[00:04] <derpingit> TJ- how can i delete all and start from scratch ?
[00:05] <derpingit> i had already tried installing python-cryptography
[00:10] <thebope> hello, I'm following this guide to mount an sd card on my virtual box ubuntu server installation, however at the end it conveniently forgets to mention where that disk would be mounted to - https://www.geekytidbits.com/mount-sd-card-virtualbox-from-mac-osx/
[00:11] <thebope> I've checked /dev and /mnt
[00:11] <thebope> but don't see anyp
[00:11] <thebope> don't see anything
[00:11] <Mathisen> thebope, run lsblk
[00:12] <thebope> it says it's mounted in sata port 1 on virtual box
[00:12] <thebope> okay one moment
[00:12] <thebope> okay I assume it's sdb, I think I'm currently on sda
[00:12] <Platonides> probably
[00:13] <Platonides> dmesg will probably tell you too
[00:13] <thebope> That would make sense I believe as it has two partitions and I know that's how raspbian installs
[00:13] <thebope> How would I terminal into that sdb if I wanted?
[00:13] <Mathisen> does it show a mount point ?
[00:13] <Platonides> mount /dev/sdb /mnt ?
[00:14] <thebope> ah it does not, do I have to mount it then?
[00:14] <Mathisen> yes
[00:14] <thebope> makes a ton of sense, thanks
[00:15] <thebope> wow dmesg gives me a huge amount of output
[00:16] <thebope> hmm, tells me it can't find it in /etc/fstab
[00:17] <Mathisen> does not have to be there. everything in fstab will be mounted on boot
[00:17] <thebope> which makes sense I guess, there's only one line in /etc/fstab
[00:17] <Mathisen> can still just mount it manual
[00:17] <thebope> yeo so I ran sudo mount sdb, and sodo mount /dev/sdb to no avail
[00:17] <thebope> that complained about the fstab thing
[00:18] <Mathisen> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 any/empty/folder/that/exists
[00:18] <Mathisen> for example if sdb1 is the partition you want
[00:19] <thebope> ahhhh
[00:19] <thebope> okay lets see
[00:19] <thebope> that makes sense, now I need to mount the partitions
[00:19] <thebope> when I was imaging the disk I only wanted to use the disk number
[00:19] <thebope> now that I'm mounting things I need the partition as well
[00:19] <thebope> all coming together
[00:20] <TJ-> derpingit: it's hard to say without messing with the same steps you went through, but it seems like at some point your triggered a source package's "make install" which used the --prefix=/usr/local default. In which case it is possible there's a "make uninstall" to undo it from the same source directory
[00:21] <thebope> thanks Mathisen and Platonides, even better than it just working I learned something ;-)
[00:21] <Platonides> you are welcome, thebope
[00:55] <derpingit> lol.. yep.. i fucked up : Please do not use python setup.py install, python pip install ., or easy_install .. Please do not attempt the installation commands as superuser/root and/or without virtual environment, e.g. sudo python setup.py install, sudo pip install, sudo ./venv/bin/.... These modes of operation might corrupt your operating system and are not supported by the Certbot team!
[00:56] <OerHeks> jups, from their own site, right?
[00:57] <OerHeks> https://certbot.eff.org/docs/install.html#alternate-installation-methods
[00:57] <OerHeks> up to Bionic there is a PPa https://launchpad.net/~certbot/+archive/ubuntu/certbot
[01:07] <transhumanist> Hi! I am trying to understand NFS, never worked with it before. Some directions give the line :  12.34.56.789:/home  /mnt/nfs/home   nfs      auto,noatime,nolock,bg,nfsvers=3,intr,tcp,actimeo=1800 0 0 ::: My confusion is on the ip address, is that the address of the server where the nfs packages are installed or is that an arbitrary address on the subnet where the NFS server is being broadcast to, similar to python -m, http server?
[01:09] <TJ-> transhumanist: "man nfs" gives the format of the entry for fstab/mount. 12.34.56.78 is the NFS server's IP address (or hostname)
[01:10] <transhumanist> ok thanks because I thought it might be similar to python -m http server , thanks for the clarification!
[02:01] <JoshuaD> I feel so close to solving this problem, I just can't find the right place to put lock screen settings. Can anyone help out? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1092722/lock-screen-monitor-settings-for-lightdm
[02:03] <AndyChow888> light dm, to my knowledge, does not do any lock. It's up to the actual wm. What wm are you using?
[02:04] <JoshuaD> xfwm4
[02:04] <JoshuaD> I didn't know that. They look identical. Thanks for that bit of information
[02:05] <AndyChow888> lightdm is just what starts your X session.
[02:06] <AndyChow888> You can read this. It's arch specific, but applies. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xfce#Lock_the_screen
[02:13] <JoshuaD> ty
[02:27] <uberwag> hi, when connecting ubuntu 18.04 with xrdp, keystrokes are hanging, repeating itself, so when typing some key, it can happen to repeat itself for X times, sometimes 50+ times. what can be causing this?
[03:37] <NewToLubuntu> does anyone know how to find what is making ads pop up on my desktop? they appear in the top right saying "activate" regardless of if I am in web browser or reading PDFs
[03:54] <jadax> what happens if somebody deletes sudo binary from ubuntu 18.04?
[03:55] <jadax> is there some way to install it back?
[03:55] <jadax> logged in as user
[04:15] <sonicwind> jadax, this thread might give you some ideas. It looks like it is possible - https://askubuntu.com/questions/434525/can-sudo-be-reinstalled-after-being-removed
[04:26] <jadax> just used pkgexec
[04:26] <jadax> the graphical version of sudo
[04:49] <wardxy> Hi I have a question about the Nvidia drivers for Ubuntu
[04:49] <wardxy> if I choose the option to use third party drivers is that the same me not doing that option and then going to download the specific video card driver?
[04:50] <wardxy> as in the end result
[05:23] <chris349> How do I install something such as mariadb-server-devel package in unbuntu? apt-cache search does not find it.
[05:33] <piercedwater> hi
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> !info mariadb-server-devel
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> chris349: did you install mariadb-server ?
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> !info libmariadb-dev | chris349 could it be this package?
[05:55] <AndyChow888> The lib is not the main.
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> AndyChow888: ah, ok i dont see other packages in apt cache
[05:56] <chris349> I have no idea. All I know is in CentOS theres a -dev package for everything and I cant find that in Ubuntu
[05:57] <AndyChow888> apt-get install mariadb-server
[05:57] <AndyChow888> You probably already have it installed, lotuspsychje
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> AndyChow888: its not for me
[05:57] <chris349> AndyChow888, I know that. But if I want to compile something against mariadb-server I need -dev package the contains the headers, etc
[05:58] <AndyChow888> chris349, the build-essential should cover it.
[05:58] <AndyChow888> Then do your git, make, make config, make install, and you're on your way.
[05:58] <chris349> AndyChow888, That would be the build tools such as make, etc
[05:59] <AndyChow888> Yeah, make, gcc, everything.
[05:59] <AndyChow888> But, I'm assuming you know what you are doing.
[05:59] <AndyChow888> When compiling, batteries aren't included.
[06:00] <chris349> You dont get it
[06:00] <AndyChow888> I don't? Lol.
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> chris349: please stay polite, he's trying to help you
[06:00] <chris349> I want to install and use the mariadb-server package in ubuntu and compile OTHER software against it. Maybe I write my own mariadb client. I need the mariadb headers.
[06:00] <chris349> In any normal linux that is is the mariadb-dev package
[06:00] <chris349> In ubuntu I cant find -dev package for ANYTHING
[06:00] <AndyChow888> Ah, ok.
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> chris349: ubuntu doesnt support own compiled packages
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> chris349: we reccomend using packages from the official repos
[06:01] <mouses> chris349: that's because it's mariadb-devel
[06:01] <mouses> at least according to google *shrugs*
[06:01] <mouses> but yeah, it's best to use the repos
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> mouses: mariadb-devel doesnt show in apt cache neither
[06:02] <mouses> lotuspsychje: dang it, might have found outdated info
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> perhaps its included in another package now?
[06:02] <AndyChow888> How do you want to compile other software against maria? Just use the git.
[06:02] <AndyChow888> https://github.com/MariaDB
[06:03] <AndyChow888> Are you looking to do static linking?
[06:09] <chris349> For e.g. in apt-cache I see the packages apache2 and apache2-dev. If I wanted to install the version of apache2 from the ubuntu repo and then complile my own apache2 module I would need to install both packages.
[06:09] <chris349> How do I do this for mariadb in ubuntu?
[06:10] <AndyChow888> You would need neither, actually.
[06:11] <chris349> AndyChow888, So in ubuntu if I want to use apache2 I do not need to install it?
[06:11] <AndyChow888> You want to use it, or compile it?
[06:11] <AndyChow888> Not the same thing.
[06:12] <chris349> I want to install and use the (e.g.) apache2 package from the Ubuntu repo
[06:12] <chris349> Then once thats installed I want to compile ONLY my own module (for e.g.)
[06:13] <chris349> So I install apache2 and apache2-dev (and build tools, gcc, etc)
[06:13] <AndyChow888> So install the build-essentials, compile your thing. When you get error messages, print them, and we'll talk more.
[06:15] <chris349> If it was up to me I would be using CentOS, Fedora or Opensuse. But its not for me. I am setting up this machine for someone who isnt the smartest. So I want to have it setup as good as possible to avoid issues
[06:16] <AndyChow888> Compiling software is not for everyone, nor is trying to create your own packages, as you seem to be, which depend on various external libraries.
[06:17] <AndyChow888> If you just want to use apache, or maria, just install the binaries, and use them directly.
[06:20] <Kaidok5797> WOOHOO I figured out how to get into IRC with Empathy
[06:21] <Kaidok5797> Now, Ive been told I can make Ubuntu look like macOS... thats my next project
[06:23] <AndyChow888> Kaidok5797, you can try Deepin.
[06:23] <Kaidok5797> Deepin... ok
[06:24] <AndyChow888> Why you would want something to look like MacOS, well, that
[06:24] <AndyChow888> 's your journey.
[06:24] <Kaidok5797> I love the way it looks
[06:26] <AndyChow888> It's rather clouded and slow, IMO?
[06:26] <Kaidok5797> clouded?
[06:26] <Kaidok5797> It seemed fast to me.
[06:26] <Kaidok5797> Its worth a shot anyway
[06:26] <AndyChow888> Yeah, takes too much space on the screen.
[06:27] <AndyChow888> But if you like it, you like it.
[06:27] <Kaidok5797> Ohhh see thats what Im missing right now in Ubuntu. Too much open space
[06:27] <AndyChow888> The open space is supposed to distract less.
[06:28] <Kaidok5797> I guess I like to be distracted? lol
[06:28] <AndyChow888> It's up to you. We have 100+ wm because we like choice. To each their own.
[06:28] <Kaidok5797> besides this will be a great learning experience for me
[06:29] <AndyChow888> Install a few. You can choose them at boot, or after logout.
[06:29] <AndyChow888> In the upper right corner, you can select your wm.
[06:30] <Kaidok5797> wm?
[06:30] <AndyChow888> Windows manager.
[06:31] <AndyChow888> It's what handles your user experience with windows, tool-bars, etc.
[06:31] <Kaidok5797> gotcha... hmm I dont see it up there. just launguage election, internet connectivity, volume, and power button
[06:31] <Kaidok5797> gotcha ok
[06:31] <AndyChow888> You'll have to log out to choose, but after you've installed alternatives.
[06:32] <Kaidok5797> ohhh gotcha ok
[06:41] <Kaidok5797> tbh Andy, I´m just having fun playing around in Ubuntu lol
[06:42] <AndyChow888> Popular choices are cinnamon, lxde, kde.
[06:42] <AndyChow888> Kaidok5797, having fun is the whole point, at first.
[06:42] <Kaidok5797> yup yup 10-4
[06:43] <Kaidok5797> But I only got this installed this morning. havent had much time to play yet lol
[06:43] <AndyChow888> Take your time.
[06:43] <Kaidok5797> Will do. This place has been fantastic for help just getting installed. I had a rough go at it.. interesting problems came up.
[06:43] <AndyChow888> Eventually, you'll see that you can automate things, set up a server, have the machine work for you.
[06:43] <Kaidok5797> people are friendly here
[06:44] <Kaidok5797> Yup and thats my end goal
[06:44] <AndyChow888> The machine should work for you, not you for the machine.
[06:44] <Kaidok5797> AMEN!
[06:45] <Kaidok5797> Windows 10 is a chore for sure
[06:45] <AndyChow888> Well then, welcome to the 21st century. The Free one.
[06:45] <Kaidok5797> thank you thank you very mucH!
[06:45] <Kaidok5797> Thats the other thing I love about this... OPEN SOURCE
[06:46] <Kaidok5797> Not that I have the abilities to just dive into the code and change things... but it IS possible if I wanted, and its all free
[06:46] <AndyChow888> It's going to get hard sometimes, but as long as you stay focused, and know what you want, you will get there.
[06:46] <AndyChow888> You do not have the abilities, for now. But you can and will acquire them, as required.
[06:47] <Kaidok5797> Yea... I came into this knowing there would be a big learning curve at times... learning new stuff is another one of my goals in doing this too.
[06:47] <AndyChow888> Just don't get lost in the details, and you'll make it work for you. Most get lost in the details after a while.
[06:47] <Kaidok5797> What details do they get lost in?
[06:47] <AndyChow888> They work 80 hours to learn something that saves them 1 minute a month.
[06:48] <Kaidok5797> Ohhh gotcha
[06:48] <AndyChow888> If you document it, and post your solution, fine. But if you keep it to yourself, it's time wasted.
[06:49] <Kaidok5797> Ahhhh gotcha right. That makes perfect sense.
[06:49] <Kaidok5797> How well is Ubuntu at running virtual machines?
[06:50] <AndyChow888> Depends on your hardware.
[06:50] <Kaidok5797> for like old versions of windows or other linux distros?
[06:50] <Kaidok5797> ok
[06:50] <hateball> !kvm
[06:50] <Kaidok5797> oooo awesome ok
[06:50] <AndyChow888> If you have the virtual instruction set, yes. qemu-kvm is the best.
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> Kaidok5797: for ubuntu discussions please move to #ubuntu-discuss
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> Kaidok5797: we try to focus on actual support here, hence why
[06:51] <AndyChow888> You also have virtualbox (easy but slow), docker (the flavor of the month), and several other alternatives. Gnome-boxes, for example.
[06:51] <Kaidok5797> lotuspsychje is there a channel for newbies? Because this could end up being a support thing. I totally get what your saying though.
[06:51] <Kaidok5797> Like in that channel can I ask newbie questions?
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> Kaidok5797: #ubuntu-discuss is for all users, novice & expert
[06:52] <Kaidok5797> very good, awesome. thank you!
[06:52] <AndyChow888> lotuspsychje, while I agree, we are off the philosophy, and into a practical question.
[06:52] <AndyChow888> Kaidok5797, install qemu, libvirt, start up virt-manager, or virsh, and have fun.
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> AndyChow888: i know its a thin red line sometimes, but we have to limit somewhere right?
[06:53] <Kaidok5797> will do! Thank you!
[06:53] <piercedwater> this is the best support channel on irc
[06:53] <AndyChow888> lotuspsychje, yes, you are absolutely correct, and I apologize.
[06:54] <AndyChow888> But the question of virtualization in clearly within the line. The rest, beyond. And I am sorry.
[06:56] <Kaidok5797> It´s my fault as well and I do apologize. AndyChow888 I am in ubuntu-discuss now as well
[06:57] <AndyChow888> Well, I am in ubuntu-offtopic.
[07:04] <Kaidok5797> Oh let me go there too then e_motion_afk
[07:06] <Rembo> hello, can someone if some of those patches may require a reboot? https://hastebin.com/sanodojara.php
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> Rembo: new kernels requier a reboot, unless you use livepatch?
[07:09] <AndyChow888> You're on 3.13?
[07:09] <AndyChow888> So Ubuntu 14.04?
[07:15] <mrkotfw> Hello
[07:18] <mrkotfw> Hm... archive.ubuntu.com is down
[07:19] <mrkotfw> Running trusty 14.04
[07:19] <AndyChow888> It's up here.
[07:19] <mrkotfw> Weird! It's up on my other computer
[07:20] <mrkotfw> Hm, this is all weird
[07:21] <AndyChow888> ping google.com . I bet you your system can't find it.
[07:21] <Kaidok5797> mrkotfw It was going really really slow for me too
[07:21] <mrkotfw> Kaidok5797: Yeah, that's exacly what it looks like
[07:21] <mrkotfw> I guess I have to be patient
[07:21] <AndyChow888> The official ubuntu.com limits to 50 kb/s, I think.
[07:22] <Kaidok5797> ahhhhh
[07:22] <mrkotfw> That makes sense
[07:22] <AndyChow888> Use a mirror if you can.
[07:22] <mrkotfw> What about security.ubuntu.com?
[07:22] <AndyChow888> Same. But point to a mirror.
[07:23] <mrkotfw> Thanks
[07:32] <RickRNF> What is a good guide on using the NextCloud snap? I followed all the stuff here https://github.com/nextcloud/nextcloud-snap and forwarded ports 80 and 443. I can connect to my NextCloud on LAN, but not through the internet. I get Not Found "The requested URL /nextcloud was not found on this server."
[07:32] <AndyChow888> RickRNF, dit you forward the ports through your modem?
[07:33] <RickRNF> Yes
[07:33] <AndyChow888> I would suggest that you didn't.
[07:33] <AndyChow888> If you did, connect to your modem
[07:33] <AndyChow888> 's IP, with the port extension.
[07:34] <AndyChow888> Let
[07:35] <AndyChow888> s say your local IP is 192.168.1.1, and your modem is 232.231.1.1, then connect to 232.231.1.1:443
[07:37] <RickRNF> http://www.canyouseeme.org/ says both 90 and 443 are open. If I go to my modem's ip:80 it works and ip:443 does not work
[07:38] <RickRNF> both 80 and 443
[07:38] <AndyChow888> Maybe your permissions aren't set up right.
[07:41] <JimBuntu> RickRNF, side note, if you got the cert for a domain name, it will not appear to be working 100% for the IP address, ignore that.
[07:41] <zetheroo> I've got this odd issue with my laptop where after being on Standby my external monitors (connected to DP's on docking station) go nuts. The image is distorted, discolored and is twitching https://ibb.co/hk3bjf
[07:42] <zetheroo> The only "solution" I have is to hard reset the laptop .. but I would like to actually get to the point where I don't have to do that. :/
[07:45] <qswz> http://dpaste.com/3ACC0JP wtf snap, why are you polluting my df
[07:49] <AndyChow888> Yeah, I got the same. snap does that.
[07:49] <AndyChow888> Containers and whatnot.
[07:54] <JimBuntu> yup, that's how snaps work.
[07:56] <qswz> beh
[07:56] <qswz> wonder how that scales
[08:11] <Niytro> Trevor Something - Summer Love
[08:12] <ducasse> qswz: as you can see you have several mounts for some of the snaps - this is so you can rollback upgrades. you can remove the older ones.
[08:13] <Kaidok5797> If I were to update to 18.04 and its too slow for me or doesn work out... is there a path to downgrade back to 16.04?
[08:13] <ducasse> Kaidok5797: no
[08:13] <Kaidok5797> yikes...
[08:13] <Kaidok5797> darn
[08:14] <ducasse> Kaidok5797: apt is not designed for downgrading
[08:14] <Kaidok5797> hmm ok
[08:14] <Kaidok5797> I want to make the jump, just scared
[08:16] <ducasse> try a liveusb
[08:16] <Kaidok5797> I wish I knew someone who´s hardware was right on the line as well. lol
[08:16] <Kaidok5797> Yea I will. Gotta buy a USB drive. Iĺl try to remember to do that tomorrow
[08:17] <Kaidok5797> also.. another support thing. When I type a character like a ´
[08:17] <Kaidok5797> it makes me hit that key twice for it to show up.
[08:17] <Kaidok5797> Is that normal?
[08:17] <Kaidok5797> same with ¨
[08:18] <ducasse> that's called a 'dead letter', some keyboard layouts have some of them
[08:18] <Kaidok5797> so I would need to change my keyboard layout?
[08:19] <ducasse> try typing ˝ and then o - you should get ő
[08:19] <Kaidok5797> yea
[08:19] <Kaidok5797> same with a
[08:19] <Kaidok5797> ä
[08:20] <ducasse> it's for writing those characters
[08:20] <Kaidok5797> umlauts
[08:20] <JimBuntu> "o-
[08:20] <JimBuntu> What is this wizardry?
[08:20] <Kaidok5797> can I make it not do that?
[08:20] <ducasse> use another layout, i guess - see if there is one without dead letters
[08:21] <Guest9103> Howdy, how can I grep files that has a wildcard(*) in the filename?
[08:22] <Guest9103> I imagine ls | grep hello*.txt will also return hello5.txt
[08:22] <JimBuntu> Guest9103, using '
[08:22] <ducasse> Guest9103: escape the wildcard, like this: \*
[08:22] <Guest9103> Ok, two answers. I guess I get to pick
[08:23] <Guest9103> ducasse: what if I dont know on which position the * is in the filename?
[08:23] <Guest9103> Grep all files containing a wildcard in the filename, for an example
[08:23] <ducasse> 'grep *\**'
[08:23] <EriC^> Guest9103: ls | grep "hello\*.txt"
[08:24] <Guest9103> I'll try that
[08:24] <EriC^> quotes so bash escapes it, and the \ for grep to escape
[08:26] <EriC^> Guest9103: to answer your second question | grep "*"
[08:29] <Guest9103> Would it be safe to use rm -rf "*" for these files as well?
[08:29] <EriC^> rm -rf "*" won't do anything
[08:29] <EriC^> it works with grep cause grep gets the letter and shows it all
[08:30] <EriC^> like abcd | grep c , would capture it
[08:31] <Guest9103> The issue at point is that I have a script that go through each file in a directory and then performs mv $file $dest and ln -s $dest $file, when there is a start in the filename the script bogs down
[08:31] <Guest9103> so looking for ways to avoid this
[08:32] <syrin> hello anyone know how to fix a certain broken package
[08:32] <Guest9103> https://pastebin.com/ZmbWpF6z
[08:32] <Guest9103> the script by the way
[08:33] <syrin> so, i tried to upgrade the kernal, and canceled it becuase I realized i was on a openvz vps, and now I have a broken package. https://pastebin.com/Whnw4TQS
[08:33] <syrin> any way to remove the broken package?
[08:35] <qswz> ducasse: ok, thanks, a bit painful to manage :(
[08:37] <ducasse> syrin: try 'dpkg -P packagename'
[08:39] <EriC^> Guest9103: i'd recommend using -x in the script to see the output of what it's doing and exactly what's happening
[08:43] <syrin> same error: https://pastebin.com/fvCGQzAs
[08:44] <Guest9103> EriC^: my misstake was I didnt have the quotes on the paths
[08:44] <Guest9103> which caused the wildcard to be used as a pattern matching
[08:46] <EriC^> aha
[08:46] <EriC^> good job, thanks for the feedback
[08:54] <ignatiz-> I have 70Mb/s download speed on fast.com and speedtest but my apt upgrade is downloading at 180kb/s, what could cause this?
[08:55] <meowschwitz> in case anyone here interested with the outcome of my investigation of IPs disappearing from one of the interfaces, as I ranted yesterday
[08:55] <meowschwitz> it was systemd
[08:55] <vlt> ignatiz-: The connection to the server you’re updating from.
[08:55] <meowschwitz> it copied the config from netplan to /run/systemd/network while netplan was managing the interface during the initial deployment
[08:56] <meowschwitz> which it hence decided to manage
[08:56] <ignatiz-> vlt, is it worth changing the server that I'm connecting to?
[08:56] <JimBuntu> interesting meowschwitz
[08:56] <vlt> ignatiz-: Yes. You can put one close to you in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:57] <ignatiz-> vlt, is there somewhere I can see the list of servers I can connect to?
[08:57] <JimBuntu> ignatiz-, Have you checked your speedtest against realistic servers or only the defult (fastest ping time) ones?
[08:58] <ygk_12345> Hi all
[08:58] <ignatiz-> JimBuntu, I have 100Mb fibre connection and it's working perfectly just now
[08:58] <ygk_12345> i am facing an issue while booting an ubuntu 16 compute node in openstack. can someone help me please
[08:59] <vlt> ignatiz-: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[08:59] <JimBuntu> ignatiz-,  yeah, then manually rewrite the sources file for a local mirror... "local" being read as "fastest"
[08:59] <vlt> ignatiz-: Usually tld.archive.ubuntu.com should be fine.
[09:00] <syrin> anyone know how to fix, I usally on see the error when i install a package or (root@syrinity:/# apt-get install -f) : https://pastebin.com/fvCGQzAs
[09:01] <dreamcat4> hey there. i'm using firefox 63.0 on ubuntu 18.04. and i cannot install any extensions. firefox is saying they are corrupt. this is an issue that exists only on the ubuntu packaged version of firefox.
[09:01] <dreamcat4> it was supposed to be fixed already during 6.2.x
[09:01] <DJ-ArcAngel> hello
[09:01] <dreamcat4> anyone else seeing this on the latest 63.0 official version ?
[09:01] <DJ-ArcAngel> where in systemd is /run mounted?
[09:01] <DJ-ArcAngel> i put it in /etc/fstab, but it is ignored
[09:02] <DJ-ArcAngel> but findmnt --target /run gives mount options
[09:02] <DJ-ArcAngel> so it's mounted somewhere
[09:04] <ignatiz-> JimBuntu, vlt thanks
[09:04] <ignatiz-> I'll give that a shot
[09:30] <ygk_12345> hi all
[09:31] <ygk_12345> my compute node in openstack is stuck at booting at this point
[09:31] <ygk_12345> ""Starting Initial cloud-init job (metadata service crawler)"
[09:31] <ygk_12345> which service I have to disable for this ?
[09:35] <neure> hi
[09:35] <neure> something (debootstrap?) has messed up my keyboard mode
[09:36] <neure> how do I restore sanity?
[09:36] <neure> alt-f4 now does a VT switch
[09:41] <neure> was https://askubuntu.com/questions/886593/alt-f4-switches-to-tty4
[09:41] <neure> fix (sudo kbd_mode -s) worked, but I wonder what caused the problem..
[09:43] <neure> More in https://askubuntu.com/questions/805793/how-can-i-disable-the-virtual-terminal-switching-shortcut-keys-in-x/1059609#1059609
[09:43] <neure> hello, ubuntu, wtf
[09:43] <neure> why did you break alt-f4?
[09:46] <JimBuntu> It's about time someone taught ALT-F4 a lesson.
[10:06] <Greyztar> is % in bash to refer to some variabel or so,always when google affixes or so cant find any information
[10:06] <Greyztar> or for programming or so?
[10:08] <TJ-> Greyztar: it is used for job control to refer to each job
[10:09] <JimBuntu> You can also think of it as a regex, returning the shortest match, well... when used like ${thing%thing.thing}
[10:10] <Greyztar> TJ-: ahh so,that makes sense,thought i be to refer to something like that out of the script i saw,im a little bit carefull with these commands and such ever since i deleted all my stuff with find with delete switch placed in wrong place,ive learned no to always dry run :)
[10:10] <Greyztar> JimBuntu: thanks for that aswell
[10:11] <JimBuntu> yw Greyztar .
[10:11] <JimBuntu> !cookie | TJ-   You help a lot
[10:11] <Greyztar> (,")
[10:12] <florinski> Hi I'm preparing a book, papersize A5, PDF-format. Now I'm fiddling with fontsize and margins, printing two logical A5 pages on one physical A4 page. I note that my printer cannot print up to the actual physical margin of the sheet. This result in the printouts always being scaled. Even if I switch scaling of in the printer dialogue (evince, qpdfview, okular) it does not change. Do you have an idea how to print withou
[10:12] <florinski> t downscaling? Thank you in advance.
[10:17] <TJ-> florinski: sounds like a printer driver bug. Have you checked the CUPS printer administration options for that printer ( http://localhost:631/ )
[10:19] <florinski> TJ-, yes I have but I can't set any margins there nor any scaling.
[10:21] <paxous> my nyga
[10:22] <florinski> TJ-, what I found on the internet is that you can program KYOCERA printers by sending them plain text code in a language called PRESCRIBE. In order to reduce the physical margins in the printer's own settings. But I'm about to mess around with that because I just don't know how to send plain text to my printer.
[10:24] <florinski> TJ-, correction: I'm at the moment not playing around with prescribe ...
[10:26] <fedora29> should I switch from fedora to ubuntu?
[10:26] <lotuspsychje> fedora29: as you are in the ubuntu channel, we reccomend using ubuntu yes
[10:26] <Mathisen> fedora29, totaly upp to you
[10:28] <fedora29> but ubuntu's packages are a lot older than fedora's
[10:28] <JackWinter> having problems with efibootmgr segfaulting first time i run it, which breaks the ubiquity installer.  if i try to run it again, then nothing happens.  is this a good channel to ask for help?
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> !latest | fedora29
[10:29] <JackWinter> to me very much a personal choice what distro to run, and what is better is very much in the eye of the beholder :)
[10:31] <Paddy_NI> I am transferring some data to a new secondary SSD for a client of mine, for this I am using ubuntu and a handy sata dock.  Are there any disadvantages to creating the filesystem format (ntfs) using gparted on Ubuntu over doing this using proper Windows?
[10:33] <dovah> is this the ppa to use for graphics drivers https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> dovah: yes
[10:34] <tomreyn> JackWinter: if this isa supported release please post a bug report using "ubuntu-bug efibootmgr" (if none exists), and try to sudo apt update && sudo apt install efibootmgr before you install
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> dovah: wich issue do you encounter?
[10:34] <dovah> its the real one from ubuntu?
[10:34] <dovah> nothing i just want the updated drivers
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> dovah: does your current drivers dont work properly?
[10:34] <dovah> yeah
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> dovah: what happens?
[10:35] <dovah> nothing they work fine
[10:35] <dovah> i just want the updated ones i dont care if stuff breaks
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> dovah: then i would advice to stay on your working drivers
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> dovah: wich driver version do you use currently?
[10:35] <dovah> but thats the real ppa from ubuntu?
[10:35] <nikolam> My Firefox is crashing now
[10:35] <dovah> lemmy check
[10:36] <nikolam> Also had problems getting back tabs and were crashing on restoring tabs and restart
[10:36] <nikolam> Only when I killed remembered tabs, it started but now is crashing on new tabs
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> dovah: this launchpad is the ubuntu graphics ppa yes, and used alot for updated drivers
[10:37] <paxous> guys, I installed lamp in ubuntu 18.04, it didnt asked for mysql root in the configuration, BUT now i installed phpmyadmin, and I can't login with only the username root, what do i do?
[10:37] <dovah> oh i havent installed the gpu drivers yet but they usually work fine
[10:37] <dovah> still on noveau
[10:37] <florinski> I'm going to solve this physically by having a copy shop print the pages 1:1. thank you and take care
[10:37] <dovah> ok thanks lotuspsychje
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> dovah: ubuntu-drivers list to see what your system reccomends
[10:37] <JackWinter> tomreyn: yes i can make an account and a bug report but at the moment my priority is to get linux installed on the machine :)  i have booted the system and done apt update etc and it still won't work, so i'm at somewhat a loss.
[10:38] <paxous> any help?
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> !lamp | paxous start here
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> paxous: see also #ubuntu-server or #httpd
[10:39] <paxous> so you know nothing about this?~
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> paxous: if volunteers know your issue,they will reply..please be patient
[10:40] <fena> hi paxous, did you install LAMP using tasksel?
[10:40] <tomreyn> dovah: this PPA is managed by ubuntu x developers, but it's still a PPA, may or may not get updates in the future. also read the WARNING. it's best not to use PPAs when you don't strictly need to (although this one is probably maintained).
[10:41] <dovah> ok thanks
[10:47] <TJ-> paxous: the 'root' password for mysql is usually empty ("")
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> Paddy_NI: what will be the end goal of the ntfs drive?
[10:48] <Paddy_NI> lotuspsychje, It's primary purpose will be to hold his game installs
[10:48] <TJ-> paxous: the debconf action on -configure is to set it to that *unless* it is already set due to it being an update or dpkg-reconfigure
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> Paddy_NI: but you will have to re-install windows anyway right?
[10:49] <Paddy_NI> lotuspsychje, No unfortunately not, he is not movable in this area ;-(
[10:50] <dovah> also has anybody ever had the latest ubuntu 18.10 desktop environment become so slow that you press a button and it takes forever for something to happen
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> dovah: take a look in dmesg whats happening exactly to your system
[10:51] <dovah> ok
[10:51] <dovah> i reinstalled since then and wiped windows again
[10:51] <dovah> but next time i will
[11:00] <CryptoSiD> anyone have experience with litespeed?
[11:00] <CryptoSiD> Reached max children process limit: 20, extra: 6, current: 26, please increase LSAPI_CHILDREN
[11:00] <CryptoSiD> im unable to find "LSAPI_CHILDREN" SETTING in the webmin console of litespeed :|
[11:01] <nikolam> neither thunderbird can start anymore.. what's going on..
[11:02] <nikolam> I also have separate firefox developer edition installed in shared folder and it also have problems , cant change active tab
[11:03] <ddoobb> Is there a way I can find out when the update for a package is coming on LTS, say LibreOffice 6.1?
[11:04] <nikolam> https://bpaste.net/show/262db2d4439b
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> ddoobb: just keep your system up to date, when updates come, they come
[11:06] <nikolam> ddoobb, usually main versions of packages remain mostly the same, with security patches, during release support time, maybe asking on ubuntu-dev?
[11:06] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, It is truly good to know ahead of time what is cooking, I think he were thinking about that
[11:07] <ddoobb> nikolam: So LTS systems will always stay on the same version of LibreOffice (6.06) for five years?
[11:07] <tomreyn> JackWinter: maybe your installation media is broken, this could cause things to segfault. you can check it from the grub menu, there is an option to verify all installed packages
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: nobody can predict security flaws right :p
[11:07] <nikolam> ddoobb, well. I don't know for sure, you need to contact dev people to know ahead what's cooking
[11:08] <ddoobb> nikolam: usually is that what happens? I mean firefox stays on the same version on LTS?
[11:08] <nikolam> ddoobb, usually supported packages remain not much changing
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> ddoobb: if you want to test out newer versions of packages, there are !backports, snaps or higher ubuntu versions to try other package versions
[11:09] <nikolam> ddoobb, firefox I think is not such a good example, because it is much dynamic as it is.
[11:09] <ddoobb> People running 16.04 are not on Firefox quantum then I suppose?
[11:10] <nikolam> ddoobb, you can always check per-release package sersions on packages.ubuntu.com search
[11:10] <Alina-malina> problem r8168-dkms 8.044.02-2 [origin:unknown] ubuntu
[11:10] <Greyztar> 3 hours worth of trying to set custom resolution windows only to find its a 2 liner in linux
[11:10] <Alina-malina> everytime i boot it gives this error
[11:11] <JackWinter> tomreyn: i've tried several different ubuntu flavours from various install media so i doubt that.  system also boots and appears to work well.  since it's not my own system i'm close to wiping windows and setting it up as a legacy boot instead.  this is taking me far too much time :)
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> Alina-malina: start from the beginning, please, ubuntu version? kernel version? network card chipset?
[11:11] <Alina-malina> hmmm
[11:11] <Alina-malina> ubuntu 16.04 xenial
[11:12] <JackWinter> tomreyn: i just don't seem to be able to write a new boot entry to the uefi bios, not sure if this is hardware/bios or software related, which is the reason i was looking for somewhere to discuss efibootmgr
[11:13] <Alina-malina> lotuspsychje, kernel version 4.15.0-39-generic
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> Alina-malina: ok looks up to date
[11:14] <JackWinter> tomreyn: it's specifically the writing to nvram that fails
[11:14] <Alina-malina> strange error
[11:14] <nikolam> Anyone else have problems with firefox and thunderbird crashing in latest LTS?
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> Alina-malina: could you check if your driver loaded? sudo lshw -C network
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: try to launch your firefox of thunderbird from terminal, see if you can catch usefull errors
[11:16] <Alina-malina> lotuspsychje, i just restart the ubuntu and seems like the error gone, let me wait a littie bit and see if it appears again
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> Alina-malina: allright, keep a tail -f /var/log/syslog open perhaps
[11:17] <Alina-malina> ok thanks, i will monitor and see if errors apear
[11:24] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, https://bpaste.net/show/81a0ada9c4d9
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: you are on 18.04.1 system up to date?
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox bionic | nikolam is what you have <== ?
[11:39] <Greyztar> what ever happend with Iceweasel?
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> !info iceweasel
[11:40] <Rich03> Hello, i am hoping someone can help me. I have had a terrible time installing a Canon LBP 2900 on Ubuntu 18 but i have finally got it working. My problem now is trying to accept jobs from windows machines on the same network the jobs get through to CUPS but they just sit with a status of sending data to printer this seems to block up the printer.
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> Greyztar: join #ubuntu-discuss plz
[11:44] <Greyztar> lotuspsychje: ok
[11:44] <TJ-> Rich03: the Windows PCs have the Canon LBP driver too?
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> Rich03: can this help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems
[11:51] <sruli> is there a way to verify a email signature online (browser)? i want to include instructions in my email so people who have no knowledge can just put the asc file in a site and get the verification
[11:53] <Rich03> TJ: The windows machines have the drivers installed
[11:54] <Cheez> sruli: there are browser plugins like mailvelope
[11:55] <Cheez> that will verify at least gpg signatures, maybe s/mime too
[11:56] <sruli> Cheez, dont want to tell people to start installing / configuring stuff, is there no site where i can paste in the email and key and get it to verify?
[11:57] <TJ-> sruli: that will never work; you'd have to have ultimate trust in that site
[11:58] <sruli> TJ-: gotcha, thanks
[11:59] <TJ-> sruli: as you already know, the key fingerprint and possibly (public) key itself need to be separately obtained/confirmed over an out-of-band channel to be sure there's no MITM
[12:00] <sruli> TJ-: true, didnt think of that
[12:01] <TJ-> sruli: I distribute my sig file on emails as .asc ... I get so many phone calls along the lines of "I received this attachment but I can't open it"
[12:02] <sruli> TJ-: i used to get many email about it, have an auto reply now but do make a note of it in my emails (it was you who introduced me to encrypting singing emails, thanks)
[12:03] <sruli> TJ-: off-topic, greycat in bash channel *plonked* me for breaking too many things, we really need that hackathon ;-)
[12:04] <TJ-> sruli: you've another thing to think of; .asc (ASCII Armor) implies using PGP not S/MIME, so you've got GPG vs PKI with OS/browser embedded CAs
[12:05] <TJ-> sruli: I'd suggest find some authorative links for each type, on each target OS, and put host them on your own web-site and point your correspondents to that site. Microsoft publish info for S/MIME as in https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Verify-the-digital-signature-on-a-signed-email-message-21EBF9C6-3CAB-48DF-9559-19AF76F6CBED
[12:06] <TJ-> sruli: you could find other similar easy to read authoratative articles
[12:07] <TJ-> sruli: In my experience, S/MIME has less friction cross-platform for crypto novices
[12:18] <TheWild> hello
[12:18] <dadada> hi
[12:18] <TheWild> how I'm going to *completely* disable gpg-agent?
[12:19] <dadada> what are the most important files to backup, if I want to recreate a ubuntu server with the same configuration. Most important for me would be the list of ppa packages and currently installed packages. I'd not like to run apt-get manually.
[12:20] <TheWild> I've uninstalled it before, but it doesn't make gpg fit to the new situation - it's angry that it can't run gpg-agent but doesn't ask me for password anyway. Just doesn't decrypt the stuff.
[12:20] <dadada> command_to_save_server_package_config > saved.cfg; -> new server: command_to_reinstall_same_packages -i saved.cfg
[12:21] <TJ-> dadada: it's not so much the list of installed packages, as any configs for them in /etc/ or /var/lib/
[12:21] <blackswan> dpkg --get-selections or something like that gets the list of installed packages
[12:22] <dadada> TJ-: could I get a list of all files in /etc/ /var/lib that diverge from the defaults?
[12:22] <blackswan> there are lists of conffiles for each package in some /var/lib/dpkg/info, i think, not sure what a command might be to list those
[12:22] <TJ-> dadada: you should use "apt-mark showauto" and possibly "apt-mark showmanual" rather than "dpkg --get-selections"
[12:22] <thinky> hi
[12:23] <blackswan> i live in the past. i don't think that feature was there when i learned how to do things.
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:23] <blackswan> maybe use debconf to dump the debconf settings
[12:24] <TJ-> dadada: although I'd prefer using "debfoster --show-keepers" over "apt-mark ..." since it doesn't create a reliance on specific library SONAME versions
[12:24] <blackswan> this isn't guaranteed to get everything, but it should get you stuff that would be removed if you purged the package, at least.
[12:24] <thinky> i installed steam on ubuntu 18.04.1  by these commands : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZgWkwRQ7pp/ but now i can not remove it
[12:25] <TJ-> dadada: getting the conf files should be possible using 'debsums' - to detect differences between the original default and the current installed. That is how regular package upgrades detect your local changes and prompt for which to use
[12:25] <blackswan> thinky: are you trying to remove "steam"? maybe you need to remove "steam:i386"
[12:26] <dadada> TJ-, blackswan, ty
[12:26] <TJ-> dadada: but, e.g., that won't help if you've got databases (e.g. mysql/mariadb/postgresql) which keep their DB files under /var/lib/
[12:26] <blackswan> and the other :i386 packages you installed if you don't need them.
[12:26] <thinky> blackswan: yes
[12:26] <dadada> unfortunately the internet doesn't work for the server currently, so can't install debfoster, debsums now
[12:27] <TJ-> dadada: how about using apt-offline :) ?
[12:27] <TJ-> !info apt-offline | dadada
[12:27] <thinky> but it says : Package 'steam:i386' is not installed, so not removed
[12:27] <dadada> there's no apt-offline installed (yet)
[12:27] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, sorry for slow response, were working. Yes aI also updated (X)Ubuntu today and rebooted. I didn't have a problem yesterday.
[12:27] <TJ-> dadada: maybe you can apt-offline apt-offline :)
[12:27] <dadada> maybe it's a joke
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: ah, try booting a previous kernel? might be the .39 recently?
[12:29] <nikolam> https://bpaste.net/show/3df83a0c1a46
[12:29] <dadada> TJ-: system-config-kickstarter is similar to what I want, but does too much, I don't want partitions to be setup, I just want installed packages, repository configurations and configuation files to be restored
[12:29] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, I also have BTRFS snaphots to try out previous state of system...
[12:30] <dadada> like ssh configuration and the like, and also user configs in $USER/.config and the like
[12:30] <nikolam> will try other kernel first lotuspsychje  , ok
[12:30] <thinky> it says steam is not installed but i can see steam icon on applications list
[12:30] <TJ-> dadada: for cloning, which I do across releases (e.g. 16.04 > 18.04) debfoster is the only way to do it since it only lists the 'top-level' packages. Their dependencies pull in everything else requires, which avoids library SONAME failures
[12:32] <TJ-> dadada: but I generally distribute config file changes via either a git repo or by a network-shared /usr/local/ file system mounted on all hosts, that gets /usr/local/etc/ dirs/files selectively either copied or symlinked into /etc/ after the packages are installed.
[12:33] <TJ-> dadada: for configs where I maintain significant deltas from the defaults I use dpkg-divert extensively so there are no package-upgrade questions/conflicts
[12:35] <JackWinter> tomreyn: fwiw, i found this bugreport for efibootmgr: https://github.com/rhboot/efibootmgr/issues/92  it's the exact problem i'm encountering.  i set it to legacy mode, wiped windows, and kde neon installs and boots perfectly well.  so i don't think there is a point to create an ubuntu bug report for it, as it's an upstream bug or hardware/bios issue.  i'll also won't have the hardware around to follow up a report.  thanks for the help in anycase!
[12:36] <JackWinter> now to finally playing elite dangerous under wine :)
[12:40] <thinky> any help please?
[12:44] <CalotteMortuaire> What's your issue thinky ?
[12:46] <thinky> yesterday i installed steam but it shows 2 steam icons
[12:46] <thinky> then i removed by sudo apt remove steam command but steam icon shows in application list still
[12:46] <thinky> when i want to remove again it says not installed and nothing removed
[12:46] <thinky> how can i get rid of that?
[12:47] <thinky> i want to totally remove steam
[12:47] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, I booted previous kernel  4.15.0-38 with same updated config, it starts thunderbird then dies, also firefox dies
[12:48] <hateball> thinky: when you install the package steam, it only installs a launcher that helps download/install steam into your ~/
[12:48] <CalotteMortuaire> I actually am not that knowledgeable so I'll let more competent people answer your question. However, I advise you to look up "purge" and "autoremove" commands with apt-get, just Google it you may find helpful answers.
[12:48] <thinky> hateball: i did these commands : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZgWkwRQ7pp/
[12:48] <hateball> thinky: so the actual steam install would be in like... ~/.steam/ and that's most likely where that shortcut points
[12:49] <thinky> hateball: there is no folder as steam
[12:50] <nikolam> https://bpaste.net/show/387654cc8f26
[12:51] <JackWinter> thinky: look in ~/.local and ~/.config
[12:52] <JackWinter> maybe you just have a desktop file hanging around somewhere, or the system didn't really notice that it was removed so just keeps the steam menu entry around
[12:53] <hateball> thinky: it'll be in a dot-folder, like JackWinter said look in .local also. Not got Steam installed here at work so I can check ^^
[12:53] <thinky> JackWinter: i looked and still no steam in there
[12:54] <hateball> thinky: if you look at the properties for the desktop shortcut it should say where it is trying to launch steam from
[12:54] <thinky> hateball: it is not on desktop it is on applications list
[12:54] <thinky> gnome app list
[12:54] <hateball> ah well, same thing
[12:55] <hateball> that said, I dont use gnome so I dont know how to check there :p
[12:55] <JackWinter> see if you have a steam.desktop file somewhere
[12:56] <JackWinter> i guess in ~/.local
[12:56] <JackWinter> i mean in a sub dir off ~/.local
[12:56] <ioria> usually in ~./local/shate/applications  or in /usr/share/applications
[12:56] <ioria> *share
[12:57] <thinky> no
[12:58] <CalotteMortuaire> (aren't *.desktop files somewhere in /usr/share/ ?)
[12:58] <thinky> there are some files : steam.gufw, steam.jhansonxi, steam.png..etc
[12:58] <thinky> when i search "steam"
[12:59] <JackWinter> CalotteMortuaire: yes, but was thinking that steam was installed in ~ and not systemwide
[12:59] <thinky> steam.py
[12:59] <thinky> there are many files like that but no .desktop
[12:59] <CalotteMortuaire> JackWinter: that could very well be, yes.
[13:00] <ioria> thinky, sudo updatedb  and  locate steam | grep desktop
[13:01] <thinky> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c4cfjgqZYW/
[13:02] <ioria> thinky, should be the first one
[13:04] <thinky> ioria: icon is still in app list
[13:06] <thinky> i better uninstall lutris too
[13:07] <ioria> thinky, i don't know exactly what you mean with 'app list'... the Search utility you got pressing the Super key ?
[13:07] <thinky> gnome applications
[13:07] <thinky> like unity
[13:07] <thinky> that shows installed programs
[13:11] <thinky> damn :/ even i removed lutris f..ng steam icon still there
[13:12] <afx_> Hello ! Anyone familiar with Recoll?
[13:12] <rpifan> no
[13:16] <thinky> finally
[13:17] <thinky> it is gone
[13:17] <thinky> lol
[13:18] <thinky> may i ask another question? when i do ubuntu-support-status command it shows about 165 unsupported packages. should i remove them?
[13:22] <CalotteMortuaire> ouch, I ran the same command as you thinky and I found 136 unsupported packages
[13:22] <CalotteMortuaire> I don't think it would be a good idea to remove all of them, because in the list I find packages I installed manually, icon packages, colour themes, etc. So it's not that bad imo
[13:23] <hateball> that just means you might have packages from universe installed for instance
[13:24] <BluesKaj> what's the actual command
[13:24] <BluesKaj> ?
[13:24] <hateball> BluesKaj: like he said, ubuntu-support-status
[13:24] <CalotteMortuaire> Add in "--unsupported-packages" to get the list
[13:25] <BluesKaj> hmm, Command 'ubuntu-support-status.' not found, did you mean:  command 'ubuntu-support-status' from deb update-manager-core
[13:25] <hateball> there's no man-page, but I am guessing it just has 5 years support for packages in main and not universe/multiverse repos
[13:26] <BluesKaj> running kubuntu here, guess it's just for ubuntu
[13:26] <hateball> it's a python script in /usr/bin/ubuntu-support-status if you want to dissect it
[13:26] <thinky> lol
[13:27] <thinky> it says python3 also unsupported O.o
[13:27] <hateball> BluesKaj: I have it as well, on a base kubuntu install... so I guess it gets pulled with some package or other
[13:27] <hateball> at any rate it's not really something to worry about
[13:27] <thinky> ok
[13:28] <BluesKaj> yeah, not gonna remove packages that "seem" unsupported
[13:29] <thinky> ;)
[13:30] <InvisibleRasta> hello guys how do i specify the mirror on this command? debootstrap --arch ARCH bionic /mnt/ubuntu
[13:32] <InvisibleRasta> this is the output i get http://dpaste.com/1GGWTYK
[13:32] <InvisibleRasta> it seems that i need to specify a mirror somehow
[13:34] <CalotteMortuaire> I'd like to know too
[13:35] <sruli> TJ-: thanks for that info, with regards to the certs do you use a separate one for each email or are all in 1 cert? I want to add signature to another email address and am wondering if there is a way to add it to my existing cert or i need to create a new one.
[13:51] <dj_dragon> i need help configuring mail server
[13:52] <hateball> dj_dragon: That is a bit out of the scope of support for this channel. Based on *which* server, there's probably a channel dedicated to it
[13:53] <solsTiCe> hi. from https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/documentation/iw#setting_tx_power the value to use to set txpower is to be in mBm.  but I just used `sudo iw dev wlp2s0 set txpower limit 21` and iw dev reports a txpower of 21 dBm. So is that doc old ? of course there is nothing in the man page. also being in europe, an crda/iw reg set acorrding to this, txpower should not be more than 20. why does it even work  for 21 ? in
[13:53] <solsTiCe> the first place ? or seems to work
[13:59] <CalotteMortuaire> does anyone know why creating .sh file through Nautilus makes it automatically executable ? Is there a way to configure it so that it has to be made executable manually ? I honestly don't like the idea of any .sh created with a right clic being directly x'able
[14:02] <tomreyn> CalotteMortuaire: how did you 'create it through Nautilus'?
[14:03] <e_motion> Its more like a feature. Cause its probably ment to be a script, its made executable
[14:03] <e_motion> Idk if this behavior is stoppable
[14:03] <CalotteMortuaire> tomreyn: i meant right clic > New Doc. This doesn't happen for example when I create a file through CLI "echo "test" > file.sh"
[14:05] <tomreyn> CalotteMortuaire: when i do   RMB -> "New document" -> "Plain text"   I get a file called "Plain Text.txt" which is not executable. how do you create the script via gui?
[14:06] <CalotteMortuaire> tomreyn: It's not necessarily a script, it happens with any text file I create by right clicking in Nautilus > New Document > Empty Document
[14:07] <ignatiz-> I've installed 18.04 on my Acer Aspire v3-572pg-530y and it's failing to detect WiFi adapter / LAN cable adapter. I can get it to work on USB > Ethernet. Where can I download all of the relevant drivers for my machine?
[14:07] <tomreyn> CalotteMortuaire: hmm i don't have the "empty document" option there. what is the file called when you create it like this, or what happened after you choose this option?
[14:07] <tomreyn> CalotteMortuaire: also, which ubuntu version? i'm on 18.04.1 amd64, english locale.
[14:10] <CalotteMortuaire> tomreyn: I'm on 16.04. When I right click inside Nautilus > New Document > Empty Document, it creates a file called "New Document" but I generally change its name to *.txt or *.sh. Even if the file is emty, it's x'able. When I type in CLI "echo "text" > file.sh" the file isn't natively x'able, which I think is better and safer. It just annoys me to create text files through GUI and have to
[14:10] <CalotteMortuaire> manually un-x'able them
[14:11] <tomreyn> ignatiz-: please run: sudo lshw -short -numeric -class network | pastebinit
[14:13] <pragmaticenigma> solsTiCe: As the article you posted states at the very top, the configuration tool is still under active development. This would explain why the man page is incomplete and why there might be missing validation for the setting. To verify properly if it is a bug, you should look through the source code and find out what it does with that option.
[14:13] <tomreyn> CalotteMortuaire: yes, this seems wrong to me, i suggest you check for existing bug reports and report a new bug if there is none. the "ubuntu-bug nautilus" command may help you do so.
[14:13] <ignatiz-> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bZhzBDMdmS/
[14:14] <Bluewolf> Good day. I'm trying to install a package for a friend and Its not allowing me to - Here is the error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rVtmQqdt7Z/
[14:15] <pragmatic_enigma> Bluewolf: Support for 3rd party installation is not available here. you will have to reach out to the maintainer of that software for help
[14:15] <BluesKaj> CalotteMortuaire, are you creating these docs in "root"in nautilus?
[14:16] <Bluewolf> pragmatic_enigma: Okay - So its not my terrible use of the command line? :D
[14:16] <pragmatic_enigma> Bluewolf: It might also help to read the entire error message... often answers to your own questions are right there in the message
[14:17] <CalotteMortuaire> tomreyn: thanks a lot mate, I'll try that
[14:18] <solsTiCe> pragmaticenigma: it does not do anyhting on the value inputted. just pass it along to libnl I guess as is. May be libnl has some magic or not ?
[14:18] <CalotteMortuaire> BluesKaj: just checked with ls, the owner of the documents created through Nautilus aren't root but me, the usual user.
[14:19] <BluesKaj> CalotteMortuaire, ok
[14:19] <pragmaticenigma> solsTiCe: I wouldn't know, just providing highlights of what I see in the documentation that is available
[14:20] <Bluewolf> pragmatic_enigma: In truth, I'm terrible with commands and. I mean is it as simple as in stalling "package python-wxgtk2.8" if its dependent on it?
[14:20] <BluesKaj> maybe I have root in my current dir places since I use  / and /home partitions
[14:20] <tomreyn> ignatiz-: for the wireless, you may need to:  sudo apt update && sudo apt install firmware-b43-installer broadcom-sta-dkms
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> Bluewolf: only one way to find out
[14:21] <solsTiCe> pragmaticenigma: iw is supposed to replace iwconfig. iwconfig is deprecated. iw is in active developpment that is a good thing. As stated in the doc, it is just like the kernel. that does not mean it is alpha or beta quality
[14:21] <BluesKaj> pragmaticenigma, think Bluewolf is wondering wth is going on :-)
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> solsTiCe: This conversation is no longer on topic for this channel. Please feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:22] <solsTiCe> really ?
[14:23] <pragmaticenigma> BluesKaj: And the teachable moment for Bluewolf is to read the error message all the way through. As the answer to their problem was in the error message.
[14:23] <tomreyn> ignatiz-: the RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10EC:8168] should normally work out of the box, maybe post: journalctl --system | pastebinit
[14:23] <ignatiz-> tomreyn, thanks, it's doing that now. For some reason it's stuck at 80kB/s when it's on 100Mb fibre connection
[14:23] <tomreyn> ignatiz-: the ubuntu mirror servers are currently very, very loaded
[14:24] <ignatiz-> tomreyn, how come? It's been like that for me all day
[14:25] <Bluewolf> BluesKaj: Hahaha you read my mind. pragmaticenigma: I followed the error down the rabbit hole, it lead me to this: E: Package 'python-wxgtk2.8' has no installation candidate.
[14:25] <Bluewolf> Apologises for the noobyness, I'm terrible with this stuff.
[14:25] <tomreyn> ignatiz-: i dont know the details, just the fact. you can switch to a local mirror server and should get much faster throughput
[14:25] <telamohn> Uh hey guys, anyone here experiencing issue from resuming from screen-poweroff/lockscreen on 18.10?
[14:25] <ignatiz-> tomreyn, how do I do that?
[14:26] <ignatiz-> tomreyn, this is a fresh install of 18.04 that I have just installed 1 hour ago btw, everything is default
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Bluewolf, join the club :-)
[14:27] <telamohn> Both my newly upgraded 18.10 were failed to give me my desktop back when i woke up this morning.
[14:27] <pragmaticenigma> Bluewolf: That is because you are installing a piece of software that isn't supported. If the package isn't available in the Ubuntu supplied software repositories, it's not supported here. 3rd parties often include dependencies for software not available, which is also why it's not supported here. Given your self titled "noob" status, you should stick to the tools and software provided as is.
[14:27] <Bluewolf> I'm still trying to work out just how pragmatic the enigma actually is as well :P
[14:27] <BluesKaj> ok ,stuff to do, BBL
[14:28] <Bluewolf> pragmaticenigma: Fair enough. welp and thanks
[14:29] <tomreyn> ignatiz-: i understand so much. to change your mirror server, run "software-properties-gtk" - then under "Download from" select "Other" and pick a location close to you
[14:29] <pragmaticenigma> Bluewolf: Again, you should be reaching out to the community that is behind the software you wish to install, they can help you. If you can't find support from them, then you should consider a different piece of software.
[14:30] <tomreyn> ignatiz-: you can take a look at this list to get an idea of which mirror may be a good choice: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[14:32] <tomreyn> ignatiz-: you'd want one which is not that far behind, and one which has a high throughput. security updates are always directly loaded from canonical, so haivng the other mirrors lag a day or three behind is not much of a concern.
[14:33] <Bluewolf> pragmaticenigma: I'm searching for that now. Problem is, the particular nature of this program is few and far between on Linux. I mean there are others, just not that fit the required criteria. Thanks for the assistance :y:
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> I found help in 5 min with a simple google search... Bluewolf, it's not that hard
[14:35] <telamohn> Bluewolf: What program did you have issues with? ( Sorry joining the conversation late)
[14:35] <ignatiz-> tomreyn, thanks I got one that's much faster. I installed those drivers but it still says no WiFi adapter connected
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> telamohn: acpi issues depends alot of your computer brand on ubuntu, try to dig in your syslog for relevant issues
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> telamohn: in some cases: bios update can do magic
[14:36] <Bluewolf> pragmaticenigma: Indeed. Thanks again.
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> telamohn: it's an application that is provided by a 3rd party, it's not supported in this channel
[14:36] <telamohn> lotuspsychje: thanks, i found a slack thread with people experiencing similar issues, it's just i have a thinkpad laptop and amd-based desktop-pc that both show exactly the same symptoms.
[14:37] <Bluewolf> telamohn: Its fine thanks, I'm well on my way.
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> telamohn: yes, alot of lenovo acpi issues out there, check gnome-software if you see lenovo firmware updates too
[14:38] <ignatiz-> tomreyn, here's the other pastebin http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2Hx9QDVhSr/
[14:41] <telamohn> lotuspsychje: yeah about that, my update is blank, but I upgraded to 18.10 two days ago without any issues, I suspect i received a bad patch through auto-updates yesterday evening.
[14:42] <telamohn> Found guys with similar issue on stackof: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1083950/ubuntu-18-10-issue-with-screen-inactivity-and-lock-screen
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> telamohn: did you experience this in 18.04.1?
[14:46] <telamohn> no never
[14:47] <telamohn> As i said, i upgraded couple of days ago, been happily using 18.10 without issues.
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> telamohn: file a bug against 18.10 then
[14:47] <telamohn> alright, uh, sorry i've never filed bugs for ubuntu before, where do i do that again?
[14:48] <lemko> is it me or today ubuntu package repositories server are slow for xenial?
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> telamohn: ubuntu-bug affectedpackage (from terminal)
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> lemko: wich country please?
[14:48] <lemko> CZ
[14:48] <lemko> Czech republic
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> lemko: we had reports from canada & france today, please join #ubuntu-mirrors
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> telamohn: ubuntu bug will then automaticly direct you to launchpad, where you need to enter a title and your storys description
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> telamohn: feel free to share the bugs link to us afterwards
[14:51] <tomreyn> ignatiz-: it may require rebooting or following the instructions at https://wiki.debian.org/wl#Installation to replace or reload the drivers for the broadcom (bcm) chipset
[14:52] <ignatiz-> reboot did indeed work for the wifi drivers!
[14:56] <TJ-> sruli: been out running... With PGP I have some keys with multiple identities (email addresses) attached, and some a single identity. For S/MIME X509 certificates it depends on if the certificate is free or paid-for and what it allows for the Common-Name/Subject-Alt Name fields
[14:57] <sruli> TJ-: already added more emails to my key, now trying to upload it, the pub key remains the same after adding identity?
[14:58] <TJ-> sruli: yes, my primary key has about 20 email addresses added!
[14:59] <telamohn> lotuspsychje: wow that's handy! But i'm not sure i know which `package` is affected by this. my laptop is using the password-lockscsreen but my desktop dosent.
[15:00] <telamohn> so i'm not sure if i should blame the lockscreen :D
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> telamohn: try to bug against 'linux' as it might be acpi/kernel related
[15:00] <telamohn> Not quite sure really how to describe this problem either, "Screen stuck after resuming from screen-blank/timeout" ?
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> telamohn: that sounds good
[15:01] <telamohn> alright thank you man!
[15:01] <tomreyn> ignatiz-: sorry, i lakck the time to help you now. so i'll just describe the general approach. when some network device (be it ethernet or wireless) doesn't work, you first need to find out the chipset. those are (not uniquely, but very closely) descrivbed by the hhhh:hhhh (with 'h' in 0..9,a..f) IDs provided in the hwinfo command's output i provided earlier. you then do a web search for this id combined with "linux OR ubuntu OR debian", e.g.:
[15:01] <tomreyn> linux OR ubuntu OR debian "1234:abcd"
[15:02] <sruli> TJ-: adding the pub key to keyserver.ubuntu.com is enough for all major keyservers (such as http://pgp.mit.edu, keys.mailvelope.com, etc)?
[15:02] <tomreyn> ignatiz-: this should help you find instructions on how to use make it work. or just keep asking here for others to help out.
[15:04] <luna_> Watching Ubuntu 18.10 webinar :)
[15:04] <pragmaticenigma> Hello luna_, Do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[15:04] <ignatiz-> tomreyn, thank you for the answer! I will do some further research :)
[15:05] <luna> pragmaticenigma: nope
[15:05] <TJ-> sruli: yes, last time I checked it was still part of the keyserver pool
[15:05] <pragmaticenigma> okay luna, please feel free to use #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu-discuss for non-support related conversations and discussions
[15:06] <sruli> TJ-: just checked keys.mailvelope.com and my original key from 2016 wasnt there, uploaded it there
[15:06] <sruli> TJ-: i mean i uploaded it now
[15:06] <luna> pragmaticenigma: okay
[15:08] <TJ-> sruli: is that not a part of https://sks-keyservers.net/  ?
[15:09] <sruli> TJ-: i dont see it in their status page https://sks-keyservers.net/status/
[15:11] <TJ-> sruli: looks like Ubuntu's keyserver is no longer in the pool
[15:12] <TJ-> sruli: looks like keyserver.ubuntu.com only does synchronisation, so that is OK
[15:17] <BlackOp> can i get ubuntu related hostmask?
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> !mask | BlackOp
[15:19] <BlackOp> !membership
[15:20] <mfilipe> hey! how do I configure my firefox-snap to use the fonts of the system?
[15:21] <pragmaticenigma> mfilipe: You can't... also, why are you using the Firefox Snap?
[15:22] <mfilipe> pragmaticenigma: I like the concept of the snap packages
[15:22] <mfilipe> I think it's better than the normal packages
[15:23] <mfilipe> pragmaticenigma: are you sure that firefox can't get the system fonts?
[15:23] <pragmaticenigma> mfilipe: snaps run in an isolated sandbox. They have no access to other system components. Without proper permissions set by the snap maintainer, it cannot access many system features.
[15:27] <pragmaticenigma> mfilipe: also, snaps are not supported here. for support with snaps, you will have to contact the snap maintainer.
[15:28] <mfilipe> pragmaticenigma: I'm trying
[15:28] <mfilipe> I already sent a question to #firefox
[15:35] <ubuntuisloved> I've installed fresh ubuntu 18.04 server and then proceeded to snap install jenkins and I get java.security.InvalidAlgorithmParameterException: the trustAnchors parameter must be non-empty Although I've attempted lots of options from a google search this thing doesn't want to play well. Any help would be much appreciated.
[15:37] <dj_dragon> i need help in ziping a folder
[15:37] <dj_dragon> when i zip a folder using terminal the whole location is coming in the zip folder where i only need the folder to zip
[15:38] <albech> Hi all. Anyone know of a self-hosted service prefer PHP back-end HTML5 front where I from my phone/tablet can upload photos and attach a comment to it. It should be used for photo documentation on construction sites.
[15:38] <dj_dragon> for example when i use " zip -r /home/ubuntu/demo.zip /home/ubuntu/demo" i get the data zipped
[15:38] <albech> obviously running on ubuntu ;)
[15:38] <dj_dragon> but it is opened as "home->ubuntu->demo->"actual data"
[15:39] <moffa> dj_dragon: you want to use -j option
[15:40] <dj_dragon> thank you
[15:41] <dj_dragon> @moffa it worked
[15:41] <moffa> you're welcome
[15:41] <dj_dragon> i am unable to configure mail server is it the right place to ask question
[15:41] <dj_dragon> i need to send email from ubuntu terminal
[15:42] <dj_dragon> with attachement
[15:42] <TJ-> albech: do you mean something like NextCloud?
[15:43] <albech> TJ-: I am using NextCloud. Unfortunately its not really possible to attach a note to the image before uploading..
[15:43] <TJ-> albech: hmmm, no extensions that cover that?
[15:44] <albech> TJ-: not really.. looked through them several times.
[15:44] <albech> TJ-: was pretty surprised myself that it wasnt available. Must be lots of people requesting such feature
[15:46] <TJ-> albech: could you do it via the image's EXIF UserComment field?
[15:46] <albech> TJ-: could also be an app on the mobile device that edit the EXIF and just share to nextcloud
[15:46] <albech> TJ-: you were faster than me :)
[15:47] <TJ-> albech: then nextcloud-metadata >= 0.6 supports it; see this resolved issue https://github.com/gino0631/nextcloud-metadata/issues/7
[16:01] <peter22222> anybody knows how list all allowed mac addresses by iptables?
[16:03] <beaver> peter22222: use arptable
[16:04] <beaver> sorry, arptables*
[16:07] <timeless> rsyslogd: file '/dev/console': open error: Permission denied [v8.32.0 try http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2433 ]
[16:08] <timeless> rsyslogd is running as the user `syslog`, and permissions don't allow that: crw------- 1 root root 5, 1 Oct 23 16:30 /dev/console
[16:08] <timeless> anyone know offhand what's to blame? should something be setting ownership on /dev/console to the syslog user?
[16:16] <TJ-> peter22222: iptables doesn't act on layer 2 address (MAC). That is ebtables job
[16:17] <peter22222> ok thank you
[16:17] <peter22222> :-)
[16:17] <sruli> TJ-: just made a mail merge informing customers from a particular email address that "from now my emails should not be trusted without pgp signature" ... guess what - thunderbird mail merge addon does not sign emails cant find a way to do it ;-)
[16:17] <TJ-> timeless: why is rsyslog trying to connect to the console?
[16:18] <timeless> TJ-: dunno, on all of my systems it triggers lots of spam with that error message
[16:18] <TJ-> sruli: oh phoeeey! that means the internal logic of extensions isn't organised as a pipeline I guess
[16:18] <TJ-> timeless: which Ubuntu release is that?
[16:18] <timeless> i don't think i have any particularly custom config for rsyslog
[16:18] <timeless> bionic at least
[16:18] <timeless> i can check xenial...
[16:19] <sruli> TJ-: i guess not and i look like a right plonker to anyone who received the email - should i now send them all an email explaining that "the internal logic of extensions isn't organised as a pipeline" ?
[16:19] <timeless> xenial has this instead https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/XpkSsLNm/
[16:19] <TJ-> timeless: that's fine, I just wanted to compared. I have 18.04 here and don't see any report like that. where are you seeing it?
[16:20] <TJ-> sruli: no, you send them an email saying "next time I'll test on myself before I test it on you!"
[16:20] <sruli> TJ-: right i'll jusy say "plonker"
[16:21] <timeless> TJ-: like this https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ebxxd4o0/
[16:22] <timeless> i have >5000 lines of output that match that...
[16:23]  * timeless goes to find the source of rsyslog
[16:24] <timeless> https://github.com/rsyslog/rsyslog :-)
[16:28] <TJ-> timeless: does this report anything? grep -rn dev/console /etc/rsyslog.{conf,d/}
[16:28] <timeless> TJ-: yes:  /etc/rsyslog.d/90-google.conf:6:daemon,kern.* /dev/console
[16:28] <TJ-> timeless: I'm suspecting a drop-in file in /etc/rsyslog.d/
[16:28] <timeless> good call
[16:29] <TJ-> timeless: now find out where that comes from with "dpkg -S  /etc/rsyslog.d/90-google.conf "
[16:29] <rntz> I'm on Ubuntu 18.04. The texlive available from the standard Ubuntu repositories is from 2017. What's the nicest way for me to install texlive 2018?
[16:29] <timeless> gce-compute-image-packages: /etc/rsyslog.d/90-google.conf
[16:29]  * timeless nods
[16:29] <TJ-> timeless: there you go :)
[16:29] <timeless> right, so... are you saying google's configuration is wrong?
[16:29]  * timeless can send a patch to it
[16:29] <TJ-> timeless: of course! Google is always wrong!
[16:29]  * timeless just isn't sure what to do about it
[16:30] <timeless> tell me what to do to make it less wrong and i'm happy to :-)
[16:30] <TJ-> !bug
[16:32] <TJ-> timeless: looks like that package is created/managed by Canonical
[16:33] <sruli> TJ-: i am trying to use spwan and expect to get the user to enter passphrase for ssh key cant get it to work, only works for ssh password, any ideas?
[16:34] <blackflow> rntz: back port it from the cosmic horror.
[16:35] <rntz> ?
[16:36] <rntz> blackflow: sorry, what do you mean? is that a joke?
[16:37] <timeless> TJ-: sure, but I still don't know what's wrong/right. Should that package include a udev rule to change ownership of that file to syslog? Or should it point to a different path, or...?
[16:37] <timeless> My general preference is to provide is patches as opposed to just reporting a bug. Especially for something that hundreds of people should have already hit.
[16:37] <rntz> ... oh, I didn't even realize 18.10 was out. maybe upgrading to that will fix it.
[16:38] <anao> hello@all how to prevent KMS radeon reset gfxpayload from 1280x1024 to VGA on GRUB2??
[16:38] <blackflow> rntz: yup, not a joke :) that little cuttlefish is harboring terrible secrets.
[16:39] <blackflow> rntz: but anyway, I am not joking about backporting from it. seems the simplest thing to do, unless you wanna build from source manually.
[16:43] <ash_worksi> what is that program that pastes a video of your shell session? like amenesca or something?
[16:43] <TJ-> timeless: are you using the package on GCE ?
[16:44] <TJ-> timeless: I wonder if it unique to GCE, or just someone who doesn't fully understand rsyslog
[16:45] <timeless> i'm on gce
[16:48] <ash_worksi> ASCIINEMA
[16:49] <ash_worksi> that was driving me nuts
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> !info ttyrec | ash_worksi
[16:50] <tomreyn> also aview, hasciicam
[16:50] <tomreyn> oh wait i got it wrong
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> !info shelr | ash_worksi
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: and for full desktop recorders, kazam & recordmydesktop
[16:53] <SkyWay> guys, how can i improve the titlebars, maybe remove them? just as in 14.04, the windows used the system titlebar
[16:53] <eelstrebor> should i use bcache or Intel® Rapid Storage Technology?
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> SkyWay: whats your current ubuntu version?
[16:54] <SkyWay> 18.04 LTS lotuspsychje
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> SkyWay: install gnome-tweak-tool you can edit alot of things on there
[16:55] <rntz> ... okay, now I'm super confused. in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CosmicCuttlefish/ReleaseNotes it says that to upgrade on a desktop system you should 'Open the "Software & Updates" Setting in System Settings'. I cannot find 'System Settings', only 'Settings', and there is no "Software & Updates" setting.
[16:55] <ash_worksi> lotuspsychje: are you offering these libs because you believe them to be better than asciinema?
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> SkyWay: alternate you could try to tweak things with dconf-editor
[16:56] <SkyWay> lotuspsychje, installed it already, but still nothing about titlebars, only maximize, minimize things
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: i did not test them myself, try out yourself and judge please
[16:56] <SkyWay> lotuspsychje, i'll give dconf a try..
[16:57] <ash_worksi> what's the automatic paste thing? pasteterm or something? nterm maybe?
[16:57] <tomreyn> pastebinit
[16:57] <sruli> how can i install a package on 16.04 from 18.04 repo?
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> SkyWay: seems like there is a gnome extension for that too
[16:57] <SkyWay> ash_worksi, cat <file> | pastebinit
[16:58] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: or    | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:58] <SkyWay> ahh more configs and things :) maybe i'll just switch to kde .. that's an option
[16:59] <pragmaticenigma> sruli: The only way to do that is to upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04. You can't take packages from one version to another
[17:00] <sruli> aint go the time to upgrade now
[17:01] <nikolam> Any news on non working firefox, thunderbird on ubuntu LTS. I think now also update manager here sends automatic bug reports..
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> SkyWay: i wonder what would happen if you set titlebar font to 0?
[17:01] <SkyWay> :)) that would be a black hole :)) maybe it'll mean another 2 hours fixing it :))
[17:02] <ash_worksi> TERMBIN
[17:02] <ash_worksi> thanks
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> SkyWay: org/gnome/desktop/wm/preferences/titlebar-font
[17:02] <tomreyn> rntz: click on the power icon top right, then the preferences icon, then on "details" on the bottom, then "check for updates"
[17:02] <ash_worksi> I wonder if I can set termbin to use gist.github.com
[17:02] <SkyWay> font is 1
[17:02] <SkyWay> but the bar is there
[17:03] <tomreyn> rntz: and then on the window which opens, you can have it re-check for updates on the top left corner
[17:03] <TJ-> sruli: is it a GUI package, or console?
[17:03] <sruli> TJ-: console, encFS
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> SkyWay: how about another theme?
[17:04] <sruli> TJ-: on 16.04 its version 1.81 which is light years ago
[17:05] <SkyWay> changing the theme would give titlebars specific things as hiding them? not sure.. lotuspsychje
[17:05] <TJ-> sruli: how about creating an 18.04 LXD container? "lxc launch ubuntu:18.04 u1804; lxc exec u1804 /bin/bhas" then work in the container and transfer results out by, e.g., from the host "sudo cp /var/lib/lxd/containers/u1804/rootfs/root/myfile /tmp/"
[17:06] <TJ-> sruli: /bin/bhas => /bin/bash
[17:10] <ash_worksi> will it work to throw `script` into a wrapper function that sets up sed replacements when you finish?
[17:11] <timeless> TJ-: are you suggesting i look at similar canonical packages for other clouds?
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> SkyWay: how about this? https://securitronlinux.com/bejiitaswrath/how-to-make-the-title-bars-in-gnome-shell-much-thinner-than-the-default/
[17:13] <sruli> TJ-: dont really have experience with docker (only have 1 docker which i dont use much) dont really want to go there... will have to use old encfs until i upgrade
[17:14] <SkyWay> lotuspsychje, how to reload gtk ?
[17:14] <SkyWay> log-out log-in?
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> SkyWay: try logout back in yeah and make a backup of your stuff :p
[17:15] <timeless> TJ-: hmm... so... i /think/ what canonical/google are trying to do is ensure that kernel messages are sent to the vm's console so that the host of the vm has access to that data even if the user can't get the vm to properly power on https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/s0ifeTrL/
[17:16] <SkyWay> lotuspsychje, no, still not working .. switching to kde .. dong it..
[17:17] <SkyWay> never liked gnome..
[17:17] <coconut> Does someone know a site like linuxjourney.com , but then for bash scripts?
[17:17] <ash_worksi> coconut: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/
[17:18] <ash_worksi> coconut: http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/
[17:18] <coconut> thnx ash_worksi ! :)
[17:18] <ash_worksi> coconut: most people would advise you DO NOT use tldp.org
[17:19] <nikolam> Any news on non-wotking Firefox and Thunderbird in (x)Ubuntu LTS? ...
[17:19] <nikolam> non-working, e.g. crashing
[17:19] <timeless> nikolam: have you tried the snap?
[17:19] <nikolam> timeless, I won't answer, cause it's not related.
[17:20] <blackflow> oh boi
[17:20] <coconut> ash_worksi: why would i not?
[17:20] <ash_worksi> coconut: also, if you need help understanding something, you might want to go to #bash, but be warned that if you haven't read through wooledge or don't articulate your question very well, the sentient minotar greycat will be ruthless
[17:20] <PCatinean> How does one copy only directories from a dir to some random path?
[17:20] <PCatinean> So not taking independent files into consideration
[17:21] <EriC^^> i find #bash very helpful
[17:21] <ash_worksi> coconut: because it is written in such a lay-fashion that leads to many misrepresentations what what one should do to achieve a particular objective
[17:21] <ash_worksi> coconut: it = tldp.org
[17:21] <ash_worksi> EriC^^: me too. That doesn't undermine my cautionary warning
[17:22] <ash_worksi> or my repetative retativeness
[17:22] <EriC^^> da f.. put down the theasaurus dude
[17:22] <EriC^^> :D
[17:23] <EriC^^> PCatinean: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4073969/copy-folder-structure-sans-files-from-one-location-to-another
[17:24] <coconut> ok :)
[17:25] <PCatinean> EriC^^, not the folder structure, the actual directories and ignoring anything else
[17:26] <EriC^^> PCatinean: find -type d -exec cp -a {} /new/path \;
[17:26] <timeless> PCatinean: i can't understand what you want. do you want `rsync -a */ /path/to/destination`?
[17:27] <PCatinean> I think EriC^^ got it
[17:27] <PCatinean> find type directory and copy to new path
[17:27] <EriC^^> PCatinean: actually use -maxdepth 1 with it
[17:27] <PCatinean> EriC^^, where does the initial path go in?
[17:27] <PCatinean> since it's not the CWD
[17:28] <EriC^^> so, find /path/to/src -type d -maxdepth 1 -exec cp -a {} /path/to/dest \;
[17:30] <PCatinean> EriC^^, thanks a lot! I'm trying now
[17:30] <EriC^^> PCatinean: no problem
[17:41] <timeless> TJ-: hmm, oddly gce-compute-image-packages is `rc` as opposed to `ii`
[17:43] <TJ-> timeless: ahhh, so it has been removed by not purged; "apt purge gce-compute-image-packages" will remove config files also
[17:43] <sruli>  do you know if its possible to have a portable version of pass (i mean the data and keys should be portable without needing to add it to keyring)?
[17:44] <timeless> yeah
[17:44]  * timeless wonders why it was removed `/var/log/dpkg.log` doesn't mention it
[17:47] <timeless> hmm, cloud-init was removed: 2018-01-18 17:15:55 remove cloud-init:all 17.1-46-g7acc9e68-0ubuntu1~17.10.1 <none>
[18:17] <telamohn> damn it just happeend igen :S my desktop failed to recover from blank screen.
[18:17] <telamohn> Can i somehow disable the new powersaving features in 18.10? I don't necessarily need it on a stationary computer..
[18:48] <B1ack0p> how can i check if my connection is ipv4 or ipv6 ?
[18:49] <timeless> B1ack0p: `lsof`?
[18:50] <B1ack0p> no?
[18:52] <SwedeMike> B1ack0p: go to "http://test-ipv4.com" it'll tell you.
[19:20] <telamohn> Anybody know how the new 18.10 powersaving feature were implemented?
[19:21] <telamohn> Or how i can find what's changed?
[19:21] <telamohn> gotta find some way to revert/disable those feature instead of having to revert to 18.04
[19:21] <tomreyn> !releasenotes | telamohn
[19:22] <tomreyn> it may be listed there
[19:22] <telamohn> ubottu: thank you!
[19:22] <B1ack0p> SwedeMike: it told just ipv4
[19:23] <B1ack0p> ok it seems i dont have ipv6
[19:24] <telamohn> oh i mean thanks to tomreyn
[19:25] <tomreyn> telamohn: i'm sure ubottu appreciated it, too, though. ;)
[19:25] <TJ-> !cookie ubottu don't bet on it
[19:25] <telamohn> Hmm only part that mentions powersaving there is related to the new kernel..
[19:26] <TJ-> telamohn: is it the monitor powering down? that might be due to the desktop environment power settings
[19:27] <chris349> I installed Ubuntu on a machine with secure boot enabled. During the install Ubuntu asked me to make a password to register a certificate with the UEFI secure boot. Now I want to install another kernel module. How can I find the location of this certifcate, so I do not have to register another one with the UEFI secure boot?
[19:29] <telamohn> TJ-: nah, it resuming from blank, i've had about 50% success for now to wake the computer up. Or rather it always wakes and lock screen works, but when i unlock the screen lock then the desktop is just frozen, only sidebar and system-bar animation works at it should but interacting with it dosen't do anything.
[19:30] <telamohn> So i'm not suspecting faulty drivers/kernel. i'm guessing the issue is on a higher level.
[19:31] <TJ-> telamohn: so this happens after resuming from S3 suspend to RAM?
[19:32] <telamohn> tried purging and reinstalling ubuntu-desktop and gdm3 packages as well.
[19:32] <telamohn> S3?
[19:33] <telamohn> TJ-: what's s3?
[19:33] <TJ-> S3 is the 'sleep level' when everything gets powered off but the RAM
[19:34] <TJ-> telamohn: so the PC can wake up and pick up immediately where it suspended
[19:34] <telamohn> yes applications are all there but desktop is glitched.
[19:35] <telamohn> Or rather, it's a stationary computer, I don't suspend it to S3.
[19:35] <telamohn> So it's just the screen-powered off afaik.
[19:38] <telamohn> Once it gone into that glitched desktop state the screen goes to sleep after 3 minutes but i don't get the lock-screen, it's like ubuntu-desktop just completley stopped responding.
[19:41] <telamohn> just killed all gdm & gdm3 pocesses and did a `service gdm3 start` , got my desktop back again. let's see what happend next screen blank.
[19:41] <telamohn> *happens
[19:52] <sheen> Hi there
[19:52] <sheen> I have issues with an hardware Raid 1 Dell Perc 5i (LSI 8480E) and an Ubuntu based distro (Mint 19). Raid is healthy (checked in adapter firmware, on windows megaraid tool, and on linux with megacli), but I/O Error when mounting the drive. I've already done chkdsk /F 2 times under Windows, no errors. I don't get what is the problem. Thanks for your help.
[20:00] <Xatenev> hello
[20:00] <Xatenev> Ive installed XDM and it doesn't let me select my window manager
[20:00] <Xatenev> what can I do to use the window manager I want?
[20:03] <ioria> Xatenev, you probably need toset a ~/.xsession file
[20:04] <Xatenev> ioria: with what content? do you have a useful link?
[20:04] <Xatenev> ioria: i want to use i3
[20:05] <ioria> Xatenev, 1) set it as executable 2) use the i3 binary  or the command that starts it
[20:06] <ioria> Xatenev, nano ~/.xsession ; type in it   '  i3  ' (without the quotes; chmod 700 ~/.xsession
[20:07] <Xatenev> it worked
[20:07] <Xatenev> i typed ``exec i3`` in it though
[20:07] <ioria> ok
[20:07] <Xatenev> ioria: thanks that was easy :)
[20:07] <ioria> yep
[20:08] <Xatenev> bah,, i3 has an issue in virtualbox
[20:09] <Xatenev> when i go into fullscreen mode theres a padding on top and bottom :(
[20:12] <ioria> Xatenev, they say should be fixed in the 5.2 releases
[20:21] <Greyztar> is there any one way to make bash commands from all sessions appear in bash history,seems i only get from selected sessions or so
[20:22] <Greyztar> from 1 user
[20:23] <Xatenev> ioria: are you still around?
[20:23] <Xatenev> I have one more :P
[20:23] <ioria> shoot
[20:23] <Xatenev> it seems when I go into fullscreen mode, i3 doesn'T really recognize my correct screen height
[20:23] <Xatenev> when i type in xrandr i can see 1920x975 instead of the correct 1920x1080
[20:23] <ioria> Xatenev, known issue
[20:23] <Xatenev> oh
[20:23] <Xatenev> cool
[20:23] <Xatenev> what can I do? :P
[20:24] <Xatenev> is there even a fix yet?
[20:24] <ash_worksi> is there a way to start a script command using a prompt?
[20:24] <ioria> Xatenev, open a ticket on vb ? :þ
[20:24] <Xatenev> ioria: I thought its a known issue
[20:24] <Xatenev> ioria: shouldnt a ticket be open then already? .o
[20:24] <Xatenev> ioria: I thought i can maybe use some cool xrandr command to just use 1920x1080
[20:24] <Xatenev> even though i3 doesnt automatically recognize it
[20:25] <Xatenev> and then reload i3
[20:25] <ioria> Xatenev, we can try
[20:25] <Xatenev> xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1080 doesnt work atleast
[20:25] <Xatenev> :p
[20:26] <chriswitt> hello, i installed as snap (nextcloud) now i see all data it writes belongs to root. is this normal or did i create a security mess, having nextcloud-snap run as root?
[20:26] <ioria> Xatenev, ah
[20:27] <ioria> Xatenev, try   xrandr -d:0 --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1080
[20:29] <Xatenev> unrecognized option -d:0
[20:30] <ioria> Xatenev, xrandr --display :0 --output VGA1 --auto
[20:33] <Xatenev> ioria: that worked!
[20:33] <Xatenev> ioria: amazing
[20:33] <ioria> ok
[20:33] <Xatenev> ioria: thanks a lot
[20:33] <ioria> no prob
[20:37] <ash_worksi> is there a way to start a `script` command using a prompt?
[20:41] <ash_worksi> bu "using a prompt" I mean, the shell is forked with PS1 set to something I define
[20:42] <ash_worksi> by*
[20:44] <ash_worksi> I just want to have the `script` command start with PS1='$ '
[20:44] <ioria> ash_worksi, #bash
[20:45] <ash_worksi> I'm not really getting anywhere there
[20:47] <bmore> is the 18.04 -> 18.10 conversion worthwhile?
[20:47] <bmore> is there a changelog?
[20:47] <ioria> bmore, check the Release Notes
[20:48] <ioria> bmore, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CosmicCuttlefish/ReleaseNotes
[20:48] <bmore> ty :)
[20:48] <SuperLag> Are there any other good screenshot programs, besides Shutter, that'll let you markup/annotate an image, and give you the ability to upload to $SERVICE?
[20:48] <bmore> the default works well, SuperLag
[20:48] <SuperLag> bmore: the default?
[20:48] <ioria> SuperLag, yes, but i don't recall the name ,sy
[20:49] <bmore> i'd have to check name
[20:49] <bmore> for 18.04lts
[20:49] <bmore> but it comes std
[20:49] <bmore> lemme see
[20:49] <bmore> hold
[20:49] <bmore> well, i went with gnome
[20:49] <SuperLag> it looks like it's just called "Screenshot"
[20:49] <bmore> so mine's gnome screenshot
[20:49] <bmore> yes
[20:49] <SuperLag> I'm on 18.04 as well.
[20:49] <SuperLag> that takes a screenshot and nothing more
[20:50] <SuperLag> no markup, no annotation, no uploads
[20:50] <bmore> ah i see
[20:50] <bmore> not sure which app to recommend
[20:50] <bmore> i normally just shitpic or imgur
[20:51] <bmore> any 'paint' substitute should work
[20:51] <ioria> !info flameshot | SuperLag
[20:51] <bmore> there ya go
[20:51] <bmore> ;)
[20:51] <bmore> ioria is on it
[20:54] <ioria> SuperLag, It uploads images to imgur and returns the url; you can change color, size , etc.etc and make   annotations
[20:56] <bmore> the 18.10 update looks promising.
[20:56] <bmore> :)
[20:57] <bmore> openssl sold me
[20:57] <bmore> great addition
[20:57] <SuperLag> bmore: sold you, why?
[20:57] <SuperLag> openssl has been available for forever...
[20:57] <bmore> of course
[20:57] <SuperLag> what's different now?
[20:57] <bmore> and i have now
[20:58] <bmore> but upgraded, default
[20:58] <bmore> i like.
[20:58] <bmore> great to recommend.
[20:58] <bmore> that's all i meant.
[20:59] <bmore> tlsv1.3 by def
[20:59] <SuperLag> ah, that makes more sense
[20:59] <lordcirth> This great for checking your TLS btw: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/
[21:02] <azonenberg_work> Hi guys, what's the best way to report a security issue in an Ubuntu package that's fixed upstream but not backported?
[21:03] <ducasse> file a bug and mark it as a security issue
[21:03] <azonenberg_work> ducasse: file the bug where? launchpad isnt letting me file issues
[21:04] <azonenberg_work> seems like it wants me to use some ubuntu report-bug utility
[21:04] <azonenberg_work> but i run debian on my own box :)
[21:04] <azonenberg_work> do i really have to spin up an ubuntu VM just to file a ticket?
[21:04] <azonenberg_work> or is there a way to do it on launchpad
[21:05] <ducasse> there is a way to file it directly on launchpad, but i don't remember how - it's a bit involved
[21:05] <azonenberg_work> ah ok, i see - i have to find the sub-project under lp/ubuntu for the specific package
[21:05] <ducasse> try asking in #ubuntu-devel
[21:06] <azonenberg_work> yeah i figured it out
[21:07] <Sircle> how much disk space is needed for ubuntu and windows 10? I have a 250 g ssd. Any rough ratio guides?
[21:10] <Bashing-om> Sircle: 30 Gigs for ubuntu will do until you know better .
[21:14] <Sircle> Bashing-om,  how much for windows 10
[21:16] <Bashing-om> Sircle: Do not know your use case for Windows, can not advise .
[21:16] <ducasse> that's not something you should ask us, try ##windows
[21:17] <Sircle> Bashing-om,  usuall apps. office, etc
[21:18] <Bashing-om> Sircle: Still no Windows comment - ask in #windows channel :)
[21:23] <SuperLag> Sircle: are you dual booting? or putting Ubuntu in a VM on top of Windows?
[21:24] <SuperLag> Sircle: I guess I should say are you dual-booting or using VMs.
[21:27] <Sircle> SuperLag,  dual booting but if I can use windows inside a VM and play games and do all, I would choose that. I have m6700 laptop
[21:27] <Sircle> SuperLag,  I use ubuntu most of the time
[21:30] <Sircle> SuperLag,  what do you think?
[21:31] <Matt|home> hi .. im wondering why my home directory is mounted as noexec by default , if there's a specific purpose behind this, and if i would break anything by changing that?
[21:32] <EriC^^> Matt|home: could you paste "mount | grep /home" ?
[21:33] <Matt|home> mount | grep "home"
[21:33] <Matt|home> /home/.ecryptfs/matt/.Private on /home/matt type ecryptfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,ecryptfs_fnek_sig=9cb9d0bde3adae8e,ecryptfs_sig=0a6d6f7663a6c150,ecryptfs_cipher=aes,ecryptfs_key_bytes=16,ecryptfs_unlink_sigs)
[21:33] <EriC^^> Matt|home: doesn't look like it's noexec
[21:34] <EriC^^> where did you gather that?
[21:34] <Matt|home> hm. Eric : can you tell me why im running into an error while trying to run a bash script then?
[21:34] <Matt|home> one moment
[21:34] <Matt|home> output/debootstrap/debootstrap: 1305: output/debootstrap/debootstrap: cannot create /home/matt/Programming/GitProjects/ULA_ASSETS/test/UserLAnd-Assets-Kali/output/arm/rootfs/test-dev-null: Permission denied
[21:34] <Matt|home> E: Cannot install into target '/home/matt/Programming/GitProjects/ULA_ASSETS/test/UserLAnd-Assets-Kali/output/arm/rootfs' mounted with noexec or nodev
[21:34] <Matt|home> the second line
[21:34] <JimBuntu> !paste | Matt|home
[21:34] <Matt|home> oh sorry. it was 2 lines, my bad
[21:35] <JimBuntu> not a big deal, that's just the fastest way to mention it :-)
[21:35] <EriC^^> Matt|home: seems the nodev is causing it
[21:35] <Matt|home> i assumed 'mounted with noexec or nodev' meant i couldn't execute
[21:35] <Matt|home> oh
[21:35]  * Matt|home googles nodev
[21:36] <vedos> has anyone gotten Wickr Me to work on latest Ubuntu?
[21:40] <ikonia> why don't you just explain your problems
[21:40] <lordcirth> Yeah, what goes wrong when you try?
[21:45] <Sircle> SuperLag,  what do you think?
[21:45] <Sircle> Bashing-om,
[21:46] <ikonia> just ask the channel
[21:46] <ikonia> rather than individuals
[21:49] <lordcirth> Sircle, You can run Windows in a VM, but getting decent graphics performance inside a VM is not easy.
[22:05] <ntd> how come there is no i386 install media?
[22:05] <Sircle> lordcirth are there any ways?
[22:05] <ntd> TJ-, ping
[22:06] <lordcirth> ntd, because it's 2018 and if you have a 32bit computer you probably don't want to run gnome 3 on it anyways
[22:06] <Mathisen> Sircle, you had the answer for this already before in the windows channel. i said you need knowlage about gpu passthrough
[22:07] <lordcirth> ntd, Xubuntu still supports 32bit, and will actually run fast on one too: https://xubuntu.org/download
[22:07] <Sircle> Mathisen,  ok
[22:07] <ntd> ehm, tablets and other devices come with capable CPUs but 32-bit UEFI for some reason
[22:07] <MonsieurBon> On a fresh install of ubuntu I installed phpstorm and intellij ultimate with ubuntu make. This places .desktop files in .local/share/applications. They don't appear in the launcher though. How can I add them to the launcher?
[22:07] <lordcirth> ntd, ah, yes, there are a few such borked devices
[22:08] <ntd> actually, i only need i386 install media as rescue CD, then untar amd64 installation with 32-bit grub
[22:08] <ntd> but nooo
[22:09] <ntd> no i386 install media for xenial server either?
[22:10] <MonsieurBon> I was able to launch the applications and then add to favorites. I was under the impression that this happened automatically before.
[22:29] <ntd> TJ-, ping (about the kernel issue we discussed"
[23:10] <ebol4> anyone have any idea why, when using NetworkManager, if I have an ethernet connection to my LAN, and a wifi connection to my LAN, the ethernet connection will hang for 30+ seconds after I disconnect the wifi?
[23:11] <ebol4> to test this, i establish an ssh connection to the PC in question from another PC on the LAN, via the ethernet connection
[23:11] <ebol4> then I enable wifi on the PC, everything still works fine at this point. Then I disable wifi, and the SSH session hangs for about a minute
[23:11] <ebol4> but then it works fine after that
[23:12] <ebol4> just trying to figure out why established TCP connections on the ethernet interface are affected at all by the wifi connection going down
[23:20] <Platonides> ebol4: I would run route before and after enabling the wifi
[23:21] <ebol4> Platonides: the routes before the wifi is enabled show that ethernet is the primary route to the LAN, and after wifi is enabled, the wifi interface is the primary interface for getting to the LAN
[23:21] <ebol4> which makes sense
[23:22] <ebol4> but i have an established TCP connection to an IP on the ethernet interface
[23:22] <ebol4> so i'm not sure why packets would be traversing the wlan0 interface to get to that IP
[23:22] <ebol4> or exiting through the wlan0 interface, when the src IP is on the eth0 interface
[23:23] <ebol4> welp, apparently that is just a kernel thing, and there are fixes for it
[23:23] <ebol4> interesting
[23:24] <ebol4> and stupid
[23:24] <ryuo> I have noticed my USB printer keeps "disconnecting" in dmesg every time I send a print job to the CUPS server. is this normal?
[23:25] <vimar> Hi
[23:25] <vimar> Hi
[23:26] <ebol4> you can't say hi to yourself bud you gotta let someone else do that
[23:26] <ebol4> hello
[23:26] <vimar> Hi ebol4
[23:28] <vimar> nahe, I had some lag and typed before the list of nicks came up then was'nt sure if first hi was received by channel
[23:29] <Platonides> ebol4: I think it is initially trying (considering?) to send using the wlan interface
[23:29] <Platonides> as it's the primary
[23:29] <Platonides> which then stalls when lan is off
[23:30] <Platonides> as you correctly point out, it should use the eth one
[23:30] <ebol4> yeah apparently this is just a thing that happens... https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4420/reply-on-same-interface-as-incoming
[23:30] <Platonides> otherwise, what would it do if you had two interfaces on different networks in the same private range?
[23:31] <Platonides> send it to the wrong network?
[23:31] <ebol4> exactly
[23:31] <Platonides> it should be possible to make ethernet have higher priority than wifi
[23:31] <Platonides> that should fix your hang
[23:33] <Platonides> I think that SE post summarises it :)
[23:56] <moss> :|