[00:03] when all attributes, permissions and symbolic links are preserved i guess so [00:03] but how do you want to restore? to a partitioned disk with empty filesystem? [00:04] fassl, If I ever restore it'll be to the internal hard disk, after it has been wiped and repartitioned, yes [00:06] ok then just be sure to copy all that meta as well, should work, but don't take my word for it [00:08] maybe you need to patch partition ids if any in fstab or something afterwards [00:12] is there an altnerate gui for managing users than users-admin? [00:22] hello [00:24] is there a way to track packages installed by apt? lets say I started a project that installs a bunch of packages in my system, how would I get rid of it all? [00:25] foobar1: you can look at the apt/dpkg logs under /var/log/apt [00:26] foobar1: but it will be a manual pain... [00:26] hggdh: ugh thats a lot to parse [00:26] var/log/apt/history.log [00:27] I could go with a virtualization solution [00:28] foobar1: well, yes, you could fire up a container/VM to do this type of work; then all you would have to do is destroy it === capella]Lurks is now known as capella [00:45] hggdh: any recomendations for the most lightwieght container solution [00:58] heya.. I upgraded 18.04 to 18.10 *lubuntu) and got lxqt? Anyway, this is about libvirtd, I don't know if it was due to upgrad,e or something else, as it happened some time last week.. but when I try to run a windows kvm machine, I get a RIP kernel error it seems and libvirtd hangs or so. journalctl entry is: http://termbin.com/doai [00:59] I can run the exported domxml in another linux host, and runs, although I have some less perfomance issues in a different host, so I would prefer running it on my ubuntu. [01:00] actually connecting to the qemu:///system seemed ot hang, although seemed to be from removed storages (when removing pool-list entries) it now connects but ye.. vm won't fire up, (unless I leave on for very long, and during a reboot) it sometimes seems to have started. :/ [01:01] hello, . sir /madam [01:02] hello.. not sure if you are replying or just saying hello :) [01:02] malina: hello madam [01:02] hello again [01:04] i read your post and i can not give you suggestion, since i am noob in ubuntu, malina [01:04] ya no worries. I was looking for a reply from someone who could :) [01:05] it seems to be a kernel issue; I also had some kernel upgrades at same point so don't know which one could be an issue, but ye.. ah well. [01:06] kernel .. hrreem, .. im learning what to tweak in kernel to make ubuntu run youtube without lag in firefox fullscreen, [01:08] I thought that was an issue one solved 1.5 yrs ago. I am not sure it's a kernel tweak, it had more to do with the graphics acceleration and/or fireflox flags (chromium also had some issues I think). [01:09] but ye, it's been a while, I forget what was the solution. :) [01:09] I have 2-300 firefox tabs open atm in lubuntu and works fine though [01:10] you sure you are not on some old laptop gpu? ,) [01:10] same as me, i did twak twik twak twik, then ended up in not knowing what i did [01:11] well I guess I can purge libvirtd after exporting domxml's and see if that helps. else I suppose I will try again in a few days. [01:11] i am sure my laptop is new, only around 11 years, with intel celeron 1,73ghz single core, my lp dont have vga card, only intel graphics integrated, yet it can play full screen when i ran in win 7 . malina [01:12] I have 2-300 firefox tabs open . ~ gonna made my hdd led blinking forever without being able to interrupted. until i press power off button [01:14] sometimes i felt ubuntu sucks,. but i like it, because it has no annoying virus notifications, and blah' like in windows [01:15] i just dont know how to make it run as fast as win 7 with 32gb readyboost [01:17] malina: did you learn improve ubuntu from scratch? [01:18] malina: i mean improve speed === patr0clus is now known as s3nd1v0g1us === pwater is now known as piercedwater [02:16] having an odd issue. i have an exfat formatted 5 TB drive. i copied a 401M folder from ubuntu (/home/ubuntu) to the 5 TB drive, but du -sh on the 5 TB drive shows 4.5G. anyone know why that would be? [02:42] Hi. I've seen now software updates: https://imgur.com/a/QeTaXfD what's that? software updates now auto remove old kernels? === NickG365_ is now known as NickG365 [02:46] hey, i'm using an nvidia gtx 1060 and all i see on the monitor is garbled blue lines and a mouse cursor [02:46] i have a monitor hooked to my onboard graphics which displays fine but both are laggy [02:49] is my graphics card broken? [02:49] have i done something wrong with nouveau? [02:52] i'm gonna reseat my gpu for the 17 millionth time [02:53] anvil_ Have you set something in BIOS about gtx 1060? [02:54] no [02:54] i reset the cmos [02:54] Quick question, if I run a bash script within another script where I have it doing "./bash_script.sh &> /dev/null", is there a reason it still outputs to the screen? [02:54] anvil_ that's the problem [02:54] std-rr doesn't get piped [02:54] stderr* [02:55] Doesn't &> redirect both output and error? [02:55] maybe it's seeing the & as a concurrency thing [02:56] Anything else that could be recommended? I tried ./bash_script.sh > /dev/null 2>&1 as well. [02:56] Basically the same thing. But no idea how I could just make it wait until it completes, without seeing anything on my screen. [02:56] Maybe I'll try nohup? Can't think of anything else. [02:56] anvil_ when yiu boot frim gtx you see ubuntu splash screen? [02:57] *you boot from [02:57] th34lch3m1st, i see the splash screen on my integrated gfx but that's because my motherboard uses integrated by default [02:58] i enter my encrypted drive password on the gtx though [02:58] i'm not sure why [02:58] VirtualBox users - time to patch and check your config TONIGHT [02:58] https://github.com/MorteNoir1/virtualbox_e1000_0day/blob/master/README.md [02:59] anvil_ and your external graphic card doesn't work, right? [02:59] external graphic card? you mean the gtx? [02:59] i don't know, maybe it's fried. but i can't use it on the desktop [03:01] Alpha-Omega: try ./bash_script.sh > dev/null 2>&1 [03:02] okay, rebooting and i see my motherboard splash screen [03:02] i'm in my bios what do i do [03:04] th34lch3m1st, ubuntu is starting up [03:04] password and splash screen are on gtx [03:05] anvil_ Sorry I misunderstood. I thought that you had two graphics. [03:05] hggdh: Tried that as well, no cigar, [03:06] Alpha-Omega: &>/dev/null is equivalent to >/dev/null 2>&1. So... you have to look at the script, and see what it is doing [03:08] anvil_ How many GPU di yiu have on that pc? [03:08] *do you [03:08] th34lch3m1st, the onboard one and the GTX [03:08] https://i.imgur.com/c2VpYp1.jpg [03:08] this is what i see on my GTX [03:09] sorry for bad image quality, i only have an old thinkpad webcam :/ [03:09] anvil_ your GTX is on PCIe bus? [03:09] yes [03:10] hggdh: Yes, very weird. Surprised it gets around my redirection. [03:11] anvil_ then you have to tell your BIOS to first initialize PCIe graphics instead of the on-board GPU. [03:11] okay, i'll do that [03:12] i don't see how one leads to the other though [03:12] anvil_ check motherboard manual [03:13] i know how to configure it, i'm just saying [03:13] I even tried nohup, and it ignore dit. [03:14] it doesn't make sense why that would be a solution to the problem [03:14] i'm enabling offboard gfx priority in the bios [03:15] anvil_ good [03:15] my computer just turned off [03:16] in the middle of booting [03:16] oof [03:16] anvil_ that's right [03:16] "iKVM doesn't support add-on VGA device" [03:17] anvil_ hardware problem? [03:17] it's still booting, it just says that. i think it's what i get for using a cheap taobao server motherboard [03:18] anvil_ is nos boiting on PCIe GTX 1060? [03:18] *now booting [03:18] the splash screen still shows on the onboard graphics [03:19] motherboard splash, not ubuntu splash [03:19] ubuntu splash is on the gtx [03:19] oh my god, it's working [03:19] thanks [03:19] that was weird, i thought my card was broken [03:20] anvil_ I told you dude, hardware problem [03:23] anvil_ That's what happend when you build your own pc and you don't know what you are doing... [03:31] th34lch3m1st: That's what happend when you build your own pc and you don't know what you are doing... ~ it's me. [03:32] but i didnt build pc, only installing ubuntu changing from windows os [03:37] adikwok you are anvil_ ? [03:38] adikwok are you the former anvil_ ? [03:40] hi [03:40] i building a docker image [03:40] and see some issues like: [03:40] https://ideone.com/WAbFfh [03:41] how can i fix that error? [03:41] adikwok if you have just changed OS than who changed your BIOS settings? Me? [03:42] th34lch3m1st: ;) [03:42] i see: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! libgnutls-openssl27 ssmtp [03:42] what to do? [03:42] th34lch3m1st: i am not former anvil_ . i am adi kwok, sir [03:42] sudo apt-key update ? [03:44] adikwok so why you quote and replay to my conversation with anvil_? [03:45] *reply [03:45] th34lch3m1st: just to describe what im facing now, [03:45] adikwok recap please [03:45] th34lch3m1st: i installed ubuntu, but dont know yet how to make it as fast as win 7 [03:47] th34lch3m1st: i used to use dual boot win 7 ubuntu, then now its only ubuntu left, yet i am looking for the way to make ubuntu running as fast as win 7 with readyboost 32gb. but hadn't found it. [03:48] th34lch3m1st: that is my *reply, sir. [03:50] adikwok so you want a Windows technology that not exist on linux world to works on ubuntu. Am I right? [03:56] adikwok the solution here is buy 10$ RAM. It's not a Ubuntu software problem (that is this channel argument), Sir. === dingir___ is now known as dingir [04:07] there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf in ubuntu 18.04 gnome, and second monitor is not getting recognized .. [04:07] with proper resolution [04:11] Help. I'm using xbubntu I forgot my password so I followed a guide to change it. I was able to log in but then I had keyring issues. I followed another guide but that made things worse. I enter my password and it brings me back to the same screen on the GUI. I am, able to log in in terminal though. I created another user and that is letting me log in on the GUI and that's hpw I am here === fishfox__ is now known as fishfox_ [04:16] i get the message: Warning: 'apt-key update' is deprecated and should not be used anymore! what is it replace with?? [04:18] doing a reverse ssh and have done it many times but on a few systems the 'remote' is not connecting up correctly.... here is a DEBUG3.... does anyone see any problems? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nMC3kjYxMk/ [04:31] what is a epub reader for ubuntu [04:33] Can I ask a question about TAILS OS on here? I cannot get help anywhere else. [04:37] does deboostrap base install not have sudo? [04:38] Does anyone know where I can find TAILS OS help? [04:38] arthur98765: mailing list probs [04:40] Sorry, I don't know what you mean. [04:40] arthur98765: Or #tails on the OFTC network. [04:40] how is it possible to view add ppa? [04:40] added ppa's [04:40] How do I get to the OFTC network? I am currently using Hexchat. [04:41] pi0: system settings -> software and updates [04:43] anyone know the name of the ubutu repositories website? [04:43] ah nice [04:44] lone_ranger: https://packages.ubuntu.com/ [04:47] Kon-: no not that the one that makes a sources list for you [04:48] Seems I need to register my name on OFTC just in order to get Tails OS help. [04:48] yeah probs to avoid spammers [05:25] If I have a USB flashdrive that has a bootable copy of Mac OSX Snow Leopard, if I use the 'dd' command in linux and create a copy of the entire device as a .img file, can I restore that .img file to the same flash drive and have it identical to the way it was before? [05:53] Hi, I tried checking the wmi events in my firmware following this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/WMI but I got an ACPI Error : AE_NOT_FOUND when running the firmware tests. Logs here - https://pastebin.com/aY6ngxzh . Could anyone throw any light on this? [05:57] why can't I start vimtutor on ubuntu? [05:58] it opens /tmp/tutorCf44a7 when I type "vimtutor" in a terminal [05:59] @Barabacha maybe 'sudo apt purge vimtutor' 'sudo apt install vimtutor'? [05:59] Barabacha, from the `man` page, "Vimtutor starts the Vim tutor. It copies the tutor file first, so that it can be modified without changing the original file." [06:00] the file you're seeing will be that copy, so if you make changes as you learn, you're not changing the original file [06:00] the file is empty though [06:01] I did "sudo apt install vim" and it works now [06:01] but I had vim installed before with the system [06:09] Miar: cant find much related bugs on it, consider making a new !bug ? [06:11] lotuspsychje: A bug attributed to the linux kernel on launchpad? [06:12] Miar: yeah try to use ubuntu-bug from terminal [06:12] Ah I'll do that. Thanks! [06:13] Miar: it will gather all details of your system, and you enter a description of your story [06:13] Miar: after that, feel free to share the link with us so other volunteers might take a look [06:14] lotuspsychje: Awesome. Thanks. [06:37] I reported the WMI error bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1802052 [06:37] Launchpad bug 1802052 in linux (Ubuntu) "WMI Error - ACPI Exception AE_NOT_FOUND" [Undecided,New] [06:37] Miar: thank you for taking your time, to create the bug. this helps yourself & the community === capella is now known as capella|away [06:40] Miar: now there are a few tricks to get things in motion: do a few tests yourself and add what do you did to the bug, kernel tests, acpi bootoptions,other ubuntu liveusb, for example and find other users to also affecting this bug [06:41] Miar: meanwhile devs will notice your bug and feel free to ask once in a while in #ubuntu aswell [06:41] !bootoptions | Miar [06:41] Miar: For a list and explanation on some of the boot options, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions See also !nomodeset. [06:44] lotuspsychje: Okay. Thanks! [06:47] Miar: i see in your bug this bootoption acpi_osi=Windows 2009 did you add that, or was that automaticly booted? [06:49] lotuspsychje: I added that as a fix for the wifi getting hardware blocked on suspend. [06:50] Miar: ah ok tnx, perhaps you can also run a test without that option, just to see === Class7_ is now known as Class7 [06:50] lotuspsychje: Aha yes. I'll do that and update the bug report with the results. [06:50] Miar: tnx [06:57] Is it possible to scale one screen of 2 to 200%? [06:57] Now if I change the scale both will be scaled to 200%.. [07:01] As in say debian have one, arch have another, etc? Or are they the same thing with small differences like different default value of some settings, etc? [07:02] pikapika: this is ubuntu support, what are you talking about exactly? [07:02] Less a question about an immediate help more an eli5 thing [07:02] drager: if it can help, there's a few scaling options in dconf-editor [07:02] Feel free to ignore [07:03] pikapika: non-ubuntu questions fit in other channels [07:03] okay [07:03] lotuspsychje: I see, will install it then [07:03] pikapika: do you know howto search channels on freenode? [07:03] drager: dconf-tools and after install there's a search function [07:04] Hey folks. What are you using for a backup-to-the-cloud solution? [07:04] I'm trying to find something that'll work on Ubuntu to back up to Wasabi. [07:05] lotuspsychje: Yes, seeing it :) [07:05] Miar: if you run a test on your bug, like kernel 4.19 please add this to bottom update text, not in the bugs description. thats easier to follow the bugs status [07:08] lotuspsychje: Oh okay. Sorry I'll do that. [07:10] lotuspsychje: Didn't find anything useful when searching for scale [07:12] drager: com/ubuntu/user-interface/scaling-factor seems usefull, but not sure wich values to enter [07:14] Yeah :P [07:23] !info rclone | SuperLag can this help? [07:23] SuperLag can this help?: rclone (source: rclone): rsync for commercial cloud storage. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.36-3 (bionic), package size 2923 kB, installed size 10188 kB [07:24] drager: you could experiment a bit yourself, adding value like 1.25 or 1.50 [07:30] lotuspsychje: yep. it certainly does. [07:30] lotuspsychje: Yeah, will do that. Thanks [07:35] lotuspsychje: I also found Duplicacy [07:36] Any good screenshoting tools that'll let you annotate/markup a picture? [07:36] I know about Shutter, but it seems to be pretty limited this time around. I can't find an arrow tool or any of the draw-a-text-box stuff there, like I remember from way back [07:51] Miar: tnx for adding your steps to the bug [07:57] Does anybody know what aspi_osi=! does in the boot menu? [07:59] Miar: "disable all built-in OS vendor strings" [08:01] EriC^^: his original bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1802052 [08:01] Launchpad bug 1802052 in linux (Ubuntu) "WMI Error - ACPI Exception AE_NOT_FOUND" [Undecided,Confirmed] [08:01] Miar: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt [08:02] EriC^^: Thanks! [08:03] Miar: no problem [08:12] #Build Your Computer [08:12] balsaq: only ubuntu issues here please [08:13] Hi. I installed ubuntu 16.04 on Dell XPS 9570 but the red color seems to be pinky [08:14] try calibrating your monitor kpp [08:14] How? [08:15] kpp ask the manufacturer [08:15] The button "Color->Calibrate.." is disabled === sauvin_ is now known as Sauvin [08:30] kpp: have you tried restarting x? [08:30] I tried to reboot. [08:45] hi all! [08:46] hi [08:49] how can i disable video card driver using grub menu [08:50] radkos: start from the beginning please, ubuntu version? kernel? graphics card chipset + driver version? [08:50] it's about the dedicated video card - ati [08:50] hi, is there a docker image of full ubuntu install anywhere? or at least something more equipped with basic tools than minimal image [08:51] i'm trying to start live usb - containing both ubuntu 12.04.5 , and ubuntu 18.04.1 as i tried both before figuring out it's GPU's issue [08:51] radkos: 12.04 is end of life, so thats a no-go [08:52] lotuspsychje, yes but at first i thought it might be due to excluded kernel module because the laptop is from 2011 i beleive [08:52] bsz there's an official image https://hub.docker.com/_/ubuntu/ [08:53] although i don't know why you'd want to use ubuntu via docker in the first place [08:53] when I manage to find out the chipset, what is the cmdline syntax in grub to disable it [08:53] radkos: can you explain what happens at wich point when trying to boot 18.04? [08:54] @MKUltraMagnus: official image is minimal, isn't it? it lacks very basic things like man pages, sudo, killall, many others that I have to install manually [08:54] and actually I'm using different distribution day-to-day, but I wanted to get ubuntu as it's required as a build environment for a project I'm doing [08:55] when loading the graphic interface it stops before loading the panel [08:55] after that i starts flickering and i see ERROR radeon: ring 3 test failed [08:55] GPU-s leaf (0xCAFEDEAD) [08:56] radkos: if its an old machine, perhaps consider trying a lubuntu or xubuntu? [08:56] radkos: nomodeset [08:56] you think it might be compiz related thing ? [08:56] bsz is it ubuntu that's actually required or just linux itself? docker isn't really for full system images, just the barebones needed for a particular build/serve environment [08:57] MKUltraMagnus: there are some build dependencies that make it way harder on fedora 29 I'm using [08:57] I see your point, though [08:58] I suppose I'll just install manually what's needed, thanks! [08:58] just add the setup + install lines to the dockerfile and let it run wild === SimonNL is now known as SimonNL_Afk [09:02] i will try both lubuntu and xubuntu and let you know if it worked [09:02] radkos: ok good luck! [09:11] hi! [09:11] can anyone help with this error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dZrNNFSDT3/ [09:11] I try to install inkscape [09:15] piraye: Remove /var/lib/apt/lists/ and update again [09:15] can you give command to remove it [09:16] You could just navigate to there in your file browser [09:17] or if you want a command [09:17] sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/ [09:23] Hi. I installed ubuntu 16.04 on Dell XPS 9570 but the red color seems to be pink. I cannot calibrate my display since the button "Color->Calibrate.." is disabled. This https://askubuntu.com/a/664299 does not work since there is no "DFP-0 - (LGD)" tab [09:26] Kon-, thanks :) [09:26] kpp: The syntax for the monitor naming in Nvidia Settings is - [09:27] If you had only one HDMI monitor, it would be HDMI-0 [09:27] If you had a second monitor on DisplayPort, that would be DP-1 [09:27] There is no tab with monitor at all [09:27] So there's nothing below PowerMizer? [09:28] Nothing. Only "Thermal Settings" And "PowerMizer" [09:29] What's the GPU? [09:30] If you have a GTX 1000 series card, it might be better off using 18.04 instead. [09:31] GTX 1050 Ti === SimonNL_Afk is now known as SimonNL [09:57] Hello, my grep commands don't always show files names, like for a result, some file paths are not shown, some are shown, i tried to add -H, nothing changed.... how to always show files names? [09:58] fruitycode: if you grep after a | there is no way for grep to know the file name. in all other cases -H should work. [09:58] sonne: grep -r -n --with-filename --exclude-dir=vendors --exclude-dir=migrations --exclude-dir=yii --exclude-dir=redis "layout.main_header.allCities" [09:59] this is the grep command [09:59] fruitycode: seems to be missing an argument, but maybe you're implying a '.' [09:59] however that should definitely be working [10:00] I can't figure out why my crontab doesn't work. I tried adding myself to crontab group, addint /etc/cron.allow [10:00] I am using crontab -e to edit it, I only have 1 rule [10:04] frib: use the full path to any commands and files you reference and add soemthing like 2>&1 > /tmp/cron.log to the end of the command [10:05] Kyros, can you please explain what 2>&1 means? [10:05] it redirects stderr to stdout [10:05] sonne: defiently not working :( [10:05] the first file path is not working [10:05] fruitycode: also, -H should be implied with -r [10:05] Kyros, ahh so 2 = stderr, 1 = stdout [10:05] yup [10:05] and & ? [10:06] im not exactly sure [10:06] k [10:06] fruitycode: what do you mean the first file path? [10:06] it might tell it its not a file [10:06] so this will output BOTH stout and stderr to /tmp/cron.log? [10:06] sonne: even this basic version is not working : grep -H -r -n "layout.main_header.allCities" [10:06] frib yeah [10:06] > If you have a GTX 1000 series card, it might be better off using 18.04 instead. [10:06] cool thx [10:06] Kon-, you are wrong [10:06] I got the same issue [10:06] it shows 3 results, the first result don't have the filename path showing... [10:07] fruitycode: do you think you could share an example of what happens and what should happen instead/ [10:07] ? [10:07] ok [10:07] I just reinstalled a new 18.04, no Monitor tab [10:08] Kyros, nothing comes out : [10:08] :\ [10:08] I don't think the crontab file is even being read ?? [10:09] whats your line look like [10:09] http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html <= Kyros frib [10:09] 1 * * * * /home/mark/Scripts/bgscript 2>&1 > /tmp/cron.log [10:09] should be every minute ? [10:10] frib: nope [10:10] fruitycode: that's every second minute of the hour [10:10] frib* [10:10] every minute is * * * * * [10:10] oh right [10:11] sonne: https://i.imgur.com/9Qr8Pqf.png [10:11] nothing in cron.log [10:11] fruitycode: what if you add a '.' at the end? [10:11] even with * * * * * [10:12] * fruitycode checks [10:12] frib: if the file exists though it means that the cron line is being run [10:12] sonne: same :( [10:12] frib: looks like a problem with the terminal emulator there; I see you have powerline in use as well. Try redriecting output into a file and then check the file content [10:12] grrr, sorry frib! [10:13] fruitycode: looks like a problem with the terminal emulator there; I see you have powerline in use as well. Try redriecting output into a file and then check the file content [10:13] TJ-: makes sense, let me check [10:13] well interestingly enough the first line doesn't even seem to match the expression.. [10:14] fruitycode: I actually think that first line isn't in the grep results; I think it's something being added by a glitch in the shell itself :) [10:14] fruitycode: try "reset" in the shell [10:14] no, it matches the search, i can see it in the file [10:15] fruitycode: really? what does "hash" report as the path for "grep"? [10:15] fruitycode: I'm wondering if you've a wrapper around the true grep tool [10:15] one second, i tried to run the command in the default shell, i switched from zsh to bash, the problem continues [10:15] but when i output to a file [10:15] i can see the paths normally [10:16] fruitycode: right, so there is some embedded terminal control codes in the result itself. [10:16] i'm on default grep of ubuntu, no wrappers [10:16] what are they? [10:16] fruitycode: capture the output in hex: "grep ... | hexdmup -C | less" and you might see [10:17] grrr [10:17] hex? ah, why.. i will try it [10:17] fruitycode: typos! "grep ... | hexdump -C | less" [10:18] fruitycode: in the hext output you should see the first-line file path does come first... but you might find some none-ASCII text codes further into the line that are effectively returning the cursor to start of the line, thus over-writing the file path, when using the terminal and not a file [10:19] i can see it when i hex [10:19] maybe i know what the problem is [10:20] stray carriage returns? [10:20] the matched code of grep is lengthy, and it shows it's tail... which results in the file name not being showed [10:20] how to tell each line to show it's beginning rather than a snipped version [10:21] * fruitycode searches for verbose [10:21] fruitycode: grep should display the entire line; I get annoyed with it doing that sometimes when I get a screen scrolled with one small match somewhere [10:21] fruitycode: you can use "-o" to only show the match itself [10:22] yeah, so the line probably contains CRs (\r). Probably some lines have been merged, with windows line endings, and the \r stayed put [10:22] TJ-, powerline?? [10:22] try grep ... | tr -d '\r' [10:22] sonne, the file only exists because I Created it [10:23] hm. remove it and try waiting the whole minute again. [10:23] * * * * * /home/mark/Scripts/bgscript > /tmp/cron.log also does not put out anything [10:24] maybe try with a simpler command e.g. /bin/touch /tmp/test123 [10:24] frib: redirect stderr as well: * * * * * /home/mark/Scripts/bgscript > /tmp/cron.log 2>&1 [10:24] no, when i output the results, i can see what i want, but on terminal not the whole line is showed [10:24] i don't think the file is even being read [10:24] but ok [10:24] when i output to a file, i can see the whole thing [10:24] frib: that's why i suggested the touch, so we can be 100% sure about that [10:25] frib: which file are you editing exactly? [10:25] fruitycode: I can reproduce what geirha described easily: "echo -e "first line\rsecond line" >/tmp/test.txt; cat /tmp/test.txt" [10:25] ? [10:25] sonne, i'm going to do a echo "hello" > /tmp/cron.log [10:25] what? [10:25] fruitycode: so it is likely there are carriage-returns (0x13) in the matched line [10:25] frib: just do the touch, so we only check one thing at a time [10:25] ok [10:26] echo works [10:26] it's a problem with my script apparently [10:26]

[10:26] but I can execute it locally so I Don't get why [10:26] fruitycode: \r is handled specially by the terminal, whenever a CR is printed, it moves the cursor to the start of the line, meaning that the next characters overwrite whatever's at the start of the line [10:26] there's no carriage or anything [10:27] fruitycode: they're not easily visible [10:27] hexdump file | grep \ 0d [10:27] :D [10:28] fruitycode: "grep -o '[[:cntrl:]]' path/to/file | hexdump -C" - I bet you'll see some hex '0d' (dec 12) akak carriage returns [10:28] frib: which crontab are you editing? are you running crontab -e ? or editing one of the crontabs under /etc ? [10:28] grrr, (dec 13) [10:28] i can see ^M stuff when i do a (grep) .... | less [10:29] yup, ^M is CR [10:29] is ^M what causes them ? [10:29] fruitycode: some cross-platform text editors can/do insert carriage returns [10:29] ^M == \r\n no? [10:29] ^M is only \r [10:29] ah cool [10:29] some people were developing on windows shit, this what caused this, right? [10:29]