[05:21] <xdruppi> hello, since there's not a manpage on initramfs, can I ask someone what is it?
[05:22] <wxl> it's the initial filesystem into which the kernel modules are loaded
[05:23] <wxl> you'll want to look at the man page for initrd
[05:23] <xdruppi> hi wxl
[05:23] <xdruppi> thanks for answering, I'll do that
[05:24] <wxl> the wikipedia page is useful too
[05:32] <xdruppi> excuse my lack of knowldege but im searching on linux kernel and it seems so complex, i am amazed by the people that worked on it
[05:32] <wxl> it started out modest and small, built for a single architecture, and only supported a handful of devices
[05:33] <wxl> it's had to expand to the vast possibilities in hardware, not to mention the fact that people often come up with new good ideas/features
[05:35] <wxl> i remember the first time i put linux on a laptop. i had to compile the kernel, naturally. if i remember correctly, i had a lot of struggles to get the audio card working. that's all stuff people take for granted at this point. heck, we don't even compile non-operating system software anymore, let alone the kernel
[05:37] <xdruppi> yeah i imagine that would have been a little too technical for people that dont know much
[05:37] <wxl> automobiles are similar. the first ones were incredibly simple and these days you literally need to have an understanding of programming to work on all of their intracaies
[05:37] <xdruppi> even me
[05:38] <wxl> if you want to know more, you learn a little bit at a time. the linux from scratch project is a great way http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
[05:38] <xdruppi> oh i've seen that around, but im afraid to touch it
[05:38] <wxl> like i said, it starts out simple and you build from there
[05:38] <xdruppi> can i literally make my own linux ;p?
[05:38] <wxl> i'm confident really anyone can handle it
[05:39] <xdruppi> can it be done through virtualbox?
[05:39] <wxl> i mean you're not re-creating the whole kernel, but yes
[05:39] <wxl> sure
[05:39] <xdruppi> no of course, my comprehension of computers is not that deep haha
[05:39] <xdruppi> but i understand most technical words
[05:39] <xdruppi> but there's much i cant get the concept of
[05:40] <wxl> well there's only one way to find out
[05:40] <wxl> you could always ask at ##linux if you get stuck
[05:41] <xdruppi> i wanna try this out but i dont know if it's really worth it honestly, i mean my main objective on using linux was to use it for learning to program
[05:41] <xdruppi> it'd take me some time to read all of this
[05:41] <xdruppi> it's tempting
[05:42] <wxl> you can learn to program in anything
[05:43] <xdruppi> i've read that ryan's tutorial website you gave me the other day, super helpful
[05:43] <wxl> glad to hear
[05:44] <xdruppi> although Vi/Vim feels rather unpractical for my simple needs
[05:44] <xdruppi> i supposed that if i get accustomed to it, it will be useful in the future
[05:45] <wxl> it's insanely useful
[05:48] <xdruppi> the most useful thing i thought out of it
[05:48] <xdruppi> was the fact that it's purely terminal centered
[05:49] <xdruppi> as in, you dont need GUI
[05:49] <wxl> that's certainly very useful.. but realistically you don't need a GUI for most everything
[05:49] <wxl> and if you don't need one then you have a highly portable system
[05:49] <xdruppi> that's true, although GUI simplifies many things, like video editing for example
[05:49] <wxl> THAT yes
[05:49] <wxl> that's where a GUI is necessary for productivity
[05:50] <wxl> really anything to do with graphics or video, but that's about it
[05:50] <wxl> well, the modern web :/
[05:51] <xdruppi> wxl, does using LFS what does it mean?
[05:51] <wxl> maybe this discussion is best had at #lubuntu-offtopic btw
[05:51] <xdruppi> what package manager do i use there? do i have to compile?
[05:51] <xdruppi> oh ok sorry
[05:51] <wxl> it's from scratch, so you start with base pricinples
[05:52] <xdruppi> btw wxl do you use lts or regular lubuntu?
[05:52] <wxl> most current
[05:54] <xdruppi> i'll assume thats beta?
[05:55] <wxl> no, i usually use the latest released version. do testing in a virtual machine
[05:57] <xdruppi> alright, gotta go wxl, i'll check out LFS if im brave enough, I'll do step by step, hopefully i can make my own silly linux from it ;)
[05:58] <xdruppi> thanks for the help good bye
[05:58] <wxl> np good night
[17:08] <JuNkEe> Hi o/
 Hello. I installed Lubuntu 18.10. Do I recommend that I activate the "Pre-release updates" or is it not very safe?
 @JyotiGomes not unless you're testing things
 and by 'testing' i mean "expecting things to break majorly"
 @teward001 [@JyotiGomes not unless you're testing things], Ok. I will not active! 😊
 @teward001 [@JyotiGomes not unless you're testing things], Thanks! 😊
 yep.
 Something a bit strange happened now with the update of Lubuntu 18.10 on my wife's laptop: I had uninstalled LibreOffice and the update reinstalled the LibreOffice ...
 not atypical if it just did a reinstall of `lubuntu-desktop` which IIRC has LibreOffice as a dep
 O_o
 That update shouldn't have done that
 Hmm
 @JyotiGomes [Something a bit strange happened now with the update of Lubuntu 18.10 on my wife …], ^
 @tsimonq2 [^], Yes. I have often updated previous versions of Lubuntu and Ubuntu and never reinstalled a previously uninstalled program...
 @teward001 [not atypical if it just did a reinstall of lubuntu-desktop which IIRC has LibreO …], I did not a reinstall, but a simple update by Discover
 For me, there is no problem, I can uninstall the programs again. I just wrote you to know that this had happened, maybe it's useful.
 @tsimonq2 then it's broekn.
 and the upgrade process should rely on `lubuntu-desktop` no?
 @teward001 [and the upgrade process should rely on lubuntu-desktop no?], No
 @Simon
 is there even a dep anywhere on libreoffice?
[20:10] <wxl> discover doesn't seem to see all the libreoffice packages
[20:10] <wxl> for example, it doesn't show -base-core, -common, or -core
[20:11] <wxl> but it doesn't add back the packages that were deleted
[20:11] <wxl> it DOES upgrade the packages that remain
[20:12] <wxl> is that specifically what you're seeing @JyotiGomes?
 @wxl [<wxl> but it doesn't add back the packages that were deleted], Yes I confirm, it reinstall LibreOffice but not a working LibreOffice. It doesn't add back the packages that were deleted, it does upgrade the only packages that remained. I had uninstalled all the LibreOffice packages that appeared in Discover, but apparently the
[20:24] <wxl> @JyotiGomes this belies a particular quirk of Discover: it's a software center not a package manager. it won't work for EVERYTHING.
 Discover has reinstalled many hundreds of MB but the Libreoffice that appears is just the general cover, programs like Impress, Write, calc, etc, do not work.
 So, the proper way to uninstall LibreOffice should be the terminal ou Synaptic, correct?
[20:27] <wxl> or Muon, which you have already on there
 ok! I do not realize the main differece between Moun and Synaptic
[20:28] <wxl> dependencies, basically
[20:29] <wxl> you'll need a bunch of extra garbage for synaptic
[20:29] <wxl> muon does the same thing
 ok. Thanks! 😊
[20:29] <wxl> np
 Both Moun and Synaptic have the option to "remove". The other option that appears as "full removal" in Synaptic must match the "deletion" of Moun. That is, i think, the option that uninstalls program, all dependencies, etc.
[20:46] <wxl> @JyotiGomes well, if you were to "full remove" (this is the `purge` command in `apt`) it wouldn't remove the dependencies. the difference between muon/synaptic and discover is that discover only shows packages that have appstream metadata, so it does NOT show everything