[00:24] <emma> does anyone know any linux software that would let you annotate whatever window you are in, whatever app you are using, like write and draw on the screen. Like the idea of Microsoft Ink?
[00:44] <Smaug_> tomreyn: thanks!  sorry for delay in response.   what is ecryptfs ?
[00:44] <Smaug_> i don't actually know what that is supposed to be
[00:45] <tomreyn> Smaug_: encrypted home directory
[00:45] <tomreyn> !ecryptsfs
[00:45] <tomreyn> !ecryptfs
[00:45] <tomreyn> i guess not
[00:47] <Smaug_> tomreyn: how should i deal with it?  i guess i encryped my home dir at some point, is that what it means?
[00:50] <fuxxy> Does ubuntu have any default suspend/hibernate settings if I'm not running an X session?
[00:50] <tomreyn> Smaug_: i think the 'df -h' output you posted earlier showedd that there is an ecryptfs encrypted file system mounted at /home/thomas, sized 225 GB. this size may be misleading, i'm not sure what it's based on. an ecryptfs file system would normally mounted when you login, assuming this mechanisms still works properly.
[00:50] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome
[00:52] <Smaug_> tomreyn: ok
[01:00] <gambl0re> are there any specific sdd brands that do not work with ubuntu?
[01:01] <gambl0re> im looking at samsung, crucial, western digital. which works straight out the box with ubuntu?
[01:04] <teward> gambl0re: to my knowledge *most* SSDs work out of the box, I'm not aware of any that need special firmware or drivers.  (Whether they work with your system's hardware that you already ahve or not is a different story, and not necessarily Ubuntu specific)
[01:05] <teward> to my knowledge, all the brands you just mentioned work out of the box.
[01:05] <fuxxy> gambl0re, if you have an SSD that uses the SATA interface, you are 99.999999E12354 % guaranteed that it will work with ubuntu.
[01:05] <teward> ^ thid
[01:05] <teward> this*
[01:06] <gambl0re> i read that some ssd brands had a bug with TRIM?
[01:06] <teward> NVMe or such might be different or tricky, but if it's a typical SSD that uses SATA it's almost guaranteed to work
[01:06] <OerHeks> those are 3 year old stories, gambl0re
[01:06] <teward> gambl0re: i think you're talking about 2015-era SSDs from Samsung
[01:07] <teward> that's *3 years old* and long since fixed
[01:07] <OerHeks> same answer as in ##linux
[01:07] <teward> ^
[01:07] <teward> if you go and buy a new Samsung SSD today, TRIM should work fine OOTB with LInux
[01:08] <gambl0re> thanks guys
[01:08] <OerHeks> just don't fill the ssd to the brim, 90% or a little more
[01:08] <teward> ^ that
[01:09] <gambl0re> dont you insert the ssd just like you would with a ram stick?
[01:09] <OerHeks> but that would be not true with LVM
[01:09] <fuxxy> gambl0re, depends on the interface.
[01:09] <teward> gambl0re: you might be thinking of M.2 or NVMe SSD drives
[01:09] <teward> not standard SSD drives
[01:10] <boblamont> I'm suddenly getting Terminal Emulator is not set. errors when I use F4 to open a terminal window in Lubuntu. I did sudo update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator and it said lxterminal was already selected... what do I need to do to get F4 to open a terminal to the directory I'm in in PCManFM?
[01:10] <gambl0re> sorry im talking about m.2
[01:10] <gambl0re> the ssd that looks like a ram stick
[01:11] <cnnx> I went to kernel.org and downloaded the latest stable kernel and now I'm compiling it
[01:12] <cnnx> in theory I can boot from it when its done and I do make install ?
[01:12] <ducasse> cnnx: that's not something we support
[01:12] <OerHeks> cnnx, one better uses the mainline repo for that, but you can https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[01:13] <cnnx> ty
[01:13] <OerHeks> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[01:13] <ducasse> even those are only intended for testing
[01:13] <OerHeks> !mainline
[01:14] <OerHeks> jups
[01:15] <OerHeks> laest stable would be 4.19 http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.19.1/
[01:23] <texla> #linux
[01:48] <XLV> i fought the law and the law won.. i am installing 18.04.1
[01:48] <XLV> couldnt do anything, even going into recovery, installing nvidia 4.10 drivers and removing nouveau had the same effect
[02:00] <WoC> XLV did you remember to blacklist nouveau ?
[02:00] <XLV> WoC, it was removed
[02:01] <XLV> anyhow it wasnt nouveau
[02:01] <XLV> it got stuck on somethng else
[02:01] <XLV> but it was a last ditch effort to install nvidia drvs in there
[02:15] <xdruppi> hi
[02:15] <xdruppi> is there any rules for computer host name?
[02:19] <OerHeks> sure
[02:20] <OerHeks> " Each element of the hostname must be from 1 to 63 characters long and the entire hostname, including the dots, can be at most 253 characters long.  Valid characters for hostnames are ASCII(7) letters from a to z, the digits from 0 to 9, and the hyphen (-).  A hostname may not start with a hyphen."
[02:42] <xdruppi> OerHeks: can it be upperscore/lowerscore mixed?
[02:42] <xdruppi> uppercase/lowercase*
[02:45] <OerHeks> i believe not ..
[02:45] <OerHeks> just lowercase
[02:47] <WoC> lest i'm mistaken, there may be some issues if you use host certificates and creative uc/lc mixes ?
[02:58] <zzo38> Can you please to tell me why ppa:ondrej/apache2 doesn't work? Even though I managed to install it and put apt-get update but it doesn't find the package, even though a command apt-cache policy lists that source.
[03:12] <coldpress> is it possible to force another user to source their bashrc?
[04:01] <mountains> Hi
[04:01] <mountains> since I upgraded to 18.04 my Fruho stopped working.
[04:01] <mountains> I can't connect to any VPN servers now.
[04:01] <mountains> Tried removing and reinstalling Fruho to no avail.
[04:10] <PenguinPerk> Looking for a hand. I am running Ubuntu 18.04 and i need to install docker 18.06? This isn't working "apt install docker-ce=18.06.1"
[04:16] <Bashing-om> !info docker-ce bionic | PenguinPerk
[04:22] <PenguinPerk> ubottu and Bashing-om what am i missing then: docker-ce/bionic,now 5:18.09.0~3-0~ubuntu-bionic amd64 [installed]
[04:23] <Bashing-om> PenguinPerk: Not in the repo - so I "assume" a PPA ? what shows ' apt policy docker-ce/ ' ?
[04:24] <PenguinPerk> 18.06.1~ce~3-0~ubuntu 500
[04:24] <PenguinPerk>         500 https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu bionic/stable amd64 Packages
[04:24] <PenguinPerk> Bashing-om,
[04:25] <Bashing-om> PenguinPerk: Yup - PPA .
[04:26] <Bashing-om> !ppa | PenguinPerk
[04:26] <PenguinPerk> ok
[04:28] <Bashing-om> PenguinPerk: Might see what is offered: https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu/dists/bionic/nightly/ .
[04:29] <PenguinPerk> Bashing-om, nightly's are not stable correct/
[04:29] <lordcirth> Nightlies are by definition compiled every day with the latest code.  They will change constantly and may have bugs.
[04:29] <PenguinPerk> Bashing-om, I am working on building a Kubernetes cluster on Ubuntu 18.04...
[04:31] <PenguinPerk> Bashing-om, is there a docker version for Ubuntu 18.04?
[04:31] <mouses> PenguinPerk: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-use-docker-on-ubuntu-18-04
[04:33] <Bashing-om> PenguinPerk: "docker/bionic 1.5-1build1 amd64"
[04:33] <Bashing-om> !info docker bionic | PenguinPerk
[04:34] <PenguinPerk> Bashing-om, I have seen that but when install the latest i get 18.09
[04:35] <Bashing-om> !info docker cosmic
[04:35] <Bashing-om> PenguinPerk: The package manager will always look at the latest version. On your case the PPA .
[04:35] <lordcirth> PenguinPerk, do you perhaps mean a docker container template of 18.04?
[04:36] <PenguinPerk> Docker version 18.09.0, build 4d60db4
[04:37] <lordcirth> Perhaps Ubuntu and Docker use different versioning.  Doesn't seem like that ought to stop whatever you are doing?
[04:37] <Bashing-om> PenguinPerk: Right, and we have already shown that is from a PPA .
[04:38] <PenguinPerk> When i ran the kube-init I received an error. [ERROR SystemVerification]: unsupported docker version: 18.09.0
[04:38] <PenguinPerk> After some reseach it appears that I need to have Docker 18.06
[04:40] <lordcirth> Or possibly a newer kubernetes, instead?
[04:40] <PenguinPerk> Let me check, wasn't thinking that way
[04:49] <PenguinPerk> lordcirth, I am done for the night...picking it up again in the AM. TY
[04:52] <mountains> Hi
[04:52] <mountains> Trying to get my HP LaserJet 1018 to work with Ubuntu 18.04.
[04:52] <mountains> Really frustrating experience.
[04:52] <mountains> Any help?
[05:05] <Miar> Hi, just wanted to bump this up - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1802052
[05:05] <cfhowlett> bumping it here will do nothing.  best bet is to subscribe to the bug.
[05:06] <Miar> Oh, I just bumped it here in case somebody is around who can take a look and help :)
[05:10] <PenguinPerk> lordcirth and Bashing-om - to install a particular version of docker: apt install docker-ce=18.06.1~ce~3-0~ubuntu
[05:14] <Bashing-om> PenguinPerk: No, apt directs to our repository ,, where docker-ce does not exist .
[05:22] <Bashing-om> PenguinPerk: To install docker-ce will have to explore or inquire of the PPA what the versions are that "might" be made available in a particular release. Generally only one version is offered.
[05:25] <mountains> apparently i got it to work now
[05:25] <mountains> just need some new toner
[05:26] <mountains> so 16.04 is supported until 2021?
[05:26] <cfhowlett> yes
[05:26] <cfhowlett> but 18.04.1 is also LTS so consider upgrading
[05:26] <mountains> so 18.04 is only supported 2 more years until 2023
[05:26] <cfhowlett> eh?
[05:26] <mountains> that's not much extra for the risk of something going wrong when upgrading
[05:27] <cfhowlett> 18.04 is LTS =  5 years support
[05:27] <cfhowlett> and pretty sure now to 2023 is more than 2 years
[05:27] <mountains> yes, supported until 2023. that's only 2 years beyond 2021.
[05:27] <cfhowlett> ah, OK
[05:27] <mountains> so i'm saying i'm not sure it's worth the risk for just an extra 2 years beyond the 16.04 support of 2021.
[05:28] <mountains> 16.04 system runs very well, so why chance it?
[05:28] <cfhowlett> understood
[05:28] <cfhowlett> however, there is an easy test
[05:28] <cfhowlett> install virtualbox, put 18.04 in the box and pass your USB connections to the printer.  test away
[05:29] <mountains> what's that going to test?
[05:29] <mountains> the printer?
[05:30] <cfhowlett> passing your connections through will enable you to test all hardware
[05:33] <mountains> ‘Night Light’ – warms your display after sunset to promote natural sleep patterns
[05:33] <mountains> is this supposed to be better than redshift?
[05:38] <mountains> "The most notable improvement will be in CPU usage. The Ubuntu Desktop team has greatly improved and reduced the CPU usage caused by Ubuntu 18.04."
[05:38] <mouses> mountains: Not sure.  There's always f.lux too which I've used and enjoyed in the past
[05:41] <mountains> xrandr --output HDMI2 --set "Broadcast RGB" "Full"
[05:42] <mountains> This is what I used to type when I booted Ubuntu in order to get full color on my monitor. Without doing that I would get "Automatic" which was not Full.
[05:42] <mountains> Now when I type that in the terminal with my 18.04 build I get an error message.
[05:42] <mountains> Can you help me modify that to work with 18.04?
[05:45] <Sveta> My laptop screen is pale (hardware failure) and an external monitor is connected. The installer sees it, but shows the 'try ubuntu' or 'install ubuntu' dialog on the wrong screen, and the quality of the image is insufficient for me to be able to move it. How do I prevent or work around this?
[05:46] <Sveta> Is there a keyboard shortcut for 'try ubuntu' ?
[05:47] <cfhowlett> during boot you can use the accessibility options to select high contrast.
[05:51] <cfhowlett> Sveta you should also be able to modify the display options after boot, for that matter.
[05:51] <gambl0re> does ubuntu support fractional scaling?
[06:12] <mountains> So that the the GPU outputs at full range when Kodi starts and switches back to limited range when Kodi exits."
[06:12] <mountains> What's the benefit of Xrandr Limited color mode?
[06:12] <mountains> less memory?
[06:18] <spoolq> So I've had an issue for years, over multiple releases of Ubuntu, where some MP3s will be silent. They play, audio visualizers do their thing, but no sound can be heard. It seems to affect most players, as well as Firefox and Chrome, but if I open them up in Audacity I can listen to them with audio there.
[06:18] <spoolq> I've thinking about finally bug reporting this, but I figured I'd ask if this was a known thing. It seems like it should be, given the issues I've had, but googling has failed to turn up anything. No bug reports, no discussion.
[06:19] <cfhowlett> did you install the restricted codecs, spoolq ?
[06:19] <cfhowlett> or VLC Player?
[06:19] <spoolq> Yes, but the documentation is awful.
[06:19] <spoolq> VLC is silent.
[06:20] <spoolq> It affects a bunch of audio content on videogame website giantbomb.com too, both in their browser media player and the downloaded files.
[06:21] <cfhowlett> I would guess that some mp3's have exotic encoding, i.e. 44k instead of ##k.  ***guess***
[06:22] <spoolq> Could I trouble you by asking you to visit this page, click play and tell me if you hear anything? https://www.giantbomb.com/shows/episode-181/2970-17661/free-podcast
[06:26] <spoolq> Maybe it is sample rate. One audio book I have that's silent is 32k, the podcast I linked is 48k. Both silent.
[06:26] <cfhowlett> no issues.  I'm on 16.04 through a virtualbox
[06:27] <spoolq> All right, thanks.
[06:29] <mouses> spoolq: All good here on a ChromeOS, Ubuntu 18.04, and Gentoo
[06:30] <spoolq> Maybe it's my computer then. My Ubuntu has changed over the years, but the motherboard has remained the same.
[06:30] <mouses> I highly doubt it - the fact that some are working and some are not = I'd really think that would nearly have to be software
[06:31] <mouses> Unless you have some kind of exotic/non standard audio device?
[06:31] <cfhowlett> ONLY on 18.04?   and on SOME, not ALL, mp3's?  doubtufl that it's hardware ...
[06:31] <spoolq> I output via hdmi to an home cinema receiver these days, but I had the issue before then too.
[06:31] <mouses> spoolq: Have you tried booting the machine from live image and playing it?
[06:32] <mouses> spoolq: that would settle the hardware vs software step of the trouble shooting
[06:32] <spoolq> Not only on 18.04, I've had it for years. Back in the 16.04 days too, most likely.
[06:32] <spoolq> I haven't tried playing a problematic sound file from a live cd, I'll make sure to do so before bug reporting.
[06:34] <NewToLubuntu> does anyone know a package I can install for reassigning keyboard keys?
[06:35] <NewToLubuntu> I want to assign one to function as a right mouse click
[06:37] <spoolq> That's way more difficult than you'd think it would be. I'm not aware of any easy solution. My own attempts to reassign some keys to my Swedish åäö characters ended in failure. It was way easier for me to reprogram my keyboard.
[06:37] <NewToLubuntu> I basically want something like mousekeys worked on windows
[06:37] <NewToLubuntu> or if I could reassign my side buttons, they appear to do back/forward
[06:45] <mountains> When I'm doing a full system upgrade to 18.04 should I have all my browser windows closed?
[06:45] <mountains> Does it make a difference?
[06:46] <c|oneman> I think linux is smart enough to deal with that
[06:47] <cfhowlett> mountains, perhaps less ram usage = a speed bump but unless you are running multiple tabs, should be a minimal benefit
[06:48] <mountains> Well, I noticed in the terminal window when I was upgrading some error messages that certain config files couldn't be edited because they were in use or something like that, so it said "ignored" and moved on to the next thing to do.
[06:48] <mountains> I wonder if that would be taken care of when rebooting.
[06:48] <cfhowlett> after install do sudo apt full-upgrade
[06:49] <mountains> just typed that now. nothing to do.
[06:49] <cfhowlett> after reboot do so again
[06:49] <mountains> After my upgrade when I went to Software Updater I was prompted to do a small Partial Upgrade.
[06:50] <mountains> So far I haven't had any issues except that my Fruho stopped working with my Air VPN service and App Grid stopped working. In the latter case I reinstalled it now and it works fine.
[06:50] <mountains> Instead of Fruho I'm now using Eddie Open VPN.
[06:51] <mountains> I had to modify slightly my xrandr command from xrandr --output HDMI2 --set "Broadcast RGB" "Full" to xrandr --output HDMI-2 --set "Broadcast RGB" "Full"
[06:54] <mountains> the upgrade freed up a lot of space on my drive.
[06:59] <NewToLubuntu> does anyone know how to run .swf files? firefox can't seem to open them
[06:59] <NewToLubuntu> adobe's site mentions a 32 bit version for ubuntu but can't figure out how to install it
[07:00] <cfhowlett> !flash | NewToLubuntu
[07:01] <cfhowlett> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FlashPlayerStandalone
[07:02] <NewToLubuntu> I found flashplugin-downloader and flashplugin-installer on Synaptic Package Manager
[07:02] <NewToLubuntu> I am 32-bit though so I think restricted-extras is what I need to go for
[07:10] <NewToLubuntu> I added and clicked apply but doesn't seem to work
[07:10] <NewToLubuntu> am I missing a step to enable?
[07:10] <NewToLubuntu> I added both ubuntu extras and lubuntu extras
[07:10] <cfhowlett> lubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:32] <HaMsTeRs> Thanks everyone.  I finally got Ubuntu running on SurfacePro 5
[07:34] <HaMsTeRs> Everything everything works great except, Touch screen not work, sleeps turned into hibernate, and power status not showing
[07:50] <coldpress> why doesn't bash's reverse search history work through a symlink?
[07:50] <EriC^> work through a symlink?
[07:50] <EriC^> how do you mean
[07:50] <coldpress> my ~/.bash_history is a symlink to the actual history file
[07:51] <coldpress> history is being saved, but reverse-i-search does not work
[07:51] <EriC^> oh
[07:53] <EriC^> coldpress: report the bug?
[07:53] <coldpress> i don't know if its normal behavior for bash
[07:53] <EriC^> sounds like a bug
[07:54] <EriC^> actually it works here
[07:54] <ducasse> coldpress: ask in #bash if this is normal behavior
[07:55] <EriC^> coldpress: if you type "history" does it show you them?
[07:55] <EriC^> coldpress: type "ls -l ~/.bash_history"
[07:57] <coldpress> ducasse: EriC^: must have screwed up the permissions somewhere, it works outside docker but doesn't work inside docker
[08:28] <gijoe3k> Do you guys know what happened to Get Deb?
[08:28] <gijoe3k> http://www.getdeb.net/
[08:31] <ducasse> no, we don't
[08:31] <ducasse> i doubt you're going to get another answer here
[09:23] <elias_a> When using ping command from command line in 18.04, is it using ipv4 or ipv6 by default?
[09:26] <Ben64> try to ping ipv6.google.com and find out?
[10:03] <mirazi_heket> hey, i want to install ubuntu mate 18.10 with encrypted disk + lvm. Base installer does not allow to turn off swap and i want it off mandatory, can you guide me please through manual setup?
[10:08] <ducasse> mirazi_heket: just disable swap and remove the swapfile after installing
[10:08] <mirazi_heket> ducasse: can that be done after installing encrypted lvm volume?
[10:09] <ducasse> sure, it's just a file
[10:11] <mirazi_heket> guides says gparted will do it, alright will check
[10:12] <Ben64> i think it's a file now by default, not a partition
[10:24] <Zta> I want my Debian to look like Ubuntu (Unity to be specific, but that's getting more of a Utopia these days.) What is it that makes Ubuntu look like Ubuntu? Is it just set of Gnome Themes and Gnome Shell Extensions and a wallpaper?  Can I install those packages on Debian and have it look like Ubuntu?
[10:34] <fishcooker> anyone with kernel panic addicted https://pasteboard.co/HMx10uf.jpg?
[10:39] <tchakatak> Zta i would try to install the repo from ubuntu, and install the packages if you want unity.
[10:40] <tchakatak> or, make a custom of your gnome env
[10:42] <Greyztar> evening,how come systemd-networkd throw network unreachable when network in config truly is,config here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/62CGTGPX54/
[10:44] <Greyztar> also i dunno,but seems to default to dhcp on reboot even when removed /etc/netplan/* im on 18.04 might add
[11:35] <mirazi_heket> hey, i successfully removed swap from encrypted lvm, but i still want to resize root partition, can someone help me please?
[11:35] <mirazi_heket> https://paste.ofcode.org/kud9jEThqNqjv9PphNkzwy
[11:39] <mirazi_heket> did little research and this worked: sudo lvextend -l +100%FREE /dev/ubuntu-mate-vg/root
[11:39] <mirazi_heket> sudo resize2fs /dev/ubuntu-mate-vg/root
[11:40] <Greyztar> no wonder it was confusing,router clings on to adress for my ubuntu box and straight out refuse let it go,same with other device,cant get new ip all static options off,time for pi with openwrt or so i guess
[13:21] <ddoobb> Hey guys I have a Qt application (paraview) that's launching with a dark theme even though I am using Adwaita on my system. How can I force it to launch with a light theme?
[13:22] <ddoobb> I know for gtk apps 'GTK_THEME=Greybird paraview' works but googling didn't throw up any help about qt
[13:23] <pikapika> Is there any way to "servicify" the whisker menu?
[13:23] <pikapika> Normally it appears to launch process each time its clicked
[13:23] <pikapika> Which is slow sometimes
[13:24] <pikapika> If it somehow involves editing and compiling the source, I guess I could tolerate doing that as well
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:53] <mirazi_heket> hello, in order to have sound in the system every reboot i have to set sound output to analog output [Stereo Headphones] in alsamixer tool (CLI, ncurses). I have latest ubuntu mate and asus xonar dg, how to fix that?
[13:55] <rory> mirazi_heket: you should go to sound settings, and set the sound profile for your unused devices to "off"
[13:56] <rory> mirazi_heket: e.g. I have to disable my monitor input or it keeps getting set as default
[13:56] <rory> mirazi_heket: click the sound icon, sound settings, hardware tab
[13:57] <mirazi_heket> the second device from graphics card is disabled
[13:57] <mirazi_heket> and integraded sound card is disabled by bios (so no entry for that)
[13:57] <rory> do you know what device is active before you activate your xonars?
[13:58] <mirazi_heket> no sure, i would compare things but i dont know where to look
[14:02] <BluesKaj> mirazi_heket, sometimes the settings in your media player can be set to your xonar's options, for example in vlc  tools>prefermces>audio settings
[14:03] <mirazi_heket> system-wide solution would be welcome
[14:03] <mirazi_heket> as im using sound in firefox too
[14:08] <BluesKaj> yeah, sometimes this works, /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, options snd-youraudiodriver index=0 , which gives the xonar sound card driver precededence over the on board audio
[14:08] <Sven_vB> is there a way to make mke2fs display progress but fewer informational messages?
[14:09] <mirazi_heket> BluesKaj: how do i get driver name?
[14:09] <BluesKaj> pecedence even
[14:11] <BluesKaj> mirazi_heket, cat /proc/asound/modules
[14:12] <mirazi_heket> BluesKaj: will test after reboot, give me some time
[14:13] <ddoobb> what's the name for when a package sets up an alias that you can type in terminal to launch it but there's no package with that exact name? what's it called
[14:13] <BluesKaj> mirazi_heket, np
[14:13] <ddoobb> And where can I see all of them active at once?
[14:17] <BluesKaj> a package sets up an alias ? the user sets the alias in .bash-aliases
[14:17] <treehug88> I don't think he/she means a strict filesystem alias
[14:18] <ddoobb> BluesKaj I don't know whats going on, basically i can write 'paraview' to launch an application 9called paraview) but there's no package named paraview
[14:18] <BluesKaj> then his question beyond my scope
[14:18] <treehug88> ddoobb what do you see when you type:  ls -l 'which paraview`
[14:20] <HaMsTeRs> Guys, this is the final step before I port ubuntu box as daily drive
[14:20] <BluesKaj> paraview is the repos, check your package manager
[14:20] <BluesKaj> in
[14:20] <mirazi_heket> BluesKaj: what file you recommended me to modify? it does select my graphics card audio
[14:21] <ddoobb> treehug88 just a cursor '>'
[14:21] <treehug88> what about 'which -a paraview'
[14:21] <HaMsTeRs> I'm trying to make ubuntu to report battery status
[14:21] <HaMsTeRs> but it seems this is a know issue and I couldn't find any work around on this
[14:22] <HaMsTeRs> I'm running ubuntu 18.10 under Surface Pro 2017
[14:22] <HaMsTeRs> could anyone shed me light
[14:22] <TJ-> ddoobb: that's due to unmatched quote marks. press Ctrl+C to get back to the shell prompt, then use "ls -l $(which paraview)"
[14:22] <treehug88> TJ- nice cat h
[14:23] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: battery status should be under /sys/class/power_supply/BAT*/
[14:23] <ddoobb> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 84216 May 29 14:22 /opt/paraviewopenfoam54/bin/paraview
[14:24] <BluesKaj> mirazi_heket, /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, tjhen add the line:  options snd-youraudiodriver index=0
[14:24] <HaMsTeRs> Hey TJ!  Thanks for your help yesterday, I got GPT/UEFI installed and working properly
[14:25] <HaMsTeRs> TJ-: I read that before, but I got no BAT* under power_supply folder
[14:25] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: congratulations :)
[14:25] <HaMsTeRs> :)  and battery status is the last thing I need to solve before I completely move Ubuntu as my main OS
[14:25] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: OK, that means the ACPI isn't reporting the device. Can you "pastebinit <( dmesg )" so we can check what is going on?
[14:26] <treehug88> ddoobb I think that since that's in /opt it's probably not installed by a ubuntu package. Not positive since I'm not an Ubuntu acolyte
[14:27] <TJ-> treehug88: yo'd be correct; you can find out with "dpkg -S path/to/somefile"
[14:27] <Greyztar> can i use functions i add for bash inside a script?
[14:27] <HaMsTeRs> wow, never know there's such a handy tool now days for pasting things to pastbin :)
[14:27] <HaMsTeRs> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Mx7RkVD5vP/
[14:28] <TJ-> Greyztar: you mean functions in the parent shell environment ?
[14:28] <HaMsTeRs> Thanks :)
[14:28] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: give me a few minutes to digest it :)
[14:28] <HaMsTeRs> please take your time
[14:28] <Greyztar> TJ-: yes i guess so,or is it a way to ""import" it so it wokrs inside script?
[14:28] <HaMsTeRs> just wonder how long would my paste stays in pastebin :P
[14:29] <Greyztar> HaMsTeRs: think u can set time for it when making paste :D
[14:30] <mirazi_heket> from this screen im able to change sound output https://pasteboard.co/HMGmUXL.png when i move to analog out and change value, by default sound goes to case front panel
[14:30] <HaMsTeRs> Cool
[14:30] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: does sysfs report a /sys/class/power_supply/ADP1 ?
[14:33] <ddoobb> Thanks treehug88, Tj-
[14:34] <ddoobb> #!/bin/sh at teh beginning of something means it's a bash script right
[14:34] <HaMsTeRs> TJ-: I got the folder, but doesn't report anything interested especially I've viewed almost all the files in that directory recursively, but none of them contains battery status
[14:34] <TJ-> ddoobb: no, sh is not bash. Usually it is dash. check with "readlink -e /bin/sh"
[14:35] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: that's fine, I just wanted to confirm that it exists, since dmesg shows it finds the ADP1 (but no BAT*)
[14:35] <ddoobb> Oh, thanks again TJ-
[14:36] <HaMsTeRs> :D.  I actually just looking for something to report battery status, I can live without the battery indicator.
[14:36] <HaMsTeRs> because if I move to Ubuntu as daily drive, I need to know when I'm getting out of battery
[14:37] <HaMsTeRs> I do not want my battery died while working on documents
[14:37] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: I see there is someone maintaining a set of patches for the Surface models. Looking closer, there is a specific additional kernel module for the ACPI which enables battery detection. This is the repo: https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface
[14:37] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: I'll check if any of that is upstream in the mainline kernel, or in Ubuntu?
[14:38] <BluesKaj> mirazi_heket, it's odd to have ** in the box below the volume on you alsa ccontrols , it's usually 00 for open, or MM for muted
[14:38] <HaMsTeRs> Thanks TJ-.  I've been to that site also, but seems "Battery Readings (not yet working for SB2/SP2017)" also
[14:39] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: the ACPI patches from here aren't in mainline https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface/blob/master/patches/4.18/acpi.patch
[14:39] <HaMsTeRs> I'm on SP2017
[14:39] <BluesKaj> you=your
[14:39] <mirazi_heket> well, nothing is muted anyway, just sound by default goes to front panel...
[14:39] <BluesKaj> mirazi_heket, so you don't use speakers?
[14:40] <mirazi_heket> i do use speakers
[14:41] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: Strange because the patch/driver looks sane. I'd need to look at the machine's DSDT to be able to debug it further though
[14:42] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: so it seems despite Microsoft's embracing of open-source they're not providing docs or drivers for their own hardware
[14:42] <HaMsTeRs> I guess that's one reason why it's pain to run linux under surface.
[14:42] <BluesKaj> mirazi_heket, never seen ** in the opem/mute indicator in alsamixer ctls before this, I wonder what that means
[14:43] <HaMsTeRs> TJ-:  Maybe I should try the patch
[14:43] <HaMsTeRs> I've not yet apply the patch yet
[14:43] <mirazi_heket> i doubt thats revelant, i dont even touch that
[14:43] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: can you show me "pastebinit <( sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows )"
[14:43] <BluesKaj> well, whatever it is, it's new to me
[14:44] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: looks like Jake provides pre-built kernel images you can try, too
[14:44] <HaMsTeRs> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c9GWYzPkRX/
[14:47] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: I want you to try something with the Ubuntu kernel. It is a common workaround for these types of ACPI firmware problems.
[14:48] <HaMsTeRs> Sure
[14:49] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: issue the command inside the " marks (copy/paste it):  "  sudo sed -i "s/^\(GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=.*\)\"$/\1 acpi_osi=! \\\\\"acpi_osi=Windows 2015\\\\\"\"/" /etc/default/grub    "
[14:49] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: then lets check it worked with "pastebinit /etc/default/grub"
[14:52] <HaMsTeRs> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qpsKcFhmvv/
[14:53] <HaMsTeRs> Seem there
[14:54] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: perfect! Now do "sudo update-grub" then reboot, and when up and running again, "pastebinit <( dmesg)" so we can see if it improved matters
[14:55] <HaMsTeRs> thanks TJ-.  done, I'm rebooting the system now.  will be back in few minutes
[15:01] <HaMsTeRs> Hi TJ-:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/52tKvX6QjV/
[15:01] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: thanks
[15:02] <HaMsTeRs> thanks TJ-
[15:04] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: no radical improvement for power sources at least, so it does look like you'd need those patches
[15:07] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: from Jake's driver it seems to read the battery state we have to read an iic (i2c) device
[15:07] <HaMsTeRs> TJ-: Thanks TJ.   Actually that's too technical for me, while I'm pretty much still a noob :D
[15:08] <HaMsTeRs> Just one quick question, if I run the prebuild script, would that included all the 4.18 patches already?
[15:08] <HaMsTeRs> or do I have to patch them one by one?
[15:09] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: IIC=Inter-Integrated Circuit serial bus. Let's see if the bus/device is there. "pastebinit <( ls -l /sys/bus/i2c/devices )"
[15:10] <HaMsTeRs> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Qb5TmBzjCh/
[15:14] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: The device is there (i2c-MSHW0125:00)  so it looks like the reason Jake's drive can't get the readings is that he's been unable to figure out the correct I2C command values to send
[15:15] <HaMsTeRs> hm. ok
[15:16] <HaMsTeRs> TJ-: where did you learn all those linux skill :D
[15:19] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: hacking code, experimenting
[15:19] <HaMsTeRs> :D.
[15:20] <HaMsTeRs> TJ-:  so should I install Jake's kernel ? or nothing I can do at this moment?
[15:20] <HaMsTeRs> and wait for new version
[15:23] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: I don't see any indication Jake is trying to get his patches into the mainline kernel. It would be good if that were the case. Might be worth asking him if that is happening, or planned.
[15:26] <HaMsTeRs> TJ-: I'm drafting a message now.   So is there any why I can get the battery status manually?  so I could trigger it from time to time?
[15:28] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: not that I can see; as it requires knowing specific command bytes and result values to be sent to/from the I2C device
[15:29] <HaMsTeRs> Ok, so would you know if there are any warning before battery die or out of battery in this case?
[15:29] <HaMsTeRs> so I still have time to save my documents
[15:30] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: I'd suspect not, since we have no way to read the battery level
[15:31] <HaMsTeRs> Oh well
[15:31] <HaMsTeRs> anyway thanks TJ- :)
[15:40] <ledeni> HaMsTeRs: can you try 'upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT0 | nc termbin.com 9999' and give us url
[15:40] <HaMsTeRs> nothing return
[15:40] <HaMsTeRs> Hi ledeni
[15:41] <ledeni> hi HaMsTeRs
[15:41] <HaMsTeRs> nothing return from upower
[15:43] <ledeni> HaMsTeRs: ok sorry i just try on my system and working
[15:43] <HaMsTeRs> thanks ledeni :).
[15:43] <tomreyn> HaMsTeRs: upower -e ŋrep BAT
[15:43] <tomreyn> HaMsTeRs: upower -e | ŋrep BAT
[15:43] <tomreyn> HaMsTeRs: upower -e | grep -i BAT
[15:43] <tomreyn> sorry ;)
[15:44] <HaMsTeRs> $ /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/line_power_ADP1
[15:44] <HaMsTeRs> no BAT
[15:45] <tomreyn> okay, your system probably has no battery then? i didn't follow the conversation, don't know what you're trying to do.
[15:45] <tomreyn> either no battery or the bios doesnt announce it to the OS
[15:46] <HaMsTeRs> I'm running Ubuntu on Surface Pro 2017
[15:47] <HaMsTeRs> battery status not reporting to the system
[15:47] <tomreyn> i see, and tj already went over it with you. if he couldnt help, i wont be able to
[15:48] <HaMsTeRs> heh, don't say that.  already appreciated for your help
[15:49] <TJ-> tomreyn: the Surface devices expose the ACPI BAT* on the i2c bus and we don't have the correct command/result values to be able to access/decode state
[15:51] <tomreyn> thanks for summing it up.  but yeah, i have no clue about this, can't help.
[15:52] <TJ->  Someone (Jake Day) is maintaining a repo of drivers for those devices but even that hasn't yet solved the SP 2017 BAT reading
[15:52] <TJ-> This is the kind of area where MS could show it's real Open source credentials by releasing a driver, or the technical data
[15:54] <tomreyn> maybe the hardware branch hasn't been told about microsofts' "new" open source friendlyness, yet.
[15:54] <TJ-> Or maybe it's still 'embrace, extend, extinguish'
[15:55] <lordcirth> Pretty sure we're nearing the end of the first E
[15:56] <HaMsTeRs> I can say, the same USB (with Ubuntu installed) placed on my x260, everything works fine
[15:56] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: if you twitter you should send a suggestion to MS CEO on open-sourcing the driver/tech data :)
[15:57] <HaMsTeRs> I could try, but don't think they'll care.
[15:57] <lordcirth> MS has no intention of improving desktop linux, quite the opposite.  But it could be fun to ask.
[15:58] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: you never know; copy it as an issue to Jake Day's repo, might get a few ppl to support you... MS is quite sensitive these days re open source
[16:02] <HaMsTeRs> Maybe.   So in my case, I love everything on my Ubuntu linux except the battery status issue which makes me unable to use it as my main OS.  I works lots of document and spreadsheet, I cannot afford battery die without noticing
[16:02] <HaMsTeRs> so this stopped my switch
[16:02] <HaMsTeRs> so I guess I'll have to stick with Wins again
[16:03] <HaMsTeRs> until oneday someone could resolve the issue
[16:03] <HaMsTeRs> End of Story :D
[16:08] <HaMsTeRs> thanks everyone
[16:08] <HaMsTeRs> It's 00:00 here, i need to go to bed.
[16:08] <HaMsTeRs> have a good day to you all
[16:09] <HaMsTeRs> Special thanks to TJ- , lordcirth, tomreyn and all others who helpd
[16:09] <HaMsTeRs> me on the case
[16:09] <HaMsTeRs> good bye
[16:09] <lordcirth> Didn't really help but ok :P
[16:11] <BluesKaj> what about this for battery indication https://itsfoss.com/display-battery-ubuntu/
[16:11] <BluesKaj> too bad he left
[16:41] <TJ-> BluesKaj: the problem is the device firmware isn't exposing the battery readings
[16:47] <BluesKaj> TJ-, bummer
[17:27] <UBUxUBU> how to i make flsah install in chromium
[17:27] <UBUxUBU> when i try to watch tv it say allow flash and i do then it asks me to download it and o try but nothing happens it does not download
[17:28] <UBUxUBU> hhow to i get flash installed and running ineither ubuntu firefox or chromium
[17:28] <leftyfb> UBUxUBU: why not use chrome? It's built in.
[17:29] <leftyfb> UBUxUBU: https://www.wikihow.com/Install-Flash-Player-on-Ubuntu first result on google for "ubuntu firefox flash"
[17:29] <OerHeks> flash is not needed, in html5, but if the videowindow asks for flash, click install, and a security dialog should pop up, click yes, and you are fine
[17:29] <tomreyn> because of its proprietary compoenents, i would guess
[17:29] <OerHeks> flash is dead
[17:30] <tomreyn> or should be by now
[17:30] <tomreyn> sudo apt install pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[17:30] <leftyfb> OerHeks: won't work if the partner repo isn't enabled
[17:30] <UBUxUBU> it is needed
[17:31] <leftyfb> pepperflashplugin-nonfree is in multiverse
[17:31] <UBUxUBU> i just logged on to my TV and it wont do anything less i get flash
[17:31] <UBUxUBU> then it ask me to turn t on and i do and it wont play
[17:31] <UBUxUBU> then it ask to download it and it wont download
[17:31] <leftyfb> "As of 2015-05, the old "pepperflashplugin-nonfree" is deprecated in favor of an official, maintained, one-step package called adobe-flashplugin, which works for Firefox and Chromium and derivatives, but not for Yandex.Browser 46.0.2490.3623 beta (64-bit version) on November 2015"
[17:31] <leftyfb> UBUxUBU: follow the first link I gave you
[17:32] <UBUxUBU> i dontnunderstand why ubuntu cant wtch tv w/o doing this
[17:32] <UBUxUBU> this is like kindergarden
[17:32] <leftyfb> UBUxUBU: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[17:32] <UBUxUBU> 18 04 01
[17:32] <UBUxUBU> shouldnt matter if it 10 years old
[17:32] <leftyfb> UBUxUBU: ok, follow the first link I gave you
[17:32] <UBUxUBU> no wonder i keep win around
[17:32] <leftyfb> UBUxUBU: and yes, it 100% matters
[17:33] <OerHeks> blame the website?
[17:33] <mirazi_heket> hey, how do set alsa to output sound by default to normal output (not front panel)? can provide all info
[17:34] <UBUxUBU> my software uodater doea not look like that i cant find those extras in ti
[17:35] <UBUxUBU> what do i search for in the software thing un ubuntu
[17:35] <UBUxUBU> what do i enter into the search bar
[17:36] <UBUxUBU> usedto be called restricted extras
[17:36] <UBUxUBU> the link did not help me
[17:38] <tomreyn> UBUxUBU: the package you want to install is "pepperflashplugin-nonfree" from the multiverse section of the ubuntu repositories
[17:38] <leftyfb> they left
[17:38] <tomreyn> oh
[17:38] <leftyfb> no patience or ability to figure things out
[17:38] <tomreyn> obviously ubuntus fault ;)
[17:39] <leftyfb> tomreyn: I did link to the official wiki that says that package is deprecated
[17:39] <leftyfb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Flash
[17:39] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i didnt spot this link posted previously
[17:40] <CookieM> install flashplugin-installer from the repos, which will automatically download and install the plugin
[17:40] <leftyfb> CookieM: correct, I already linked to instructions on doing so
[17:41] <leftyfb> but since ubuntu has changed to gnome, the UI is slightly different so exact screenshots aren't enough for someone who refuses to use their brain to adapt to changes
[17:41] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Partner-Flash looks like they could have understood.
[17:41] <TJ-> mirazi_heket: configuring the output profile depends on how the driver describes the outputs. "aplay -L" might help identify which sink you need
[17:42] <tomreyn> leftyfb: you seem to be right about preferring the package from the partner repo there.
[17:42] <CookieM> I didn’t like the new gnomey inteface and went back to my sweet Unity
[17:42] <mirazi_heket> found culprit
[17:42] <mirazi_heket> TJ-: https://paste.ofcode.org/8CrKTbC55qhHSnupwq9XAj
[17:42] <leftyfb> CookieM: I never liked unity and have always used gnome flashback. I haven't moved to 18.04 yet because of work
[17:43] <mirazi_heket> im checking now how can i set that (can be by cli)
[17:44] <mirazi_heket> "amixer set 'Analog Output' 'Stereo Headphones'" now i need to find how i can set this by default (dont want really use /etc/rc.local or similar approach)
[17:44] <CookieM> maybe because some serious settings were hidden in gnome but magically became visible under Unity
[17:46] <leftyfb> tomreyn: I just walked though the instructions I posted. I actually can't seem to get pepperflash or the installer to show up in the software center UI search results
[17:46] <TJ-> mirazi_heket: are you using ALSA directly, or via the standard pulseaudio?
[17:46] <mirazi_heket> right now its direct approach, not sure if pa can handle that, i dont mind
[17:46] <TJ-> leftyfb: possibly they don't have any appstream data?
[17:47] <leftyfb> I don't think the installer does, by the nature of how it does things. Not sure about pepper
[17:49] <mirazi_heket> ok, case solved
[17:49] <mirazi_heket> https://askubuntu.com/questions/50067/howto-save-alsamixer-settings
[18:57] <Sven_vB> how can I get a more descriptive error report from debootstrap? https://paste.debian.net/plainh/a43535ba
[19:20] <rickyandrews> How can I go about configuring a command to run every hour in linux, I'm net.
[19:20] <rickyandrews> How can I go about configuring a command to run every hour in linux, I'm new.
[19:21] <OerHeks> rickyandrews, there is cron
[19:21] <OerHeks> !cron
[19:22] <rickyandrews> How do you set up cronjobs without the use of an editor? Say on a server or something inside a script
[19:22] <OerHeks> why without editor ??
[19:22] <OerHeks> crontab -e # and add your instance
[19:22] <rickyandrews> No I mean, what if I do something like setupcron.sh
[19:23] <rickyandrews> and I want that to automate it
[19:25] <AndyChow888> What is setupcron.sh
[19:25] <AndyChow888> And which implementation of cron are you using?
[19:25] <rickyandrews> Whatever comes by default
[19:26] <rickyandrews> Would it be something like (crontab -l ; echo "1 * * * * echo "Hello world"") | crontab
[19:27] <AndyChow888> -l is to view. -e to edit.
[19:28] <rickyandrews> well is using -e going to add it
[19:29] <rickyandrews> crontab -e prevents me from being about to do anything now
[19:29] <rickyandrews> So that didn't work anyway.
[19:29] <ddoobb> How do I search for a package from installed packages?
[19:29] <rickyandrews> errors in crontab file, can't install.
[19:29] <ddoobb> dpkg -S?
[19:30] <AndyChow888> ddoobb, apt list --installed | grep -i search_term
[19:30] <AndyChow888> replace search_term with what you want to search
[19:33] <ddoobb> AndyChow888: thanks mate
[19:34] <TJ-> ddoobb: AndyChow888 it's much easier to just do "apt list --installed <partial-search-term>" as in "apt list --installed *apt*"
[19:35] <AndyChow888> TJ-, I'm honestly not familiar with apt. I use | grep all the time. But you are correct.
[19:36] <TJ-> AndyChow888: I find "man XXXX" really useful for picking up a flavour for this kind of thing, I browse/skim them occassionally
[19:54] <cognition> is Apparmor to ubuntu what selinux is to RHEL?
[19:55] <blackflow> cognition: I wouldn't make that comparison, no. Both are mandatory access list LSMs. SELinux should be available on Ubuntu too.
[19:55] <blackflow> s/list/control
[19:57] <blackflow> but if you're asking whether AppArmor is default supported MAC on Ubuntu, like SELinux is on RHEL and clones, then yes.
[19:58] <cognition> blackflow: Thank you, I appreciate it
[20:12] <Qutorial> Can't open images in digiKam
[20:12] <Qutorial> any channels to recommend, or other suggestions?
[20:14] <AndyChow888> Have you setup digikam? Defined collections and defined the database?
[20:14] <Qutorial> I did initial setup
[20:14] <Qutorial> I switched from Win10 for extra speed and to be FOSS
[20:14] <Qutorial> I'm just trying to get FAST preview of my raw files
[20:15] <Qutorial> everything is suuuuper slow
[20:15] <Qutorial> time from double click to preview is #1 priority
[20:16] <AndyChow888> Humm, is there no thumbnail generation?
[20:17] <Qutorial> no, I don't know how to add a folder of raw files to it even
[20:17] <Qutorial> add album, add folder both grayed out
[20:17] <AndyChow888> Are you using KDE, Gnome?
[20:18] <Qutorial> Stock Ubuntu 18.04
[20:18] <Qutorial> whatever comes with it
[20:20] <ioria> Qutorial, can you try with gtkam ?  (digikam is for kde)
[20:22] <Qutorial> I'll try that
[20:22] <ioria> Qutorial, and i'd install ubuntu-resticted-extras if you work with media types (you might need a reboot after that)
[20:23] <AndyChow888> What is your current database configuration in digikam? If you go in settings, configure, digikam.
[20:23] <Qutorial> ioria, thanks
[20:23] <ioria> *ubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:24] <Qutorial> media is one of my primary things
[20:24] <Qutorial> photo editing/management, 2d/3d authoring and editing
[20:24] <ioria> i guess you need that pkg
[20:25] <AndyChow888> There's also a "preview settings" configuration. I would check that.
[20:25] <Qutorial> AndyChow888, I picked sqlite for everything at launch
[20:28] <AndyChow888> How big is your collection?
[20:30] <Qutorial> my photo library is on disk only, I only manage one card full at a time
[20:30] <Qutorial> haven't found anything fast enough to be worth using
[20:30] <AndyChow888> Do you have over 100 000 items?
[20:30] <Qutorial> no, I have 300 files in this batch
[20:31] <Qutorial> I find the good ones, process, and archive to a 2TB portable
[20:31] <Qutorial> I WAS using picasa
[20:31] <Qutorial> I'm sure you've heard that before
[20:32] <Qutorial> literally, all I want is super fast raw file preview
[20:32] <AndyChow888> Ok. Maybe the database has become bloated. But in your preview settings, "Embedded view shows a small quick preview" should be selected over "shows the full image"
[20:33] <AndyChow888> You might want to look at your database, using sqlitebrowser. I'm a bit out of ideas.
[20:33] <Qutorial> I guess the problem is that I'm supposed to work from a permanent, fixed location always
[20:33] <Qutorial> there's no good way for me to just browse a directory
[20:34] <AndyChow888> digikam is, from my understanding, more of a collection manager than an editing workflow tool.
[20:34] <Qutorial> the 1, sole feature I want is fast preview of files
[20:34] <Qutorial> any suggestions for that?
[20:35] <Qutorial> these applications are all huge, slow, and cumbersome
[20:35] <Qutorial> I don't need any other features
[20:35] <AndyChow888> You could just browse the folder? With nautilus?
[20:35] <ioria> shotwell
[20:37] <Qutorial> Nautilus is the built in file browser?
[20:37] <AndyChow888> Yes, Qutorial
[20:37] <AndyChow888> files, they call it now. But the real name is nautilus
[20:38] <Qutorial> it does raw file preview?
[20:38] <Qutorial> would be fantastic if so
[20:39] <AndyChow888> You might have to install "gnome-raw-thumbnail"
[20:39] <AndyChow888> sudo apt-get install gnome-raw-thumbnailer
[20:39] <AndyChow888> Then sudo nautilus -q
[20:39] <ioria> !info gnome-raw-thumbnail
[20:40] <AndyChow888> !info gnome-raw-thumbnailer
[20:40] <ioria> oh, yeah
[20:41] <Qutorial> it looks like it takes over 10 seconds to open one image!
[20:42] <AndyChow888> Probably. How big are your images?
[20:42] <ioria> Qutorial, ok, so what's your hw ?
[20:42] <AndyChow888> If they are 80 MB, and your read speed on the sd card is 8 MB/s, makes sense.
[20:42] <Qutorial> from DISK I mean
[20:42] <Qutorial> on ssd
[20:42] <Qutorial> i7 2790k, 16GB ram, gtx780ti
[20:42] <ioria> beefy
[20:43] <Qutorial> and yet, arrowing through 300 images at near-instant speeds seems practically impossible
[20:43] <Qutorial> nothing can do it
[20:43] <Qutorial> except the long-dead picasa
[20:46] <AndyChow888> Once the thumbnails are generated, they stay generated. So the initial time is not good, but at least it's a one-time deal.
[20:48] <ioria> Qutorial, i suggest installing the said pkgs and reboot (maybe also libopenraw7 libopenrawgnome7)
[20:49] <Qutorial> ioria, okay
[20:57] <Cavanini> Hi! I have Ubuntu 14.04 gnome3 ..... I have a problem with my audio device; does not recognice nothing ... so I don't have sound
[21:00] <tomreyn> Cavanini: how did you get gnome3 on ubuntu 14.04?
[21:01] <Cavanini> tomreyn: a proffessional installed it with gnome
[21:01] <AndyChow888> Gnome 3.10 is installed by default on 14.04
[21:02] <Cavanini> proffesional: I mean, a simple man
[21:02] <Cavanini> ahm ok! :)
[21:02] <Cavanini> how do I fix this problem? please
[21:03] <balsaq> intersting issue with 18.04, i logged into my cable tv acct to watch tv could not do it in ubuntu had to use windows to watch tv?
[21:04] <balsaq> the ppl who make ubuntu dont know how t odo this?
[21:04] <enfire> Hello. I've installed latest ubuntu on an external SSD, when I boot from it, everything is really slow, even mouse is barely moving with huge lag. Live disk booted and worked perfectly. Do you know what can be the reason?
[21:04] <balsaq> tried firefox and chomium in 18 04 neither one knows how to do tv
[21:05] <TJ-> balsaq: nothing to do with Ubuntu; That is down to how the cable TV deliver the video stream. If they use open documented standards Linux distros will be able to support it; if they use proprietary/bug-ridden software  (e.g. Flash) then it won't be well-supported, and possibly is deprecated
[21:06] <balsaq> why cant ubuntu make it work
[21:06] <balsaq> they could run a flash plud in as a virtualized plug in
[21:06] <balsaq> plug*
[21:07] <TJ-> balsaq: we do not have access to the source-code, and where there are better open alternatives we prefer them
[21:07] <tomreyn> Cavanini: oops, sorry, i was thinking 14.04 was still providing gnome 2, my bad.
[21:08] <balsaq> chromiun actually offered me a pop up to let flash run and it still didnt work
[21:08] <tomreyn> Cavanini: have you considered an upgrade, though? 14.04 is going EOL in a couple months
[21:08] <TJ-> balsaq: and the browser publishers decide if and how they want to support external executables like Flash. Flash in particular has always been a mess
[21:08] <elias_a> balsaq: Have you installed flash?
[21:09] <balsaq> dont we have ubuntu restriced extras anymore/
[21:10] <Cavanini> tomreyn: I'm not sure about that. I have a notebook with 7 years old
[21:11] <Cavanini> tomreyn: not feel safe with upgrading with this notebook
[21:11] <tomreyn> Cavanini: thats not a good reason to waive plans for an OS upgrade
[21:11] <TJ-> !info flashplug-installer |  balsaq
[21:11] <tomreyn> Cavanini: if the hardware is falling apart maybe a better goal is to plan for a hardware replacement
[21:11] <TJ-> ha! learn to type Tj!
[21:12] <TJ-> !info flashplugin-installer |  balsaq
[21:12] <TJ-> balsaq: I'm not sure if that fetches the plugin from the Canonical partner repository or not
[21:12] <balsaq> DOES  that mean i could have watched tv
[21:13] <balsaq> i could not finds that reposir]toiry
[21:13] <balsaq> where is it
[21:13] <Cavanini> tomreyn: yes, maybe you're right. This is a Toshiba Satellite 755 .... software runs GREAT ... but hardware sadly its coming wrong gradually
[21:14] <Cavanini> tomreyn: software run GREAT ... with ubuntu, obviously
[21:14] <TJ-> balsaq: as the info line above shows, you need to enable the "multiverse" component in software properties
[21:14] <TJ-> balsaq: or use "sudo add-apt-repository multiverse"
[21:15] <balsaq> how do i so that i was trying for that before could not find it
[21:15] <balsaq> ok thanks
[21:16] <tomreyn> Cavanini: while you have no replacement, i'd still very much recommend running a supported release. you can always switch to a less demanding GUI.
[21:18] <Takagami> I need to go pick up an 18.04 book... it's changed enough from 16.04 LTS to have left me in the dust...
[21:18] <tomreyn> !releasenotes | start here, Takagami
[21:19] <Cavanini> tomreyn: Ok, thank you very much! Have a good day!
[21:20] <tomreyn> Cavanini: you, too!
[21:21] <coconut> Can the startup sound of ubuntu also be configured for "random"?
[21:22] <balsaq> once i get the reposiitry then what do i do to make flash work
[21:23] <balsaq> do i then have to run a commnd
[21:25] <TJ-> balsaq: "sudo apt install flashplugin-installer"
[21:27] <balsaq> ok ty tj ill go to my ubuntu computer and do it
[21:29] <balsaq> hope it works
[21:30] <balsaq> whats cool about edge i can turn flash on and off as i want
[21:30] <balsaq> i have ot off all the time normally
[21:30] <TJ-> balsaq: I stopped using any site that had Flash many years ago now
[21:31] <balsaq> yeah but watching my cable tv on my laptop is very nice
[21:31] <balsaq> its not a ewebsite
[21:31] <TJ-> balsaq: OK, any 'service'
[21:31] <balsaq> if a randowm webiste tells me i need flash i leave
[21:32] <AndyChow888> It's not a website? What is it?
[21:33] <balsaq> its my cable TV
[21:33] <balsaq> i can log into my acct and watch tv on my computer
[21:34] <balsaq> but like TJ said ive im surfing the net and some site tells em i need flash i leave it
[21:34] <AndyChow888> How do you connect to your cable tv? Do you have a card with a coax?
[21:34] <TJ-> balsaq: it could be that the device is using some weird configuration of Flash, that includes some DRM
[21:35] <balsaq> flash needs to part of and managed by (virtualized in a container) so i cannot harm the system
[21:35] <balsaq> the ppl who make the OS need t ouse a version of flash that they control
[21:36] <balsaq> vitualized and with a on off swtich
[21:37] <balsaq> thsat way if a trojan tried to crawl up into the OS ...its welcome becasue it is stuck in a jar.
[21:37] <balsaq> its the ppl whoi make the OS that need to know how to use it and control it
[21:38] <blackflow> balsaq: except containers are not security boundaries. exploiting the host wouldn't be much of a problem, given sufficient vulnerabilities in the kernel.
[21:38] <blackflow> especially so with USER_NS as some parts of the kernel might not be aware of it and think uid=0 really is uid=0
[21:38] <balsaq> a plug in can be dids-allowed to make changs to the system
[21:39] <balsaq> a plug in can be run with no right to make changes
[21:39] <blackflow> it's not absolute.
[21:39] <balsaq> just depends on coders
[21:40] <balsaq> ill give erxample:
[21:40] <balsaq> and ive tried thiws experiment with xp  vista   7  and 10   ....
[21:41] <balsaq> i installed sandbox and loaded every virus i could find and after the session i deleted the sandbox and all the systems were clean
[21:42] <balsaq> i even went the the malware domain list and downloaded more virus
[21:42] <OerHeks> How does one tell the windows system is clean?
[21:42] <blackflow> it's all moot if flash is given GPU access. gpu driver runs in kernel and a vuln there could easily allow RCE in kernel context
[21:42] <balsaq> there is a way to blaock that
[21:42] <balsaq> i just am not a coder so i dont know how
[21:42] <blackflow> modern software and operating systems are far more vulnerable than people give them credit. and even if you had 100% non-vulnerable software? guess what. you're betrayed by hardware.
[21:43] <blackflow> balsaq: it's never absolute nor 100%
[21:43] <OerHeks> good malware keeps other malware out
[21:43] <balsaq> linux id 1000 times tougher that Xp and  i was not ableto infect XP using sandbox
[21:43] <blackflow> balsaq: by what metric?
[21:44] <balsaq> 1st off hardy anyone tried to infect consumer OS they do try to hack linux servers yes
[21:44] <blackflow> you just said you're "not a coder and you don't know". yeah.
[21:44] <blackflow> at any rate, offtopic.
[21:44] <blackflow> !ot
[21:45] <balsaq> i dont know how to mkae flash safe in linux
[21:45] <balsaq> ibut is its sandboxed correctly i think it is safe
[21:45] <blackflow> balsaq: you can't, it talks to gpu. game over. also, any xorg application is game over too, given total lack of security contexts in Xorg.
[21:46] <surfn> hi
[21:46] <balsaq> but if u have a button, a trigger that vrtuaoized the entore session,,,gpu and all
[21:46] <blackflow> balsaq: it's not. it's "sandboxed" using namespaces. especially USER_NS. not all parts of the kernel might be aware of USER_NS, that's the problem with it.
[21:46] <surfn> I'm running headless.  And I'm trying to capture video on /dev/video0 but I'm getting X11 errors
[21:46] <blackflow> balsaq: there's no such thing. and VMs? also quite vulnerable. case in point recent total-host-ownage vuln in VirtualBox.
[21:46] <balsaq> sandbox the entire session , use of kermal and all
[21:47] <blackflow> kermal eh? right...
[21:47] <TJ-> surfn: what are you using to capture?
[21:47] <blackflow> perhaps #ubuntu-offtopic is more suitable for this.
[21:47] <surfn> AV.io HD
[21:47] <balsaq> so we cant make something that simply disallows changes to the system?
[21:47] <surfn> and mplayer
[21:47] <balsaq> OK ENOUGH SAID
[21:47] <blackflow> balsaq: not on X86
[21:47] <balsaq> oops caps
[21:48] <blackflow> you need capability based hardware for that. none of the consumer grade ones are.
[21:48] <AndyChow888> surfn, what's your error message?
[21:48] <surfn> @TJ- FATAL: Cannot initialize video driver.
[21:49] <surfn> amongst them
[21:49] <TJ-> surfn: I meant which software? I presume the av.io HD device presents the /dev/video0 device?
[21:49] <surfn> @TJ- yes, and mplayer
[21:49] <AndyChow888> What are the other error messages? Use a paste service.
[21:51] <surfn> https://dpaste.de/GDuH
[21:51] <AndyChow888> You need to install the whole video stack.
[21:52] <surfn> @AndyChow888 how?
[21:52] <surfn> again, headless
[21:52] <AndyChow888> Do you have a video card at all, even headless?
[21:52] <surfn> So I know it exists, because I had it plugged into a monitor when I installed
[21:53] <surfn> It's just intel whatever.
[21:53] <surfn> intel i3
[21:53] <TJ-> surfn: I'd guess it depends on what mplayer command-line options you're using. There used to be a package mplayer-nogui but that was combined into the mplayer package so it needs options to be told to work stand-alone without the X server
[21:53] <OerHeks> virtual framebuffer, perhaps?
[21:54] <surfn> ok, so here's what I'm trying to do.
[21:54] <surfn> I want to see what I can see on the AV.io
[21:54] <AndyChow888> Install mesa, xf86-video-intel
[21:54] <Takagami> tomreyn I have read over most of that... it mostly just the little configuration nuances from the changes, things I would do, services I would build and have working within minutes in 16.04... I go through the process in 18.04 and run into issues for NEW configuration steps that aren't exactly documented... because they are "assumed" already done o
[21:54] <Takagami> r known...
[21:54] <surfn> to test what I can see, I'm usng mplayer
[21:55] <surfn> @AndyChow888 do you have a link for instructions?
[21:56] <surfn> and I'm using it over command line - in mac.
[21:56] <AndyChow888> apt-get install xf86-video-intel mesa
[21:56] <frpedro> hello, someone is so kind to tell me how the sound icon is put in the gnome bar
[21:57] <surfn> E: Unable to locate package xf86-video-intel
[21:57] <surfn> E: Unable to locate package mesa
[21:58] <AndyChow888> What is in your /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[21:58] <TJ-> surfn: Are you trying to watch camera connected to the Ubuntu headless PC from an Apple Mac?
[21:58] <surfn> yes
[21:58] <OerHeks> i think you want xserver-xorg-video-intel
[21:59] <surfn> @TJ- yes, I'm ssh -Y
[21:59] <surfn> xserver-xorg-video-intel is already the newest version (2:2.99.917+git20171229-1).
[22:02] <TJ-> surfn: in that situation I'd set up vlc to stream /dev/video0 over RTSP which makes it easy to connect to from any device
[22:03] <surfn> @TJ- can you suggest an instructions page where I could follow along?
[22:03] <frpedro> hello does anyone know how to put the sound icon in gnome in the bar ubuntu 18?
[22:03] <TJ-> surfn: I can do better; I run exactly that config on a server to monitor a remote office. Let me pull the config files for you. Give me a couple of minutes
[22:03] <tomreyn> Takagami: getting to know systemd in general is surely a good thing to do. it changes a LOT of mechanics. and there's not a lot of ubuntu specific documentation on it, but then it doesn't need to be ubuntu specific either.
[22:03] <surfn> @TJ- awesome!
[22:04] <tomreyn> Takagami: but some other documentation is still lacking, at least inthe usual places, i agree. snaps and netplan could use a better introduction.
[22:06] <TJ-> surfn: here's a tar.gz file with all the files, plus a README. There are 2 camera feeds in it; you want the "studio" config
[22:06] <TJ-> surfn: http://iam.tj/projects/misc/vlc-rtsp-services.tar.gz
[22:10] <surfn> @TJ- before I add it to systemd though, i want to test it
[22:11] <surfn> @TJ- what is the line command configuration for VLC so I can test it?
[22:15] <TJ-> surfn: it's actually in the systemd template file :)
[22:17] <TJ-> surfn: the "ExecStart=" line; replace all the %I with 'studio' and make sure you've put /etc/vlc/studio.vlm in place
[22:18] <TJ-> surfn: also, you'll need to execute the two ExecStartPre= commands
[22:19] <TJ-> surfn: notice the studio service will broadcast from port 2002 so on your remote systems you'd connect to trsp://host.with.camera:2002/
[22:22] <TJ-> surfn: you may need to tweak the /etc/vlc/studio.vlm to set the size of the output stream to match what the camera produces/the bandwidth you want it to use
[22:25] <paranoidi> trying to get ubuntu dualboot ongoing, but os-prober is not detecting windows 10 from a separate drive. I have tried to mount partitions before running os-prober per some tips but nothing. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/M7rDx4BSHM/
[22:25] <surfn> @TJ- I can't get anything to show up.
[22:25] <surfn> The video does not exist.
[22:28] <TJ-> surfn: is the command running on the Ubuntu system, or did it fail?
[22:28] <surfn> I'm going even more basic rn.
[22:28] <surfn> I've opened VLC
[22:29] <surfn> I'm trying to get it to stream.
[22:29] <surfn> and no luck
[22:29] <TJ-> surfn: what do you mean "opened vlc" ?
[22:29] <surfn> I ran vlc
[22:29] <TJ-> surfn: do you mean you have a GUI session on the local console of the Ubuntu system that has the camera?
[22:30] <surfn> yeah
[22:30] <TJ-> surfn: so it is no longer headless
[22:30] <surfn> in a manner of speaking
[22:30] <TJ-> surfn: you're making this much harder than it should be; if you cannot be precise we cannot help!
[22:33] <surfn> @TJ- the machine is still headless, it has no monitor, no keyboard, no mouse.
[22:33] <surfn> I am SSH'd in.
[22:33] <surfn> and I'm running VLC over SSH
[22:33] <AndyChow888> Is mesa installed?
[22:33] <HipHop-openbox> TJ-, how are you defining headless..? means no monitor, mouse or keyboard
[22:34] <TJ-> surfn: right; so use the command from the systemd template unit, with the %I replaced with 'studio'
[22:34] <surfn> @AndyChow888 how can I tell
[22:34] <TJ-> surfn: if that command fails, tell us the exact error message.
[22:35] <AndyChow888> glxinfo | grep "OpenGL"
[22:36] <surfn> @AndyChow888 https://dpaste.de/miQD
[22:37] <AndyChow888> Yeah, install mesa
[22:37] <surfn> how?
[22:37] <AndyChow888> It provides the OpenGL thing.
[22:37] <AndyChow888> sudo apt-get install mesa
[22:37] <surfn> E: Unable to locate package mesa
[22:37] <AndyChow888> I'm pretty sure this is deja vu.
[22:38] <surfn> yeah...
[22:38] <surfn> @AndyChow888
[22:41] <surfn> nvm doing it now
[23:56] <UBuxuBU> why does ubuntu show my drive as only one big partition
[23:58] <OerHeks> as of 17.04, fresh ubuntu installs in one partition, and uses  a swapfile standard