[00:02] <saptech> wxl, thanks for the reply. around September I installed 18.04, don't remember seeing it or not. I've since upgraded to 18.10
[00:02] <wxl> saptech: that also may be an additional confounding factor. you basically have lxqt installed on top of lxde. that's going to be.. problematic.
[00:04] <saptech> hmmm, I thought I followed a guide on upgrading
[00:06] <wxl> which one? there's one that will get you close to what 18.10 should be, but even then may have some rough edges
[00:06] <saptech> let me go through bookmarks
[00:10] <saptech> I guess I didn't bookmark it
[00:11] <saptech> wxl, this is not it but it was similar to these instructions
[00:11] <saptech> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CosmicCuttlefish/ReleaseNotes
[00:11] <saptech> "Upgrading from Ubuntu 18.04" section
[00:12] <wxl> that's not for lubuntu
[00:12] <wxl> did you read the release notes for 18.10 *l*ubuntu?
[00:13] <saptech> yes
[00:14] <wxl> you didn't see the big warning at the top?
[00:14] <saptech> here is link
[00:14] <saptech> https://manual.lubuntu.me/D/upgrading.html
[00:15] <wxl> "The most major and notable problem is that upgrading Lubuntu from 18.04 to 18.10 causes a fair amount of issues. Therefore, we are not officially supporting this upgrade path at this time, however we have prepared a page in the Lubuntu Manual which can help address the problems that arise after the upgrade."
[00:15] <saptech> upgrade from commandline section
[00:15] <wxl> ^^ from the release notes
[00:15] <saptech> ok
[00:15] <saptech> well my issue is that virtual keyboard
[00:15] <wxl> note "can help" and not "works flawlessly"
[00:16] <wxl> i would look into the way ibus and/or fcitx is setup
[00:16] <saptech> ok
[00:20] <saptech> looking through the link on upgrading, it mention removing some programs, assuming most are lxde programs
[00:20] <saptech> it mentions xfburn, what replacing it?
[00:23] <wxl> they're all *gtk* programs
[00:23] <saptech> yes, but I can't find a replacement for xfburn
[00:24] <saptech> would I need to install one?
[00:24] <wxl> i'm pretty sure we have one just don't remember what it was
[00:25] <wxl> k3b
[06:02] <xdruppi> hi i got this warning while running apt-get upgrade https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KcmvFVZGmh/
[06:02] <xdruppi> i was wondering if it's seomthing i should be worried about
[08:44] <Shawn|i3-350M> so why does the new lubuntu 18.10 LXQt variant download with missing tools?
[08:45] <Shawn|i3-350M> no ifconfig, not sure how to get the address to wifi in the new old school terminal configuration for networking
[08:46] <Shawn|i3-350M> no ethernet cable at disposal
[08:46] <Shawn|i3-350M> connecting to wifi on lxde was not as problematic as this new LXQt
[08:46] <Shawn|i3-350M> on this IBM thinkpad r40
[08:47] <Shawn|i3-350M> not even a network setting option in the freakin configuration center
[08:48] <Shawn|i3-350M> looks like someone in lubuntu's dev team hates connections to non broadcasting wifi channels
[08:50] <Shawn|i3-350M> well, tried connecting to a foreign wifi channel, copied the device address to my connection profile, and its not connecting to the non broadcasting wifi channel >.<
[09:02] <Shawn|i3-350M> is this new release even stable?
[09:37] <Shawn|HD5650M> why is there no 18.10 LXDE variant?
[09:41] <Shawn|HD5650M> at least it supports a P4M
[09:41] <Shawn|HD5650M> Pentium 4m
[09:44] <guiverc> as I stated in #ubuntu - LXDE is pretty much dead (it continues).   LXQT works on pentium M, pentium 4 - I've tested it on QA-testing (i386) including 19.04 Lubuntu
[09:45] <guiverc> ifconfig has been relegated for ages (you can download it if you want; but it's not been a default for some time; ip addr; ip link, ip route etc. has been default)
[09:48] <guiverc> i tested 18.10 (& now 19.04) on thinkpad t43; but thinkpads of a single model didn't all have the same wifi cards added (they were options; 3 available for t43 for exampple; at least two for my r50p;  I can connect to hidden wifi on 18.10 & 19.04, but it's likely related to your chipset used by wifi
[09:54] <guiverc> Shawn|HD5650M, this may help with 'newer' (GNU/Linux; it's not just Lubuntu) network config commands - https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html.en   (ps:  yeah I hated changing too...)
[09:57] <Shawn|HM55> I gave up on 18.10, and went back to 18.04
[09:57] <Shawn|HM55> to me 18.10 LXQt is crap for old machines
[09:58] <guiverc> Shawn|HM55, if I may ask, how much ram do you have?
[10:03] <Shawn|HM55> 2GB
[10:03] <guiverc> either way, Lubuntu 18.04 LTS gives you three years of support (from 2018.April) anyway...  I find LXQt (Lubuntu) runs fine on 1gb pentium m in my QA-testing..  however I avoided testing it with GTK+ programs (ie. old LXDE or gnome lib apps) as that'd need extra ram (like running Qt apps on a LXDE machine)
[10:03] <Shawn|HM55> I like GTK+ programs, they run fine
[10:04] <Shawn|HM55> I maxed the ram on this IBM Thinkpad R40
[10:04] <Shawn|HM55> I even upgraded the optical drive to a floppy drive :3
[10:04] <guiverc> LXDE may be better for you; LXQt desktop will use Qt libs, so you'd be wasting ram running GTK+ based apps on LXQt  (of course waste will vary on app)
[10:05] <Shawn|HM55> how long till the problems with LXQt be fixed?
[10:08] <Shawn|HM55> for some reason, the installer window, during install only showed up black for me
[10:08] <Shawn|HM55> wouldn't show a status like LXDE
[10:08] <guiverc> what problems?   LXQt is stable & default from 18.10 onwards.  (https://lubuntu.me/cosmic-released/)
[10:08] <Shawn|HM55> well, they took away the connect to hidden wifi channels option
[10:08] <Shawn|HM55> which pits me
[10:09] <Shawn|HM55> 18.04 LXDE runs on hidden wifi fine
[10:09] <guiverc> The different wifi-widget thingy (sorry not sure of name) I took some getting used to also (LXQt/18.10), but I found it worked fine was I worked out my wifi's network name..
[10:10] <Shawn|HM55> do you run hidden wifi?
[10:10] <guiverc> ps: my network has a hidden ssid too
[10:10] <Shawn|HM55> how the hell did you get it to work?
[10:11] <Shawn|HM55> I copied the wifi device address, and plugged it into my new wifi profile, with everything
[10:11] <Shawn|HM55> it refused to take a connection
[10:12] <guiverc> if you give me time, I wrote some notes I can upload to somewhere..
[10:12] <Shawn|HM55> okay
[10:12] <guiverc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KT36dw58tb/
[10:12] <Shawn|HM55> I prefer the new LXQt theme too, not too bright, and very size comfortable
[10:13] <Shawn|HM55> whats ncurses?
[10:13] <Shawn|HM55> you entered wlp3s3, without the serial address?
[10:14] <guiverc> i wrote it as a possible first-draft for lubuntu.me (or wiki etc), but it wasn't wanted..  (lubuntu 18.10)  .. ncurses is (new curses) is a toolkit to move cursor & draw neat boxes & stuff on a terminal screen (curses I learnt at uni long ago (1980s))
[10:15] <Shawn|HM55> why post your wifi pass D:
[10:15] <guiverc> yep - wlp3s3 is what my dell d610 laptop has as it's device name (and no that's not my password; it was chosen as it was to be read as if it was a password)
[10:16] <Shawn|HM55> oh xD
[10:17] <Shawn|HM55> when I tried to highlight with my keys it closed the terminal session >.<
[10:17] <Shawn|HM55> so I just used the trackpad
[10:17] <guiverc> I use only the joystick thingy
[10:17] <Shawn|HM55> your lucky you got that nice network connection notification :P
[10:18] <Shawn|HM55> the nipple?
[10:18] <Shawn|HM55> I have a keyboard nipple too
[10:18] <guiverc> (and tab a lot) - yeah nipple..
[10:18] <Shawn|HM55> lol
[10:18] <Shawn|HM55> its very sensitive
[10:22] <Shawn|HM55> so, is Qt superior to LXDE?
[10:22] <Shawn|HM55> in performance on older machines?
[10:23] <guiverc> Qt is a toolkit like GTK+ is...  Each has it's pro's & con's.   As a user, you're likely to not care; and what will matter most to you is the apps you want to use are written for that toolkit (esp. with limited ram; ie. <4gb)
[10:24] <Shawn|HM55> ah
[10:24] <Shawn|HM55> wonder how many GTK programs will be ported to Qt
[10:24] <guiverc> Qt is used by KDE, and Android.  It's corporate owned (but free for GNU/Linux, not free for phones/tablets, or windows).   GTK+ is GNU based (for ethical reasons, they didn't like a company owning Qt)
[10:25] <guiverc> the word free I used then is more $cost free (not debian's free versus non-free)
[10:25] <Shawn|HM55> ah
[10:26] <guiverc> (though of course, it was the free versus non-free as used by debian that caused gimp-toolkit (gtk) to become gtk+ (gimp-gnome-gnu toolkit) ... etc)
[10:27] <guiverc> historical stuff you can ignore .. I'm old & like my history :)
[10:27] <Shawn|HM55> well, I will try again tomorrow when I wake up
[10:28] <Shawn|HM55> it seems the installation on this new to me PATA HDD is not working as expected
[10:28] <Shawn|HM55> being larger capacity
[10:28] <Shawn|HM55> 40GB instead of 30GB
[10:28] <guiverc> Good luck - and enjoy whichever you decide to use.
[10:28] <Shawn|HM55> PATA SSD's are expensive ._.
[10:29] <guiverc> my machines still have spinning-rust  (not ssd)
[10:29] <Shawn|HM55> they aren't rusting
[10:29] <Shawn|HM55> one day I may afford buying a PATA SSD for this machine :3
[10:31] <guiverc> i haven't used a r40(p) in a long-long time.. I loved it; so I can't recall issues with bios & disk space sorry..
[10:34] <guiverc> also re: this room, some of the main people in this room are US based; so are sleeping right now (why it's quiet),  [I'm in au]
[10:35] <Shawn|HM55> gnight folks
[10:35] <guiverc> night :)
[21:20] <Shawn|i3-350M> anyone here have trouble with a WPA2 personal AES hidden broadcast connection on the new lubuntu?
[21:21] <tsimonq2> Not at all.
[21:21] <tsimonq2> Works fine here.
[21:21] <wxl> you're using aes?
[21:21] <tsimonq2> I think so
[21:21] <tsimonq2> Dunno, it's hidden WPA2 personal :)
[21:22] <tsimonq2> I don't know much about networking yet
[21:22] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[21:22] <wxl> there's aes, tkip, or both essentially
[21:22] <wxl> might be reasonable to check what your router is serving up
[21:47] <Shawn|i3-350M> tea
[21:47] <Shawn|i3-350M> *yea
[21:48] <Shawn|i3-350M> when I try to connect, by adding my own wifi network connection profile, it doesn't try to automatically connect
[21:48] <Shawn|i3-350M> wxl, I tried connecting with what I have always been able to connect with in lubuntu 18.04
[21:49] <Shawn|i3-350M> for the installer in 18.10, is it supposed to show a black screen during install?
[21:49] <Shawn|i3-350M> or a black window
[21:49] <Shawn|i3-350M> not a black screen
[21:54] <wxl> nope. might be a graphics issue. you may need to install the proprietary drivers to get wireless and graphics to work properly. to be fair, it's a common issue Shawn|i3-350M. proprietary software sucks.
[21:55] <guiverc> Shawn|i3-350M, after I enter details (of new wifi), I then left click the icon [bottom left] & select the created profile on the networking widget
[21:55] <guiverc> (first time only anyway)
[22:09] <Shawn|i3-350M> wireless drivers are working
[22:09] <Shawn|i3-350M> qualcomm altheros chipset in my laptop is using the ath5 drivers
[22:10] <Shawn|i3-350M> what has changed with graphical drivers between 18.04 and 18.10
[22:12] <Shawn|i3-350M> *atheros
[22:13] <Shawn|i3-350M> okay that was weird, I went fullscreen, and the window is readable now
[22:43] <Shawn|i3-350M> set up the profile after installing to the hdd, no connect attempt made
[22:43] <Shawn|i3-350M> is there a setting I have to check somewhere to tell it its hidden?
[22:54] <Shawn|i3-350M> ath5k*
[22:58] <guiverc> Shawn|i3-350M, I didn't tell mine it was a hidden ssid; just made sure the details I entered were correct..
[23:01] <Shawn|i3-350M> well my details are correct
[23:01] <Shawn|i3-350M> I tried changing from client to access point, still no network movement
[23:05] <Shawn|i3-350M> why do they throw WPA and WPA2 into the same thing, that should not be done!
[23:06] <Shawn|i3-350M> it aint even trying to use WPA2
[23:09] <Shawn|i3-350M> I guess what the devs have changed betweeo 18.04 and 18.10 is extremely mysterious
[23:09] <Shawn|i3-350M> *between
[23:09] <Shawn|i3-350M> or beyond mystery
[23:10] <Shawn|i3-350M> is there something someone may want me to pastebin for helping me figure out?
[23:20] <Shawn|i3-350M> it says Security: wpa-psk, which is very incorrect
[23:26] <Shawn|i3-350M> I might as well downgrade, since I can't fix it
[23:29] <guiverc> sorry Shawn|i3-350M, I'm only sometimes around, but I rarely use wireless so have never learnt it (beyond the notes of what worked for me)
[23:30] <Shawn|i3-350M> oh -_-
[23:31] <Shawn|i3-350M> I tried using nmcli, and no avail either
[23:32] <guiverc> if you `lshw -C network` (list hardware class networking) does it look like you're using the correct 'driver' for your chipset; the same as detected & used by 18.04 for example (none of my current machines have wifi so I can't advise currently or compare)
[23:33] <guiverc> ps: you may need `sudo lshw -C network`