| lubot | gabrielprz was removed by: gabrielprz | 00:30 |
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| xdruppi | hello, since there's not a manpage on initramfs, can I ask someone what is it? | 05:21 |
| wxl | it's the initial filesystem into which the kernel modules are loaded | 05:22 |
| wxl | you'll want to look at the man page for initrd | 05:23 |
| xdruppi | hi wxl | 05:23 |
| xdruppi | thanks for answering, I'll do that | 05:23 |
| wxl | the wikipedia page is useful too | 05:24 |
| xdruppi | excuse my lack of knowldege but im searching on linux kernel and it seems so complex, i am amazed by the people that worked on it | 05:32 |
| wxl | it started out modest and small, built for a single architecture, and only supported a handful of devices | 05:32 |
| wxl | it's had to expand to the vast possibilities in hardware, not to mention the fact that people often come up with new good ideas/features | 05:33 |
| wxl | i remember the first time i put linux on a laptop. i had to compile the kernel, naturally. if i remember correctly, i had a lot of struggles to get the audio card working. that's all stuff people take for granted at this point. heck, we don't even compile non-operating system software anymore, let alone the kernel | 05:35 |
| xdruppi | yeah i imagine that would have been a little too technical for people that dont know much | 05:37 |
| wxl | automobiles are similar. the first ones were incredibly simple and these days you literally need to have an understanding of programming to work on all of their intracaies | 05:37 |
| xdruppi | even me | 05:37 |
| wxl | if you want to know more, you learn a little bit at a time. the linux from scratch project is a great way http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ | 05:38 |
| xdruppi | oh i've seen that around, but im afraid to touch it | 05:38 |
| wxl | like i said, it starts out simple and you build from there | 05:38 |
| xdruppi | can i literally make my own linux ;p? | 05:38 |
| wxl | i'm confident really anyone can handle it | 05:38 |
| xdruppi | can it be done through virtualbox? | 05:39 |
| wxl | i mean you're not re-creating the whole kernel, but yes | 05:39 |
| wxl | sure | 05:39 |
| xdruppi | no of course, my comprehension of computers is not that deep haha | 05:39 |
| xdruppi | but i understand most technical words | 05:39 |
| xdruppi | but there's much i cant get the concept of | 05:39 |
| wxl | well there's only one way to find out | 05:40 |
| wxl | you could always ask at ##linux if you get stuck | 05:40 |
| xdruppi | i wanna try this out but i dont know if it's really worth it honestly, i mean my main objective on using linux was to use it for learning to program | 05:41 |
| xdruppi | it'd take me some time to read all of this | 05:41 |
| xdruppi | it's tempting | 05:41 |
| wxl | you can learn to program in anything | 05:42 |
| xdruppi | i've read that ryan's tutorial website you gave me the other day, super helpful | 05:43 |
| wxl | glad to hear | 05:43 |
| xdruppi | although Vi/Vim feels rather unpractical for my simple needs | 05:44 |
| xdruppi | i supposed that if i get accustomed to it, it will be useful in the future | 05:44 |
| wxl | it's insanely useful | 05:45 |
| xdruppi | the most useful thing i thought out of it | 05:48 |
| xdruppi | was the fact that it's purely terminal centered | 05:48 |
| xdruppi | as in, you dont need GUI | 05:49 |
| wxl | that's certainly very useful.. but realistically you don't need a GUI for most everything | 05:49 |
| wxl | and if you don't need one then you have a highly portable system | 05:49 |
| xdruppi | that's true, although GUI simplifies many things, like video editing for example | 05:49 |
| wxl | THAT yes | 05:49 |
| wxl | that's where a GUI is necessary for productivity | 05:49 |
| wxl | really anything to do with graphics or video, but that's about it | 05:50 |
| wxl | well, the modern web :/ | 05:50 |
| xdruppi | wxl, does using LFS what does it mean? | 05:51 |
| wxl | maybe this discussion is best had at #lubuntu-offtopic btw | 05:51 |
| xdruppi | what package manager do i use there? do i have to compile? | 05:51 |
| xdruppi | oh ok sorry | 05:51 |
| wxl | it's from scratch, so you start with base pricinples | 05:51 |
| xdruppi | btw wxl do you use lts or regular lubuntu? | 05:52 |
| wxl | most current | 05:52 |
| xdruppi | i'll assume thats beta? | 05:54 |
| wxl | no, i usually use the latest released version. do testing in a virtual machine | 05:55 |
| xdruppi | alright, gotta go wxl, i'll check out LFS if im brave enough, I'll do step by step, hopefully i can make my own silly linux from it ;) | 05:57 |
| xdruppi | thanks for the help good bye | 05:58 |
| wxl | np good night | 05:58 |
| JuNkEe | Hi o/ | 17:08 |
| lubot | <JyotiGomes> Hello. I installed Lubuntu 18.10. Do I recommend that I activate the "Pre-release updates" or is it not very safe? | 18:37 |
| lubot | <teward001> @JyotiGomes not unless you're testing things | 19:06 |
| lubot | <teward001> and by 'testing' i mean "expecting things to break majorly" | 19:06 |
| lubot | <JyotiGomes> @teward001 [@JyotiGomes not unless you're testing things], Ok. I will not active! 😊 | 19:07 |
| lubot | <JyotiGomes> @teward001 [@JyotiGomes not unless you're testing things], Thanks! 😊 | 19:07 |
| lubot | <teward001> yep. | 19:09 |
| lubot | <JyotiGomes> Something a bit strange happened now with the update of Lubuntu 18.10 on my wife's laptop: I had uninstalled LibreOffice and the update reinstalled the LibreOffice ... | 19:13 |
| lubot | <teward001> not atypical if it just did a reinstall of `lubuntu-desktop` which IIRC has LibreOffice as a dep | 19:15 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> O_o | 19:17 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> That update shouldn't have done that | 19:17 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Hmm | 19:17 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @JyotiGomes [Something a bit strange happened now with the update of Lubuntu 18.10 on my wife …], ^ | 19:17 |
| lubot | <JyotiGomes> @tsimonq2 [^], Yes. I have often updated previous versions of Lubuntu and Ubuntu and never reinstalled a previously uninstalled program... | 19:19 |
| lubot | <JyotiGomes> @teward001 [not atypical if it just did a reinstall of lubuntu-desktop which IIRC has LibreO …], I did not a reinstall, but a simple update by Discover | 19:19 |
| lubot | <JyotiGomes> For me, there is no problem, I can uninstall the programs again. I just wrote you to know that this had happened, maybe it's useful. | 19:21 |
| lubot | <teward001> @tsimonq2 then it's broekn. | 19:21 |
| lubot | <teward001> and the upgrade process should rely on `lubuntu-desktop` no? | 19:22 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @teward001 [and the upgrade process should rely on lubuntu-desktop no?], No | 19:22 |
| lubot | <teward001> @Simon | 19:23 |
| lubot | <teward001> is there even a dep anywhere on libreoffice? | 19:24 |
| wxl | discover doesn't seem to see all the libreoffice packages | 20:10 |
| wxl | for example, it doesn't show -base-core, -common, or -core | 20:10 |
| wxl | but it doesn't add back the packages that were deleted | 20:11 |
| wxl | it DOES upgrade the packages that remain | 20:11 |
| wxl | is that specifically what you're seeing @JyotiGomes? | 20:12 |
| lubot | <JyotiGomes> @wxl [<wxl> but it doesn't add back the packages that were deleted], Yes I confirm, it reinstall LibreOffice but not a working LibreOffice. It doesn't add back the packages that were deleted, it does upgrade the only packages that remained. I had uninstalled all the LibreOffice packages that appeared in Discover, but apparently the | 20:23 |
| lubot | re should be packages that do not appear in discover but are still installed on the computer. | 20:23 |
| wxl | @JyotiGomes this belies a particular quirk of Discover: it's a software center not a package manager. it won't work for EVERYTHING. | 20:24 |
| lubot | <JyotiGomes> Discover has reinstalled many hundreds of MB but the Libreoffice that appears is just the general cover, programs like Impress, Write, calc, etc, do not work. | 20:25 |
| lubot | <JyotiGomes> So, the proper way to uninstall LibreOffice should be the terminal ou Synaptic, correct? | 20:27 |
| wxl | or Muon, which you have already on there | 20:27 |
| lubot | <JyotiGomes> ok! I do not realize the main differece between Moun and Synaptic | 20:28 |
| wxl | dependencies, basically | 20:28 |
| wxl | you'll need a bunch of extra garbage for synaptic | 20:29 |
| wxl | muon does the same thing | 20:29 |
| lubot | <JyotiGomes> ok. Thanks! 😊 | 20:29 |
| wxl | np | 20:29 |
| lubot | <JyotiGomes> Both Moun and Synaptic have the option to "remove". The other option that appears as "full removal" in Synaptic must match the "deletion" of Moun. That is, i think, the option that uninstalls program, all dependencies, etc. | 20:34 |
| lubot | mfrsousa was removed by: mfrsousa | 20:37 |
| wxl | @JyotiGomes well, if you were to "full remove" (this is the `purge` command in `apt`) it wouldn't remove the dependencies. the difference between muon/synaptic and discover is that discover only shows packages that have appstream metadata, so it does NOT show everything | 20:46 |
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