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xdruppihello, since there's not a manpage on initramfs, can I ask someone what is it?05:21
wxlit's the initial filesystem into which the kernel modules are loaded05:22
wxlyou'll want to look at the man page for initrd05:23
xdruppihi wxl05:23
xdruppithanks for answering, I'll do that05:23
wxlthe wikipedia page is useful too05:24
xdruppiexcuse my lack of knowldege but im searching on linux kernel and it seems so complex, i am amazed by the people that worked on it05:32
wxlit started out modest and small, built for a single architecture, and only supported a handful of devices05:32
wxlit's had to expand to the vast possibilities in hardware, not to mention the fact that people often come up with new good ideas/features05:33
wxli remember the first time i put linux on a laptop. i had to compile the kernel, naturally. if i remember correctly, i had a lot of struggles to get the audio card working. that's all stuff people take for granted at this point. heck, we don't even compile non-operating system software anymore, let alone the kernel05:35
xdruppiyeah i imagine that would have been a little too technical for people that dont know much05:37
wxlautomobiles are similar. the first ones were incredibly simple and these days you literally need to have an understanding of programming to work on all of their intracaies05:37
xdruppieven me05:37
wxlif you want to know more, you learn a little bit at a time. the linux from scratch project is a great way http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/05:38
xdruppioh i've seen that around, but im afraid to touch it05:38
wxllike i said, it starts out simple and you build from there05:38
xdruppican i literally make my own linux ;p?05:38
wxli'm confident really anyone can handle it05:38
xdruppican it be done through virtualbox?05:39
wxli mean you're not re-creating the whole kernel, but yes05:39
xdruppino of course, my comprehension of computers is not that deep haha05:39
xdruppibut i understand most technical words05:39
xdruppibut there's much i cant get the concept of05:39
wxlwell there's only one way to find out05:40
wxlyou could always ask at ##linux if you get stuck05:40
xdruppii wanna try this out but i dont know if it's really worth it honestly, i mean my main objective on using linux was to use it for learning to program05:41
xdruppiit'd take me some time to read all of this05:41
xdruppiit's tempting05:41
wxlyou can learn to program in anything05:42
xdruppii've read that ryan's tutorial website you gave me the other day, super helpful05:43
wxlglad to hear05:43
xdruppialthough Vi/Vim feels rather unpractical for my simple needs05:44
xdruppii supposed that if i get accustomed to it, it will be useful in the future05:44
wxlit's insanely useful05:45
xdruppithe most useful thing i thought out of it05:48
xdruppiwas the fact that it's purely terminal centered05:48
xdruppias in, you dont need GUI05:49
wxlthat's certainly very useful.. but realistically you don't need a GUI for most everything05:49
wxland if you don't need one then you have a highly portable system05:49
xdruppithat's true, although GUI simplifies many things, like video editing for example05:49
wxlTHAT yes05:49
wxlthat's where a GUI is necessary for productivity05:49
wxlreally anything to do with graphics or video, but that's about it05:50
wxlwell, the modern web :/05:50
xdruppiwxl, does using LFS what does it mean?05:51
wxlmaybe this discussion is best had at #lubuntu-offtopic btw05:51
xdruppiwhat package manager do i use there? do i have to compile?05:51
xdruppioh ok sorry05:51
wxlit's from scratch, so you start with base pricinples05:51
xdruppibtw wxl do you use lts or regular lubuntu?05:52
wxlmost current05:52
xdruppii'll assume thats beta?05:54
wxlno, i usually use the latest released version. do testing in a virtual machine05:55
xdruppialright, gotta go wxl, i'll check out LFS if im brave enough, I'll do step by step, hopefully i can make my own silly linux from it ;)05:57
xdruppithanks for the help good bye05:58
wxlnp good night05:58
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lubot<JyotiGomes> Hello. I installed Lubuntu 18.10. Do I recommend that I activate the "Pre-release updates" or is it not very safe?18:37
lubot<teward001> @JyotiGomes not unless you're testing things19:06
lubot<teward001> and by 'testing' i mean "expecting things to break majorly"19:06
lubot<JyotiGomes> @teward001 [@JyotiGomes not unless you're testing things], Ok. I will not active! 😊19:07
lubot<JyotiGomes> @teward001 [@JyotiGomes not unless you're testing things], Thanks! 😊19:07
lubot<teward001> yep.19:09
lubot<JyotiGomes> Something a bit strange happened now with the update of Lubuntu 18.10 on my wife's laptop: I had uninstalled LibreOffice and the update reinstalled the LibreOffice ...19:13
lubot<teward001> not atypical if it just did a reinstall of `lubuntu-desktop` which IIRC has LibreOffice as a dep19:15
lubot<tsimonq2> O_o19:17
lubot<tsimonq2> That update shouldn't have done that19:17
lubot<tsimonq2> Hmm19:17
lubot<tsimonq2> @JyotiGomes [Something a bit strange happened now with the update of Lubuntu 18.10 on my wife …], ^19:17
lubot<JyotiGomes> @tsimonq2 [^], Yes. I have often updated previous versions of Lubuntu and Ubuntu and never reinstalled a previously uninstalled program...19:19
lubot<JyotiGomes> @teward001 [not atypical if it just did a reinstall of lubuntu-desktop which IIRC has LibreO …], I did not a reinstall, but a simple update by Discover19:19
lubot<JyotiGomes> For me, there is no problem, I can uninstall the programs again. I just wrote you to know that this had happened, maybe it's useful.19:21
lubot<teward001> @tsimonq2 then it's broekn.19:21
lubot<teward001> and the upgrade process should rely on `lubuntu-desktop` no?19:22
lubot<tsimonq2> @teward001 [and the upgrade process should rely on lubuntu-desktop no?], No19:22
lubot<teward001> @Simon19:23
lubot<teward001> is there even a dep anywhere on libreoffice?19:24
wxldiscover doesn't seem to see all the libreoffice packages20:10
wxlfor example, it doesn't show -base-core, -common, or -core20:10
wxlbut it doesn't add back the packages that were deleted20:11
wxlit DOES upgrade the packages that remain20:11
wxlis that specifically what you're seeing @JyotiGomes?20:12
lubot<JyotiGomes> @wxl [<wxl> but it doesn't add back the packages that were deleted], Yes I confirm, it reinstall LibreOffice but not a working LibreOffice. It doesn't add back the packages that were deleted, it does upgrade the only packages that remained. I had uninstalled all the LibreOffice packages that appeared in Discover, but apparently the20:23
lubotre should be packages that do not appear in discover but are still installed on the computer.20:23
wxl@JyotiGomes this belies a particular quirk of Discover: it's a software center not a package manager. it won't work for EVERYTHING.20:24
lubot<JyotiGomes> Discover has reinstalled many hundreds of MB but the Libreoffice that appears is just the general cover, programs like Impress, Write, calc, etc, do not work.20:25
lubot<JyotiGomes> So, the proper way to uninstall LibreOffice should be the terminal ou Synaptic, correct?20:27
wxlor Muon, which you have already on there20:27
lubot<JyotiGomes> ok! I do not realize the main differece between Moun and Synaptic20:28
wxldependencies, basically20:28
wxlyou'll need a bunch of extra garbage for synaptic20:29
wxlmuon does the same thing20:29
lubot<JyotiGomes> ok. Thanks! 😊20:29
lubot<JyotiGomes> Both Moun and Synaptic have the option to "remove". The other option that appears as "full removal" in Synaptic must match the "deletion" of Moun. That is, i think, the option that uninstalls program, all dependencies, etc.20:34
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wxl@JyotiGomes well, if you were to "full remove" (this is the `purge` command in `apt`) it wouldn't remove the dependencies. the difference between muon/synaptic and discover is that discover only shows packages that have appstream metadata, so it does NOT show everything20:46

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