[00:02] wxl, thanks for the reply. around September I installed 18.04, don't remember seeing it or not. I've since upgraded to 18.10 [00:02] saptech: that also may be an additional confounding factor. you basically have lxqt installed on top of lxde. that's going to be.. problematic. [00:04] hmmm, I thought I followed a guide on upgrading [00:06] which one? there's one that will get you close to what 18.10 should be, but even then may have some rough edges [00:06] let me go through bookmarks [00:10] I guess I didn't bookmark it [00:11] wxl, this is not it but it was similar to these instructions [00:11] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CosmicCuttlefish/ReleaseNotes [00:11] "Upgrading from Ubuntu 18.04" section [00:12] that's not for lubuntu [00:12] did you read the release notes for 18.10 *l*ubuntu? [00:13] yes [00:14] you didn't see the big warning at the top? [00:14] here is link [00:14] https://manual.lubuntu.me/D/upgrading.html [00:15] "The most major and notable problem is that upgrading Lubuntu from 18.04 to 18.10 causes a fair amount of issues. Therefore, we are not officially supporting this upgrade path at this time, however we have prepared a page in the Lubuntu Manual which can help address the problems that arise after the upgrade." [00:15] upgrade from commandline section [00:15] ^^ from the release notes [00:15] ok [00:15] well my issue is that virtual keyboard [00:15] note "can help" and not "works flawlessly" [00:16] i would look into the way ibus and/or fcitx is setup [00:16] ok [00:20] looking through the link on upgrading, it mention removing some programs, assuming most are lxde programs [00:20] it mentions xfburn, what replacing it? [00:23] they're all *gtk* programs [00:23] yes, but I can't find a replacement for xfburn [00:24] would I need to install one? [00:24] i'm pretty sure we have one just don't remember what it was [00:25] k3b [06:02] hi i got this warning while running apt-get upgrade https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KcmvFVZGmh/ [06:02] i was wondering if it's seomthing i should be worried about [08:44] so why does the new lubuntu 18.10 LXQt variant download with missing tools? [08:45] no ifconfig, not sure how to get the address to wifi in the new old school terminal configuration for networking [08:46] no ethernet cable at disposal [08:46] connecting to wifi on lxde was not as problematic as this new LXQt [08:46] on this IBM thinkpad r40 [08:47] not even a network setting option in the freakin configuration center [08:48] looks like someone in lubuntu's dev team hates connections to non broadcasting wifi channels [08:50] well, tried connecting to a foreign wifi channel, copied the device address to my connection profile, and its not connecting to the non broadcasting wifi channel >.< [09:02] is this new release even stable? [09:37] why is there no 18.10 LXDE variant? [09:41] at least it supports a P4M [09:41] Pentium 4m [09:44] as I stated in #ubuntu - LXDE is pretty much dead (it continues). LXQT works on pentium M, pentium 4 - I've tested it on QA-testing (i386) including 19.04 Lubuntu [09:45] ifconfig has been relegated for ages (you can download it if you want; but it's not been a default for some time; ip addr; ip link, ip route etc. has been default) [09:48] i tested 18.10 (& now 19.04) on thinkpad t43; but thinkpads of a single model didn't all have the same wifi cards added (they were options; 3 available for t43 for exampple; at least two for my r50p; I can connect to hidden wifi on 18.10 & 19.04, but it's likely related to your chipset used by wifi [09:54] Shawn|HD5650M, this may help with 'newer' (GNU/Linux; it's not just Lubuntu) network config commands - https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html.en (ps: yeah I hated changing too...) [09:57] I gave up on 18.10, and went back to 18.04 [09:57] to me 18.10 LXQt is crap for old machines [09:58] Shawn|HM55, if I may ask, how much ram do you have? [10:03] 2GB [10:03] either way, Lubuntu 18.04 LTS gives you three years of support (from 2018.April) anyway... I find LXQt (Lubuntu) runs fine on 1gb pentium m in my QA-testing.. however I avoided testing it with GTK+ programs (ie. old LXDE or gnome lib apps) as that'd need extra ram (like running Qt apps on a LXDE machine) [10:03] I like GTK+ programs, they run fine [10:04] I maxed the ram on this IBM Thinkpad R40 [10:04] I even upgraded the optical drive to a floppy drive :3 [10:04] LXDE may be better for you; LXQt desktop will use Qt libs, so you'd be wasting ram running GTK+ based apps on LXQt (of course waste will vary on app) [10:05] how long till the problems with LXQt be fixed? [10:08] for some reason, the installer window, during install only showed up black for me [10:08] wouldn't show a status like LXDE [10:08] what problems? LXQt is stable & default from 18.10 onwards. (https://lubuntu.me/cosmic-released/) [10:08] well, they took away the connect to hidden wifi channels option [10:08] which pits me [10:09] 18.04 LXDE runs on hidden wifi fine [10:09] The different wifi-widget thingy (sorry not sure of name) I took some getting used to also (LXQt/18.10), but I found it worked fine was I worked out my wifi's network name.. [10:10] do you run hidden wifi? [10:10] ps: my network has a hidden ssid too [10:10] how the hell did you get it to work? [10:11] I copied the wifi device address, and plugged it into my new wifi profile, with everything [10:11] it refused to take a connection [10:12] if you give me time, I wrote some notes I can upload to somewhere.. [10:12] okay [10:12] http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KT36dw58tb/ [10:12] I prefer the new LXQt theme too, not too bright, and very size comfortable [10:13] whats ncurses? [10:13] you entered wlp3s3, without the serial address? [10:14] i wrote it as a possible first-draft for lubuntu.me (or wiki etc), but it wasn't wanted.. (lubuntu 18.10) .. ncurses is (new curses) is a toolkit to move cursor & draw neat boxes & stuff on a terminal screen (curses I learnt at uni long ago (1980s)) [10:15] why post your wifi pass D: [10:15] yep - wlp3s3 is what my dell d610 laptop has as it's device name (and no that's not my password; it was chosen as it was to be read as if it was a password) [10:16] oh xD [10:17] when I tried to highlight with my keys it closed the terminal session >.< [10:17] so I just used the trackpad [10:17] I use only the joystick thingy [10:17] your lucky you got that nice network connection notification :P [10:18] the nipple? [10:18] I have a keyboard nipple too [10:18] (and tab a lot) - yeah nipple.. [10:18] lol [10:18] its very sensitive [10:22] so, is Qt superior to LXDE? [10:22] in performance on older machines? [10:23] Qt is a toolkit like GTK+ is... Each has it's pro's & con's. As a user, you're likely to not care; and what will matter most to you is the apps you want to use are written for that toolkit (esp. with limited ram; ie. <4gb) [10:24] ah [10:24] wonder how many GTK programs will be ported to Qt [10:24] Qt is used by KDE, and Android. It's corporate owned (but free for GNU/Linux, not free for phones/tablets, or windows). GTK+ is GNU based (for ethical reasons, they didn't like a company owning Qt) [10:25] the word free I used then is more $cost free (not debian's free versus non-free) [10:25] ah [10:26] (though of course, it was the free versus non-free as used by debian that caused gimp-toolkit (gtk) to become gtk+ (gimp-gnome-gnu toolkit) ... etc) [10:27] historical stuff you can ignore .. I'm old & like my history :) [10:27] well, I will try again tomorrow when I wake up [10:28] it seems the installation on this new to me PATA HDD is not working as expected [10:28] being larger capacity [10:28] 40GB instead of 30GB [10:28] Good luck - and enjoy whichever you decide to use. [10:28] PATA SSD's are expensive ._. [10:29] my machines still have spinning-rust (not ssd) [10:29] they aren't rusting [10:29] one day I may afford buying a PATA SSD for this machine :3 [10:31] i haven't used a r40(p) in a long-long time.. I loved it; so I can't recall issues with bios & disk space sorry.. [10:34] also re: this room, some of the main people in this room are US based; so are sleeping right now (why it's quiet), [I'm in au] [10:35] gnight folks [10:35] night :) [21:20] anyone here have trouble with a WPA2 personal AES hidden broadcast connection on the new lubuntu? [21:21] Not at all. [21:21] Works fine here. [21:21] you're using aes? [21:21] I think so [21:21] Dunno, it's hidden WPA2 personal :) [21:22] I don't know much about networking yet [21:22] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [21:22] there's aes, tkip, or both essentially [21:22] might be reasonable to check what your router is serving up [21:47] tea [21:47] *yea [21:48] when I try to connect, by adding my own wifi network connection profile, it doesn't try to automatically connect [21:48] wxl, I tried connecting with what I have always been able to connect with in lubuntu 18.04 [21:49] for the installer in 18.10, is it supposed to show a black screen during install? [21:49] or a black window [21:49] not a black screen [21:54] nope. might be a graphics issue. you may need to install the proprietary drivers to get wireless and graphics to work properly. to be fair, it's a common issue Shawn|i3-350M. proprietary software sucks. [21:55] Shawn|i3-350M, after I enter details (of new wifi), I then left click the icon [bottom left] & select the created profile on the networking widget [21:55] (first time only anyway) [22:09] wireless drivers are working [22:09] qualcomm altheros chipset in my laptop is using the ath5 drivers [22:10] what has changed with graphical drivers between 18.04 and 18.10 [22:12] *atheros [22:13] okay that was weird, I went fullscreen, and the window is readable now [22:43] set up the profile after installing to the hdd, no connect attempt made [22:43] is there a setting I have to check somewhere to tell it its hidden? [22:54] ath5k* [22:58] Shawn|i3-350M, I didn't tell mine it was a hidden ssid; just made sure the details I entered were correct.. [23:01] well my details are correct [23:01] I tried changing from client to access point, still no network movement [23:05] why do they throw WPA and WPA2 into the same thing, that should not be done! [23:06] it aint even trying to use WPA2 [23:09] I guess what the devs have changed betweeo 18.04 and 18.10 is extremely mysterious [23:09] *between [23:09] or beyond mystery [23:10] is there something someone may want me to pastebin for helping me figure out? [23:20] it says Security: wpa-psk, which is very incorrect [23:26] I might as well downgrade, since I can't fix it [23:29] sorry Shawn|i3-350M, I'm only sometimes around, but I rarely use wireless so have never learnt it (beyond the notes of what worked for me) [23:30] oh -_- [23:31] I tried using nmcli, and no avail either [23:32] if you `lshw -C network` (list hardware class networking) does it look like you're using the correct 'driver' for your chipset; the same as detected & used by 18.04 for example (none of my current machines have wifi so I can't advise currently or compare) [23:33] ps: you may need `sudo lshw -C network`