 @TheWendyPower that's great. Just need the dimensions to make sure your vision for the welcome center comes true. I second video calls. If anyone is free this weekend, we should do a brief one if possible even if it ends up being Google hangout or a Linux based one
 Just wanna make sure the first screen is done before the Community page which would be the second ui window
 Otherwise great to hear. Thanks for the update
[01:00]  * lynorian is think where to put welcome in the manual
 @tsimonq2 [Everyone remember to RSVP for the next meeting if you can make it :D https://pha …], Next week's standup is scheduled for Thanksgiving day. Should we move it to another day?
[01:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL86dc815b69cd: Add history for qlipper] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL86dc815b69cd
 @kc2bez [Next week's standup is scheduled for Thanksgiving day. Should we move it to anot …], Oof, good idea.
 Skip it next week?
[01:16] <lynorian> maybe?
[01:16] <docEbrown> I dont mind ;) No Thanksgiving in Oz :/ I do like pumpkin pie and creamed corn though!
 Maybe, it is up to you. I can personally be available any other day.
 I'll save you a piece of pie docEbrown
[01:18] <docEbrown> awesome! It should be good after a week or so in a FedEx truck / plane right?
 Hmm, not sure about that ;)
[01:19] <docEbrown> damn!
 LoL
[01:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL54d1e9f16baa: Add wrench button to lxqt-panel config] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL54d1e9f16baa
[01:32] <lynorian> off to starfinder for me but yay was less manual burnt out then I thought I would be
 Good luck lynorian :)
[01:33] <docEbrown> @wxl, sorry for the delay.  Here are my changes to date for lugito, it is just sitting in the fork for the moment so I could share.  I'll use arcane in the merge submission https://github.com/doc-E-brown/lugito/tree/diffhook
[02:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALAPACKAGINGcb7af40e1cfb: Import no-change rebuilds.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALAPACKAGINGcb7af40e1cfb
[03:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALAPACKAGING8208374b20a5: Add support for XDG directories, which lays the foundation for OEM support.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALAPACKAGING8208374b20a5
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 You guys wanna shoot for Tuesday next week?
 I'm traveling to my mom's house on Wed after work
 Tuesday should be good.
 sorry yesterday I was in a metting so I'm not 100% clear. For libreOffice SRU I have now a 32bit cosmic isntallation. What should I do?  ... sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade ... and see what happens with LO?
 Good for me.
 @HMollerCl [sorry yesterday I was in a metting so I'm not 100% clear. For libreOffice SRU I …], No, `sudo apt update` and then only upgrade the libreoffice packages.
 ok
 I don't see libreoffice in the upgradeable list
 maybe there is no update for 32bit?
 There should be
 Not the metapackage, a bunch of little libreoffice packages.
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/G28GDZc9QS/
 this is what ... apt list —upgradeable shows me
 Do you have cosmic-proposed enabled?
 good point
 Make sure to disable it against once you've upgraded to the new LibreOffice
 *again
 ok
 it requieres me to install python-uno
 just fyi
 Ok
 the icons are changed
 as expected
 already posted on launchpad
 maybe guiverc had already changed the icons from Tango to Breeze
 you will se that previousle in tools->options->view Icon Style Automatic(Tango) and now Automatic(Breeze)
 👍 Thanks
[18:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL0399937d1762: Explicitly state the keyboard shortcut inline for opening the menu] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL0399937d1762
[18:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3e7c98fe44f7: Add how to start customizing lxqt-panel] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3e7c98fe44f7
 @tsimonq2 apparently that LO SRU also makes libreoffice-kde5 work. i have to test it more but at least in ding it works, no libreoffice-gtk3 is needed
 @wxl and.... w/o libreoffice-gtk3 and w/o libreoffice-kde5 the tooltip issue disappear
[19:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T163: LibreOffice blinking buttons and description on hover] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T163#3366
 @wxl @tsimonq2 who should I comment this findings? ^
 @HMollerCl [@wxl @tsimonq2 who should I comment this findings? ^], Uninstalling *both*?
 for looking good we need libreoffice-kde5. But it generates the tooltip/hover issue
 before the SRU we needeed libreoffice-gtk3 which also generates de tooltip/hover issue
[19:21] <wxl> after the SRU if we remove both, everything just works. right, @HMollerCl?
 works right but looks bad
[19:21] <wxl> looks bad how?
 the problem is not the SRU is libreoffice-gtk3 and libreoffice-kde5
 which only change a couple onf config and the filePicker.
[19:22] <wxl> is that resolvable in some other way?
 I need to look at
[19:23] <wxl> let me know what you find out
 my findings is that both of this integration packages generates this issue.
[19:23] <wxl> doesn't kubuntu have one or both of them, though? and it doesn't have the problem?
 it should have libreoffice-kde5
[19:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: Our default LibreOffice theme looks bad] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#3367
 @wxl I don't undertsand what is KDE neon, plasma, etc... but here they say that with Kde plasma 5 they have te issue, but I'm not sure is ubuntu. https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/9mqmxk/question_about_libreoffice_tooltips_not_showing/
[19:39] <wxl> plasma is essentially the desktop environment in kde (which is really more than just a desktop environment), of which kwin is the window manager
[19:40] <wxl> neon is a distribution.. sort of like kubuntu if it used the latest kde software
[19:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALad807e5aa2bb: Add how to view screenshot in discover] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALad807e5aa2bb
[19:41] <wxl> you could always spin up a kubuntu image in a vm and see how it goes :)
 @wxl [<wxl> neon is a distribution.. sort of like kubuntu if it used the latest kde so …], neon is over fedora? suse?
[19:41] <wxl> ubuntu
[19:41] <wxl> but it's not an official ubuntu flavor, kind of like mint
 ok, so it might be lest updated?
 for example, with older gtk3?
[19:45] <wxl> it will be most updated
[19:45] <wxl> but, it won't necessarily be equivalent to kubuntu
 @wxl [<wxl> it will be most updated], In terms of KDE
[19:45] <wxl> ^ that
 They might have an outdated GTK
[19:45] <wxl> technically it's based around ubuntu LTS
[19:45] <wxl> which means it's outdated relative to the most current ubuntu (unless the current ubuntu is an LTS)
 Neon isn't a distro, it's a CI which mindlessly throws packages at a repo :)
 Neon was the name of KCI before it was named KCI
 CI? KCI?
[19:47] <wxl> well, it's a distro
[19:47] <wxl> they do provide images
[19:47] <wxl> but yes, technically, it's a set of repositories built upon ubuntu
[19:47] <wxl> (which, technically, so is mint.. which is a distro)
 @wxl [<wxl> well, it's a distro], Mhh
 Calling it a distro would be unfair to actual distros. :P
[19:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbf974c5893e1: fix typo] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbf974c5893e1
[19:49] <wxl> then technically you would say the same thing about ubuntu, which is just a debian derivative
 which is the better way to downgrade libgtk-3-0 from 3.24.1  to 3.22 ??
 since it's not in disco repo
 You don't realize that they put no actual polish into it. It's literally a Linux image with the latest KDE on top. It's not meant to ship an experience, it's meant for KDE developers.
 @HMollerCl [CI? KCI?], CI = continuous integration
 @tsimonq2 [You don't realize that they put no actual polish into it. It's literally a Linux …], Kubuntu is Neon with stable packages and polish on the latest Ubuntu.
[19:51] <wxl> any distribution is nothing more than a particular build/selection of software
 Hi @acheronuk thansk, I have you as a KDE expert. Have you faced the libreoffice tooltip issue?
 @HMollerCl https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/kci/
 @HMollerCl [Hi @acheronuk thansk, I have you as a KDE expert. Have you faced the libreoffice …], what issue?
[19:53] <wxl> https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kdeneon "KDE neon is a Ubuntu-based Linux distribution"
 @acheronuk [what issue?], when hoveringover toolbar button, tooltip does not appear or flicker. https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/9mqmxk/question_about_libreoffice_tooltips_not_showing/
[19:53] <wxl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_neon "KDE neon is a set of software repositories for Ubuntu long-term support (LTS) releases with latest 64-bit version of KDE desktop and applications.[3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] It is also the name given to a Ubuntu LTS-based Linux distribution that utilizes said repositories"
[19:54] <wxl> and furthermore "A Linux distribution (often abbreviated as distro) is an operating system made from a software collection, which is based upon the Linux kernel and, often, a package management system" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution
[19:54] <wxl> you may not LIKE neon, but it is a distro
 Settle this @acheronuk, is Neon a distro?
 :P
 @tsimonq2 @wxl apparently this solve the issue https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/merge_requests/374
[19:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T163: LibreOffice blinking buttons and description on hover] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T163#3368
 @tsimonq2 [Settle this @acheronuk, is Neon a distro?], https://neon.kde.org/faq#is-it-a-distro ... "Not quite, ...."
[19:58] <wxl> on the other hand "We recommend that you install a fresh KDE neon from the provided ISO images. But you can indeed add an APT repository to switch from Kubuntu to KDE neon. This is absolutely not tested or supported"
 No but I'm right
 :P
[19:59] <wxl> nope
[19:59] <wxl> by definition, you're not
 So can anyone make a task for Tuesday's meeting for thanksgiving week?
 @HMollerCl [Hi @acheronuk thansk, I have you as a KDE expert. Have you faced the libreoffice …], on what release?
 Cosmic
 @Wafficus [So can anyone make a task for Tuesday's meeting for thanksgiving week?], I can
 @acheronuk [on what release?], Apparently is because libgtk-3-0 which changes from 3.22 in bionic to 3.24 in cosmic
 so cosmic
 Yeah, I can see that in cosmic
 Thanks, good to know. Apparently it doesn't happen in Ubuntu
 "Since 14d22cb3, GTK reads the setting gtk-cursor-theme-size when it's about to show a tooltip. This works if you're running a full GNOME session, but may not work on "lightweight" setups." so we Lubuntu Kubuntu miight have to lobby for the solution to be merged
 bug link in launchpad?
 haven't found it
 this is the gitlab bug https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/issues/1371
 maybe in xubuntu happens too.
 nice!
 @kc2bez you said this thing didn't happen in your kubuntu, was it bionic?
 @HMollerCl [@kc2bez you said this thing didn't happen in your kubuntu, was it bionic?], It may have been, unfortunately I don't remember. It was on a VM I had at work.
 ok, thaks, but with Rik info is enough i think.
 tooltips on gedit in Kubuntu cosmic work ok
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/WYRNJsW7/file_4774.mp4
 mmm, strange
 in Glade too.
 (works ok)
 Weird question but didn't know if it was a bug I noticed with cosmic on my new ThinkPad or if it's the laptop, it's way to easy to accidentally click and hold an active program on the task bar and if you let it go it ends the process
 Is there any way I can disable that?
 Super annoying on a laptop and hard to describe but also mention it since idk if it's a bug
 on pdfShuffler arso works ok the tooltip.
 something odd with libreoffice then
 @acheronuk [something odd with libreoffice then], the workaraound mentioned in the bug of adding gtk-cursor-theme-size = 16 to ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini works
 maybe the other programms use another way for the tooltip. After all lo w/o libreoffice-kde5 (or libreoffice-gtk3) doesn't have the problem
[20:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T163: LibreOffice blinking buttons and description on hover] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T163#3369
[20:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3d6c600d81ac: Add power management charing info to a laptop] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3d6c600d81ac
[20:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc85b4c7fc3be: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://phab.lubuntu.me:2222/source/lubuntu-manual] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc85b4c7fc3be
[21:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6339fa8e94f5: Add connection info to nm-tray] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6339fa8e94f5
[21:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL285ed2ec4546: Add discharging icon descritption] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL285ed2ec4546
[21:40] <tsimonq2> wxl: So, you haven't grabbed a Lubuntu or Kubuntu daily since the 5th, right?
[21:40] <tsimonq2> At least, from cdimage.ubuntu.com.
[21:40] <tsimonq2> Go to both and tell me what's wrong.
[21:41] <tsimonq2> (I haven't either, I just discovered this... :P)
[21:41] <wxl> the css?
[21:41] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[21:41] <tsimonq2> Kubuntu's is worse.
[21:41] <tsimonq2> This bad boy: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline/revision/1752
[21:41] <tsimonq2> I'm fixing now.
[21:41]  * wxl shrugs
[21:41] <tsimonq2> It's baaaad.
[21:41] <tsimonq2> Compare it to the 18.10 one.
[21:41] <tsimonq2> Raf would throw up.
[21:42]  * wxl shrugs
 question, the xdg files are read when a new user is created or everytime a new session is open or other?
[21:55] <wxl> it can be both
 sighs
[22:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTSUDOPACKAGING068d5bf3697a: Strip environment in lxqt-sudo to leave only required environment variables to…] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTSUDOPACKAGING068d5bf3697a