[18:32] <Unlimiter> Hello! How can I help improve some vocabulary and fix words in "https://manual.lubuntu.me"?
[18:33] <wxl> hey Unlimiter you most certainly can help. we've been working on documentation on that. let me see if we've got that set up
[18:34] <wxl> ok doesn't look like we do
[18:35] <Unlimiter> why?
[18:35] <wxl> been too busy with everything else :)
[18:35] <wxl> but i can point you in the right direction
[18:35] <Unlimiter> please go ahead
[18:35] <wxl> oh no wait
[18:36] <wxl> we do! yay!
[18:36] <Unlimiter> :D
[18:36] <wxl> it's in the code base
[18:36] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-manual/browse/master/CONTRIBUTING.md
[18:36] <Unlimiter> Nice, thanks
[18:36] <Unlimiter> I'll start fixing now
[18:37] <wxl> if you have any other questions, i'd ask at #lubuntu-devel
[18:37] <wxl> there's a few other contributors there
[18:37] <wxl> as well as lynorian who is the Documentation Lead
[18:37] <Unlimiter> got it
[18:38] <lynorian> yay more people to edit
[18:39] <Unlimiter> But I don't have Linux on my PC
[18:39] <Unlimiter> I guess I'll wait until I install Lubuntu
[18:39] <wxl> actually this will look a lot better https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-manual/browse/master/CONTRIBUTING.md?as=remarkup
[18:39] <wxl> you can install it in a virtual machine
[18:39] <wxl> the other thing you can do is actually create patches and mail them as shown at the bottom of that instructions
[18:40] <wxl> of course you got to know how to create patches
[18:40] <wxl> if you're familiar with git, it shouldn't be too difficult
[18:40] <Unlimiter> yup
[18:40] <wxl> still you'll need to use git and shs
[18:40] <wxl> ssh that is
[18:41] <Unlimiter> Did I say that I LOVE Lubuntu, because i do!
[18:41] <Unlimiter> I read the whole manual
[18:41] <wxl> glad to hear it :)
[18:41] <Unlimiter> It's amazing
[18:42] <lynorian> I am really glad to hear it
[18:42] <kran> Hi guys. Trying to install from a USB drive a Lubuntu install ISO put there via YUMI. Boots fine, I connect to wifi, select partition to replace, and I get "installation failed bad source source=/cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs"
[18:43] <wxl> kran: did you check the hashes and at the boot screen check the image for defects?
[18:43] <kran> This is being installed beside a Win7 installation already there. I checked the checksum of the ISO I downloaded and even removed and rewrote it to the USB drive, same result.
[18:43] <kran> wxl how do I check the image for defects?
[18:43] <wxl> at the boot screen, select "check disc for defects" isntead of the default "start lubuntu"
[18:44] <kran> checking now
[18:45] <kran> wxl it flashed some acpi errors, lubuntu splash, then rebooted again
[18:45] <wxl> that doesn't sound right
[18:45] <wxl> it should end with a "no errors found, press any key to reboot" underneath the splash
[18:45] <wxl> and then it waits
[18:45] <wxl> it does not reboot itself
[18:46] <kran> wxl just did it again. back to YUMI multiboot screen
[18:46] <wxl> sounds like a copy error
[18:47] <kran> wxl it's a USB drive that has numerous systems that has been successfully used various times. Should I try another USB drive? Is there a netinstall solution since I have wifi?
[18:47] <kran> I want the latest 64-bit Lubuntu
[18:47] <wxl> having other systems on there might be problematic
[18:48] <kran> wxl you mean with YUMI?
[18:48]  * wxl shrugs
[18:48] <wxl> we don't test with yumi and i know nothing about it
[18:49] <kran> wxl what's the official way to put the ISO on a USB drive so I can install it?
[18:49] <kran> wxl even better: is there a way to do it over wifi?
[18:49] <wxl> what i do know is if the image on the usb doesn't match, bit for bit, the official image, there's a high likelihood of all sorts of problems
[18:50] <wxl> theoretically, you could use the mini.iso, but if you're having problems with images, you'll probably continue to have problems with images
[18:50] <wxl> here's a bunch of advice on the subject https://manual.lubuntu.me/1/1.2/booting_the_image.html
[18:51] <wxl> my personal opinion is that the linux command dd is the absolute most reliable methodology, but also the most dangerous
[18:51] <wxl> i have never ever had a failure with dd, but have seen problems with nearly every other tool i've used
[18:52] <kran> wxl OK looks like they use Rufus
[18:52] <wxl> mkusb is nice because it's ultimately a front end for dd
[18:53] <kran> wxl Rufus is asking ISO or DD. Which one?
[18:53] <wxl> i don't do windows, bub
 @kran [<kran> wxl Rufus is asking ISO or DD. Which one?], Try the default (don't remember which ist) If it doesn't work try the other
[18:54] <kran> lubot OK
[18:55] <wxl> lubot is a bridge to Telegram. it's @HMollerCl chatting at you kran
[18:55] <kran> HMollercl don't know what that means, but OK
 @kran [<kran> HMollercl don't know what that means, but OK], My 'name' in telegram
 I'm on telegram, not irc
[18:56] <kran> I don't know what telegram is, other than that form of communication used decades ago.
[18:58] <wxl> let's put it to you this way: lubot relays message from a different communication platform
[18:58] <wxl> lubot is a piece of software
[18:58] <wxl> and for your education https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg=https%3A%2F%2Ftelegram.org%2F
[19:01] <kran> seems to be working now. I guess YUMI is incompatible
[19:02] <kran> wxl is Lubuntu the best lightweight system as far as being able to get support and not stressing the system too much?
[19:03] <wxl> kran: lubuntu is built to strike a balance between streamlined and usable. if it's light in exclusion to function, that's not good. if it's got too much function than necessary, that's not good.
[19:03] <kran> wxl I've had luck with Lubuntu on laptops. Putting it on an i5 desktop now.
[20:17] <eyun89> Hi there, I am a first time linux user and decided to use Lubuntu. I love the user interface and want to keep using it but the installation process is very confusing to me. I installed it on my hard drive using a usb boot. I got installed rEFInd and I see a "Boot EFI\ubunut\grubx64.efi" and "Boot boot\vmlinz-4.18.0-10-generic", I can only get to Lubuntu with the "boot\vmlinz.." which is the second option
[20:17] <eyun89> of the rEFInd window. Should the "Boot EFI\ubuntu.." be working or should I find a way to change the  rEFInd default boot option. I'm having a hard time understanding the situation. Thanks in advanced.
[20:23]  * lynorian has never used REFInd so I wish I could help 
[20:23] <lynorian> although with booting off usb you don't want it not to boot without the USB in
[20:24] <lynorian> wasn't rEFInd for apple hardware
[20:25] <eyun89> Thank you for your response. Yeah so I tried install linux on my older macbook and it was not booting after installing in on the computer so through forums I found rEFInd. I'm still new to this so I don't know my ways around getting this to work
[20:25] <lynorian> eyun89: are you asking how to make lubuntu first in the boot order right?
[20:27] <eyun89> Sort of. I no longer have macOS installed and only have those two options: "EFI" and "vmlinz". "vmlinz" is in the second order and that is the one that will boot properly. The EFI just shows a blank screen.
[20:28] <eyun89> I read somewhere that the EFI is responsible for the boot but that is not the case for me. I'm also trying to understand the difference between those two I guess.
[20:41] <kran> Lubuntu: I use a GPU that has SPDIF in headers to mix audio into the HDMI port. 2 headers are wired from the GPU pins to the motherboard pins. I tested this in a Win7 install on this system and it works fine, but lubuntu has no audio out.
[20:42] <kran> I know it's not the hardware or installation, since it works in Windows 7 on this very same machine.
[20:43] <lynorian> kran: https://manual.lubuntu.me/2/2.5/2.5.2/pulseaudio_volume_control.html does this help you at all?
[20:43] <lynorian> you would need to select that as the output source
[20:44] <lynorian> kran: or does your SPDIF not show up at all?
[20:44] <kran> lynorian i only see Digital Output (S/PDIF) where it says port.
[20:44] <lynorian> have you tried that S/PDIF output and is not showing up there?
[20:45]  * lynorian wonders if this might be a driver issue
[20:45] <kran> lynorian it has always been selected, being the only option.
[20:45] <lynorian> kran: and you are getting no sound?
[20:45] <kran> lynorian i think it's a zotac 9500GT in there
[20:48] <lynorian> kran make sure it is not muted anywhere?
[20:48] <kran> lynorian yes
[20:48] <kran> lynorian maybe i need to reinstall a driver?
[20:49] <kran> lynorian it is an old GPU. perhaps reinstalling will help? how would I do that?
[20:49] <kran> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/how-to-install-a-nvidia-geforce-9500gt-673780/
[20:49] <kran> "Uninstall all the nvidia drivers and then install envy-ng"
[20:51] <lynorian> kran: unfortanelty there is no package by that name in the repos for 18.10 at least
[20:51] <lynorian> what version are you on?
[20:52] <kran> of?
[20:52] <lynorian> lubuntu
[20:52] <kran> 18.10 64bit, downloaded it today
[20:53] <lynorian> kran: have you not installed proprietary nvidia drivers
[20:53] <kran> havent installed much of anything yet
[20:53] <lynorian> althouhg I am not sure 9500 GT is supported still
[20:54] <kran> lynorian worth a shot. what is the command?
[20:54] <lynorian> try lsmod |grep nvidia
[20:54] <lynorian> if it returns nothing then you are not
[20:55] <kran> returns nothing
[20:56] <kran> so what do I do?
[20:57] <lynorian> kran you don't have any motherboard audio outputs on the back of your machine?
[20:57] <kran> lynorian yes I do, but I need the HDMI to work, too.
[21:04] <lynorian> kran I haven't quite figured out this solution and looks like nvidia might have had a proprietary driver but the company does not have a version of that driver that works with Lubuntu 18.10 :(
[21:04] <lynorian> and since it is proprietary we can't really fix it or maintain it ourselves
[21:05] <lynorian> https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/137276/en-us
[21:06] <kran> that doesn't list my hardware. this does: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/78469/en-us
[21:06] <kran> Any way to get that 340 installed on linux?>
[21:06] <kran> They do give a .run file.
[21:07] <lynorian> kran 340 will almost surely not work with 18.10
[21:08] <kran> lynorian, so my only option is to get a lubuntu that's 8-10 years old or using Windows?
[21:10] <wxl> !info nvidia-340 cosmic
[21:10] <wxl> is that not it?
[21:10] <lynorian> oh wow there is nvidia 340 thanks wxl
[21:10] <wxl> np
 Do not install the driver from the Nvidia site, but take the one from the Ubuntu repos
[21:11] <lynorian> yeah always use repos
[21:11] <kran> so what do I do sudo apt-get install nvidia-340?
[21:11] <wxl> i don't really mess with proprietary drivers too much, so i'm not a great resource with these sorts of things but there you go
[21:11] <lynorian> I was looking there to get the supported list of devices
[21:11] <wxl> there is a tool to just deal with proprietary drivers
[21:12] <wxl> we probably should add that to the software section of the manual
[21:12] <kran> wxl don't hold me in suspense
[21:13] <wxl> you didn't read my earlier comment did you?
 For the EFI question: please open a terminal and post the output of ‚sudo efibootmgr - v‘
[21:13] <kran> wxl which one? you said there's a tool to deal with these drivers. didn't say what tool
[21:14] <wxl> no, what i said was i don't deal with proprietary drivers much so i'm not a great resource
[21:15] <wxl> the `ubuntu-drivers` command should do the trick
[21:15] <wxl> `ubuntu-drivers devices` looks like it will give you a list of the devices you have that require proprietary drivers, and which packages provide those, and where they come from
[21:17] <kran> sudo apt-get install nvidia-340 + reboot did the trick
[21:18] <kran> it's working now, thanks