[00:04] <drdo> Is there some sort of desktop version installer without all the gnome stuff?
[00:05] <moss> drdo: yeah, its called gentoo
[00:06] <moss> :)
[00:06] <drdo> moss: Yeah, I've been using gentoo for many years :P
[00:06] <drdo> I was being serious though
[00:07] <Cheez> there's kubuntu, xubuntu etc
[00:07] <Cheez> using kde and xfce respectively
[00:07] <drdo> Cheez: I want xmonadbuntu or stumpwmbuntu
[00:08] <drdo> :P
[00:09] <Cheez> not sure there are official flavours for that, you could go ubuntu server then set up your own WM as you wish
[00:09] <Cheez> or see if there are unofficial flavours with them
[00:10] <drdo> Cheez: Is ubuntu server just a minimal install?
[00:10] <Cheez> or just start with ubuntu desktop and go through the (maybe somewhat painful) process of apt-get removing all the gnome stuff and installing whatever you wish
[00:11] <Cheez> drdo: i don't know it well enough to answer that. I know it doesn't by default come with a desktop environment
[00:11] <Cheez> but I don't know what other differences it has
[00:14] <Bashing-om> drdo: http://xubuntu.org/news/introducing-xubuntu-core/ <- Mininal install with options ; https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/ .
[00:15] <drdo> Bashing-om: That still has xfce
[00:16] <Bashing-om> drdo: It 'can' have xfce . or whatever you want .. else there is also a minimal ' build your own ' ubuntu install .
[00:17] <Bashing-om> !minimal | drdo
[00:19] <drdo> ubottu: Oh cool, is it hard to navigate to from the main site?
[00:19] <tatertotz> drdo: ubuntu server is NOT simply just a minimal install of ubuntu desktop
[00:19] <drdo> Didn't find it
[00:20] <drdo> tatertotz: That's the impression I had
[00:22] <Bashing-om> drdo: I expect the D/L links in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD are valid .
[00:38] <szymonszymekv> hi! i just downloaded and installed ubuntu alongside windows 10 for the first time and i have a couple questions: why are my headphones not working while built in speakers in my computer monitor are working properely? besides that, ubuntu seems to be working slower (i mean graphics). dragging windows is laggy, scrolling through a webpage is laggy etc. i think something is not working properely can someone help me?
[00:41] <Bashing-om> szymonszymekv: Laptop ? optimus graphics ?
[00:42] <UBuxuBU> peace
[00:42] <szymonszymekv> not a laptop - desktop pc, and my graphics is nvidia gtx 750 ti
[00:43] <Bashing-om> szymonszymekv: Have you installed the nvidia proprietary driver ? ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia '
[00:45] <szymonszymekv> yes i have: this is the result https://pastebin.com/CRc4jmZ2
[00:47] <bdonnahue1> hey guys, that is the explode command? im tyring to find the equivalent in centos
[00:49] <szymonszymekv> okay so i just fixed the audio problem but i have no idea what to do with the graphics
[00:49] <Bashing-om> szymonszymekv: Why is nvidia-settings removed: " rc  nvidia-settings  " ? and what release is this ?
[00:52] <szymonszymekv> it's ubuntu 18.04
[00:52] <mattfly> hi
[00:53] <szymonszymekv> and i removed nvidia x server settings because i was just trying anything to fix it but i just reinstalled it
[00:56] <Bashing-om> szymonszymekv: Let's see what the graphic's manager has to say ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' . As we are looking for a reason why .
[00:57] <szymonszymekv> result: https://pastebin.com/gysaf9HM
[01:05] <Bashing-om> szymonszymekv: In that gpu-manager.log file I see no hints of any issues . At this point I do not know what else to advise to try and find the problem. Now above my skill set.
[01:05] <szymonszymekv> thanks for your time bashing
[01:05] <szymonszymekv> i'll keep looking for solution
[01:07] <Bashing-om> szymonszymekv: There are several threads on this issue in ubuntuforums.org . Might get some pointers there .
[01:22] <energizer> On this page, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pip/+changelog it says "Deleted in wily-proposed on 2018-01-22 (Reason: moved to release)". What does this mean?
[01:24] <energizer> er, my real question is, which version did this patch become default "debian/patches/set_user_default.patch: Default to --user on non virtualenv"
[01:26] <Bashing-om> !info python-pip xenial
[01:27] <energizer> Bashing-om: you're saying it happened in xenial?
[01:28] <Bashing-om> energizer: see the results ' apt changelog python-pip ' .
[01:31] <energizer> Bashing-om: "d/patches/set_user_default.patch: Port from Ubuntu." 2016-02-10. Does that mean the patch was rolled out to users on that day?
[01:33] <Bashing-om> energizer: Sorry, will take one more familiar with package management than I to answer that properly .
[01:34] <energizer> Bashing-om: no worries, thanks
[01:35] <Bashing-om> energizer: I will stay tuned in :) Inquiring minds want to know .
[01:58] <Wafficus> hi there, can anyone help me to copy and paste backup folder in Lubuntu?
[01:58] <Wafficus> its giving me permission denied for whatever reason
[01:58] <Wafficus> the flash drive has ext4 that was formatted with GParted
[02:08] <Wafficus> can anyone help me with a usb drive issue in lubuntu?
[02:09] <fairuz> Hi guys and ladies
[02:10] <fairuz> I'm on Ubuntu 18.04 and trying to allow users to login (ssh) using password
[02:10] <fairuz> So I uncomment PasswordAuthentication yes and restart ssh using service ssh restart
[02:11] <fairuz> But the user still can't login with error "Permission denied (publickey)."
[02:20] <rfm> fairuz, well,  PasswordAuthentication is on by default, so you shouldn't even have needed to uncomment it.  Is it possible the user has turned it off in their .ssh/ssh_config?   always useful to try "ssh -vvv <host>" in these cases to see what ssh is trying
[02:23] <fairuz> rfm I'm using DigitalOcean VPS and they disabled this by default
[02:23] <fairuz> the user is a freshly created user, I don't think it even has a .ssh folder yet
[02:23] <fairuz> Let me paste the -vvv output
[02:24] <myself> I hope you mean pastebin ;)
[02:25] <fairuz> of course :)
[02:25] <fairuz> https://pastebin.com/ept3QPGj
[02:27] <rfm> fairuz, DO might have compiled in the option so you can't change it.  Maybe purge their version and reinstall from the Ubuntu repos?
[02:28] <fairuz> rfm hm actually I have several Ubuntu servers before this and never have a problem
[02:28] <fairuz> but this is the first time I use Ubuntu 18
[02:28] <rfm> fairuz, the -vvv log definitely shows only publickey offered (see line 186, would mention "password")
[02:28] <fairuz> the other servers are on Ubuntu 14
[02:29] <rfm> fairuz, hmm.  maybe you need to restart sshd with "systemctl restart ssh.service?"   I thought service continued to work for compatiblity...
[02:29] <fairuz> ah service is deprecated now? Sorry
[02:31] <fairuz> ah people from #openssh told me that I modified the wrong config file
[02:31] <fairuz> I need to modify sshd_config instead of ssh_config
[02:32] <rfm> fairuz, yeah, that would do it
[02:35] <fairuz> thanks rfm
[02:35] <fairuz> btw, systemctl will replace service?
[03:12] <JeffATL> Hi - what's an app I can use to test webcam funtion on a netbook?
[03:13] <HipHop-openbox> Cheese
[03:13] <JeffATL> HipHop-openbox: thanks
[03:14] <HipHop-openbox> No problem could have googled that...
[03:15] <HipHop-openbox> Cheese has been around for  long time
[03:15] <JeffATL> yeah, but i felt like asking a freenode channel with many experts would give better quality results than random google hits.
[03:17] <JeffATL> well, i'll be danged - it Just Worked (tm)
[03:18] <sonicwind> guvcview is good also
[03:20] <HipHop-openbox> JeffATL, lol driver would be issue if it didn't work
[03:23] <HipHop-openbox> Just make sure you don't turn webcam off with function key otherwise you will be back asking why it stopped working
[03:27] <fuxxy> Running ubuntu 18.10 Desktop, xinit session instead of gnome. Is there a way to keep my machine from entering standby/hibernate?
[03:43] <gijoe3k> Hey Gang, quick question....i have 8gbs of ram. How big should my swap space be for 18.04?
[03:43] <gijoe3k> Back in the olden days(late 90s..early 2000s) it use to be the rule of thumb of doubling the size of your ram.....
[03:43] <gijoe3k> is that still true?
[03:45] <Bashing-om> gijoe3k: hybernation a factor ? then it is the amount of ram plus a bit .
[03:46] <gijoe3k> No, i wont be using hibernation. It seems that...from what i found on the net....hibernation is bad for ssd, which i have one installed.
[03:49] <Bashing-om> gijoe3k: depending on what you do - heavy duty -chances are a small swap will be just fine. 8 Gigs, swap will rarely be touched in every day use . A small swap is cheap insurance .
[03:50] <gijoe3k> gotcha, thanks @Bashing-om
[03:51] <JeffATL> gijoe3k: with 8GiB RAM having, say, 1GiB swap would give you a little bit of a "knee" to your performance dropoff if you somehow go nuts on there
[03:54] <JeffATL> bigger swap gives you diminishing returns if you go even more nuts because i assume you have just one drive - it'll just sit there and thrash. it might sort itself out eventually but the machine would basically be useless
[04:00] <nikolam> I now have a problem with firefox (LTS 18.04), it offers to reboot, every time it starts and after restarting again, in a loop. (these are 2 restarts in a loop): https://bpaste.net/show/23032c020c33
[04:04] <nikolam> Someone screwed up firefox or ubuntu itself lately, pretty badly
[04:06] <nikolam> and now when started FF aether crashes when opening tab or stays but can't open any web page and behaviour is erratic. thunderbird too crashing : https://bpaste.net/show/4cdf0fd43441
[04:07] <nikolam> Firefox developer, I also have installed in shared dir can't now open any remembered tabs and doesn't display anything in them.. and it's not shipped by ubuntu..
[04:07] <nikolam> Something's terribly wrong here from the day before..
[04:09] <nikolam> https://bpaste.net/show/dec5992a4bcd
[04:09] <nikolam> maybe because fro some reason it didn't enable swap?
[04:10] <nikolam> because it is commented out.. in /etc/fstab .. after update.. ??
[04:11] <nikolam> no it's not that. It's about zfs pool not being imported and swap is there (on ssd)
[04:14] <nikolam> and now with swap enabled, FF dev edition opens sessions and display web pages.. so, Firefox cou;dn't work, because swap partition were not mounted, because for some wird reason ZFS wasn't mounting pool where swap was (in a zfs block volume)
[04:19] <nikolam> So question is, why everything falls apart when swap is not there for any reason?
[04:19] <nikolam> And why sometimes ZFS in UBuntu doesn't mount pools.
[04:32] <AndyChow888> What's your output of "free"?
[04:47] <nikolam> AndyChow888, https://bpaste.net/show/a2d3309bff0f
[04:48] <nikolam> Now ff starts and works with swap.
[04:48] <nikolam> eve 0 B used on it.
[04:48] <AndyChow888> But, your swap shows 0B used.
[04:49] <nikolam> yeah I think I tweaked things to represent available RAM as related to ram+swap. I tied to defend from machine blocking every time Firefox fills the RAM on some Youtube videos playing..
[04:50] <nikolam> It didn't help. And behaves bad when swap is not there
[04:50] <nikolam> So sub-question is, Why Linux in general can't defend itself from App filling RAM and blocking whole machine
[04:51] <nikolam> (network continues, screen freezes and can't ssh into it) maybe it is constant need to overcommit?
[04:52] <AndyChow888> I don't know enough about your setup to answer. I don't know how you can tweak ram+swap to show up as ram.
[04:53] <AndyChow888> Maybe start atop, and see what's red.
[04:57] <HipHop-openbox> I set swap up with double the Arch Linux recommended amount
[04:58] <nikolam> i have put vm.overcommit_memory=2 in /etc/sysctl.conf and some other thing
[04:58] <AndyChow888> That does not confuse ram and swap. Those are two different things.
[04:58] <nikolam> but root problem is machine freezing when FF decides to fill the RAM
[05:01] <nikolam> App should die when trying to use too much RAM and otherwise deal itself with it, not hogging machine.
[05:02] <AndyChow888> Apps do get killed when using all the RAM. The core is dumped.
[05:02] <AndyChow888> So I'm not convinced by what you say.
[05:02] <HipHop-openbox> Google see if there is a way to kill app in ff settings
[05:03] <nikolam> AndyChow888, not as I see it. machine gohs when FF decides to eat all RAM after half or day on
[05:03] <AndyChow888> I think FF is more likely to saturate your IO or something else. Your swap file is not being used, by what you posted.
[05:04] <AndyChow888> Unused ram is wasted ram. Most of it is probably cached data.
[05:04] <nikolam> it happens on some video playing from youtube, afte say, day of active use of FF session.
[05:04] <HipHop-openbox> Probe ur ram
[05:04] <nikolam> All that ovecommit thing is a problem I think.
[05:04] <AndyChow888> Yeah. It also happens if you move files around a lot. It's cache, not active RAM.
[05:05] <nikolam> HipHop-openbox, like at one moment, there is 40% free of RAM, swap not used and in next moment machine freezes and can't ssh to it
[05:05] <nikolam> but routing and IP works...
[05:06] <HipHop-openbox> Probe ur cache . Or I'll take ur cash. :D
[05:06] <AndyChow888> In your free output, 1.5 G of ram was free. But 4.5 G was immediately available, if some app asked for it. The difference is cache, ie optimization, not actual use.
[05:07] <HipHop-openbox> Cache virtually eats hard drive space if I remember right
[05:07] <AndyChow888> Buffer/cache is just data that you might need, but isn't used. So if ever your cpu asks for it, it doesn't have to ask your hard-drive, the data is there. But if anyone needs the space, it's discarded.
[05:08] <AndyChow888> Cache is something that makes your computer faster.
[05:08] <nikolam> maybe oom killer should nail misbehaving app
[05:09] <nikolam> i better like FF to die , report bug on it's leaking and not needing to hard reboot machine
[05:09] <AndyChow888> nikolam, I tried. Your problem is not a memory leak. But whatever. I'm out.
[05:10] <HipHop-openbox> Memorized data written to hard drive in Windows not sure Linux our unix takes this approach
[05:10] <nikolam> AndyChow888, it sure shows RAM filled up before freezing
[05:11] <AndyChow888> monitor it with atop, and you'll see that your bottleneck is elsewhere.
[05:11] <nikolam> and it all starts FF playing some video after a day on. And dydtem chokes after FF goes crazy.
[05:11] <HipHop-openbox> Kill Firefox purge uninstall remove autoremove ..
[05:11] <nikolam> ok
[05:12] <HipHop-openbox> Copy bookmarks not sure will help 100%
[05:13] <HipHop-openbox> Anyone think a virus could do this in Linux?
[05:15] <nikolam> HipHop-openbox, not sure, unless it is coming through proprietary snaps , everything else is coming from source viewed by many eyeballs, binaries are from ubuntu distro, that's what distros are for.
[05:16] <HipHop-openbox> Talking about browsing internet porn
[05:17] <nikolam> You won't get public eyeballs on code on proprietary platforms, so unless proprietary binaries and untrusted sources binaries, fat chance. But Viruses on Linux os unix-like systems are possible.
[05:17] <nikolam> HipHop-openbox, it's youtube. I elliminate problems with rouge sites with Noscript/Privacy badger Firefox addons on such sites.
[05:18] <HipHop-openbox> Could always run clam can do from usb stick
[05:19] <nikolam> there are also rootkits. And spyware embedded in firmware. viruses ar not even an important part. that  is like Ms-windows mindset :P
[05:20] <AndyChow888> Linux is beyond secure, if you update regularly and don't expose yourself directly to the internet.
[05:20] <nikolam> HipHop-openbox, I know mostly what's the prob. oom killer not killing an app that isbihaves. and i set memory allocation to 50% of memory+swap. So when swap was not there, it failed to give RAm to app
[05:21] <nikolam> AndyChow888, I am very worried about proprietary 'snaps' . yes Isolated. But accessing user data , so..
[05:21] <nikolam> AndyChow888, what you think is important to see in atop
[05:21] <AndyChow888> What proprietary snaps?
[05:22] <AndyChow888> snaps aren't proprietary
[05:22] <AndyChow888> In atop, just wait for something to turn red. Blue is ok, red is a bottleneck.
[05:24] <HipHop-openbox> AndyChow888, what are these snaps? Never heard this reference before
[05:24] <nikolam> AndyChow888, meaning, proprietary software that is coming through snap
[05:25] <nikolam> HipHop-openbox, like container for untrusted apps on linux desktop on Ubuntu
[05:26] <nikolam> I see it again as ms-windows mindset , useful for third parties not trusting users with their source.
[05:26] <HipHop-openbox> Lol! This is why we have trusted servers. I wouldn't allow anyone to just add apps
[05:26] <nikolam> AndyChow888, on, waiting for red. yet I usually have just a few seconds before it fills RAm and freezes. I might better log something.
[05:27] <nikolam> HipHop-openbox, "trust" is overrated :P
[05:27] <HipHop-openbox> Not on Arch Linux PC..
[05:28] <HipHop-openbox> Rolling distros ppl don't like install
[05:28] <HipHop-openbox> Red yet
[05:29] <cfhowlett> Fide sed vide
[05:29] <HipHop-openbox> Anyone using a VPN getting past your policy?
[06:36] <bobdobbs> I'm using ubuntu 18.04. I've installed gulp and gulp-cli in a local project dir. If I invoke gulp I get 'command not found'. How can I successfully invoke gulp?
[06:38] <AndyChow888> bobdobbs, you need to add the path to your environment variables.
[06:38] <AndyChow888> From where you installed it, if you run ./gulp , does it work?
[06:40] <bobdobbs> AndyChow888: the gulp executable gets installed somewhere under node_modules. I'll try and find it to execute it directly
[06:41] <AndyChow888> To find it, you can use "locate". "locate gulp". Or "updatedb", and then "locate gulp", if your install is recent.
[06:41] <bobdobbs> yeah, if I do 'node ./node_modules/gulp-cli/bin/gulp' then it works
[06:42] <AndyChow888> Ok, so export that to your path.
[06:42] <AndyChow888> like "export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/my/program"
[06:42] <bobdobbs> but won't this path have to be different every time I create a project?
[06:42] <AndyChow888> Yes.
[06:43] <bobdobbs> I think I'd prefer a solution that doesn't rely on my changing the PATH variable every time I need to use a nodejs binary
[06:43] <AndyChow888> Then you need to use some sort of package manager.
[06:43] <bobdobbs> I use node tools often. Sometimes for throwaway tests.
[06:44] <AndyChow888> Or have a common path to your throwaway projects.
[06:44] <bobdobbs> I'm sure I've got this working on another machine without having to constantly edit the path, and without using a package manager
[06:44] <bobdobbs> I just wish I remember how I set it up
[06:45] <AndyChow888> Well, I'm open to hearing any other solution.
[06:45] <Sircle>  Is AData su650 ssd ok to buy?
[06:45] <MKUltraMagnus> i just installed @angular/cli to the global node_modules and it worked fine
[06:45] <MKUltraMagnus> i can call ng without doing anything else
[06:46] <bobdobbs> MKUltraMagnus: I tried a global intall of gulp/gulp-cli, but still had the path issue. But I'd prefer to run nodejs binaries from the local project anyway
[06:46] <guiverc> bobdobbs, alternatives could be `alias` (a shorthand way to run a command where part of path is defined), or `ln -s` with a command that executes it in /usr/local/bin (or equiv) - just ideas
[06:47] <MKUltraMagnus> did you install node / npm via https://github.com/nodesource/distributions ?
[06:47] <bobdobbs> guiverc: my preference would be to execute the locally-installed node binaries, rather than the global ones
[06:47] <MKUltraMagnus> so just edit your package.json commands to run them from that local node_modules folder then
[06:48] <bobdobbs> MKUltraMagnus: I installed from a PPA. Can't remember which one
[06:48] <MKUltraMagnus> 'gulp' './node_modules/bin/gulp
[06:48] <stevwills> sup
[06:48] <MKUltraMagnus> then you can npm run gulp [whatever]
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> Sircle: join ##hardware
[06:49] <bobdobbs> MKUltraMagnus: what do I need to read to figure out how to do that>
[06:49] <MKUltraMagnus> well npm run gulp -- --whatever if you need to pass something
[06:49] <MKUltraMagnus> just npm install [package name] --save dev
[06:49] <MKUltraMagnus> --save-dev
[06:49] <MKUltraMagnus> then edit the package.json scripts part to point to the bin inside node_modules
[06:50] <MKUltraMagnus> or if you just want to use something as a fire-and-forget without installing just run npx [package name] -- options_whatever_goes_here
[06:50] <MKUltraMagnus> if it's just occassional use and you don't need it to be a proper dependency
[06:51] <guiverc> bobdobbs, you could always use ~/bin instead of global /usr/lo..  (alias can be user defined)
[06:51] <MKUltraMagnus> ah looks like npx is the prefered way to do it anyway
[06:51] <MKUltraMagnus> so just npm install gulp --save-dev
[06:52] <MKUltraMagnus> then use npx gulp [whatever] and it should default to the installed version inside /node_modules
[07:00] <stevwills> hey
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> welcome stevwills
[07:01] <HipHop-openbox> AndyChow888, did you fix firefox problem..
[07:01] <AndyChow888> I've never had a firefox problem.
[07:02] <AndyChow888> Some guy that didn't understand ram caching data thought he did.
[07:03] <HipHop-openbox> AndyChow888, funny guy
[07:04] <HipHop-openbox> Well don't how he was administrator to a system
[07:04] <HipHop-openbox> Cache should have been easy to understand in Windows
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> HipHop-openbox: discussions in #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic please
[07:05] <HipHop-openbox> Ok
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> thank you
[07:11] <bobdobbs> I just realized something about adding gulp to my PATH using a relative path: even if I do this, I can't possibly anticipate all possible dependancies of all possible future projects. But surely node devs don't alter their PATH for every required path for every node package? What is the conventional way for handling this?
[07:12] <MKUltraMagnus> well normally you just install them to your global npm's node_modules folder with -g and forget about it
[07:13] <MKUltraMagnus> if they're project specific then they become a project dependency in that project's package.json where you can version them with a package-lock.json or shrinkwrap
[07:20] <bobdobbs> hmmm
[07:21] <bobdobbs> I did try to install gulp/gulp-cli globally, but still had the path issue. But even if I solved it for gulp, it'd apply to all the dependancies of whatever I'm using afaict
[07:22] <bobdobbs> I don't often use a package.json. So maybe if I figure out how to use it, I might start solving the problem.
[07:22] <bobdobbs> Like, I think I can see how to run gulp from 'scripts' in package.json. So I might start testing that approach
[07:53] <hudo> Hi, is it usual that the swap partition just fills but does not release unused "space" ? There is enough free RAM, swapiness is the defualt of 60
[07:57] <guiverc> hudo, the only case I can think of is a program malloc() ram, but never returns/releases it.. ie. bad/sloppy code.   good OS theory says to keep some ram available (in case a program mallocs) which can be reduced by changing swappiness...  i don't have an answer though; just thoughts
[08:12] <hudo> guiverc, np, maybe you have some documentation an SWAP behaviour, there is a lot about the behaviour of RAM but i found nothing especially about swap behaviour
[08:13] <hudo> since last reboot i just observed the swap partition is slowly but constantly filling and never releasing again some space
[08:15] <guiverc> this may help with swappiness (https://askubuntu.com/questions/103915/how-do-i-configure-swappiness, along with wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq) - but most of my thoughts were from OS theory & programming background
[08:15] <hudo> with vmstat however i saw the number for swpd decreasing sometimes a little ( very little ) but after a while it increased agin
[08:17] <tomreyn> hudo: i'd second guiverc, the issue is not with your (default) swap configuration, but with some software you run.
[08:17] <hudo> well as far as I know swappiness is about the RAM'S point of view, thats what I told, about RAM's behaviour there is docu, but what a baut the swap partition's point of view ?
[08:18] <tomreyn> the swp partition has no POV, it's just a dumb storage object, managed entirely by the kernel.
[08:18] <hudo> lol
[08:19] <hudo> but you know what I mean ?
[08:19] <tomreyn> yes
[08:19] <hudo> so the question is, do I have to take action when swap partition will be almost full ?
[08:19] <tomreyn> i have to head out though, sorry
[08:19] <hudo> and if yes, which action ?
[08:20] <hudo> I'm pretty sure that some applications have memory leaks ....
[08:21] <meowschwitz> in which case there's nothing you can do on kernel side
[08:24] <hudo> well the easiast action is to reboot, another way to "clear" swap partion requires that there is enough RAM  if swap is taken off
[08:26] <guiverc> hudo, you may find just logging out & back in corrects situation (rather than reboot; when your DEsktop kills all programs, the OS should free() up the malloc'd ram from processes that are being killed..)
[08:30] <hudo> there is a database running the machine, and the memory for the database is limited. I just connect sometimes via vnc to the machine.
[08:35] <meowschwitz> hudo: are you sure you arent looking at an artefact? do you have OOM process kills?
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> hudo: be carefull with vnc, its a big security risk these days
[08:37] <hudo> what do you mean with out-of-memory kills ? I do not kill processes, the system works fine at the moment ( till now )
[08:38] <hudo> lotuspsychje, I konw, its used in the lan.
[08:49] <WBILL> anybody run ubuntu on windows 10
[08:50] <WBILL> i know nightmare i just had a ?
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> !ubuwin | WBILL
[08:50] <WBILL> really i have to goto the windows forum..ughhh!!
[08:51] <WBILL> i rather ingest hydrochloric acid
[08:52] <tomreyn> hudo: does this return anything? dmesg | grep -A3 oom_kill
[08:52] <WBILL> ok ill try the ubuntu-on-windows
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> WBILL: cool down please, we use seperate channels for different topics
[08:52] <WBILL> lotus im kidding im a stand-up sit-down comic
[08:53] <WBILL> thanks for the info
[08:55] <tomreyn> hudo: if it does, this would suggest the kernel uses oom killer https://www.kernel.org/doc/gorman/html/understand/understand016.html to handle a low memory situation occurrring on your system, effectively killing 'random' (not really, but it may seem this way) processes.
[09:01] <hudo> tomreyn, there is no oom_kill remark in dmesg
[09:04] <tomreyn> hudo: so then the best thing to do is to watch the process list and the processes VSZ + RSS and the system wide vmstat over time.
[09:05] <tomreyn> the former can be seen in the output of 'ps auxw', the latter just requires running vmstat, or vmstat -s
[09:05] <tomreyn> most standard system monitoring utilities will capture these values for you.
[09:18] <hudo> tomreyn, with a script I see the sums of the /proc/pid/smaps and it turns out that nm-applet and mission-control are on top of the swapping list
[09:19] <hudo> what is the mission-control
[09:26] <tomreyn> hudo: there is telepathy-mission-control which is a component of telepathy: https://telepathy.freedesktop.org/about/
[09:26] <tomreyn> but there are also other softwares which use this name.
[09:38] <tomreyn> hudo: this said, if you dont use telepathy (the instant messenger integrated into ubuntu) then you can just uninstall it and everything else will keep working.
[09:45] <emanuelez> if I CTRL-ALT-F2 during installation and add/remove kernel modules (in order to make a usb wifi dongle work) should the results show up later in the installation process?
[09:45] <WBILL> anyone ever seen this issue whenever i run screen it gives me this error basically because it wont keep /run/screen dir there as a temp or other i guess
[09:46] <WBILL> Cannot make directory '/run/screen': Permission denied
[09:50] <WBILL> nm i found a good fix
[09:58] <Sircle> Question: If I install windows 10, do a dual boot after installing kubuntu 18x then. But I encrypt all the harddisk while doing this (the harddish that had windows and kubuntu on it), will I have any problems while running windows?  I think the decryption is done on the fly by kubuntu OS. If windows is runing, it will not be able to decrypt.
[10:00] <vlt> Sircle: What exactly does "encrypt all the harddisk" mean?
[10:00] <Sircle> vlt,  are you asking me coz you dont know?
[10:01] <vlt> Sircle: Yes. What did you use to do that?
[10:01] <Sircle> vlt,  kubuntu option
[10:01] <Sircle> while installing it
[10:01] <vlt> Sircle: LUKS based?
[10:01] <Sircle> whats luks?
[10:02] <the_drow> Does anyone know how to install the Displays app on a minimal Ubuntu installation?
[10:02] <vlt> Sircle: LUKS is a block layer encryption system. You encrypt a block device. In your case most propably the *partition* Ubuntu runs from.
[10:02] <vlt> Sircle: Windows shouldn't be affected.
[10:02] <Sircle> no. ful hdd
[10:03] <vlt> Sircle: Can you paste the output of `lsblk` to a (decent) pastebin?
[10:16] <Sircle> vlt,  look, I have not installed anything yet. I am asking as a precaution
[10:16] <Sircle> Question: If I install windows 10, do a dual boot after installing kubuntu 18x then. But I encrypt all the harddisk while doing this (the harddish that had windows and kubuntu on it), will I have any problems while running windows?  I think the decryption is done on the fly by kubuntu OS. If windows is runing, it will not be able to decrypt.
[10:20] <guiverc> Sircle, the encrypt process is done to a partition or device (eg. drive) and is destructive generally to anything previously there; thus if w10 was there it'll get lost. This is why vlt asked you to provide lsblk I think (list block devices), as it'd show if you had multiple partitions, .. either i've misunderstood what you're wanting, or you've made it unclear (eg. is w10 on a different drive?)
[10:23] <Sircle> guiverc,  I wrote "But I encrypt all the harddisk while doing this (the harddish that had windows and kubuntu on it)"
[10:23] <Sircle> guiverc,  vlt but now things are clear to me.
[10:23] <Sircle> guiverc,  vlt is there a way to encrypt full drive by another tool?
[10:23] <Sircle> so it will keep both windows and ubuntu runing?
[10:24] <Sircle> it can run both*
[10:24] <guiverc> Sircle, you'd generally have Ubuntu encrypted (by itself in partition(s)) , and have Windows with it's own encryption (different partitions), thus all drive is encrypted (by two mechanisms, not one; yes if you didn't use fastboot it may be possible still use both at the same time even if encrypted seperately)
[10:27] <Sircle> guiverc,  "use both at same time"? how?
[10:28] <Sircle> Secondly, is there an option to encrypt only the partiion and not the full drive while installing kubuntu?
[10:28] <guiverc> i was thinking of 'mount' (mounting) both partitions; so for example you could mount your windoze partition so you could read data from it whilst running Ubuntu... it was thinking in that way
[10:32] <Sircle> If I run windows 10 inside a vm with ubuntu as host. Can I play games and use gpu? I have dell M6700 laptop
[10:32] <Sircle>  ?
[10:35] <guiverc> Sircle, i can only answer generally; which is usually vm's don't have very good access to hardware, so if the game plays - it's not the same as if it had direct or real access.. i doubt it'll be what you're hoping for
[10:37] <Sircle> guiverc,  a 20% performance loss is ok. Should I excpet more?
[10:40] <vlt> Sircle: Even a "full disk encryption" (FDE) in Ubuntu doesn't actually what the name suggests. There always has to be an unencrypted part somewhere that does the decryption work. So, FDE means *one* encrypted *device* that in most cases is a whole disk but a disk partition (or equivalent).
[10:41] <vlt> Sircle: Sorry, I a word: In most cases is *not* a whole disk.
[10:43] <Sircle> k
[10:43] <guiverc> Sircle, i'm not good at this; but vm's are not intended for games but processing data, workloads (getting 20% would be more hopeful for video hardware & still a stretch probably...  vm is on real cpu; games offload to gpu & need direct access they don't have in a vm)
[10:45] <Sircle> k
[10:45] <EriC^^> Sircle: you could always use some windows encryption to encrypt windows, and use home dir encryption to keep it simple
[10:45] <EriC^^> *home dir encryption on ubuntu
[10:46] <EriC^^> Sircle: or you could possibly use luks and whatnot to encrypt ubuntu fully, there are guides online on setting up encryption manually in ubuntu and not via the installer's defaults
[10:49] <Sircle> EriC^^, ok
[10:49] <Sircle>  If I run windows 10 inside a vm with ubuntu as host. Can I play games and use gpu? I have dell M6700 laptop
[10:49] <Sircle>  ?
[10:50] <guiverc> Sircle, simple games like solitaire will play.  games that call the OS (windows) for functions will be fine, but games that expect direct hardware access don't have it (as not a real machine, a virtual one that speaks to the guest-OS)
[10:51] <frenda> the key '1' on keyboard of my laptop does not work. It does not type the nember "1", But Shift+1 is working, giving the exclamation mark on the screen; Is it a physical problem  in the keyboard?
[10:56] <guiverc> frenda, it'd mean it's not a mechanical one as the key words, but could be an electrical (circuit/logic) one inside the keyboard -- maybe try `xev` to see if you get reaction from it
[10:57] <guiverc> (i just tried, it wasn't the tool i was thinking of.. it may still help)
[10:57] <qwebirc48376> hello, I have an issue with ubuntu 18.04 kernel 4.18.18-041818-generic, laptop lenvo x1 carbon gen3. When I close the laptop lid, it does not do anything. does anyone have any insight into this?
[11:01] <waheedi> hi, when i boot using the bootable ubuntu installer to my macbook air machine I can’t seem to find a way to make the wifi adapter tick
[11:02] <waheedi> is there something I’m missing lshw shows the Network adapter, but it fails to turn it on somehow,
[11:04] <qwebirc48376> try sudo rfkill list
[11:04] <waheedi> i tried both 16.04 and 18.04 bootable versions, same thing
[11:04] <qwebirc48376> then sudo rfkill <adapter number> on
[11:04] <qwebirc48376> @waheedi check sudo rfkill list
[11:05] <waheedi> strangely enough, the same machine and the same bootable disk used to make the wifi work out of the box, but after upgrading to mojave, something strange happened
[11:05] <waheedi> iwconfig shows no wireless devices
[11:07] <ledeni> waheedi: what tell you 'lspci | grep Wireless'
[11:07] <waheedi> im currently on the mac side :)
[11:07] <frenda> guiverc: https://bpaste.net/show/1631bc677cec <-- mine
[11:07] <waheedi> the problem it has no ethernet device :|
[11:08] <waheedi> its like a horse without a tail
[11:09] <waheedi> ledeni: you want the device’s driver name?
[11:10] <waheedi> Broadcom 4360
[11:11] <waheedi> from mac : Broadcom BCM43xx
[11:11] <waheedi> Supported PHY modes 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac
[11:12] <waheedi> i noticed in the logs something wrong with a PHY mode
[11:13] <guiverc> frenda, i can't help in that way; I'd have to see if there was a reaction on each keystrike.. you should be able to see if data comes in when you press SHIFT-1 and 1 .. that was my hope (ie. hopefully prove if it's a keyboard issue, or it sending the wrong keycode by comparing with another keyboard on your machine etc...
[11:14] <waheedi> i found this artice https://askubuntu.com/questions/55868/installing-broadcom-wireless-drivers which seems to solve my issue, but how can i install bcmwl-kernel-source and firmware-b43-installer from source
[11:15] <waheedi> because i will have no apt connection
[11:15] <waheedi> found it https://askubuntu.com/questions/626642/how-to-install-broadcom-wireless-drivers-offline/626653#626653
[11:16] <ledeni> waheedi: if you want make work ubuntu i suggest buy usb adapter for Ethernet  and because you never got work wireless out of box  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[11:16] <waheedi> i think it is not a possible option ledeni
[11:16] <waheedi> very limited in budget :)
[11:18] <ledeni> waheedi: than read link -- no internet access --
[11:19] <waheedi> yeah funny :)
[11:38] <Sircle> I just installed windows 10 and then kubuntu 18.04. There is no grup option of kubuntu and the windows just run up. What should I do?
[11:40] <Sircle> o.O
[11:46] <Mathisen> Sircle, just to confirm you are booting and windows starts automaticly ?
[11:47] <Sircle> yes
[11:47] <Sircle> Mathisen,
[11:47] <Mathisen> and it is grub that is used as boot loader ? and there is only windows in the list ?
[11:48] <Sircle> no grub appearing
[11:48] <Mathisen> ok so where did you choose during install to install grub
[11:49] <Sircle> there was no such option ever seen. I used to installed older versions of kubuntu and no body ever asked me to install grub
[11:50] <Mathisen> and just to confirm again you did install windows FIRST and then kubuntu
[11:50] <Sircle> where is that option appearing any way?
[11:50] <Sircle> yes. windows 1st
[11:51] <Mathisen> ok boot the kubuntu install media as live and then report back here
[11:51] <Sircle> ok
[11:52] <guiverc> Sircle, it may have referred to it as Boot loader installation (and not grub on install program) - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing
[11:54] <Mathisen> Sircle, when you have the live running folow this > https://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[11:54] <Mathisen> please read it good so you dont mess upp. and if someone can confirm in here if os-prober is needed or not that would be good also
[11:55] <Sircle> Mathisen,  live cd booted
[11:55] <Sircle> guiverc,  ok
[11:55]  * Mathisen goes for coffee
[11:56] <Sircle> where is that option appearing any way?  to install grub?
[12:00] <guiverc> Sircle, the link I gave was only a fyi; first picture may have been something like what you saw (pic was old; colors will be different as it showed ubuntu's orange/brown, not kubuntu's blue.. & different tabs to modern installer. but probably just distracted so sorry
[12:01] <singhyuvraj122> hi
[12:01] <guiverc> Sircle, Mathisen provided a link that'd help you fix (without re-install), it was to boot live, enter terminal & enter commands - the 'grub-install /dev/sdX' step installs grub (where you change the X to your device/drive letter)
[12:03] <Sircle> guiverc,  allow me a minute and paste link again please
[12:06] <Sircle> guiverc, here
[12:06] <vlt> Sircle: https://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[12:06] <Sircle> ok
[12:08] <Sircle> I installed kubuntu in sda1
[12:08] <Mathisen> Sircle, if you post the output from lsblk to https://ptpb.pw/f and give uss link i can help better
[12:09] <Sircle> its mounted on mounted on ‘/media/kubuntu/73ccbec0-5096-46f4-9ec2-171060fc1012’
[12:09] <Sircle> ok Mathisen
[12:11] <mobile_c> how do i remove this repository  http://ppa.launchpad.net/flosoft/cross-apple/ubuntu
[12:11] <Sircle> Mathisen, uuid: 421df71f-5aa0-4f3e-8fb3-bb75b269848b
[12:12] <Mathisen> Sircle, type lsblk and copy everything to a pastebin site. then give link
[12:12] <Mathisen> !paste
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | mobile_c
[12:13] <Sircle> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dTpNtkH2G7/
[12:13] <Sircle> Mathisen, ^
[12:14] <Sircle> Mathisen,  what now?
[12:14] <mobile_c> so for example if i have
[12:14] <mobile_c> Err:8 http://ppa.launchpad.net/flosoft/cross-apple/ubuntu bionic Release
[12:14] <mobile_c> i would do
[12:14] <mobile_c> ppa-purge ppa:http://ppa.launchpad.net/flosoft/cross-apple/ubuntu
[12:14] <mobile_c> right?
[12:14] <Mathisen> Sircle, ok what partition is your kubuntu installl ? the 75gb partition ?
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> mobile_c: no, you need to original ppa format
[12:15] <Sircle> Mathisen,  no. ─sda1   8:1    0 112.8G  0 part /media/kubuntu/73ccbec0-5096-46f4-9ec2-171060fc1012
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> mobile_c: this one? ppa:flosoft/ppa
[12:16] <waheedi> this is what I’m seeing in my dmesg for the wifi PHY mode https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9qD5vYZCTC/
[12:16] <mobile_c> this? "You can update your system with unsupported packages from this untrusted PPA by adding ppa:flosoft/cross-apple ..."
[12:16] <waheedi> FOUND UNSUPPORTED PHY (Analog 12, Type 11 (AC), Revision 1)
[12:17] <Mathisen> Sircle, this dont make sense are you not booting a live media right now ?
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> mobile_c: i dont know wich ppa you added originally
[12:18] <Sircle> Mathisen,  I am on a live cd right now; yes
[12:18] <mobile_c> mobile_c@Mobile-C:~/git/gpp-2.4.1/test$ sudo ppa-purge ppa:flosoft/cross-apple Updating packages lists E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/flosoft/cross-apple/ubuntu bionic Release' does not have a Release file. Warning:  apt-get update failed for some reason
[12:18] <vlt> Sircle: Can you also paste `sudo blkid`, please?
[12:20] <zprd> hi all
[12:21] <Sircle> vlt,  Mathisen  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tZbGXwP8TY/
[12:21] <Mathisen> better :) ok so use the guide and use sda1 instead of sdXY and the do the install grub part on sda
[12:22] <zprd> 18.04.1 here, cannot resolve .local domain since upgrade. systemd-resolve on, NetworkManager disabled, avahi configured, nsswitch.conf should be ok, any hints?
[12:22] <Sircle> Mathisen,  which guide again?
[12:22] <Mathisen> Sircle, https://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[12:22] <Sircle> Mathisen,  vlt  so, sure that this is not a bios issue OR I dont need to install boot-repair?
[12:23] <mobile_c> even if i do sudo ppa-purge -o flosoft i still get E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/flosoft/cross-apple/ubuntu bionic Release' does not have a Release file.
[12:23] <zprd> ... and no /etc/resolve.conf link
[12:23] <Sircle> guiverc,  can you repeat?
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> mobile_c: no, you need to original ppa format
[12:26] <Sircle> Mathisen, vlt  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4fdwRXPKKd/
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> mobile_c: start from the website you got the ppa from?
[12:27] <Mathisen> mobile_c, you can just remove it from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[12:27] <Mathisen> mobile_c, it should be in there if you look
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> mobile_c: https://launchpad.net/~flosoft/+archive/ubuntu/cross-apple
[12:28] <devnull> Hey, Whenever i click "Shift" in my keyboard. The mouse clicks right-click. I don't find this shortcut in keyboard settings?
[12:28] <Mathisen> Sircle, are you booting from sda in bios ? and not sdb
[12:28] <vlt> Sircle: line 14.  Can you check you boot from sda?
[12:32] <devnull> actually it is "Menu" key
[12:36] <waheedi> ok im inside my bootable ubuntu and i have wifi :)
[12:36] <waheedi> voila
[12:36] <waheedi> how can i install hfsprogs on 18.04?
[12:37] <mobile_c> that works
[12:37] <waheedi> package not found
[12:37] <waheedi>  Unable to locate package hfsprogs
[12:38] <Sircle> Mathisen,  vlt  I have to reboot and check then. the SSD that has sda is set to primary is what i can assure though (in bios)
[12:39] <Sircle> Mathisen,  rebooting
[12:40] <coconut> Is reiserfs faster than ext4 fs for normal days work?
[12:45] <guiverc> coconut, reiserfs can only be processed by single core (so extra cores can be wasted if you have them), is great for tiny (4kb or less) files so may depends what you do (ie. if you watch no vids, don't listen to mp3 or what I'd consider normal sized files.. only handle tiny files maybe)
[12:45]  * vlt doubts that
[12:48] <coconut> ok :)
[12:52] <waheedi> :)
[12:52] <joop_> (:
[12:53] <joop_> Hey people, I have a question, I was hoping someone on here might be able to help me out.
[12:53] <waheedi> not anymore
[12:53] <joop_> why?
[12:54] <waheedi> How we can help if your question until this moment is not known to anyone
[12:55] <joop_> Haha, good one. Okay, so here's the deal:
[12:55] <joop_> I bought a couple of Dell Wyse thin clients (Z90DW, AMD G-T56N, 2GB DDR3, 4GB Flash) and I have installed Ubuntu Server 18.04.1 x64 on them.
[12:56] <joop_> Whenever I issue the "shutdown" command (or halt, or shutdown with any combination of parameters), the OS shuts down but the system doesn't power off.
[12:57] <ioria> joop_, sudo halt -p
[12:58] <joop_> I have tried that! Doesn't work unfortunately.
[12:58] <ioria> joop_, so got a problem
[12:58] <ioria> joop_, did you change the kernel parameters ?
[12:59] <waheedi> joop_: I assume you tried all different variants like poweroff halt, shutdown
[13:00] <joop_> waheedi, I did indeed
[13:00] <joop_> ioria, I have tried the parameters "noapic", "acpi=force", etcetera.
[13:00] <ioria> joop_,  cat /proc/cmdline
[13:01] <waheedi> what about sudo init 0
[13:01] <Mathisen> joop_, "sudo shutdown -h now" ?
[13:04] <joop_> ioria, BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-39-generic root=UUID=57a65ebe-e542-11e8-83b8-0080649dc389 ro quiet splash noapci
[13:05] <joop_> Mathisen, does not work either unfortunately.
[13:05] <ioria> joop_,  i'd start removing 'noacpi' and try again  (and why did you add it ?)
[13:06] <joop_> ioria, I added it because I couldn't poweroff my system and someone with the same problem told me that it worked for him. I forgot to remove it after it didn't work.
[13:06] <ioria> joop_,  remove it
[13:06] <joop_> Removed it, ran update-grub, system is rebooting now.
[13:08] <joop_> Just ran `halt -p`.
[13:09] <joop_> System is still not powering off.
[13:09] <waheedi> joop_: init 0
[13:09] <waheedi> ?
[13:10] <joop_> waheedi, system is booting now, i'll try it !
[13:18] <joop_> waheedi, still not working.
[13:18] <joop_> Had to manually power off the system with the power button.
[13:21] <Mathisen> joop_, min trying this.. just did some google-fu and some people has solved this, > Go to Settings > Power then turn off all Automatic Suspend options. Also choose Blank screen to  Never
[13:21] <joop_> I'm running ubuntu server without a DE. The system is running headless.
[13:22] <Mathisen> boot with acpi=off then
[13:22] <Mathisen> just for some testing here
[13:23] <joop_> Already tried that.
[13:23] <joop_> Unfortunately, to no avail.
[13:23] <Mathisen> ok. well i tried :) heh anyway seem there is people with same issue as you with the 18.04 version
[13:24] <joop_> Yeah, I noticed! A colleague of mine is running OpenBSD (FreeBSD wouldn't boot, graphical issues) and it works just fine.
[13:24] <waheedi> joop_: did it work?
[13:25] <joop_> waheedi, no, unfortunately it did not.
[13:26] <ioria> joop_,    systemd-halt  ?
[13:26] <joop_> The amd64-microcode package is installed too.
[13:27] <waheedi> meanwhile i damaged my disk partition table :)
[13:27] <waheedi> testdisk tricked me
[13:27] <joop_> ioria, I can try that. The thing is though, that when I attach a keyboard and a monitor to the system and I issue the "shutdown -h" command (or any of the aforementioned commands) my peripherals do turn off and the OS shuts down, but the problem persists.
[13:27] <joop_> waheedi, nothing beyond repair I hope?
[13:28] <waheedi> no but i have some precious data there, that was about to go to backup
[13:28] <joop_> ioria, the command systemd-halt does not exist on my system.
[13:28] <joop_> waheedi hmmm...
[13:30] <ioria> joop_,    sy,   systemctl halt
[13:30] <ioria> joop_,   with sudo
[13:30] <joop_> ioria, thats doing something.
[13:31] <joop_> ioria: going to check in a minute if it worked.
[13:32] <joop_> ioria, the problem persists.
[13:33] <waheedi> what was the device again joop_ ?
[13:33] <joop_> I'm off for lunch though. Can't get my head around this.
[13:33] <joop_> waheedi, Dell Wyse thin client Z90DW
[13:33] <ioria> joop_,   ok, might be useful a bios settings checkup
[13:34] <joop_> Went through the BIOS, not much that can be changed though. Also have a unit with an updated bios - no difference.
[13:43] <ioria> joop_, can you paste the ' lsmod ' output  ?
[13:47] <ioria> joop_, i think is something related to your cpu ( AMD G-T56N )
[13:49] <joop_> Module                  Size  Used by
[13:49] <joop_> nls_iso8859_1          16384  1
[13:49] <joop_> kvm_amd                86016  0
[13:49] <joop_> kvm                   598016  1 kvm_amd
[13:49] <joop_> irqbypass              16384  1 kvm
[13:49] <joop_> shpchp                 36864  0
[13:56] <Sircle> Mathisen,  vlt  solved with boot repair
[13:59] <CookieM> interesting, did anybody know about it https://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/canonical-extends-ubuntu-18.04-lts-linux-support-to-10-years.html  ?
[14:00] <joop_> Hi.
[14:01] <Sircle> which jdk (java dev kit) to use in 18.04? Whats the latest?
[14:01] <joop_> Here's my lsmod output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kV9NfCWxmj/
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> CookieM: #ubuntu-discuss please
[14:04] <joop_> I'm sorry, I'm new to IRC and I'm making quite a mess of it.
[14:06] <joop_> Sircle, would just go with default-jdk (points to openjdk-11-jdk)
[14:10] <gregf_> hi
[14:10] <gregf_> im trying to clear out space from /boot as apt-get install is failing
[14:10] <Sircle> joop_,  hm
[14:11] <gregf_> but when i run the command, i get an error.. you have unmet deps. please run apt-get -f install
[14:11] <gregf_> and if i run apt-get -f install i get the space error :/
[14:11] <gregf_> im literally going in circles :D
[14:12] <EriC^> gregf_: manually rm some unused initrd
[14:12] <Sircle> joop_,  I guess I already put the jdk11 on installation
[14:12] <Sircle> joop_,  same thing or any thing differs in upgrading etc?
[14:12] <Sircle> joop_,  or path etc
[14:12] <gregf_> EriC^: Thanks, let me try that.. only initrd right?
[14:13] <gregf_> also, the ones not linked to my currently used kernel only?
[14:14] <EriC^> gregf_: yeah
[14:14] <gregf_> ok, Thanks!
[14:15] <gregf_> also, if i press the tab key it switches to the other terminal window and tab(autocomplete) does not work :|
[14:24] <Sircle> can I encrypt kubuntu partition after its installation?
[14:24] <vlt> gregf_: "it"?
[14:24] <vlt> Sircle: Possible but a bit of work.
[14:25] <Sircle> vlt,  so no  builtin options?
[14:25] <vlt> Sircle: That's not exactly what I said.
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:28] <CalotteMortuaire> howdy c:
[14:30] <newbieG> I have one confussion why linux uses *open* insted of *create* ... Suppose I have a dir named *abc* if I tries to create a file then I gives me erroy saying cannot open file *abc* : Is a directory
[14:30] <newbieG> Might be dumb question
[14:32] <EriC^> newbieG: are you talking about c programming?
[14:36] <newbieG> EriC^, Yes but in general it also gives almost the same error which says error opening file *abc* : File exist
[14:37] <EriC^> newbieG: which command are you running to get that error?
[14:38] <newbieG> EriC^, I am creating file using GUI using file manager *pcmanfm*
[14:41] <EriC^> newbieG: try in the terminal, "mkdir /path/to/dir"
[14:43] <newbieG> EriC^, Ok got you point ... C an you explain why this happens with C
[14:43] <EriC^> newbieG: what code are you running?
[14:45] <newbieG> EriC^, https://paste.pound-python.org/show/Fidm7PFNaZ2ZmQlWScRV/
[14:50] <EriC^> newbieG: there's nothing about creating any file there
[14:53] <newbieG> EriC^, I am compiling it with "gcc test.c -o test
[14:53] <EriC^> how are you getting "error opening file *abc* : File exist" ?
[14:58] <EriC^> newbieG: the code compiles fine here and seems to run
[14:58] <Cheez> compiles and runs?! ship it!
[14:58] <joop_> Cheez, That's the spirit lol
[14:59] <joop_> Does anyone know how to hide the "has joined" and "has quit" messages by the way?
[14:59] <surrounder> depends on the client
[14:59] <redlegion> oh god, anyone know how to live with resolved/resolvectl?
[14:59] <redlegion> it's not playing nicely at all with 18.10/openvpn
[15:00] <surrounder> joop_: in weechat I can toggle those messages through alt+=
[15:01] <joop_> redlegion, what is the problem? i use them.
[15:01] <joop_> surrounder, I use weechat though that did not work.
[15:02] <redlegion> joop_: DNS doesn't work after connecting to my openvpn server
[15:02] <redlegion> at all
[15:02] <surrounder> joop_: hmm might be an option on my side then.. ah well, here's also an option from their faq: https://weechat.org/files/doc/devel/weechat_faq.en.html#filter_irc_join_part_quit
[15:03] <joop_> redlegion that is a pretty specific problem though, don't know how DNS is handled through VPNs
[15:03] <newbieG> EriC^, I am actually getting this --> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/7.3.0/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot open output file test: Is a directory .... collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> redlegion: doublecheck settings here: https://linuxconfig.org/simple-openvpn-connection-setup-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[15:03] <joop_> surrounder, Thanks, I'll check it out.
[15:03] <surrounder> joop_: ah apparently alt+= toggles all filters, so it should work if you have set some
[15:03] <redlegion> joop_: i can alter configs on either side, client or server, and it's absolutely narrowed down to a systemd issue
[15:04] <EriC^> newbieG: seems like there's already a dir called test there, try a different name or "rmdir test" then run it again
[15:04] <waheedi> can i copy specific part of whole disk, like the first xGB?
[15:04] <waheedi> its an SSD drive
[15:05] <joop_> surrounder, yeah! Thanks! works perfectly.
[15:05] <surrounder> great :)
[15:05] <lordcirth> waheedi, yes, but the result won't be usable.  What are you trying to do?
[15:06] <newbieG> EriC^, Yes I know that but please see the word  its *open* not *create*
[15:06] <joop_> redlegion, isn't there something going on with netplan? /etc/netplan/...
[15:06] <waheedi> lordcirth: I know the first XGB has my data, but the disk partition went made, after a testdisk cmd went worng
[15:06] <waheedi> went mad*
[15:06] <vlt> waheedi: It totally wil be usable. You can use tools like dd, ddrescue or just head ...
[15:06] <waheedi> vlt: do you think so?
[15:06] <lordcirth> waheedi, you deleted a partition and you want to recover it?
[15:06] <joop_> waheedi that is one savage way of recovering data, please keep us posted on how that goes. I'm curious.
[15:07] <vlt> waheedi: Sounds like !xy to me.
[15:07] <waheedi> lordcirth: all the partition table went wrong, and the partition area is still intact
[15:07] <EriC^> newbieG: yes it expects a to open a file, and it's saying can't open cause it's a directory
[15:07] <ioria> joop_, maybe the problem is with the radeon module; con you boot with the nomodeset parameter ?
[15:07] <waheedi> partitions*
[15:07] <vlt> waheedi: You could fix your partition table or just loop offset mount.
[15:07] <lordcirth> waheedi, ok, then first you should back up the whole drive using dd, because anything you do to fix it could go wrong
[15:07] <redlegion> joop_: could be NetworkManager in the background, though I'm not using the GUI to connect to my OpenVPN
[15:08] <lordcirth> Then you could recreate your partition table + partitions and run fsck
[15:08] <waheedi> lordcirth: its already wrong :)
[15:08] <joop_> ioria, that might be. I'll add it.
[15:08] <redlegion> though it's hilarious that the same problem happens no matter how i connect
[15:08] <vlt> waheedi: But you could fuck up your data in the process.
[15:08] <waheedi> vlt: i have no backup of the partition table anywhere, but in my brain, and I can't access that
[15:08] <joop_> ioria, is it normal that the reboot command works just fine? I mean, all is well until the OS requests a poweroff of the system
[15:09] <waheedi> vlt: i dont think data will be touched,
[15:09] <ioria> joop_, nope,it's not normal
[15:09] <lordcirth> waheedi, that's why you backup the drive, then try :)
[15:09] <vlt> waheedi: Neither did you think you would destroy your partition table.
[15:09] <lordcirth> If you recreate the partition in exactly the same place, it should work.
[15:09] <waheedi> lol :)
[15:10] <joop_> What is the difference between GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX?
[15:10] <vlt> waheedi: loop mounting should be enough to use the file system.
[15:10] <lordcirth> joop_, 'default' gets applied only to normal boot entries, the other gets applied to all, including recovery/fallback ones
[15:10] <waheedi> i had a pastebin yesterday of it
[15:11] <waheedi> where can i go and seach history of pastebin
[15:11] <waheedi> ?
[15:11] <lordcirth> waheedi, did you send the paste to someone here?
[15:11] <waheedi> no on #mac
[15:11] <joop_> lordcirth, thanks, that's the best explanation I've read so far.
[15:12] <ioria> joop_, if nomodeset fails, try  modprobe.blacklist=radeon
[15:12] <lordcirth> waheedi, the ##mac topic doesn't mention logs, but you could ask on there if someone still has your message in their history.
[15:12] <qwebirc36781> seems like I am in the right spot :)
[15:12] <waheedi> lordcirth: I think that will help
[15:12] <joop_> ioria i'll try that. It's shutting down now with the nomodeset parameter, I'll walk up to the system in a minute.
[15:12] <waheedi> vlt: loop mounting with variable size?
[15:13] <qwebirc36781> Hey, I am having trouble installing the current Ubuntu LTS on an older laptop or rather getting the graphics up and running. Could you point me in the right direction on where to get help? I searched around but I am unsure, askUbuntu for example seems to be for very specific questions.
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc36781: wich graphics card chipset?
[15:15] <lordcirth> qwebirc36781, what exactly happens when you install?
[15:15] <qwebirc36781> nvidia gt 130m, I can also provide the steps taken so far and the error messages that I found
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc36781: ubuntu-drivers list to see what your system reccomends for driver
[15:17] <spedex> Well I didn't get the gdm3 to work with Nvidia so might be the same issue. I just switched to lightdm.
[15:17] <joop_> spedex: That's odd, I found on my workstation with an R9 290 that lightdm was really sluggish and the only thing that worked was gdm3
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> spedex: with the correct graphics drivers, gdm3 should work fine
[15:18] <waheedi> found it :)
[15:18] <waheedi> https://pastebin.com/raw/FpWGAYS1
[15:18] <spedex> ok have to take a look then at some point
[15:19] <lordcirth> waheedi, so, this is a mac-formatted drive that you are trying to fix from Ubuntu?
[15:19] <waheedi> the current fdisk https://pastebin.com/J8pBWnKU
[15:19] <waheedi> lordcirth: yes
[15:19] <BluesKaj> qwebirc36781, is this a hybrid graphics system aka Optimus?
[15:19] <eugenio> hi all, how can I mount a resierfs in ubuntu 18.04? mount -t reiserfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt/ return me among the things wrong fs type, any hints?
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> waheedi: to fix a mac drive you need to use the mac disktools
[15:20] <lordcirth> waheedi, I would backup the disk image using dd, then use mac tools, yeah
[15:20] <waheedi> lotuspsychje: disktools like diskutil ?
[15:20] <qwebirc36781> After the purpleish loading screen my screen shines black, I removed the splash and quite boot parameters and found out that the problem happened after the line *fb: switching to nouveaufb from vesa VGA* so I tried the boot parameter noveau.modeset=0 (quite a lot of googeling happened in between) this allowed me to install but the resolution was fixed to 640x... (second part coming right up)
[15:21] <lordcirth> eugenio, do you have reiser4progs installed?
[15:21] <lordcirth> er, reiserfsprogs probably
[15:21] <eugenio> lordcirth: yes
[15:21] <lordcirth> eugenio, reiserfsprogs too?
[15:21] <yetifur> !s repositories
[15:21] <yetifur> !s ubuntu repository
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> waheedi: yes, you can boot into the mac tools to format your disk
[15:22] <yetifur> !s repository add
[15:22] <lordcirth> yetifur, what are you trying to do?
[15:22] <eugenio> lordcirth: yes reiserfsprogs too
[15:22] <waheedi> lotuspsychje: if I format from there, I think I won't be able to recover any data?
[15:22] <yetifur> lordcirth: add multiverse and universe repositories
[15:22] <lordcirth> eugenio, could you pastebin the full output of that command?
[15:22] <lordcirth> !paste
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> waheedi: ah you want to recover lost data first?
[15:23] <lordcirth> yetifur, https://askubuntu.com/questions/148638/how-do-i-enable-the-universe-repository
[15:23] <waheedi> oh yeah
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> !info testdisk | waheedi sudo photorec after install
[15:25] <yetifur> lordcirth: ty. I reckon the bot query is wrong.
[15:26] <waheedi> lotuspsychje: i was on testdisk, trying to recover an issue caused by mac installation on a second partition, now after starting testdisk, i had confirmed something I should have not confirmed
[15:26] <waheedi> so we are now after testdisk stage lotuspsychje
[15:26] <waheedi> testdisk is not seeing anything
[15:26] <eugenio> lordcirth: https://pastebin.com/xBDMAFB9 this is the first command I gave to check the file system
[15:27] <waheedi> mean while i started gpart on the disk, have been spinning for the past hour
[15:27] <qwebirc36781> according to the Internet boot-parameters are a suboptimal solution so I installed the legacy nvidia-driver that ubuntu suggests via apt but after a restart a similar problem as before exists (black screen). This time parameters like nomodeset do not seem to help and even the recovery mode accessed over grub ends in a blackscreen after a seemingly constant amount of time (about 3 seconds). So I am currently unable to access my b
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> waheedi: to recover data you need to start photorec
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc36781: wich driver are you currently on?
[15:29] <waheedi> yeah i would start with ddrescue or dd first
[15:29] <joop_> ioria: nomodeset does not work.
[15:30] <lordcirth> eugenio, https://forums.unraid.net/topic/56093-unraid-unmountable-disk-format-was-reiserfs/
[15:30] <lordcirth> Seems this is a known bug
[15:30] <qwebirc36781> I suppose 340.107 (nvidia legacy - ubuntu 18.04) if it was installed correctly (my process was: sudo apt get install nvidia-340 and then a restart)
[15:30] <lordcirth> eugenio, what Ubuntu version and reiserfsprogs version?
[15:31] <lordcirth> qwebirc36781, *apt-get I hope?
[15:32] <qwebirc36781> sorry typo!  sudo apt install nvidia-340
[15:32] <eugenio> lordcirth: ubuntu 18.04 and reiserfsprogs is already the newest version (1:3.6.27-2)
[15:32] <lordcirth> qwebirc36781, run 'nvidia-smi' and see if it works
[15:33] <lordcirth> eugenio, was the filesystem created with an earlier version, though?
[15:33] <lordcirth> Or last mounted by an earlier version?
[15:35] <eugenio> lordcirth: right, it was created with a previous version, actually I created such old HD with a Debian lenny distribution many years ago, now I took the HD and I'm tring to mount it on my desktop (ubuntu 18.04)
[15:35] <qwebirc36781> I currently cant, even the rescue mode (accessed via grub) fades to black screen after some seconds. Would you suggest fixing this via a live cd or a reinstall?
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc36781: try to fallback to nouveau with: sudo apt purge nvidia* to get in your system
[15:36] <lordcirth> eugenio, long shot - you could make a VM of an older Debian / Ubuntu, attach the old drive, see if it can mount and copy the data off
[15:39] <waheedi> can i see what gpart is doing?
[15:40] <qwebirc36781> I guess I can't. Normal startup leads to blackscreen and using the recovery mode via advanced boot options in grub also leads to a blackscreen.
[15:42] <spedex> qwebirc36781 I had the exact same issue and I fixed it by switching to lightdm
[15:43] <waheedi> i know what gpart is doing :)
[15:43] <waheedi> lol it was a little bit tricky, i watched the /proc/ID/io
[15:43] <waheedi> and from how much rchars there was I know it already passed 300GB
[15:44] <waheedi> and increasing
[15:47] <qwebirc36781> lotuspsychje can I do this from a live CD?
[15:48] <waheedi> now on the hopes that gpart will guess the partition table after my smart enter act
[15:49] <cedxa> I cant find a way to check disk storage on the internet
[15:52] <eugenio> lordcirth: I see your point, this can be a way for sure. In the meanwhile (I have to find a HD where install debian lenny..) I tried gparted, and I'm able to see 4 partition in that reiser HD, one partition is damaged, but I can access the data of the other three. Unfortunately I cannot copy all the data (folders) I see due to permission problems, hints?
[15:52] <lordcirth> eugenio, use a VM for lenny
[15:53] <eugenio> lordcirth: do you mean here on my laptop?
[15:53] <eugenio> sorry desktop
[15:54] <qwebirc36781> spedex Im gonna give it a shot if nothing else comes up, with no liveCD solution I am going to have to reinstall anyway :(
[15:56] <lordcirth> eugenio, whatever machine you have.  Just install Virtualbox, install lenny on a virtual disk, then attach the old drive to it as a second drive.
[15:57] <waheedi> 3956192291228 bits, almost there
[15:59] <ash_worksi> so ugh, I really don't want a ttyrecorder... I want a tty logger really. I just want to end up with a file that shows both the input (with PS) and output
[16:00] <ash_worksi> it would be nice if there were features that could scrap the last command though
[16:01] <EriC^^> ash_worksi: why aren't you just using "script" ?
[16:01] <ash_worksi> EriC^^: becuause script has control characters all over it so that it can actually play it back in it's own env
[16:02] <ash_worksi> and you can try to strip it, but I've run into problems using a myriad of solutions provided by the internet
[16:02] <ash_worksi> the point is, script isn't intended to be a log, it's intended to be a recorder.
[16:03] <ash_worksi> yes, I can cat a typescript and it won't show the control characters; but I haven't found a way to use that to produce a clean log programmatically
[16:04] <EriC^^> there's "script --timing=/dev/null" should get rid of the timing, but there's still the terminal codes like colors and stuff
[16:04] <ash_worksi> indeed
[16:04] <ash_worksi> and if you press "up" and stuff
[16:05] <ash_worksi> or ^C
[16:05] <EriC^^> yeah true
[16:05] <ash_worksi> really `bash | tee -a log` would be all I need if I didn't want input
[16:05] <ash_worksi> but I want input
[16:06] <mattfly> I upgrade to kernel 4.19.2 and nvidia propretary drivers from the ppa:graphics pacakge 410. But the driver is not loaded or running because when i run nvidia-settings i get "
[16:06] <mattfly> ERROR: NVIDIA driver is not loaded
[16:06] <mattfly> ERROR: Unable to load info from any available system
[16:06] <mattfly> and hi
[16:06] <mattfly> i have to test this because i want to test if hibernation will work this way
[16:07] <mattfly> i tried running nvidia xconfig but all it does is mess my resolution and that error still happens..... why isnt the driver running?  shouldn't I modprob something?
[16:09] <ash_worksi> EriC^^: `tee >(bash) | tee -a log` sorta works
[16:10] <ash_worksi> with some drawbacks
[16:11] <BluesKaj> mattfly, check if the driver is recognized, lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' , include the quotes
[16:11] <ash_worksi> such as 1) no prompt and 2) it repeats the input on the console
[16:11] <mattfly> #  lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'  --->        Kernel driver in use: i915
[16:11] <ash_worksi> and 3) exit doesn't work
[16:11] <mattfly> does that mean it is BluesKaj?
[16:12] <BluesKaj> nope, that's your mobo onboard gpu , mattfly
[16:12] <BluesKaj> intel  driver
[16:13] <mattfly> okay so thats what is runnign now?
[16:13] <BluesKaj> yes
[16:13] <mattfly> and how to find why nvidia drivers are not runnning instead?
[16:13] <mattfly> look: # prime-select nvidia --> Info: the nvidia profile is already set
[16:14] <BluesKaj> mattfly, sometimes the PCI driver has to be enabled as default in the UEFI/BIOS
[16:14] <mattfly> look but this was working before
[16:14] <mattfly> I had the nvidia drivers working and rendering on this same machine just 2 hours ago
[16:15] <BluesKaj> apt upgrades?
[16:15] <mattfly> then i disabled it from the nvidia-settings menu and this started, i wasnt able to reopen that menu and prime-select didnt work
[16:15] <mattfly> then i did the upgrades
[16:15] <mattfly> still not working
[16:16] <BluesKaj> mattfly, check to see if dkms is installed
[16:17] <mattfly> yes it is
[16:17] <BluesKaj> which nvidia driver is it?
[16:17] <mattfly> 410
[16:19] <mattfly> 410.73
[16:19] <mattfly> the recommended for kernel 4.19
[16:20] <qwebirc36781> Does anybody know where the boot logs of journalctl are saved? I am currently unable to boot propperly and would like to check them but I am going to have to do so from a liveCD
[16:20] <mattfly> looking up boot.log i find this Started Fall back on nouveau if nvidia is not loaded.
[16:22] <BluesKaj> mattfly, sudo init 5
[16:22] <mattfly> rrly?
[16:27] <RNM> boot log on /var/log/
[16:30] <mattfly> Hey BluesKaj could you please repeat what you said after init 5 because that dragged me into a black screen of nothingness and i couldnt do much
[16:30] <mattfly> i was still seeing my cursor
[16:30] <mattfly> and that was all :P
[16:30] <mattfly> now I reboot and the drivers still dont work...
[16:30] <mattfly> got more ideas?
[16:34] <waheedi> gpart needs another 14 hours to finish :|
[16:34] <waheedi> can i use dd while gpart is doing its thing?
[16:35] <waheedi> I should be able to as long nothing writes to it I assume
[16:35] <BluesKaj> mattfly, almost out of ideas here, maybe you should check the PCI driver has to be enabled as default in the UEFI/BIOS. Perhaps there was a firmware change of some kind..dunno what else to suggest :/
[16:35] <ghone> Hi all, our nginx on ubuntu (16.04) servers is being killed (restarted ?) randomly for a last couple of days. Any clue if any change has been applied recently to ubuntu ?
[16:36] <mattfly> okay thanks BluesKaj!! also just found this https://askubuntu.com/questions/1048274/ubuntu-18-04-stopped-working-with-nvidia-drivers that suggests to add nvidia-drm.modeset=1 to grup. I will reboot and check the bios
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> ghone: try #ubuntu-server please
[16:50] <waheedi> ghone: no errors in the logs? it can't restart randomly unless there is an error
[17:06] <joop_> Still haven't been able to fix the shutdown / poweroff problem on my thin clients :P
[17:16] <joop_> If anyone on here has an idea; my Wyse Z90DW thin clients are running Ubuntu Server 18.04.1 LTS
[17:16] <joop_> Whenever I issue `shutdown`, the OS shuts down but the system does not perform a poweroff.
[17:17] <joop_> Radeon module is disabled in the kernel, nomodeset flag and acpi=on/off/etc flags have been tried.
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> joop_: try in #ubuntu-server
[17:18] <joop_> Posted in there, thanks.
[17:45] <akacer> Hey, which ftp server is the easier to setup on Ubuntu?
[17:46] <joop_> vsftpd?
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> akacer: ftp is a risky protocol these days, perhaps consider a more secure way of filesharing?
[17:49] <akacer> lotuspsychje, i want it anyway, and most of it would be read only.
[17:49] <lordcirth> akacer, yeah, I wouldn't recommend ftp for anything, but vsftpd is a good one
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> akacer: can we ask your endgoal please?
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> akacer: perhaps volunteers might have other alternate ideas
[17:51] <akacer> lotuspsychje, occasional share and file listing access for friends.
[17:51] <akacer> Thanks everyone.
[17:53] <akacer> lotuspsychje, thing is FTP is well known protocols and easy to connect, clients are available. I don't want to install large stuff like Nextcloud + plugins and all...
[17:53] <lordcirth> akacer, do you need them to be able to upload as well?
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> akacer: easy to connect for unwanted users too
[17:54] <lordcirth> If you want public read-only, Apache with a directory listing.  If you want private and/or write ability, Nextcloud is a pretty good option and very easy to set up.
[17:55] <mutante> akacer: why install anything if you already have SSH and clients like WinSCP are baiscally looking exactly the same as FTP clients
[17:55] <mutante> the easiest is to use the existing thing
[17:55] <akacer> lordcirth, not really, but i guess i would set a folder read write anyway, could be usefull, but for relatively small files only.
[17:56] <lordcirth> Giving people ssh accounts may not be the best idea
[17:56] <mutante> why would that be an issue and giving them FTP clients wouldnt be?
[17:56] <mutante> also you can use scponly as shell
[17:58] <akacer> mutante, i want easy access from Windows and Android, i'm not gonna use ssh/scp but i didn't think about it yeah...
[17:59] <akacer> Yeah, just Apache for listing, i will try that too. Ty lordcirth.
[17:59] <pragmaticenigma> akacer: if it is a simple file host, I would recommend Apache with directory listing and server side authentication. Everyone has a web browser, and can easily login via that method. You can easily insatll Let's Encrypt whcih will give you a Certificate to enable HTTPS for secure login. Eliminates any need for your friends to download additional programs to view your files
[18:00] <akacer> But i don't see how unwanted ppl could connect on FTP...it's been used since forever and is still use, i never heard of it being so unsecure. Also vsftpd stands for "very secure" ...
[18:01] <pragmaticenigma> akacer: FTP itself is not secure. It transfers everything in plain text, including the username and password
[18:01] <lordcirth> There are a lot of terrible protocols that are still in use
[18:01] <EriC^^> akacer: i think it's cause it doesn't have encryption
[18:01] <lordcirth> vsftpd won't let someone root you by exploiting the server code, it's well made.  Doesn't help the protocol
[18:01] <pragmaticenigma> vsFTP means that it has the libraries for you to configure it to enable FTPS if you desire. However, support for FTPS is very hit and miss with clients
[18:02] <EriC^^> i think the apache + letsencrypt sounds like a good idea
[18:02] <lordcirth> apache + TLS is probably the easiest to setup and least likely to get you rooted
[18:03] <mutante> akacer: i don't see what's easier/harder about using an FTP client or an SSH/SCP client on either Windows or Android. both client UIs are the same to me.. local files on the left, remote files on the right and click stuff
[18:03] <mutante> (assuming you are talking about GUIs anyways)
[18:04] <mutante> akacer: FTP means passwords in plain text that anyone on the same LAN can sniff
[18:05] <pragmaticenigma> mutante: FTP means username and passwords are viewable to anyone on the internet.. not just LAN
[18:05] <mutante> and then if you are trying to put encryption on top of FTP.. i wonder even more why not just use SSH which is already running
[18:05] <mutante> more stuff listening is more attack vector
[18:06] <akacer> mutante, yes i just don't know much about it, but i'll think about it if i have to transfer files, for now i'll just go with Apache with file listing.
[18:06] <mutante> pragmaticenigma: fair enough.. i guess it's just less common that people have access to do that
[18:07] <mutante> akacer: if you don't need uploads that also works, sure
[18:07] <pragmaticenigma> looks like have a solution for akacer ... for any more discussion, let's take it to #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:08] <tgm4883> While I'll agree that FTP is a terrible unsecure protocol, if you're setting up file downloads via Apache anyone that could hit the website would have access to those files anyway
[18:10] <en1gma> i have a gateway dualcore i386 laptop that had ubuntu 16.04 i386 desktop. it hadnt been updated in about a month and i seen it said "install update now or later" so i told it "now" and it installed and its not making it past grunb on the reboot
[18:11] <en1gma> can someone tell me what to do. the system im on now is not it. the i386 system is at the grub menu now
[18:11] <en1gma> i hit "e" because i think its something in there probably i need to edit?
[18:11] <Jordan_U> en1gma: What happens when you select the first entry normally? What do you see on the screen?
[18:12] <en1gma> the only entry avail now is entry for memtest and advanced. if i click advaned it gives me an error like cant find menu entry
[18:12] <en1gma> hit space to continue
[18:13] <en1gma> so i do and then it gives another error and hit space to continue and then i think it takes me back to that same menu
[18:13] <Jordan_U> en1gma: Do you have an Ubuntu LiveUSB that you can boot from?
[18:14] <en1gma> i think i just made the 16.04 i386 desktop and it should work but its probably older then how far ubuntu installed was updated to. will that matter
[18:14] <en1gma> i go put the stick in now. should i boot to live desktop?
[18:14] <coconut> akacer: think there is retroshare as option for this too.
[18:15] <en1gma> Jordan_U do you want me to boot to desktop or boot just to the menu where i pick something
[18:16] <Jordan_U> en1gma: Boot to the full desktop. It being a little older shouldn't hurt anything.
[18:16] <en1gma> ok 1 min.
[18:18] <Jordan_U> en1gma: Once you're booted to the Desktop, please run boot info script from here: https://github.com/arvidjaar/bootinfoscript and pastebin the RESULTS.txt that it produces. If you need help figuring out how to run Boot Info Script I'm happy to give more help, that said I will be periodically away from the keyboard, so please be patient.
[18:21] <en1gma> Jordan_U so far im just getting a flashing cursor in the upper left corner on a black screen.
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> en1gma: blinking cursor in corner 'could' mean bad uefi settings too
[18:25] <Jordan_U> en1gma: How did you prepare the USB drive?
[18:28] <en1gma> i used my android phone (lg v30+). i downloaded the ubuntu desktop x64 and i386 images. i used an app in play store called iso2usb i think and burn both images to usb sticks plugged into my phone.
[18:29] <en1gma> the ubuntu x64 is how im chatting now (on a different laptop) the i386 usb isnt booting in the i386 bot
[18:29] <en1gma> box*
[18:30] <en1gma> will the i386 boot this intel i3 laptop?
[18:31] <en1gma> i could test it out but i did both images to sandisk cruizer usb 2.0 devices. one worked for sure as im using it live right now
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> en1gma: Is there any reason that you are running the 32 bit version of Ubuntu on a 64bit capable machine?
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> en1gma: i3 can also run 64bit yeah
[18:33] <Jordan_U> en1gma: Why don't you disconnect from here and try booting with the USB drive you know works then. Reconnecting here from the machine you're actually working on will make life much easier anyway.
[18:37] <ioria> en1gma, if you booted  the i386 usb  in efi mode , try to boot in bios mode ( i assume you installed a 386 pc in bios mode)
[18:39] <en1gma> i hadnt touched the bios settings for long time. all i did was install updates
[18:39] <en1gma> i will boot to bios and look for an efi setting
[18:39] <en1gma> with the i386 usb stick work on this i3 x64? just to test the usb image?
[18:40] <ioria> en1gma, make it simple; boot the 64bit image
[18:41] <Jordan_U> en1gma: Why are you using 32 bit Ubuntu anyway? Do you really have a 32 bit CPU?
[18:43] <en1gma> the bios is from 2008 and its a dual core T2370 (1.7ghz) and no efi / ufi settings i could see. it does let me select other os/dos and usb disk in boot order
[18:43] <ash_worksi> how many of you curl pastes in here?
[18:44] <en1gma> ive said it 4x now. the x64 image is working on this x64 laptop im talking with right now.
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: we dont really take polls here
[18:44] <en1gma> can the i386 image be tested in this x64 laptop
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: whats it for please?
[18:46] <ash_worksi> lotuspsychje: my own frustration. I am discerning whether or not pastebin'ing a teletype file literered with control characters would not cause any confusion (since curling it would interpret the control chars in a console)
[18:47] <mattfly> I figure out to get the nvidia driver working but still not able to hibernate
[18:47] <mattfly> if the driver is not in use hibernation works normally
[18:48] <mattfly> if the driver is active hibernation hangs trying to restore
[18:48] <ash_worksi> lotuspsychje: it's really only important for the "helpers" rather than the "helped"... do _you_ curl pastes?
[18:49] <en1gma> shiat. it will be quicker just to put the i386 usb stick and reboot this x64 cpu and see what happens.
[18:49] <en1gma> nobody knows? i actually have to reboot to test?
[18:49] <en1gma> ill be back
[18:49] <Jordan_U> en1gma: The T2370 is a 64 bit CPU. You should use 64 bit Ubuntu.
[18:49] <en1gma> what? are you serious?
[18:50] <en1gma> ok i gonna power down and take this x64 out and put in the i386 and see what happens
[18:50] <en1gma> brb
[18:50] <en1gma> thanks
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: is it pastebinit you want to achieve?
[19:00] <en1gma> the x64 wouldnt boot either. im putting the x64 image on a full size sd card right now. maybe the T2370 will boot from that
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> en1gma: do you press F12 to boot your usb?
[19:03] <en1gma> it didnt have that option to boot from usb. only usb-hdd, cdrom etc
[19:04] <en1gma> when i did press f12 i mean
[19:04] <element115> gotta boot from usb, otherwise it's not reading the stick
[19:04] <element115> heh
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> en1gma: perhaps your image isnt burnt well
[19:04] <en1gma> i booted with the x64 image with this i3 laptop
[19:05] <element115> partitioned hdd/ssd?
[19:05] <TJ-> en1gma: "USB-HDD" is the correct choice; It means simply the USB mass storage device is expected to look like a hard disk (as opposed to an ISO-9660 or Floppy )
[19:05] <element115> ^
[19:06] <element115> change bios to boot from usb first
[19:06] <TJ-> en1gma: and the Ubuntu ISOs are hybrid images that 'look' like CD and HDD and can boot in MBR/BIOS and UEFI modes
[19:06] <element115> then ya wont have to worry about it
[19:06] <element115> again ^
[19:06] <en1gma> are you serious? usb-hdd?
[19:06] <element115> yes
[19:06] <element115> insert usb stick
[19:07] <element115> reboot
[19:07] <en1gma> ok let me go try that. damn i feel dumb
[19:07] <element115> hit bios
[19:07] <element115> boot from usb-hdd
[19:07] <element115> wording has caught us all up from time to time, no worries.
[19:08] <TJ-> en1gma: PC/firmware developers are *terrible* at putting understandable descriptions in the boot menus
[19:08] <element115> shonuff.
[19:09] <en1gma> "USB Hard Drive" still boots to flashing cursor upper left hand corner on black screen
[19:10] <en1gma> this image almost burnt to an SD Card maybe that will work
[19:10] <en1gma> i dont have and cd/dvd's :)
[19:10] <element115> sounds like a bad image
[19:10] <element115> or a bad bootable
[19:11] <element115> happened to me several times.
[19:11] <en1gma> the x64 i didnt get to check yet with the F12 selection USB Hard Drive
[19:11] <en1gma> i could power down and check
[19:11] <en1gma> this image im running does work 100%
[19:11] <en1gma> im using it now.
[19:11] <en1gma> ok brb gonna test it
[19:11] <element115> then reboot and check.
[19:11] <element115> ok.
[19:22] <en1gma> ok the sd card isnt getting booted either
[19:22] <en1gma> hmmmm
[19:22] <en1gma> 2 usb sticks and 1 full size sdcard i can not boot too
[19:23] <en1gma> BUT the I3 laptop can read them
[19:23] <en1gma> so something has to be wrong with the way i writing them from the android phone. i just can down load the image now while running this live
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> en1gma: if you 100% sure your sticks are well burned, its your bios set wrong
[19:24] <en1gma> you dont think it could because the android phone made it a gpt instead of msdos?
[19:24] <en1gma> well i can check actually right now on the i386 usb stick. 1 sec
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> en1gma: yeah thats possible, try to use other iso tools
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> en1gma: like the ubuntu disc creator or wich Os are you on to make one?
[19:26] <element115> dd it
[19:26] <element115> easiest way
[19:26] <en1gma> im gonna use ubuntu disc creator from this laptop right now :) gonna transfer image off phones :)
[19:26] <en1gma> dd is good but since i booted live i always forget the syntax :)
[19:26] <element115> ah
[19:26] <en1gma> i know this is an if= of=
[19:26] <en1gma> bs=1m
[19:27] <element115> man dd
[19:27] <element115> :D
[19:27] <en1gma> checking partition that was created with android phone iso2usb
[19:27] <TJ-> en1gma: "dd if=path/to/file.iso of=/path/to/device bs=50M status=progress"
[19:27] <element115> see
[19:27] <element115> he gotya
[19:28] <element115> most live instances also have install options as well
[19:28] <element115> so once booted live, you can hard install if you choose.
[19:28] <TJ-> en1gma: within reason, the larger the blocksize (bs=) the faster the transfer. It controls how big the memory buffers are.
[19:29] <en1gma> i usually do 512k as these usb sandisk cruizers are 4GB and 8GB black and red old school
[19:29] <en1gma> on my adata usb 3.0 i make it quite a bit larger
[19:30] <element115> i need 3.0 drives
[19:30] <element115> so bad.
[19:30] <element115> :(
[19:30] <TJ-> en1gma: for USB2 I find 50M strikes the best balance
[19:30] <en1gma> cant figure out why that laptop isnt recognizing my usb devices very well. it sees it in the bios but when i select the alternate boot device or even set the priority to highest it still dont boot
[19:31] <element115> have you tried legacy?
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> en1gma: some bios have another settings aswell you need to check like sata
[19:31] <TJ-> en1gma: is it a UEFI system?
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> element115: he said he has old style bios TJ-
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> no uefi
[19:33] <element115> have to tried allocating and partitioning, then hard installing the iso to boot
[19:33] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: hmmm, so either the images are being written incorrectly, or the BIOS doesn't like the hybrid nature. I've seen that a few times where, despite the BIOS boot-menu listing only a mode like "USB-HDD" it ends up trying a different mode based on discovering the ISO layout
[19:33] <element115> that's was my thought as well tj, that the image was written bad.
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: he created the sticks with an android app iso2usb or some
[19:34] <element115> i had a similar thing happen with an arch usb stick boot
[19:34] <element115> black screen, blinking cursor
[19:35] <element115> couldnt get it to work.
[19:35] <element115> tried it every which way.
[19:35] <Jordan_U> en1gma: Since you can boot from your local disk far enough to get to grub, we should be able to boot the USB drive from there.
[19:35] <TJ-> en1gma: element115 flashing cursor tells me the boot-loader was loaded but the BIOS gave it the wrong device to use as the boot device so it couldn't find the rest of its image
[19:35] <element115> right
[19:35] <element115> meaning it's written poorly
[19:35] <element115> or incomplete
[19:36] <element115> which is what i was thinking about his issue.
[19:36] <TJ-> element115: I worked on the syslinux MBR boot image many years ago; added the option to hold down the Ctrl or Shift key in these cases to work around BIOS bugs. en1gma it may be worth trying that at boot time, holding one of those down as you select the boot device
[19:37] <bumblefuzz> I can't use my mouse/trackpad properly
[19:37] <element115> TJ-, im all for the idea and attempt
[19:37] <element115> and thanks for the tip
[19:37] <element115> :)
[19:37] <bumblefuzz> can someone help me figure out what's wrong?
[19:37] <joop_> bumblefuzz: whats the problem?
[19:38] <bumblefuzz> I can move my mouse around the screen but clicking is impossible
[19:38] <TJ-> element115: in summary, when booting in BIOS mode, BIOS passes a structure telling the bootloader which device it was loaded from (0x80 being 1st fixed disk) but sometimes, when doing manual boot selection, it passes the wrong device number, so the code in sector 0 (MBR) cannot load the rest of the bootloader because BIOS told it to use the wrong device
[19:38] <element115> ahh
[19:39] <TJ-> The idea of holding Shift (or Ctrl - can't remember which it needs now!) is the MBR code ignores BIOS and assumes 0x80
[19:39] <element115> understood
[19:39] <element115> i'll retry that same boot stick and see what happens
[19:39] <element115> great tip.
[19:40] <TJ-> element115: I know many Sony Vaios are hit by that for example, and some other makes I forgot now
[19:40] <element115> im using a toshiba, older model.
[19:40] <joop_> TJ-: where did you learn that? If it's from necessity it must have been a hell of a problem that you were trying to solve at the time.
[19:40] <TJ-> Not an issue with UEFI of course
[19:40] <TJ-> joop_: I debugged it, wrote the patches for syslinux
[19:40] <TJ-> joop_: this would be around 2009 I think
[19:40] <element115> joop_, he just guessed.
[19:40] <element115> ;P
[19:41] <joop_> element115: ._.
[19:41] <joop_> TJ-: oh wow.
[19:41] <TJ-> ahh, here's the diagnostic code I used to figure it out: http://iam.tj/projects/misc/mbr-diag.S
[19:42] <element115> TJ-, very nice :)
[19:42] <bumblefuzz> any ideas?
[19:42] <TJ-> so, it is Ctrl key
[19:42] <element115> bumblefuzz, sorry, prob again?
[19:42] <element115> something with your mouse?
[19:42] <bumblefuzz> my mouse doesn't work
[19:42] <joop_> TJ-: Nice, reading it now. The typo on the first line hurts me though: "diagnsotic"
[19:42] <bumblefuzz> can't click
[19:42] <element115> does it move?
[19:42] <bumblefuzz> it'll move
[19:43] <element115> and is it new?
[19:43] <bumblefuzz> no clicking
[19:43] <element115> new install?
[19:43] <bumblefuzz> yes, new problem just started
[19:43] <bumblefuzz> new install as well
[19:43] <element115> attempted reinstalling the product?
[19:43] <bumblefuzz> I can really only get around via keyboard
[19:43] <bumblefuzz> yes, this is my 5 or 6th reinstall
[19:44] <element115> checked the site for driver issues with OS?
[19:44] <joop_> bumblefuzz: Do you have another mouse to try? Which OS & DE are you using?
[19:44] <bumblefuzz> ubuntu mate 16,04
[19:44] <bumblefuzz> just the builtiin trackpad
[19:44] <joop_> Oi
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> bumblefuzz: system up to date?
[19:45] <bumblefuzz> it does it before and after
[19:45] <bumblefuzz> but yes
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> bumblefuzz: your kernel version please?
[19:46] <TJ-> joop_: deliberate, to ensure students actually read it :D
[19:46] <joop_> By the way, just a noob question; how does one add a color to their name on here?
[19:46] <joop_> TJ-: I see.
[19:47] <element115> add a color?
[19:47] <element115> thats client side, no?
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> !tab | joop_
[19:47] <element115> tab is god
[19:48] <TJ-> joop_: colours are applied by the IRC client
[19:48] <joop_> TJ-: Ah, I thought I was missing out on some customization thing.
[19:48] <joop_> ubottu: Thanks, I am aware!
[19:48] <TJ-> don't we know it ubottu ?
[19:51] <ioria> joop_, have you sorted out your poweroff issue ?
[19:53] <joop_> ioria: unfortunately not, but today has been a good day for me in terms of learning new things.
[19:54] <ioria> joop_, i see... i'am starting to feel  that the TC shutdown manually
[19:57] <joop_> ioria: That occured to me too; but they came installed with Windows XP Embedded (oh, the horrors) and Windows would shutdown correctly.
[19:57] <sheen> Hello, I'm looking for doing keyboard macro for gaming. Anyone know a good tools for this ?
[19:57] <ioria> joop_, ok
[19:57] <joop_> Same as with my colleague - he runs OpenBSD on one of these TCs and that's able to power down the system just fine.
[19:58] <joop_> I just don't get it. I have tried ACPI settings, but they don't seem to matter.
[19:59] <ioria> joop_,  i might suggest a livecd (desktop) and test the shutdown on it
[20:01] <Checkmate> i've problem on sendEmail
[20:02] <Checkmate> ERROR => Received:       554 Transaction failed, maximum message size exceeded
[20:02] <Checkmate> the file is just 3KB
[20:02] <kempo> hi all. i am running ubuntu 18.04. i want to start a 'screen' session with a command when booting up, how can i do this?
[20:03] <joop_> Checkmate: use paste.ubuntu.com
[20:03] <joop_> kempo: only for your user over SSH? Or everytime the machine boots up?
[20:06] <joop_> ioria: I'll do that. I have 2 of these machines that I'm not using currently.
[20:09] <ioria> Checkmate, 554 can be a generic error code
[20:09] <lordcirth> kempo, like, a screen session that you can later ssh in and connect to?
[20:10] <Checkmate> @ioria its say my file body message is too big
[20:10] <kempo> lordcirth: yes
[20:11] <cutecycle> hello; I've seen most recommendations for password hashing algorithms recommend bcrypt, but glibc doesn't support bcrypt — so PBKDF-sha256-hmac is recommended in its stead... but then /etc/shadow also doesn't support PBKDF-sha256-hmac... is the built in SHA512 adequate for password hashing?
[20:12] <lordcirth> kempo, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/User#Persistent_terminal_multiplexer
[20:12] <lordcirth> cutecycle, what is your threat model?
[20:14] <ioria> Checkmate, check the sendemail  config files
[20:16] <cutecycle> well i can assume an attacker wouldn't break into a client's premises and log in from their hypervisor but you know...
[20:17] <lordcirth> cutecycle, password hashing recommendations are generally for things like website databases - if you are worried about a few local user accounts being compromised, consider only using ssh keys, or use randomly generated passwords per machine.
[20:18] <lordcirth> If someone can read and exfiltrate /etc/shadow, they can just install a keylogger and/or don't need your password anymore.
[20:19] <ment0s> is there any way to get ubutnu 13:04 to work with new dpkg packages ?
[20:20] <ment0s>  has premature member 'control.tar.xz' before 'control.tar.gz', giving up
[20:21] <cutecycle> I'm randomly generating a physical access password and frontend login password per machine but I wanted to make sure sha512 was alright for etc/shadow since it seems to be the best you could do with crypt  — apache2 is just like "bcrypt or bust"
[20:22] <OerHeks> ment0s, no support for 13.04, it is EOL, dead
[20:23] <joop_> kek
[20:23] <ntd> somehow support for amdgpu-pro on xenial was broken between kernel 4.4.0-134 and 4.4.138 (not fixed in .139)
[20:24] <joop_> ntd: I have had nothing but problems with the amdgpu package. I removed it and used the 'padoka ppa' (https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/mesa/)
[20:25] <joop_> Gave me great performance on my R9 290.
[20:25] <OerHeks> ntd, you might want to take a look at HWE, a newer kernel and such
[20:25] <OerHeks> !hwe
[20:25] <ntd> i need opencl
[20:25] <ntd> oh, i've tried 4.15 as well
[20:25] <ntd> right now i have a system set up and filesystem snapshots to prevent polluting results
[20:25] <cutecycle> like if a cat burglar's already yanked etc/shadow from the hypervisor i suppose pkbdf9-argon32-sha4096-hmac as good as MD5 but  i dont want to default to md5 because of that
[20:26] <ntd> modprobe amdgpu on > -134: amdkcl: exports duplicate symbol arch_io_free_memtype_wc (owned by kernel)
[20:26] <ment0s> OerHeks: yeah I know its dead but .. is there any way to covnert new dpkg packages to old ?
[20:26] <ntd> ofc, scroogle is being less than helpful hunting down anything relevant
[20:27] <OerHeks> ment0s, maybe if you compile the souce yourself, who knows?
[20:27] <ment0s> or a way to install .deb without dpkg or apt
[20:27] <ntd> joop_, i need opencl
[20:28] <OerHeks> ment0s, all your 13.x questions are offtopic here, useless to find out
[20:29] <EriC^^> ment0s: you could possibly extract it using some program and put the files yourself in /usr/local ?
[20:29] <EriC^^> ment0s: what are you trying to do, i didnt see your question
[20:30] <ddoobb> Why do tutorials ask you to copy files with terminal when it's a two keystroke job with the file manager that's already open?
[20:30] <ment0s> EriC^^: a bit of a frankenstein tbh. I need libcrypto.so.1 built on libc6 2.17 :)
[20:31] <EriC^^> ment0s: ok and how are you trying to go about that?
[20:31] <OerHeks> ddoobb, depends, if those files need to be moved as root, without nautilus-admin installed
[20:32] <EriC^^> ddoobb: those tutorials dont know what you're using anyways as a file manager, so naturally it'd make more sense to use a cli command
[20:32] <ment0s> EriC^^: ubuntu 13:04 has libc6 2.17, there is a docker image for 13.04. never mind I got it extracted from .deb and installed manually
[20:32] <ment0s> bascically I need openssl 1.1.1 on glibc 2.17
[20:32] <EriC^^> ddoobb: plus it's more clear what you're copying and where and everything
[20:33] <EriC^^> i think it's more trouble to put a gui screenshot or say right click copy bla bla, instead of just typing "cp /source /destination"
[20:33] <qwebirc36781> Hey, I am having trouble to get my graphics up and running (old laptop with NVIDIA GT 130M, 17" Display with 1600x900 iirc and Ubuntu 18.04). The problem consists of a blackscreen after the standard purble loading screen which can be circumvented using nouveau.modeset=0. This boots in the session but with a resolution of 640x... The installation of lightdm as suggested somewhere did not fix the issue. Additionally
[20:33] <qwebirc36781> the installation of the nvidia-340 driver leads to similar blackscreens that even block the recovery mode accessed via grub. Thx in advance :)
[20:35] <ioria> qwebirc36781, what's your cpu and ram ?
[20:40] <ntd> on 4.4.0-134+ -138 and 4.15.0-34 + -36/38
[20:40] <ntd> oops
[20:46] <Checkmate> @ioria i've checked there is no error if i sent small body message
[20:47] <ntd> who do i talk to about kernel issues? support for amdgpu-pro is broken between 4.4.0-134 and -138
[20:48] <ntd> ubuntu-specific
[20:48] <element115> #ubuntu-dev o
[20:48] <element115> id assume
[20:49] <ntd> reminds me of how 4.15.0-36 broke h.264 video handling in some cases
[20:49] <ioria> Checkmate, try ssmtp; if the problem persists it can depend on external elements (email isp or such)
[20:52] <NoImNotN1neVolt> i'm reading some documentation (for apache nifi) which suggests i `sysctl -w net.ipv4.netfilter.ip_conntrack_tcp_timeout_time_wait="5"`, but that's not a valid key under /proc, though it used to be in ubuntu 10 or 12.
[20:53] <Jordan_U> ntd: File a bug report.
[20:53] <Jordan_U> !bug | ntd
[22:08] <en1gma> ok guys im the i386 guy thats not an i386. i did manage to use the live x64 and startup creator to make an i386 image that is bootable in the other laptop that cant boot after updating ubuntu 16.04 desktop i386
[22:30] <element115> en1gma, good work.
[22:36] <en1gma> yea but i still have not solved the problem of grub not booting on that ubuntu 16.04 i386 install to actual hard drive. it was working great until i update yesterday (a month since last update) and now it dont boot
[22:37] <en1gma> what do i need to do now to that system to be able to boot without a usb ubuntu live stick in it
[22:37] <en1gma> that system right now is booted to desktop with ubuntu live i386 16.04 lts
[22:37] <Sven_vB> I'm uninstalling about 10 kernels, and for each one, the postinstall triggers update-grub which takes a reaally long time to generate a GRUB config with lots of kernels that will soon be removed. is there a way to defer update-grub until all to-be-removed kernels have been removed?
[22:37] <en1gma> whats on the hard drive is alot newer than that most likely
[22:38] <en1gma> i gonna switch to that laptop. brb
[22:38] <OerHeks> Sven_vB, you could remove all those kernel parts manually, and run update grub once, i would let the autoremove do its job
[22:40] <Sven_vB> maybe I can teach grub-update how to cache the results for the slow stuff, and use the cache if it finds the apt process above it still has the same PID and process start time.
[22:41] <Sven_vB> I wonder why it takes a semi-noob like me to invent that.
[22:42] <Sven_vB> ok well the pros probably don't use apt to manage their kernels. :D
[22:57] <en1gma> ok im back on the i386 that the hdd had an ubuntu update that wont boot. only to grub but im on that same system with ubuntu 16.04 i386 desktop usb
[22:58] <en1gma> yea. took 4hrs to get this far. yay!!!
[22:58] <en1gma> ok guys what do i need to do
[23:03] <en1gma> dont leave me now guys/gals i need you. this is my moms laptop and she hadnt updated. i clicked on the install updates and now she blaming me
[23:03] <en1gma> all because of a restart now
[23:03] <EriC^^> en1gma: did you try to boot into the previous kernel
[23:04] <en1gma> she wants her ancestry.com :)
[23:04] <Bashing-om> en1gma: Pastebin ' sudo fdisk -lu ' and then we discuss the options .
[23:04] <en1gma> there were no options to boot to previous kernel.
[23:04] <en1gma> only advanced and memtest showed up but when i clicked on advaned it broke
[23:04] <en1gma> it said no menu entry
[23:04] <EriC^^> en1gma: are you in a live usb right now?
[23:04] <en1gma> and hit space to continue which takes me back to the advanced option and memtest again
[23:05] <en1gma> yep
[23:05] <EriC^^> could you restate your problem briefly?
[23:05] <en1gma> pulling up pastebin right now as i bet i gonna need it
[23:06] <en1gma> yes. she running ubuntu 16.04LTS i386 desktop off her hdd. she had about a months updates waiting to be updated. i seen it and hit install ubuntu software updates
[23:06] <en1gma> after it updated it asked me if i wanted to restart now or later
[23:06] <en1gma> i hit now and now it wont boot
[23:06] <en1gma> in the menu entry that does appear
[23:07] <en1gma> i can select advanced, memtest and something else i forget. the only one i checked so far is advanced boot option and that breaks
[23:07] <en1gma> it says no menu entry
[23:07] <en1gma> hit space to continue
[23:07] <en1gma> and takes me back to that same menu
[23:07] <en1gma> i (believe) i need to hit "e" and edit grub with somewhere to boot. i hope
[23:08] <en1gma> if i could get into the "real" non-live enviroment i bet i just need to run update-grub2?
[23:08] <en1gma> or update-grub* not sure which
[23:09] <EriC^^> en1gma: when you get to grub, there's no "ubuntu" entry? just advanced and memtest?
[23:09] <en1gma> yep
[23:09] <EriC^^> en1gma: ok, type "sudo parted -ls" and pastebin the results
[23:09] <en1gma> but i can hit "e" and see all the normal text but there is alot when i scroll down
[23:11] <en1gma> https://pastebin.com/RNmWkRqe
[23:14] <en1gma> EriC^^ you there?
[23:15] <EriC^^> yes 1 sec
[23:16] <en1gma> k
[23:16] <en1gma> thought i was disconnected or something. very quiet in here
[23:16] <EriC^^> en1gma: type "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt"
[23:17] <en1gma> done
[23:18] <EriC^^> en1gma: type "for i in /dev /proc /sys; do sudo mount -R $i /mnt$i; done"
[23:19] <en1gma> 'for i in /dev /proc /sys; do sudo mount -R $i /mnt$i; done'    done
[23:20] <en1gma> i mean done like i did it
[23:20] <EriC^^> en1gma: type "sudo chroot /mnt"
[23:20] <en1gma> done
[23:21] <EriC^^> en1gma: nice
[23:21] <en1gma> thanks. i have no idea how you guys know all this stuff.
[23:21] <en1gma> my brain cannot remember the syntax and all meanings
[23:22] <EriC^^> en1gma: hmm, could you open another terminal while this one is still open?
[23:22] <EriC^^> !ping
[23:22] <en1gma> yep can do
[23:22] <EriC^^> thought i got dc for a sec
[23:23] <en1gma> done
[23:23] <en1gma> i think i did earlier too
[23:23] <EriC^^> ok, open it and run "sudo cp /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf /mnt/run/resolv/resolv.conf"
[23:23] <en1gma> maybe i didnt give the latpop enough time to do what it needed to do before i hit restart now after it installed the updates
[23:24] <en1gma> "cp: cannot create regular file '/mnt/run/resolv/resolv.conf': No such file or directory"
[23:24] <EriC^^> en1gma: no that wasn't the issue
[23:24] <EriC^^> en1gma: ok, type "sudo mkdir -p /mnt/run/resolv"
[23:24] <en1gma> wasnt sure because this is a slow laptop. probably should have gave it a little more time anyway
[23:25] <en1gma> did both commands again and they done
[23:25] <EriC^^> en1gma: you mean the sudo cp one as well?
[23:25] <en1gma> yep
[23:25] <EriC^^> ok
[23:26] <en1gma> i know a little but not alot
[23:26] <EriC^^> en1gma: ok, so in the other terminal in the chroot try "ping -c1 google.com" to see if you have internet right
[23:26] <EriC^^> you did well
[23:26] <en1gma> you did well :) i think
[23:27] <EriC^^> en1gma: :) type "cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link it gives you here
[23:29] <en1gma> "cat: /boot/grub/grub.cfg: No such file or directory"
[23:29] <EriC^^> en1gma: aha, try "update-grub"
[23:30] <en1gma> grub-mkconfig: You must run this as root
[23:30] <en1gma> should i add 'sudo'
[23:31] <EriC^^> en1gma: are you sure you're running it in the chroot terminal?
[23:31] <en1gma> lemme look. im in the newest terminal you told me to create
[23:32] <en1gma> i dont think i am
[23:32] <en1gma> should i switch to it and do the 'cat' command?
[23:32] <en1gma> "nc: getaddrinfo for host "termbin.com" port 9999: Name or service not known"
[23:33] <en1gma> install "nc"?
[23:33] <EriC^^> en1gma: switch to the chroot terminal, it should say something like root@.....#
[23:34] <EriC^^> oh you did already
[23:34] <en1gma> im in it
[23:34] <EriC^^> ok no 1 sec
[23:34] <EriC^^> type "cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc 5.39.93.71 9999"
[23:35] <en1gma> http://termbin.com/3it4
[23:36] <EriC^^> en1gma: it looks like the entries are all there, but there's some weird character after "set lang=en_US" i wonder how that got there and if it's throwing it off or something
[23:37] <EriC^^> en1gma: try in the chroot "update-grub" then run the cat command again
[23:37] <en1gma> "Generating grub configuration file ... /etc/grub.d/00_header: 1: /etc/grub.d/00_header: cut: Exec format error"
[23:38] <EriC^^> aha
[23:38] <en1gma> whats that mean O_o
[23:39] <EriC^^> en1gma: exec format usually means an architecture mismatch, i dunno try "cat /etc/grub.d/00_header | nc 5.39.93.71 9999"
[23:39] <en1gma> http://termbin.com/k15b
[23:40] <EriC^^> interestingly, the only "cut" used in that header file for me is at grub_lang=`echo $LANG | cut -d . -f 1`
[23:40] <EriC^^> i bet there's some weird ass character there in yours
[23:41] <en1gma> i wonder if i should just pull everything off it and install the x64 ubuntu desktop. for some reason i installed 16.04 i386. laptop because laptop only jas 3GB ram
[23:41] <en1gma> think i should just pull her stuff off and install 18.04.1 x64 desktop?
[23:42] <en1gma> yea man let me do that.
[23:42] <en1gma> probably good idea. let me see if its accessible right now
[23:43] <virmaha> Hello. I've an executable which requires to load libc dynamically. I cannot control its invocation but I need to ensure it picks up libc only from say xyz/ folder.
[23:43] <virmaha> How can I do that?
[23:44] <EriC^^> en1gma: seems identical as mine, no weird characters
[23:45] <en1gma> really
[23:45] <en1gma> im just gonna grab the important stuff and try and do a fresh install of ubuntu 18.04.1 x64
[23:45] <en1gma> thank-you for your help
[23:46] <EriC^^> en1gma: alright, sounds good
[23:47] <EriC^^> en1gma: btw if you have lots of programs installed you could always run a command to get a list of them and then have it install them
[23:50] <aidrocsid> Can anyone point me in the right direction for changing the audio drivers used by wine for steamplay? I've downloaded winetricks but running it just gives me "wineserver not found!" and I'm not sure what I actually need to do to get it working.
[23:52] <en1gma> i need to grab her firefox bookmarks. where are they located
[23:53] <EriC^^> en1gma: find /home -iname '*bookmark*'
[23:53] <EriC^^> should show them
[23:55] <en1gma> i closed both terminals we had oppen
[23:55] <en1gma> so i should do it from the live usb main terminal?
[23:55] <EriC^^> en1gma: type sudo find /mnt/home -iname '*bookmark*' | grep firefox
[23:57] <EriC^^> en1gma: can you humor me and type "file /mnt/usr/bin/cut" ?
[23:58] <EriC^^> i wonder if it meant that the "cut" binary was causing the exec format error, that it's the 64bit version trying to run on the 32bit ubuntu