[00:00] <Exterminador> I have a really small (not bigger than a thumb) USB 2.0 of 32Gb and I was considering in installing Xubuntu into it or even Lubuntu
[00:02] <TJ-> Exterminador: the biggest concern you should have is how fast it is to move data; some can be really slow and that isn't useful to support a GUI, but is probably fine for console/shell only.
[00:02] <apeman> TJ-: For an office PC that I'll be remotely accessing as well, would it be more typical to be using "suspend" or "hibernate" when the computer is idle?
[00:02] <TJ-> Exterminador: that in turn can sometimes depend on which type of USB controller it is attached to (USB2 vs USB3)
[00:03] <Exterminador> well, I'm quite sure I don't have any USB3 ports. usually they are blue, right?
[00:03] <TJ-> apeman: I'd think S3 suspend would be best, because you can use Wake-On-LAN to wake it up instantly if required, whereas WoL from hibernate could be problematic (hibernation/resume is still an iffy area)
[00:03] <TJ-> Exterminador: yes
[00:04] <Exterminador> then, they're all USB2
[00:05] <Exterminador> I believe that an external SSD would be better for what I'm thinking
[00:09] <stn616> Exterminador: flash drives have limited life compared to ssd which have algorithms to write cells randomly a usb stick doesn't, constant write operations on a usb stick will kill it fast
[00:11] <Exterminador> stn616: noted. :)
[00:24] <apeman> Is it necessary to have a /boot partition for Ubuntu 18?
[00:26] <OerHeks> apeman, 18.04 standard installs in one partition, including swapfile, not swappartition.
[00:26] <compdoc> for uefi, I think so. without uefi, it still has a bootloader
[00:31] <EriC^^> apeman: no
[00:32] <apeman> OerHeks: I'm installing on SSD and HDD so trying to figure out what I need to do
[00:35] <ryuo> apeman: the UEFI partition compdoc mentions isn't a regular /boot partition.
[00:36] <ryuo> apeman: but, yes. it's basically the substitute for the MBR.
[00:36] <ryuo> apeman: you need that plus whatever partitions you're using for the actual system.
[00:48] <apeman> Does it matter which order you create partitions?
[00:49] <TJ-> apeman: not usually, although some older firmware want the boot-loader near the start of the device (before 2GB)
[00:55] <stn616> actually that's one of the problems I was having, I created a 100M partition for boot and the installation failed, took me a few hours to realize I needed a bigger partition for boot
[00:55] <stn616> imagine that 170M just to store a few kernels and grub...
[00:58] <stn616> apeman: you need at least 200M for boot and 260 for efi (vfat) if you are going to dual boot with windows
[01:00] <TJ-> I'd recommend at least 500MB for /boot/ since in the deefault config the typical initrd.img will be close to 60MB each
[01:00] <ryuo> TJ-: isn't that only relevant to ancient BIOS?
[01:00] <TJ-> allow for the standard 3 kernel versions, plus some others if youu've not enabled automatic old kernel removal
[01:00] <ryuo> they had limitations about how much data they could read.
[01:01] <TJ-> ryuo: makes no difference; I'm talking about /boot/ when it is a separate file-system
[01:01] <virmaha> Hello. I've an ubuntu 16.04 laptop. When I reboot it, the screen is stuck at /dev/sda1: recovering journal, /dev/sda1: clean, x/y files. q/b blocks
[01:02] <TJ-> ryuo: if you're on about the boot-loader, then in BIOS mode, GRUB's core image needs around 1MB. On MBR that is written in the spare sectors from sector #1 to the start of the 1st partition(usually sector 2048). On GPT it needs a BIOS Boot Partition which I usually reserve 2MB for.
[01:03] <TJ-> ryuo: in UEFI mode there needs to be an EFI System Partition instead, FAT16, less than 256MB is fine
[01:04] <ryuo> TJ-: i'm aware.
[01:04] <ryuo> TJ-: i just wasn't aware of such a limitation in newer systems.
[01:05] <TJ-> ryuo: the 2GB limit for BIOS/legacy boot? it's not so common but we've seen a few CSMs that have it
[01:05] <ryuo> I see.
[01:05] <TJ-> ryuo: I assume they use signed int for their sector offsets!
[01:05] <apeman> stn616: I'm only going to be using Ubuntu. So I take it if I create / on the SSD then /boot will be created by the installer, as in there's no need for me to create a separate /boot partition?
[01:07] <Krennic> hmm
[01:07] <TJ-> apeman: if /boot/ is in the root-fs then there's no problem with size of course
[01:08] <TJ-> apeman: I use separate /boot/ in combination with LUKS encryption, so even if that file-system is unlocked, the rootfs still needs to be unlocked separately
[01:09] <virmaha> okay. So when I do startx, I get error saying /usr/bin/x : not found. xinit: giving up, unable to connect to X server: connection refused. There's no internet connectivity too
[01:09] <virmaha> how can I fix this?
[01:10] <TJ-> virmaha: why are you using startx? why not use the display manager/
[01:11] <Krennic> hmm
[01:11] <virmaha> TJ-: oops i was just checking journalctl | tail -n 100 and I saw that command so
[01:11] <virmaha> TJ-: how can i test using display manager?
[01:12] <TJ-> virmaha: depends on which one is installed. For regular Ubuntu then it is likely gdm3. For others it could be lightdm. So you can do "sudo systemctl start <DM-NAME>"
[01:13] <virmaha> gdm3 - service not found
[01:13] <virmaha> lightdm - job for lightdm.service failed as control process exited with error code. See systemctlt status lightdm.service and journalctl -xe for details
[01:14] <virmaha> TJ-: ^
[01:14] <apeman> I'm confused by the limit of 4 primary partitions is mentioned in a lot of guides. I also read a guide saying that if you're using GPT then there is no limit to the number of primary partitions.
[01:14] <virmaha> it looks like it can't find /usr/bin/X
[01:14] <apeman> Is that true, and how would I "choose" to use GPT?
[01:14] <TJ-> virmaha: those recommended commands will show you some log messages
[01:15] <eee2> ubuntu sucks
[01:15] <virmaha> yeah looking at that TJ-  It's same error which I mentioned above
[01:15] <eee2> thus you are all suckers
[01:15] <virmaha> xinit : unable to run server "/usr/bin/x" no such file or directory
[01:15] <TJ-> apeman: MBR only allows 4 primary partitions; for more you have to create an extended partition on 1 of those 4, which can then contain an additional 4 logical partitions, and that can repeat up to, I think, 127
[01:15] <ryuo> eee2: hi mr. troll. you hungry today
[01:15] <ryuo> :D
[01:15] <eee2> haven't eaten yet
[01:15] <TJ-> virmaha: right, so you're missing packages then, or files have been deleted!
[01:16] <virmaha> TJ-: :o but how do i fix that without internet access
[01:16] <TJ-> virmaha: try "apt list xserver-xorg-core" --- does it say it is installed?
[01:17] <virmaha> TJ-: yeah..ot sjpws N: there are 2 additional versions. PLease use -a switch
[01:17] <TJ-> virmaha: also, more importantly, which ubuntu release is that, and which flavour (ubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu, mate, budgie, kubuntu ...) ?
[01:17] <virmaha> TJ-: ubuntu 16.04, xenial
[01:17] <TJ-> virmaha: "ot sjpws N" ?
[01:18] <virmaha> oops TJ- I mean yeah, the package are installed
[01:18] <virmaha> xserver-xorg-core/xenial-updates, xenial-security and xenial
[01:18] <TJ-> virmaha: right, that package contains /usr/bin/X so if that file is missing you've got some kind of corruption
[01:18] <virmaha> 2:1.1.18.4-0ubuntu0.8 amd64
[01:18] <virmaha> ahh I see..so how to fix that TJ- :S
[01:18] <TJ-> virmaha: try "ls -l /usr/bin/X" - should be a symbolic link to Xorg
[01:19] <apeman> TJ-: But can I tell the Ubuntu installer to create a GPT drive?
[01:19] <virmaha> "cannot access /usr/bin/x' : No such file or directory
[01:19] <TJ-> virmaha: the "apt list ..." report, did it show "[installed,automatic]" ?
[01:20] <TJ-> virmaha: if you didn't see "installed" then it isn't installed
[01:20] <virmaha> TJ-: nothing like that
[01:20] <TJ-> virmaha: right, so it isn't installed.
[01:20] <virmaha> but how did it work before then :|
[01:20] <TJ-> virmaha: so you'll need network to install
[01:20] <TJ-> virmaha: you've managed to delete something
[01:20] <virmaha> i've been using laptop for weeks
[01:20] <virmaha> and rebooted it today
[01:20] <fluvvell> how viable is it to switch to wayland and then back to X if the apps I need dont work.
[01:20] <TJ-> virmaha: there may be clues in the log: "less /var/log/apt/history.log"
[01:21] <TJ-> apeman: the installer should use GPT by default
[01:21] <fluvvell> I have two screens with massively different resolution
[01:21] <TJ-> apeman: we only usually run into MBR now when installing alongside older Windows
[01:21] <virmaha> ah TJ- could be. I was playing around with apt-get dselect-upgrade
[01:22] <apeman> TJ-: So on a new system to only have linux the concern about limit 4 partitions is nonexistent?
[01:22] <virmaha> TJ-: how to get network access. ifonfig shows only loopback address
[01:22] <TJ-> virmaha: if you're *very* lucky the package .deb files might still be in the cache: "ls /var/cache/apt/archives/"
[01:23] <virmaha> what should I grep for?
[01:23] <virmaha> i see lot of files
[01:23] <virmaha> xserver-common , xvfb etc
[01:23] <TJ-> xserver-xorg-core
[01:23] <sfdebug> hi, does anyone use some Desktop program of translation? So, for example, i can click in any word in any program and translate it fast?
[01:23] <virmaha> no luck
[01:23] <TJ-> virmaha: if you do "sudo apt install xserver-xorg-core" and it is in the cache it'll be installed
[01:24] <virmaha> only have xserver-common
[01:24] <TJ-> virmaha: right, so you need to bring up the network. Do you know your gatteway router's IPv4 address?
[01:24] <TJ-> virmaha: or does the network use IPv6 SLAAC ?
[01:24] <virmaha> TJ-: I used to connect via wifi or ethernet cable
[01:25] <virmaha> I can plug it in my other laptop and get the gateway router's ipv4
[01:25] <TJ-> virmaha: right, from the GUI? so that'd be NetworkManager?
[01:25] <TJ-> virmaha: if so we can bring that up from console
[01:25] <TJ-> virmaha: "nmli con" should list all your network connections. Do you see your wifi name there?
[01:25] <TJ-> virmaha: "nmcli con" (typo)
[01:26] <virmaha> program nmcli is not installed
[01:26] <virmaha> :S
[01:26] <TJ-> virmaha: you've broken it
[01:27] <virmaha> i plugged my ethernet cable to windows machine, did ipconfig and found default gateway ip
[01:27] <TJ-> virmaha: plug an Ethernet cable in
[01:27] <TJ-> virmaha: then do "ip link show" and figure out the device name (should start with en...)
[01:28] <virmaha> okay found one TJ-
[01:28] <TJ-> virmaha: then do "sudo dhclient enXXXXX &" and if you're lucky DHCP should get a lease
[01:28] <TJ-> virmaha: then you can do "ip addr show" and check there's an IPv4 address, and then "ip route show" and check there is a route with "default" in it pointing to your gateway router
[01:29] <TJ-> virmaha: lastly, you need to check there is name resolution for DNS, with something like "ping -c 5 archive.ubuntu.com"
[01:30] <quidnunc> Can anyone tell me how to install and configure fcitx. All the information I find through Google is old
[01:30] <virmaha> ip addr show shows eno1: <no carrier, broadcast, multicast, up> mtu 1500 <some more words> link/ether <12 hex chars> brd ff:ff::ff::ff::ff::ff
[01:30] <virmaha> ip route show shows nothing
[01:30] <virmaha> ping says unknown host
[01:30] <TJ-> virmaha: did you do the dhclient step?
[01:31] <virmaha> TJ-: yep
[01:31] <TJ-> virmaha: eno1 "no carrier" means the link isn't up... cable issue?
[01:31] <OerHeks> quidnunc, maybe this page is any help? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1062907/cant-change-from-ibus-to-fcitx
[01:32] <quidnunc> OerHeks: Thanks I saw it. I tried doing that but it hasn't worked, at least without a reboot
[01:32] <virmaha> TJ-: ah the cable was loose. Now it showed [2] <pid> [1] done sudo dhclient eno1
[01:33] <OerHeks> the guide says rebot .. or logout/login
[01:33] <virmaha> and now it's stuck at rtnetlink answers: file exists
[01:33] <TJ-> virmaha: so "ip addr show"
[01:34] <virmaha> TJ-: wohoo. It works
[01:34] <virmaha> ping works too
[01:34] <TJ-> virmaha: right, so now you can sort things out
[01:34] <virmaha> TJ-: lol how? just reinstall xserver-xorg-core?
[01:34] <TJ-> virmaha: which flavour of ubuntu was installed? Xubuntu? Lubuntu?
[01:35] <virmaha> TJ-: normal ubuntu..canonical one
[01:35] <TJ-> virmaha: hmmm OK. what does "lsb_release -r" report?
[01:35] <virmaha> Release: 16.04
[01:36] <TJ-> virmaha: ok, that explains the lightdm! let's start with the top-level package in case you removed that. if this is missing it will automatically cause all the missing packages to be installed. "sudo apt-get --reinstall install ubuntu-desktop"
[01:40] <virmaha> TJ-: alright. Done. Anything else?
[01:40] <TJ-> virmaha: did that install a lot of packages?
[01:40] <virmaha> yeah a lot
[01:40] <virmaha> also, usr/bin/x synlinks to xorg
[01:40] <virmaha> symlinks*
[01:40] <TJ-> virmaha: then try starting again "sudo systemctl start lightdm"
[01:41] <TJ-> virmaha: you should also check the network-manager has been re-installed
[01:41] <virmaha> TJ-: wohoo I see the login screen
[01:42] <virmaha> thanks a lot TJ- for saving the day!!
[01:44] <johnc--> sorry i got disconnected. my 'upload' folder inside /var/www/html/upload is owned by "ubuntu www-data", now when i upload images from the web dashboard, the uploaded image is owned by "www-data www-data" thus it cannot display. How will i make all future files written in the folder be owned by "ubuntu www-data" ?
[02:30] <gbellinoz> I have a script called "clip" that just has "xclip -o -selection primary" in it. Why it's so useful is that I can use anything in the clipboard on the CLI, like "wget $(clip)". I've used Linux for 18+ years, but just made this last month!
[02:30] <gbellinoz> Cool or "derr" ?
[03:19] <Silenceimpaired> Hey all :) I'm struggling between choosing manjaro and ubuntu... why do you prefer ubuntu?
[03:20] <OerHeks> because we are give great support
[03:20] <OerHeks> but polling is useless, dude
[03:23] <ryuo> OerHeks: tell that to the programmers that still insist on using poll(). :(
[03:24] <OerHeks> pollings say pollings say nothing
[03:25] <ryuo> Silenceimpaired: stability?
[03:25] <ryuo> Manjaro is rolling release, so you're more likely to encounter issues.
[03:42] <Silenceimpaired> hmm okay... what about Debian... do you feel Ubuntu is more stable than Debian?
[03:46] <Strykar> does the encrypt installer option do 'LUKS on LVM' or 'LVM on LUKS'?
[04:12] <lapion>   OerHeks try using a new profile and enabling drm in the new profiel
[04:26] <jadax> hi, do you know if there is so meta-package on Ubuntu to install wordpress? I've seen some tutorials out there, but most of them were pretty involving
[05:24] <lapion> Hello I have one system where I keep getting "Widevine Content  Decryption Module provided y Google Inc. Will be installed shortly." when I enable drm content in firefox
[05:25] <lapion> does anyone have this same problem ?
[05:26] <guiverc> jadax: i know nothing about wordpress, but `wordpress` is a package (https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=wordpress)
[06:28] <WoC> is there any way to disable apparmor on a running system w/o rebooting with kernel param apparmor=0 ?
[07:06] <Ascavasaion> I am trying to delete two files, but when I do rm filename it says there is no such file.  I have tried in file manager and from command line.  I think there is a funny character or something i the name, but I cannot see it.  any advice please?
[07:10] <transfusion> Ascavasaion: have you tried if you can tab complete your file name in the command line?
[07:11] <Ascavasaion> transfusion, I can... but still cannot delete it.
[07:11] <Ascavasaion> joel@mynasbox:/media/joel/My Book/TV Shows/Doogie Howser MD/D$ rm S2E09\ -\ Nautilus\ For\ Naught.avi
[07:11] <Ascavasaion> rm: cannot remove 'S2E09 - Nautilus For Naught.avi': No such file or directory
[07:12] <transfusion> hmmm... what if you put quotes around the file name?
[07:12] <Ascavasaion> That is with tab completion
[07:12] <transfusion> or escape the spaces
[07:12] <transfusion> hmmm
[07:12] <transfusion> something like rm S2E09\ -\ Nautilus\ For\ Naught.avi ?
[07:13] <Ascavasaion> transfusion, Nope
[07:14] <transfusion> hmmm.....
[07:14] <Ascavasaion> Nor with quotes...
[07:14] <Ascavasaion> rm "S2E18 - My Two Dads.avi"
[07:14] <Ascavasaion> rm: cannot remove 'S2E18 - My Two Dads.avi': No such file or directory
[07:14] <TreeLad> transfusion: have you ls -a to see if the file was removed?
[07:15] <Ascavasaion> Files are still there... when I type ls -a it shows them all
[07:19] <TreeLad> are you the owner of the file? rm -f? or sudo rm -f
[07:21] <Ascavasaion> rm -f filename and sudo rm -f filename also do not work
[07:30] <TreeLad> are they open in a program? (not sure that matters)
[07:35] <Ascavasaion> TreeLad, Nope
[07:38] <TreeLad> Ascavasaion: I give up
[07:38] <Ascavasaion> TreeLad, Me as well, going to format it
[07:41] <TreeLad> researched google... do you own the folder it is in?
[07:42] <TreeLad> https://askubuntu.com/questions/240424/why-cant-i-delete-a-file-even-though-i-have-write-permissions
[07:46] <Ascavasaion> I formatted the external hard disk
[07:46] <TreeLad> solved
[08:54] <pagios> echo "hello" | mail -s  'hello no.fwd' root@localhost ;   mail No mail for root wHYY?
[08:55] <eugenio> hi all, I'm trying to recover a damaged HD which contained 4 reiserfs partitions. I don't know where to start.
[08:58] <eugenio> reiserfs --check gives Bad root block 0. (--rebuild-tree did not complete)
[09:02] <ducasse> that's the problem with using niche filesystems, hard to get help when they fail
[09:02] <EriC^^> eugenio: start with backing up the hdd using ddrescue and work on the image
[09:03] <eugenio> EriC^^: I'm just working on an image, I have already did the ddrescue image
[09:03] <ducasse> eugenio: i doubt anyone here can help much, try ##linux
[09:03] <EriC^^> or #reiserfs or so
[09:25] <adikwok> dear tomreyn, sorry for late reply. thank you for your guidance, it worked like charm. now i dont need to be worry about root space, . i did your guidance for using gparted from live boot usb. now i had 74gb for linux .. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qz4HwCp5qq/
[09:52] <HaMsTeRs> Hey guys, I'm prepare to install a portable OS.  Should I install it on a SDXC card or USB3?  which one would be faster?   thanks
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> HaMsTeRs: usb always bottlenecks dedicated sticks
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> HaMsTeRs: its good for testing things, but best not for daily driver
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> HaMsTeRs: what will be your endgoal with the portable?
[09:55] <HaMsTeRs> lotuspsychje, my notebook charger died.  It's under warranty, so I'm awaiting Microsoft to send me a new charger.   Now I have to the notebook provided by my company
[09:56] <HaMsTeRs> So I do not want to backup my work and restore to my own notebook when the charger is arrive
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> HaMsTeRs: virtualbox with ubuntu, on work laptop?
[09:56] <HaMsTeRs> They disabled VTx
[09:56] <HaMsTeRs> and locked the BIOS
[09:56] <EriC^^> HaMsTeRs: use some kind of external hdd?
[09:56] <EriC^^> usb tend to die quickly when they run an OS
[09:57] <HaMsTeRs> yes, this is what I'm thinking.  To have a full install on either a USB stick or SDCard
[09:57] <HaMsTeRs> oh
[09:57] <EriC^^> i mean, if you backup regularly and it's just temporary you should be good on a usb
[09:58] <EriC^^> ext hdd would be ideal though
[09:58] <HaMsTeRs> I have a 2TB passbook hdd, but it's kind of heavy to carry it around
[09:58] <EriC^^> maybe an ssd? those things are pretty lightweight
[09:58] <HaMsTeRs> so would USB3 stick faster than an SDXC card?
[09:59] <HaMsTeRs> yea, but pretty expansive also
[10:05] <Reventlov> Hello. Do ubuntu automatically add an IPV6 link-local address to interfaces?
[10:08] <EriC^^> HaMsTeRs: seems that usb3 should be faster than sd card, sd card uses flash storage same as old fashioned usb
[10:08] <EriC^^> HaMsTeRs: https://www.quora.com/USB-vs-MicroSD-Which-is-faster-and-more-reliable
[10:15] <HaMsTeRs> Thanks EriC^^
[10:15] <EriC^^> no problem HaMsTeRs
[10:16] <Reventlov> any idea? (it's just looking for inet6 addresses in your ip a command output)
[10:16] <Reventlov> I have one ubuntu, on which it does not have any ipv6 link-local address, I just want to confirm it's the case on other machines.
[10:20] <HaMsTeRs> This is sth I got http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RxhdBMgMpS/
[11:23] <marlocov> Hello
[11:24] <OerHeks> hi marlocov
[11:25] <marlocov> I'm currently trying to install nvidia drivers for Ubuntu 18.04. I downloaded nvidia-390 and deativated Secure Boot uncommented Wayland and I still get a black screen.
[11:26] <marlocov> In the settings detail is also shows me llvmpipe (LLVM 6.0, 256 bits) instead of Nvidia 1060
[11:27] <tomreyn> hi, is there any written confirmation for the 18.04 support extension (to 10 years), yet?
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: yes, softpedia linux
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: https://news.softpedia.com/news/mark-shuttleworth-says-ubuntu-18-04-lts-will-be-supported-for-10-years-523864.shtml
[11:30] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: thanks, i was rather thinking of anything canonical.com or ubuntu.com
[11:31] <tomreyn> media reports about what was announced at the openstack summit are all over the place.
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: didnt see on official yet myself
[11:31] <OerHeks> video is in that url ...
[11:31] <OerHeks> and he explains his beard :-D
[11:32] <marlocov> Just wondering is this the right place for support ?
[11:32] <HexaByte> Hi guys. In 18.04 LTS we have php 7.2 and ppmyadmin: phpmyadmin/bionic,bionic,now 4:4.6.6-5, which does not work well with 7.2. Here is a issue, here is a fix: https://github.com/phpmyadmin/phpmyadmin/commit/4ef752efb37b2de3ba2349590201d55533ad074b. Fix was in january. Why do we still not have it updated? Where can we submit a bug report? I wish to keep using package for phpmyadmin, not to install it by hand.
[11:32] <tomreyn> marlocov: it is
[11:32] <HexaByte> issue: https://github.com/phpmyadmin/phpmyadmin/issues/13938
[11:32] <tomreyn> (support only in fact)
[11:32] <marlocov> Ah okay
[11:33] <marlocov> After clean installing Ubuntu 18.04 it installed the driver corretly but it had an insane tearing. So I decided to update the Nvidia drivers but now my resolution is locked and only 1 of 3 monitors work
[11:34] <marlocov> System Details also doesn't display my GPU is that normal ?
[11:34] <hateball> marlocov: how did you upgrade your driver? directly from nvidia?
[11:35] <tomreyn> HexaByte: phpmyadmin is in universe, so it's supported by the community
[11:35] <marlocov> I first tried with the .run file. Then resinstall ubuntu and used the ppa
[11:35] <hateball> marlocov: if your card is supported, I'd use nvidia-410 from the ppa
[11:36] <marlocov> I'm using GTX 1060
[11:36] <hateball> then it is
[11:36] <gbellinoz> jadax - a docker container would probably be easiest...
[11:36] <hateball> marlocov: as for the tearing, did you try with ForceFullCompositionPipeline ?
[11:36] <gbellinoz> jadax: ^^^
[11:36] <marlocov> Not really I'm trying to first fix the resolution.
[11:36] <HexaByte> tomreyn: ok, how does one request a version bump, since the default php is 7.2 now
[11:36] <marlocov> Should Secure Boot also be disable ?
[11:37] <HexaByte> is there a bug tracker? issue? how does this work in ubuntu? for packages in universe repo?
[11:37] <marlocov> Because when I desactivated it and used the Nouveau driver it worked, but now it seems like nothing works anymore
[11:37] <tomreyn> HexaByte: but you could file a bug against the package (using "ubuntu-bug phpmyadmin") if you think there are reasons why the current version needs patches or a stable release upgrade (SRU) to a higher version.
[11:38] <hateball> marlocov: you need to have secure boot disabled either in bios or bootloader shim, or the nvidia module wont load as it isnt signed
[11:38] <tomreyn> HexaByte: bugs reported so far: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phpmyadmin/+bugs
[11:39] <marlocov> But when I boot with secure boot disabled I get a black screen with an underscore
[11:39] <HexaByte> tomreyn: tnx for info, seems like it was already reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phpmyadmin/+bug/1767361
[11:40] <HexaByte> oh well, will just create my own ppa or install by hand
[11:40] <HexaByte> universe should not accept brocken packages, if you ask me :-(
[11:41] <tomreyn> HexaByte: i think it wasn't clear that it was buggy at the time.
[11:41] <tomreyn> HexaByte: herE's how you can fix it in ubuntu proper: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[11:41] <tomreyn> rather here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu#Contributing_to_the_Universe_Repository_.28MOTU.29
[11:43] <hateball> marlocov: do you disable secure boot in bios or bootlader?
[11:43] <marlocov> BIOS
[11:44] <marlocov> Should I also disable it in the bootloader?
[11:44] <hateball> marlocov: do you use disk encryption?
[11:44] <marlocov> hateball: no
[11:45] <marlocov> I just just did a Clean Install of Ubuntu
[11:45] <hateball> marlocov: well typically all you should need to do is: have secure boot in bios, follow step 2 here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot/DKMS
[11:46] <hateball> marlocov: and after that use whatever latest driver from nvidia PPA
[11:46] <hateball> and uh... things should "just work"
[11:46] <marlocov> hateball, how do you get the latest?
[11:47] <marlocov> hateball, and you mean "have secure boot enabled in bios" ?
[11:47] <marlocov> or disabled in bios ?
[11:47] <tomreyn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1705369
[11:48] <hateball> marlocov: if you disable it in the shim like in the URL, you can have it enabled in BIOS if you like
[11:49] <hateball> marlocov: and latest short term driver is currently nvidia-driver-410 from the driver ppa
[11:49] <marlocov> Okay thank you I'll try it out
[11:51] <OerHeks> odd, 18.04.1/nvidia 390 works fine here, with UEFI
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> wich version do you use OerHeks
[11:52] <OerHeks> standard gnome
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-driver-390 bionic
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> .77?
[11:53] <OerHeks> jups
[11:56] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:58] <bumblefuzz> hi, I've used 'disks' to restore the ubuntu 18.04.1 image to a USB drive (I tried dd before that) and each time when I try to boot from the USB, the boot-up hangs. Is there any way to turn off the splash screen and see what's hanging? I don't have internet access during boot up so I can't send any pastebinit's... not sure what to do. This has never happened before
[11:58] <elias_a> Good afternoon!
[12:00] <tomreyn> bumblefuzz: what doy ou mean by "the ubuntu 18.04.1 image"?
[12:00] <guiver_d> bumblefuzz: if using grub, you could hit <E> (edit) & remove 'quiet splash' from your linux (kernel) line .. I'd also likely add a '1' & confirm  UID's are okay
[12:01] <piensken> hi, is there an raspberry pi, retropie, kodi channel?
[12:01] <OerHeks> !alis
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> !alis | piensken
[12:02] <bumblefuzz> tomreyn: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[12:02] <bumblefuzz> guiver_d: what's that second part? adding a 1 for what?
[12:04] <guiver_d> bumblefuzz: 1 goes to single user mode (maintenance/repair..) allowing better viewing of things if wrong.. but I assumed you were trying to 'restore' & dd' backup where i'm now thinking you meant an ISO & I'd not use a 1/single for that..
[12:04] <bumblefuzz> I do mean ISO
[12:04] <bumblefuzz> restore is just what I used to ensure I'd written the image to disk
[12:05] <bumblefuzz> I tried dd first and bott hung
[12:05] <bumblefuzz> boot*
[12:05] <tomreyn> bumblefuzz: so you used some version of 'gnome disks' from some OS to write one of the many ISO files listed at https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads to an usb attached storage, tried to boot off it and it failed?
[12:06] <bumblefuzz> tomreyn: at first, I used dd on the cline to write to disk and that boot failed... but yes, what you've written there is what I tried second... and that boot also failed
[12:06] <tomreyn> bumblefuzz: what's "cline"?
[12:07] <guiver_d> bumblefuzz: did you verify the download/ISO was valid before you wrote it?
[12:07] <guiver_d> (Sorry Tom - I'll back off)
[12:07] <bumblefuzz> guiver_d: yes
[12:08] <bumblefuzz> tomreyn: command line
[12:08] <tomreyn> bumblefuzz: search for "create usb" at https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/
[12:08] <tomreyn> guiver_d: i dont mind
[12:10] <tomreyn> bumblefuzz: i've never tried the approahc you took and do not know whether it would work. those tutorials provide recommendations on how to create an ubuntu installer on usb attached storages
[12:10] <bumblefuzz> I'll try yours
[12:12] <tomreyn> !usb | bumblefuzz: if you need more options
[12:15] <onio> I am using ubuntu mate 18.04 the pointer arrow appears large over the desktop but not over opened applications such as chrome or eclipse. Any suggestion on how to resolve?
[12:15] <bumblefuzz> the startup disk app stalled
[12:16] <onio> bumblefuzz: is this response to my issue?
[12:17] <piensken> is it hard to transform ubuntu to a good looking and working os?
[12:17] <bumblefuzz> onio: no
[12:17] <OerHeks> piensken, it is already
[12:17] <onio> bumblefuzz: alright :)
[12:18] <piensken> OerHeks: ja? :p not so nice looking :p
[12:18] <piensken> I need to install gnome or so?
[12:19] <OerHeks> piensken, apply a theme or iconpack, whatever makes your eyes happy
[12:22] <tarzeau> onio: do you have a high resolution display? dpi?
[12:22] <tarzeau> onio: screenshots of the large pointer arror and not large one?
[12:23] <onio> tarzeau: yes
[12:23] <onio> I recently bought a 4K display
[12:24] <tarzeau> onio: do you know if the appliations you run are qt or gtk, and their versions?
[12:25] <tarzeau> unfortunately on linux, it's a big mess, there's no uniform cursor handling, depending on the ui libraries everyont tries to solve it somehow. and there's no one single setting to make it all right
[12:25] <tarzeau> it even gets worse with multiple displays, multiple dpis
[12:25] <onio> tarzeau: not sure, at the moment when I move cursor over pidgin it shows as normal but when move to the destop it get large again
[12:25] <tarzeau> the desktop being gnome-shell ?
[12:26] <onio> Yes, I should believe so. I am running Ubuntu Mate 18.04
[12:26] <onio> I just found this page https://superuser.com/questions/768830/mouse-cursor-scaling-issues-in-xubuntu-14-04-with-xfce-4-10
[12:36] <tomreyn> piensken: ubuntu comes with gnome by default. there are other ubuntu flavours which come with different desktop environments.
[12:40] <tarzeau> onio: that link is exactly the problem description!
[12:40] <tarzeau> onio: and afaik there's no solution :)
[12:41] <onio> I have just tried following but fontconfig-infinality does not work
[12:43] <Cybertinus> lotus|NUC: Thanks for your hints on upgrading from Ubuntu 12.04 yesterday. The machine is now up and running with Ubuntu 18.04. It survived the 3 do-release-upgrade runs I did on it :)
[12:44] <tomreyn> onio: i think mate is still based on gnome 2, isnt it? in this case maybe you should give the default ubuntu a try, which comes with gnome 3
[12:44] <tomreyn> just download the live / installer iso, boot off it and see whether it works any better
[12:45] <mgedmin> Cybertinus: congratulations!
[12:45] <OerHeks> interesting scaling answer, not sure it applies to gtk3 too.. https://askubuntu.com/a/555812
[12:45] <Cybertinus> thnx mgedmin
[12:45] <onio> tomreyn: thanks I would probably give a try
[12:49] <tomreyn> onio: see also https://wiki.gnome.org/HowDoI/HiDpi + https://wiki.gnome.org/HowDoI/HiDpi
[13:07] <gvm> Does anyone know if there's a known issue upgrading from Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS to latest release?  Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS is still on the supprted list but apt-get upgrade, apt-get update and do-release-upgrade all fail, reporting missing items on the servers.
[13:07] <gvm> I've tried changing the server settings in /etc/apt/sources.list to various servers that have been suggested in discussion groups, but without any success.
[13:07] <gvm> Manually looking at these servers shows that they really don't have the versions that my system is looking for.
[13:09] <tomreyn> gvm: do yu have the 'pastebinit' command installed? run: which pastbeinit
[13:09] <tomreyn> gvm: do yu have the 'pastebinit' command installed? run: which pastbinit
[13:09] <tomreyn> gvm: do yu have the 'pastebinit' command installed? run: which pastebinit
[13:09] <tomreyn> sorry, typos :-(
[13:10] <ioria> gvm, you can't upgrade 14.04 to the ' latest release ' which is 18.04 ; you first need 16.04
[13:10] <OerHeks> did you install sudo apt-get install update-manager-core, and edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and set: Prompt=lts ??  https://websiteforstudents.com/upgrade-ubuntu-16-04-lts-to-ubuntu-18-04-lts-beta-server/
[13:10] <mgedmin> gvm: do you have any PPAs or other 3rd-party sources enabled?
[13:10] <gvm> tomreyn: No - I don't have pastebinit
[13:11] <ioria> gvm,  sudo apt install pastebinit
[13:12] <mgedmin> gvm: no, scratch the PPA question; do-release-upgrade disables PPAs -- a better question is which Ubuntu mirror is in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[13:12] <gvm> ioria: I did look for documentation on this, but couldn't find any way to specify an upgrade to from 14.04 to 16.04 first.
[13:13] <ioria> mgedmin, disable yes, override not
[13:13] <mgedmin> do-release-upgrade will upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04
[13:14] <gvm> OerHeks: I'll give that a try.  This is on a virtual machine so I can revert to snapshot if it fails.
[13:14] <tomreyn> gvm: please run this to provide us some basic information on your system and its state:  cat /proc/version /proc/cmdline > /tmp/report; lsb_release -ds >> /tmp/report; sudo apt-get update >> /tmp/report 2>&1; sudo apt -f install  >> /tmp/report 2>&1; apt-cache policy >> /tmp/report 2>&1; cat /tmp/report | nc nc termbin.com 9999
[13:14] <ioria> gvm,  you don't specify an upgrade, the upgrade to 16.04 is automatic
[13:15] <tomreyn> gvm: please remove one 'nc ' off the end of the above series of commands
[13:19] <gvm> mgedmin: I've tried updating the /etc/apt/sources.list with various suggestions from discussion groups - was gb.archive.ubuntu.com originally.  I've tried dropping the "gb" and I've tried old-releases.ubuntu.com.  There are also entries for security.ubuntu.com which seems to have most of the problems.
[13:19] <mgedmin> any proxies in use?
[13:21] <Cybertinus> gvm: you don't need to use old-releases.ubuntu.com, only EOL releases are stored there (so 12.04 and older, if you only look at LTS releases)
[13:21] <tomreyn> gvm: if you could run the abover series of commands, non of whhc changes your system (other than creating temporary file and updating apt's cache), and returned the url where it was posted to, we could probably tell what's happening.
[13:21] <Cybertinus> 14.04 is available on the normal mirrors still
[13:21] <gvm> OerHeks: I get "update-manager-core is already the newest version." and /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades already has  Prompt=lts
[13:21] <HexaByte> Before I reinvent hot water. I need mod_cloudflare but I see CF is not building .debs for 18.04 LTS. Is there a PPA or repo I could fint it in, or should I build from source myself?
[13:22] <gvm> tomreyn: Will do - just got a lot of responses simultaneously so tried the fastest first.
[13:23] <tomreyn> gvm: cool, sorry about the many responses, maybe we should just provide one or two. ;-)
[13:23] <tomreyn> gvm: here's the commands again, this time without typo: cat /proc/version /proc/cmdline > /tmp/report; lsb_release -ds >> /tmp/report; sudo apt-get update >> /tmp/report 2>&1; sudo apt -f install  >> /tmp/report 2>&1; apt-cache policy >> /tmp/report 2>&1; cat /tmp/report | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:25] <HexaByte> hmm it seems CF even stopped development of it's module :/ will just switch to mod_remoteip
[13:29] <tomreyn> HexaByte: i dont know hwether this changed since i last used it, but remoteip used to be pretty dumb when it came to ipv6
[13:31] <tomreyn> i.e. it cut off anything longer than a fixed number of characters, the maximum length of an ipv4.
[13:31] <gvm> tomreyn: netcat can't get through my firewall, so I've put the output here: https://pastebin.com/vXeY3a6k .  Let me know if you'd prefer another method.
[13:31] <HexaByte> tomreyn: i have no other option: https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/203656534-How-do-I-restore-original-visitor-IP-with-Apache-2-4-
[13:31] <tomreyn> gvm: thanks. in the future please consifder using paste.ubuntu.com instead, we like this more.
[13:32] <tomreyn> gvm: right this looks like you have proxy server issues.
[13:33] <tomreyn> gvm: this can be a transparent proxy so you may not have a proxy server configured on this system.
[13:34] <ioria> gvm, your  kernel is 3.13.0-79  ?  (uname -r)
[13:34] <tomreyn> gvm: this said the kerne you're running is 2.5 years old, which is definitely too old (meaningn you missed a lot of updates)
[13:35] <gvm> I do have a proxy server, and it's possible that it might be giving incorrect error codes.  I did try looking (using a browser) in detail for the exact files that were being sought, and they weren't on the servers.  So the 403s might really be missing files
[13:35] <tomreyn> gvm: and ubuntu itself should be version 14.04.5, not  14.05.4. so this proxy server issue has probably been around for a while (or you didnt run the vm for some time)
[13:35] <gvm> ioria: Yes, but it's still on the supported list.  It's an LTS release - 5 year lifespan.
[13:35] <mgedmin> ooh, I had a caching proxy and apt's errors were very confusing to me in older apt versions
[13:36] <gvm> The VM was offline for a long time.
[13:36] <tomreyn> gvm: archive servers wont return 403 status for missing files, wthey'd return 404.
[13:36] <ioria> gvm, you have not upgraded your system in ages
[13:36] <mgedmin> current kernel in trusty-security is 3.13.0.162.172
[13:37] <gvm> tomreyn: Yes, I understand that should be the case, but you were suggesting a proxy server issue and I just said that it's not impossible that an incorrect error code is being reported, given that I can see that the files that are being requested aren't on the servers.
[13:38] <tomreyn> gvm: to get a better idea of what's happening: sudo apt-get -o 'Debug::Acquire::http=1' update
[13:40] <tomreyn> gvm: right, you upt version is so outdated that it tries to access files which are no longer generated.
[13:40] <tomreyn> *apt
[13:40] <gvm> tomreyn: will do that in a second.  Meanwhile I've just looked at the proxy logs to identify the files that are missing.
[13:41] <tomreyn> e.g. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-amd64/Packages is now http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-amd64/Packages{gz,bz2}
[13:41] <gvm> Example: it fails to retrieve http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-security/universe/i18n/Translation-en - NONE/- text/html
[13:41] <mgedmin> that's a 404 for me too
[13:41] <gvm> Checking on the server, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-security/universe/i18n/ exists but nothing below it.
[13:42] <mgedmin> it shouldn't cause any upgrade issues
[13:42] <tomreyn> this last statement doesn't match what i see
[13:42] <tomreyn> gvm: ^
[13:42] <mgedmin> I see Index, and Translation-en.{gz,bz2} on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-security/universe/i18n/
[13:42] <tomreyn> gvm: there, too, you have http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-security/universe/i18n/Translation-en{.gz,bz2}
[13:42] <tomreyn> right
 gvm: right, you apt version is so outdated that it tries to access files which are no longer generated.
[13:43] <tomreyn> and ubuntu 14.04.4 hasn't been supported for a while
[13:43] <tomreyn> just .5
[13:43] <mgedmin> I don't think that's an accurate statement?
[13:44] <gvm> tomreyn:  14.04.4 is still a "supported LTS release" until 2019
[13:44] <OerHeks> maybe worth thinking about creating a fresh VM ?
[13:44] <ioria> he's not using hwe
[13:44] <gvm> According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[13:44]  * tarzeau likes ubuntu-support-status
[13:45] <gvm> OerHeks: That is always an option.  But migrating my installed packages would be painful.
[13:45] <tomreyn> tarzeau: on 14.04? i'm not sure it works there.
[13:45] <tomreyn> tarzeau: that's unless you're all up to date ;)
[13:45] <tarzeau> tomreyn: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=update-manager-core
[13:45] <tarzeau> it's there!
[13:45] <mgedmin> fwiw my last 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrade was on the 4th of September, this year; I've encountered no problems
[13:46] <tarzeau> oh maybe not in the 14.04lts version
[13:46] <mgedmin> I still have one 14.04 server that I plan to upgrade Real Soon Now
[13:46] <tarzeau> tomreyn: is! https://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/all/update-manager-core/filelist
[13:47] <tarzeau> we also still have 5 14.04 machines, 35 16.04, 135 18.04, 1 18.10
[13:48] <ioria> gvm, apart from network and proxy issues ,i'd try with a fresh  sources.list
[13:49] <dhruvasagar> Hi guys, I recently installed ubuntu 18.10 on my desktop, however I am getting low wifi speeds as compared to on windows, looks like it's getting limited to 1 Mb/s somehow, can anybody help me fix this issue ?
[13:49] <dhruvasagar> I have read across several similar issue reports, especially about disabling n protocol and some other work arounds, but none of them seem to have fixed the issue in my case
[13:51] <dhruvasagar> could anybody help me fix this issue ? I am using a usb wifi dongle, if that helps
[13:52] <JimBuntu> dhruvasagar, I can't help with such a problem, but if you have patience, someone with experience and time will reply.
[13:53] <gvm> ioria: Where would I get a version of sources.list would work with 14.04.4 ?
[13:54] <dhruvasagar> JimBuntu: Thanks, waiting
[13:55] <mgedmin> gvm: here's mine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4HgNdTbh4R/
[13:56] <gvm> mgedmin: Thanks - it's a lot shorter than the one I had.  I'm currently just rebooting the server after reverting the VM back 2 days to before my first update attempt, so I can come at this cleanly.
[13:57] <tomreyn> tarzeau: the software is there, but i think it's an older version of it which reports an incorrect state
[13:59] <tomreyn> gvm: correctly, 14.04.x is supported until aptil 2019, where x refers to the latest point release there is.
[13:59] <tomreyn> which is 14.04.5 (not .4)
[14:00] <tomreyn> gvm: (and yes, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases doesn't do a great job at making this understandable)
[14:01] <ntd> try googling "how to update kernel and xorg lts stack"
[14:05] <dhruvasagar> anybody have experience debugging wifi speed issues ?
[14:05] <gvm> tomreyn: I'd agree with you on that. :-)    The line that says "Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS	Trusty Tahr	Changes	July 24, 2014	April 2019"  looks pretty clear about  14.04.1 being supported until April 2019.  The exact meaning of the "HWE" entry for 14.04.4 isn't clear, but I'd "assumed(TM)" that if 14.04.1 LTS was supported then 14.04.4 LTS would be too.    I'm not complaining as such (free software,etc.et
[14:05] <gvm> c.), just surprised.
[14:08] <tomreyn> gvm: if you take a look at where this HWE link points to and scroll down to "14.04.x Ubuntu Kernel Support" it may get clearer
[14:10] <tomreyn> gvm: 14.04.0. and .1 kernels are special in that their kernel (a kernel which is the same minor version as the the one 14.04 originally released with) is supported until the end of 14.04 support. 14.04.4's kernel wa sonly supported for 6 months, though.
[14:11] <gvm> tomreyn: So if I'm reading this right, 14.04.1 is still upgradable because it didn't go down the development dead-end of HWE, but since 14.04.04 did have HWE, it's not upgradable.  Is that right?
[14:11] <tomreyn> this approach has changed in later LTS releases
[14:11] <mgedmin> thing is, not every system that reports itself as 14.04.4 has a 14.04.4 HWE kernel!
[14:11] <gvm> tomreyn: So despite being a LTS release, it died after 6 months.  Ouch.
[14:13] <gvm> So is there a way forward, or is it really a build-a-new-server time?
[14:14] <tomreyn> gvm: the thing is you need to install security updates regularly, same o every other system
[14:14] <tomreyn> i'm not sure about the way forward, i bet there is one, i just dont know it
[14:14] <mgedmin> there should definitely be a way forward
[14:15] <tomreyn> first of all i'd recommend solving the proxy issue.
[14:15] <mgedmin> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && do-release-upgrade, provided no proxy breaks the apt downloads
[14:16] <gvm> tomreyn: Not sure exactly what proxy issue you're seeing.
[14:17] <mgedmin> http 403 errors were mentioned in the scrollback somewhere?
[14:17] <mgedmin> official archives are unlikely to report 403 errors; you'd expect 404 for bad urls
[14:18] <Reventlov> Hello. Do ubuntu automatically add an IPV6 link-local address to *wireless* interfaces? Can you check on your laptop?
[14:18] <Reventlov> I have an ubuntu 18.04, and it seems it's not the case; I want to know whether or not this is a standard behaviour.
[14:19] <mgedmin> gvm: can you pastebin whatever errors you get from apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ?
[14:19] <tomreyn> gvm: chances are that your version of apt would request the .gz|.bz2 variant of URLs if it ran into a 404
[14:20] <tomreyn> (but not on a 403)
[14:20] <mgedmin> Reventlov: I have a link-local IPv6 address on my wifi interface (on a 18.10 laptop with network-manager)
[14:20] <Reventlov> mgedmin: there network-manager is not managing the wireless
[14:21] <sam_wong> I am unable to connect to any telnet sites via the Terminal on ubuntu. Telnet returned "Trying XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX....." and the same message popped up "telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out" Please help
[14:21] <pragmaticenigma> Reventlov: Are you attempting to help another person with a networking issue?
[14:22] <mgedmin> sam_wong: looks like a firewall issue to me
[14:22] <sam_wong> mgedmin: how to deactivate the firewall?
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> sam_wong: It is possible that you have a firewall blocking telnet, or your internet service provider is blocking telnet sessions
[14:23] <Reventlov> pragmaticenigma: no.
[14:23] <Reventlov> I'm trying to find out why there is no link-local ipv6 adress on ubuntu
[14:23] <Reventlov> (on my wireless interface)
[14:23] <pragmaticenigma> Reventlov: Okay, just checking. The typo in your previous message made it appear that you were trying to help someone else.
[14:23] <mgedmin> Reventlov: what piece of software is managing your wifi?  (ifupdown?  systemd-networkd?)
[14:24] <Reventlov> mgedmin: actually, nothing
[14:24] <mgedmin> well, then
[14:24] <Reventlov> but, still, there should be a link-local ipv6 adress, no?
[14:24] <mgedmin> if the interface is down, then I expect no
[14:24] <sam_wong> how to defeat the firewall then?
[14:25] <mgedmin> and I expect the interface to be down if you haven't brought it up
[14:25] <Reventlov> well, the interface is up (I manage it « by hand » with ip and iw)
[14:25] <mgedmin> sam_wong: use a VPN?
[14:25] <tomreyn> gvm: this should get you a way forward: sudo apt-get -o Acquire::CompressionTypes::Order::=gz update
[14:25] <sam_wong> mgedmin: I have no idea
[14:25] <Reventlov> (it's easy for me to solve this issue: just add manually the link-local adress)
[14:26] <pragmaticenigma> Reventlov: If you're not using Network Manager to manage your network connections and are instead managing them yourself, then you will have to add it manually.
[14:26] <mgedmin> hmm, Reventlov, maybe https://serverfault.com/a/659014/42106 would help?
[14:26] <mgedmin> it seems the kernel is supposed to set up link-local addresses, but that can be disabled with a sysctl?
[14:27] <gvm> tomreyn: Thanks - I've just been looking at proxy logs.  One issue is that apt requests URLs that contain spaces.  I've taken one of the URLs that fails with a 404 and put it into firefox.  Firefox escapes the spaces (%20) and the proxy then gives a 403.
[14:28] <Reventlov> mgedmin: yeah, let me search in the sysctl parameters, thanks for the idea !
[14:28] <gvm> tomreyn: So it looks like the proxy might be right - a space isn't a valid character in a URL.
[14:28] <tomreyn> sam_wong: the servers you try to connect to, do they actually run a telnet service on the default port (TCP port 23)? what are you trying to achieve there?
[14:29] <Reventlov> nothing seems disabled
[14:29] <tomreyn> gvm: yes, sounds buggy to me, too, maybe this is a bug which was later fixed in apt?
[14:29] <pragmaticenigma> sam_wong: Are you able to telnet to towel.blinkenlights.nl ? A starwars in ascii art presentation
[14:31] <sam_wong> pragmaticenigma: I am able to connect this site " towel....." but not "ftp.cuhk.edu.hk" as I want to download some files
[14:31] <tomreyn> gvm: the proxy should still not return a 403 status for a location which contains a blank space, expecially if its upstream / backend server would handle it fine. the example url you provided earlier doesn't contain a blank space, though (and still incorrectly returned a 403).
[14:32] <tomreyn> sam_wong: do you know the difference between the telnet, ftp and http protocols?
[14:32] <gvm> tomreyn: The example I gave did contain a space:
[14:32] <gvm> Example: it fails to retrieve http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-security/universe/i18n/Translation-en - NONE/- text/html
[14:33] <gvm> Your IRC application probably truncates the URL at the (illegal) space.
[14:33] <tomreyn> gvm: oh, you're right, i did not read carefully. apologies.
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> sam_wong: If you are able to connect to the site I gave you, but not the one you desire, it's becuase the other site is not running a telnet server. You will have to contact the server administrator to ask for instructions on how to connect to it.
[14:33] <mgedmin> is that really the URL?
[14:34] <tomreyn> gvm: like mgedmin, i'm also not convinced that this is the url the proxy server tried to fetch, but rather additional fields from a log file.
[14:34] <gvm> It's what the proxy records in its log.  I don't have any reason to doubt it.  It records %20 if that's what the browser requests, so it isn't unescaping before logging.
[14:34] <sam_wong> pragmatic: yes, pershap I have to install gftp to get the files I want
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> If the site you are connecting to is an FTP server, yes, you need an ftp program to access it
[14:35] <tomreyn> gvm: have you tried the apt option i suggested earlier? i'd be more interested in whether this works around the proxy issues than to debug the proxy.
[14:36] <gvm> tomreyn: I did, but it fails with spaces in the URLs...
[14:37] <sam_wong> Pragmatic: yes, they are of different protocols, thank you for your assistance
[14:37] <tomreyn> gvm: oh, you didn't say that these errors still occurred with the Acquire::CompressionTypes::Order option in place, so i assumed your statement about blank spaces referred to previous attempts.
[14:37] <mgedmin> I'm still not convinced those %20 aren't from when you tried url-with-spaces in your firefox
[14:38] <gvm> The %20 was from firefox.  The log contains actual spaces when the same file is requested by apt.
[14:39] <tomreyn> gvm: can you show a proxy log line where a file was missed due to spaces while using apt-get with Acquire::CompressionTypes::Order::=gz ?
[14:39] <gvm> This is from apt: TCP_DENIED/403 1502 GET http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-backports/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages - DIRECT/91.189.88.152 text/html
[14:39] <tarzeau> tomreyn: that'd be a bug and should be fixed then...
[14:39] <mgedmin> the apt changelog doesn't mention anything about URLs
[14:39] <gvm> This is the same request from Firefox: TCP_MISS/404 612 GET http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-backports/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages%20-%20DIRECT/91.189.88.152%20text/html - DIRECT/91.189.88.161 text/html
[14:40] <mgedmin> because you're misinterpreting log file columns that are not part of the URL as if they were part of the URL
[14:40] <tomreyn> tarzeau: how would you fix a version of a package in an old, unsupported point release?
[14:40] <mgedmin> the URL apt attempted to download is http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-backports/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages, and it's a 404 because the Packages file is compressed
[14:40] <gvm> Hold on - those weren't the right URLs.
[14:41] <mgedmin> if the proxy returned a 404 instead of a 403 apt should figure this out
[14:41] <gvm> Those were from the Acquire:Compression attempt.
[14:41] <tarzeau> tomreyn: good point...
[14:43] <tomreyn> ;-)
[14:44] <gvm> tomreyn, mgedmin: The spaces are a red herring.  Looks like I'd just copied an extra field from the log file.  Sorry about that.
[14:44] <mgedmin> the TCP_DENIED/403 is a problem
[14:47] <tomreyn> gvm: no worries. can you make sure that your proxy is allowed to connec to all of the IPv4 (+v6, if operable) addresses gb.archive.ubuntu.com resolves to?
[14:57] <Zgrokl> hello what's the command way to update iptables persistent on ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS ? i tried netfilter-persistent save but doesn't work
[14:59] <leftyfb> netfilter != iptables
[15:04] <dhruvasagar> my wifi connection on linux is significantly slower than on windows with the same hardware
[15:04] <dhruvasagar> I am using a usb wifi dongle
[15:06] <mgedmin> dhruvasagar: you can use wavemon to see connection details like tx/rx rates etc, but I'm not sure it would help figure out why
[15:06] <pragmaticenigma> dhruvasagar: define slower
[15:06] <mgedmin> googling for "ubuntu" and the wifi device make/model might or might not help
[15:09] <gvm> tomreyn,mgedmin,tarzeau: Got it.  It was the proxy server (sort of).  I'd migrated the ubuntu server to a network segment that had no permission to access the proxy server.  The DENIED errors weren't from the remote server, they were referring to my ubuntu server not being on the proxy server's permitted list.
[15:09] <mgedmin> ah yes, I didn't realize this was worth clarifying
[15:10] <mgedmin> I had so much pain from squid-deb-proxy, but it was a long time ago and I forgot what was surprising
[15:11] <gvm> tomreyn,mgedmin,tarzeau: 14.04.4 is now happily updating (fingers crossed).
[15:11] <mgedmin> congrats!
[15:12] <tomreyn> gvm: glad you worked it out, and it's good to know it's not an issue with ubuntu itself (this time ;-) )
[15:13] <pragmaticenigma> !yay | gvm
[15:13] <dhruvasagar> pragmaticenigma: speedtest suggests I am at 10Mbps, whereas on windows I am usually 80+Mbps
[15:13] <NTQ> Hi. I am more and more struggling with this firefox fontconfig bug. I am barely able to use my browser properly. I just compiled fontconfig-2.13.1 and "sudo make install"ed it but it seems not to change anything.
[15:13] <dhruvasagar> mgedmin: even iwconfig does give me some info in that regards
[15:13] <NTQ> I am using Ubuntu 18.04 and my default fontconfig version is 2.12.6-0ubuntu2
[15:14] <mgedmin> 'sudo make install' is not a great idea; expect breakage (if not now, then later, when you upgrade your OS)
[15:14] <pragmaticenigma> dhruvasagar: It sounds like you are going to have to do a little research on your wireless adapter and how to improve performance on Ubuntu.
[15:14] <dhruvasagar> pragmaticenigma: you're right, i've been doing that, but I haven't figured out a great deal yet, that's why asking for help in the right direction
[15:15] <pragmaticenigma> dhruvasagar: Providing the channel with the make and model of the wireless adapter we can help in that endeavor
[15:15] <dhruvasagar> pragmaticenigma: how do I determine that ?
[15:15] <tomreyn> NTQ: you may also want to point outt what "this firefox fontconfig bug" is, and your firefox versionn, in case it's not default.
[15:15] <mgedmin> it should be printed on the box the usb wifi adapter came in?
[15:16] <mgedmin> or lsusb might show something
[15:16] <dhruvasagar> pragmaticenigma: under iwconfig, it shows me the bitrate is 1Mbps, it doesn't change
[15:16] <mgedmin> huh, and yet you said you saw 10Mbps from speedtest?
[15:16] <mgedmin> interesting
[15:17] <dhruvasagar> mgedmin: it's a tplink usb wifi dongle
[15:18] <tomreyn> dhruvasagar: please post the url returned by "lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999"
[15:18] <NTQ> tomreyn: It's this one: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1076412/firefox-freezing-with-100-cpu-usage-for-30-seconds-when-launching-chromium
[15:18] <NTQ> The problem is not firefox itself but a change in fontconfig as I understand
[15:18] <dhruvasagar> tomreyn: http://termbin.com/9ssv
[15:18] <pragmaticenigma> dhruvasagar: some drivers power save by reducing the throughput... the reported value may shift when active
[15:19] <dhruvasagar> pragmaticenigma: mgedmin the model is TL-WN823N
[15:19] <dhruvasagar> pragmaticenigma: i read about that, but from iwconfig I see that power saving is off
[15:20] <mgedmin> google gives me https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/my-wireless-dongle-tp-link-tl-wn725n-is-very-slow-%96-is-it-setup-properly-4175600132/
[15:20] <mgedmin> google is stupid
[15:20] <dhruvasagar> pragmaticenigma: http://termbin.com/6ppf
[15:20] <gvm> tomreyn,mgedmin,tarzeau: Thanks for all your help on this - and alll others who contributed.  Update is still in progress but is looking good.
[15:20] <mgedmin> WN725N != WN-823N
[15:21] <mgedmin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsTP-Linkhas WN822N, but no WN823N
[15:21] <mgedmin> well, last update from 2015, not too surprising
[15:22] <tomreyn> dhruvasagar: apparently that's a TP-LINK TL-WN823N, vendor / device id is: 2357:0109. you may want to run "sudo update-usbids" to get this to show up in "lsusb" output properly. but it wont fix the throughput issue.
[15:23] <dhruvasagar> tomreyn: thanks for that, http://termbin.com/wxh1
[15:23] <dhruvasagar> pragmaticenigma: http://termbin.com/wxh1
[15:23] <tomreyn> gvm: you're welcome. i know it can be annoying fiddling with such things, proxy issues are no fun.
[15:24] <tomreyn> dhruvasagar: see, looks better now.
[15:24] <geodb27> People : hi ! I've updated some servers (do-release-upgrade) from 16.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS. Things went fine, however, I use to access these servers with konsole from my kubuntu laptop, and when these same servers were running 16.04, I could use Ctrl+pageUp to go back in the screen history. Since the update on the servers I cannot. What was changed on the servers that forbids me to do as I did before ?
[15:24] <dhruvasagar> trying out https://github.com/Mange/rtl8192eu-linux-driver/issues/30
[15:24] <mgedmin> geodb27: screen/tmux?
[15:25] <dhruvasagar> tomreyn: my modules.conf is blank
[15:25] <geodb27> mgedmin: All servers always run /bin/bash on login. And the TERM has always been set as xterm-256color (unless ? Let me try out something)...
[15:26] <geodb27> even with setting TERM=linux don't change anything.
[15:26] <tomreyn> dhruvasagar: i did not mention "modules.conf"
[15:26] <mgedmin> geodb27: do you have byobu installed on the servers?  is LC_BYOBU set in your environment?
[15:27] <mgedmin> do you have a /etc/profile.d/Z97-byobu.sh file on your servers?
[15:27] <mgedmin> does /etc/byobu/autolaunch exist?  do you have LC_TERMTYPE in set your environment?
[15:27] <geodb27> byobu seems to be installed indeed. The LC_BYOBU env var is not set.
[15:28] <dhruvasagar> tomreyn: that was in reference to https://github.com/Mange/rtl8192eu-linux-driver/issues/30
[15:28] <geodb27> There is a /etc/profile.d/297-byobu.sh file indeed.
[15:28] <dhruvasagar> tomreyn: I am just adding that line to that file as suggested, lets see
[15:28] <geodb27> and LC_TERMTYPE is not set
[15:43] <die7> how to remove multiarch or disable it in preseed file?
[15:43] <basalt> hi i have 18.10 and on login i can choose between, Ubuntu, Ubuntu Communitiytheme,  Ubuntu Communitiytheme on Xorg, Mate, Unity, whats the default on a clean 18.10 installation ?
[15:44] <lotuspsychje_> basalt: ubuntu on xorg
[15:44] <lotuspsychje_> basalt: but will show just as ubuntu
[15:45] <basalt> lotuspsychje_ how can i get rid of the others ?
[15:46] <basalt> or is this not really required to remove the others
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> basalt: what you installed yourself, can be purged again too
[15:48] <pragmaticenigma> basalt: it isn't required to remove them, your machine will work under any of them. There are some advantages and disadvantages to keeping or removing them
[15:48] <basalt> ok thx
[15:57] <dannyLopez> Hi
[15:58] <mgedmin> to remove login sessions, figure out what package ships them (dpkg -L /usr/share/{wayland-sessions,xsessions}/something.desktop) and uninstall those packages
[15:59] <dannyLopez> I need a little help in this case: T do find /eg -iname *.pdf, but I don't know how to annex the rsync -avh
[15:59] <dannyLopez> I*
[16:00] <mgedmin> "annex"?
[16:00] <pragmaticenigma> I think the meant to append
[16:01] <mgedmin> you want to rsync all the pdf files in a directory tree somewhere else?
[16:01] <transhumanist> hi can anyone tell me whats wrong with the following command?    sudo firewall-cmd --direct --add-rule ipv4 filter FORWARD 0 -m em1 --physdev-is-bridged -j ACCEPT
[16:01] <dannyLopez> mgedmin: Yes
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> transhumanist: check in #netfilter
[16:02] <transhumanist> thanks
[16:02] <dannyLopez> I mean rsync /eg /egBK
[16:02] <mgedmin> hm, find /stuff -iname '*.pdf' -exec rsync -avh {} user@targethost:/targetdir +, but that would smush them all into one destination directory
[16:02] <mgedmin> okay, this is harder than I thought, if you want to preserve the directory structure
[16:03] <mgedmin> rsync -avh /stuff --exclude='*' --include='*.pdf' user@targethost:/targetdir ?
[16:04] <dannyLopez> mgedmin: The structure is not important, because the folder egBK is the folder with all the pdf
[16:04] <mgedmin> not sure how to do it case-insensitively
[16:04] <mgedmin> --include='*.[pP][dD][fF]'
[16:05] <mgedmin> if all the PDFs are in a single folder, you can just rsync -avh /stuff/*.[pP][dD][fF] user@targethost:/targetdir
[16:05] <mgedmin> (as long as there aren't too many of them; the kernel has command-line length limits)
[16:06] <dannyLopez> Is in the same computer mgedmin
[16:20] <pragmaticenigma> dannyLopez: What I don't understand is if you are using find... why aren't you using cp command then? you can pass options to ignore existing files
[16:23] <dannyLopez> pragmaticenigma: Is functional? I mean, in the folder /eg I put news *.pdf all days
[16:30] <mr_paz> hello - i'm running ubuntu 18.04, fresh install, on older hp pavilion dv6.  laptop will not suspend or hibernate.  when i close lid, laptop stays on, and when I reopen lid screen has errors.  when i run 'pm-hibernate' it hibernates for about 2 seconds then resumes.  I have scoured google and cannot find anything definitive.  anyone here have any ideas??  thank you
[16:32] <rleigh> Hi folks.  When will the openjdk11 package in 18.04 be updated from 10 to 11, now that 11 is released?  I assume this was the intention, but haven't found any documentation or discussion about it.
[16:33] <devlakh> hello :)
[16:33] <devlakh> I have a problem i am stuck , my HDMI audio just says [unplugged]
[16:34] <devlakh> Thanks :)
[16:36] <tomreyn> rleigh: i assume only the package manager knows the answer to this, who may be a debian maintainer. have you checked launchpad and bugs.debian.org for related bug reports, yet?
[16:37] <tomreyn> mr_paz: 18.04.0 or 18.04.1 ?
[16:38] <tomreyn> if it's .0 you should install all pending updates, reboot and retry. also consider a firmware (BIOS) upgrade.
[16:39] <mr_paz> tomreyn, .0
[16:39] <mr_paz> i will install updates and see about bios, thank you
[16:40] <pragmaticenigma> dannyLopez: I don't know what you're doing, and it's not really important. If all you desire is to move PDF files from one directory, to another, there is no need for rsync if you are using find. Look at the man pages for the programs you are using. there is a lot of information in them about how they work and how to use them to accomplish your task
[16:40] <tomreyn> mr_paz: this returns the current BIOS version and (hopefully) exact model name: dmesg -t | grep ^DMI:
[16:41] <rleigh> tomreyn: I had a look around, but didn't spot anything informative.  It's already 11 in 18.10.  But for 18.04 the package is named 11 but versioned 10, so was hoping it would be updated to the final release (since 10 is already out of support for security etc.)
[16:41] <pragmaticenigma> rleigh: Ubuntu strives for stability. Unless OpenJDK 10 is out of it's support cycle, it will not be replaced by 11 unless absolutely necassary.
[16:42] <tomreyn> rleigh: being out of support upstream doesn't neccessarily mean it's outof support in ubuntu. it's common that security patches are backported even after upstream stopped supporting a release.
[16:42] <pragmaticenigma> !latest | rleigh
[16:45] <rleigh> pragmaticenigma: It is out of its support cycle; it was 6 months from March.  Hence the question.
[16:46] <rleigh> The package name+version indicated an intention for it to be updated at some point, and it's clear it will need to be updated during the LTS lifetime, so this is the reason for asking.
[16:48] <pragmaticenigma> rleigh: as was also mentioned... see what ubottu posted ... if it were to be released at all, it would come during a point release, not in the middle.
[16:49] <nacc> rleigh: you're asking about openjdk 11?
[16:49] <rleigh> Yes, I'm fully of that reality.  I was hoping someone might be able to confirm that it would be updated for the next point release.
[16:49] <rleigh> nacc: Yes.
[16:50] <nacc> rleigh: one sec, let me find the bg
[16:50] <nacc> *bug
[16:50] <dannyLopez> pragmaticenigma Tks
[16:51] <tomreyn> rleigh: amazon has just announced they'll be maintaining an openjdk based java distribution, adding support for ubuntu in spring (or "early"?) 2019, and incidentially february '19 is when 18.04.2 is planned.
[16:52] <nacc> rleigh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-lts/+bug/1796027
[16:52] <OerHeks> emm i found this
[16:52] <nacc> rleigh: it will happen, it just takes time
[16:52] <OerHeks> !info openjdk-11-jdk
[16:53] <nacc> rleigh: and ignore all the "+1" comments from users that don't understand packages or anything about java in that bug :)
[16:53] <OerHeks> oops, still 10, cosmic gives 11
[16:53] <OerHeks> !info openjdk-11-jdk cosmic
[16:53] <nacc> OerHeks: yes, that's because 11 wasn't out when 18.04 came out
[16:53] <tomreyn> rleigh: while thisd doesn't answer your question, this is going to improve the java long term support situation in linux distributions (outside of oracles' java distribution)
[16:53] <nacc> OerHeks: it will get updated, but updating requires rebuilding a bunch of other packages
[16:53] <nacc> OerHeks: since the default will shift, and isn't ABI compatible
[16:54] <OerHeks> nacc i know, i thought i found the real 11 for bionic, my bad
[16:54] <nacc> OerHeks: yeah it was confusingly done (to users that read version numbers, but sensibly done for developers)
[16:55] <rleigh> nacc: Thanks!
[16:55] <nacc> rleigh: yw
[17:23] <Perdellian> so what's the difference between the Hack typeface and Deja Vu Sans Mono?
[17:23] <Perdellian> I'm not right off seeing anything
[17:39] <pragmaticenigma> Perdellian: This isn't a great forum to ask that kind of question. This channel is more focused on supporting the configuration and operation of Ubuntu.
[17:49] <jluc> true
[18:07] <bin_bash> when running sudo update-alternatives –config editor
[18:07] <bin_bash> there are "statuses"
[18:07] <bin_bash> what's the difference between auto v manual?
[18:07] <bin_bash> ive never seen this before, and cant find anything about it
[18:08] <bin_bash> i changed my editor to vim.basic, and the changes i make are not applied. im assuming this has something to do with "manual mode" but have no idea what
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> bin_bash: about a third of the way down the page explain auto and manual: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man8/update-alternatives.8.html
[18:17] <bin_bash> oh it seems i was looking at the wrong manpage
[18:21] <bin_bash> pragmaticenigma: based on this, it doesnt seem like the manual/auto has anything to do with visudo updating... any ideas?
[18:21] <pragmaticenigma> visudo isn't managed via the editors group
[18:22] <bin_bash> i mean the changes im making via visudo are not applyinh
[18:23] <teward> bin_bash, confirm that EDITOR=vim visudo
[18:23] <teward> bleh, confirm that 'EDITOR=vim visudo' applies the correct editor though
[18:23] <teward> i assume you're calling that with sudo as well?
[18:23] <teward> (because 'EDITOR' that it refers to is not an update-alternatives IIRC, it's an env var)
[18:24] <bin_bash> yes im doing it with sudo as well as trying with root
[18:24] <bin_bash> teward: when i run that it opens with vim, but the changes still do not apply
[18:25] <teward> how do you mean 'do not apply'?  Do the changes actually save, but just not "work"?
[18:25] <bin_bash> correct
[18:25] <teward> or do you mean they don't get stored/saved at all?
[18:25] <teward> did you logout and log back in to make sure it wasn't a session cache issue?
[18:25] <bin_bash> they get saved into sudoers.tmp as expected (as far as i can tell)
[18:25] <bin_bash> but not applied
[18:25] <bin_bash> and yep, logged out and back in
[18:25] <teward> bin_bash, check /etc/sudoers - do you not see the changes there?
[18:25] <bin_bash> it seems the changes stay in sudoers.tmp and never make it
[18:25] <teward> (without using visudo)
[18:25] <bin_bash> nope i dont see them there
[18:26] <bin_bash> thats whats weird
[18:26] <teward> bin_bash, are you doing `:wq` when within vim BEFORE doing :q to exit out?
[18:26] <teward> (or just :w even)
[18:26] <bin_bash> i'm doing just :w
[18:26] <teward> if it fails it'll spit an error message at you
[18:26] <bin_bash> it's writing to sudoers.tmp
[18:26] <bin_bash> idk why it's writing to a tmp file
[18:27] <TJ-> bin_bash: that is what visudo does
[18:27] <teward> bin_bash, well, visudo will not write to file /etc/sudoers if it detects a syntax issue, hence why it starts by writing to a .tmp file
[18:28] <teward> if there's a syntax or sudoers config error in what you changed
[18:28] <teward> it won't apply and will complain
[18:28] <teward> OTHERWISE it will apply the change.
[18:28] <bin_bash> it hasnt complained, thats the weird bit
[18:28] <bin_bash> all i tried to dow as remove an entry for testing lol
[18:28] <TJ-> bin_bash: are you editing a file in /etc/sudoers.d/ or editing /etc/sudoers file itself?
[18:28] <bin_bash> /etc/sudoers.tmp
[18:29] <teward> what's the full command you're entering when calling visudo?
[18:29] <TJ-> bin_bash: You're editing a .tmp file ?
[18:29] <teward> bin_bash, share the **exact command** you're entering
[18:29] <bin_bash> visudo
[18:29] <bin_bash> that's it
[18:29] <lordcirth> bin_bash, as root?
[18:30] <TJ-> bin_bash: bin_bash Oh... you mean *whilst in vim* you see the path to the file you are editing is "/etc/sudoers.tmp" !
[18:30] <TJ-> bin_bash: OK, that makes more sense now :)
[18:30] <teward> but that's normal
[18:30] <teward> so why it's not applying changes after is unknown.
[18:31] <bin_bash> either as root or as my user using sudo
[18:31] <bin_bash> either way the change isnt applied, thats what's so weird
[18:31] <TJ-> bin_bash: visudo makes a copy of /etc/sudoers to /etc/sudoers.tmp, lets you edit it, then when you :wq (write,quit) it checks the syntax before copying that file to /etc/sudoers
[18:31] <bin_bash> i did expect it to be sudoers.tmp, but i expected the change reflected in the main sudoers file
[18:31] <bin_bash> do i have to quit?
[18:31] <lordcirth> bin_bash, so, it neither complains nor writes to /etc/sudoers ?
[18:31] <lordcirth> Yes, you need to quit
[18:31] <lordcirth> It calls the editor and continues when it exists
[18:31] <lordcirth> exits*
[18:31] <teward> bin_bash, yes you need to quit - use :wq instead of just :w next time
[18:32] <teward> if it errors you have a problem, if not then it will make the changes
[18:32] <bin_bash> ahhh i didnt realize i had to quit
[18:32] <bin_bash> okay let me see
[18:32] <TJ-> bin_bash: although it is always better to drop a separate file in /etc/sudoers.d/ so as not to change the package-installed /etc/sudoers - helps avoid issues with package upgrades that may change things
[18:33] <lordcirth> Yeah, .d dirs are good
[18:33] <lordcirth> Also so much easier for config management tools
[18:33] <TJ-> bin_bash: in which case you'd do something like "sudo visudo /etc/sudoers.d/mysudofile"
[18:34] <TJ-> grrr, typo
[18:34] <TJ-> bin_bash: in which case you'd do something like "sudo visudo -f /etc/sudoers.d/mysudofile"
[18:34] <teward> *hands TJ- coffee*
[18:34] <bin_bash> oh closing it fixed it.
[18:34] <bin_bash> wow i cant believe i didnt know that
[18:34]  * bin_bash slaps the "dolt" sticker on forehead
[18:35] <bin_bash> thanks guys, turns out i'm the idiot this time :D
[18:55] <TheHonorableKitt> how do I create a new nic on Ubuntu Server 18.04LTS with no ip (as in accordance to this tutorial for Snort Inline IPS: http://sublimerobots.com/2016/02/snort-ips-inline-mode-on-ubuntu/
[18:58] <capella> https://www.wsj.com/articles/lawyer-asks-supreme-court-to-rule-on-matthew-whitakers-role-as-acting-attorney-general-1542411319?mod=e2tw
[18:58] <capella> Bah sorry
[18:59] <capella> off topic
[19:00] <hggdh> capella: np
[19:00] <capella> thanks basic tabfail :)
[19:00] <hggdh> :-)
[19:01] <bin_bash> capella: heh couldve been a lot worse for sure
[19:01] <capella> ty :)
[19:15] <davanger> just installed ubuntu on my mbp and Im very impressed. I think everything seems to be working even the WIFI which I could never get going in other distros.
[19:16] <davanger> graphics are good, machine is running smooth.
[19:28] <pragmaticenigma> That's great to hear ... If you have support questions, this is the perfect place to ask them. For commentary, chat, or other topics, please check out the #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[19:28] <pragmaticenigma> davanger: ^ ^
[19:32] <TJ-> davanger: which model/year is it? We get a lot of users in with MBPs of various years with little issues here and there. Would be good to know ones that don't!
[19:35] <technobi> Hello All. Quick question. Fruity Loops 20 refuses to find  MIDI under Uubuntu 18.04 apt-get install wine-devel. Any  hint? Thanks
[19:36] <genii> !appdb | technobi
[19:36] <genii> Their appdb usually has whatever tweaks noted also, to get specific programs working
[19:37] <technobi> Thank You
[19:50] <davanger> TJ.: mid 2014 15"
[20:05] <Greyztar> possibel reasons for traceroute to fail other than firewall?Can use on host but not in vm,can do ping though
[20:11] <ahi2> try dig
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> Greyztar: is the VM bridged to the primary network or is the VM being provided an IP address from the VM managment software (NAT mode). Can the VM reach outside resources? Is a firewall too restrictive on the chain?
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> ahi2: dig is for DNS, not the same as a traceroute
[20:12] <Greyztar> pragmaticenigma: thanks for asnwering,i can ping outside,also if use traceroute -I i get seems last hop i dont know,its in nat mode but firewall is just accept all :)
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> Greyztar: what are you using as a VM platform?
[20:13] <Greyztar> pragmaticenigma: qemu-system-x86_64 command i used
[20:14] <pragmaticenigma> Greyztar: does traceroute work if you turn of reverse dns lookups?
[20:14] <Greyztar> pragmaticenigma: how i turn that off though?
[20:15] <sruli> TJ-: since i removed the gpu drivers yesterday i have a few issues, vlc not working among others, any ideas what to do?
[20:16] <pragmaticenigma> Greyztar: what command are you using to perform your traceroute?
[20:17] <Greyztar> pragmaticenigma: im using traceroute 1.1.1.1
[20:19] <pragmaticenigma> Greyztar: the option "-n" turns off the reverse lookup: traceroute -n 1.1.1.1
[20:19] <Greyztar> pragmaticenigma: cheers ill give it a go
[20:21] <Greyztar> pragmaticenigma: didnt do anything,it show the ip though of target ?
[20:21] <Greyztar> pragmaticenigma: find it really weird seeing as ping and everything else works and firewall is open
[20:22] <Greyztar> pragmaticenigma: though for ping to work had to pass sysctl parameters
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> Greyztar: There is something in the configuration of the VM or the host machine that is preventing the traceroute from completing... you might want to ask in #ubuntu-server, or a qemu specific channel. I'm not seeing any reason why you couldn't complete the traceroute
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> qemu is something I'm not too familiar with
[20:24] <Greyztar> pragmaticenigma: yeah i think so too,ive tried alot of googling cant find any other than firewall solutions and such,thanks much for your help (,")
[20:25] <TJ-> sruli: the only thing I can think of is like with nvidia vs nouveau, the Xorg libraries change, or it uses MESA. You'd need to closely analyse the error messages from vlc
[20:26] <sruli> TJ-: will make some time for that in the next few days, thanks
[20:27] <TJ-> sruli: could be something like vlc is still trying to make use of the amdgpu-rpo VAAPI layer, which I don't think the open-source amdgpu drivers support from what I read (could be wrong on that, though)
[20:27] <sruli> TJ-: i purged vlc* and reinstalled, so doubt that
[20:28] <TJ-> sruli: it wouldn't be vlc's fault; it would the lingering amdgpu-pro bits.
[20:28] <TJ-> sruli: if the userspace layer is advertising "I can do VAAPI" but then the kernel driver doesn't... boom
[20:28] <sruli> TJ-: i know that, other than installing propriatory drivers dont really know what to do
[20:29] <TJ-> sruli: see what errors vlc reports in debug mode in the terminal, trace them
[20:32] <ioria> sruli, your card and kernel/ubuntu version  again ,please ?
[20:34] <sruli> ioria: forgot, how do i ge tthe car dmodel number?>
[20:35] <ioria> sruli, lspci -k | grep -EA4 'VGA|3D' | pastebinit
[20:36] <ioria> sruli, and you forgot also how to get the kernel/ubuntu  version  ?
[20:36] <sruli> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nSFfPdrNXf/ ubuntu 16.04 kernel 4.15.0-39-generic. (its not the same machine i had the problem a few weeks back, that was 18.04 disabling amdgpu here did not help needed to completly purge amdgpu drivers)
[20:38] <sruli> TJ-: when i launch vlc from command line and open a video file i get this output in terminal http://termbin.com/c7w2
[20:40] <ioria> sruli, the output it's not clear.... what is a RX 460 , you know that ?
[20:41] <sruli> ioria: yes, just found the packaging, sapphire nitro radeon rx 460 oc 4gb gddr5
[20:42] <ioria> sruli, and what's the problem with the opensource amdgpu ?
[20:45] <sruli> ioria: for the past month or so kernels newer than 4.4.0-137 had no keyboard input on plymouth screen and login loop (when i tried booting through recovery mode > resume) yesterday same issue with 4.4.0-137, someone suggested i enable lts stack for newer kernel but same issue
[20:47] <ioria> sruli, so you cannot login atm ?
[20:47] <sruli> ioria: only managed to boot normally after purging amdgpu-pro*
[20:48] <sruli> ioria: but am having some display issues (screen flickering, vlc not working...)
[20:48] <ioria> sruli, you can login or not ?
[20:49] <sruli> ioria: i can, but only after purging amdgpu-pro*
[20:49] <ioria> sruli, how did yo upurge it ?
[20:49] <TJ-> sruli: what command line options did you use for vlc? "vlc --verbose 2" ?
[20:49] <ioria> sruli, you don't  purge amdgpu-pro* , you run the unistall script
[20:51] <sruli> ioria: i wasnt able to run the uninstall, too many dependencies and errros, i ran "for amdgpupkg in $(dpkg --list | grep amdgpu-pro | awk '{print $2}'); do echo $amdgpupkg; sudo dpkg --purge --force-all $amdgpupkg; done" after that i ran uninstall
[20:51] <p1l0t> route -n shows the gateway correctly and I can ping it, but yet I cannot ping out to anything outside my LAN... What am I missing?
[20:52] <ioria> sruli, what i think so far: 1) you installed the wrong version  of -pro 2) you  have not unistalled in the correct way ( but i might be wrong)
[20:52] <sruli> ioria: i never installed it, just what ubuntu installed when i installed ubuntu
[20:54] <sruli> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mHjyFPwskD/
[20:55] <sruli> ioria: i didnt find another way to uninstall it was throwing too many errors, in anycase how do i proceed?
[20:57] <omry> Hi, I have a problem with Ubuntu 16.04 on a system with dual nvidia gpus. for some reason I am not getting a blank screen in the text terminals (ctrl-alt-F1-6), any idea what could be going on here? this is before installing the nvidia drivers
[20:58] <TJ-> sruli: that's good news, "Segmentation Fault" - we can catch that in the debugger. Try this "gdb --args /usr/bin/vlc --verbose 2" . When you get the "(gdb)" prompt type "run". When it faults get a backtrace by doing "bt full" and then pastebin that.
[21:01] <sruli> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8WnBqXqSs7/
[21:01] <TJ-> sruli: we need the bit after you've typed "bt full"
[21:02] <sruli> TJ-: oops missed that part, 1 min
[21:03] <sruli> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xyjsD9pt8D/
[21:10] <TJ-> sruli: look at line 373 of https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8WnBqXqSs7/ and you'll see it detects several hardware decoders. I suspect 1 or mor of those is somehow being linked to stray amdgpu-pro code. If you read the "AMDGPU PRO" section here you'll see it talks about the -pro shipping userland drivers for VAAPI/VDPAU but that the F/OSS AMDGPU also provides the same, but less functional/performant.
[21:10] <TJ-> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AMDGPU
[21:11] <TJ-> sruli: So, I suspect the crux of your issue is you've got amdgpu-pro userland libraries still installed. If those share the same filenames as the F/OSS libraries then the obvious way to fix that would be to force a --reinstall of the amdgpu F/OSS libraries
[21:12] <sruli> TJ-: how do i do that? and will that not take me back to where i was yesterday when i wasnt able to boot?
[21:13] <TJ-> sruli: You could also do a debsums run first see if any of the installed checksums don't match
[21:13] <TJ-> sruli: as in "debsums | grep -v OK"
[21:14] <TJ-> sruli: if you get any failures, and they look like libraries of any kind, you can then identify the package and "apt-get --reinstall install <package>" for each
[21:15] <sruli> TJ-: running it now
[21:16] <TJ-> sruli: to identify the package use "dpkg -S path/to/file/that/failed"
[21:18] <sruli> TJ-: i have alot of REPLACED, i guess i can ignore all the /usr/share/locale-langpack/ ones?
[21:19] <sruli> TJ-: these are the failed ones https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bXPMSWqQmd/ should i check all?
[21:22] <TJ-> sruli: REPLACED might be a worry depending on the cause. Those FAILED though are right where I expected them, in the GPU driver libraries
[21:22] <TJ-> sruli: focus on fixing those FAILED for now because I'd expect those may solve the remaining display glitches
[21:23] <sruli> TJ-: output of "dpkg -S /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/radeon_dri.so" is "libgl1-mesa-dri:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/radeon_dri.so" not sure what i need to do to proceed
[21:23] <TJ-> sruli: using that as an example, "sudo apt-get --reinstall install libgl1-mesa-dri:amd64"
[21:24] <omry> TJ- , sruli : you could verify package files with dpkg -V NAME
[21:24] <omry> if you are talking about nvidia and mesa - than yes - for sure the nvidia driver is messing up the mesa package.
[21:25] <sruli> TJ-: do i need to worry about the i386 too or only amd64 packages
[21:26] <omry> sruli: dpkg -V libgl1-mesa-dri should tell you if any files in that package got modified after installation.
[21:26] <TJ-> omry: I find dpkg --verify too noisy
[21:26] <omry> TJ-: only if any files are modified :)
[21:27] <TJ-> omry: no, we're not dealing with nvidia
[21:27] <sruli> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kyxWwxVkK5/ lots of "?" not sure what they mean
[21:27] <sruli> TJ-: omry: ^
[21:27] <TJ-> sruli: ignore that and carry on as you were; re-install the packages identified
[21:27] <omry> sruli: it means it got modified, so yeah - a reinstall of the package can help you. in any case - I will let TJ- help you, too many cooks :)
[21:27] <harovali> hi, is ther a way to debug why lightdm.services is failing to start?
[21:28] <harovali> I've been fiddling with things
[21:28] <sruli> TJ-: will reinstall all of those, do i need to to reinstall the i386 packages aswell?
[21:28] <harovali> Would like not to reinstall
[21:28] <harovali> ubuntu 18.04 LTS
[21:29] <omry> harovali:  look at the xorg log for hints
[21:29] <harovali> Omry I will
[21:29] <falz> 'lo. ubuntu 18 appears to evenly prefer wired+wireless when both are connected (netstat -nr shows both with default gateways). is there a native way to have it prefer wired over wireless if present? I do not recall this behavior in previous versions
[21:29] <sruli> omry: thanks, sometime many cooks are required ;-)
[21:29] <TJ-> sruli: any package that reports a failure, so if that includes i386 packages, yes
[21:30] <falz> i see suggestions online of forcing a metric of an interface, but that doesn't seem clean with network-manager
[21:30] <omry> sruli:  I just came to ask a question, don't want to antagonize people who are answering questions :)
[21:30] <TJ-> falz: usually the default routes have different metrics
[21:30] <Greyztar> is it the most popular thing to backup config files to github fro backup?Or Ubuntu got something of its own?
[21:30] <falz> TJ-: they didnt seem to from what i could see: http://pastebin.falz.net/1508279
[21:31] <TJ-> falz: yuk! use "ip route show"
[21:31] <falz> actually unsure how to see metric on linux i guess
[21:31] <falz> ip command still to new to enter my brain :)
[21:32] <TJ-> falz: the old "route" also shows metrics
[21:32] <falz> ah, i chose the only command that didn't. http://pastebin.falz.net/1508281
[21:33] <falz> guess it is setting metric and what i was troubleshooting isn't related to this
[21:33] <falz> (synergy seems slow like it's operating over wifi)
[21:33] <falz> i'll look at other things, thanks much
[21:34] <harovali> omry: please see https://pastebin.com/npfHhX5q
[21:34] <falz> i think i stuck with netstat -nr since it worked across linux/bsd/unix, lowest common denominator
[21:34] <falz> changememind_meme.png goes here i guess. anyhow, thanks
[21:35] <omry> harovali: looks like. what is the problem you are seeing?
[21:35] <omry> are you sure there isn't any more after that in the log?
[21:36] <TJ-> falz: the issue most likely is you've got two NICs on the same subnet, so ARPs might be answered on either NIC. You'd need to enforce source-based routing locally to prevent that
[21:36] <xpe2> Hi everyone! I have been having an issue due to a Linux kernel bug that was introduced by L1TF/Foreshadow mitigations for the last few months. The bug has been fixed in 4.19 and has been backported to the kernels used by 16.04 and 18.10 a while ago, but unfortunately I am on 18.04. I assume there is nothing I can do about that other than upgrading to a newer kernel myself? Is there any place to recommend patches that should be backported?
[21:36] <xpe2> I am not sure if this is the right place to ask...
[21:36] <harovali> omry: completely sure, this is what's there ; I'know this is really little
[21:37] <TJ-> harovali: you need the logs under /var/log/lightdm/ there is a x-0.log and others
[21:37] <sruli> TJ-: all the failed ones were only 1 package libgl1-mesa-dri, installed, will reboot shortly
[21:37] <omry> harovali: after you restart the X server, is it running?
[21:37] <TJ-> sruli: you should only need to restart the display manager (log-out or from a console do "sudo systemctl restart lightdm")
[21:38] <sruli> TJ-: have lots of gui things running, will do that shortly
[21:38] <harovali> omry: nope, not now
[21:39] <omry> tell me how you restart it and how you verify it's not running.
[21:39] <harovali> omry: , for sure this is a driver thing
[21:39] <omry> also look at dmesg to see if it says something about it crashing
[21:42] <harovali> omry: dmesg looks like this https://pastebin.com/DhewnjeP
[21:43] <harovali> omry I restart like this : https://pastebin.com/aXtkT05N
[21:44] <TJ-> harovali: as I said earlier, you need to look at /var/log/lightdm/x-0.log and other logs in that directory
[21:44] <harovali> i'd like to fall back to nouveau /nvidiafb
[21:44] <harovali> TJ-: sorry; Iĺ peek there
[21:44] <sruli> TJ-: thats what my lightdm showed yesterday, you think harovali might have similar issue ?
[21:45] <TJ-> sruli: buses always come in threes :D
[21:46] <sruli> TJ-: visit london.. they come in dozens ;-)
[21:46] <harovali> sruli: tell me about what you faced
[21:46] <sruli> harovali: you use amdgpu?
[21:46] <harovali> sruli: nope, a 304 nvidia crap
[21:47] <sruli> harovali: so it aint same issue
[21:47] <harovali> sruli: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430]
[21:47] <TJ-> Could be
[21:47] <harovali> sruli: thx
[21:47] <TJ-> nvidia and nouveau/mesa drivers confusion
[21:48] <harovali> TJ building the nvidiadrivers from tarball tends to litter the system
[21:48] <harovali> TJ yes probably
[21:49] <TJ-> harovali: shouldn't need to build from tarball, Ubuntu has the legacy drivers in the repos
[21:49] <harovali> I ran a loop over dpkg listing and reinstalled all system packages, but nothing changed
[21:49] <harovali> TJ I tried that too
[21:50] <harovali> TJ Iĺ  try again
[21:50] <TJ-> harovali: show is the log file; that'll likely have clues
[21:50] <MikeRL> Anyone know how I can opt out of phased updates on Ubuntu 18.10?
[21:52] <nacc> MikeRL: it's the same as it was in prior releases, I'd assume
[21:52] <nacc> MikeRL: www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=127
[21:54] <MikeRL> nacc, so add Update-Manager::Never-Include-Phased-Updates “True”;?
[21:54] <MikeRL> nacc, I'm sorry the quotation marks confused me.
[21:54] <nacc> MikeRL: i guess so? I'm not sure why you want to do it, though?
[21:56] <nacc> MikeRL: oh and yes to the quotes around "True"
[21:57] <harovali> TJ I pasted it https://pastebin.com/npfHhX5q https://pastebin.com/DhewnjeP
[21:59] <sruli> TJ-: on 18.04 should it not be gdm rather than lightdm?
[22:00] <TJ-> sruli: oh, if you're using ubuntu/gnome, possibly.
[22:00] <TJ-> sruli: "gdm3"
[22:00] <TJ-> sruli: but I thought we looked at lightdm logs on your system too?
[22:00] <sruli> harovali: what flavor of 18.04 are you using?
[22:00] <harovali> sruli: yes, it is what's installed by default. Then, in 18.04 x11vnc does not work with gdm3 , it is suggested to switch to lightdm , anyway the problem is the same if I switch back to gdm3
[22:01] <sruli> TJ-: i am on 16.04 but was asking about harovali
[22:01] <harovali> sruli: 18.08LTS x86_64
[22:01] <harovali> s/18.08/18.04/
[22:02] <MikeRL> Why would I want to do it nacc ? Because I detest waiting for updates. I like living on the edge.
[22:04] <TJ-> harovali: ahhh, the x-0.log is copied over from /var/log/Xorg.0.log so it is the same. So let's see "pastebinit /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log"
[22:04] <sruli> harovali: wont help with your current issue, but i manage to remote with x11vnc to 18.04 on gdm3, only thing i need to do different is it wont wotk if i dont specify the display port "x11vnc -usepw -display :0"
[22:07] <nacc> MikeRL: but disabling it, means you wait, aiui
[22:07] <nacc> MikeRL: you want to use apt-get directly
[22:07] <TJ-> MikeRL: if you disable PhasedUpdates you'll be last to receive them
[22:10] <sullivan> Hi, I'm having some trouble with my display driver (amdgpu), could someone help me debug it please?
[22:10] <harovali> sruli: interesting thanks !
[22:10] <TJ-> MikeRL: if you want to be the vanguard you need to set Update-Manager::Always-Include-Phased-Updates "True"
[22:10] <harovali> TJ aparently things in  /var/log/lightdm/  get logged after the stage at which this is failing
[22:11] <TJ-> harovali: those logs are created by lightdm itself
[22:11] <MikeRL> TJ-, thank you.
[22:11] <TJ-> harovali: if lightdm is failing they should show how far it got
[22:12] <TJ-> harovali: you could also try "journalctl -p warning --since yesterday"
[22:12] <TJ-> harovali: or if the failure was more recent, "journalctl -p warming --since '2 hours ago' "
[22:12] <TJ-> s/warming/warning
[22:13] <sruli> sullivan: what trouble are you having?
[22:15] <sullivan> sruli: black screen after boot, have to use recovery/nomodeset to get GUI; console error I have been able to log is along the lines of 'VGACON disables amdgpu'
[22:15] <sruli> TJ-: thats the next bus ^
[22:16] <TJ-> sruli: I'm off to bed! You're the expert on andgpu now :D
[22:16] <sruli> TJ-: i wish lol, good night, thanks for yuor help
[22:17] <sruli> sullivan: when you get to gui after recovery are you able to login to a normal session?
[22:17] <sullivan> sruli: yes
[22:18] <sruli> sullivan: so not the same issue i had, maybe try to remove splash from grub?
[22:19] <harovali> TJ thanks too
[22:19] <TJ-> sullivan: show us "cat /proc/cmdline"
[22:19] <sullivan> sruli: I tried to change to nosplash, but same behavior.  Can only get responsiveness from recovery/nomodeset
[22:20] <TJ-> sullivan: "nomodeset" with cause " [drm:amdgpu_init [amdgpu]] *ERROR* VGACON disables amdgpu kernel modesetting"
[22:20] <TJ-> s/with/will/
[22:22] <en1gmaa> hi
[22:22] <sullivan> TJ: maybe that would explain why simply editing grub entry with nomodeset lets me get to login but still no GUI, but recovery actually works
[22:25] <TJ-> sullivan: without nomodeset what is the problem?
[22:26] <sullivan> Same as I described above, though unable to view console for errors
[22:29] <sullivan> TJ: output of cat /proc/cmdline is /boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-39-generic root=UUID=....... ro recovery nomodeset
[22:34] <TJ-> sullivan: We've found often that video mode errors are caused when GRUB is put into graphics mode (which is the default). It seems to cause problems for the kernel modesetting on some systems. I often recommend setting "GRUB_TERMINAL=console" in /etc/default/grub and "sudo update-grub" then a reboot.
[22:35] <sullivan> Only other steps I've been able to find/think of to try is a kernel upgrade and switching to lightdm (I should probably roll that one back)
[22:35] <sullivan> TJ: I will try that
[22:36] <DrManhattan> TJ-, at the very least you can read the console output a lot better that way. I do that by default as well.
[22:36] <sruli> TJ-: going for a reboot now, fingers crossed
[22:37] <sullivan> TJ: so, being a complete scrub, after uncommenting the relevant line in /etc/default/grub in console...  How do I save changes?
[22:38] <TJ-> sullivan: save the file you mean?
[22:38] <sullivan> Yes
[22:38] <TJ-> sullivan: if you've saved the file then you have to do "sudo update-grub"
[22:39] <TJ-> sullivan: saving depends on what editor you are using!
[22:40] <sullivan> TJ: i'm in root console under recovery, I just typed edit /etc/default/grub and uncommented the line.  I only use gedit so don't know the syntactical command to save cuz i'm a scrub
[22:42] <TJ-> hmmm, I don't know what "edit" is. I use 'vim'
[22:43] <TJ-> sullivan: apparently that is part of the "mime-support" package !
[22:43] <sruli> TJ-: rebooted fine, still have the same issue with vlc and screen flickering
[22:44] <TJ-> sruli: you'll have to rinse and repeat the previous operations. Check those REPLACED issues next
[22:45] <TJ-> sruli: you need to determine what the heck caused them. The only thing I can think is PPA packages replacing archive packages
[22:48] <sruli> TJ-: debsums are the same, same failed files
[22:49] <sruli> TJ-: should i remove the /var/opt/amdgpu-pro-local. ./ ppa?
[22:50] <sullivan> TJ: alright, I have grub in terminal mode or whatever now.  I also learned a little about vim, so I found that silver lining I've been looking for since this started
[22:50] <TJ-> sruli: FAILED again? the same files?
[22:51] <sruli> TJ-: yes exactly the same
[22:52] <TJ-> sruli: after you'd --reinstalled-ed those packages did you think to re-run debsums on those package names alone, to see if they were no longer reported?
[22:52] <sruli> TJ-: all those files are just 1 package, will try reinstall and debsums now
[22:52] <TJ-> sruli: if not, I'd suggest you --reinstall that/those package(s) again now, then run "debsums <packagename>" and see how it goes
[22:52] <TJ-> sruli: I thought it was 2 packages; the :amd64 and :i386 versions
[22:53] <TJ-> sruli: I dismissed the pastebins from earlier though so can't check, but I thought the paths had /i386/ and /x86_64/
[22:53] <sruli> TJ-: sudo apt install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri installs both
[22:54] <sruli> TJ-: output of install https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5Wx698KD2b/
[22:54] <sruli> TJ-: debsums shows exact same errors
[22:54] <TJ-> sruli: really? I thought that only did the installed architecture, not foreign-architectures too
[22:55] <TJ-> sruli: that doesn't look correct to me! It isn't supposed to do that :)
[22:56] <sruli> TJ-: but its me, if i dont break it, it finds a way to break itself ;-)
[22:56] <TJ-> sruli: what does "dpkg --print-architecture; echo "foreign"; dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" report?
[22:57] <sruli> TJ-: amd42, foreign, i386
[22:57] <TJ-> sruli: maybe the apt logic has changed and I didn't notice it; I'm used to having to specify the architecture when doing those things
[22:57] <sruli> TJ-: s/42/64
[22:57] <TJ-> sruli: wow, amd42 huh? :D
[22:57] <TJ-> sruli: that looks correct. Hmmm, I seem to have learned something new
[22:59] <sruli> TJ-: i tried reinstall again with amdgpu-pro-local repo enabled and disabled, after both debsums returns same failed
[22:59] <sullivan> How can I slow down the console scroll at boot and read the entries?
[22:59] <TJ-> sruli: there is something broken there, possibly in package management
[22:59] <TJ-> sullivan: you can't and you shouldn't
[23:00] <sruli> TJ-: install -f reports all good
[23:00] <sullivan> I suppose logs then?  Just don't know what
[23:01] <TJ-> sullivan:  you can read it later once the system is started, with "journalctl -b"
[23:01] <TJ-> sullivan: "-b" shows the 'boot' logging
[23:02] <sullivan> TJ: Not if I can't get a console lol, unless I start in recovery I still getnothing after boot
[23:03] <tgm4883> sullivan: you can't switch to a virtual terminal after boot?
[23:04] <sruli> TJ-: any other things i could try?
[23:06] <sullivan> TJ: just double checked to verify, after boot I get a black screen, Ctrl+alt+F2 does not give me console.  Have to go through recovery
[23:06] <TJ-> sruli: if the checksums on the files are still not matching those declared by the packages in /var/lib/dpk/info/<package>.md5sums (which is what 'debsums' checks) then there is an ongoing problem there
[23:06] <TJ-> sullivan: do you have another Linux PC you can SSH into this problem PC from?
[23:07] <TJ-> sullivan: with these kinds of issues its much easier to use remote control to explore/control
[23:07] <sullivan> Uhhhhhhh I mean I guess I can go unpack a laptop and teach myself real quick
[23:08] <TJ-> sullivan: on the problem PC you need to do "sudo apt install openssh-server"
[23:08] <TJ-> sullivan: and I'd recommend setting a static IP address on it rather than DHCP whilst doing this, so you don't have to keep on discovering what IP address it was given!
[23:09] <sullivan> It should have reserved IP...
[23:09] <TJ-> sullivan: OK, that would help
[23:09] <sruli> TJ-: should "libgl1-mesa-dri" be listed in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ?
[23:10] <TJ-> sruli: is this 16.04?
[23:10] <sruli> TJ-: yes
[23:11] <sruli> TJ-: found it there
[23:11] <TJ-> sruli: I don't have a 16.04 here with GUI on, but I do have 18.04 which has "/var/lib/dpkg/info/libgl1-mesa-dri:amd64.md5sums"
[23:11] <sruli> TJ-: i have it, what do i do with it?
[23:11] <TJ-> sruli: nothing :D
[23:12] <TJ-> sruli: it's used by 'debsums' - best you can do is check its timestamp ensure it is recent
[23:12] <Kazdax> i just installed ubuntu
[23:13] <sruli> TJ-: libgl1-mesa-dri:amd64.list timestamp is now (reinstall) but rest including .md5sums is from June
[23:13] <Kazdax> i am looking to install virtual box
[23:14] <nicekiwi> heyyy, how do I enable OSD notifications when I change the volume? in Ubuntu 18.10
[23:15] <TJ-> sruli: is this the package version? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/18.0.5-0ubuntu0~16.04.1
[23:17] <Kazdax> i am trying to do sudo apt-get update
[23:17] <Kazdax> but it says there is a lock
[23:17] <sruli> TJ-: dpgk reports that version yes
[23:17] <Kazdax> the downloads of the updates are installing
[23:17] <neildugan> I have a remote lxc vm that I can use ssh to from my laptop as root but I can't connect as a user .... both the root and the user have the same .ssh/authorized_keys  ... so why do I get an "Permission denied (publickey)." only when trying to connect as the user not root?
[23:17] <Kazdax> could it be because of that ?
[23:18] <sruli> Kazdax: yes its becuase of that apt has a lock so only 1 instance can run at a time
[23:18] <Kazdax> k
[23:18] <Kazdax> how do i know when my downloads are finished or see how much is left
[23:18] <TJ-> sruli: right, I've got the buildlog for that package, if you search down for "libgl1-mesa-dri_18.0.5-0ubuntu0~16.04.1_amd64.deb" you'll see the list of files and timestamps/sizes.   https://launchpadlibrarian.net/374544749/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.mesa_18.0.5-0ubuntu0~16.04.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[23:19] <sruli> Kazdax: it running in the background?
[23:19] <Kazdax> well i checked the task bar to see if its there
[23:19] <Kazdax> but it isnt
[23:20] <Kazdax> hold on ..i see it now
[23:20] <Kazdax> its installing the updates ..i guess once thats done i can do what i want too
[23:20] <Kazdax> which is installing virtual box
[23:20] <Kazdax> wasnt there some inbuilt capabalities of linux to do VM stuff
[23:20] <Kazdax> QEMU ?
[23:20] <Kazdax> virt-managr i think
[23:21] <Kazdax> was the GUI for it
[23:21] <sruli> Kazdax: virt manager
[23:21] <Kazdax> ya i will look for that rather than virtual box
[23:21] <Kazdax> thats better right ?
[23:22] <sruli> Kazdax: thats what i use /qemu/kvm/virt manager
[23:23] <Kazdax> cool
[23:26] <sruli> TJ-: these are my files https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PyGt3FzGH2/ and this is from the buildlog https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bvw6DNbDgq/ the file sizes are completely different but the dates are the same except for a few which have today’s date
[23:27] <catopett1> I see that the MS/WINDOWS is to be discontinued and reached EOL in 2025. I HOPE LINUX TAKES OVER then
[23:29] <neildugan> catopett1, what is going to replace it?
[23:30] <sullivan> catopetti: wishful thinking.  they'll do something else anti-consumer i'm sure
[23:30] <TJ-> sruli: there's your problem in all those symlinks "radeon_dri.so -> /opt/amdgpu/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/radeon_dri.so" ... what is/was in /opt/amdgpu/ because that is NOT an archive path, so you've got something non-standard there
[23:30] <TJ-> sruli: does "dpkg -S /opt/amdgpu/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/radeon_dri.so" help?
[23:32] <sruli> TJ-: output is "libgl1-amdgpu-mesa-dri:amd64: /opt/amdgpu/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/radeon_dri.so"
[23:32] <catopett1> sullivan: After what i read, the MS comes with a BRAND NEW OS, more like Linux, and mostly possible OPEN SOURCE
[23:32] <TJ-> sruli: "apt-cache policy libgl1-amdgpu-mesa-dri:amd64" and take note of where the installed package comes from
[23:33] <TJ-> catopett1: that is off-topic; if you don't have a support issue please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:33] <sruli> TJ-: this is what we are looking for "500 file:/var/opt/amdgpu-pro-local ./ Packages" ?
[23:33] <catopett1> So all softwareproducers have to change platform, to new os, i hope thay choose LINUX
[23:33] <koxmoker> APT package seem to autoupdate in 18.04 desktop as long as it's available in the setup repositories. If you install somthing using taskel, will it automatically update the packaes you installed using it when ubuntu autoupdates like it does with packages that were installed with APT?
[23:34] <TJ-> sruli: can you pastebin that entire report? That looks really WRONG
[23:34] <sruli> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5VKynSZbWQ/
[23:34] <sullivan> brb
[23:35] <lordcirth_> catopett1, Be wary of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.  But this is kinda offtopic here.
[23:35] <TJ-> sruli: WHAT the HECK have YOU been DOING to THAT poor UBUNTU!?!
[23:35] <TJ-> sruli: "file:/var/opt/amdgpu-pro-local" is the URL to the installation archive!!
[23:36] <TJ-> sruli: "sudo grep -rn 'file:' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}" and find out which file you've got that points to that location
[23:36] <sruli> TJ-: been using it to its fullest ;-)
[23:36] <TJ-> sruli: Why always me when you break it though!?! :D
[23:37] <TJ-> sruli: a BAD, local, package has been installed every time due to that; The Ubuntu archive package is not being installed
[23:37] <sruli> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yyjMMBng7N/ (i broke nada, it climbed the ladder itself and fell)
[23:38] <TJ-> sruli: try this: "sudo add-apt-repository --remove amdgpu-pro-local"
[23:38] <sruli> TJ-: now try to reinstall that package?
[23:38] <TJ-> sruli: then "sudo apt update" *then* --reinstall that/those packages
[23:39] <TJ-> sruli: now, "apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-dri" should show the Ubuntu package version and URL
[23:39] <sruli> TJ-: output of grep -rn 'file:' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} still the same :-(
[23:40] <sruli> TJ-: apt-cach still show the same too
[23:40] <TJ-> sruli: ok, manually: "sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/amdgpu-pro-local.list*"
[23:41] <sruli> TJ-: what about amdgpu-pro.list.save rm it too?>
[23:42] <TJ-> sruli: I was going to leave that /just/ incase you need to refer to it. .save files are ignored
[23:42] <Richard_Cavell> What version of gcc is with Ubuntu 18.04?
[23:42] <Richard_Cavell> And Ubuntu 18.10 too please
[23:43] <sruli> TJ-: the file line is no more in apt-cahce will try reinstall now
[23:45] <TJ-> !info gcc bionic | Richard_Cavell
[23:45] <sruli> TJ-: smae output for ls -lah /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/ apart from timestamps which updated to now
[23:45] <TJ-> !info gcc cosmic | Richard_Cavell
[23:45] <Richard_Cavell> thx TJ-
[23:46] <neildugan> I have a remote lxc vm that I can use ssh to from my laptop as root but I can't connect as a user .... both the root and the user have the same .ssh/authorized_keys  ... so why do I get an "Permission denied (publickey)." only when trying to connect as the user not root?
[23:49] <koxmoker> When I use APT to install a package, that package seems to auto update when Ubuntu updates. Will the same be true if you use tasksel to install a package?
[23:52] <hggdh> koxmoker: yes, it will
[23:52] <TJ-> neildugan: "the same" or copies of files?
[23:52] <koxmoker> hggdh: Thanks a bunch!
[23:52] <koxmoker> What a time saver for installing the LAMP stack then...
[23:53] <sruli> neildugan: as TJ- asks, check the permissions on the user authorized_keys file
[23:54] <sruli> TJ-: have to go home, will see what happens tomorrow
[23:55] <TJ-> sruli: I'm supposed to be in bed! good luck :)
[23:55] <sruli> TJ-: thanks so much, good night
[23:55] <neildugan> TJ-, identical contents, different files
[23:55] <sruli> neildugan: what are the permissions on the files?
[23:55] <TJ-> neildugan: OK, so ownership isn't shared then. Was wondering about permissions.
[23:56] <neildugan> sruli, "-rw------- 1 neil neil 1178 Nov 20 22:18 /home/neil/.ssh/authorized_keys"
[23:57] <sruli> neildugan: in sshd_config whats the path for keyfiles?
[23:57] <TJ-> neildugan: the only thing I can think is you've got something in sshd_config that is different for root
[23:57] <sruli> TJ-: might be a hard link /root/...
[23:57] <sruli> TJ-: i menat absolute path
[23:57] <TJ-> neildugan: what SSH command do you use for connection for the 2 usernames?
[23:58] <TJ-> neildugan: is it like "ssh root@hostname" and "ssh neil@hostname" ?
[23:58] <neildugan> sruli, "grep keyfiles /etc/ssh/sshd_config " doesn't return anything
[23:59] <sruli> neildugan: grep "AuthorizedKeysFile"
[23:59] <neildugan> TJ-, exactly
[23:59] <TJ-> neildugan: so no local (on laptop) Host: entries in ~/.ssh/config then
[23:59] <sullivan> TJ: what is the command to restart the ssh daemon service?