persistent so it boots automatically to command line and skips gui?
[21:50] <elias_a> en1gma: Live version booted from a USB stick?
[21:51] <TJ-> en1gma: those are 2 different things; do you want a persistent liveISO, or an installed system that only boots to console?
[21:51] <en1gma> this is the command to use in a full install to hard drive 'systemctl set-default multi-user.target'
[21:51] <en1gma> i would prefer an installed system to my usb stick
[21:51] <en1gma> that only boots to command line
[21:51] <en1gma> through ssh
[21:51] <en1gma> :)
[21:52] <en1gma> over wifi
[21:52] <elias_a> en1gma: I raise my hands. I surrender. :)
[21:52] <elias_a> Booting over wifi through ssh is the hard part.
[21:53] <TJ-> that sentence doesn't even make sense :s
[21:53] <TJ-> how does one 'boot over wifi through ssh' ?
[21:56] <elias_a> TJ-: Actually it does.
[21:57] <elias_a> TJ-: LTSP clients can be booted over wlan and also using SSH tunnel.
[21:57] <elias_a> But in order to do that one has to do some serious modifications to boot procedure.
[21:59] <bdonnahue> hey guys, i am trying to port an install script from ubuntu to centos. There is a line which says I need to install the LTS version of nodejs. What version is this? how can i figure it out?
[22:00] <en1gma> yea i basically would like a headless computer with wifi and ssh working. no need for gui
[22:00] <en1gma> almost like i do with my rpi3
[22:00] <TJ-> elias_a: I don't think so; LTSP uses standard PXE (net) boot (DHCP/BOOTP+TFTP) to transfer the kernel and initrd. the thin client may establish an SSH tunnel later for the terminal server connection itself
[22:01] <TJ-> en1gma: that's a pretty regular 'server' installation you are describing
[22:01] <en1gma> i think i just need to use i386 desktop image and stop it from booting to gui. then my system will have enough ram to run in a command line enviroment
[22:01] <en1gma> server i been trying but it always gets stuck. not sure what im doing wrong
[22:02] <TJ-> en1gma: install the ubuntu-server, then add network-manager to make setting up the WiFi easy (you can use the 'nmtui' (text user interface) to configure the WiFi connection)
[22:03] <en1gma> TJ you gonna be around for a bit?
[22:03] <TJ-> en1gma: install 'openssh-server' and you're sorted
[22:03] <en1gma> ill give it a try but i always get stuck somewhere i forget
[22:03] <en1gma> i think i have the image already
[22:04] <TJ-> en1gma: as long as you have console access during installation (keyboard + video) then it should be straight-forward - this assumes the WiFi chipset isn't something like Broadcom though!
[22:05] <elias_a> TJ-: It is quite doable. Seen this done.
[22:05] <en1gma> writing ubuntu server i386 to usb stick right now
[22:06] <en1gma> i think where i have problem is with the pxe. its trying to do something with that (if i remember correct). is there a way to disable that
[22:07] <TJ-> en1gma: PXE is controlled from the PC's firmware setup
[22:07] <en1gma> so i need to disable that in my bios?
[22:08] <TJ-> en1gma: that, or change the boot order so the network device is last, and the USB, CD/DVD, and fixed HD are before it
[22:09] <coventry> I'd welcome any suggestions for help, here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1090338/x-server-doesnt-start-after-upgrading-vbox-lubuntu-17-10-to-18-04/
[22:10] <TJ-> en1gma: I'm eager to see some description of that; PXE doesn't support SSH so there's no way to fetch the kernel over an SSH connection
[22:10] <en1gma> oh yea. i remember now. it wont complete the installer. i keep getting a big red error message during "Load installer components from CD"
[22:11] <en1gma> failed "loading apt-cdrom-setup" unknown reasons
[22:11] <TJ-> en1gma: have you used the "check CD" option of the installer boot menu to ensure there is no corruption in the image?
[22:12] <en1gma> im doing that as we speak
[22:13] <en1gma> 16% so far
[22:13] <elias_a> en1gma: do you want to have a thin client or a complete system installed on you system/USB?
[22:15] <en1gma> i would like to have a complete system installed less the gui
[22:15] <en1gma> btw integrity check = successful
[22:16] <en1gma> i wonder if the server requires more then 256MB ram
[22:16] <en1gma> i also have to select 32MB for agp zise in bios. i could go more but i select the lowest number
[22:18] <elias_a> en1gma: Ok. I misunderstood your goal.
[22:19] <elias_a> en1gma: 256 MB of RAM is such a low figure that it can be really challenging to get any present Linux distro to run on that, headless or not.
[22:19] <f3bruary> TJ-: I think I fixed it by setting the monitor's profile from 59.99hz to 60hz
[22:19] <f3bruary> colors also look much better now
[22:22] <TJ-> f3bruary: that sounds familiar; where did you make the change?
[22:22] <en1gma> yea its low but i think that meets the min supported requirements
[22:23] <TJ-> en1gma: 256MB RAM is probably causing problems for the debian-installer when copying from the install media, but I'd have thought it should work. I can test in a VM. Which ubuntu release are you installing, 16.04 or 18.04 ?
[22:25] <IniGit> hi
[22:26] <IniGit> can somebody tell me if the following is a bug or if I understand something wrong:
[22:26] <IniGit> $ ls -l dir
[22:26] <IniGit> total 0
[22:26] <IniGit> -rw-r--r-- 1 gernot gernot 0 Nov  5 23:21 file
[22:26] <IniGit> $ chmod u-w dir
[22:26] <IniGit> $ ls -l dir
[22:26] <IniGit> total 0
[22:27] <hggdh> IniGit: not a bug. Directories should have eXecute access
[22:28] <hggdh> IniGit: you should be able to send messages in a few
[22:28] <hggdh> now, for example :-)
[22:28] <IniGit> Why does something change in the UI but not in the terminal? What has actually changed when I execute the chmod command
[22:30] <hggdh> IniGit: your chmod gave (if it did not have it already) Write permission to the owner of 'dir'. But you are still probably missing the execute permission as well
[22:30] <IniGit> hggdh: What does that mean: "you should be able to send messages in a few" ?
[22:30] <hggdh> IniGit: because you were muted for sending too many lines in sequence to the channel
[22:30] <IniGit> -u means remove write permission
[22:31] <hggdh> oh, yes indeed
[22:31] <IniGit> hggdh: ok sry and thx
[22:31] <hggdh> IniGit: run ls -l | grep dir
[22:33] <IniGit> why does it show correnctly with | grep dir and not without it?
[22:33] <IniGit> wait
[22:33] <hggdh> IniGit: I do not know. Please post the output of it
[22:33] <IniGit> ohh I made a mistake
[22:34] <IniGit> I understand it now. thank you
[22:34] <hggdh> yw
[22:36] <IniGit> what is the best backup program for making automated encrypted backups to the cloud/ftp under Ubuntu? Is duplicity a good option or is tehre a better one?
[22:36] <f3bruary> TJ-: in the display settings
[22:36] <TJ-> f3bruary: ahh, in software - thought you meant on the monitor :)
[22:38] <f3bruary> no, in software indeed. the difference 0.01hz can make lol
[22:39] <TJ-> f3bruary: I'm surprised the because if you check "xrandr -q" does it show the monitor's EDID reports 59.99 being the preferred frequency?
[23:13] <Schnabeltierchen> Hi guys, i´m a big noob, i´ve installed ubuntu 18.04.01 to my Lenovo miix 320 10irc, the iio-sensor-proxy makes the monitor sensor think normal and right-up are swtiched. can someone point me to a direction where i can find a tutorial about this?
[23:15] <HipHop-openbox> Got ur own paste bin
[23:19] <guideX> how do you choose which version of php you're using in your apache
[23:19] <guideX> I have two of them installed, but I want to use the older one
[23:31] <eletious> Hey, I'm not sure what I did but I seem to have broken my Ubuntu installation (using MATE) - it's got autologin, but when it tries to start mate I get "could not acquire name on session bus"
[23:32] <eletious> I did some googling and found pretty much everyone saw that when using XRDP - does Virtualbox use this (or something similar) to display heads on VMs?
[23:40] <HipHop-openbox> https://www.quora.com/How-does-VirtualBox-work
[23:43] <eletious> HipHop-openbox: i appreciate the sentiment, however this does not appear to explain Display virtualization, which is where I'm having problems (I think)
[23:48] <qwebirc59893> Hi. Anybody else have any issues with 18.04 suspending when switching users?
[23:54] <eletious> one thing I noticed is that in XSession_errors, I see WARNING: failed to acquire org.gnome.SessionManager
[23:54] <eletious> Directly before that, dbus-update-activation-environment attempts to set the value of an underscore, which is most likely the problem, though I have no idea how the hell it'd happen
[23:55] <eletious> After that, .xsession-errors is just issues with null pointers because dbus exploded
[23:56] <eletious> Does anyone have ideas on what I can do to fix this?