[00:00] <kc2bez> ok. It threw an error for me. but `mount.cifs` did not. I did have to install !cifs-utils
 my question, how, who, where decide to put things like a removable drive or not.
[00:01] <teward> kc2bez, mount.cifs and mount -t cifs are synonymous
[00:01] <teward> mount -t cifs calls mount.cifs
[00:01] <teward> just how mount -t ext4 calls the corresponding mount.<FSTYPE> command
[00:01] <teward> (sorry late reply)
[00:02] <teward> it'd help to know the error you're seeing though
[00:02] <teward> for better diagnosis
[00:02] <teward> I'd help but E:NOVMs
[00:03] <kc2bez> thanks. I will run it again. It may have been the cifs-utils or lack of.
 almots 100% certain it's the cifs-utils not being present
[00:13] <teward> kc2bez, once I'm at work tomorrow I Can do a test to see if it works, I've got anh 18.10 test VM there and the workplace cifs shares
[00:13] <teward> if it works with cifs-utils installed then I'd chalk it up to not having that installed
[00:14] <teward> (it's one of the things I ALWAYS install with my bootstrapper post-install scripts)
[00:14] <kc2bez> I just tested it, it works either way. Still doesn't show on the desktop which was the original bug report.
[00:15] <guiverc> wxl: re: lxde & center/centre; I'm testing 19.04 so LXQt  - but i believe that would fix main issue
[00:15] <kc2bez> They were on 18.04
[00:15] <teward> kc2bez, can you do me a favor and do a test?
[00:15] <kc2bez> yes
[00:15] <teward> create a dedicated dir under /media/ called testing
[00:15] <teward> mount to that dir
[00:15] <teward> IIRC things under /mnt/ don't list
[00:15] <teward> and that's always been the case since 14.04 on all variants
[00:16] <teward> since (guaranteed as recently as)*
[00:16] <kc2bez> ok makes sense, I put it in /mnt force of habit I guess
[00:16] <teward> kc2bez, yep, hence the additional test dir for /media/
[00:16] <wxl> upstream super key bug closed as won't fix so workaround it is
[00:16] <teward> got a link to the bug/task?
[00:16] <teward> i'll make a comment
[00:17] <kc2bez> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1790924
[00:17] <wxl> major premise is that openbox is NOT the canonical window manager of openbox so where there are conflicts with how openbox does things shouldn't be an lxqt issue https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1605#issuecomment-440473609
[00:18] <kc2bez> They were mounting to /Public which may not show either I guess.
[00:19] <teward> /Public is a thing?
[00:19] <teward> last I saw that, that was a Mac thing
[00:19] <teward> unless they made it themselves
[00:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: "major premise is that openbox is NOT the canonical window manager of openbox" lolwat
[00:20] <teward> kc2bez, once I get a VM back up I'll see if I can reproduce or fix
[00:20] <wxl> of lxqt
[00:20] <teward> it may be related to *where* the mountpoint sits on-disk
[00:21] <teward> or if it's /etc/fstab'd
[00:21] <teward> (I know we're crosstalking sorry!)
[00:21] <kc2bez> I'm following
[00:22] <kc2bez> Typing in my terminal too.
[00:24] <teward> (my apology was to wxl heh)
[00:24] <kc2bez> Sorry wxl
[00:24] <teward> *sits on wxl in the interim*
[00:25]  * wxl bites
[00:25] <kc2bez> It worked in /media I think the issue is the mount point.
[00:25] <teward> kc2bez, i'm almost certain it is, system automount is to /media/*
[00:25] <teward> kc2bez, make another dir outside of mnt and add it to /etc/fstab
[00:25] <teward> then try and mount it
[00:25] <teward> see if it works then
[00:26] <tsimonq2> Hey wxl I'm about to fix our langpack issue completely, once and for all.
[00:27] <teward> orly
[00:27] <tsimonq2> mhhhhhm
[00:27] <teward> *won't believe until he sees it8
[00:29] <wxl> i saw that
[00:29] <wxl> excited
[00:31] <tsimonq2> docEbrown: Heya
[00:31] <docEbrown> yo
 One other issue I've been having is the mouse clicks near the taskbar that would click and drag a program ie firefox and kill the process
 Same goes with actual Firefox tabs
 Is there any way to make lubuntu less sensitive to click and drag events?
[00:32] <tsimonq2> docEbrown: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZFXM9T3qVr/
[00:32] <teward> kc2bez, or even just create a dir at /Public and mount there and see
 Like any click event at the slightest will kill a process
[00:32] <teward> i'll bet you it's that mountponit problem
[00:33] <tsimonq2> OHHHHHHH docEbrown 
[00:33] <tsimonq2> run_lugito doesn't actually run Lugito, does it? :P
[00:34] <docEbrown> ha sorry! There are a couple of ways.  If you pip install -e . 
[00:34] <teward> i could have told you that tsimonq2 i discovered that an eon ago LOL
[00:34] <docEbrown> you can just type lugito
[00:34] <docEbrown> and it will run
[00:34] <tsimonq2> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[00:35] <kc2bez> @teward you are right. No go on /Public nor anything else I have tried.
[00:36] <docEbrown> I got the paste, I'll have  a look after work this afternoon if thats ok
[00:37] <tsimonq2> Sure.
[00:37] <docEbrown> just to confirm the quotes are actually characters in the password right e.g. abc123"some"stuff
[00:37] <tsimonq2> docEbrown: ...so you said I can just type "lugito"?
[00:37] <tsimonq2> No, the characters are not part of the password.
[00:37] <tsimonq2> The password is something like this: foo-bar_baz
[00:37] <docEbrown> ahh, take the quotes out
[00:39] <tsimonq2> Aha
[00:39] <tsimonq2> Aaaand it's in I think!
[00:39] <docEbrown> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NCFxRR78k2/
[00:39]  * docEbrown ;)
[00:40] <tsimonq2> Except segfaults.
[00:40] <tsimonq2> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fj9jP7p3MY/
[00:40] <docEbrown> really!? 
[00:41] <tsimonq2> yup
[00:42] <tsimonq2> hmm
[00:43] <docEbrown> can you post a pip freeze for me?
[00:43] <tsimonq2> Working on it
[00:43] <docEbrown> or just try pip install -r requirements.txt
[00:43] <docEbrown> I may have missed a package out of the setup.py
[00:44] <tsimonq2> So, I blame teward 
[00:44] <tsimonq2> Because
[00:44] <tsimonq2> Successfully installed Click-7.0 Flask-1.0.2 Jinja2-2.10 MarkupSafe-1.1.0 Werkzeug-0.14.1 asn1crypto-0.24.0 cffi-1.11.5 cryptography-2.4.1 distro-1.3.0 entrypoints-0.2.3 httplib2-0.11.3 idna-2.7 itsdangerous-1.1.0 jeepney-0.4 keyring-16.1.0 launchpadlib-1.10.6 lazr.restfulclient-0.14.2 lazr.uri-1.0.3 lugito oauthlib-2.1.0 pbr-5.1.1 phabricator-0.7.0 pycparser-2.19 secretstorage-3.1.0 
[00:44] <tsimonq2> setuptools-40.6.2 six-1.11.0 testresources-2.0.1 versioneer-0.18 wadllib-1.3.3
[00:44] <tsimonq2> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[00:44] <tsimonq2> :P
[00:44] <docEbrown> pip freeze gave you a seg fault?
[00:44] <teward> the heck are you blaming me for now
[00:45] <tsimonq2> Because you did it teward 
[00:45] <teward> did what
[00:45] <teward> other than drop a nuke on the server
[00:45] <tsimonq2> docEbrown: No, pip3 install -e .
[00:45] <docEbrown> that is very strange....
[00:46] <teward> is this 18.04?
[00:46] <teward> or 18.10?
[00:46] <tsimonq2> 18.04
[00:46] <teward> *tests something on his stationary cruddy desktop*
[00:46] <docEbrown> is this in a virtualenv?
[00:46] <teward> s/desktop/workstation/
[00:46] <tsimonq2> pip3 install keyring
[00:46] <tsimonq2> that works
[00:46] <tsimonq2> docEbrown: no
[00:46] <tsimonq2> *shot* teward 
[00:47] <teward> tsimonq2, whats the requirements.txt content
[00:47] <tsimonq2> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'keyring.util.escape'
[00:47] <tsimonq2> teward: uh
[00:47] <tsimonq2> sec
[00:47] <teward> thats what she said
[00:47] <teward> *shot*
[00:47]  * tsimonq2 yeets https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lugito/ at teward 
[00:47] <docEbrown> do a pip uninstall lugito, pip install -r requirements.txt 
[00:47] <docEbrown> pip install .
[00:47]  * tsimonq2 throws a banana peel at teward 
[00:49] <teward> tsimonq2, send me test perms to use?
[00:50] <teward> i'mma test locally to see if I can repro
[00:50] <teward> or is its data already in the repo
[00:52] <tsimonq2> FIXED IT
[00:52] <docEbrown> boom! What was it?!
[00:53] <tsimonq2> I blame teward 
[00:53] <tsimonq2> pip3 installed local packages that were broken
[00:53] <tsimonq2> Archive versions worked.
[00:53] <teward> simon sacrificed a goat lol.
[00:53] <teward> just kidding
[00:53] <teward> seriously what was it
[00:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T154: Fix shortcuts related to Super key] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T154#3413
[00:53] <teward> tsimonq2, LOL so NOT my fault
[00:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T169: Python 3.7 Package Migrations] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T169#3408
[00:53] <tsimonq2> teward: You could have told me LOL
[00:53] <tsimonq2> Reminded me
[00:53] <docEbrown> were the broken packages in the requirements.txt file?
[00:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa180efc2ebde: Add descrption of qtransmission icon] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa180efc2ebde
[00:53] <teward> tsimonq2, thought you needed another reminder of why you asked me to help out with sysadmin ;)
[00:53] <teward> cc wxl
[00:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5de8a014c55c: Add icon for lximage] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5de8a014c55c
[00:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T154: Fix shortcuts related to Super key] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T154#3410
[00:55] <tsimonq2> docEbrown: Yeah, but not the fault of the requirements.txt file.
[00:55] <tsimonq2>  * Serving Flask app "lugito" (lazy loading)
[00:55] <tsimonq2> 2018-11-20 18:55:19,971 - lugito.connector.IRCConnector - DEBUG - :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. NOTICE lugito :[#lubuntu-devel] Welcome to #lubuntu-devel. This channel is logged. Use of this channel implies acceptance of terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService
[00:55] <tsimonq2>  * Environment: production
[00:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGS3ac42b4e2555: Write a workaround to fix the support and release notes links on the welcome…] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS3ac42b4e2555
[00:55] <tsimonq2>    WARNING: Do not use the development server in a production environment.
[00:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGS48ccf8291f6c: Upload to Disco.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS48ccf8291f6c
[00:55] <docEbrown> ok cool
[00:56] <docEbrown> I'm going to have fingers crossed for a while.... hoping lugito stays up ;)
[00:56] <teward> *watches it die, then laughs evilly because he caused it*
[00:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T154: Fix shortcuts related to Super key] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T154#3411
[00:59]  * docEbrown sweating ;)
[01:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL15bf2c8415f8: Add 2048-qt icon description] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL15bf2c8415f8
[01:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALab37b6cb9fbd: screenshot.rst] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALab37b6cb9fbd
[01:22] <tsimonq2> Rebuilding ISOs to test the Cala change.
 hey simon does your ISO build script also generate the correspnding files necessary to run the 'mirror' portion of LUbuntu?  just curious
 uh wat?
 yeah thought not
 i'll bug xnox
 tomorrow
 @tsimonq2 that was probably the easiest "No idea" in the world :P
 or my brain is failing
[01:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T75: Lugito doesn't publish new posts] doc-E-brown (Ben Johnston) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T75#3416
 I appreciate the kind words @kc2bez :) https://community.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-community-appreciation-day-2018/8813/6
[01:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T75: Lugito doesn't publish new posts] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T75#3417
[01:43] <kc2bez> You are most welcome. You make it easy to give them. It doesn't go unnoticed.
 Thanks :)
 Hi
 Hey!
 Looking to help out or just lurk?
 just lurk , hhh
 Cool :)
 Do you use Lubuntu?
 And if so, what version?
 yes
 @kc2bez apparently I'm late, but I have mounted wuth ect/fstab in /mnt and didn't show, so it should be the mount point not fstab that decide to handled as a removable media or not.
 I am a developer
 C++/Qt Developer and emacs user.
 this is my github: https://github.com/rekols
 Cool :)
 You'll find yourself to be the minority here; wxl and I use Vim. :P
[02:23] <kc2bez> @hmollercl I think the key is that it needs to be in /media . It will show on the desktop then. 
 Anyway, wow, that's an impressive GitHub portfolio
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> @hmollercl I think the key is that it needs to be in /media . It will s …], I ask him to try that.
[02:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T154: Fix shortcuts related to Super key] Steedalion (Steed) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T154#3418
[02:27] <kc2bez> It doesn't work in 18.10 though. It shows as a device in pcmanfm but not on the desktop.
[02:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T166: Package update notification] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T166#3419
[02:28] <guiverc> 19.04 qa-test.  media keys work perfectly when vlc is active (@ top), but not if other windows are active.. shouldn't they regardless of window being used at the moment pressed?
 @tsimonq2 [You'll find yourself to be the minority here; wxl and I use Vim. :P], emacser and vimer are controversial, hmmm
[02:29] <docEbrown> @tsimonq2 [You'll find yourself to be the minority here; wxl and I use Vim.] vim all the way ;)
 are you developer?  @tsimonq2
[02:31] <docEbrown> @Redious [are you developer?  @tsimonq2] he is a wunderkind dev!
 wow, he is a year old ?
[02:33] <docEbrown> no but a very clever cookie
[02:37] <kc2bez> guiverc What was the other window you had active?
[02:39] <guiverc> kc2bez, i'm sure they worked everywhere last x86 test (this is x86_64), term but I tried selecting desktop (ie. wanted none)
[02:39] <guiverc> no work on lximage-qt, pcmanfm-qt  - appears everywhere but vlc as active (top)
[02:41] <kc2bez> Ok, I will give it a whirl here too. I was just curious what you had open. 
[02:45] <kc2bez> Same results here in 18.10
[02:50] <guiverc> kc2bez, :(  the mute key works everywhere, I'm sure I tested this the same way on other machines yesterday & got different results;  maybe I didn't...  but thanks 
[02:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb64a2a3e3fc5: Add pictures can be scrolled through with the scrollwheel] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb64a2a3e3fc5
[02:52] <lynorian> does emacs have rst highlighting?
[04:36] <tsimonq2> Can someone look into this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1093862/lubuntu-brightness-backlight-issue
[04:36] <tsimonq2> guiverc, @HMollerCl, et. al ^
[04:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T170: properly launch desktop entries in terminal] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T170#3420
[04:42] <guiverc> ack.  it'll have to be a 'live' image for me to look (i only have 18.10 on desktop)
[05:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T170: properly launch desktop entries in terminal] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T170#3421
[05:10] <wxl> @Redious do you work for Wuhan Deepin?
[05:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T170: properly launch desktop entries in terminal] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T170#3422
[05:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T170: properly launch desktop entries in terminal] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T170#3423
 Anyone want some low hanging fruit to work on?
 We have two patches that need cherry-picking
[05:16] <wxl> FREE TRAINING PROVIDED FOR ANYONE THAT DOESN"T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE
 Was just about to say that
 We'll walk you through and everything
 Just speak up :)
 Sounds fun. Heading for some zzz's right now. Maybe tomorrow.
[05:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALaa3b648783f3: Add delete button to monitor settings] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALaa3b648783f3
 Packaging? Low hanging fruit? ME, ME, ME, ME!
[05:57] <wxl> @aptghetto you get it if no other newbies jump on it
 Wish this was at a time I wasn't headed home for a weekend with the fam lol
 Another time
 I woulda helped tbh
[06:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALecc6fa834987: Add file saving to qpdfview] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALecc6fa834987
[06:12] <guiverc> tsimonq2: fyi: that askubu link now has an answer (rough one anyway)
[06:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL19c1f5f6e372: Add howto doublespace libreoffice_writer] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL19c1f5f6e372
[06:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL0e7e105b4ff3: Add missing keyboard shortcut for redo] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL0e7e105b4ff3
[06:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T172: software-properties-qt doesn't manually add software sources] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T172
 @wxl [<wxl> @Redious do you work for Wuhan Deepin?], yes.
[08:16] <wxl[m]> @Redious you folks have your own DE and a good looking one at that! What good is Lubuntu to you?
[08:17] <wxl[m]> hello and welcome @rajesindia ! introduce yourself and tell us about your interest in lubuntu!
 wxl: No problem. ... At the moment I do not have much time, so anyone else will be quicker. But if you have some packaging work to be done, which is not urgent, you can assign it to me.
[18:07] <wxl> so no takers on an easy-breezy packaging task besides @aptghetto ??? he's going to get it unless someone jumps. be happy to train!
[18:08] <kc2bez> I'll bite
[18:08] <wxl> ok cool
[18:08] <wxl> you done any packaging before? seen the packaing tutorial?
[18:09] <kc2bez> I've seen the tutorial and the only thing I have done is updates for the manual.
[18:09] <wxl> ok so we'll need to do a few more steps than that
[18:10] <wxl> take a look at the example that's on there and read through it and make sure the logic makes sense
[18:10] <wxl> that's exactly what we're going to do-- pull down some upstream patches
[18:14] <kc2bez> I think I follow.
[18:16] <kc2bez> 2 questions. which phab repo and which package?
[18:18] <wxl> ok let me dig it up
[18:18] <apt-ghetto> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/libfm-qt/ and https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/pcmanfm-qt/
[18:18] <wxl> right but let me get the task which explains the whole deal so you have the context
[18:19] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T170
[18:19] <wxl> the enumerated links are the patches to pull down
[18:20] <wxl> one thing i think i need to fix about the tutorial in case it's not obvious: we're not on cosmic anymore
[18:21] <kc2bez> disco
[18:21] <wxl> yep
[18:22] <wxl> oh good i didn't hardcode that in there
[18:23] <kc2bez> It just says CODENAME
[18:30] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i think we need to work out a plan with release notes so that all point releases end up on the same page or are linked to one another somehow
 I want to wish everyone an awesome Thanksgiving to our teammates in the states. Waiting for the bus home.
[18:39] <kc2bez> wxl not sure where I went wrong. I got "No series file found"  after quilt push -a
[18:41] <wxl> @kc2bez debian/patches is empty right?
[18:42] <kc2bez> no. should it be?
[18:43] <wxl> what does `git branch` tell you?
[18:43] <kc2bez> ubuntu/disco
[18:43] <wxl> this is libfm-qt?
[18:43] <kc2bez> yes
[18:44] <wxl> ok and i assume there IS a series file in debian/patches
[18:44] <wxl> that said, it's probably a matter of where you're at
[18:44] <wxl> quilt is particularly sensitive about where in the tree you are
[18:44] <wxl> which is why the tutorial is written exactly the way it is
[18:44] <wxl> you should be in WORKDIR/libfm-qt which has debian in it
[18:45] <apt-ghetto> and you have a .quiltrc file in your home directory?
[18:45] <wxl> ahhh good point
[18:45] <wxl> yes all the requirements must be satisified
[18:46] <wxl> that's in the "digging deeper"
[18:48] <kc2bez> ok let me dig a bit deeper. 
[18:48] <kc2bez> brb
[18:49] <xdruppi> i dont know if this is the right place, but does anybody else have a bad experience with weblate of lubuntu?
[18:49] <xdruppi> it's so slow for me, sometimes i can't even log in
[18:49] <xdruppi> and i can say that my internet works perfectly 
[18:49] <wxl> weblate? it's probably because @tsimonq2 keeps breaking it. :)
[18:50] <xdruppi> lol
[18:50] <xdruppi> i keep reading those "Jokes" about tsimonq2
[18:50] <wxl> every joke has a hint of truth in it XD
[18:50] <xdruppi> lmao
[18:51] <xdruppi> i've been trying to log into weblate for like an hour
[18:53] <wxl> @teward001 ^^ do you have any insight on these weblate problems?
 WFM
 does that answer the question?
 where're you located xdrup
 xdruppi *
[18:54] <xdruppi> south america
 wxl: where's this box located?
[18:55] <xdruppi> ok it finally logged in
[18:55] <xdruppi> lol
 well I am going to kick it in about an hour for 20 minutes of performance enhancement
 i made a note about that in the admin home yesterday but apparently Simon felt to NOT share the info
 now that my computer is back and operational again that is ^.^
 FULLY OPERATIONAL WHOOHOO
[18:58] <wxl> i THOUGHT weblate was running on the same server as phab but i could be wrong
 it is
 so i ask again where's that server located
[18:59] <wxl> you mean physically? XD
 ...
 *yes*
[18:59] <wxl> um
 *smacks wxl*
[18:59] <wxl> where's the "let me geoip that for you" button?
[19:00] <wxl> ah looks like it's a digital ocean droplet in nj
 wxl: that button is right behind the 'Destroy Everything" button.
[19:02] <wxl> uhhhhh huh
 sounds like maybe the internet links between US and South America might be being derpy
 but hopefully you aren't still inside Weblate within an hour
 because i'mma kick it briefly then
 now that my computer is back up and usable
[19:06] <xdruppi> is it running on the same server? i mean i tried logging in with my phab account but I got rejected, many times
[19:07] <xdruppi> maybe it simply uses different accounts...
[19:08] <wxl> those are different accounts
[19:08] <wxl> my guess is some general connectivity in the backbone
[19:08] <wxl> that sort of thing happens
[19:08] <xdruppi> alright
[19:09] <wxl> i have never had issues with phab loading... ever.
[19:09] <wxl> except when @tsimonq2 broke the server
 @Wafficus [I want to wish everyone an awesome Thanksgiving to our teammates in the states. …], You too man :)
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: i think we need to work out a plan with release notes so that a …], Sure
 @teward001 [wxl: where's this box located?], North America :P
 Atlanta
[19:10] <wxl> @tsimonq2: we should document that, too, so we don't mess it up. maybe i'll make a task and we can discuss it further
[19:10] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you sure about that? geoip said nj
 Hmm
[19:11] <wxl> geoip isn't 100% accurate, but still
[19:27] <xdruppi> does lubuntu include Software Updater? if so, i can't find it
[19:27] <xdruppi> im just trying to translate from english to spanish, but can't find it on my system
[19:28] <kc2bez> It doesn't currently but we have a task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T166
[19:29] <xdruppi> I assume it's going to be added, so manual should just stay the way it is.
[19:31] <kc2bez> I don't see it in the manual currently.
[19:31] <wxl> probably why it should stay the way it is XD
[19:32] <xdruppi> kc2bez you can't see what?
[19:32] <wxl> anything in the manual to do with software updater
[19:32] <kc2bez> any mention of software updater
[19:33] <xdruppi> on appendix D theres quite a few mentions of software updtaer so that someone can upgrade to a new version of ubuntu or simply update packages
[19:33] <xdruppi> at least, thats what shows up for me to translate
[19:34] <kc2bez> ok let me take a peek.
[19:34] <kc2bez> oh yeah, that is valid. That is upgrading from 18.04 to 18.10
[19:35] <kc2bez> 18.04 has software updater.
[19:35] <kc2bez> 18.10 does not.
[19:35] <xdruppi> alright
[19:42] <kc2bez> wxl I think I made some progress. Stuck at what my next step should be. quilt push -a worked, I needed .quiltrc
[20:39] <lynorian> wow that was a lot of weblate commits 
[20:56] <kc2bez> ^^ no go on lugito
[20:56] <kc2bez> wxl let me know when you make it back.
[21:01] <wxl> nacl @lc2nez
[21:01] <wxl> wow
[21:01] <wxl> um
[21:02] <kc2bez> ok
[21:02] <wxl> getting salty i guess
[21:02] <wxl> you figured it out i take it XD
[21:02] <kc2bez> um stuck at my next step.
[21:02] <kc2bez> I am not actually making the patch so should I skip a step here.
[21:03] <wxl> well you are
[21:03] <wxl> you're making the patch in our packaging
[21:03] <wxl> so you do want to do `quilt new NAME.patch`
[21:03] <wxl> give it a reasonable name describing briefly what it does
[21:03] <wxl> feel free to be creative :)
[21:04] <wxl> err
[21:04] <wxl> wait
[21:04] <wxl> no that's wrong
 `quilt new 000-WXLISCRAZY.patch`  *shot*
[21:04] <wxl> i mean you COULD do that
 (i'm just being annoying to wxl, ignore me)
[21:04] <wxl> but if you have the patch saved somewhere (see the example), `quilt import /path/to/patch` would be better
 ^ this, however you might want to rename the patch afterwards if the patch file's naming is... ambiguous
 just a thought :)
[21:05] <lynorian> this --> is_sparta(); should probably not be in your C++ code base
[21:14] <kc2bez> There are actually 6 patches in debian/patches should I import them all? Sorry for being dense.
[21:15] <wxl> that's what `quilt push -a` does
 @lynorian> this -- [<lynorian> this --> is_sparta(); should probably not be in your C++ code base], I disagree, that should be the proper way to end threads.
[21:27] <kc2bez> wxl so quilt refresh next?
[21:27] <wxl> yep
[22:11] <kc2bez> wxl so I actually messed that up and went back and re did it using the real world example as a guide. I did get some errors out of importing the patch however.
[22:20] <kc2bez> I have to run for a bit, I will hit you up in about an hour or so.
 kc2bez: when you have the patch import errors up pastebin them so we can see the errors
 it's probably something simple
[23:06] <kc2bez> I'm sure. Here is the paste https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/b9zG57x3CM/
 just for kicks, try `quilt import -p1 /path/to/patch` and then see if it works
 might be as simple as needing a tier of stripping added :P
 i've had a few git patches that i've had to add using -p1 as a strip argument
[23:08] <kc2bez> "Patch fix-launching-desktop-files.patch exists. Replace with -f"  should I force it?
 quilt delete fix-launching-desktop-files.patch
 then try and reimport the patch AFTER a `quilt push -a`
[23:13] <kc2bez> so it actually imports I guess, it is the quilt push after the import that has the errors. Still the same. Must be the patch I created?
 possibly.
 same or different errors this time?
 quilt import always imports quilt push is the test :P
[23:14] <kc2bez> same errors
[23:20] <kc2bez> I figured it out I think. I re-created the patch.
[23:31] <guiverc> qa-testing - how to view prior test-comments I've written; recent anyway .. doco says to click "See removed and superseded builds too" but blind me can't find it :(
[23:43] <guiverc> never mind - found it :)
[23:48] <kc2bez> Is this a sufficient quilt header? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rJ6bZR42Rf/
 is that 'author' yours or the original patch author?
[23:49] <kc2bez> original
 if it's not yours, you should use `Origin: upstream, <commitlink>` if I remember my DEP3 right
 typically you'd use Origin if you snagged it from an upstream patch
 unless wxl or @tsimonq2 are using nonstandard DEP3 stuff
[23:51] <wxl> no we don't use non-standard
[23:51] <wxl> you can delete lines 5-6
 *shrugs, and goes back to compiling code*
[23:51] <wxl> applied-upstream and origin are a bit interchangable or rather the difference is slight
[23:53] <kc2bez> So other than 5-6 it is good?
[23:54] <wxl> yeah