[00:30] gabrielprz was removed by: gabrielprz [05:21] hello, since there's not a manpage on initramfs, can I ask someone what is it? [05:22] it's the initial filesystem into which the kernel modules are loaded [05:23] you'll want to look at the man page for initrd [05:23] hi wxl [05:23] thanks for answering, I'll do that [05:24] the wikipedia page is useful too [05:32] excuse my lack of knowldege but im searching on linux kernel and it seems so complex, i am amazed by the people that worked on it [05:32] it started out modest and small, built for a single architecture, and only supported a handful of devices [05:33] it's had to expand to the vast possibilities in hardware, not to mention the fact that people often come up with new good ideas/features [05:35] i remember the first time i put linux on a laptop. i had to compile the kernel, naturally. if i remember correctly, i had a lot of struggles to get the audio card working. that's all stuff people take for granted at this point. heck, we don't even compile non-operating system software anymore, let alone the kernel [05:37] yeah i imagine that would have been a little too technical for people that dont know much [05:37] automobiles are similar. the first ones were incredibly simple and these days you literally need to have an understanding of programming to work on all of their intracaies [05:37] even me [05:38] if you want to know more, you learn a little bit at a time. the linux from scratch project is a great way http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ [05:38] oh i've seen that around, but im afraid to touch it [05:38] like i said, it starts out simple and you build from there [05:38] can i literally make my own linux ;p? [05:38] i'm confident really anyone can handle it [05:39] can it be done through virtualbox? [05:39] i mean you're not re-creating the whole kernel, but yes [05:39] sure [05:39] no of course, my comprehension of computers is not that deep haha [05:39] but i understand most technical words [05:39] but there's much i cant get the concept of [05:40] well there's only one way to find out [05:40] you could always ask at ##linux if you get stuck [05:41] i wanna try this out but i dont know if it's really worth it honestly, i mean my main objective on using linux was to use it for learning to program [05:41] it'd take me some time to read all of this [05:41] it's tempting [05:42] you can learn to program in anything [05:43] i've read that ryan's tutorial website you gave me the other day, super helpful [05:43] glad to hear [05:44] although Vi/Vim feels rather unpractical for my simple needs [05:44] i supposed that if i get accustomed to it, it will be useful in the future [05:45] it's insanely useful [05:48] the most useful thing i thought out of it [05:48] was the fact that it's purely terminal centered [05:49] as in, you dont need GUI [05:49] that's certainly very useful.. but realistically you don't need a GUI for most everything [05:49] and if you don't need one then you have a highly portable system [05:49] that's true, although GUI simplifies many things, like video editing for example [05:49] THAT yes [05:49] that's where a GUI is necessary for productivity [05:50] really anything to do with graphics or video, but that's about it [05:50] well, the modern web :/ [05:51] wxl, does using LFS what does it mean? [05:51] maybe this discussion is best had at #lubuntu-offtopic btw [05:51] what package manager do i use there? do i have to compile? [05:51] oh ok sorry [05:51] it's from scratch, so you start with base pricinples [05:52] btw wxl do you use lts or regular lubuntu? [05:52] most current [05:54] i'll assume thats beta? [05:55] no, i usually use the latest released version. do testing in a virtual machine [05:57] alright, gotta go wxl, i'll check out LFS if im brave enough, I'll do step by step, hopefully i can make my own silly linux from it ;) [05:58] thanks for the help good bye [05:58] np good night [17:08] Hi o/ [18:37] Hello. I installed Lubuntu 18.10. Do I recommend that I activate the "Pre-release updates" or is it not very safe? [19:06] @JyotiGomes not unless you're testing things [19:06] and by 'testing' i mean "expecting things to break majorly" [19:07] @teward001 [@JyotiGomes not unless you're testing things], Ok. I will not active! 😊 [19:07] @teward001 [@JyotiGomes not unless you're testing things], Thanks! 😊 [19:09] yep. [19:13] Something a bit strange happened now with the update of Lubuntu 18.10 on my wife's laptop: I had uninstalled LibreOffice and the update reinstalled the LibreOffice ... [19:15] not atypical if it just did a reinstall of `lubuntu-desktop` which IIRC has LibreOffice as a dep [19:17] O_o [19:17] That update shouldn't have done that [19:17] Hmm [19:17] @JyotiGomes [Something a bit strange happened now with the update of Lubuntu 18.10 on my wife …], ^ [19:19] @tsimonq2 [^], Yes. I have often updated previous versions of Lubuntu and Ubuntu and never reinstalled a previously uninstalled program... [19:19] @teward001 [not atypical if it just did a reinstall of lubuntu-desktop which IIRC has LibreO …], I did not a reinstall, but a simple update by Discover [19:21] For me, there is no problem, I can uninstall the programs again. I just wrote you to know that this had happened, maybe it's useful. [19:21] @tsimonq2 then it's broekn. [19:22] and the upgrade process should rely on `lubuntu-desktop` no? [19:22] @teward001 [and the upgrade process should rely on lubuntu-desktop no?], No [19:23] @Simon [19:24] is there even a dep anywhere on libreoffice? [20:10] discover doesn't seem to see all the libreoffice packages [20:10] for example, it doesn't show -base-core, -common, or -core [20:11] but it doesn't add back the packages that were deleted [20:11] it DOES upgrade the packages that remain [20:12] is that specifically what you're seeing @JyotiGomes? [20:23] @wxl [ but it doesn't add back the packages that were deleted], Yes I confirm, it reinstall LibreOffice but not a working LibreOffice. It doesn't add back the packages that were deleted, it does upgrade the only packages that remained. I had uninstalled all the LibreOffice packages that appeared in Discover, but apparently the [20:23] re should be packages that do not appear in discover but are still installed on the computer. [20:24] @JyotiGomes this belies a particular quirk of Discover: it's a software center not a package manager. it won't work for EVERYTHING. [20:25] Discover has reinstalled many hundreds of MB but the Libreoffice that appears is just the general cover, programs like Impress, Write, calc, etc, do not work. [20:27] So, the proper way to uninstall LibreOffice should be the terminal ou Synaptic, correct? [20:27] or Muon, which you have already on there [20:28] ok! I do not realize the main differece between Moun and Synaptic [20:28] dependencies, basically [20:29] you'll need a bunch of extra garbage for synaptic [20:29] muon does the same thing [20:29] ok. Thanks! 😊 [20:29] np [20:34] Both Moun and Synaptic have the option to "remove". The other option that appears as "full removal" in Synaptic must match the "deletion" of Moun. That is, i think, the option that uninstalls program, all dependencies, etc. [20:37] mfrsousa was removed by: mfrsousa [20:46] @JyotiGomes well, if you were to "full remove" (this is the `purge` command in `apt`) it wouldn't remove the dependencies. the difference between muon/synaptic and discover is that discover only shows packages that have appstream metadata, so it does NOT show everything