[00:01] <zout-sel> TJ-: it worked : )), I looked in /etc/default/keyboard on my harddisk and it was xkblayout:ru but also xkbvariant:legacy
[00:01] <zout-sel> and with my live usb I had xkbvariant as blank
[00:01] <zout-sel> so I added a new password with the ru legacy layout and I can boot from my hard disk : )
[00:02] <zout-sel> after 2 hours :)
[00:02] <zout-sel> there should really be an option to change keyboard layout before you have to fill in a password
[00:11] <gwozt> hey guys my ubuntu is broken whatever i try to install it says: https://pastebin.com/7uBdf2cr
[00:12] <gwozt> what should i do? i also tried "apt --fix-broken install" and the output was: https://pastebin.com/BabCYjaQ
[00:19] <gwozt> also tried "sudo apt --fix-broken install" and the output was: https://pastebin.com/eCrvguNm
[00:21] <guiverc_d> gwozt, what Ubuntu are you running?  packages in your error are for cosmic, others for bionic - and your package requires a older version (-draw 6.0.6 = bionic, but your rule wants 6.0.3?  are you using Ubuntu, is your system up-to-date?  https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libreoffice-draw https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=icedtea-netx ..
[00:58] <lordcirth_> zout-sel, TJ- My mistake, pkeys= is actually a distro-specific argument that I stumbled upon while searching briefly
[01:08] <zout-sel> lordcirth_: it's ok, all fixed now : )
[01:23] <lordcirth_> zout-sel, you ended up adding a Russian slot?
[01:27] <WoC> when i do a "apt update", where does it get the machine type from ?
[01:27] <WoC> such as x86_64
[01:31] <blackswan> arch
[01:31] <blackswan> i *think*
[01:32] <blackswan> which in turn gets it from uname(2)
[01:40] <WoC> blackswan, as in uname -m ?
[01:41] <blackswan> yes, i believe so.
[01:41] <WoC> arch returns same as uname -m for me
[01:42] <WoC> but apt update chooses another
[01:42] <ducasse> WoC: the package architecture is kept track of by dpkg, aiui
[01:42] <blackswan> oh.
[01:43] <ducasse> WoC: dpkg --print-architecture
[01:43] <blackswan> i thought you were asking a different question
[01:43] <WoC> ducasse, it shows the wrong one
[01:44] <blackswan> there is multiarch trickery
[01:44] <WoC> how can i fix it so it supports two ?
[01:44] <ducasse> WoC: what does it show, and what did you expect?
[01:44] <blackswan> specifics are of great help
[01:44] <WoC> dpkg; powerpc  uname -m ppc64
[01:45] <boredguy> hi
[01:46] <boredguy> i recently upgraded my PC and installed ubuntu 18.04 on it. it's real slow at opening apps. how do i speed it up?
[01:47] <WoC> ducasse, is it possible to fix it to ppc64,powerpc ? Kind of like multilib and x86_64,x86 ?
[01:47] <boredguy> my old configuration with an AMD A10 cpu and Ubuntu 14.04 worked real fast.
[01:47] <ducasse> WoC: on intel dpkg would show amd64 and uname x86_64
[01:48] <WoC> ducasse, right, my bad. But that was just an example
[01:48] <ducasse> WoC: you have dpkg --add-architecture
[01:49] <WoC> oh
[01:49] <WoC> dpkg: error: unknown option --add-architect
[01:49] <WoC> oops, typo
[01:49] <WoC> nm
[01:57] <leonardus> When I click on a window in the side bar, it drags it
[01:57] <leonardus> instead of switching to that window
[02:05] <WoC> ducasse seems like there is none, i would need ppc64 but not ppc64el
[02:06] <arooni> so i am running out of space for / but when i opened gparted to try to resize i was unable to.  do i need to unmount everything and boot to a usb drive or something to e able to move about 3-4 gb from /home to / ? https://imgur.com/a/VBHudO4
[02:07] <ducasse> WoC: ok, then i don't know what to suggest - haven't touched a ppc-based system in many years
[02:07] <Rave1> arooni:  yes you need to use a live system to move partitions
[02:07] <arooni> Rave1: should i be able to move some free space from /home to my / partition?
[02:08] <Rave1> arooni:  be sure to have backups of files first,, and yes
[02:08] <arooni> ok wish me mluck
[02:08] <arooni> oh one last q
[02:09] <arooni> how much free space should / have
[02:09] <Rave1> arooni:   always backup files
[02:09] <arooni> like 3-4-5 gb ?
[02:09] <Rave1> arooni:   that really depends on your needs
[02:10] <arooni> i feel like i have most of my software installed
[02:10] <Rave1> arooni:   ok  so use what you feel will be enough
[02:23]  * darkghost7 looks around ('-' ) (._. ) (o_o) ( ._.) ( '-')
[02:30] <b3nszy> hey
[02:31] <b3nszy> I'm trying to download anaconda on ubuntu
[02:31] <b3nszy> and I'm having difficulties
[02:31] <b3nszy> can someone help me??
[02:40] <darkghost7> yes
[02:41] <b3nszy> hey darkghost7
[02:41] <b3nszy> so when I try to download it through the site it brings me to what appears to be a page with a bunch of code
[02:41] <b3nszy> and has a very slow loading bar
[02:41] <darkghost7> ok
[02:41] <b3nszy> which never finishes
[02:41] <b3nszy> I'm not sure how else to explain it I'm new to ubuntu
[02:41] <darkghost7> you are trying to download it thru website
[02:41] <b3nszy> yeah
[02:41] <darkghost7> are you 64 bit system or 32
[02:42] <b3nszy> 64
[02:44] <darkghost7> and you are tring to download the one with python3.7
[02:44] <b3nszy> yes
[02:44] <darkghost7> top
[02:44] <b3nszy> what
[02:45] <darkghost7> sry wrong window
[02:45] <darkghost7> so
[02:45] <darkghost7> 3.7
[02:45] <b3nszy> yep
[02:45] <darkghost7> wget https://3230d63b5fc54e62148e-c95ac804525aac4b6dba79b00b39d1d3.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/Anacond3-5.3.0--Linux-x86_64.sh
[02:46] <b3nszy> what do I do with that
[02:46] <darkghost7> wget https://3230d63b5fc54e62148e-c95ac804525aac4b6dba79b00b39d1d3.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/Anacond3-5.3.0--Linux-x86_64.shget https://3230d63b5fc54e62148e-c95ac804525aac4b6dba79b00b39d1d3.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/Anaconda-2.3.0-Linux-x86_64.sh
[02:46] <darkghost7> ont
[02:46] <darkghost7> dont
[02:46] <darkghost7> wait
[02:46] <darkghost7> dont
[02:47] <darkghost7> ignore those messages
[02:47] <darkghost7> did you try installing it thru apt?
[02:47] <b3nszy> no
[02:50] <b3nszy> darkghost7,
[02:52] <darkghost7> 'wget http://repo.continuum.io/archive/Anaconda3-5.3.0-Linux-x86_64.sh' - this command should download the latest version of anaconda for python3
[02:52] <darkghost7> after that
[02:52] <darkghost7> 'bash Anaconda3-5.3.0-Linux-x86_64.sh' - should execute it
[02:54] <b3nszy> do I include the '
[02:55] <darkghost7> no
[02:56] <UBUxUBU> i must that trying the ubuntu mini install inside if the regualr installer is the only way ill evr do it again
[02:56] <b3nszy> ok
[02:56] <b3nszy> thank you
[02:56] <UBUxUBU> it runs better
[02:57] <UBUxUBU> its not whacky anymore either kinda reminds me of debian but it looks a lot better
[02:59] <UBUxUBU> even my fans stopped groaning amazing
[03:07] <b3nszy> darkghost7,
[03:07] <b3nszy> it's still not working
[03:13] <sfdebug> hi, how can i verify the updates that ubuntu 14.release
[03:13] <sfdebug> sorry
[03:13] <sfdebug> i'll ask again
[03:14] <sfdebug> hi, how can i verify the updates that ubuntu 14.04 release sometimes? that ones the Software Updater runs and show you that there's updates?
[03:15] <sfdebug> i want to see the logs from these updates, does anyone know where can i found it?
[03:17] <darkghost7> [+mode_indicator+(away)+ input_search+ input_paste+ vi_buffer+]
[03:17] <darkghost7> input_text+minimal"
[03:17] <darkghost7> stop
[03:17] <darkghost7> wait
[03:17] <darkghost7> ignore
[03:18] <Bashing-om> sfdebug: See: /var/log/apt/history.log .
[03:18] <sfdebug> Bashing-om, i want an website... i found it here: https://usn.ubuntu.com/
[03:19] <sfdebug> Bashing-om, tnks... i searched for it all the afternoon and just was use the correct key words in google now xD
[03:22] <sfdebug> i have here a security update "interactive X program to prompt user" that i don't know what's is, i would like to know, but google doesn't return anything about it..
[03:24] <b3nszy> how do I get out of tmp
[03:24] <sfdebug> b3nszy, what do you mena by get out?
[03:25] <b3nszy> idk
[03:25] <b3nszy> how do I just not have the tmp thing in terminal
[03:25] <sfdebug> the /tmp directory?
[03:26] <b3nszy> yeah
[03:26] <sfdebug> it's a system directory
[03:26] <sfdebug> it's necessary to the system
[03:26] <b3nszy> yeah but
[03:26] <b3nszy> I dont want to be in the directory
[03:26] <b3nszy> you know what I mena?
[03:26] <sfdebug> oh yes
[03:27] <sfdebug> use cd command
[03:27] <sfdebug> for example
[03:27] <sfdebug> cd /home
[03:27] <sfdebug> cd = change directory
[03:27] <sfdebug> or to go to your user home, just cd and press [enter]
[03:28] <sfdebug> tha is the same that cd ~
[03:28] <sfdebug> to back to the previous directory: cd -
[03:28] <Bashing-om> sfdebug: If you know the package from the update .. then ' apt show <package> ' will give info .
[03:29] <sfdebug> Bashing-om, it dont tell the package... let me take a print-screen to show you
[03:31] <sfdebug> Bashing-om, https://paste.pics/ac2917b9e88a1a71d6ef53ded0604ef6
[03:32] <arooni> question ;; my root partition is on /dev/sda1 ;; and on /dev/sda2 i have 3.42gb of free space; but because its on a different partition, i cant seem to make the /deav/sda1 take the free space and expand the root partition.  what to do now?
[03:32] <sfdebug> arooni, there are tools the make these you want
[03:33] <arooni> i'm using gparted
[03:33] <sfdebug> yes, partition magic too etc.
[03:33] <arooni> gparted doesnt seem to be able to move the free space from /dev/sda2 to /dev/sda1
[03:34] <sfdebug> arooni, you must be with the partition unmounted
[03:34] <arooni> i'm booted into a live cd thingy
[03:35] <arooni> so i am typing on a different computer
[03:35] <sfdebug> it's easier if you use a boot live cd to do that
[03:35] <purpleunicorn> 22:33:13 <purpleunicorn> Can someone help me get the WiFi on Ubuntu. For some reason it didn’t come up when I installed ubuntu to my Mac. I read how I could download the b43updated.zip file and got it on a flash drive. I’m supposed to right click and click on extract here. It doesn’t give me that option. Why? I’m supposed to extract the file on the desktop.
[03:35] <arooni> already there :)
[03:35] <sfdebug> what's b43updated.zip?
[03:36] <purpleunicorn> It’s a zip file for if we’re having WiFi issues and it’s not our desktop we can use that and extract on the desktop
[03:36] <sfdebug> purpleunicorn, go to the wifi icon and take a look there, if the problem is with the cardboard so you will have to google it to see how to configure that...
[03:36] <Bashing-om> sfdebug: apt search "interactive x program" >> ssh-askpass-gnome .
[03:36] <arooni> sfdebug: https://imgur.com/a/Wo5bJ6b
[03:36] <sfdebug> Bashing-om, hum..
[03:37] <purpleunicorn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2TCnCRts/1541648213.JPG
[03:37] <purpleunicorn> sfdebug: the WiFi icon says airplane mode
[03:38] <Bashing-om> sfdebug: Keep in mind I have no experience with the GUI Software Updater .
[03:41] <sfdebug> Bashing-om, i'm asking it because this days some strange thing happened to me. i installed gksu using apt-get from the ubuntu oficial repository, the gksu asked me for the password (as would like to be) but i tried 3 times and it said ever that my pass was wrong, but it wasn't... i thought it verify estrange, after that, when i ran the gksu again and it asked me the password and i put it, it ran ok... i'm running some forensics tool
[03:41] <sfdebug> s to try to discover if there's something wrong in my sin my system
[03:42] <Bashing-om> sfdebug: What release ? as "gksu" has been depreciated for some time now .
[03:43] <sfdebug> Bashing-om, wasn't a ksu update, it was a installation of it, i'm using 14.04
[03:43] <sfdebug> ksu = gksu
[03:45] <sfdebug> purpleunicorn, use unzip b43updated.zip from a terminal
[03:46] <sfdebug> purpleunicorn, press ctrl alt t to open a terminal
[03:46] <sfdebug> after, cd Desktop
[03:46] <sfdebug> and unzip b43updated.zi
[03:47] <sfdebug> ops, unzip b43updated.zip
[03:47] <purpleunicorn> It has another name I think
[03:48] <Bashing-om> sfdebug: 14.04 I would expect to be good with "gksu" .
[03:48] <sfdebug> It = what? the zip file?
[03:49] <sfdebug> Bashing-om, right... it was very estrange experience... i'll upgrade it to 18.04 in the next days anyway...
[03:49] <purpleunicorn> Yeah sfdebug it didn’t work. It says cannot find or open b43updated.zip
[03:50] <sfdebug> ls
[03:50] <sfdebug> to show the files
[03:50] <sfdebug> purpleunicorn, don't you know the basic terminal commands?
[03:50] <purpleunicorn> I forgot
[03:51] <Bashing-om> sfdebug: when you do go to 18.04, be aware: https://itsfoss.com/gksu-replacement-ubuntu/ .
[03:51] <sfdebug> Bashing-om, humm... let me see..
[03:55] <sfdebug> "gksu is unmaintained (last upload 2014) and is considered a security vulnerability." (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=892768), they say in the same page: "to use PolicyKit to request elevated privileges for the specific actions that need done instead of for the whole app to run as root."
[03:59] <sfdebug> purpleunicorn, https://www.pcsteps.com/5010-basic-linux-commands-terminal/
[04:00] <sfdebug> purpleunicorn, after unzip the .zip file you'll have to execute the steps that "Wild Man" from StackOverflow said...
[04:10] <purpleunicorn> sfdebug: I already have the unzip utility installed. I tried unzip and then b43 but it won’t come up. It can locate it though
[04:19] <sfdebug> purpleunicorn, can you take a screen shot?
[04:20] <en1gma> i just made the image of ubuntu 18.04 32bit net install mini.iso on my usb stick.
[04:21] <en1gma> my computer is old but i just get a blank screen with flashing cursor in upper left corner
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> en1gma: sounds like bad uefi settings
[04:23] <sfdebug> but, didn't tell you you were in "Desktop" trying to right click on the zip file and extract it?
[04:23] <sfdebug> i thought you were in a GUI
[04:24] <en1gma> its an old computer. 2006
[04:24] <en1gma> i think it has 2012 bios in it
[04:25] <en1gma> only setting i see would be install os = on
[04:25] <en1gma> should i set it to off?
[04:25] <sfdebug> so you just have the linux on a terminal running on it?
[04:26] <purpleunicorn> sfdebug: you’re supposed to right click on the file I think. That’s what I did and it give the option to extract the file
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> en1gma: maybe try lubuntu or xubuntu then
[04:28] <en1gma> for mini.iso?
[04:28] <en1gma> 32bit
[04:29] <guiverc_d> en1gma, my thought was verifying your ISO - and yes Xubuntu & Lubuntu still support x86 (32bit)
[04:29] <guiverc_d> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto en1gma
[04:29] <gijoe3k> Quick question guys & gals, what the heck happened to "Get Deb" website and repositories?
[04:30] <gijoe3k> I can find little info on why it's been down and essentially gone bye bye :(
[04:31] <en1gma> ok will verify sha256 first
[04:37] <en1gma> hash checks out on mini.iso. wonder why it wont boot
[04:37] <purpleunicorn> sfdebug: welp...I think I killed my laptop. It won’t turn on :(
[04:38] <adikwok> hello .. anyone ever used lxde ? please help, how to set monitor brightness in lxde
[04:39] <teardown> on my clean install of 18.04, mariadb refuses to start after installing it. journalctl shows the service start and then immediately shut down, logging the following error 'control process: file or directory not found'
[04:40] <teardown> pls halp
[04:40] <guiverc_d> adikwok, this may help (https://askubuntu.com/questions/148377/where-do-i-find-display-brightness-controls-in-lubuntu) - note there are a number of alternatives; some work for some, others need diff (xrandr, vs xbacklight - depends on hardware I guess)
[04:40] <teardown> nota bene: i have disabled apparmor for this binary
[04:41] <en1gma> getting xubuntu
[04:44] <c|oneman> TJ-: are youstill around
[04:47] <en1gma> ubuntu dont officially support xubuntu though right?
[04:48] <Bashing-om> !flavors | en1gma
[04:50] <en1gma> nice. thought i was gonna lose good support
[04:55] <en1gma> oh wow. same probmlem with xubuntu. pulled my usb 3.0 stick out and it worked
[04:55] <en1gma> hmmmm
[04:59] <guiverc_d> en1gma, i do have machines that won't boot usb-thumb-drives if more than a single usb is plugged in - not sure if that's an explanation
[05:01] <adikwok> hello, i am in ubuntu, used to use gnome,
[05:02] <adikwok> i read yesterday in this irc, that for old laptop, better try lubuntu, so  i tried lxde
[05:02] <adikwok> now it is really do improvement on speed,
[05:02] <adikwok> but i can not set brightness control in lxde
[05:03] <adikwok> and i could not get back to gnome either, when i click login password, it turn back to login password screen when i chosse gnome
[05:04] <adikwok> anyone would help how to set brightness control in lxde? thx in advance
[05:04] <guiverc_d> adikwok, did you try the `xrandr --output VGA1 --brightness 0.9` (adjusting for your machine of course) or `xbacklight -inc 40` (to incraease 40% for example & dec for decrease)
[05:05] <adikwok> guiverc_d: can we do that from fn key like in gnome?
[05:05] <guiverc_d> (or `xbacklight -set 70` to set to 70% & not mess  with inc or dec)
[05:05] <guiverc_d> adikwok, it was from link I provided earlier; yes you could probably set to key (like ctrl+alt+t opens term), but I rarely use laptops so haven't tried)
[05:08] <adikwok> guiverc_d: i tried to edit ~/.config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml and add ctrl+alt+t for terminal in <keyboard> section, but it is no response when i press ctrl+alt+t.
[05:09] <adikwok> guiverc_d: lxde is real nice, for old laptop like mine, acer 4315, now it is faster than when i used windows 7. the main improvement is i can see hd youtube video in firefox, which always freeze in gnome before
[05:10] <guiverc_d> adikwok, i don't have a lubuntu running at present to look, maybe I can look in awhile...
[05:10] <adikwok> although the gui is so vintage like windows low graphic, but the speed is more than win 7 with readyboost 32gb
[05:11] <adikwok> guiverc_d: thx
[05:12] <guiverc_d> adikwok, lubuntu can be faster as it uses less memory (older gtk+2 libs mostly); but you can lose that speed if you waste your memory..  xfce (xubuntu) is pretty good too - but it's a personal preference which is best for you.
[05:12] <adikwok> i desperately changed to lxde from gnome, since i need to watch youtube in fullscreen without lag. and lxde can do that, i am really glad
[05:13] <A_J> https://bugs.launchpad.net/switchboard-plug-power/+bug/1359054 || I would like my laptop to sleep when i close the lid. even the suspend option basically turns it off
[05:14] <adikwok> guiverc_d: o yes, one thing please, can i get rid off qemu kvm, will it destroy the lxde settings? i ran out of hdd space,
[05:15] <c|oneman> once I've installed a kernel using dpkg, how do "enable" it
[05:17] <guiverc_d> adikwok, i can't imagine kvm or qemu exists on my lubuntu  (I wouldn't use it, so have never actually looked)
[05:19] <adikwok> guiverc_d: meanings lubuntu works fine without qemu kvm? .. ok, i will apt purge qemu . since it was a wrong move in desperate yesterday, when i was trying to install lxde.. i installed this that this that.
[05:20] <sfdebug> i have installed libuv and dse-cpp-driver, after it i'm trying to install php7.1-dse-driver_1.1.1_stable-1_amd64.deb butit says: "Package libuv is not installed.", but i can check it is installed with dpkg -l libuv
[05:20] <sfdebug> does anyone can help me?
[05:22] <guiverc_d> c|oneman, what Ubuntu release?
[05:22] <c|oneman> well I currently have 14.04, trying to upgrade to 16.04, but says my kenel 3.0.36+ is too old for librc6
[05:23] <sfdebug> the libuv is on /usr/local/lib/libuv.so
[05:24] <guiverc_d> 3.0?  Ubuntu 14.04 installs with 3.13 (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Support) - is it Ubuntu?
[05:25] <c|oneman> yes but it's for a cheap arm box, it probably had a kernel hacked on it
[05:26] <guiverc_d> okay - i did assume x86*;   if installed, a `sudo update-grub` I would expect to find it, then on reboot your grub should give you the option to boot it...
[05:27] <c|oneman> hmm , if it uses 'uboot' maybe thats the problem
[05:28] <guiverc_d> c|oneman, i can't help sorry :(   (someone else may if you're patient)
[05:31] <guiverc_d> adikwok, did you say what version of Lubuntu? (you are using)
[05:31] <adikwok> guiverc_d: im using ubuntu 18.04.1
[05:32] <guiverc_d> :)  (I'm booting 18.04)
[05:32] <adikwok> with lxde desktop, switched from gnome.
[05:34] <guiverc_d> adikwok, no probs, you didn't install it all (ie. lubuntu-desktop), but in bits didn't you?
[05:35] <adikwok> guiverc_d: i guess i just apt-get install lxde ( since it was only 100mb+ . compared with lubuntu 300mb+ )
[05:36] <adikwok> guiverc_d: how to check it to make sure, whether i used lubuntu-desktop or lxde?
[05:38] <guiverc_d> adikwok, i guess you could `dpkg -l lubuntu*` (and you'll see -artwork, -desktop with ii's if installed..)
[05:39] <adikwok> guiverc_d: no packages matching with lubuntu
[05:39] <xaxxon> I'm booting an older computer off a usb stick I just made with ubuntu server lts but I don't get a "try ubuntu without installing" option.   am I doing something wrong?
[05:39] <guiverc_d> then I guess it's lxde & individual packages
[05:40] <xaxxon> the computer doesn't have a disk to install to, I just want to get linux running to make sure it's in good shape
[05:40] <guiverc_d> xaxxon, ubuntu-server does not by default have a gui, nor a 'try' or (live) mode
[05:40] <guiverc_d> xaxxon, there is a version with 'live' - so check you have that live-capable version of -server!
[05:41] <xaxxon> guiverc_d: how?
[05:41] <guiverc_d> xaxxon, i would look where you downloaded it; or if you boot and only get install I'd assume it doesn't have it (most do not; only 1 -server does have live I believe - I'm no expert)
[05:41] <adikwok> guiverc_d: yes it is lxde with status | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
[05:41] <adikwok> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[05:41] <guiverc_d> if I need a live system, I always use desktop versions..  (before installing server)
[05:42] <xaxxon> guiverc_d: thank you.   I'll just download "normal" and flash that..
[05:42] <xaxxon> I'm mostly just happy this computer can even boot from USB :)
[05:42] <xaxxon> very old 8-core xeon system - but the price was right.   $100 for 2
[05:44] <guiverc_d> adikwok, this will be vague sorry, but on one system I have 'keyboard' which allows me to set ctrl+alt+f - I'm assuming its from gnome as I don't see it on my lubuntu box; maybe you have it to have it run a command on keystroke  (screen dim/brighter..)
[05:45] <adikwok> guiverc_d: i dont know how to run command for screen dim/brighter
[05:46] <adikwok> i typed screen dim, .. the message was screen not installed
[05:47] <guiverc_d> adikwok, my  ~/.config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml file has a warning @ top not to edit the file, it's overwritten
[05:48] <guiverc_d> sorry I said 'screen dim/brighter' as reminder only, using commands (if they work) previously described - `screen` has no relationship to what you want (let's you reconnect to lost term etc) - i usually use `` around commands..
[05:49] <xaxxon> is it hard to add stuff to the "live" version so that I can boot and run my computer just off a USB stick?   and then past that can I just boot that image over the network via PXE or whatever instead of having a USB stick plugged in?
[05:49] <guiverc_d> commands were `xrandr`  or `xbacklight`  (having scrolled back)
[05:50] <adikwok> guiverc_d: in my ~/.config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml  top it has too.and i did follow to  Copy the file to $HOME/.config/openbox/ instead. -->
[05:50] <guiverc_d> xaxxon, you can write a persistent usb-thumb-drive that allows updating, & persistent sessions, but I usually just 'install' to another usb drive ...
[05:50] <guiverc_d> :) adikwok
[05:51] <xaxxon> guiverc_d: I was hoping to boot multiple machines from the same image hosted on another computer
[05:51] <adikwok> guiverc_d: my xrandr output is .. xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[05:51] <adikwok> ..
[05:51] <xaxxon> guiverc_d: or did I misunderstand what you just said
[05:53] <guiverc_d> adikwok, about 47mins back I said "adikwok, did you try the `xrandr --output VGA1 --brightness 0.9` (adjusting for your machine of course) or `xbacklight -inc 40` (to incraease 40% for example & dec for decrease) or `xbacklight -set 70` to set to 70% & not mess  with inc or dec"
[05:54] <guiverc_d> adikwok, if you don't have long scrollback, everything said here is logged and can be read (useful if you need to remember something later..)
[05:56] <adikwok> guiverc_d: i tried like you pointed xrandr --output VGA1 --brightness 0.9
[05:56] <guiverc_d> also #lubuntu will have people that use lubuntu all the time (and more knowledgable too)
[05:56] <adikwok> and it said: output VGA1 not found
[05:57] <adikwok> guiverc_d: i tried xbacklight -inc 40 .. result: xbacklight not installed
[05:58] <guiverc_d> the command was an example (adjust for your machine of course ... i provided link for discussion around command earlier
[05:59] <guiverc_d> adikwok, if i run `xrandr` by itself, it shows my machine has DVI-0 & DVI-1, and no VGA1
[06:00] <adikwok> guiverc_d: i guess you shared only one link, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto
[06:01] <adikwok> guiverc_d: i ran xrandr .. with result; xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[06:02] <guiverc_d> the verify wiki link as I recall was to someone else, to you was adikwok, this may help (https://askubuntu.com/questions/148377/where-do-i-find-display-brightness-controls-in-lubuntu) - note there are a number of alternatives; some work for some, others need diff (xrandr, vs xbacklight - depends on hardware I guess)  15:40 (my local time)
[06:04] <adikwok> guiverc_d: that conversation i didnt find in my log. :[
[06:05] <guiverc_d> adikwok, fyi: log can be read at https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/11/08/%23ubuntu.txt  (times there are UST/UTC)
[06:05] <guiverc_d> 04:40 was time  (UTC/UST) -- but in a busy room stuff is easy to miss :)
[06:06] <adikwok> guiverc_d: now i am reading the link, try to find out what to do
[06:06] <adikwok> guiverc_d: thx for the link
[06:07] <adikwok> guiverc_d: ubuntu is awesome again, sometime i felt it was suck, since i can not play youtube fullscreen in firefox, when i used gnome. .. but now i can watch youtube fullscreen .. even in HD
[06:08] <guiverc_d> (it was just something I found online - brightness will depend on video card or your hardware - my desktops don't adjust brightness (though I can use redshift to accomplish it i suppose)
[06:08] <adikwok> guiverc_d: yet GUI of lxde is soo vintage . compared to gnome
[06:09] <guiverc_d> adikwok, LXDE is 'dead' (on life-support till 2021-april due 18.04 LTS), lubuntu have moved to LXQt - but some people don't like change (I like xfce which is really old too)
[06:15] <Miar> Just wanted to bump this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1802052
[06:16] <xaxxon> if I have to add "irqpoll" to my boot options to make it boot, is there something "bad" about my computer?
[06:16] <adikwok> guiverc_d: how to try xfce too
[06:17] <adikwok> now in my login screen i had: lxde, openbox, gnome-classic, gnome Xorg, ubuntu .. but only lxde or openbox that can made me logged in
[06:18] <adikwok> i even can not switch back to gnome either :[
[06:18] <guiverc_d> adikwok if you have the disk space, you could `sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop` will installs XFCE & all it's apps.  this will cause more programs to be loaded, more bandwidth used during updates (as it your gnome, lxde, xubuntu all get updated) etc.. you can select at login which you use.. (I'm a big fan of loading multiple DEs on my hardware; but not all play together perfectly)
[06:18] <adikwok> i think i can adjust screen brightness via gnome, where i used to do that
[06:19] <adikwok> guiverc_d: ok, i will try apt install xubuntu-desktop, ..
[06:48] <eltigre> I have tried to move the mysql data directory, but I can't access that directory from user "mysql" (ubuntu). I have set the directory to mysql:mysql and g+rwx
[06:48] <eltigre> any idea?
[06:49] <eltigre> sorry solved
[06:49] <eltigre> it
[07:12] <GizmoRomick> Could someone help me with picking a note taking app.  I prefer something where I can store the data locally, something with good tab support, can have image and file attachments, and prefer markdown.  Anyone know of something that fills some of those requirements
[07:47] <afx_> GizmoRomick, have you tried Evernote (not local)
[07:57] <afx_> Hello !I would like to search contentes of multiple pdf, txt, doc files . What software would you recommend
[07:57] <afx_> I have read about recoll
[07:57] <afx_> but I would like to know the alternatives
[08:05] <jluc> sphinx does search
[08:07] <afx_> jluc, let me check sphinx
[08:13] <guiverc_d> afx_, I'd just grep/egrep/fgrep  (but not a gui tool)
[08:22] <afx_> guiverc_d, yeah I would like a gui tool
[09:02] <zetheroo> I have IPMI View (from Supermicro) downloaded on my laptop (Ubuntu 18.04) and I can open the IPMIView20.jar file with OpenJDK Java 11 Runtime, but the KVM console never works. However if I start the same jar file from terminal with 'java -jar IPMIView20.jar' the added IPMI devices are all gone (so I have to re-add them) but the KVM console works.
[09:02] <zetheroo> Any ideas what's going on here?
[09:03] <zetheroo> Java version info in the terminal shows https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cDHCQHM4vC/
[09:07] <adikwok> hello .. i personally thanks to this #ubuntu irc. to lotuspsychje, malina, guiverc_d and ones i couldnt remember nicknames, from helping me to feel the power of ubuntu in old laptop, acer 4315, intel celeron, single core, 1,73ghz, with no vga card installed. ..
[09:08] <adikwok> now, its really much faster than when i used gnome,
[09:08] <guiverc_d> :)  you are most welcome
[09:09] <adikwok> i switched to lxde, tried to use xfce, but im confused if its gonna break everything that set in my previous gnome, .. so
[09:09] <adikwok> i stick with this vintage looks of lxde, .
[09:09] <adikwok> guiverc_d: im running out of space too, ..
[09:10] <adikwok> to all seniors, . many thank you for your willingness helping noob.
[09:11] <guiverc_d> adikwok, yeah and multiple desktops means more updates, more bandwidth etc (and can be confusing menu wise, as multiple text editors (gedit for gnome, leafpad for lxde, mousepad to xfce .. - all do same thing, but use libs already in memory thus keeping speed; the many options is confusing at first!)
[09:12] <adikwok> guiverc_d: how to streamline it more? ..
[09:12] <adikwok> what can be masked or uninstalled so i get more speed.
[09:13] <adikwok> guiverc_d: thank you for your humble helped today, .. regards from me, adi kwok, jakarta, indonesia.
[09:15] <adikwok> guiverc_d: is there a way to reduce dekstop to lxde and gnome only? i had ubuntu, gnome xorg, gnome classic, openbox, lxde
[09:16] <adikwok> guiverc_d: will it gonna make memory consumed less if i had only gnome and lxde?
[09:17] <adikwok> guiverc_d: so i guess it made me could try xfce, . if it wont break previous gnome settings
[09:17] <adikwok> cause in lxde i could not set brightness yet.
[09:17] <guiverc_d> adikwok, i more pointed than helped; but it's my preference (I prefer working out things myself, so I point to things like I want..) ... gnome is big & it's what I'd remove; but it can corrupt your system if not removed correctly (you'll be gaining disk space more than memory; it's only using memory when running, or you've logged in with gnome).  i don't know all your issues, but removing gnome (which includes gnome
[09:17] <guiverc_d> classic etc) can be tricky & I'd not want to advise
[09:19] <bluesceada> adikwok, it will only make a difference if you start the programs from another DE, depending on what background services that will start
[09:20] <bluesceada> but unfortunately to me it seems inevitable to do it ... for instance the only pdf viewer that has reasonable support for annotations is okular from kde
[09:20] <adikwok> guiverc_d: better keep it as it is, .. i love gnome, because its futuristic design, i guess.
[09:21] <adikwok> honestly .. what made me wanna try ubuntu is gnome-desktop appearance. when i looked in the computer store, someone installed ubuntu bionic beaver with gnome
[09:21] <adikwok> unfortunately, my old laptop can not get full power when using gnome
[09:22] <bluesceada> you can style most desktop environments to your liking ...
[09:22] <adikwok> guiverc_d: now, .. its back and gained more speed than my old win 7 readyboost 32gb ..
[09:23] <adikwok> bluesceada: now i only can login to lxde, .. i can not switch to gnome.. i dont know how to make it
[09:24] <bluesceada> sudo apt-get install gnome-session ?
[09:24] <adikwok> i can only login to lxde, openbox .. when i tried login to gnome or ubuntu.. it kept me back to login screen
[09:24] <adikwok> bluesceada: ok, i try now
[09:25] <bluesceada> if you want more, "gnome-desktop" is probably the package that pulls more other packages/dependencies in
[09:26] <bluesceada> but making it back to login screen seems there is something messed up ...
[09:26] <adikwok> bluesceada: gnome-session is already the newest version (3.28.1-0ubuntu3).
[09:26] <bluesceada> ok, so what kind of customizations did you do
[09:27] <isene> test
[09:27] <Urbanecm> Hi, I have `search` directive in auto-generated /etc/resolv.conf. How to prohibit Ubuntu (perhaps DHCP client?) from adding any domains into it? It causes `$ host somenonexistentdomain.com` to timeout and not return NXDOMAIN.
[09:27] <adikwok> bluesceada: thats what i dont know which . since i am noob, i read askubuntu, try this and that , tweak this and that,.. and i dont know what i did
[09:27] <bluesceada> maybe you did too much...
[09:27] <adikwok> bluesceada: absolutely too much
[09:28] <bluesceada> save your home directory and reinstall...
[09:28] <bluesceada> might be the easiest for you
[09:28] <adikwok> bluesceada: took 30 days more for me to set up gnome, till i get desperate and tried lxde
[09:28] <adikwok> bluesceada: if reinstall, ..all settings will be gone?
[09:29] <bluesceada> nope, they are all in your home directory
[09:29] <bluesceada> at least the settings from your user which are not on system level
[09:29] <bluesceada> not sure about saved networks for example
[09:30] <bluesceada> but the GUI settings and program settings are all in your home
[09:30] <bluesceada> just all the package installations you have to do again..
[09:30] <zetheroo> if I execute the Java file from my home dir with 'java -jar /home/eb/IPMIView/IPMIView20.jar' it opens it differently than if I execute the same file from inside
[09:30] <zetheroo> that folder with 'java -jar IPMIView20.jar'
[09:31] <zetheroo> what gives? :/
[09:32] <afx_> I have applied factorial scaling using gnome-tweaks tool on 18.04. Is there a way to apply this scaling to only one monitor?
[09:32] <bluesceada> zetheroo, ask in a java channel
[09:35] <guiverc_d> adikwok, if you install using 'something else' (selecting your partition(s) & ensuring you do NOT have format ticked), the system will only wipe (erase) system directories (not touching your /home or your directories), and at end will attempt to re-install any programs you've added data. I would be tempted to do it too as bluesceada suggested, but you must be careful to not select 'format' or an option that causes
[09:35] <guiverc_d> format (why I choose something-else; format is easier to pick in my opinion)
[09:35] <ducasse> afx_: there's a hidpi page on the arch wiki, it has a bit about scaling. look at that.
[09:40] <bluesceada> adikwok, <guiverc_d> adikwok, if you install using 'something else' (selecting your partition(s) & ensuring you do NOT have format ticked), the system will only wipe (erase) system directories (not touching your /home or your directories), and at end will attempt to re-install any programs you've added data. I would be tempted to do it too as bluesceada suggested, but you must be careful to not select 'format' or an option that causes
[09:40] <bluesceada> format (why I choose something-else; format is easier to pick in my opinion)
[09:40] <bluesceada> adikwok, and ... be careful to really back up your whole home directory
[09:41] <bluesceada> not just copying the files, would be better to make an archive that preserves permissions of your /home/username
[09:42] <adikwok> bluesceada: i tried several times to re-installed ub, . now my rootname is ub5.
[09:42] <bluesceada> i guess it is not your rootname ...
[09:42] <bluesceada> the root user can only be called root
[09:42] <bluesceada> and per default the root user is deactivated in ubuntu
[09:42] <ducasse> adikwok: the gnome settings in your homedir could also be what is preventing login
[09:42] <adikwok> bluesceada: i did with 'something else' .. and it happened, that i only had 15gb as /
[09:43] <adikwok> while my hdd is 80gb
[09:43] <bluesceada> like, not deactivated, but you can only indirectly get a root shell
[09:43] <ducasse> bluesceada: root is any user with uid 0
[09:43] <bluesceada> i know
[09:44] <adikwok> ducasse: my user id i read in the boot, is 121
[09:44] <bluesceada> adikwok, then something is really messed up
[09:44] <adikwok> ducasse: the gnome settings in your homedir .. i tried this $HOME/.config/lxde-rc.xml
[09:44] <adikwok> bluesceada: really messed up
[09:45] <bluesceada> your standard user id after installation 1000
[09:45] <bluesceada> is 1000
[09:45] <adikwok> yet, i can still feel the power of ubuntu :]
[09:46] <adikwok> bluesceada: im curious to find how to set brightness in lxde like i could do in gnome with fn -> or fn <-----
[09:46] <bluesceada> those are all global shortcuts
[09:47] <bluesceada> typically DEs make this easy to set, for lxde you might need an extra tool ...
[09:47] <DarwinElf> on Kubuntu, I'm trying to make some CDs/DVDs to try various BSD on an old computer that can't boot from USB.  K3B made the DVD right.  However when I tried making a CD (smaller ISO) K3B says cdrecord does not have permission to use that drive.  What have the developers set for DVDs but forgot to set for CDs, that I need to update?
[09:47] <adikwok> bluesceada: where to set that global shortcuts? i need to enable ctrl+alt+t to for terminal
[09:47] <bluesceada> adikwok, these are not generic to set, that is different in every DE
[09:47] <adikwok> bluesceada: i see ..
[09:47] <bluesceada> but there are quite low level tools, maybe it was xbindkeys, iirc
[09:48] <bluesceada> but that might then only work for Xorg and not wayland...
[09:48] <adikwok> bluesceada: i remember i used Xorg
[09:49] <adikwok> or is there a way to find out which one im using now? Xorg or wayland
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> DarwinElf: try to burn 'plop boot manager' on a cdrom, with that you can boot usb's from very old systems
[09:49] <DarwinElf> no, that's overkill.  I just want this fixed
[09:49] <DarwinElf> there are other situtations I will write to CD rather than DVD
[09:49] <adikwok> lotuspsychje: hello sir/madam .. thank you for your previous guidance for setting ubuntu ..
[09:49] <DarwinElf> and I just said, I can't write to the CD!
[09:50] <adikwok> bluesceada: i will try xbindkeys
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> adikwok: thank you, but cant recall what i did anymore :p
[09:50] <sonOfRa> zetheroo: basically, all these ipmi and other things are so damn old, they are unlikely to ever work with java>9. Install openjdk-8-jdk and use that. If you are on Cosmic, and the ipmi thing uses javafx, you need to install the oracle 8 jdk, because of this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjfx/+bug/1799946
[09:50] <sonOfRa> On Bionic, Openjdk-8 with openjfx will work, but on Cosmic, openjfx is only compatible with openjdk-11
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> burn | DarwinElf
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> !burn | DarwinElf
[09:51] <zetheroo> sonOfRa: But it does work if I run it from within the folder with 'java -jar'
[09:51] <adikwok> lotuspsychje: me too, sir, .. i just remember your nickname, the one who helped me after you, i forgot the nick, he /she helped me to use fdisk and cfdisk or what to rearrange my partition
[09:51] <DarwinElf> I already mentioned K3B.  No reason to just repeat what I said on an even more basic level
[09:51] <sonOfRa> eh no idea then
[09:51] <sonOfRa> I'd probably just run it from within the folder then and forget this ever happened
[09:51] <zetheroo> sonOfRa: I have IPMI View (from Supermicro) downloaded on my laptop (Ubuntu 18.04) and I can open the IPMIView20.jar file with OpenJDK Java 11 Runtime, but the KVM console never works. However if I start the same jar file from terminal with 'java -jar IPMIView20.jar' the added IPMI devices are all gone (so I have to re-add them) but the KVM console works.
[09:52] <zetheroo> sonOfRa: in the IPMI folder there is a 'jre' folder ... is it possible there is another version of java shipped with IPMI?
[09:53] <DarwinElf> never mind, got a more detailed answer outside of Ubuntu discussion areas
[09:55] <afx_> ducasse, thank you ~
[09:57] <sonOfRa> zetheroo: possible, yes. These ipmi/remote kvm/whatever tools are generally weird and bad
[09:57] <sonOfRa> I'd just go with whatever works and not worry about it, more hassle than it's worth in general
[09:59] <zetheroo> ok, which means making a simple bash script to cd into the dir and execute it with 'java -jar ... '  - can do
[10:45] <RickRNF> Hi, I'm having trouble Writing to my second HDD. It's saying I don't have permission to. I ran "sudo mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1" so I think only root can write to it. I tried "sudo chown -R user:user /dev/sdb1" and "sudo chmod -R 777 /dev/sdb1" (also tried both with /dev/sdb) and I'm still unable to write to the drive. Anyone know what I can do?
[10:45] <RefractiveIndex> I'm trying to edit the network config to change DNS on my Ubuntu 18.04 using the following guide.
[10:45] <RefractiveIndex> https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-set-dns-nameservers-in-ubuntu-server-18-04/
[10:46] <RefractiveIndex> But instead of finding the file 01-netcfg.yaml
[10:46] <RefractiveIndex> I found 01-network-manager-all.yaml
[10:47] <RefractiveIndex> Should I add the nameservers here itself?
[10:48] <guiverc_d> RickRNF, the mkfs = make filesystem, you then tried to chmod to a device (/dev/sdb1) where normally you chmod (change mode) to files/directories or a filesystem, not a device.   I suspect your issue is you haven't `mount`ed the filesystem found on /dev/sdb1
[10:48] <RickRNF> I have mounted it
[10:50] <guiverc_d> well your chmod should have been to your mounted directory, not the device (what you said was you tried to chmod device /dev/sdb1/  which won't be where you mounted it)
[10:50] <EriC^^> RickRNF: as mentioned you need to chmod or chown the mountpoint not the device file
[10:56] <RickRNF> chown the mount point worked, thank you both! I did try to chmod the mount point earlier(thought I tried chown too, but history doesn't show it), but I either did something wrong or it needed to be chown
[10:57] <guiverc_d> :)
[11:04] <coldpress> hey all, I've copied a partition with a new UUID to my HDD, then update-grub. Grub menu shows correct UUID corresponding to copied partition. But when I choose that, it boots the source partition instead!
[11:05] <coldpress> source partition is on SSD, both SSD and HDD are internal to computer
[11:12] <EriC^^> coldpress: can you pastebin "sudo blkid; cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[11:18] <coldpres1> EriC^^: https://pastebin.com/HA1a9zR4
[11:19] <coldpres1> should I manually edit fstab? UUID seems to be the old UUID
[11:21] <solsTiCe> coldpres1: you should change the UUID of your new partition
[11:21] <solsTiCe> and re-run update-grub
[11:22] <Pizzaburger> Hi! I'm having issues installing mint 19 with encryption on SSD. I get 'grub-efi-amd64-signed package failed to install into /target/'. I had manjaro on encrypted SSD before. Deleted all partitions before installation on mint live. Thanks!
[11:23] <guiverc_d> !mint | Pizzaburger, this is Ubuntu support, and Mint is not Ubuntu.  Try a mint support room
[11:23] <EriC^^> coldpres1: can you explain what you did and what you're trying to achieve?
[11:23] <coldpres1> i'm trying to grow a boot partition to 512MB, because 128MB was too small for 3 kernels
[11:24] <coldpres1> to do that, i need to run gparted from either a liveUSB or another drive
[11:26] <solsTiCe> coldpres1: are you sure you did not confused the 2 grub menu entries ?
[11:27] <coldpres1> solsTiCe: i think the pastebin is pretty clear, `search ... --set=root <UUID>` is the new UUID, while `linux <UUID>` is the old UUID
[11:28] <solsTiCe> yes I was reading that
[11:28] <coldpres1> there was no manual editing, file was automatically output by update-grub
[11:29] <EriC^^> coldpres1: what about the whole copying uuid to hdd stuff?
[11:30] <coldpres1> EriC^^: because i want a linux distro on my second drive, so i copied my entire ubuntu partition to the second drive and assigned a new UUID
[11:30] <EriC^^> coldpres1: from what you said, i gather (just a guess) that you have an install, you copied it to another partition and changed its uuid, and you're attempting to boot it (with part partitions still available)
[11:30] <coldpres1> exactly
[11:30] <EriC^^> coldpres1: ok, you need to change fstab cause it'll be mounting the old root fs
[11:30] <coldpres1> right, wish me luck
[11:35] <coldpress> EriC^^: many thanks! too bad my hard drive is too slow to run it
[11:36] <coldpress> anyone knows the cause of `error: not a valid root device`, coming from `chainloader /EFI/BOOT/grubx64.efi` in grub? I've already `set root=(hd0,gpt1)`, where hd0 is a FAT32 liveUSB
[11:38] <coldpress> aye nomodeset made it usable
[11:42] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:37] <mIk3_08> have to go guys. see you mañana...
[12:47] <r3m1> hello
[12:54] <Mrokii> Hello. I have an hp printer (which worked on a former system-installation). The current one available on the HP-website isn't compatible with 18.10, as it seems. So I've tried to install hplip via synaptic. However, in the printer dialog, the printer is shown as "ready" but with the remark: File "/usr/lib/cups/filter/hpcups" not available: No such file or directy.
[12:54] <Mrokii> So I wonder what to do about that...
[12:56] <coldpres1> is it normal for ubuntu to hang on shutdown/reboot/waking from suspend?
[12:56] <lotus|NUC> Mrokii: did you install hplip-data and hplip-gui ?
[12:56] <Mrokii> lotus|NUC: yes.
[12:57] <lotus|NUC> Mrokii: reboot after?
[12:57] <Mrokii> lotus|NUC: No, I didn't.
[12:57] <lotus|NUC> Mrokii: try, perhaps a cups glitch?
[12:58] <lotus|NUC> coldpres1: hang where exactly?
[12:58] <Mrokii> lotus|NUC: I can try.
[12:58] <coldpres1> lotus|NUC: immediately after issuing one of these commands: `shutdown now`, `reboot`, `pm-suspend`
[12:59] <lotus|NUC> coldpres1: try to log the errors with a tail -f /var/log/syslog
[12:59] <lotus|NUC> coldpres1: or when you shutdow, press F1 for text shutdown to see where it hangs
[12:59] <coldpres1> that's helpful, will try
[13:04] <coldpress> lotus|NUC: i get a black screen with backlight on shutdown, F1 does nothing
[13:05] <lotus|NUC> coldpress: thats weird indeed! wich ubuntu version is that
[13:05] <coldpress> alt-PScr-REISUB works though
[13:05] <coldpress> 18.04.1, though i recall having issues with suspend on 16.04.3
[13:06] <lotus|NUC> coldpress: could be your hardware specific acpi issues
[13:06] <lotus|NUC> coldpress: you might wanna di in your dmesg/syslog
[13:06] <lotus|NUC> dig
[13:07] <scoopex> are there any known problem with systems upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04 regarding ssh? it seems that the script /etc/init.d/ssh (which still exists) is not used anymore and sshd is started directly. therefore /run/sshd is not created and provilege separation fails......
[13:14] <blackflow> scoopex: what does   systemctl status ssh.service say?  is the systemd unit used, or sysv generator?
[13:19] <Siamaster> yesterday, I installed unity for Ubuntu. Today, it doesn't start, it's stuck on the loading screen. So I'm trying to uninstall it. I was able to uninstall previous version with "sudo dpkg --purge unity-editor". But this time, unity-editor is not found
[13:20] <Siamaster> and the installer is empty when I run it to, so I can't reinstall it through the installer
[13:20] <Siamaster> so I'm guessing there are some files somewhere that indicates that it's already installed
[13:20] <Siamaster> where should I look?
[13:22] <Siamaster> I even ran apt list --installed and couldn't find something that would be unity3d, there are some packages that I think has to do with the Unity user interface
[13:23] <Siamaster> never, the installer works now :S
[13:42] <stevecam> After all these years, I have never compiled a deb-source file, anyone got any thoughts?
[13:44] <gpunk> yes, google :)
[13:45] <seckarma> lol compile a deb file? you mean install it?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> most compile from source files have readme text files with clear instructions how to compile build and which associated apps like make etc are required
[13:52] <Miar> Bumping this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1802052
[14:16] <BunBun> Hello All,  trying to upgrade my Ubuntu 1604 to 18  via the "do-release-upgrade" command.      running into the following Fetching errors....   I have done apt-get update / upgrade
[14:17] <BunBun> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 libc6-dev amd64 2.27-3ubuntu1
[14:17] <BunBun> Connection failed [IP: 91.189.91.23 80]
[14:19] <gpunk> can redo apt-update and see if there are errors
[14:19] <gpunk> ?
[14:20] <BluesKaj> BunBun, change your repos source
[14:20] <BunBun> Blueskaj,  what should I change it to?
[14:20] <BluesKaj> the main UK source should work
[14:21] <BunBun> because that URL it complains about actually does exist
[14:21] <BunBun> so replace US.  with UK.  ?
[14:21] <BluesKaj> it might be down
[14:21] <BunBun> last 5 days
[14:23] <BluesKaj> configure software sources, choose main-server
[14:23] <BunBun> running cli only... I'll updated the sources list file..
[14:24] <BluesKaj> in your package managfer
[14:25] <BluesKaj> it's a good idea to have synaptic or muon installed ...I don't use gnome so I've forgotten what the default package maanger is
[14:26] <BunBun> Thanks... trying now...
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: gnome-software in gnome
[14:28] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, is it buggy like discover is
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: did not test discover myself, but works pretty decent on gnome
[14:31] <BluesKaj> it's hopeless on kde/plasma
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[14:32] <BluesKaj> I use muon as a package reference , it still works well
[14:37] <RNM> Hi guys, I freshly formated my PC with linux. I downloaded Java JDK (tar.gz file). extract to /opt/java/jdk8 and use "alternatives" from /sbin/ to map java and javac to /opt/java/jdk8/ . load eclipse and I notice it compile my java and run launcher (run my code) are so slow. Anyone experiece something like this?
[14:37] <BunBun> Same fetching erorrs...   Err http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 libc6-dev amd64 2.27-3ubuntu1
[14:37] <BunBun>   Connection failed [IP: 91.189.88.149 80]
[14:37] <BunBun> Fetched 0 B in 0s (0 B/s)
[14:37] <Slartibart> I need to build - an old version of - a package that doesn't support current openssl, but requires like 0.9.8.. Would it be a bad idea to even think about somehow removing my current openssl and install 0.9.8 for this?
[14:38] <jayjo> does `ps` only show processes spawned by the current process and not the whole machines?
[14:40] <Slartibart> jayjo: Check the switches, there's a lot of them for process selection. But in general, ps without switches lists fewer processes, I think
[14:48] <leftyfb> RNM: I would suggest using the java packages from the ppa as opposed to the tarball
[14:48] <stevenm> hey in 16.04 I could do split DNS (e.g. anything for blahblah.com should use alt DNS server of 1.2.3.4 - for any else - use the normal system dns settings)  by adding files in /etc/NetworkManager/dnsmasq.d/
[14:48] <stevenm> but in 18.04 I think this is now all handled by systemd - what would be the equivalent?
[14:52] <RNM> i using other distro actully :P,  just trying luck asking here. I suspecting some other linux process are blocking java/javac performance
[14:56] <Triffid_Hunter> RNM: java stuff is always slow in my experience.. also your distro should have a package for oracle jdk available somewhere, no need to put it manually
[15:05] <lcb> Hello. How to completely disable as well bypassing login dialog after menu-System Tools | Users and Groups | Password:  "Not asked on login". [Lubuntu minimal installation (GTK part) 18.04.1 LTS -  4.15.0-38-generic kern  i686]
[15:13] <kalcso> Guys how can I add a branch of github as a ppa in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[15:16] <hggdh> kalcso: I sort of doubt -- this branch would have to implement a repository, and provide binary packages
[15:16] <Mathisen> kalcso, why do you need to that if i may ask ?
[15:17] <Mathisen> *to do
[15:18] <kalcso> Mathisen: Cause I wanna have latest version of nautilus (3.3)
[15:21] <hggdh> kalcso: then you will have to build it yourself, or find a PPA that provides it. Warning: (1) PPAs are not supported, and (2) Gnome applications generally have (many) other dependencies
[15:24] <kalcso> Is there any repository which is official for nautilus?
[15:24] <kalcso> I have just this link, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/gnome-3-30
[15:25] <kalcso> I built once with gnome build.
[15:27] <leftyfb> kalcso: you might try #gnome. We only support deb packages here. Not building from source.
[15:29] <jlacroix> Hello everyone. I am using Ubuntu 18.04, last I checked, ed_25519 keys aren't supported in Gnome keyring. Is that fixed in 18.10? I am open to alternatives to Gnome keyring also
[15:31] <lordcirth_work> jlacroix, I've never really used a GUI keyring.  What features do you need?
[15:31] <lordcirth_work> ie what's the workflow here?
[15:32] <jlacroix> lordcirth_work I just like the keyring being unlocked when I log in to my computer. Not a requirement, just a convenience.
[15:36] <lordcirth_work> jlacroix, I don't see any other keyrings that support it that wouldn't pull in a bunch of deps
[15:36] <jlacroix> Makes sense. Maybe I'll just find a way to background ssh-agent then,. Thanks
[15:42] <Doll_Builder> are dialogs configurable?
[15:46] <compdoc> some things can be tweaked, but Ive never seen that dialog boxes are
[15:48] <lordcirth_work> Doll_Builder, what do you want to change?
[15:50] <Doll_Builder> the location of dialog buttons.
[15:51] <lordcirth_work> Like, swapping Ok/Cancel?
[15:51] <Doll_Builder> every other operating system has them on the bottom
[15:51] <Doll_Builder> mac, windows, linux mint.
[15:51] <lotuspsychje_> Doll_Builder: try some themes?
[15:52] <lordcirth_work> Can you give me an example of a dialog box I could trigger that you don't like?
[15:52] <Doll_Builder> a file save one?
[15:52] <Doll_Builder> I think Ubuntu mate is the answer.
[15:53] <lordcirth_work> Ok, so I'm on XFCE here and Cancel/Ok are bottom-right.  They are on top in Gnome 3?
[15:53] <Doll_Builder> yup.
[15:53] <lordcirth_work> Starting a VM
[15:53] <Doll_Builder> it's as stupid as installing a Dvorak keyboard by default.
[15:56] <Doll_Builder> Ubuntu Mate gives a desktop like gnome2,   which is my answer I think.
[15:56] <lotuspsychje_> Doll_Builder: yeah use the flavor suits you best
[15:57] <lotuspsychje_> Doll_Builder: or try some windowmanagers you like
[15:57] <Doll_Builder> I read some of the history on the forums,  it seems that just like microsoft,  they fcked the desktop to support phones.
[15:58] <lotuspsychje_> Doll_Builder: for discussions try #ubuntu-discuss
[15:59] <Doll_Builder> thank you for the link lotuspsychje_ :)
[16:00] <hellhound> hey guys I know there's an Ubuntu-specific command to paste the piped output to a pastie.com like web, what's the command?
[16:00] <bane500> So i'm running ubuntu server 18.04.1, i installed ifupdown and removed netplan.io ...now i'm getting an grub error saying 'unknown filesystem'
[16:01] <blackflow> bane500: removed netplan how?
[16:01] <Ool> !paste
[16:02] <hellhound> thanks Ool!
[16:02] <bane500> blackflow:
[16:02] <bane500> systemctl stop networkd-dispatcher
[16:02] <bane500> systemctl disable networkd-dispatcher
[16:02] <bane500> systemctl mask networkd-dispatcher
[16:02] <bane500> apt-get purge nplan netplan.io
[16:03] <zerodefect> I'm running 18.04.1 with Xfce, but I want to utilize a newer version of FFmpeg. I've built FFmpeg from source. I believe (but could be wrong) that by default ffmpeg .so libs are installed. If I create a debian pkg (.deb) from my compiled binaries I've built and install that, am I going to cause instability ?
[16:04] <blackflow> bane500: did removal of netplan.io take out anything else along with ubuntu-minimal ?
[16:04] <bane500> blackflow: just ubuntu-minimal
[16:04] <blackflow> bane500: maybe you just need to refresh initramfs  (update-initramfs -u)
[16:05] <bane500> hmmm
[16:05] <tarzeau> zerodefect: unlikely. that's what i do very often
[16:06] <tarzeau> zerodefect: so you took a newer ffmpeg deb source package from debian sid? and rebuilt that, installed the built debs?
[16:07] <blackflow> bane500: well that error sounds like it's missing some rather very important kernel modules, so I was wondering if removal of netplan pulled out anything else, besides ubuntu-minimal which is a hard-dep
[16:07] <zerodefect> Yeah, I wasn't very clear. So I've pulled down the source code and built the binaries myself. I had intentions to use 'checkinstall' to install newly compiled binaries.
[16:07] <bane500> blackflow: yeah, i may have found a fix... attempting it now
[16:08] <bane500> will share if it works
[16:09] <blackflow> zerodefect: yea you shouldn't install stuff like that manually, clobbering system files outside of the package manager. you will _likely_ cause problems, yes.
[16:10] <blackflow> ideally you want what tarzeau hinted at. take the src deb, bump the version, adjust any other option you need
[16:11] <zerodefect> @blackflow: Ok. I'm pleased I checked :) I need to learn a tiny bit and go away and try it out.
[16:11] <zerodefect> Out of curiosity, how do FFmpeg devs handle those sorts of matters? Would they just dev/test in a sandbox (and never install) ?
[16:12] <blackflow> yeah probably with custom --prefix
[16:13] <zerodefect> Ok. Makes sense. Thanks for your assistance. I might be back.
[16:13] <ash_worksi> what do you call portion of the bar where various icons show up reflecting applications that are running in the background (skype for example)
[16:13] <ash_worksi> on the top left of the screen
[16:14] <blackflow> ash_worksi: top *LEFT* ?
[16:15] <blackflow> at anyrate "icons reflecting apps running in the background" is most likely system tray
[16:15] <ash_worksi> oops
[16:15] <ash_worksi> *RIGHT*
[16:15] <blackflow> something gnome3 is getting rid of by default so you need an extension
[16:15]  * ash_worksi is dyslexic 
[16:16] <ash_worksi> um... okay, so what is "something" called?
[16:16] <ash_worksi> oh
[16:16] <ash_worksi> missed a mesage
[16:17] <ash_worksi> thanks blackflow
[16:17] <blackflow> yw
[16:18] <ash_worksi> when will I be able to install gnome extensions from the console instead of through a browser?
[16:18] <ash_worksi> :P
[16:19] <blackflow> ash_worksi: install gnome-tweak-tool and I think there's a package for all|some|many extra extensions
[16:21] <ash_worksi> yeah, but for some things you still need to go through the browser :(
[16:24] <ash_worksi> actually the only things I see under "extensions" for gnome tweak is "ubuntu appindicators" and "ubuntu dock"
[16:25] <blackflow> ash_worksi: hence the gnome-shell-extensions package, I think it's called like that
[16:25] <blackflow> !info gnome-shell-extensions
[16:25] <blackflow> oh, aye.
[16:29] <bane500> blackflow: so now i'm reinstalling since it was a fresh install anyhow... here is the default partitioning scheme... https://snag.gy/t8eDZ2.jpg
[16:29] <bane500> blackflow: Does everything look okay there? Or should I install grub on the root and not have a separate partition
[16:30] <rkantos> Any idea how I can omit the static routes when using the dhcp-client?
[16:30] <rkantos> I'm having the same issues as here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/397368/prevent-eth0-from-adding-default-route
[16:32] <ddoobb> Hey guys I edited /etc/passwd as per a tutorial to change my home directory. I switched it to an empty directory to troubleshoot something. Now I can't login. What to do.
[16:36] <leftyfb> ddoobb: boot into recovery mode
[16:37] <BunBun> Hey guys, still no go on updating my 16.04 to 18 via the  "do-release-upgrade" command...     I have tried numerous sources but get the same Fetching Error message....
[16:37] <BunBun> Fetching
[16:37] <BunBun> Err http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 libc6-dev amd64 2.27-3ubuntu1
[16:37] <BunBun>   Connection failed [IP: 91.189.88.161 80]
[16:39] <ddoobb> How do you even change your home directory btw, I was told this was easy.
[16:42] <tgm4883> ddoobb: assuming you can't even login from the command line (ctrl-alt-f2) then I would boot into recovery mode
[16:42] <tgm4883> !recovery | ddoobb
[16:42] <tgm4883> of course leftyfb beat me too it by minutes and I somehow missed their response :)
[16:43] <leftyfb> ddoobb: make sure your user has permissions to the new home directory
[16:43] <tgm4883> leftyfb: beat me to it again!
[16:43]  * tgm4883 goes back to lurking
[16:44] <ddoobb> I set it to a directory inside my current sub directory, so I guess it does have permission
[16:45] <ddoobb> Sorry I mean inside my current /home directory
[16:45] <tgm4883> ddoobb: without seeing any logs, it would be tough to say why it didn't work
[16:46] <ddoobb> Does it need some Does it need some files to be there inside the home directory? Maybe it's not working because it's empty?
[16:47] <leftyfb> ddoobb: is the new directory in /home or in /home/$USER ?
[16:47] <ddoobb> The latter
[16:48] <leftyfb> ddoobb: why are you doing this?
[16:50] <ddoobb> I went from 16.10 to 18.04 fresh install but kept my old home partition. But some things that were working fine earlier are not working now on this new 18.04 system, such as hibernation which is crucial to me. There are also some word issues like Firefox opens by itself on startup. I wanted to see if this is due to all the messy config files from m
[16:50] <ddoobb> y previous home partition.
[16:51] <pragmaticenigma> ddoobb: Any easier way to have verified that would have been to create a new user for the system and loging as that new user
[16:52] <ddoobb> Yeah I'm referring not doing that now :(
[16:52] <ddoobb> Regretting
[16:55] <ddoobb> leftyfb: was it supposed to be /home instead of /home/$USER?
[16:56] <leftyfb> ddoobb: boot into recovery mode. Edit your /etc/passwd and put it back the way it was. Boot normally. Create a new user and run your tests
[16:58] <bane500> alright so i did a fresh install of ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS server, upgraded to latest packages and reboot
[16:59] <bane500> now i;m receiving an error saying that i need to load the kernel first
[16:59] <bane500> essentially, I can't get past the grub menu
[17:00] <bane500> sssss
[17:04] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | bane500
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> bane500: ubuntu-server issues you can ask in #ubuntu-server if you like
[17:06] <BunBun> Because I'm getting Fetching Errors trying to upgrade to 18.  Is there a way to manually download file and place it so that the upgrade can procede?     This is the file.....
[17:06] <BunBun> Err http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 libc6-dev amd64 2.27-3ubuntu1
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> BunBun: pastebin the whole output of: sudo apt update please
[17:09] <BunBun> ok
[17:10] <BunBun> sudo apt update
[17:10] <BunBun> [sudo] password for administrator:
[17:10] <BunBun> Hit:1 http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease
[17:10] <BunBun> Get:2 http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security InRelease [107 kB]
[17:10] <BunBun> Get:3 http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates InRelease [109 kB]
[17:10] <BunBun> Get:4 http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-proposed InRelease [260 kB]
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> !paste | BunBun
[17:13] <BunBun> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ykMG5RvZYk/
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> BunBun: update your system first, before upgrading
[17:14] <Lope> Any recommendations for a cheap 802.11ac USB wifi adapter that can do AP mode in 5ghz?
  Do you mean with sudo apt-get update   and   sudo apt-get upgrade?  because i have done that several times...
[17:16] <jdeen> I have a Ubuntu 16.04 server that I would like to reconfigure to have a time zone PST
[17:16] <BunBun> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SnjV5hRTq7/
[17:16] <Irritiable|LT> I prefer: sudo > apt update && apt upgrade && apt dist-upgrade && apt autoremove && apt-get clean && sync
[17:17] <Irritiable|LT> sync/rsync
[17:17] <Irritiable|LT> @BunBun
[17:17] <jdeen> I have a Ubuntu 16.04 server that I would like to reconfigure to have a time zone PST, I tried "sudo timedatectl set-timezone PST" but it said invalid time zone. I also tried "PT". How can I set it to PST?
[17:18] <BunBun> @IIrritiable will try it thanks...
[17:18] <Irritiable|LT> @BunBun: Log in as sudo first...
[17:18] <Irritiable|LT> sudo su <password> apt update && apt upgrade && apt dist-upgrade && apt autoremove && apt-get clean && sync
[17:18] <rfm> jdeen:  try "dpkg-reconfigure  tzdata"
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> BunBun: are you behind a firewall or router block?
[17:19] <rfm> jdeen, it will give you a menu.
[17:19] <BunBun> No Firewall.....
[17:19] <BunBun> I can access the offending URL with my browser...
[17:19] <Irritiable|LT> Why do you want to use Ubuntu 18? :o
[17:20] <BunBun> I need because a tool  need requires Python 3
[17:20] <BunBun> Python 3.7
[17:20] <Irritiable|LT> Oh.
[17:21] <apb1963> ubuntu 16.04; I'm getting "bleed-through" from windows that do not exist.  On this hexchat window for example, I see 3 small windows that bleed-through from behind.  Behind is an empty desktop with a background pic.  At first I thought the problem was with firefox as that's where I first saw it.  The worst part is, those areas with the bleedtrhough are "dead zones".  The mouse will not activate while over those areas; for
[17:21] <apb1963> example if in gedit, those areas on the screen have a pointer where it should be an I-beam.  Here's a sample screenshot:  https://paste.pics/82088a2c9285f74b37a69bba8cc922f3
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> Irritiable|LT: please, if a user wants to install ubuntu
[17:21] <jdeen> @rmf Thank you, I will try it.
[17:21] <rfm> jdeen, otherwise "timedatectl set-timezone America/Los_Angeles"  would be the ticket
[17:21] <Irritiable|LT> BunBun: Python 3.7 doesn't work on whatever distro you're on...?
[17:24] <jdeen> @rfm `dpkg-reconfigure` worked.. Thanks (Y)
[17:27] <ash_worksi> probably not the place to ask, but is there a way to configure terminator to open new tabs next to the current one?
[17:28] <compdoc> terminator? whats that
[17:30] <blackflow> that tilable terminal probably
[17:31] <ash_worksi> yeah
[17:32] <ash_worksi> blackflow: not a fan?
[17:33] <blackflow> nope. I fan urxvt under i3wm
[17:41] <WhiskerBiscuit> I'm running 18.04.  How can i find out what programs are running at system startup?
[17:41] <BunBun> Irritiable|LT:  I think your apt upgrade commands  might have done the trick.... upgrade to 18.04 is proceeding now....
[17:41] <WhiskerBiscuit> Google doesnt seem to return anything for 18.04 and termianl
[17:44] <tomreyn> WhiskerBiscuit: systemd-analyze blame && ps auxw
[17:44] <WhiskerBiscuit> tomreyn, thats a mouthful!  Thanks!
[17:48] <tomreyn> WhiskerBiscuit: welcome. note that systemd services are not strictly 'programs', but you can inspect what they do (looking at their declarations in /etc/systemd/ )
[17:49] <multifractal> New Dell XPS15 9570 Win10 only sees the hard drive in RAID mode, but Ubuntu installer only sees the disk in AHCI mode (even then Ubuntu installer fails with other disk errors).
[17:50] <multifractal> Also every time we try to shut down from Ubuntu or inside the live Ubutnu environment the system freezes and we have to power off manually.
[17:50] <multifractal> 16.04
[17:51] <rkantos> multifractal: which one is it supposed to be?
[17:52] <tomreyn> multifractal: "raid mode" is fakeraid, i don't recommend using it unless you have to (you might want to use it if you really need to dual boot)
[17:53] <multifractal> rkantos: laptop arrived in raid mode but as I say, ubuntu installer didn't see the disk in this mode.
[17:54] <tomreyn> multifractal: also check for availability of a bios update ( dmesg -t | grep ^DMI: ), which may help with the shutdown issue.
[17:54] <tomreyn> multifractal: 18.04 server installer may be able to handle this intel fake raid.
[17:56] <rkantos> I think these problems are cause by kernel/hw incompatibility, so especially with new hardware I would test the newest kernels or newest version of the distro (even development versions)
[17:57] <tomreyn> current dmraid versions (including those in 18.04) should be able to handle it.
[17:57] <tomreyn> (but again, i recommend against using it)
[18:01] <arooni> hey team; i'm booted into a live cd thing for my laptop; and having trouble resizing boot (/) partition w/ unallocated free space because the free space is on a separate partition:  thread herehttps://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2405575&p=13814833&posted=1#post13814833  .. ideas?
[18:02] <arooni> is there no way to resize the /dev/sda1 partition?
[18:02] <tgm4883> link for the lazy https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2405575&p=13814833&posted=1#post13814833
[18:02] <arooni> oh oops didnt mean to screw up the link
[18:03] <BunBun> Damn,  have "unmet" dependencies while running sudo apt upgrade......                    https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Dr2nwgV4wv/
[18:04] <tgm4883> arooni: so the easy answer might be to figure out what's taking up so much space on / and move it to another partition. If you really want to grow / you'll need to move your other partition first
[18:05] <BunBun> Any ideas how to fix unmet dependencies on the following  packages...    https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Dr2nwgV4wv/
[18:05] <arooni> tgm4883: so what should i do with the 3.42GB of unallocated space?  should i grow sda5 (/home) to be there?
[18:05] <arooni> tgm4883: and then create a new partition for say the data at the end of /home/ (sda5) that i could use for data when / seems to fill up?
[18:05] <tgm4883> arooni: what's the probably you are trying to solve? Is it "My / is full and I need to grow it" or "I have this extra piece of unallocated space, what should I do with it"
[18:05] <arooni> tgm4883: and ... how come i'd have to move all my other partitions, i thought the 3.42gb unallocated space was right next to /dev/sda1
[18:06] <arooni> tgm4883: my / is full and i need to grow it... hence i moved the /home partition to the right to create the 3.42 gb of free space.
[18:06] <arooni> tgm4883: i want to do the easiest thing, best thing for the ssd; fewest stupid writes etc
[18:06] <teward> arooni: we'd need to see the partition layout to get the idea of what exactly is where on the disk
[18:06] <tgm4883> arooni: it's not. It's inside an extended partition. I'm unsure if you could do that
[18:07] <tgm4883> arooni: it's not. It's inside an extended partition. I'm unsure if you could move it outside the extended partition easily
[18:07] <arooni> well like you folks said; maybe the best thing to do is try to shrink the / partition.
[18:07] <arooni> and grow the /home partition to take up the free space (3.42gb)
[18:08] <arooni> i guess i know about having a separate / and /home partition but didnt know you could have another partition to keep / data's on
[18:08] <tgm4883> arooni: honestly, that's what I would do in that situation. Figure out what is taking the up a significant amount of space and seeing if you can put it on another partition. eg. if /opt is taking a bunch of space on / then mount a new partition, move everything in /opt there then mount that partition at /opt
[18:09] <arooni> tgm4883: because ive got this stupid primary extended /logical thing.. is it easier to 1) create a new partition before /home/ (/sdev/sda5) or after /home ?
[18:10] <arooni> tgm4883: to say move stuff /opt/ to this newly created partition
[18:10] <tgm4883> arooni: create it wherever your free space is
[18:10] <arooni> tgm4883: so you're saying i could create just an ext4 partition where it is now and say move /opt/ or whatever is chunky in /
[18:10] <tgm4883> yep
[18:11] <tgm4883> arooni: I think there's a few things you wouldn't be able to do that with since it's on an extended partition (things like /boot)
[18:11] <arooni> ok that makes sense to me. ... if i needed to create new partitions from /home/ in the future, is there any advantage to moving it left/right (creating partition before or after)
[18:11] <tgm4883> but for the most part, yes you can move anything there
[18:11] <arooni> tgm4883: would i move that after i've booted or right now in the live cd mode
[18:12] <tgm4883> You could do it in the live cd, but you'd need to mount your partitions in order to do it
[18:13] <blackflow> arooni: advantage of partition placement? yes, stuff closer to the beginning (outer disk edge) is accessed faster, on spinning rust drives.   meanwhile, consider btrfs or zfs, they're pooled filesystems and you won't have partitioning headaches.
[18:14] <arooni> blackflow: if using a ssd; would it matter where the partition is? id think seek time would be the same if its falsh
[18:14] <arooni> flash
[18:14] <blackflow> it wouldn't for ssd, no.
[18:14] <arooni> is it 'bad' for a ssd to shrink/resize partitions?  i read somewhere it uses up writecycles
[18:15] <blackflow> nah. but try not to fill it up
[18:15] <tgm4883> you likely won't run into write cycle issues
[18:15] <arooni> is there anything bad i can do by labeling all my partitions while i have them unmounted?
[18:15] <blackflow> having unused blocks may help in wear leveling
[18:18] <arooni> so now i have that new partition created; i called it 'rootdata' how id tell ubuntu to look for say /opt there instead of on /
[18:19] <arooni> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/131311/moving-var-home-to-separate-partition this looks like itd cover it
[18:20] <timeless> i'm hitting https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=854404 (ubuntu xenial) -- anyone here familiar w/ the debian packaging policy?
[18:20] <timeless> i'm wondering if the postinst should be responsible for running `sa-compile`
[18:21] <blackflow> timeless: it does.
[18:21] <timeless> blackflow: you mean it does run sa-compile?
[18:21] <blackflow> yes. at least, it should, there's a postint hook and it says so during installation
[18:22] <timeless> i'm looking at /var/lib/dpkg/info/spamassassin.postinst -- what should i look for?
[18:22]  * timeless could be blind
[18:23] <timeless> it's also possible that the problem is just a temporary thing between the time when the upgrade starts and when it completes, i haven't investigated completely...
[18:23] <timeless> (I'm working from a logwatch log summary that shows the error)
[18:25] <blackflow> timeless: sa-compile is a separate package, dep of SA
[18:25] <tgm4883> timeless: it's in sa-compile.postinst
[18:26] <timeless> ok, i see those
[18:26]  * timeless ponders
[18:27] <timeless> so... i guess what's happening is spamassassin gets upgraded, which makes it incompatible w/ whatever is there (?), then sa-compile gets upgrade, and then the post for sa-compile runs, but in the middle, something talks to spamd and it hits this edge case, triggering the warning?
[18:27] <blackflow> timeless: btw, you're hitting this on ubuntu? xenial? after the recent update to 3.4.2?
[18:27] <timeless> Description:	Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS
[18:27] <timeless> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/qwvoH4zv/logwatch.log
[18:27] <blackflow> 3.4.2 does hashing differently, maybe you just need to re-run sa-update
[18:28] <timeless> we hit it for both debian and ubuntu, but you guys are friendly :-)
[18:28] <blackflow> that bit me on FreeBSD, but I didn't checkon Ubuntu, I just ran it anyway
[18:28] <timeless> i ended up just running sa-compile on each system because i'm used to running it
[18:28] <timeless> but, ideally i shouldn't need to, things should "just work (tm)"
[18:29] <timeless> i think it's really just a small race-condition window during which spamd/sa-compile are in inconsistent states and it works itself out
[18:29] <blackflow> sa-compile only does the built-in rules afaik. sa-update is what you need for regular maintenance
[18:30] <timeless> yeah, i saw mention of sa-update... i'll have to look into that later (is that something one sticks into cron.daily?)
[18:30] <timeless> but... i'm wondering if there's a way to get the upgrade process to not have this race-window
[18:30] <timeless> (am i crazy to think there is one?)
[18:30] <BunBun> Adding a repository...  what is wrong with this syntax , ubuntu tellming command not found                 sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/ppa
[18:31] <blackflow> timeless: it installs a cron task under crond.daily
[18:31] <blackflow> (a .daily task, not a  crontab of its own)
[18:31] <timeless> indeed, i see it
[18:32] <timeless> ok, so worst case even if the postinst hadn't done its job the daily would have
[18:32] <timeless> ok, so ... i'm pretty confident now that it's just a stupid race condition
[18:32] <blackflow> not sure what race it is. then again I shut down, upgrade, start    the services, I want 100% control of WHEN they're (re)Started
[18:32] <timeless> my systems (especially this ubuntu instance) are set for unattended updates
[18:32] <blackflow> if I hate anything with debian based systems is this stupid inane auto(re)start of services upon installation/upgrade.
[18:32] <blackflow> and you can't easily prevent it without borking maintainer scripts.
[18:33] <timeless> the script doesn't seem to stop spamassassin, i think it just upgrades it and restarts it
[18:33] <blackflow> it's still sysv init script, mind you. _still_.
[18:33] <timeless> i suspect that if it stopped it, upgraded, had sa upgrade, and then started spamd, the error i'm seeing would kinda go away
[18:33] <blackflow> which reminds me, I've been postponing to turn that into a systemd unit for quite some time now.
[18:34] <timeless> otoh, i'd probably just hit an error from the mail server complaining it can't talk to spamd
[18:34] <timeless> i.e. trade one problem for an equivalent problem
[18:34] <blackflow> timeless: probably. and your MTA will just defer until sa comes back -- if you have it in content_filter of your postfix :)
[18:34] <timeless> hmm
[18:34] <Schnabeltierchen> mhm i´m trying to make /sbin/alsa via sudoers-file accessible for a specific user, adding it with "<username> ALL=(ALL:ALL) /sbin/alsa" worked, but now it complains about accesrights to /var/run/alsa... is there another way then chaning the folderpermissions?
[18:34] <timeless> that seems /slightly/ preferable to the error i'm getting now, right?
[18:34] <blackflow> it'll complain but the mail will be deferred and re-queued after que retry time
[18:34] <ducasse> BunBun: make sure software-properties-common is installed
[18:35] <timeless> although i'm not sure i can imagine a proper way to get dpkg/apt to do what i'm describing
[18:35] <timeless> it doesn't seem totally unreasonable from a high level perspective, but from a dpkg unit perspective, i'm really not sure there's a way to do it
[18:35] <BunBun> ducasse:  I tried to install it....    https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YGtWYnFCZZ/
[18:36] <blackflow> timeless: there is none. it's inherent in pretty much any upgrade that requires additional task. I always do teh same dance, and for important critical servies, there's failover.  upgrade on another machine, failover there, win.
[18:36] <timeless> blackflow: of course, it also doesn't help that sa-compile is only `recommended`
[18:36] <timeless> ok... so, i guess i should just add a mental note: "this will happen each time spamassassin gets upgraded, don't worry, sa-compile will fix it, ignore the warning"
[18:37] <blackflow> ideally you want sevices mid-upgrade shut down, unless upgrade involves _only_ restart of teh daemon.
[18:38]  * timeless nods
[18:38] <blackflow> like ngin can do in-place upgrade, or there's a master process that gracefully restarts the workers.
[18:38] <blackflow> *nginx
[18:39]  * timeless wonders when lennart will invent something to address this
[18:40] <timeless> it feels like something that an apt-plan thing could eventually address
[18:40] <timeless> since the planner can know about all the things it's planning on working on
[18:40] <timeless> so, a hypothetical smart apt could know that packages "X and Y" both want service Z stopped before they work and started after...
[18:40] <blackflow> timeless: it has been invented: socket based activation. you only need daemons that play well with it
[18:41] <timeless> oh, duh
[18:41] <blackflow> so a daemon shuts down, and lets systemd socket activation spawn a new process (that has hopefully upgraded in the meantime)
[18:41] <timeless> hmm, doesn't spamassassin have a socket activator?
[18:41] <blackflow> BUT.... this isnot about that.  this is about additional taskss required, aside to restarting the worker process(es)
[18:42] <timeless> anyway, i have to run... thanks for talking about this, and working on pieces (since it sounds like you might be systemd'ing the init script)
[18:42] <blackflow> then again, SA should load the rules on (re)start, so I'm guessing you had a SA worker spawn off mid-upgrade?
[18:43] <blackflow> timeless: SA doesn't have socket activator, it is still a sysvinit script. it first has to become a proper systemd unit service, and then it has to learn how to take on FDs from systemd.
[18:45] <arooni> what do i need to do to move /opt/ to a new partition?  just edit fstab and do it there? or do i need to copy all the data from /opt first to it?
[18:46] <teward> arooni: you would need to copy the data first, then add an fstab entry, then mount.
[18:47] <arooni> is cp enough or do i need some elegant rsync command
[18:48] <EriC^^> cp -a should o it, and preserve permissions
[18:48] <tgm4883> I generally do rsync -av
[18:49] <arooni> i guess first i need to mount this new partition that will receive /opt data
[18:50] <blackflow> just note rsync -a will not do ACLs and xattrs so you need to -A -X as well for those
[18:52] <arooni> so rsync -avhAX --progress
[18:52] <arooni> do i need sudo in this case since it's /opt/ ?
[18:52] <blackflow> arooni: I guess you meant -H but I'm not sure how that works across filesystems (which is what's happening here)
[18:54] <arooni> can i just do mv * ?  i mean /opt doesnt have anything critical right
[18:55] <arooni> this seems rsync -avxHAX --progress / /new-disk/   about right
[18:59] <blackflow> mv across filesystems is a copy+delete. I don't know how that works wrt all the metadata.
[18:59] <blackflow> arooni: -x ? no, that specifically means do NOT cross filesystem boundaries
[18:59] <blackflow> you're moving from one filesystem to another on different partition
[18:59] <arooni> blackflow: grr; i already ran it.  so do i need to rm -rf and do it again w/o x?
[19:00] <blackflow> you don't. that's the beauty of rsync
[19:00] <blackflow> it's idempotent in that regard. just run it again, sans -x
[19:00] <arooni> oh i thought i messed something up
[19:00] <blackflow> you'd mess up by having nothing copied over :)
[19:01] <arooni> so after doing all that and adding UUID=2652664b-cabe-4e31-a628-9aedd9fc8889 /opt            ext4    errors=remount-ro,noatime 0       1
[19:01] <blackflow> although.... I could be wrong, I think now that -x deosn't affect if dest is on differnt fs, but if source had a different fs under its tree. Eg, if you moved /   and have stuff like /dev  and /sys be different filesystems
[19:01] <arooni> do i just need to restart?
[19:01] <blackflow> yeah definitely that -x affects submounts under src.
[19:02] <blackflow> you don't need to reboot for that, no
[19:02] <arooni> how much free space should /opt/ have ; apparently i only have 234 MB lol
[19:02] <blackflow> I stopped thinking in terms of "how much free space" after using pooled fs (ZFS) exclusively for years now. your question is.....alien to me :)
[19:03] <arooni> blackflow: so zfs handles all this more elegantly than ext4?
[19:04] <blackflow> it's a pooled filesystem. all filesystems in the pool share the same total space. no need to think in terms of "how much space" for a "partition"
[19:04] <timeless> Zfs is my friend!
[19:05] <arooni> i think when i was looking at this way back int he day zfs was less well developed perhaps or less mature than ext4?
[19:05] <timeless> Probably not
[19:05] <timeless> Most likely just not as friendly for Linux
[19:05] <arooni> ah
[19:06] <blackflow> there's btrfs if you want "linux native" (aka "in tree") pooled filesystem. should be fine now if you don't touch raid 5/6 :)
[19:06] <arooni> well im definitely all over these partitions logical / primary baloney
[19:06] <arooni> and having /root/ get full
[19:06] <arooni> so when i do it again i need to try something new
[19:06] <blackflow> but these days ZFS is good enough for enterprise use.
[19:06] <arooni> i would like something that supports dual boot
[19:06] <arooni> if possible
[19:06] <blackflow> dual boot with what
[19:07] <Platonides> blackflow: but don't you need to make your own kernels in order to have zfs support?
[19:07] <blackflow> Platonides: not in Ubuntu since 16.10
[19:07] <Platonides> oh
[19:07] <blackflow> or even earlier.... yeah, 16.10 it's bundled with the kernel package, and before that it was DKMS
[19:07] <Platonides> I missed that
[19:07] <arooni> blackflow: either mac or windows; not sure if my new lenovo can be a hackintosh
[19:07] <blackflow> so nowadays it's part of the normal linux kernel package.
[19:09] <blackflow> arooni: sure. ZFS and BTRFS can use one partition for their pools, so windows and mac can use other partitions.
[19:09] <arooni> blackflow: well thats nifty for sure; i love the idea of a shared pool for all partitions
[19:09] <blackflow> arooni: yes except it's not "shared pool for all partitions".
[19:09] <arooni> can the zfs/bttrffs pool partitions be resized if say i want more space for windows/mac partition?
[19:09] <blackflow> with "partition" we're talking things like GPT partitions
[19:09] <untitled> Hello. Does anyone have an idea why load average is constantly 1.00 1.00 1.00 in ubuntu 18.04 while there is absolutely no usage of the system?
[19:10] <compdoc> 1.00 doesnt sound like much
[19:10] <blackflow> so, ZFS can take ONE GPT partition for its "provider". then it cuts it into datasets (individual filesystems in the pool) in a pooled fashion.
[19:10] <untitled> compdoc: debian system shows 0.00 when there is usage
[19:10] <blackflow> untitled: what does top show? any process in D state even?
[19:11] <blackflow> arooni: and btrfs works in teh same fashion. the terminology is different. "Dataset" under ZFS, and "subvolume" under btrfs, but they act as _independent_ filesystems, in that they have mountpoints and individual mount options.
[19:11] <compdoc> untitled, I usually remove unneeded services like bluetooth if they arent used
[19:12] <arooni> blackflow: well i'm definitely making a note of those so when i get my new computer i can avoid all this ext4 headache
[19:12] <untitled> blackflow: there is one kworker process in D state, but it is not using any resources
[19:13] <untitled> otherwise the system just stays still
[19:13] <blackflow> arooni: there's a bit of a learning curve, and performance drawbacks, but I wouldn't trade those for all the nifty features you get like snapshots, CoW, data checksums, ...
[19:13] <blackflow> untitled: that's the one process tha counts toward load of 1
[19:13] <blackflow> "load" is just "how many processes are in active queue at the time of kernel sampling that"
[19:14] <blackflow> processes in D state are locked into iowait and -- afaik -- count as active
[19:14] <blackflow> s/processes/tasks
[19:20] <lordcirth_work> arooni, I would recommend btrfs for /, since ZFS is harder to set up for /, but ZFS for anything else
[19:21] <lordcirth_work> I have btrfs / on SSD, ZFS raidz of 3 HDD's
[19:25] <xdruppi> hi, im trying to pick between Xubuntu and Lubuntu, which is more lightweight?
[19:25] <TJ-> xdruppi: in which dimension(s) ?
[19:26] <xdruppi> TJ-: what do you mean?
[19:26] <TJ-> xdruppi: memory, disk space, cpu load?
[19:27] <xdruppi> 2gb memory, around 30 gb of disk space, and dont know about the cpu, but the computer is rather old
[19:27] <blackflow> I belive between xfce and LXDE, the difference in those is negligible
[19:28] <TJ-> I'd agree with blackflow
[19:28] <xdruppi> thanks for the help, but which one is more functional in your opinion?
[19:28] <TJ-> Although I've not yet tested the latest LXDE based on QT
[19:28] <xdruppi> the one that will give me the least issues
[19:28] <xdruppi> im gonna be using LTS
[19:29] <TJ-> xdruppi: they are just desktop environments; both about the same.
[19:29] <xdruppi> TJ-: alright, I'll go for Xubuntu
[19:29] <TJ-> xdruppi: you can install both and compare
[19:29] <blackflow> xdruppi: not sure there's value in any answer you receive. they're all equally supported flavors of ubuntu, the rest is only personal opinion and preference. having said that, I have very little experience with LXDE and I liked XFCE when I was using it.
[19:30] <xdruppi> blackflow: dont worry i appreciate it, so yeah
[19:30] <TJ-> xdruppi: I recall doing a very rough comparison of the packages installed by both as default, and found XFCE installs slightly less. I use Xubuntu mostly too
[19:31] <xdruppi> TJ-: that sounds pretty cool, thanks, I like clean installations
[19:31] <TJ-> But I'm unusual in that I spend most of my time using console/terminals so don't do much with the DE itself
[19:32] <blackflow> aye. i3wm here <3 .
[19:32] <xdruppi> oh yeah i once checked i3, it's not my style, and I don't really find the need for it, I mostly do some programming in python/c as a hobby
[19:48] <apb1963> ubuntu 16.04; I'm getting "bleed-through" from windows that do not exist.  On this hexchat window for example, I see 3 small windows that bleed-through from behind.  Behind is an empty desktop with a background pic.  At first I thought the problem was with firefox as that's where I first saw it.  The worst part is, those areas with the bleedtrhough are "dead zones".  The mouse will not activate while over those areas; for
[19:48] <apb1963> example if in gedit, those areas on the screen have a pointer where it should be an I-beam.  Here's a sample screenshot:  https://paste.pics/82088a2c9285f74b37a69bba8cc922f3
[19:48] <jonvonb> Well I'm in the club now. Just finished my conversion from arch to ubuntu 18.10 as my daily driver this morning.
[19:49] <jonvonb> So far, so good.
[19:53] <TJ-> apb1963: do you have any special compositor effects enabled, via something like compiz ?
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> apb1963: i had a bug once like that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hexchat/+bug/1576385
[19:55] <apb1963> TJ-, Not to my knowledge...
[19:56] <TJ-> apb1963: it seems to be desktop related, and composited, is why I mention it
[19:56] <TJ-> apb1963: does it survive logouts? as in, it has happened in multiple log-in sessions?
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> apb1963: check the screenshot of my bug
[19:57] <ioria> apb1963, btw, 16.04 uses compiz by default
[19:58] <jonvonb> Only *one* problem... my yubikey authentication always fails at the LastPass prompt. To work around, I open a text editor and press the yubikey then copy/paste the output back into LastPass. Anyone see this before?
[19:59] <apb1963> TJ-, I have not tried logging out and nor rebooting of course... I have too many windows in progress so it's a real pain.
[20:00] <apb1963> lotuspsychje, looking
[20:01] <TJ-> apb1963: that may be a clue; maybe the GPU is running short on video RAM for compositing and you've provoked a bug :)
[20:04] <apb1963> TJ-, well, before I came here I closed each of my firefox windows as I thought it was with firefox... the windows moved with firefox window resizing, but the absolute position remained the same.  You just can't see the windows/boxes when you resize firefox.... hard to explain.
[20:05] <lotuspsychje> apb1963: try making a screenshot of your hexchat, see if you can reproduce phantom window
[20:05] <apb1963> TJ-, wouldn't there be error messages?  I haven't looked... not sure where... X log maybe?  Or just syslog?
[20:06] <apb1963> lotuspsychje, I don't understand.  I'm staring at the phantom windows as I type this....P-windows in hexchat.
[20:06] <timeless> arooni: fwiw, there is a maczfs port available
[20:06]  * timeless used it >9 years ago
[20:06] <timeless> err 7 years ago
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> apb1963: wich graphics card is that?
[20:08] <timeless> and there's apparently a windows port https://github.com/openzfsonwindows/ZFSin although i've never tried that
[20:08] <apb1963> lotuspsychje,        product: GT218 [GeForce 310]
[20:08] <apb1963>        vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
[20:09] <timeless> (it looks like it's pre-alpha whereas the other zfs ports are all fairly close to production quality)
[20:09] <lotuspsychje> apb1963: yeah i think what TJ- said makes most sense, gpu lacking memory and making a bug in compiz
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> apb1963: you should try the same in a lubuntu/xubuntu as a test
[20:15] <gijoe3k> Hello Friends! Quick question, been a long time fan. Was wondering though. What ever happened to "Get Deb" website and repositories?
[20:16] <apb1963> TJ-, I don't see any obvious errors related to graphics in the logs, but there's something...  https://pastebin.com/wSx2CHJn
[20:16] <gijoe3k> It was a great place to get all sorts of great apps and games for your Ubuntu box.
[20:16] <gijoe3k> I have found very little info on what has happened to this great place.
[20:17] <gijoe3k> Hoping you guys and illuminate on what happend :(
[20:21] <blackflow> gijoe3k: not directly related to the fate of getdeb.net, but snap store has a ton of apps. snapcraft.io/store
[20:21] <TJ-> apb1963: "plugin-containe[13618]: segfault at 0 ip 0000560bb91d0a1d " looks like it is browser related
[20:24] <gijoe3k> @blackflow,  hmmmmm really. I thought it was just a few snap apps. But looks like it has grown alot.
[20:25] <apb1963> TJ-, yes.. I saw that... I have no idea what plugin-container it's talking about.
[20:27] <apb1963> TJ-, found it.  https://pastebin.com/5haX6kpF
[20:30] <Lope> does anyone have experience with making a 5ghz AP with hostapd?
[20:32] <TJ-> apb1963: I wonder if something running in the plugin container started drawing then segfaulted and those artifacts were left
[20:33] <apb1963> TJ-, best explanation I've heard all day
[20:33] <apb1963> The question is... how do I clean them up w/out rebooting?
[20:33] <TJ-> apb1963: log-off/log-on I would think
[20:34] <apb1963> that's almost like rebooting since all my windows will be closed :/  oh well.
[20:34] <TJ-> apb1963: or disable the compositor and re-enable it; there used to be a tool called compiz-config or something similar
[20:34] <apb1963> TJ-, now that sounds like a worthwhile avenue to pursue.
[20:36] <TJ-> !info compizconfig-settings-manager xenial | apb1963
[20:38] <xdruppi> hello, is there a way to run python, as "python" in terminal instead of "python3"? without harming the system of course
[20:39] <teward> xdruppi: local shims in your environment to override `python` to be `python3`, or maybe something like `pyenv` (not in the repos) can do, but you really can't make that work systemwide reliably.
[20:39] <teward> "your environment" being your home or user space, rather than systemwide.
[20:39] <teward> or venvs for specific python projects
[20:40] <xdruppi> teward: thanks for answering, honestly I was just testing Geany and i wanted to see how it works by myself but geany looks for "python" i think
[20:40] <apb1963> TJ-, I installed it, but I don't see anything about disable/enabling it.  I'll keep looking.
[20:43] <TJ-> apb1963: I recall, many years ago when I last used it, there was an option to enable/disable compositing. Maybe someone else here recalls?
[20:45] <apb1963> TJ-, maybe someone will say something... in the meantime I'll google.  Thanks!
[20:46] <jonvonb> There's this bug in gnome terminal where it forgets to change the cursor from solid to outline when the window loses focus. It's hard to reproduce but very annoying.
[20:48] <TJ-> apb1963: is there a control on CCSM's General tab?
[20:58] <apb1963> TJ-, I may have found it, but it's scary.  https://paste.pics/881a076df924b3097444f1734c3d5ea5
[21:00] <apb1963> TJ-, I'm reluctant to follow through on it.  It's not clear to me what will happen other than hose me good.
[21:02] <apb1963> TJ-, well, I'm going to relog right after I eat some lunch.  Thanks for the help!!!
[21:16] <ddoobb> hey guys I had Ubuntu 16.10 which could hibernate but upgraded to 18.04 which can't, apparently. Could this be possible due to changes in Ubuntu or should I try to get it to work?
[21:21] <EriC^^> ddoobb: does "dmesg" mention anything after you hibernate?
[21:23] <c|oneman> if I do upgrades over SSH, and something in the upgrade resets the network adapters, what happens?
[21:23] <c|oneman> am I in some broken half-upgraded state? how do you recover?
[21:25] <ddoobb> Eric^^ no
[21:26] <EriC^^> ddoobb: did you try any acpi_osi stuff?
[21:26] <EriC^^> (in grub)
[21:27] <ddoobb> Eric^^ no this is a fresh install
[21:27] <ddoobb> Google throws up other people having the same issue with 18.04 upgrade
[21:27] <ddoobb> no solution though
[21:27] <EriC^^> ddoobb: try "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep Windows"
[21:29] <ddoobb> Microsoft Windows; Microsoft WindowsME: Millennium Edition; Microsoft Windows NT; Windows 2001; Windows 2001 SP1; Windows 2001 SP2; Windows 2006; Windows 2009; Windows Vista Direct App Launch
[21:30] <ddoobb> Eric^^ Put them in one line for brevity
[21:30] <EriC^^> ddoobb: get the latest version it gives back
[21:31] <EriC^^> Windows 2009 i guess
[21:32] <EriC^^> ddoobb: and type "sudo nano /etc/default/grub" and edit the line GRUB_CMDLINE_DEFAULT or so, and put after quiet splash acpi_osi=\"Windows 2009\"
[21:33] <TJ-> EriC^^: it helps to prefix acpi_osi=! since that tells Linux not to offer it's internal OSIs - if one of those matches the one you want won't be used
[21:34] <EriC^^> ddoobb: TJ-: aha, so acpi_osi=\"!Windows 2009\" ?
[21:34] <TJ-> EriC^^: no, "acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=\"Windows 2009\""
[21:35] <EriC^^> aha i see, thanks, ddoobb ^
[21:35] <TJ-> EriC^^: first one 'clears' the internal list, 2nd adds the single entry we want to match on
[21:38] <ddoobb> Eric there's GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[21:38] <ddoobb> EDIT that one?
[21:38] <EriC^^> ddoobb: yes
[21:39] <TJ-> ddoobb: generally you want GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= so it applies to recovery boots too
[21:39] <TJ-> last thing you want is the hardware/firmware playing up when you need recovery :)
[21:40] <ddoobb> Eric^^ "quiet splash acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=\"Windows 2009\""
[21:40] <ddoobb> like this?
[21:40] <EriC^^> ddoobb: yes, except use GRUB_CMDLINE_DEFAULT as TJ-  suggested
[21:41] <EriC^^> i mean GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX
[21:41] <TJ-> ddoobb: see my article for the precise details and explanation http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[21:42] <hdon> hi all :) is the jdk 11 package on bionic actually jdk 10? https://hastebin.com/ijuzivagov.shell
[21:47] <ddoobb> Eric^^ TJ- now reboot?
[21:47] <EriC^^> ddoobb: no, type "sudo update-grub" first
[21:48] <backes> hey, I need cmake 3.12 but the version in the 16.04 LTS repo is 3.5. Should I download and compile the version from the cmake webpage or is there a version to get the package from the cosmic repo?
[21:48] <ddoobb> Eric^^ ok now reboot?
[21:49] <EriC^^> yes
[21:49] <ddoobb> wish me luck
[22:03] <Sean_McG> hi, is there a good channel for developing .deb packages on freenode?
[22:04] <hggdh> Sean_McG: depends on what you are looking for, but #ubuntu-packaging is a good bet
[22:04] <Sean_McG> cool, thanks
[22:41] <nshire> Is ubuntu able to directly control things like system fan RPM? and is it done through a universal tool, or do I need to get specific tools for certain motherboards?
[22:41] <nshire> h97 chipset btw
[22:43] <gpunk> i dont think so
[22:46] <nshire> windows has speedfan but it looks like I won't have that luxury
[22:50] <nshire> it is running on uefi.. don't know if that matters
[22:58] <lionrouge> hi !
[22:59] <lionrouge> does Ubuntu 18.04 have SELinux by default?
[23:16] <WoC> lionrouge, apparmor is default
[23:22] <blue1> Hi.  I am having a problem with boothing.  I tried a fresh install of 18,04 got a weird it couldn't find the efi-directory (note legacy boot is selected) I tried boot-repair -- but no goodness.
[23:27] <ChinnoDog> Not sure what "legacy boot" means in this context. If it is looking for the EFI directory the installer must have thought you use EFI boot.
[23:28] <ChinnoDog> Are you getting the message right after post before grub shows the boot menu?
[23:28] <blue1> ChinnoDog: in this case there is no EFI boot.  It's msdos.  yes right after post and then it dumps me into grub-rescue
[23:31] <ChinnoDog> Mighty peculiar if you installed on a system without EFI but grub is looking for an EFI directory. Is your PC capable of EFI boot? Perhaps you booted the install media using EFI.
[23:33] <blue1> no it doesn't have efi -- I have windows 7 on it (which doesn't support efi) and it dual booted windows 14.04 -- it is when I tried a fresh install of 18.04 it barfed with that error
[23:45] <blue1> any suggestions on how to fix the boot poblem?