| saptech | wxl, thanks for the reply. around September I installed 18.04, don't remember seeing it or not. I've since upgraded to 18.10 | 00:02 |
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| wxl | saptech: that also may be an additional confounding factor. you basically have lxqt installed on top of lxde. that's going to be.. problematic. | 00:02 |
| saptech | hmmm, I thought I followed a guide on upgrading | 00:04 |
| wxl | which one? there's one that will get you close to what 18.10 should be, but even then may have some rough edges | 00:06 |
| saptech | let me go through bookmarks | 00:06 |
| saptech | I guess I didn't bookmark it | 00:10 |
| saptech | wxl, this is not it but it was similar to these instructions | 00:11 |
| saptech | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CosmicCuttlefish/ReleaseNotes | 00:11 |
| saptech | "Upgrading from Ubuntu 18.04" section | 00:11 |
| wxl | that's not for lubuntu | 00:12 |
| wxl | did you read the release notes for 18.10 *l*ubuntu? | 00:12 |
| saptech | yes | 00:13 |
| wxl | you didn't see the big warning at the top? | 00:14 |
| saptech | here is link | 00:14 |
| saptech | https://manual.lubuntu.me/D/upgrading.html | 00:14 |
| wxl | "The most major and notable problem is that upgrading Lubuntu from 18.04 to 18.10 causes a fair amount of issues. Therefore, we are not officially supporting this upgrade path at this time, however we have prepared a page in the Lubuntu Manual which can help address the problems that arise after the upgrade." | 00:15 |
| saptech | upgrade from commandline section | 00:15 |
| wxl | ^^ from the release notes | 00:15 |
| saptech | ok | 00:15 |
| saptech | well my issue is that virtual keyboard | 00:15 |
| wxl | note "can help" and not "works flawlessly" | 00:15 |
| wxl | i would look into the way ibus and/or fcitx is setup | 00:16 |
| saptech | ok | 00:16 |
| saptech | looking through the link on upgrading, it mention removing some programs, assuming most are lxde programs | 00:20 |
| saptech | it mentions xfburn, what replacing it? | 00:20 |
| wxl | they're all *gtk* programs | 00:23 |
| saptech | yes, but I can't find a replacement for xfburn | 00:23 |
| saptech | would I need to install one? | 00:24 |
| wxl | i'm pretty sure we have one just don't remember what it was | 00:24 |
| wxl | k3b | 00:25 |
| xdruppi | hi i got this warning while running apt-get upgrade https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KcmvFVZGmh/ | 06:02 |
| xdruppi | i was wondering if it's seomthing i should be worried about | 06:02 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | so why does the new lubuntu 18.10 LXQt variant download with missing tools? | 08:44 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | no ifconfig, not sure how to get the address to wifi in the new old school terminal configuration for networking | 08:45 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | no ethernet cable at disposal | 08:46 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | connecting to wifi on lxde was not as problematic as this new LXQt | 08:46 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | on this IBM thinkpad r40 | 08:46 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | not even a network setting option in the freakin configuration center | 08:47 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | looks like someone in lubuntu's dev team hates connections to non broadcasting wifi channels | 08:48 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | well, tried connecting to a foreign wifi channel, copied the device address to my connection profile, and its not connecting to the non broadcasting wifi channel >.< | 08:50 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | is this new release even stable? | 09:02 |
| Shawn|HD5650M | why is there no 18.10 LXDE variant? | 09:37 |
| Shawn|HD5650M | at least it supports a P4M | 09:41 |
| Shawn|HD5650M | Pentium 4m | 09:41 |
| guiverc | as I stated in #ubuntu - LXDE is pretty much dead (it continues). LXQT works on pentium M, pentium 4 - I've tested it on QA-testing (i386) including 19.04 Lubuntu | 09:44 |
| guiverc | ifconfig has been relegated for ages (you can download it if you want; but it's not been a default for some time; ip addr; ip link, ip route etc. has been default) | 09:45 |
| guiverc | i tested 18.10 (& now 19.04) on thinkpad t43; but thinkpads of a single model didn't all have the same wifi cards added (they were options; 3 available for t43 for exampple; at least two for my r50p; I can connect to hidden wifi on 18.10 & 19.04, but it's likely related to your chipset used by wifi | 09:48 |
| guiverc | Shawn|HD5650M, this may help with 'newer' (GNU/Linux; it's not just Lubuntu) network config commands - https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html.en (ps: yeah I hated changing too...) | 09:54 |
| Shawn|HM55 | I gave up on 18.10, and went back to 18.04 | 09:57 |
| Shawn|HM55 | to me 18.10 LXQt is crap for old machines | 09:57 |
| guiverc | Shawn|HM55, if I may ask, how much ram do you have? | 09:58 |
| Shawn|HM55 | 2GB | 10:03 |
| guiverc | either way, Lubuntu 18.04 LTS gives you three years of support (from 2018.April) anyway... I find LXQt (Lubuntu) runs fine on 1gb pentium m in my QA-testing.. however I avoided testing it with GTK+ programs (ie. old LXDE or gnome lib apps) as that'd need extra ram (like running Qt apps on a LXDE machine) | 10:03 |
| Shawn|HM55 | I like GTK+ programs, they run fine | 10:03 |
| Shawn|HM55 | I maxed the ram on this IBM Thinkpad R40 | 10:04 |
| Shawn|HM55 | I even upgraded the optical drive to a floppy drive :3 | 10:04 |
| guiverc | LXDE may be better for you; LXQt desktop will use Qt libs, so you'd be wasting ram running GTK+ based apps on LXQt (of course waste will vary on app) | 10:04 |
| Shawn|HM55 | how long till the problems with LXQt be fixed? | 10:05 |
| Shawn|HM55 | for some reason, the installer window, during install only showed up black for me | 10:08 |
| Shawn|HM55 | wouldn't show a status like LXDE | 10:08 |
| guiverc | what problems? LXQt is stable & default from 18.10 onwards. (https://lubuntu.me/cosmic-released/) | 10:08 |
| Shawn|HM55 | well, they took away the connect to hidden wifi channels option | 10:08 |
| Shawn|HM55 | which pits me | 10:08 |
| Shawn|HM55 | 18.04 LXDE runs on hidden wifi fine | 10:09 |
| guiverc | The different wifi-widget thingy (sorry not sure of name) I took some getting used to also (LXQt/18.10), but I found it worked fine was I worked out my wifi's network name.. | 10:09 |
| Shawn|HM55 | do you run hidden wifi? | 10:10 |
| guiverc | ps: my network has a hidden ssid too | 10:10 |
| Shawn|HM55 | how the hell did you get it to work? | 10:10 |
| Shawn|HM55 | I copied the wifi device address, and plugged it into my new wifi profile, with everything | 10:11 |
| Shawn|HM55 | it refused to take a connection | 10:11 |
| guiverc | if you give me time, I wrote some notes I can upload to somewhere.. | 10:12 |
| Shawn|HM55 | okay | 10:12 |
| guiverc | http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KT36dw58tb/ | 10:12 |
| Shawn|HM55 | I prefer the new LXQt theme too, not too bright, and very size comfortable | 10:12 |
| Shawn|HM55 | whats ncurses? | 10:13 |
| Shawn|HM55 | you entered wlp3s3, without the serial address? | 10:13 |
| guiverc | i wrote it as a possible first-draft for lubuntu.me (or wiki etc), but it wasn't wanted.. (lubuntu 18.10) .. ncurses is (new curses) is a toolkit to move cursor & draw neat boxes & stuff on a terminal screen (curses I learnt at uni long ago (1980s)) | 10:14 |
| Shawn|HM55 | why post your wifi pass D: | 10:15 |
| guiverc | yep - wlp3s3 is what my dell d610 laptop has as it's device name (and no that's not my password; it was chosen as it was to be read as if it was a password) | 10:15 |
| Shawn|HM55 | oh xD | 10:16 |
| Shawn|HM55 | when I tried to highlight with my keys it closed the terminal session >.< | 10:17 |
| Shawn|HM55 | so I just used the trackpad | 10:17 |
| guiverc | I use only the joystick thingy | 10:17 |
| Shawn|HM55 | your lucky you got that nice network connection notification :P | 10:17 |
| Shawn|HM55 | the nipple? | 10:18 |
| Shawn|HM55 | I have a keyboard nipple too | 10:18 |
| guiverc | (and tab a lot) - yeah nipple.. | 10:18 |
| Shawn|HM55 | lol | 10:18 |
| Shawn|HM55 | its very sensitive | 10:18 |
| Shawn|HM55 | so, is Qt superior to LXDE? | 10:22 |
| Shawn|HM55 | in performance on older machines? | 10:22 |
| guiverc | Qt is a toolkit like GTK+ is... Each has it's pro's & con's. As a user, you're likely to not care; and what will matter most to you is the apps you want to use are written for that toolkit (esp. with limited ram; ie. <4gb) | 10:23 |
| Shawn|HM55 | ah | 10:24 |
| Shawn|HM55 | wonder how many GTK programs will be ported to Qt | 10:24 |
| guiverc | Qt is used by KDE, and Android. It's corporate owned (but free for GNU/Linux, not free for phones/tablets, or windows). GTK+ is GNU based (for ethical reasons, they didn't like a company owning Qt) | 10:24 |
| guiverc | the word free I used then is more $cost free (not debian's free versus non-free) | 10:25 |
| Shawn|HM55 | ah | 10:25 |
| guiverc | (though of course, it was the free versus non-free as used by debian that caused gimp-toolkit (gtk) to become gtk+ (gimp-gnome-gnu toolkit) ... etc) | 10:26 |
| guiverc | historical stuff you can ignore .. I'm old & like my history :) | 10:27 |
| Shawn|HM55 | well, I will try again tomorrow when I wake up | 10:27 |
| Shawn|HM55 | it seems the installation on this new to me PATA HDD is not working as expected | 10:28 |
| Shawn|HM55 | being larger capacity | 10:28 |
| Shawn|HM55 | 40GB instead of 30GB | 10:28 |
| guiverc | Good luck - and enjoy whichever you decide to use. | 10:28 |
| Shawn|HM55 | PATA SSD's are expensive ._. | 10:28 |
| guiverc | my machines still have spinning-rust (not ssd) | 10:29 |
| Shawn|HM55 | they aren't rusting | 10:29 |
| Shawn|HM55 | one day I may afford buying a PATA SSD for this machine :3 | 10:29 |
| guiverc | i haven't used a r40(p) in a long-long time.. I loved it; so I can't recall issues with bios & disk space sorry.. | 10:31 |
| guiverc | also re: this room, some of the main people in this room are US based; so are sleeping right now (why it's quiet), [I'm in au] | 10:34 |
| Shawn|HM55 | gnight folks | 10:35 |
| guiverc | night :) | 10:35 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | anyone here have trouble with a WPA2 personal AES hidden broadcast connection on the new lubuntu? | 21:20 |
| tsimonq2 | Not at all. | 21:21 |
| tsimonq2 | Works fine here. | 21:21 |
| wxl | you're using aes? | 21:21 |
| tsimonq2 | I think so | 21:21 |
| tsimonq2 | Dunno, it's hidden WPA2 personal :) | 21:21 |
| tsimonq2 | I don't know much about networking yet | 21:22 |
| tsimonq2 | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 21:22 |
| wxl | there's aes, tkip, or both essentially | 21:22 |
| wxl | might be reasonable to check what your router is serving up | 21:22 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | tea | 21:47 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | *yea | 21:47 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | when I try to connect, by adding my own wifi network connection profile, it doesn't try to automatically connect | 21:48 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | wxl, I tried connecting with what I have always been able to connect with in lubuntu 18.04 | 21:48 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | for the installer in 18.10, is it supposed to show a black screen during install? | 21:49 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | or a black window | 21:49 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | not a black screen | 21:49 |
| wxl | nope. might be a graphics issue. you may need to install the proprietary drivers to get wireless and graphics to work properly. to be fair, it's a common issue Shawn|i3-350M. proprietary software sucks. | 21:54 |
| guiverc | Shawn|i3-350M, after I enter details (of new wifi), I then left click the icon [bottom left] & select the created profile on the networking widget | 21:55 |
| guiverc | (first time only anyway) | 21:55 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | wireless drivers are working | 22:09 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | qualcomm altheros chipset in my laptop is using the ath5 drivers | 22:09 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | what has changed with graphical drivers between 18.04 and 18.10 | 22:10 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | *atheros | 22:12 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | okay that was weird, I went fullscreen, and the window is readable now | 22:13 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | set up the profile after installing to the hdd, no connect attempt made | 22:43 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | is there a setting I have to check somewhere to tell it its hidden? | 22:43 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | ath5k* | 22:54 |
| guiverc | Shawn|i3-350M, I didn't tell mine it was a hidden ssid; just made sure the details I entered were correct.. | 22:58 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | well my details are correct | 23:01 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | I tried changing from client to access point, still no network movement | 23:01 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | why do they throw WPA and WPA2 into the same thing, that should not be done! | 23:05 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | it aint even trying to use WPA2 | 23:06 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | I guess what the devs have changed betweeo 18.04 and 18.10 is extremely mysterious | 23:09 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | *between | 23:09 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | or beyond mystery | 23:09 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | is there something someone may want me to pastebin for helping me figure out? | 23:10 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | it says Security: wpa-psk, which is very incorrect | 23:20 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | I might as well downgrade, since I can't fix it | 23:26 |
| guiverc | sorry Shawn|i3-350M, I'm only sometimes around, but I rarely use wireless so have never learnt it (beyond the notes of what worked for me) | 23:29 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | oh -_- | 23:30 |
| Shawn|i3-350M | I tried using nmcli, and no avail either | 23:31 |
| guiverc | if you `lshw -C network` (list hardware class networking) does it look like you're using the correct 'driver' for your chipset; the same as detected & used by 18.04 for example (none of my current machines have wifi so I can't advise currently or compare) | 23:32 |
| guiverc | ps: you may need `sudo lshw -C network` | 23:33 |
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