[06:18] <flocculant> Unit193: thanks - wasn't sure
[22:10] <Unit193> knome: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ needs more Xubuntu blue.
[22:17] <ochosi> agreed
[23:41]  * genii keeps his sunglasses on for now
[23:42] <genii> Unit193: What is Disco... Disco Duck?
[23:44] <Unit193> Makes me think of a song.
[23:44] <ochosi> Unit193: do we control the content of the xfce4 package?
[23:44] <genii> Unit193: Heh, yes, that's why I'm asking
[23:45] <Unit193> I'm going to go with 'no', why?
[23:45] <ochosi> i mean, is it in our package set
[23:45] <ochosi> well it still suggests stuff like gtk3-engines-xfce (which shouldn't even be a thing anymore)
[23:45]  * genii heads back to the coffeepot
[23:45] <ochosi> and includes "orage" for whatever obscure reason
[23:45] <ochosi> while only suggesting xfce4-power-manager
[23:45] <ochosi> that feels a little odd
[23:46] <Unit193> orage is an Xfce thing, soo.
[23:46] <ochosi> yeah, not a core thing though
[23:46] <ochosi> it's also a very unmaintained thing
[23:46] <ochosi> while tumbler isn't even in recommends or suggests
[23:46] <ochosi> or does thunar pull that in anyway?
[23:46] <Unit193> ...That's not even in xfce4-goodies, odd.
[23:47] <ochosi> tango-icon-theme is also a bit... dated
[23:47] <Unit193> ochosi: If things are way out of whack (like engines and orage), then yeah we can propose to Debian.
[23:47] <ochosi> that'd be nice
[23:47] <Unit193> Tango is what xfce4-settings defaults to (in Debian)
[23:48] <ochosi> humm
[23:48] <ochosi> i'd rather we default to something else
[23:48] <ochosi> almost anything really :p
[23:48] <Unit193> Basically: Xubuntu doesn't really care about it, but we can upload to it.  If we make a lot of changes, it doesn't really get us anything since we don't use it and buys us a lot of merging later on.  If the changes make sense outside of Xubuntu, then that's different.
[23:48] <ochosi> (sry, i know i'm late to the party with suddenly getting interested in distro defaults)
[23:49] <ochosi> yeah, i'm trying to think about the latter
[23:49] <Unit193> I've proposed greybird and elementary-xfce, but not pushed on it.
[23:49] <ochosi> i noticed how shitty the xfce experience is in fedora
[23:49] <ochosi> so i've started working on a new default panel layout and stuff
[23:49] <Unit193> "It's what the Xfce site has screenshots of" was my main reasoning.
[23:50] <ochosi> i'll also go through other apps and update the defaults
[23:50] <ochosi> so e.g. the primary display feature is enabled in both panel and xfdesktop
[23:50] <ochosi> cause that's what people would expect, i guess