[01:19] <emma> Does anyone know of any software available on Kubuntu that lets you do what Microsoft Ink does? (The ability to marker up the screen on top of whatever app you are using)
[03:17] <emma> @info aredia
[03:17] <emma> !info ardesia
[03:27] <emma> valorie: what happened to Ardesia?
[04:23] <valorie> emma: what is it?
[04:23] <valorie> it's not a KDE package so we wouldn't have dealt with it
[04:24] <emma> oh dear
[04:25] <emma> valorie: im trying to find some software that runs on Kubuntu that can be used to mark on the screen (like write over the top of whatever the screen is showing).  Actually it turns out Kwin has that in it (almost) if you go to settings > desktop effects and turn on Mouse Mark but the odd thing is -- to use that you have to hold down meta+shift while marking with your other hand...
[04:26] <valorie> hmmm
[04:27] <valorie> is that difficult to do?
[04:31] <emma> I don't think that's too practical except for some cases where you won't do much with it. I have a stylus. I want to actually write all over the screen on my wacom tablet. I don't want to be holding down the meta+shift keys all the while.
[04:32] <valorie> ok
[04:32] <valorie> so you think that ardesia does what you want?
[04:33] <emma> I think Ardesia was the software that did this but somehow it no longer exists.
[04:33] <valorie> well, just because it's not in the archive doesn't mean it doesn't exist
[04:33] <valorie> is it in Debian?
[04:33] <valorie> you can always easily install a deb if so
[04:34] <valorie> two things can happen - upstream stops making releases which means that nobody bothers to package it for Ubuntu
[04:34] <Unit193> Debian 840959
[04:35] <valorie> the other is that the person who used to care enough to package it no longer cares, etc.
 If the stylus has a button you could map meta+shift to it.
[04:35] <valorie> ah, dead upstream
[04:35] <Unit193> (See also: Debian 728861)
[04:35] <valorie> which means that it's not being developed
[04:36] <valorie> so they are no longer fixing bugs, security problems, etc
[04:36] <valorie> you might look on github and see if someone has picked it up and renamed it
[04:40] <valorie> emma: why do you want to draw on the screen itself, rather than on screenshots?
[04:43] <emma> valorie: it may be enough to draw on screen shots.
[04:44] <valorie> ok, you can easily do that in GIMP or Krita
[04:44] <emma> i was going to make videos of marking up certain documents
[04:44] <valorie> and I think that there are some smaller applications that support simple things like arrows, circles, etc.
[04:45] <Unit193> Sadly I only know of a few viewers, and overkill GIMP. :P
[04:46] <valorie> kpaint used to be awesome for that
[04:46] <valorie> dunno if that still exists -- it was the basis for Krita
[04:47] <emma> krita is a good possibility. Im not 100 percent sure why I wanted to draw on the screen directly.
[04:47] <emma> I think krita can open pdf also and draw on it.
[04:47] <valorie> dunno, but the krita chan certainly will
[04:48] <valorie> #krita
[04:48] <emma> i get certain documents and images from people who want feedback. I was going to make videos with simplescreenrecorder of the work they send me and write over it as I give feedback.
[04:48] <Unit193> valorie: There's a 'mypaint', but that's pygtk
[04:49] <valorie> well, gtk is generally already in kubuntu systems since we provide firefox
[04:49] <valorie> so that's a possibility
[04:50] <emma> my instinct is that when you install software that was made for Gnome inside of Kubuntu you are doing something filthy and you are filthy dirty animal who should keep your head down.
[04:50] <valorie> Spectacle was supposed to get simple marking up capability but the devel dropped it
[04:50] <valorie> emma: lol
[04:50] <valorie> tools are tools
[04:50] <Unit193> emma: Note that not all GTK is actually made for GNOME, though!
[04:51] <valorie> right, most of it isn't
[04:51] <valorie> gnome is a small packageset as I recall
[04:51] <valorie> sort of the opposite of KDE
[04:52] <valorie> we have all sorts of stuff within KDE
[04:53] <valorie> Shutter does that
[04:53] <valorie> actually: https://alternativeto.net/software/snipping-tool/?platform=linux
[04:54] <valorie> ooo, Hotshot is in Qt
[04:54] <valorie> so you could be somewhat "pure"
[04:55] <emma> what is the name of the default screenshot app in kubunut?
[04:55] <emma> it's pretty good overall already.
[04:56] <valorie> spectacle
[04:56] <valorie> yes, but no marking up
[04:56] <emma> is that the one you use?
[04:56] <valorie> I use it almost daily, yes
[04:57] <emma> I like the way you can screen shot a rectangle with spectacle and then drag the image into various documents without having to save anything.
[04:58] <valorie> right
[05:00] <emma> I had bought this new laptop but then it wasnt going to work because the touchpad was too new. But the new Kubuntu release 18.10 had the kernel I needed so I finally got to start using this laptop.
[05:00] <valorie> oh that's good to hear!
[05:00]  * valorie is also running cosmic
[05:05] <emma> valorie: are you a developer?
[05:05] <valorie> well, I'm not a coder or packager
[05:05] <valorie> but I'm part of the kubuntu team
[05:06] <valorie> release manager which is mostly begging people to help test things, doing testing myself, and writing some of the text for the website
 Yep valorie is all over the place lol.
[05:46] <valorie> same as you, aaron
[05:46] <valorie> :-)
[05:46]  * valorie has never been to Japan!
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:26] <JackWinter> hi, am trying to install 18.04 on a laptop, and i can see it install various things including the kernel, but the install never finishes.  it ends up with the installation windows and a grey progress bar and does nothing else.  how can i troubleshoot what goes wrong?
[12:28] <JackWinter> is there an account that i can login to from a virtual terminal?
[12:29] <JackWinter> some more info, the system already has win10 on it.  it does have an efi partition, and i added an ext4 formatted partition for / and swap space
[12:30] <JackWinter> if i turn the system off, i can boot into an empty grub, but don't know how to find the system from there
[12:31] <JackWinter> guess that something is going wrong with creating the grub entries?
[12:32] <BluesKaj> do you have another linux a lready installed on the laptop, because if the installer sees another grub it won't overwrite it?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> JackWinter,^
[12:35] <BluesKaj> or grub only partially installed, which sems to be the case, then try the VT/TTY to install or update grub
[12:36] <JackWinter> BluesKaj: no i don't think so.  i can see if i can clean out the efi, maybe another boot loader there?  did try to install kde neon before with exactly the same results.  the bios only presents me with the windows and an ubuntu boot loader
[12:37] <JackWinter> what username/pw would i need to get into a terminal from the ubuntu installer?
[12:37] <BluesKaj> didn't the installer ask for a username and pw?
[12:38] <JackWinter> yes, but that doesn't work from the vt running from the install stick
[12:39] <JackWinter> maybe i can boot the full kubuntu environment and run the install script from there.  maybe terminal output will show me something, what is the install script called?
[12:39] <BluesKaj> did you try the enter key when grub loaded after booting?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> ubiquity
[12:46] <JackWinter> BluesKaj: i think i did, i just get the grub prompt with no choices at all.
[12:47] <JackWinter> do i need to disable secure boot?
[12:47] <JackWinter> bit lost with all of this, and sure how secure boot fits into it all.  though happy what the laptop appears to find the ubuntu uefi boot loader.
[12:48] <JackWinter> not sure why the install script won't finish and won't give any error at all
[12:48] <BluesKaj> yes, disable secure boot
[13:03] <BluesKaj> JackWinter, I don't bother with uefi/gpt  even on this new pc , legacy BIOS works for me, since i really don't need more than 4 primary partitions
[13:08] <JackWinter> BluesKaj: yes, but someone else asked me to add an easy to use linux to their laptop.  not sure i want to remove all the other partitions, partition it again and see if the bios can legacy boot.
[13:09] <JackWinter> it looks like it would boot if i could only get ubiquity to finish properly
[13:10] <JackWinter> ubiquity -d shows absolutely 0 output.  how do i make it verbose so that i can see where it's getting stuck?
[13:10] <BluesKaj> so there another OS on the laptop?
[13:10] <BluesKaj> is
[13:12] <BluesKaj>  what media are you using to install kubuntu?
[13:13] <JackWinter> BluesKaj: there is a preinstalled w10 on it.  i'm installing from a usb stick
[13:13] <JackWinter> gonna try to run ubiquity -b, to see if it finishes
[13:15] <BluesKaj> ok, then ubiquity needs to add grub to the /uefi/boot, but if you use the auto install to your selected partition then that should work
 Hi
[13:18] <BluesKaj> JackWinter, ubiquity should see W10 and the /uefi/boot partition and add grub to it, but I recommend you ask in #ubuntu, there are several uefi/gpt experts there that can help you
 I'm new user of kubuntu and need help … I think i suddenly deleted the sound driver then  … Sound icon on the panel is gone too  … Who can help ?
[13:23] <BluesKaj> Salamun_alaykum, run aplay -l and pastebin the output
[13:24] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
 @BluesKaj, **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** … card 0: HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0] …   Subdevices: 1/1 …   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Salamun_alaykum lspci | grep -i audio, to find the driver
[13:31] <JackWinter> BluesKaj: running ubiquity -b (don't install boot manager) allows ubiquity to finish installing.  so i guess the problem is indeed related to the boot manager
[13:32] <JackWinter> i'll ask in ubuntu instead, they won't mind kubuntu questions?
[13:33] <BluesKaj>  JackWinter  #ubuntu covers all flavours including Kubuntu, but it's not really kde related anyway
[13:34] <JackWinter> BluesKaj: ok, thanks!
[13:35] <BluesKaj> np JackWinter I'll follow your progress over there too since I'm interested in the answers you get
[13:38] <JackWinter> BluesKaj: it's kind of crappy to have an install script that doesn't show what it's doing :)  i hope i can get it working.  but if nothing else i suppose that from a live boot i might be able to manually install grub.
[13:39] <JackWinter> had to guess about it being the grub install/config that caused problems.  a --verbose switch would probably have solved me a lot of time
[13:39] <JackWinter> s/solved/saved/
 @BluesKaj, then?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> JackWinter, I'm not really clear on how to do that since it may require using chroot
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Salamun_alaykum, post the output of the command here
[13:45] <JackWinter> BluesKaj: it probably will (i guess) am minded to get the refind binaries from my own laptop to just fix up the efi partition :)
[13:46] <BluesKaj> JackWinter, is this an iso ?
 @BluesKaj, lspci | grep -i audio … 00:01.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kabini HDMI/DP Audio … 00:09.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 157a
[13:47] <JackWinter> BluesKaj: what is?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> ok , it's a disk iso , JackWinter
[13:48] <JackWinter> if you mean the kubuntu installl image, it's kubuntu-18.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[13:49] <BluesKaj> right, ok just checking
[13:50] <JackWinter> does ubuntu also have the rEFInd boot loader?  i'm somewhat familiar with that one, haven't used grub since back in the v1 days
[13:50] <JackWinter> sorry, wrong channel :)
[13:53] <BluesKaj> JackWinter, best to address the question to person who responded to your query in #ubuntu since i's such a busy channel
[13:57] <JackWinter> BluesKaj: yes, i'll do that.  i'll close this one not to make a mistake again :)  thanks for the help so far!
 @Salamun_alaykum, ?
[14:06] <BluesKaj> Salamun_alaykum, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel, if the driver loads properly there will be no output from that command , then reboot
 @BluesKaj, but its amd not intel
[14:08] <BluesKaj> amd uses intel audio on some pcs
[14:11] <BluesKaj> Salamun_alaykum, if the command doesn't work it will say so
[23:29] <john3voltas[m]> hey folks
[23:30] <john3voltas[m]> how do i install the latest plasma on my kubuntu 18.04.1 lts?
[23:31] <valorie> john3voltas[m]: you can't at this time
[23:32] <valorie> because we'd have to backport an updated Qt as well as Plasma
[23:32] <valorie> you can get *newer* in backports though
[23:32] <valorie> !backports
[23:32] <john3voltas[m]> valorie: which means that at some point i will be able to do so?
[23:32] <valorie> I have the latest in 18.10
[23:32] <valorie> LTS is about stability and long-term support
[23:32] <valorie> not the newest
[23:33] <valorie> if you want the newest you need to upgrade every 6 months
[23:33] <john3voltas[m]> yea
[23:33] <valorie> instead of every other year
[23:33] <john3voltas[m]> well..
[23:33] <valorie> https://kubuntu.org/news/kde-plasma-bugfix-release-5-12-6-is-now-available-for-kubuntu-18-04-lts/
[23:34] <john3voltas[m]> i wanted to go with kde-neon instead but apparently it doesn't support wubi/wubiuefi
[23:34] <valorie> so we do support the LTS for 3 years, but it is impossible to get the latest to it
[23:34] <valorie> wubi!
[23:34] <valorie> uh
[23:34] <valorie> is that still supported *anywhere*?
[23:34] <valorie> !wubi
[23:35] <valorie> !wubiuefi
[23:35] <john3voltas[m]> it's running fine here
[23:35] <valorie> ok
[23:35] <valorie> well, I have no clue about it, sorry
[23:35] <john3voltas[m]> thanks :-)
[23:35] <valorie> you might get some help with wubi in #ubuntu
[23:36] <valorie> but..... not supported since 2012
[23:36] <valorie> rather a miracle if it is working for you
[23:36] <valorie> be sure to keep good backups
[23:36] <john3voltas[m]> wubiuefi is well maintained
[23:37] <john3voltas[m]> no nasty bugs
[23:37] <valorie> must be a fork somewhere because ubottu knows nothing about it
[23:37] <john3voltas[m]> ok
[23:37] <john3voltas[m]> yea, it is
[23:37] <valorie> and the bot knows much more than me
[23:37] <valorie> :-)
[23:37] <john3voltas[m]> lolol
[23:38] <john3voltas[m]> ok, thanks a bunch.
[23:38] <john3voltas[m]> see you around
[23:38] <valorie> best of luck!
[23:39] <john3voltas[m]> 👍