=== jje_ is now known as jje === jje_ is now known as jje [00:24] does anyone know any linux software that would let you annotate whatever window you are in, whatever app you are using, like write and draw on the screen. Like the idea of Microsoft Ink? [00:44] tomreyn: thanks! sorry for delay in response. what is ecryptfs ? [00:44] i don't actually know what that is supposed to be [00:45] Smaug_: encrypted home directory [00:45] !ecryptsfs [00:45] !ecryptfs [00:45] i guess not [00:47] tomreyn: how should i deal with it? i guess i encryped my home dir at some point, is that what it means? [00:50] Does ubuntu have any default suspend/hibernate settings if I'm not running an X session? [00:50] Smaug_: i think the 'df -h' output you posted earlier showedd that there is an ecryptfs encrypted file system mounted at /home/thomas, sized 225 GB. this size may be misleading, i'm not sure what it's based on. an ecryptfs file system would normally mounted when you login, assuming this mechanisms still works properly. [00:50] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome [00:52] tomreyn: ok [01:00] are there any specific sdd brands that do not work with ubuntu? [01:01] im looking at samsung, crucial, western digital. which works straight out the box with ubuntu? [01:04] gambl0re: to my knowledge *most* SSDs work out of the box, I'm not aware of any that need special firmware or drivers. (Whether they work with your system's hardware that you already ahve or not is a different story, and not necessarily Ubuntu specific) [01:05] to my knowledge, all the brands you just mentioned work out of the box. [01:05] gambl0re, if you have an SSD that uses the SATA interface, you are 99.999999E12354 % guaranteed that it will work with ubuntu. [01:05] ^ thid [01:05] this* [01:06] i read that some ssd brands had a bug with TRIM? [01:06] NVMe or such might be different or tricky, but if it's a typical SSD that uses SATA it's almost guaranteed to work [01:06] those are 3 year old stories, gambl0re [01:06] gambl0re: i think you're talking about 2015-era SSDs from Samsung [01:07] that's *3 years old* and long since fixed [01:07] same answer as in ##linux [01:07] ^ [01:07] if you go and buy a new Samsung SSD today, TRIM should work fine OOTB with LInux [01:08] thanks guys [01:08] just don't fill the ssd to the brim, 90% or a little more [01:08] ^ that [01:09] dont you insert the ssd just like you would with a ram stick? [01:09] but that would be not true with LVM [01:09] gambl0re, depends on the interface. [01:09] gambl0re: you might be thinking of M.2 or NVMe SSD drives [01:09] not standard SSD drives [01:10] I'm suddenly getting Terminal Emulator is not set. errors when I use F4 to open a terminal window in Lubuntu. I did sudo update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator and it said lxterminal was already selected... what do I need to do to get F4 to open a terminal to the directory I'm in in PCManFM? [01:10] sorry im talking about m.2 [01:10] the ssd that looks like a ram stick [01:11] I went to kernel.org and downloaded the latest stable kernel and now I'm compiling it [01:12] in theory I can boot from it when its done and I do make install ? [01:12] cnnx: that's not something we support [01:12] cnnx, one better uses the mainline repo for that, but you can https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel [01:13] ty [01:13] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ [01:13] even those are only intended for testing [01:13] !mainline [01:13] The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds [01:14] jups [01:15] laest stable would be 4.19 http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.19.1/ [01:23] #linux [01:48] i fought the law and the law won.. i am installing 18.04.1 [01:48] couldnt do anything, even going into recovery, installing nvidia 4.10 drivers and removing nouveau had the same effect [02:00] XLV did you remember to blacklist nouveau ? [02:00] WoC, it was removed [02:01] anyhow it wasnt nouveau [02:01] it got stuck on somethng else [02:01] but it was a last ditch effort to install nvidia drvs in there [02:15] hi [02:15] is there any rules for computer host name? [02:19] sure [02:20] " Each element of the hostname must be from 1 to 63 characters long and the entire hostname, including the dots, can be at most 253 characters long. Valid characters for hostnames are ASCII(7) letters from a to z, the digits from 0 to 9, and the hyphen (-). A hostname may not start with a hyphen." [02:42] OerHeks: can it be upperscore/lowerscore mixed? [02:42] uppercase/lowercase* [02:45] i believe not .. [02:45] just lowercase [02:47] lest i'm mistaken, there may be some issues if you use host certificates and creative uc/lc mixes ? [02:58] Can you please to tell me why ppa:ondrej/apache2 doesn't work? Even though I managed to install it and put apt-get update but it doesn't find the package, even though a command apt-cache policy lists that source. [03:12] is it possible to force another user to source their bashrc? === [1]MrMobius is now known as MrMobius [04:01] Hi [04:01] since I upgraded to 18.04 my Fruho stopped working. [04:01] I can't connect to any VPN servers now. [04:01] Tried removing and reinstalling Fruho to no avail. [04:10] Looking for a hand. I am running Ubuntu 18.04 and i need to install docker 18.06? This isn't working "apt install docker-ce=18.06.1" === capella is now known as capella|away [04:16] !info docker-ce bionic | PenguinPerk [04:16] PenguinPerk: Package docker-ce does not exist in bionic [04:22] ubottu and Bashing-om what am i missing then: docker-ce/bionic,now 5:18.09.0~3-0~ubuntu-bionic amd64 [installed] [04:22] PenguinPerk: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) === beaver_ is now known as foob4r [04:23] PenguinPerk: Not in the repo - so I "assume" a PPA ? what shows ' apt policy docker-ce/ ' ? === capella|away is now known as capella [04:24] 18.06.1~ce~3-0~ubuntu 500 [04:24] 500 https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu bionic/stable amd64 Packages [04:24] Ubuntu bug 500 in kdegraphics (Ubuntu) "Package description does not match content/dependencies" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500 [04:24] Bashing-om, [04:25] PenguinPerk: Yup - PPA . [04:26] !ppa | PenguinPerk [04:26] PenguinPerk: A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge [04:26] ok [04:28] PenguinPerk: Might see what is offered: https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu/dists/bionic/nightly/ . [04:29] Bashing-om, nightly's are not stable correct/ [04:29] Nightlies are by definition compiled every day with the latest code. They will change constantly and may have bugs. [04:29] Bashing-om, I am working on building a Kubernetes cluster on Ubuntu 18.04... [04:31] Bashing-om, is there a docker version for Ubuntu 18.04? [04:31] PenguinPerk: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-use-docker-on-ubuntu-18-04 [04:33] PenguinPerk: "docker/bionic 1.5-1build1 amd64" [04:33] !info docker bionic | PenguinPerk [04:33] PenguinPerk: docker (source: docker): System tray for KDE3/GNOME2 docklet applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5-1build1 (bionic), package size 13 kB, installed size 43 kB [04:34] Bashing-om, I have seen that but when install the latest i get 18.09 [04:35] !info docker cosmic [04:35] docker (source: docker): transitional package. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5-2 (cosmic), package size 1 kB, installed size 9 kB [04:35] PenguinPerk: The package manager will always look at the latest version. On your case the PPA . [04:35] PenguinPerk, do you perhaps mean a docker container template of 18.04? [04:36] Docker version 18.09.0, build 4d60db4 [04:37] Perhaps Ubuntu and Docker use different versioning. Doesn't seem like that ought to stop whatever you are doing? [04:37] PenguinPerk: Right, and we have already shown that is from a PPA . [04:38] When i ran the kube-init I received an error. [ERROR SystemVerification]: unsupported docker version: 18.09.0 [04:38] After some reseach it appears that I need to have Docker 18.06 [04:40] Or possibly a newer kubernetes, instead? [04:40] Let me check, wasn't thinking that way [04:49] lordcirth, I am done for the night...picking it up again in the AM. TY [04:52] Hi [04:52] Trying to get my HP LaserJet 1018 to work with Ubuntu 18.04. [04:52] Really frustrating experience. [04:52] Any help? [05:05] Hi, just wanted to bump this up - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1802052 [05:05] Launchpad bug 1802052 in linux (Ubuntu) "WMI Error - ACPI Exception AE_NOT_FOUND" [Undecided,Confirmed] [05:05] bumping it here will do nothing. best bet is to subscribe to the bug. [05:06] Oh, I just bumped it here in case somebody is around who can take a look and help :) [05:10] lordcirth and Bashing-om - to install a particular version of docker: apt install docker-ce=18.06.1~ce~3-0~ubuntu [05:14] PenguinPerk: No, apt directs to our repository ,, where docker-ce does not exist . === capella is now known as capella|away [05:22] PenguinPerk: To install docker-ce will have to explore or inquire of the PPA what the versions are that "might" be made available in a particular release. Generally only one version is offered. [05:25] apparently i got it to work now [05:25] just need some new toner [05:26] so 16.04 is supported until 2021? [05:26] yes [05:26] but 18.04.1 is also LTS so consider upgrading [05:26] so 18.04 is only supported 2 more years until 2023 [05:26] eh? [05:26] that's not much extra for the risk of something going wrong when upgrading [05:27] 18.04 is LTS = 5 years support [05:27] and pretty sure now to 2023 is more than 2 years [05:27] yes, supported until 2023. that's only 2 years beyond 2021. [05:27] ah, OK [05:27] so i'm saying i'm not sure it's worth the risk for just an extra 2 years beyond the 16.04 support of 2021. [05:28] 16.04 system runs very well, so why chance it? [05:28] understood [05:28] however, there is an easy test [05:28] install virtualbox, put 18.04 in the box and pass your USB connections to the printer. test away [05:29] what's that going to test? [05:29] the printer? [05:30] passing your connections through will enable you to test all hardware [05:33] ‘Night Light’ – warms your display after sunset to promote natural sleep patterns [05:33] is this supposed to be better than redshift? === capella|away is now known as capella [05:38] "The most notable improvement will be in CPU usage. The Ubuntu Desktop team has greatly improved and reduced the CPU usage caused by Ubuntu 18.04." [05:38] mountains: Not sure. There's always f.lux too which I've used and enjoyed in the past [05:41] xrandr --output HDMI2 --set "Broadcast RGB" "Full" [05:42] This is what I used to type when I booted Ubuntu in order to get full color on my monitor. Without doing that I would get "Automatic" which was not Full. [05:42] Now when I type that in the terminal with my 18.04 build I get an error message. [05:42] Can you help me modify that to work with 18.04? [05:45] My laptop screen is pale (hardware failure) and an external monitor is connected. The installer sees it, but shows the 'try ubuntu' or 'install ubuntu' dialog on the wrong screen, and the quality of the image is insufficient for me to be able to move it. How do I prevent or work around this? [05:46] Is there a keyboard shortcut for 'try ubuntu' ? [05:47] during boot you can use the accessibility options to select high contrast. [05:51] Sveta you should also be able to modify the display options after boot, for that matter. [05:51] does ubuntu support fractional scaling? === wildlander is now known as JumpingBedsWithP === JumpingBedsWithP is now known as JumpBedsPyjames [06:12] So that the the GPU outputs at full range when Kodi starts and switches back to limited range when Kodi exits." [06:12] What's the benefit of Xrandr Limited color mode? [06:12] less memory? [06:18] So I've had an issue for years, over multiple releases of Ubuntu, where some MP3s will be silent. They play, audio visualizers do their thing, but no sound can be heard. It seems to affect most players, as well as Firefox and Chrome, but if I open them up in Audacity I can listen to them with audio there. [06:18] I've thinking about finally bug reporting this, but I figured I'd ask if this was a known thing. It seems like it should be, given the issues I've had, but googling has failed to turn up anything. No bug reports, no discussion. [06:19] did you install the restricted codecs, spoolq ? [06:19] or VLC Player? [06:19] Yes, but the documentation is awful. [06:19] VLC is silent. [06:20] It affects a bunch of audio content on videogame website giantbomb.com too, both in their browser media player and the downloaded files. [06:21] I would guess that some mp3's have exotic encoding, i.e. 44k instead of ##k. ***guess*** [06:22] Could I trouble you by asking you to visit this page, click play and tell me if you hear anything? https://www.giantbomb.com/shows/episode-181/2970-17661/free-podcast [06:26] Maybe it is sample rate. One audio book I have that's silent is 32k, the podcast I linked is 48k. Both silent. [06:26] no issues. I'm on 16.04 through a virtualbox [06:27] All right, thanks. [06:29] spoolq: All good here on a ChromeOS, Ubuntu 18.04, and Gentoo [06:30] Maybe it's my computer then. My Ubuntu has changed over the years, but the motherboard has remained the same. [06:30] I highly doubt it - the fact that some are working and some are not = I'd really think that would nearly have to be software [06:31] Unless you have some kind of exotic/non standard audio device? [06:31] ONLY on 18.04? and on SOME, not ALL, mp3's? doubtufl that it's hardware ... [06:31] I output via hdmi to an home cinema receiver these days, but I had the issue before then too. [06:31] spoolq: Have you tried booting the machine from live image and playing it? [06:32] spoolq: that would settle the hardware vs software step of the trouble shooting [06:32] Not only on 18.04, I've had it for years. Back in the 16.04 days too, most likely. [06:32] I haven't tried playing a problematic sound file from a live cd, I'll make sure to do so before bug reporting. [06:34] does anyone know a package I can install for reassigning keyboard keys? [06:35] I want to assign one to function as a right mouse click [06:37] That's way more difficult than you'd think it would be. I'm not aware of any easy solution. My own attempts to reassign some keys to my Swedish åäö characters ended in failure. It was way easier for me to reprogram my keyboard. [06:37] I basically want something like mousekeys worked on windows [06:37] or if I could reassign my side buttons, they appear to do back/forward [06:45] When I'm doing a full system upgrade to 18.04 should I have all my browser windows closed? [06:45] Does it make a difference? [06:46] I think linux is smart enough to deal with that [06:47] mountains, perhaps less ram usage = a speed bump but unless you are running multiple tabs, should be a minimal benefit [06:48] Well, I noticed in the terminal window when I was upgrading some error messages that certain config files couldn't be edited because they were in use or something like that, so it said "ignored" and moved on to the next thing to do. [06:48] I wonder if that would be taken care of when rebooting. [06:48] after install do sudo apt full-upgrade [06:49] just typed that now. nothing to do. [06:49] after reboot do so again [06:49] After my upgrade when I went to Software Updater I was prompted to do a small Partial Upgrade. [06:50] So far I haven't had any issues except that my Fruho stopped working with my Air VPN service and App Grid stopped working. In the latter case I reinstalled it now and it works fine. [06:50] Instead of Fruho I'm now using Eddie Open VPN. [06:51] I had to modify slightly my xrandr command from xrandr --output HDMI2 --set "Broadcast RGB" "Full" to xrandr --output HDMI-2 --set "Broadcast RGB" "Full" [06:54] the upgrade freed up a lot of space on my drive. [06:59] does anyone know how to run .swf files? firefox can't seem to open them [06:59] adobe's site mentions a 32 bit version for ubuntu but can't figure out how to install it [07:00] !flash | NewToLubuntu [07:00] NewToLubuntu: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - See also !Restricted and !Gnash [07:01] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FlashPlayerStandalone [07:02] I found flashplugin-downloader and flashplugin-installer on Synaptic Package Manager [07:02] I am 32-bit though so I think restricted-extras is what I need to go for [07:10] I added and clicked apply but doesn't seem to work [07:10] am I missing a step to enable? [07:10] I added both ubuntu extras and lubuntu extras [07:10] lubuntu-restricted-extras === [1]MrMobius is now known as MrMobius [07:32] Thanks everyone. I finally got Ubuntu running on SurfacePro 5 [07:34] Everything everything works great except, Touch screen not work, sleeps turned into hibernate, and power status not showing [07:50] why doesn't bash's reverse search history work through a symlink? [07:50] work through a symlink? [07:50] how do you mean [07:50] my ~/.bash_history is a symlink to the actual history file [07:51] history is being saved, but reverse-i-search does not work [07:51] oh [07:53] coldpress: report the bug? [07:53] i don't know if its normal behavior for bash [07:53] sounds like a bug [07:54] actually it works here [07:54] coldpress: ask in #bash if this is normal behavior [07:55] coldpress: if you type "history" does it show you them? [07:55] coldpress: type "ls -l ~/.bash_history" [07:57] ducasse: EriC^: must have screwed up the permissions somewhere, it works outside docker but doesn't work inside docker === crimastergogo_ is now known as crimastergogo === capella is now known as capella|away === capella|away is now known as capella|420 [08:28] Do you guys know what happened to Get Deb? [08:28] http://www.getdeb.net/ [08:31] no, we don't [08:31] i doubt you're going to get another answer here === capella|420 is now known as capella === Class7_ is now known as Class7 === capella is now known as capella|away [09:23] When using ping command from command line in 18.04, is it using ipv4 or ipv6 by default? [09:26] try to ping ipv6.google.com and find out? === capella|away is now known as capella [10:03] hey, i want to install ubuntu mate 18.10 with encrypted disk + lvm. Base installer does not allow to turn off swap and i want it off mandatory, can you guide me please through manual setup? [10:08] mirazi_heket: just disable swap and remove the swapfile after installing [10:08] ducasse: can that be done after installing encrypted lvm volume? [10:09] sure, it's just a file [10:11] guides says gparted will do it, alright will check [10:12] i think it's a file now by default, not a partition [10:24] I want my Debian to look like Ubuntu (Unity to be specific, but that's getting more of a Utopia these days.) What is it that makes Ubuntu look like Ubuntu? Is it just set of Gnome Themes and Gnome Shell Extensions and a wallpaper? Can I install those packages on Debian and have it look like Ubuntu? [10:34] anyone with kernel panic addicted https://pasteboard.co/HMx10uf.jpg? [10:39] Zta i would try to install the repo from ubuntu, and install the packages if you want unity. [10:40] or, make a custom of your gnome env [10:42] evening,how come systemd-networkd throw network unreachable when network in config truly is,config here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/62CGTGPX54/ [10:44] also i dunno,but seems to default to dhcp on reboot even when removed /etc/netplan/* im on 18.04 might add [11:35] hey, i successfully removed swap from encrypted lvm, but i still want to resize root partition, can someone help me please? [11:35] https://paste.ofcode.org/kud9jEThqNqjv9PphNkzwy [11:39] did little research and this worked: sudo lvextend -l +100%FREE /dev/ubuntu-mate-vg/root [11:39] sudo resize2fs /dev/ubuntu-mate-vg/root [11:40] no wonder it was confusing,router clings on to adress for my ubuntu box and straight out refuse let it go,same with other device,cant get new ip all static options off,time for pi with openwrt or so i guess === SimonNL is now known as SimonNL_Afk [13:21] Hey guys I have a Qt application (paraview) that's launching with a dark theme even though I am using Adwaita on my system. How can I force it to launch with a light theme? [13:22] I know for gtk apps 'GTK_THEME=Greybird paraview' works but googling didn't throw up any help about qt [13:23] Is there any way to "servicify" the whisker menu? [13:23] Normally it appears to launch process each time its clicked [13:23] Which is slow sometimes [13:24] If it somehow involves editing and compiling the source, I guess I could tolerate doing that as well [13:29] Howdy folks === caravena_ is now known as caravena [13:53] hello, in order to have sound in the system every reboot i have to set sound output to analog output [Stereo Headphones] in alsamixer tool (CLI, ncurses). I have latest ubuntu mate and asus xonar dg, how to fix that? [13:55] mirazi_heket: you should go to sound settings, and set the sound profile for your unused devices to "off" [13:56] mirazi_heket: e.g. I have to disable my monitor input or it keeps getting set as default [13:56] mirazi_heket: click the sound icon, sound settings, hardware tab [13:57] the second device from graphics card is disabled [13:57] and integraded sound card is disabled by bios (so no entry for that) [13:57] do you know what device is active before you activate your xonars? [13:58] no sure, i would compare things but i dont know where to look [14:02] mirazi_heket, sometimes the settings in your media player can be set to your xonar's options, for example in vlc tools>prefermces>audio settings [14:03] system-wide solution would be welcome [14:03] as im using sound in firefox too [14:08] yeah, sometimes this works, /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, options snd-youraudiodriver index=0 , which gives the xonar sound card driver precededence over the on board audio [14:08] is there a way to make mke2fs display progress but fewer informational messages? [14:09] BluesKaj: how do i get driver name? [14:09] pecedence even [14:11] mirazi_heket, cat /proc/asound/modules [14:12] BluesKaj: will test after reboot, give me some time [14:13] what's the name for when a package sets up an alias that you can type in terminal to launch it but there's no package with that exact name? what's it called [14:13] mirazi_heket, np [14:13] And where can I see all of them active at once? [14:17] a package sets up an alias ? the user sets the alias in .bash-aliases [14:17] I don't think he/she means a strict filesystem alias [14:18] BluesKaj I don't know whats going on, basically i can write 'paraview' to launch an application 9called paraview) but there's no package named paraview [14:18] then his question beyond my scope [14:18] ddoobb what do you see when you type: ls -l 'which paraview` [14:20] Guys, this is the final step before I port ubuntu box as daily drive [14:20] paraview is the repos, check your package manager [14:20] in [14:20] BluesKaj: what file you recommended me to modify? it does select my graphics card audio [14:21] treehug88 just a cursor '>' [14:21] what about 'which -a paraview' [14:21] I'm trying to make ubuntu to report battery status [14:21] but it seems this is a know issue and I couldn't find any work around on this [14:22] I'm running ubuntu 18.10 under Surface Pro 2017 [14:22] could anyone shed me light [14:22] ddoobb: that's due to unmatched quote marks. press Ctrl+C to get back to the shell prompt, then use "ls -l $(which paraview)" [14:22] TJ- nice cat h [14:23] HaMsTeRs: battery status should be under /sys/class/power_supply/BAT*/ [14:23] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 84216 May 29 14:22 /opt/paraviewopenfoam54/bin/paraview [14:24] mirazi_heket, /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, tjhen add the line: options snd-youraudiodriver index=0 [14:24] Hey TJ! Thanks for your help yesterday, I got GPT/UEFI installed and working properly [14:25] TJ-: I read that before, but I got no BAT* under power_supply folder [14:25] HaMsTeRs: congratulations :) [14:25] :) and battery status is the last thing I need to solve before I completely move Ubuntu as my main OS [14:25] HaMsTeRs: OK, that means the ACPI isn't reporting the device. Can you "pastebinit <( dmesg )" so we can check what is going on? [14:26] ddoobb I think that since that's in /opt it's probably not installed by a ubuntu package. Not positive since I'm not an Ubuntu acolyte [14:27] treehug88: yo'd be correct; you can find out with "dpkg -S path/to/somefile" [14:27] can i use functions i add for bash inside a script? [14:27] wow, never know there's such a handy tool now days for pasting things to pastbin :) [14:27] TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Mx7RkVD5vP/ [14:28] Greyztar: you mean functions in the parent shell environment ? [14:28] Thanks :) [14:28] HaMsTeRs: give me a few minutes to digest it :) [14:28] please take your time [14:28] TJ-: yes i guess so,or is it a way to ""import" it so it wokrs inside script? [14:28] just wonder how long would my paste stays in pastebin :P [14:29] HaMsTeRs: think u can set time for it when making paste :D [14:30] from this screen im able to change sound output https://pasteboard.co/HMGmUXL.png when i move to analog out and change value, by default sound goes to case front panel [14:30] Cool [14:30] HaMsTeRs: does sysfs report a /sys/class/power_supply/ADP1 ? [14:33] Thanks treehug88, Tj- [14:34] #!/bin/sh at teh beginning of something means it's a bash script right [14:34] TJ-: I got the folder, but doesn't report anything interested especially I've viewed almost all the files in that directory recursively, but none of them contains battery status [14:34] ddoobb: no, sh is not bash. Usually it is dash. check with "readlink -e /bin/sh" [14:35] HaMsTeRs: that's fine, I just wanted to confirm that it exists, since dmesg shows it finds the ADP1 (but no BAT*) [14:35] Oh, thanks again TJ- [14:36] :D. I actually just looking for something to report battery status, I can live without the battery indicator. [14:36] because if I move to Ubuntu as daily drive, I need to know when I'm getting out of battery [14:37] I do not want my battery died while working on documents [14:37] HaMsTeRs: I see there is someone maintaining a set of patches for the Surface models. Looking closer, there is a specific additional kernel module for the ACPI which enables battery detection. This is the repo: https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface [14:37] HaMsTeRs: I'll check if any of that is upstream in the mainline kernel, or in Ubuntu? [14:38] mirazi_heket, it's odd to have ** in the box below the volume on you alsa ccontrols , it's usually 00 for open, or MM for muted [14:38] Thanks TJ-. I've been to that site also, but seems "Battery Readings (not yet working for SB2/SP2017)" also [14:39] HaMsTeRs: the ACPI patches from here aren't in mainline https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface/blob/master/patches/4.18/acpi.patch [14:39] I'm on SP2017 [14:39] you=your [14:39] well, nothing is muted anyway, just sound by default goes to front panel... [14:39] mirazi_heket, so you don't use speakers? === daniel is now known as Guest61065 [14:40] i do use speakers [14:41] HaMsTeRs: Strange because the patch/driver looks sane. I'd need to look at the machine's DSDT to be able to debug it further though [14:42] HaMsTeRs: so it seems despite Microsoft's embracing of open-source they're not providing docs or drivers for their own hardware [14:42] I guess that's one reason why it's pain to run linux under surface. [14:42] mirazi_heket, never seen ** in the opem/mute indicator in alsamixer ctls before this, I wonder what that means [14:43] TJ-: Maybe I should try the patch [14:43] I've not yet apply the patch yet [14:43] i doubt thats revelant, i dont even touch that [14:43] HaMsTeRs: can you show me "pastebinit <( sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows )" [14:43] well, whatever it is, it's new to me [14:44] HaMsTeRs: looks like Jake provides pre-built kernel images you can try, too [14:44] http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c9GWYzPkRX/ [14:47] HaMsTeRs: I want you to try something with the Ubuntu kernel. It is a common workaround for these types of ACPI firmware problems. [14:48] Sure [14:49] HaMsTeRs: issue the command inside the " marks (copy/paste it): " sudo sed -i "s/^$GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=.*$\"$/\1 acpi_osi=! \\\\\"acpi_osi=Windows 2015\\\\\"\"/" /etc/default/grub " [14:49] HaMsTeRs: then lets check it worked with "pastebinit /etc/default/grub" [14:52] http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qpsKcFhmvv/ [14:53] Seem there [14:54] HaMsTeRs: perfect! Now do "sudo update-grub" then reboot, and when up and running again, "pastebinit <( dmesg)" so we can see if it improved matters [14:55] thanks TJ-. done, I'm rebooting the system now. will be back in few minutes === crimastergogo_ is now known as crimastergogo [15:01] Hi TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/52tKvX6QjV/ [15:01] HaMsTeRs: thanks [15:02] thanks TJ- [15:04] HaMsTeRs: no radical improvement for power sources at least, so it does look like you'd need those patches [15:07] HaMsTeRs: from Jake's driver it seems to read the battery state we have to read an iic (i2c) device [15:07] TJ-: Thanks TJ. Actually that's too technical for me, while I'm pretty much still a noob :D [15:08] Just one quick question, if I run the prebuild script, would that included all the 4.18 patches already? [15:08] or do I have to patch them one by one? [15:09] HaMsTeRs: IIC=Inter-Integrated Circuit serial bus. Let's see if the bus/device is there. "pastebinit <( ls -l /sys/bus/i2c/devices )" [15:10] http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Qb5TmBzjCh/ [15:14] HaMsTeRs: The device is there (i2c-MSHW0125:00) so it looks like the reason Jake's drive can't get the readings is that he's been unable to figure out the correct I2C command values to send === Dreaman is now known as Blade [15:15] hm. ok [15:16] TJ-: where did you learn all those linux skill :D [15:19] HaMsTeRs: hacking code, experimenting [15:19] :D. [15:20] TJ-: so should I install Jake's kernel ? or nothing I can do at this moment? [15:20] and wait for new version [15:23] HaMsTeRs: I don't see any indication Jake is trying to get his patches into the mainline kernel. It would be good if that were the case. Might be worth asking him if that is happening, or planned. [15:26] TJ-: I'm drafting a message now. So is there any why I can get the battery status manually? so I could trigger it from time to time? [15:28] HaMsTeRs: not that I can see; as it requires knowing specific command bytes and result values to be sent to/from the I2C device [15:29] Ok, so would you know if there are any warning before battery die or out of battery in this case? [15:29] so I still have time to save my documents [15:30] HaMsTeRs: I'd suspect not, since we have no way to read the battery level [15:31] Oh well [15:31] anyway thanks TJ- :) === SimonNL_Afk is now known as SimonNL === WoC- is now known as WoC [15:40] HaMsTeRs: can you try 'upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT0 | nc termbin.com 9999' and give us url [15:40] nothing return [15:40] Hi ledeni [15:41] hi HaMsTeRs [15:41] nothing return from upower [15:43] HaMsTeRs: ok sorry i just try on my system and working [15:43] thanks ledeni :). [15:43] HaMsTeRs: upower -e ŋrep BAT [15:43] HaMsTeRs: upower -e | ŋrep BAT [15:43] HaMsTeRs: upower -e | grep -i BAT [15:43] sorry ;) [15:44] $ /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/line_power_ADP1 [15:44] no BAT [15:45] okay, your system probably has no battery then? i didn't follow the conversation, don't know what you're trying to do. [15:45] either no battery or the bios doesnt announce it to the OS [15:46] I'm running Ubuntu on Surface Pro 2017 [15:47] battery status not reporting to the system [15:47] i see, and tj already went over it with you. if he couldnt help, i wont be able to [15:48] heh, don't say that. already appreciated for your help [15:49] tomreyn: the Surface devices expose the ACPI BAT* on the i2c bus and we don't have the correct command/result values to be able to access/decode state [15:51] thanks for summing it up. but yeah, i have no clue about this, can't help. [15:52] Someone (Jake Day) is maintaining a repo of drivers for those devices but even that hasn't yet solved the SP 2017 BAT reading [15:52] This is the kind of area where MS could show it's real Open source credentials by releasing a driver, or the technical data [15:54] maybe the hardware branch hasn't been told about microsofts' "new" open source friendlyness, yet. [15:54]