[00:00] <sruli> sullivan: systemctl restart sshd
[00:00] <TJ-> neildugan: first thing to do is increase verbosity with "ssh -vvv user@hostname" and see if there's anything more reported. If no clue there, then ssh into the host with the username that works, and look at the sshd log
[00:00] <neildugan> sruli, "grep AuthorizedKeysFile /etc/ssh/sshd_config"  == "#AuthorizedKeysFile	.ssh/authorized_keys .ssh/authorized_keys2"
[00:01] <neildugan> TJ-, which would you like first
[00:01] <sruli> neildugan: i beleive you need to uncomment that line and "%h/.ssh/authorized_keys"
[00:01] <neildugan> sruli, ok ... hang on
[00:01] <sruli> TJ-: i covered both?
[00:02] <sullivan> Gonna be real honest here, I don't know anything about SSH - I have no idea what I'm doing
[00:03] <sruli> sullivan: once you connect with ssh its like terminal on your machine...
[00:04] <neildugan> sruli, I changed the line to "AuthorizedKeysFile     %h/.ssh/authorized_keys"  but I still get the same errro
[00:04] <sullivan> Right...  And I've gotten as far as verifying that the SSH service is running on each machine; I was trying to disable remote root access but I'm lost
[00:04] <sruli> neildugan: did you restart sshd?
[00:05] <neildugan> sruli, yes --- I used "service sshd restart"
[00:05] <sruli> neildugan: grep "PubkeyAuthentication" sshd_config file
[00:06] <neildugan> sruli, "#PubkeyAuthentication yes"
[00:06] <sruli> sullivan: to disable root access just make sure the line "PermitRootLogin" has "prohibit-password"
[00:06] <sruli> neildugan: uncomment
[00:06] <neildugan> sruli, but it is working when trying to login as root
[00:07] <sruli> neildugan: becuase for root you have something like "PermitRootLogin prohibit-password"
[00:07] <sruli> neildugan: can you pastebil your sshd_config file
[00:07] <sullivan> sruli: the guide I was trying to follow must be old, it said to make sure it was no
[00:08] <sruli> sullivan: no is ok, prohibit-password allows to login with a key
[00:08] <sruli> sullivan: what is the issue, where are you lost?
[00:09] <sullivan> sruli:  Disabled should be fine?  I'm lost at, where do I change passwords and stuff to limit access?
[00:09] <nopea> I have (for the first time) tried to use the do-release-upgrade to test updating my Ubuntu server from 14 to 18.  But after doing so PHP seems to be missing.  Is this normal?
[00:09] <sruli> sullivan: no need to change anything, you can only login with your user and your password
[00:10] <TJ-> nopea: php versions should upgrade along the way
[00:10] <sullivan> sruli: sweet and simple, I like it.  I will now look for a list of ssh commands so I'm not locking myself out of stuff
[00:10] <neildugan> sruli, that made no difference .. https://pastebin.com/mjP2XCra
[00:10] <sruli> sullivan: just connect ssh username@ipaddress then you are in your system
[00:11] <nopea> TJ-: that is what I was thinking. But after upgrading my website on the server is showing the php files as text (ie not processing them)
[00:11] <neildugan> sruli, I can't directly log into the vm without using ssh
[00:11] <sruli> neildugan: what are you running in the lxc?
[00:12] <sullivan> TJ: I have remote access to the borked system
[00:12] <neildugan> sruli, "uname -a" = "Linux website 4.15.0-32-generic #35-Ubuntu SMP Fri Aug 10 17:58:07 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux"  ---- ubuntu 18.04
[00:13] <sruli> neildugan: first line in config file is "#   $OpenBSD: sshd_config,v 1.101 2017/03/14 07:19:07 djm Exp $"
[00:14] <neildugan> sruli, so --- it is mostly the default from the install
[00:16] <nopea> how can I check to see if PHP is installed in 18.04.1?
[00:17] <neildugan> nopea, you could try to install it again
[00:17] <nopea> neildugan: thanks.  What is the package name for the more recent php?
[00:17] <sruli> neildugan: your config file is very different to mine on 16.04, maybe try to make a backup of your file and as a test use this http://termbin.com/elch
[00:17] <sullivan> Oh, TJ left
[00:17] <sullivan> Uh oh
[00:18] <sruli> sullivan: yes he is allowed some sleep
[00:18] <Krennic> hmm
[00:18] <nopea> neildugan: got it ;)
[00:18] <neildugan> sruli, I go it! ... hang on a minute
[00:18] <maxcell_> hi, can you help me? i can't run Netflix (firefox or chrome) in my 18.10
[00:18] <sullivan> Of course, I didn't get the chance to thank him.  And I'm still having the same issue, I just now have ssh access to the afflicted machine :D
[00:19] <sruli> sullivan: whats the issue amdgpu?
[00:19] <sullivan> sruli: yes, black screen after boot
[00:20] <nopea> looks like this upgrade to 18.04.1 have also remove PHP mysql . I am not sure what I did wrong here
[00:20] <sruli> sullivan: but you do get a normal login screen if you boot using recovery right?
[00:20] <sullivan> sruli: yes
[00:21] <sruli> sullivan: not sure i can help with that, sorry
[00:21] <sruli> neildugan: any luck?
[00:21] <sullivan> sruli: no worries, Google isn't any more help :D
[00:21] <sullivan> Appreciate the help you already have provided though, so thanks
[00:22] <sruli> sullivan: you can try disabling amdgpu in grub just to test to see if amdgpu is the issue
[00:23] <sruli> sullivan: modprobe.blacklist=amdgpu
[00:23] <sullivan> sruli: do I append that to the linux line?
[00:24] <sruli> sullivan: in /etc/defatlt/grub add a line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="modprobe.blacklist=amdgpu"
[00:24] <neildugan> sruli, when I login using root ... it logs in immediatly ... when logging in as neil ... it asks for the password... strange
[00:24] <sullivan> sruli: will do
[00:24] <sruli> neildugan: aha is the user account encrypted?
[00:25] <neildugan> sruli, I can access the /home/neil etc. from the root user... I wouldn't be able to that if it was encrypted, if it was encrypted... correct?
[00:25] <maxcell_> i can't run Netflix on ubuntu 18.10, i already have install "libavcodec-extra" as they told me to on foruns but didn't work, still "Unexpected error" when i try to watch a vídeo on Netflix through chrome or firefox. I did a base install only of 18.10 (without media players and openoffice)
[00:25] <sruli> neildugan: while logged in as user try ssh again in another terminal see if it asks for password?
[00:26] <sruli> neildugan: there must be something wrong with the permissions, what are the permissions for neil/.ssh dir?
[00:26] <neildugan> sruli, it asked for the password on both occasions
[00:27] <sullivan> sruli: adding that line to grub now allows me to bypass the recovery option, so progress!  Yay
[00:27] <sruli> neildugan: must be a permissions issue or the pubkey in neil.ssh/authorized_keys is not the same as the root one
[00:28] <neildugan> sruli, yes it did ... the permissions is .. "drwx------ 2 neil neil 5 Nov 20 22:33 /home/neil/.ssh"
[00:28] <sruli> neildugan: no victory yet, you might not want that disabled
[00:28] <sruli> sullivan: ^
[00:29] <neildugan> sruli, "diff /root/.ssh/authorized_keys /home/neil/.ssh/authorized_keys" .... gives no output
[00:29] <sruli> neildugan: the pubkey in neil is 100% same as root?
[00:29] <sullivan> sruli: if course, I want my graphics card back to functional, but at least I don't have to use three extra keystrokes to get to a functional login screen :D
[00:29] <neildugan> sruli, I don't understand
[00:31] <sruli> neildugan: ok, as a test in sshd_config instead of "%h/.ssh/authorized_keys" try /ssh/authorized_keys - but you need to make the dir (mkdir /ssh/) and change the permissions for it (chown -R /ssh/ neil:neil && chmod -R 600 /ssh/) then copy the neil authorized_keys to it and try again (restart sshd before trying)
[00:33] <sruli> sullivan: so it works now?
[00:34] <sullivan> sruli: to varying degrees of "works", but yes.  I am pursuing alternate assistance to debug the issue
[00:34] <sruli> sullivan: ok
[00:34] <sullivan> Also, WTF is up with freenode?  I am authed to services and STILL can't chat in certain channels!  Sick of this garbage
[00:35] <Tin_man> see
[00:35] <sruli> sullivan: never came accross this issue
[00:36] <neildugan> sruli, it is working ... but still asking for the password
[00:37] <sruli> neildugan: i am out of ideas, revert the config back to "%h/.ssh/authorized_keys" rm -r /ssh
[00:37] <sruli> neildugan: try ssh -vvv neil@ip see if you can find a clue there
[00:39] <sruli> neildugan: can you paste the output of ssh -vvv neil@ip to paste.ubuntu.com ?>
[00:39] <sullivan> sruli: supposedly it has to do with "persistent ongoing spam", and whenever I've tried to use freenode within like the last 6 months, I get a message about changing usermode to +Ri, which prevents me from seeing/posting in basically any useful channel.
[00:40] <sruli> sullivan: no clue, maybe ask in #freenode ?
[00:40] <sruli> neildugan: leaving in a minute
[00:41] <sullivan> sruli: thanks to you for your help and have a good evening!
[00:43] <neildugan> sruli, https://pastebin.com/xvXhSx7t
[00:44] <neildugan> sruli, I hope you can help with that before you go..   but thanks for the help
[00:44] <sruli> neildugan: where did u config the local path to the keyfile?
[00:45] <sruli> neildugan: debug1: identity file /home/neil/.ssh/id_rsa type 0 -
[00:45] <sruli> debug1: key_load_public: No such file or directory
[00:45] <sruli> neildugan: debug3: no such identity: /home/neil/.ssh/id_ed25519: No such file or directory
[00:46] <sruli> neildugan: where is the cert file?
[00:46] <neildugan> sruli, there is a id_rsa and id_rsa.pub file
[00:46] <sruli> neildugan: post the output of ssh -vvv root@website to paste.ubuntu.com
[00:49] <sruli> neildugan: its not asking for password in that paste, did you skip that part in paste or did it not ask?
[00:49] <neildugan> sruli, https://pastebin.com/dKJ4nMh0
[00:50] <neildugan> sruli, I disabled the asking for the password so the error would be repoduced
[00:55] <sruli> neildugan: can you put back the original config file i posted and ssh -vvv neil@website again ?
[00:57] <neildugan> sruli, it is almost the same I just changed the "PasswordAuthentication no"
[00:58] <neildugan> sruli, do you still wan't me to redo it?
[00:58] <sruli> no
[01:01] <sruli> neildugan: i dont know what's wrong for some reason its not accepting the key, my guess is something is wrong with permissions or content in /home/neil/.ssh/authorised_keys i dont know what but something there is wrong
[01:01] <neildugan> sruli, I have been working on this for a long time ... it realy stumps me ... thanks for the help
[01:04] <neildugan> sruli, I don't think its the contents as those contents work for root
[01:04] <sruli> neildugan: 1 other thing you can try, login as neil with a password, copy the key to neil/.ssh/ add it to keyring and from inside the ssh session try ssh neil@10.8.0.187 see if you can login
[01:04] <tomreyn> should be /home/neil/.ssh/authorized_keys with an american Z, not british S
[01:05] <sruli> tomreyn: yes, my typo (and i aint sorry for being british ;-))
[01:05] <tomreyn> ;-)
[01:06] <neildugan> those americans do like there z
[01:06] <sruli> i gotta go, good night
[01:07] <neildugan> sruli, thanks ... bye
[01:07] <sruli> neildugan: if you do figure out the issue i wouldnt mind if you pm me with what it was
[01:08] <neildugan> I will, if I do work it out
[01:11] <tomreyn> neildugan: too much text on top, but if you're happy to sum it all up again, what you are trying to do, how it fails, how your configs deviate from defaults (and why), i could try and guess as well
[01:20] <Wikiwide> Annoyed. Old laptop, LCD not working (backlight, I guess - picture is here but very hard to see), external display attached... When we try to boot into Ubuntu from a CD, the Ubuntu shows "Try or Install" question. .. On laptop screen. Which is, very bad.
[01:21] <Wikiwide> How do I tell Ubuntu to: 1) boot into LiveCD, never ask about installing; 2) use the external display, not laptop display.
[01:22] <Wikiwide> And yes, the CD we are using is ancient, so writing a new CD would be nice... As long as it resolves the problems ^
[01:25] <tomreyn> since the laptop display will be the primary display you probably dont have a lot of options. if there was an option in its bios to make the external the primary display, this would help. also disconnecting the laptop screen physically may help
[01:26] <tomreyn> you are asking about how to make permanent changes to a CD?
[01:26] <tomreyn> what you can do is remaster the ISO, but i dont have the details at hand.
[01:27] <Wikiwide> I am asking if it is possible to configure Ubuntu image to not have the try-or-install dialog, and just auto-live-cd - before image is written to CD.
[01:30] <neildugan> tomreyn, I managed to get it to work... it changed the permissions of /home/neil to "drwxr-xr-x" that seemed to fix everything ... how would I pm sruli ?  ... he seems to be no longer connected
[01:37] <tomreyn> neildugan: they are still connected, just no longer on this very channel
[01:37] <tomreyn> neildugan: /msg sruli some message
[01:40] <vedos> has anyone gotten Wickr Me to work on Ubuntu 18.10 ?
[01:42] <gambl0r3> hello?
[01:42] <gambl0r3> what are some power management tools for ubuntu?
[01:48] <SimonKALI> hello
[01:49] <SimonKALI> I need to install php7.2 on server, how to do in best way?
[01:51] <SimonKALI> on ubuntu
[01:51] <Bashing-om> !info php7.2 bionic | SimonKALI
[01:53] <genii> SimonKALI: On command-line ubuntu server, or just on a machine running regular desktop that will be a server?
[01:55] <SimonKALI> is it ok to install php7.2 on ubuntu 16.04 ?
[01:57] <tomreyn> it's not provided by ubuntu there
[01:58] <tomreyn> what is ok and what i not ok is what root@ this system decides
[02:06] <Bashing-om> SimonKALI: Ondřej Surý maintains a PHP PPA. If you must 7.2 is available via that means .
[02:07] <Bashing-om> !ppa | SimonKALI
[02:11] <AndyChow888> PHP 7.2 is the default in ubuntu 18.04
[02:26] <JPSman> so, I recently screwed myself by rm -rf * on my home directory
[02:27] <JPSman> I recovered what i could BUT
[02:27] <JPSman> now any file i create in my home directory is showing up on my desktop?
[02:27] <JPSman> I'm using Flashback
[02:29] <JPSman> how do I make my desktop connected to /home/JPSman/Desktop folder again?
[02:30] <AndyChow888> JPSman, echo ${XDG_DESKTOP_DIR:-$HOME/Desktop}
[02:32] <JPSman> AndyChow888, How can I see what the XDG_DESKTOP_DIR variable is currently set to? (if anything?)
[02:34] <AndyChow888> printenv | grep -i xdg_desktop_dir
[02:36] <sullivan> Hi, would anybody be able to help debug a black screen after boot
[02:36] <Kazdax> i just installed ubuntu ... How do i make it secure ?
[02:37] <AndyChow888> Kazdax, it is secure.
[02:38] <Bashing-om> sullivan: I can up to a point of failure . What can you boot up to ? And what happened prior to the black screen event ?
[02:39] <JPSman> AndyChow888, printenv | grep -i xdg_desktop_dir produces nothing :|
[02:39] <AndyChow888> JPSman, so you have none set up.
[02:39] <Kazdax> Andy what about firewall ?
[02:39] <Kazdax> what about downloading third party software
[02:40] <sullivan> bashing: I can boot, I just don't get any GUI (display driver problem), if I disable amdgpu or enter recovery, I can use my system mostly normally.
[02:40] <JPSman> I just changed the file .config/user-dirs.dirs to point to the correct file
[02:40] <JPSman> AndyChow888, I just changed the file .config/user-dirs.dirs to point to the correct file
[02:40] <JPSman> is that all i'll need to do? after a reset?
[02:40] <AndyChow888> Kazdax, third party software can never be secure, and your firewall is secure by default. You aren't port-forwarding things, are you^
[02:40] <AndyChow888> sure JPSman, sounds good.
[02:41] <sullivan> bashing: it's been at least a week since this started, I can't recall doing anything out of the ordinary.  Obvs this could certainly be an update issue
[02:41] <Kazdax> nope
[02:41] <JPSman> AndyChow888, ok, rebooting now :)
[02:42] <Bashing-om> SimonKALI: K; let's see - in a pastebin -  ' sudo lshw -C diaplay ; cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' . See what we can learn .
[02:42] <AndyChow888> Kazdax, so your system is secure. Of course, running any software that you don't understand, as root, can open/create holes.
[02:42] <Kazdax> what if someone runs a vurnability scanner if they have my IP address
[02:42] <Kazdax> how do i make sure i have the latest security updates automatically >?
[02:43] <sullivan> kazdax: run 'sudo apt update' and 'sudo apt upgrade' in terminal
[02:43] <sullivan> kazdax: that
[02:43] <sullivan> s as secure as you're gonna get
[02:44] <Kazdax> what if i want it to run every hour
[02:44] <Kazdax> seeing that security updates are every hour or so
[02:44] <sullivan> kazdax: then run it every hour, or write a script to do it for you
[02:44] <Kazdax> how much vurnabilities pop up every hour ?
[02:44] <Kazdax> ya
[02:44] <AndyChow888> Are you that paranoid? No one is going to hack you.
[02:44] <Kazdax> you think its a good idea
[02:45] <sullivan> kazdax: no, you asked, you got an answer
[02:45] <John> Any ALSA geniuses around by chance? Having a hell of a time with an ALSA loopback to darkice, wherein there's no audio passed if the process runs for more than a few minutes. Restart the process, audio resumes. If I use ALSA to play the audio both through a loopback AND through the local speakers, it works as expected indefinitely.
[02:45] <AndyChow888> Vulnerabilities turn out every decade or so.
[02:45] <AndyChow888> John, use pulseaudio. Alsa is forever broken.
[02:46] <John> Hm. I tried using Pulse, but couldn't get darkice to use it.
[02:46] <John> May have been a syntax issue.
[02:47] <AndyChow888> darkice can use alsa, but that alsa will use the pulseaudio plugin
[02:48] <John> Will that work for multiple instances? The use-case here is streaming from 3 SDRs. 3 instances of the SDR software + 3 instances of darkice.
[02:49] <Kazdax> how do i know what Windows manager i am using
[02:49] <neildugan> Kazdax, before you login there is usally a chooser for the manager to use
[02:50] <AndyChow888> John, yes. It will work. But, SDRs can use a lot of resources. What are you using?
[02:50] <John> AndyChow888: Hardware wise?
[02:50] <Bashing-om> SimonKALI: Noticed my typo : should be ' sudo lshw -C display ' :)
[02:50] <AndyChow888> John, yeah
[02:51] <AndyChow888> RTL2832Us?
[02:51] <John> Yeah, Nesdr Smart's.
[02:51] <John> AndyChow888: It's a VM, but 1 core of an i8-8559U and 4GB RAM.
[02:51] <John> Resources never seemed to be an issue; I had this running on a Pi3 before w/o issue.
[02:51] <John> Er, i7-8559U
[02:52] <AndyChow888> Ah. Good luck. Won't work in a VM. Latency is too high, IME.e
[02:52] <John> It's ESXi, so latency is near nil
[02:53] <John> But like I said, works fine if I have alsa output to both the 'speaker' on the VM and to the darkice input
[02:53] <John> it's just when it's darkice only that it chokes
[02:53] <AndyChow888> Depends on your refresh rate. But no, ESXi won't help. You need to passthrough the device.
[02:53] <AndyChow888> And even doing a passthrough, I have had no luck with RDS. It's baremetal so far.
[02:54] <AndyChow888> SDR I mean, not RDS.
[02:54] <John> I'm just confused as to why it breaks after a few minutes when I don't output to the speaker.
[02:57] <AndyChow888> Your RTL2832 isn't being processed through an FGPA. So it's entirely software calculated in the cpu. This causes problems, big problems in a VM. Is my answer logical? No. Is it my experience? Yes.
[02:58] <sullivan> Bashing-om: other than #radeon, do you know of any other potential resources that could help debug amdgpu?
[02:58] <John> You may be right, but as I said it works fine with audio going out the local speaker. If it were an inherent issue with the SDR + VM, I would expect it to be equally broken.
[02:59] <sullivan> Well, I guess troubleshoot would be a better way to put it
[03:00] <AndyChow888> John, I haven't got it to work with a local speaker. So your problems with SDR might be different than mine. But my solution was to run it baremetal. This may or may not work for you.
[03:00] <Bashing-om> sullivan: Well , depends on the card .. and if AMDGPU-PRO has ever been a factor . Rgere ar bit the 2 drivers for AMF with the -PRO as an overlay .
[03:00] <John> AndyChow888: What software? FWIW, I'm using op25 to decode P25 II.
[03:01] <sullivan> Bashing-om: I'm using the non-pro amdgpu driver, never had pro installed under this install
[03:01] <AndyChow888> John, same thing. Are you in Quebec?
[03:01] <John> No, Ontario.
[03:02] <AndyChow888> Oh. Well, Quebec went all P25 a few years ago. Nothing else is worth listening.
[03:02] <John> Yeah, Ontario's going that way as well.
[03:02] <John> Thankfully not fully encrypted, at least not yet.
[03:03] <Bashing-om> sullivan: ' lsmod | grep amdgpu ' ?
[03:03] <AndyChow888> No, most is not encrypted here also. For now.
[03:03] <John> Funny thing. They encrypted the parking police here, but not the paramedics. The ones transmitting patient info in the clear.
[03:04] <sullivan> Bashing-om: gotta restart to get into Ubuntu, one sec
[03:04] <AndyChow888> Lol. Here, most police isn't encrypted also. Just swat-1 and swat-2
[03:04] <John> Yeah... They used the G7 money from the feds to fund the new system. Requirement was it be encrypted, iirc.
[03:06] <AndyChow888> It's super easy to encrypt. Not sure why they don't do it by default. Probably an IQ problem.
[03:06] <John> It's easy, but the licenses are expensive.
[03:06] <John> Plus on some of the radios, you can't remotely update the keys so if you have to do a key reset (i.e. stolen radio), you have to bring in all the radios for programming.
[03:06] <AndyChow888> Do they need a license? I thought you just entered a passphrase.
[03:06] <sullivan> Bashing-om: any idea what the output of that command should be?  Should I run it as sudo?
[03:07] <John> Pretty sure they need a license.
[03:07] <AndyChow888> Wow. TIL something, John.
[03:08] <John> https://www.motorolasolutions.com/content/dam/msi/docs/astro-25/apx-radio-software-catalog.pdf
[03:08] <John> Maybe license is the wrong word for it, but it looks like there are a lot of modules available for encryption features.
[03:10] <Bashing-om> sullivan: Somethong like this : http://termbin.com/gdo0 - where I am using the nouvea driver .
[03:10] <John> Ok, time to dig in and see how the hell I do this with pulseaudio
[03:10] <John> Alsa already gave me a migraine.
[03:10] <AndyChow888> Alsa always gives migraines. Good luck John.
[03:11] <John> Cheers. Before I go, do you recall how to get darkice to take a pulse output?
[03:11] <John> Unless I have to loop it back from pulse into an alsa channel >_>
[03:11] <Bashing-om> sullivan: ' lsmod | grep radeon ' ?
[03:12] <John> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/darkice/+bug/1306978 would seem to indicate it's an issue.
[03:12] <sullivan> Bashing-om: I had amdgpu disabled, so the command wasn't printing anything.  Lemme put up a paste
[03:14] <sullivan> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/ZemNVZUR
[03:16] <Perdellian> ubuntu's libreoffice packaging tracks libreoffice-fresh, I take it?
[03:17] <Bashing-om> sullivan: looking
[03:22] <Bashing-om> sullivan: ^ says the amdgpu driver is in use, I do not know what the chash line is however. what does the log relate ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' ?
[03:23] <masber> good afternoon all, anyone knows if there is anything I need to do on ubuntu to enable hyperthreading?
[03:24] <sullivan> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/br2DsG6m
[03:32] <Bashing-om> sullivan: "Is amdgpu kernel module available ? no ' - not sure what to make of that .
[03:33] <sullivan> Huh
[03:37] <Bashing-om> sullivan: Let's see what X thinks ' cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log ' .
[03:37] <sullivan> Bashing-om: I don't see any parameters in /etc/default/grub that would disable the kernel module
[03:38] <Bashing-om> sullivan: quick way to see what the boot line is ' cat /proc/cmdline ' .
[03:39] <sullivan> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/f8T2t8Cf
[03:40] <Bashing-om> sullivan: I be awhile reading .
[03:43] <Bashing-om> sullivan: So far so good " Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/amdgpu_drv.so " :)
[03:46] <sullivan> Bashing-om: " No outputs definitely connected, trying again... "
[03:48] <core7> what is a programmatic way to add/delete paths to /etc/environment?
[03:49] <Bashing-om> sullivan: Yeah ^ that was all I caught too - how many displays are connected ?
[03:50] <sullivan> Bashing-om: just one
[03:50] <sullivan> Bashing-om: connected via HDMI, and it's the only HDMI connector on the card
[03:51] <core7> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables - how do i manipulate /etc/environment using a program - add/delete paths?
[03:53] <Bashing-om> sullivan: Got me guessing as to what is not going on here .. what results if you boot a guest session ? Check here to see if this is a user config issue .
[03:55] <sullivan> Bashing-om: What do you mean boot a guest session?  I'm not even logged in - I have a blank screen on the PC; I've got SSH access into it from a different machine
[03:56] <sullivan> Bashing-om: after GRUB, the screen just goes black.
[03:59] <Bashing-om> sullivan: Well, sure indicative of a graphic's driver issue. But X and the kernel are happy .. that leaves user space . I would try booting with an alternate user .
[04:00] <sullivan> Bashing-om: I don't have any other users setup on the machine.  Can I create one, or is a guest one enabled by default?
[04:00] <core7> anyone using snap here? creating .deb files?
[04:02] <Bashing-om> sullivan: There maybe a guest account .. depends on the environment. I run xfce and I would have to make up a 2nd user .
[04:05] <core7> what is an easy way to create an installer for a software on ubuntu?
[04:06] <sullivan> Bashing-om: Would it need to be an admin, or would standard account work for this purpose?
[04:08] <Bashing-om> sullivan: standard account .. All we need to know is if the GUI is available in that new account .
[04:08] <sullivan> Bashing-om: I'm also failing to see how adding a new user would affect this issue considering it happens at boot?
[04:09] <sullivan> Bashing-om: I can't even see the login screen to select between different users
[04:10] <Bashing-om> sullivan: Got me too .. so far all we know is nothing . all we have to go on is " Is amdgpu kernel module available? no " . But X appears happy .
[04:11] <sullivan> Bashing-om: It's like I should stop messing around with this and reinstall :P
[04:13] <Bashing-om> sullivan: Well, if ya got good backups - once can re-install in 30 minutes and be done .
[04:14] <sullivan> Bashing-om: You don't need backups if you never keep important data :D
[04:14] <sullivan> Bashing-om: The thing that always annoys me the most is reconfiguring three different browsers
[04:15] <Strykar> htop shows 2.65 GB of 15.7 GB RAM used, yet 18.10's created a 343MB swap file. why won't it just use the available RAM?
[04:19] <Perdellian> sullivan: configs can be backed up too
[04:19] <sullivan> Perdellian: I had taken to not bothering with Firefox, but I think I'll start copying the profiles again
[04:20]  * Perdellian has at least one firefox profile dating back to, what? 2.3?
[04:24] <sullivan> Bashing-om: Hey thanks very much for all your help tonight, I appreciate it!  Have a good one
[04:56] <asciii> hello
[04:58] <asciii> I would like to check..how can I log specific commands that have been executed to a log file? for example if someone runs a chmod command, i would like it to be logged somewhere
[04:58] <asciii> is that possible?
[05:04] <Grievre> This is possibly a weird use case but: Is there a way to grant access to a shared X11 session with individual credentials?
[05:04] <Grievre> (that's navigable by non-technical users)
[05:06] <zhujian0805> hi I'm using ubuntu 18.04 LTS, i'm confused by the way of network management, I have NetworkManager started, but also systemd-networkd.service is running, why?
[05:28] <SimonKALI> how can I fix ssl on apache2, thats is trusted, whed I did self signed is not allowing to use website
[05:43] <dexter0ion> msg a
[06:19] <sree_> Anyone know what could be the reason to get different versions of same package in "apt-get install " and "apt-get source" after adding ppa?
[06:29] <lotus|NUC> sree_: we dont really support ppa's here mate sorry
[06:30] <lotus|NUC> sree_: we advice to keep your system vanilla, with packages from the official repos
[06:32] <lotus|NUC> asciii: can 'history' help in terminal?
[06:34] <sree_> lotos|NUC: understood. but do you have any educated guess for this kind of scenario?
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> sree_: can you explain the whole story please, what are you trying to do exactly?
[06:59] <Grievre> I was debugging a heap corruption problem on an ARM device for work and it seems like there's no debuginfo available for libusb-1.0-0 (on precise armhf). Did old releases just not have debuginfo?
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> !arm | Grievre can they arm channel help?
[07:06] <sree_> lotuspsychje: I have added a ppa for https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/ubuntu/chromium-dev, now the apt-get install is installing the chromium version 72.0.3590.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1~18.10.1, but apt-get source retrieving 72.0.3610.2-0ubuntu1~ppa3~18.10.1
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> !info chromium-browser cosmic
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> sree_: ask the maintainer of the ppa plz
[07:12] <sree_> lotuspsychje:K, thank you
[07:13] <zhujian0805> I disabled systemd-networkd, but It comes up after restart NetworkManager, why did that happen?
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> !netplan | zhujian0805 start here
[07:14] <zhujian0805> thanks, in my netplan config file, i specified renderer: NetworkManager
[07:14] <zhujian0805> but why NetworkManager brings up systemd-networkd ?
[07:16] <zhujian0805> oh wait, looks like after reboot, systemd-networkd is gone
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> sree_: your ppa looks like having this version  	72.0.3610.2-0ubuntu1~ppa3~18.10.1  for 18.10
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> sree_: and i dont see a .3590 there, so how did you install that version?
[07:37] <zhujian0805> a dns question:: if i use dhcp which provide dns name servers, i also have systemd-resolved configured, does systemd-resolve --status show all the name servers for both?
[07:45] <OlofL> Sometimes when I wake up my laptop from suspend, it will show my whole desktop that I had before suspend. But the whole thing is frozen and I cant unlock. The solution is to close and open lid a few times until login screen appears. Common problem??
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> OlofL: suspend & some brands of computers are known problems yes, did you try a bios update yet to latest?
[07:52] <OlofL> lotuspsychje: yes
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> OlofL: wich brand of laptop please?
[07:57] <OlofL> HP EliteBook 830 G5 i7-8550U
[07:58] <OlofL> and ubuntu 18.10
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> OlofL: did you try the same on 18.04.1?
[08:00] <OlofL> I had some other issues on 18.04.1
[08:00] <OlofL> well 18.04, i dont know if it was 18.04.1
[08:01] <OlofL> is 18.04.1 the same kernel as 10?
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> OlofL: no, different kernels and can make a difference
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> OlofL: or, on your current version try to catch the syslog problems
[08:03] <basalt> hi, i have the https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1301/ubuntu-appindicators/ extension, can anyone explain me how i can get rid of it?
[08:04] <OlofL> yeah... hmm should I ssh to my laptop when its happening and see in /var/log/syslog or where is best to look?
[08:05] <linnucks> should I install 18.04 or 18.10
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> linnucks: the users choice, you want LTS or non-LTS?
[08:06] <Grievre> I generally always go with LTS releases
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> OlofL: yeah syslog or dmesg
[08:06] <ducasse> linnucks: if you need to ask you should probably go with 18.04
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> basalt: try gnome-tweak-tool from there you can enable or disable extensions
[08:14] <linnucks> should I downloade LTS
[08:14] <linnucks> or
[08:14] <linnucks> 18.19
[08:14] <linnucks> 18.10
[08:15] <ducasse> linnucks: go with lts unless you have a reason to do otherwise
[08:25] <hateball> linnucks: if you intend to game you probably want the latest release, unless you want to mess about with PPAs to keep stuff up to date
[08:27] <basalt> lotuspsychje i use this tool, but there its disabled, but i down see any different if i enable it, and i cannot remove it from this tool
[08:30] <basalt> so i dont get the reason to have this kstatusnotifieritem support extension at all
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> basalt: ubuntu appindicators has been forked and enabled by default
[08:31] <basalt> lotuspsychje: so there is no need to have this extension
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> basalt: usually its not a good idea to purge packages installed by default, also it depends if you using indicators or not?
[08:34] <basalt> lotuspsychje: ok so i will keep it, not sure if i use indicators since i dont know the additional features of this thing
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> basalt: some packages you install use these indicators, like qbittorrent for example etc
[08:35] <basalt> lotuspsychje: ok got it, i just wanted to be as close to the original and just clean up the "extensions" section
[08:40] <bluefox83> i'm using my cellphone as a hotspot and cant seem to get my packages to update, an apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade fails
[08:41] <bluefox83> it's definately not a bandwidth problem
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> bluefox83: can you pastebin the output please
[08:48] <HipHop-openbox> lotuspsychje, basalt could have used the sudo apt install vanilla-gnome-desktop
[08:48] <bluefox83> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/CGVjkxtZ
[08:49] <HipHop-openbox> Trying a full upgrade from a phone wow
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> HipHop-openbox: a bit overkill to just disabled 1 extension thats installed by default?
[08:50] <bluefox83> HipHop-openbox: i watch movies and tvshows in full 1080p streamed to my ps4 from my phone, this is nothing
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> bluefox83: revert your sources.list to default, wipe the ppa's out of it before
[08:51] <HipHop-openbox> lotuspsychje, exactly ,but he went there should have done research in Google was second choice in simple search
[08:52] <basalt> HipHop-openbox: thx for the hint
[08:52] <HipHop-openbox> Thought you left
[08:53] <bluefox83> lotuspsychje: seems to be working fine now, will i be able to re-add the ppa?
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> bluefox83: we dont really support ppa's here, so use at your own risk after :p
[08:54] <basalt> do you guys remove outdated kernel versions regularly and if so, what tool or command to you use?
[08:54] <HipHop-openbox> basalt, hiding I see! Release this resets gnome bar to default look
[08:55] <bluefox83> i can't really think of what i was using them for to begin with.
[08:55] <basalt> HipHop-openbox: i like the ubuntu look and feel, but i switched from 18.04 to 18.10 and also had all the communitheme installed, so i wanted to use the 18.10 "nativ"
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> bluefox83: we advice to use packages from the official repos, as much as possible
[08:56] <bluefox83> at some point i'll need to update, but i have no other way to fix something if it breaks
[08:56] <bluefox83> lotuspsychje: makes sense, it can be very difficult to help people fix things that aren't in the official repos
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> bluefox83: for that there are !backports and snaps
[08:57] <bluefox83> i really don't like the idea of snaps
[08:58] <HipHop-openbox> basalt, read the article urself and decide on the best course of action is...   https://askubuntu.com/questions/1027890/how-to-remove-app-icons-in-system-tray-ubuntu-18-gnome
[08:59] <HipHop-openbox> basalt, there is few options to tray set up
[08:59] <bluefox83> it's like, why bother with apt if you're just going to use snaps? especially since they are packlaged with all their own dependencies. that can just get out of hand with storage. i don't have money for a bigger hard drive
[08:59] <lotuspsychje> bluefox83: if you are searching for a package or alternative, feel free to ask here, volunteers can think along for solutions
[09:01] <bluefox83> thanks, i'm ok :)
[09:01] <bluefox83> i should go to bed -_-
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> nite nite bluefox83
[09:02] <bluefox83> goodnight
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> basalt: ubuntu has no auto kernel cleanup with unattended upgrades
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> now
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> basalt: it cleans out older kernels and keeps like 3 more recent ones
[09:04] <basalt> lotuspsychje: so u check the current used "uname -r"
[09:05] <basalt> lotuspsychje:and remove the old once with "sudo apt-get remove linux-image-" ??
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> basalt: did you read what i just said?
[09:09] <HipHop-openbox> lotuspsychje, getting all these weird questions bluefox83 should go with openbox or a lower windows manager requirements...
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> HipHop-openbox: pardon?
[09:10] <HipHop-openbox> Save his resources. If snaps is to much on hard drive
[09:11] <basalt> lotuspsychje: you wrote "it cleans out older kernels and keeps like 3 more recent ones"
[09:12] <HipHop-openbox> There are plenty of resource saving options in Ubuntu and linux
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> basalt: automatic kernel cleanup
[09:13] <basalt> lotuspsychje: sorry but before you wrote "ubuntu has no auto kernel cleanup with unattended upgrades"
[09:14] <basalt> lotuspsychje: thats the reason why i am confused now
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> basalt: and i corrected 'now'
[09:15] <basalt> lotuspsychje: aaaah ok is see, sorry, i will look at this now. thx
[09:16] <HipHop-openbox> basalt, read have fun. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels
[09:25] <DARKAD000> hi all
[09:26] <basalt> HipHop-openbox: thx i will
[09:27] <elias_a> What would be the simplest way to monitor the speed of traffic in USB bus?
[09:28] <DARKAD000> I would like to make my ubuntu run faster, how can I do it?
[09:29] <ducasse> DARKAD000: buy a faster machine
[09:29] <DARKAD000> eheh
[09:29] <DARKAD000> any suggestion?
[09:30] <ducasse> use a less resource-intensive desktop
[09:30] <Cybertinus> find out what process is using up your resources and try to finetune that
[09:34] <DARKAD000> I installed lxde
[09:37] <bumblefuzz> hi, I'm using ubuntu mate and have left several messages in #ubuntu-mate over the last few days with only 1 reply that wasn't followed up
[09:37] <bumblefuzz> is there anyone here who knows a little about ubuntu mate?
[09:38] <Mathisen> bumblefuzz, better to ask the full question
[09:39] <bumblefuzz> so, I just installed 18.04.1 and I'd like to make changes to 2 of the applets in the upper panel but I can't find anything on google on how to do this
[09:40] <bumblefuzz> the 2 applets are: "notification area" and "indicator applet complete"
[09:40] <bumblefuzz> these come preinstalled by default
[09:40] <bumblefuzz> but I can't figure out how to alter/edit them
[09:41] <bumblefuzz> I currently have 2 wifi badges to manage network manager and an additional battery icon
[09:41] <bumblefuzz> I can't get rid of them
[09:43] <Mathisen> bumblefuzz, i dont use mate but a quick google-fu told me there is " mate-tweak " and it seem you can edit the panels there
[09:44] <bumblefuzz> I started there
[09:44] <bumblefuzz> in 16.04 I was able to edit these
[09:44] <bumblefuzz> but in 18.04.1 I cannot
[09:44] <bumblefuzz> although in 16.04 there weren't 2 wifi icons
[09:44] <bumblefuzz> so that's a new problem
[09:45] <bumblefuzz> and the option to remove the 2nd battery icon is gone
[09:45] <bumblefuzz> so that's the other problem
[09:47] <Mathisen> ok im sure there is .cfg somewhere, dont know where as i dont use mate.. but maybe someone else knows here
[09:50] <bumblefuzz> I've looked all over google and can't find it
[10:36] <elias_a> I wonder why USB monitoring tool usbtop is not available from repositories for 18.04 but it is for 18.10. What is the rationale?
[10:38] <Hamilton> Does sharing a .deb file generated on my machine, exposes any info about my machine to users?
[10:39] <Mathisen> Hamilton, well that would depend on content in the .deb
[10:41] <Hamilton> Is it a wise thing to do? From a security standpoint I mean.
[10:42] <Hamilton> Do people use a VM to release binaries for their open-source projects?
[10:46] <elias_a> Hamilton: I bet you'd get an answer from the developers channel.
[10:47] <tarzeau> Hamilton: it should be no problem, no. imho
[10:47] <tarzeau> Hamilton: you only share your architecture (amd64, i386, whatever)
[10:48] <tarzeau> Hamilton: and well DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL, if that is a security concern for you or not, is your decision
[10:48] <tarzeau> Hamilton: i use debian unstable machine with my open source projects: http://phd-sid.ethz.ch/debian/
[10:48] <tarzeau> Hamilton: others have their stuff at salsa.debian.org
[10:48] <elias_a> This is interesting. Usbtop has been packaged for Cosmic (18.10) and is in the repositories: https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/usbtop Yet the license is not an open license. The package refers to https://github.com/aguinet/usbtop
[10:48] <tarzeau> Hamilton: what pkg is it about?
[10:49] <tarzeau> elias_a: looks free to me: https://sources.debian.org/src/usbtop/0.2-1/debian/copyright/
[10:51] <elias_a> tarzeau: Look at the link I included. There's quite a different story and the Ubuntu package refers to that Github page.
[10:51] <tarzeau> elias_a: 1st or 2nd link?
[10:52] <tarzeau> the ubuntu pkg is an pretty much 1:1 copy of the debian src pakcage
[10:52] <elias_a> tarzeau: Second. That is offered as the info page of the package when you install the package with GUI.
[10:53] <tarzeau> elias_a: still looks free to me, can you be more specific?
[10:53] <tarzeau> says BSD-3-clause
[11:00] <Hamilton> tarzeau, thanks
[11:00] <Hamilton> tarzeau, Is DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL env variables?
[11:01] <Hamilton> Also dpkg -e generated a folder but does include stuff of the original developer
[11:01] <Hamilton> not me
[11:01] <tarzeau> Hamilton: yes normally your fullname and your email address that you use for packaging with dh/debuild
[11:02] <tarzeau> Hamilton: do you have your package online? .dsc link? which software is it?
[11:02] <Hamilton> tarzeau, but I can't see them with echo $DEBFULLNAME
[11:02] <tarzeau> Hamilton: are you packaging for PPA or Ubuntu or Debian?
[11:02] <tarzeau> Hamilton: because you haven't set them. with dh-make they land in debian/control (and changelog)
[11:03] <Hamilton> tarzeau, its not mine but I was generally interested in knowing these security concerns
[11:03] <Hamilton> tarzeau, Are you student of ETH zurich BTW?
[11:04] <tarzeau> Hamilton: no, part of the ISG group of D-PHYS, but we also support D-BAUG (colmap, cloudcompare, lots of cuda10/nvidia/tensorflow stuff)
[11:04] <tarzeau> Hamilton: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=gurkan%40phys.ethz.ch
[11:04] <tarzeau> happens i'm the linux workstation guy for scientific software and automatic installations here
[11:05] <tarzeau> and we do run Ubuntu 18.04 (a few 16.04 left) but also debian stable for servers (however the packaging i do is all for debian, and ubuntu just copies the stuff)
[11:05] <tarzeau> form, lie, macaulay2, meshlab, largetifftools, rtklib are a few others we use @work
[11:16] <Kali_Yuga> hello I'm trying to install ubuntu but I'm stuck in 640x480 res
[11:17] <Kali_Yuga> so i can't really click on next and continue the installation
[11:18] <Kali_Yuga> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y3mX5FgmQD/
[11:18] <Hackwar> Hi folks, I was in here 2 days ago with a networking issue and I still couldn't resolve it. I have a HP N54L and installed Ubuntu Server on that one a long time ago.I've updated regularly and am now on 18.04. The system simply does not get network access. After the session 2 days ago, I was convinced that the onboard network port was shot, but it seems as if that one is fine, since even with the new network card I don't get a response.
[11:19] <DrManhattan> I know this sounds odd, but have you tried a different cable?
[11:19] <Hackwar> Both interfaces are shown as up and they are receiving and transmitting packets (RX/TX count is slowly rising) but when I do ping 8.8.8.8,I get "Network unreachable"
[11:20] <Hackwar> I also have tried 3 different cables
[11:20] <Hackwar> and several different ports on the switch that sits between the server and the router.
[11:20] <DrManhattan> are you using DHCP or static?
[11:20] <Hackwar> including the one that this computer that I'm writing you from is connected by.
[11:21] <Hackwar> but please give me a minute
[11:21] <Hackwar> I have a horrible, horrible assumption...
[11:23] <DrManhattan> Hackwar, what's the assumption?
[11:24] <solsTiCe> we'll never know
[11:25] <elias_a> tarzeau: Oh - you are quite right. https://github.com/aguinet/usbtop/blob/master/LICENSE is BSD3 clause. My mistake. Sorry.
[11:26] <tarzeau> elias_a: i haven't seen #debian-ftp (ftp masters) missing such a mistake for 10 years... i would've been surprised something non-free getting into main
[11:30] <elias_a> tarzeau: What mislead me is that if you use GUI for installing the package, it claims that the license of the package is proprietary. I wonder what causes this?
[11:32] <elias_a> Disclaimer: I use the GUI in Finnish and the word describing the license could be translated as "proprietary" or "closed source". I honestly don't know which concept is shown in English...
[11:32] <elias_a> ... or even what concept is used...
[11:34] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:34] <tarzeau> elias_a: how do you get the gui? couldn't figure form dpkg -L usbtop nor usbtop -h
[11:35] <tarzeau> oh and it's missing a manual page
[11:38] <Hackwar> DrManhattan: The assumption is, that I'm a stupid fucking moron and did not check my network correctly. I have a powerline connection from my router to the corner where my laptop and server are, which are connected to the same switch. I was absolutely sure that that connection was working, since I was using the net with my laptop. And my laptop is connected via wifi.
[11:38] <Hackwar> and now I'm going to stand in the corner and cry a little bit.
[11:39] <DrManhattan> Hackwar, glad you got it fixed. I didn't have good luck with powerline myself
[11:39] <Hackwar> it is not fixed yet...
[11:39] <elias_a> tarzeau: When I click to download the package, Ubuntu 18.04.1 by default offers 2 options: to download it or install it. The latter opens a GUI dialog, presumably the usual GUI of software center.
[11:39] <Hackwar> but now I know what the issue is...
[11:40] <tarzeau> elias_a: no idea what you mean, i just did apt-get install usbtop, and have run it
[11:40] <tarzeau> elias_a: ahhh gnome-software shows wrong licensing infos, true
[11:40] <tarzeau> elias_a: it always does that, for MOST software. it's just broken
[11:41] <tarzeau> elias_a: i use my own app store: http://phd-sid.ethz.ch/appstore/?protracker
[11:41] <BluesKaj> DrManhattan, powerline ethernet works only on house circuit plugs, not on powerbars and the like , due to their filters
[11:43] <elias_a> tarzeau: Oh - if that is a known issue, perhaps I should file a bug if none exists?
[11:48] <DrManhattan> BluesKaj, they aren't so hot directly on the plug either.
[11:50] <BluesKaj> DrManhattan, i'm using an inexpensive tp-link powerline ethernet system and it works well
[11:50] <elias_a> Is there a way to test a backup set made with Deja Dup?
[11:50] <tarzeau> elias_a: to where?
[11:50] <Cheez> although some feeds are leakier than others. had two buildings using powerline adaptors internally and a wan link. They were seeing spanning tree issues on the wan link
[11:50] <Cheez> turns out the powerline adaptors were leaking
[11:51] <Cheez> through the substation for the estate and into the other building
[11:51] <tarzeau> elias_a: launchpad? sure go ahead, ah gnome-software, i'll click "i also have the issue"
[11:52] <BluesKaj> Cheez, normally powerline ethernet will only work thru one electrical panel if designed correctly
[11:54] <elias_a> tarzeau: I will, too. Thanks!
[11:55] <elias_a> tarzeau: Did you already find a bug report on gnome-software on this issue?
[11:57] <tarzeau> elias_a: no i didn't search
[11:57] <Cheez> i mean to be fair, the one we use at home goes through two panels, and works fine
[11:57] <tarzeau> elias_a: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bugs good luck finding
[11:58] <Cheez> one end is in the living room on the downstairs ring main, the other is in our shed, that has its own breaker panel and hangs off of the kitchen ring main
[11:59] <Cheez> get about 200mbit from it, it's rated for up to gigabit
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Cheez, then you're lucky, mine won't transmit thru a "pony panel"
[12:00] <elias_a> Cheez: It is not about number of panels. It is about whether the outlets are in same phase.
[12:02] <Cheez> elias_a: ah, my knowledge of electrical stuff is limited. I'm a software person. electricals are a hardware issue :)
[12:03] <elias_a> Cheez: That's what I thought. Do you want to have a short explanation?
[12:03] <Cheez> sure, if you have time. always interested to hear new stuff :)
[12:05] <BluesKaj> elias_a, never seen anything about phase, you may be right but how 2 panels connected to each other can be out of phase if properly wired is a mystery to me
[12:07] <elias_a> BluesKaj: As a non-native english user I have difficulties understanding what a "panel" means here. Could you elaborate that - I'll give the explanation.
[12:09] <BluesKaj> elias_a, electrical panel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_board
[12:10] <Cheez> i had assumed it to mean the circuit breaker box, in here in the UK houses have multiple ring circuits (typically one for upstairs, one for downstairs, one for lighting and one for the kitchen) that terminate in a panel containing an RCD for each ring and an overall service one for the house.
[12:10] <Cheez> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_circuit
[12:11] <elias_a> Starting point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power_distribution#220%E2%80%93240_volt_systems
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> guys keep it ontopic please
[12:12] <elias_a> lotuspsychje: Ok. We'll go to messages.
[12:14] <xtron> upgraded to 18.04 on dell percision 7510, my GPU started heating-up, lagging display with gnome desktop. I switch between the display drivers [nvidia -> nouveau] with no success and then set installed the unity desktop, now GPU is cool, fan is silent and system is working crisp. seems like gnome need a lot to optimize and refine
[12:15] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, it's about powerline ethernet on ubuntu and how it's affected by different electrical circuits
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: yeah ive readed it
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> xtron: define your gnome problem please?
[12:19] <xtron> lotuspsychje, gnome is problem, it is resource hungry
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> xtron: your cpu and ram please?
[12:22] <xtron> i7 6820, 16Gb, NVIDIA Quadro M1000M,
[12:31] <xtron> lotuspsychje, ^
[12:31] <tomreyn> then gnome's resource overhead should not be noticeable
[12:32] <tomreyn> there must have been some misconfiguration or, badly supported hardware.
[12:42] <xtron> tomreyn, you mean there is overhead compare to unity?
[12:52] <stevenm> Anyone ever mounted something with FUSE (e.g. sshfs or curlftpfs) and then tried to umount it from the left hand pane of their file manager?  or even just simply calling 'umount /home/user/mydir' (as yourself, not as root) - and got back... "Permission denied"
[12:53] <stevenm> I'm failing to see why we'd get that - if something is mounted as *you* (not as root) to a dir owned by *you* - even if it is FUSE based - why doesn't umount let you unmount it?
[12:53] <stevenm> 'fusermount -u' can do it - but I can't teach my file manager to use that :P
[12:55] <ioria> stevenm, use the "Connect to Server" tool  in Nautilus
[12:56] <solsTiCe> hi. I installed qtcreator. no example there. So I installed qtbase5-examples qtbase5-doc-html but I still get no example shown in qtcreator. What's the problem ?
[12:56] <stevenm> ioria, no thanks - that doesn't do all the things I need it to
[12:59] <ioria> stevenm, looks like a  bug btw
[12:59] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/nautilus/+bug/254171
[13:07] <godzirra> Hey guys.  I'm running ubuntu 18.10, and I'm trying to get my apple trackpad 2 working with multitouch.  Everything I'm reading seems to say that it should do basic multitouch out of the box, but I can't seem to get it to do two finger scrolling or anything else.  How can I test multitouch for sure, and if it's not working, how can I fix it?
[13:08] <stevenm> ioria, that link rings a bell - think i may have looked into this before :S
[13:08] <stevenm> thanks anyway
[13:09] <ioria> stevenm, anothe fm might help you debug your situation
[13:09] <stevenm> I use caja anyway not nautilus - but same issue - forks of each other
[13:09] <stevenm> the issue is with it calling the wrong command
[13:15] <TJ-> stevenm: the GUI tools should/do use udisks
[13:20] <stevenm> TJ-, so it is udisks calling umount rather than fusermount -u ?
[13:22] <TJ-> stevenm: udisksd is a system daemon, user processes call it via dbus, or you can use "udisksctl" manually. That generally mounts user file-systems under /media/$USER/
[13:22] <TJ-> stevenm: udisks doesn't handle virtual file-systems like sshfs
[13:23] <stevenm> so my file manager Caja is likely falling back on normal umount
[13:23] <stevenm> as udisks has no knowledge of that mount
[13:23] <TJ-> stevenm: probably, yes
[13:24] <TJ-> stevenm: although without reading the source-code it's impossible to be sure
[13:24] <stevenm> i'd quite like to do things the udisks way (especially as it goes in /media/user/ and presumably removed unused dir's in there when unmounted)
[13:24] <stevenm> but I'll have to see if there is anyway of having fuse based utilities for mounting the more exotic stuff - to work with udisks
[13:26] <TJ-> stevenm: this may offer some hope: https://askubuntu.com/questions/930536/how-to-make-a-fuse-filesystem-appear-on-media-user-without-root-or-changing-fs
[13:27] <TJ-> stevenm: in summary, it sounds like, as long as you do the fuse mount in a visible user directory, that  Nautilus should see/interact with it. Not sure if that means it knows how to unmount it though
[13:31] <stevenm> TJ-, I mount lots of things in /home/user/Mounts/ and they all show in the file manager fine - it's just unmounting them it doesn't handle
[13:31] <stevenm> i don't believe what they've written in that post about udisks 'learning' the mounts it can see
[13:31] <TJ-> stevenm: right, so presumably 'umount' is up to you then
[13:31] <stevenm> no evidence of that afaik
[13:32] <stevenm> if I wanted to tell udisksctl to mount something new - then does udisks only support certain types of things to mount?
[13:33] <TJ-> stevenm: I don't see anything there abour udisks learning. It talks about Nautilis seeing the mounts. That'll be because it subscribes to mount events by the user
[13:33] <TJ-> stevenm: udisks is for  block devices, not handling file-systems
[13:34] <stevenm> block devices and loopbacks from files I'm guessing - only
[13:34] <TJ-> stevenm: it is a subtle distinction until, as you've found, you're dealing with pseudo-filesystems
[13:47] <Younder> Does Steam still require 32 bit OpenGl librares?
[13:48] <Younder> Get a GlXChooseVisual failed..
[13:52] <blackflow> Younder: yes, it's still primarily 32-bit.
[13:54] <Sky_Scraper> hi guys, I got a problem, I'm running a virtual machine with ubuntu server in which I installed lxde and lightdm-dkg-greeter, running like a charm, but no way to make startup script working, I created .desktop files into ~/.config/autostart folder, copy/pasted from a KDE ubuntu virtual machine
[13:54] <Sky_Scraper> not working, I also tried to add a command into /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart script, a command like: @konsole --noclose -e echo "yooo"
[13:54] <Sky_Scraper> I have konsole installed and working
[13:56] <Strykar> Sky_Scraper, have you tried with konsole.Desktop in ~/.config/autostart/
[13:59] <Kazdax> hi how do i get a  mail for unattended-installation which it happens
[13:59] <Kazdax> sudo apt install apticron ?
[14:00] <Kazdax> i set my main domains name to Name.org
[14:09] <elias_a> Is there a way to test a backup set made with Deja Dup?
[14:37] <bipul> I would like to install Ubuntu Server 18.04 via preseed(Automatic installation). Here is my preseed file https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Xbj8fyRv3G/ , I'm not sure How will be the configuration look's like in  /isolinux/tx.cfg and /boot/grub/grub.cfg. Please help.
[14:59] <ducasse> !crosspost | bipul
[15:00] <bipul> Okay ducasse .
[15:15] <puxavida> I have been following the zfs no linux for ubuntu and it has worked fine on 2 systems.  I tried it on a laptop with 2 256 gig ssds, but when I do the cryptsetup luksFormat the space created is only  8 mib, instead of the mostly available 256 gig ssd.  Any idea why?
[15:29] <basalt> hey, is there a nice overview whats the different between ubuntu gnome and vanilla gnome
[15:32] <TJ-> puxavida: how are you using cryptsetup?
[15:33] <puxavida> TJ-, you mean the parameters when using it?
[15:34] <TJ-> puxavida: right, and how you are determing this 8MiB space ?
[15:34] <TJ-> puxavida: all luksFormat does it create the header
[15:34] <puxavida> here: https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu-18.04-Root-on-ZFS
[15:35] <puxavida> cryptsetup luksFormat -c aes-xts-plain64 -s 256 -h sha25 /dev/sda1
[15:35] <puxavida> I use fdisk -l to check
[15:38] <puxavida> after doing cryptsetup luksOpen...
[15:39] <TJ-> puxavida: well crypsetup doesn't create a device using luksFormat, if you're checking the size of /dev/sda1 that was created by some other command you've done
[15:39] <TJ-> puxavida: If you're following that guide I presume you used sgdisk to create partition 1, as 8MiB
[15:39] <puxavida> ok, i'll try again.  I have been using the defaults and the other systems worked fine.  Maybe the previous format on the disks is doing something
[15:42] <puxavida> I'm using 2.2b the luks setup with sgdisk
[15:42] <puxavida> section 2.2b on that page
[15:42] <TJ-> puxavida: I think youi'll find those instructions are totally wrong! they have you create a minimial partition #1 and encrypt only that, not the disk, so there is no full disk encryption going on!
[15:42] <puxavida> yeah, just partition encryption
[15:43] <TJ-> puxavida: but as you've seen partition #1 is a mimimal size, not even sure why they do that it makes no sense
[15:44] <puxavida> it's looks a bit out of order from what I'm used to for /boot, etc
[15:46] <Skidz> Hi @all
[15:46] <TJ-> puxavida: sgdisk -n1:0:0 is supposed to mean use the largest free block
[15:46] <puxavida> not sure why in 2.2 you create part 2 then in 2.2b you make part 1 and 4??
[15:47] <puxavida> why not part 1 then 2 then 3, if needed
[15:47] <TJ-> puxavida: it does look illogical doesn't it?
[15:48] <puxavida> I guess part 2 and 4 are set, but then part 1 setup should take the rest
[15:49] <TJ-> puxavida: i know of no reason that P1 needs to be main data partition. If I were you i'd create them in order of EFI-SP (EF00), BIOS-boot (EF02) zpool (8300 - though that is suppoed to indicate ext FS!)
[15:50] <puxavida> I'll try some things and see what happens, thanks
[15:50] <TJ-> puxavida: I think what they're trying to do is 'be clever' with the multiple-of-2048 alignment by putting the BIOS Boot early (since it only needs ~1MB)
[15:51] <TJ-> puxavida: then they start the EFI-SP (FAT16/32) at sector 2048 in partition #2
[15:52] <puxavida> i'm going to try the order I'm used to seeing and see what happens.  As long as grub install, fstab/crypttab have correct info, it should work
[15:52] <TJ-> puxavida: if you create those successfully, then "sgdisk -n:0:0:0 -t:8300 /dev/sda" should mean 0:0:0 creates the next partition number (0), starting from the first free sector (0), to end of disk (0)
[15:53] <TJ-> puxavida: leaving you with a partition #3 enclosing the remainder of the disk
[15:53] <puxavida> ok thanks
[15:55] <bipul> What does this error mean? find: File system loop detected; ‘./ubuntu’ is part of the same file system loop as ‘.’.
[15:56] <Cheez> well poop. upgraded my first -remote- server to 18.04 from 16.04, seems to have come back up fine, but without sshd running
[15:56] <Cheez> everything's working on it otherwise, just no access to it
[15:56] <Cheez> i'm gonna have to go drive to it
[15:56] <Skidz> Been there, done that
[15:56] <Skidz> Have the mileage ;)
[15:57] <Cheez> i did a remote power cycle, no dice alas
[15:57] <Skidz> And no remote console?
[15:58] <Cheez> in theory i have kvm access via it's ILM card, but the remote access thing requires like java 4 and uses MD5 signed certs and works in IE6 only
[15:58] <Cheez> and funnily enough i don't keep a windows XP vm handy
[15:59] <Skidz> Ah yes, old ILO required some pretty specific and horrific stuff to work. Gotten it to work after some time, but luckily the company ditched them.
[15:59] <Cheez> should ask the hosts to upgrade the ilm card
[15:59] <Skidz> I remember eventually using the asx version instead of the java one... Might be wrong though.
[16:00] <Cheez> i suppose -technically- it's not terribly urgent, i mean everything's actually working,
[16:00] <Cheez> apart from sshd
[16:07] <puxavida> hmm, maybe it's because sda is actually my usb stick and sbb and sdc are the ssds :(  Didn't notice that till now.
[16:09] <puxavida> Must be this laptop, I've never seen the ubuntu boot flash drive as /dev/sda, seemed to be sde on the desktop systems
[16:09] <gunavara> Hello all, anyone had problem with fans on a laptop going full speed all the time (25500rpm on Asus rog) while the temperature on cpu and videocard is 30C ? (ubuntu 18.10)
[16:09] <freeroute> ubuntu extended LTS support to 10 years, is the last LTS (16.04) also going to get extended support like that?
[16:10] <puxavida> maybe that is why they say use /dev/disk/by-id since the sda, sdb, etc. can change
[16:10] <puxavida> UUIDs never change, I guess
[16:14] <geirha> uuid is an identifier for the filesystem, so the uuid will typically only change when you (re)format a partition (mkfs)
[16:14] <eden> Hey I just upgraded to 18.1 from 18.04... took awhile on first boot then worked fine. However on a second boot its just hung on the ubuntu splash. Any steps to troubleshoot this?
[16:14] <freeroute> gunavara: oof, generally it's a firmware thing, so most likely it's hardware-dependant and hard to fix. See if you can adjust it using fancontrol and see what's in /bus/platform/drivers/acpi-fan... other than that, if you don't know how to write drivers I predict a bleak future for those fans.
[16:15] <eden> can I do a verbose mode or similar and hopefully see where its hanging?
[16:16] <freeroute> eden: stick to LTS next time. And yes, you can have verbose mode by pressing Esc during boot.
[16:17] <TJ-> puxavida: yes, that was what I assumed; I also assumed you'd verified what device sda was
[16:19] <puxavida> TJ-, yeah, vigilance in checking the details - I should never assume... based on previous installs :)
[16:21] <sruli> TJ-: hiya, giving up on my issue, will try to make time to reinstall my pc with 18.04, hopefully wont have the issue there
[16:23] <tomreyn> freeroute: 16.04 LTs is niether the last (final) nor the latest (18.04 LTS is) LTS release. 10x support will only be introduced starting 18.04 LTS, and as far as i know it's not yet clear which releases / packages this applies to.
[16:23] <eden> freeroute: so I went to recovery mode, did a network enable then dpkg (didn't find anything I don't think), then continued and it booted. It said something about not enabling graphics drivers.... should I look into updating nvidia maybe?
[16:23] <tomreyn> i mean variants / flavours, not releases.
[16:24] <freeroute> eden: I have no experience with nvidia, in fact I avoid it because of such risks.
[16:24]  * tomreyn +1
[16:24] <eden> okay, guess more generally I mean to ask, Ubuntu hangs on boot, I recover mode and then basically continue... any general steps on identifying what is different, what didn't load, etc?
[16:25] <eden> It was also snappy to boot, its been slow for many months for me, the boot process.
[16:27] <tomreyn> eden: the 'journalctl' annd 'dmesg' commands provide access to system logs
[16:29] <ryuo> tomreyn: meaning the 3-5 windows for Desktop may remain the same?
[16:29] <ryuo> year*
[16:30] <tomreyn> ryuo: i don't know, all i have seen so far is a quote of shuttleworths' announcement, and it is not specific on this.
[16:30] <hggdh> ryuo: still to be explained, I think. Certainly the 10y will apply for the server, desktop IDK
[16:30] <ryuo> ok.
[16:31] <eden> tomreyn: thanks, I'll look at those commands, any options/tips to specifically target logs on the boot process, or actually the one before that failed?
[16:32] <sruli> how can i decrypt a gpg file without the key in keyring? i want to gpg --decrypt /file --key=/path/to/my.key
[16:32] <eden> ahh --dmesg
[16:34] <gambl0re> Bluetooth: hci0: last event is not cmd complete (0x0f)
[16:35] <gambl0re> im using kubuntu and bluetooth isnt playing any sound even though the device is paired. anyone know if this is a bug and if theres a fix? thanks
[16:38] <Not_White_Rabbit> Hi. I'm trying to build apps without Android Studio, just packages available for ubuntu 18.04. Building fails with "NoClassDefFoundError: com/google/protobuf/MessageOrBuilder"
[16:38] <tomreyn> eden: "journalctl -b" for logs starting with the latest boot
[16:38] <eden> journalctl -b-1 is showing me last boot log, interesting stuff, lots of stuff that looks like errors
[16:40] <eden> tomreyn: anyway to watch that log while it boots?
[16:40] <eden> I couldnt seem to get a verbose mode going... even in recovery.
[16:42] <tomreyn> eden: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelBoot
[16:43] <tomreyn> 2nd paragraph, "Capture information from a bad boot and post to your bug report"
[16:50] <eden> thanks tomreyn, I'll dig into that. I'm also considering disabling any/all services I can and nvidia and just see if that resolves it, then enable one by one... seems like a logical approach.
[16:51] <Kazdax> whats a good windows manager for ubuntu
[16:51] <Kazdax> is the default one gnome good enough ?
[16:51] <Kazdax> i am mainly need it for being good to look at and ease to use
[16:51] <Kazdax> to pull up programs and such
[16:52] <sruli> Kazdax: try default one and see
[16:52] <Kazdax> i like so far
[16:52] <eden> Kazdax: gnome is great, I like it. There is also KDE which is fantastic too. I'd check those out. There are lighter ones too, if you have less hardware power I'd look into those
[16:52] <Kazdax> ya ill look into KDE
[16:53] <Kazdax> before KDE used to be used because it was more advance than gnome right
[16:53] <Kazdax> my before i mean like 15 years ago
[16:53] <Kazdax> by*
[16:53] <eden> Kazdax: also budgie I find pretty slick and fully functional / solid.
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> !windowmanagers | Kazdax
[16:53] <freeroute> Kazdax: you sure you mean a window manager instead of desktop environment? Because you just mentioned a DE.
[16:53] <freeroute> oh lol nvm
[16:54] <Kazdax> i like ubuntu specially over windows
[16:54] <Kazdax> its like when it boots and you get to the ubuntu desktop
[16:54] <Kazdax> you can open files as soon as it boots into the OS
[16:55] <Kazdax> rather than like windows where you need to wait for all the programs to load
[16:55] <tomreyn> eden: chances are you just need a newer nvidia driver. "lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA" tells you which model(s) you have and which modules are in use to manage / drive them. for ubuntu maintained proproietary drivers, use "ubuntu-drivers devices" and "ubuntu-drivers list"
[16:55] <tomreyn> eden: and maybe you need !nomodeset
[16:57] <freeroute> Kazdax: and the cool thing is that you can customize it to load even less than that. Just only load the things you need :)
[16:57] <eden> tomreyn: very helpful. Thanks for these I'll start there! I ran lspci -vnnn | perl -lne 'print if /^\d+\:.+(\[\S+\:\S+\])/' | grep VGA and it looks like nvidia is in use, after starting through recovery mode... still good idea to upgrade driver I think.
[16:59] <tomreyn> eden: as you can tell from 'cat /proc/cmdline' reocvery mode enables !nomodeset (normal boot does not, by default) which is why you could then continue the boot.
[17:00] <eden> tomreyn: very likely! may have saved me a headache there, going to try that next.
[17:00] <tomreyn> eden: your lspci oneliner returns nothing for me.
[17:02] <eden> hmmm wonder if hexchat mangled it, working for me... let me find reference: https://askubuntu.com/questions/68028/how-do-i-check-if-ubuntu-is-using-my-nvidia-graphics-card
[17:02] <tomreyn> eden: the code is buggy, filters out numeric hex values (in PCI bus addresses) only
[17:02] <eden> first answer not accepted.
[17:02] <eden> tomreyn: good call, I just copy pasted and didn't look at it much, my regex is pretty bad.
[17:03] <eden> did work for me though
[17:04] <wubwubtu> hello, I can't get sound from my headphone outputs (nor front or back) audio settings says that I am transmitting audio from a dummy output. Here is my lspci - https://apaste.info/vOUz
[17:04] <freeroute> wubwubtu: whooo boy. Audio problems on Linux. All I can say is... good luck.
[17:05] <wubwubtu> Thanks.
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> freeroute: please if you dont know the answer, try to be helpful instead
[17:06] <freeroute> I wished him good luck, that's all I can do. he/she will need it most likely.
[17:06] <gambl0re> freeroute, i dont understand the point of writing that. it's pointless
[17:06] <gambl0re> provides no help
[17:07] <gambl0re> anyways my bluetooth is not working on kubuntu? i tried installing pavu but still not working. any advice?
[17:07] <freeroute> maybe for the moral of whoever is asking for help? Also as a warning to users who deal with audio on linux?
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> freeroute: a warning for what?
[17:08] <gambl0re> he's just being a fucking jerk.
[17:09] <sruli> how can i decrypt a gpg file without the key in keyring? i want to gpg --decrypt /file --key=/path/to/my.key
[17:09] <freeroute> in what absolute terrible state audio on linux is. Here's another advice, wubwubtu. If you want to do anything related to multimedia editing, best go with a Mac. It's best to go with the best tool for the job anyways.
[17:10] <wubwubtu> I ran alsa-test and it generated a link: https://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=77cb71b60ba648a61c960a1681d4da23995db988
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> freeroute: please dont do that, you cant generalize things like that
[17:10] <freeroute> some things are just vested in reality, sorry.
[17:11] <TJ-> wubwubtu: are there HDMI audio devices? We often see the HDMI audio gets detected first and therefore becomes Card 0; and the tools all default to using the first device as output
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> freeroute: feel free to discuss it in #ubuntu-discuss
[17:12] <freeroute> nah, I'm done with spending time on that.
[17:12] <TJ-> freeroute: That is not true; I use a Linux Digital Audio Workstation with Ardour, complete with external I/O mixers and control surfaces
[17:12] <tomreyn> sruli: gpg expects secret keys to be stored in keyrings, it's how it works. you don't need to pollute your existing keyring, but can create and use a different one using the --homedir option.
[17:12] <freeroute> TJ-: congrats on being the 1%. When it works it works great but...
[17:12] <TJ-> sruli: You can't you need to use a temporary keyring and import the key into it first
[17:13] <sruli> tomreyn: TJ-: i get it, i was hoping to be able to easily decrpyt a file on another users PC without leaving anything behind
[17:13] <wubwubtu> TJ-:  I only have dummy output according to Volume Control
[17:15] <wubwubtu> and it's supposed to show all output devices
[17:16] <wubwubtu> Also this thing doesn't even have HDMI ports.
[17:16] <TJ-> wubwubtu: OK, so we need to dig a bit. show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk; aplay -l )"
[17:16] <stormbard> hey I'm seeing message printed to the screen right before the grub boot menu is displayed. Is there any place these are stored?
[17:17] <stormbard> or any way I can pause before the grub menu?
[17:17] <wubwubtu> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9yhpGPxRBS/
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> stormbard: what messages are you talking about?
[17:18] <wubwubtu> TJ-: It should be an integrated interface
[17:18] <wubwubtu> Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) [1002:4383] (rev 40)
[17:18] <gambl0re> can anyone help me get my camera and bluetooth to work? bluetooth is paired but theres no audio output
[17:18] <TJ-> wubwubtu: does it have speakers?
[17:18] <TJ-> wubwubtu: try this as a test, too: " speaker-test -Dfront:CARD=PCH -c 2 -t wav "
[17:19] <XenophonF> how do I type Alt-F2 in Gnome Temrinal?
[17:19] <XenophonF> that keeps popping up the Gnome run dialog box
[17:19] <stormbard> lotuspsychje: I'm not exactly sure as I they go by so quickly, I do see the words compression and error. May be something with zfs
[17:20] <TJ-> wubwubtu: well good news is, there is a sound device, so now show us "pastebinit <( aplay -L )" - this lists all the device source/sinks
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> stormbard: are you using zfs? and wich ubuntu release?
[17:21] <wubwubtu> TJ-: https://apaste.info/aHC9 and http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/R58X9FC4Nf/
[17:21] <tomreyn> stormbard: if it's *before* the grub menu loads then it's either part of the BIOS POST or a message grub prints during initialization (i dont remember seeing it do this, though).
[17:21] <stormbard> lotuspsychje: I am using a zfs root pool to boot off of. Ubuntu 18.04
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> stormbard: desktop or server?
[17:22] <stormbard> server
[17:22] <tomreyn> stormbard: and none of those are looged on disk since the disk is not writable  (at least not by grub / linux, which is not even loaded then) at the time.
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> stormbard: come join in #ubuntu-server please
[17:23] <tomreyn> stormbard: if the message displays during boot, hitting the pause key may actually help reading it.
[17:23] <TJ-> wubwubtu: ah, card is SB, so test with: " speaker-test -Dfront:CARD=SB -c 2 -t wav "
[17:24] <stormbard> tomreyn: I'm thinking grub initialization and I'll give that a try
[17:24] <Kali_Yuga> Hello tried to make a dual boot install with windows 10. but when I start my pc now I just get Intel R boot agent GE. and that it didn't find a boot sequence
[17:25] <TJ-> wubwubtu: also, let's check how PulseAudio sound server is configured: "pastebinit <( pactl info )"
[17:25] <Kali_Yuga> I tried switching around in bios between UEFI/Legacy but that didn't make much difference
[17:25] <EoflaOE> Kali_Yuga: Is it BIOS or UEFI? and did the error messages appear during installation?
[17:26] <Kali_Yuga> No the installation went throu but when I restartet it gave me that message
[17:26] <Kali_Yuga> I think it's UEFI
[17:26] <wubwubtu> TJ-: yes, I can hear the audio with that speaker test: https://apaste.info/7fUQ - also pactl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wCVfbchQ7k/
[17:26] <gambl0re> can anyone help me?
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: try a tail -f /var/log/syslog and plugin your BT device to catch usefull errors
[17:27] <gambl0re> ok
[17:28] <TJ-> wubwubtu: great news, and it seems you've got PA configured with "Default Sink: auto_null" so if you're using a desktop environment you need to access its Sound Config (possibly through the indicator sound icon) and select the preferred output device
[17:28] <gambl0re> lotuspsychje, https://pastebin.com/mw4YsrAk
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: that sounds fishy Bluetooth: hci0: SCO packet for unknown connection handle 0
[17:30] <gambl0re> ?
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: your kernel version please, and do you have a realtek wifi chipset?
[17:30] <gambl0re> lotuspsychje, how do i check that
[17:30] <wubwubtu> TJ-: hmm, I can't using pavucontrol - is there another place where I can do that?
[17:31] <TJ-> wubwubtu: ok, then you've a permissions issue if only the dummy device is thre
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: uname -a && sudo lshw -C network
[17:31] <TJ-> wubwubtu: "If the only playback device is the Dummy Output, PulseAudio can not access your sound devices. Either the user has no permissions or some other process is blocing it"
[17:31] <Kali_Yuga> can boot-repair fix that? I'm just sitting on a live stick right now :/
[17:31] <gambl0re> this is my kernel 4.15.0-39-generic
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: ok that looks up to date
[17:31] <TJ-> wubwubtu: so show us "pastebinit <( ls -la /dev/snd/* )"
[17:32] <Kali_Yuga> Idk what I messed up
[17:32] <gambl0re> lotuspsychje, https://pastebin.com/VDKU6Bv8
[17:33] <wubwubtu> TJ-: I don't know if I have done anything wrong, this is a fresh install. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WB5MfmWRp4/
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: older, related bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1430696
[17:35] <EoflaOE> Kali_Yuga: Try the boot_repair and see.
[17:35] <gambl0re> so theres no fix meaning im screwed basically
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: i never said there's no fix, we are still investigating right, im helping widen your paths
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: a good start would be to affect yourself to the bug, tell your story its still happening on 18.04.1
[17:40] <Kali_Yuga> EoflaOE: should I get the windows or the grub bootloader now?
[17:40] <gambl0re> also how do i turn on the webcam. i dont see any camera function key on my keyboard. do you know? im using a lenovo thinkpad t480s
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> !info cheese | gambl0re
[17:40] <EoflaOE> Kali_Yuga: Get the grub one.
[17:42] <gambl0re> lotuspsychje, i installed cheese. and the webcam seems to be working except that im seeing a green static like video
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: try to restart the bluetooth service with systemd and try again
[17:45] <arora> lotuspsychje: How is bluetooth service related to webcam?
[17:45] <Kali_Yuga> In which device do I need to install the grub bootloader. I've made a dual boot partition like I said. My hDD is I think the hitachi one. the 600gb is the linux partition? https://www1.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=14731632
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> arora: im also helping him with his BT audio problem, scroll up please
[17:45] <TJ-> wubwubtu: OK, I'm guessing your user isn't a member of the "audio" group. Show us "pastebinit <( echo $USER; groups )"
[17:45] <Kali_Yuga> so is it sda or sda6? I think it's sda but i'm just making sure
[17:45] <EoflaOE> Kali_Yuga: Try the /dev/sda first.
[17:45] <Kali_Yuga> ok will do
[17:45] <gambl0re> you want me to restar the bluetooth service?
[17:46] <gambl0re> but we didnt make any changes
[17:46] <TJ-> Kali_Yuga: "grub-install" is always to the physical device; it figures out which partition to use, if required
[17:46]  * arora sends his apologies to lotuspsychje 
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: we are still investigating right? there's no magic red button to solve everything in ubuntu
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> arora: np mate
[17:47] <wubwubtu> TJ-: not my user is not in the audio group. I'll add my user to the audio group and re-login.
[17:47] <wubwubtu> *not
[17:47] <wubwubtu> *no
[17:47] <wubwubtu> damnit
[17:47] <TJ-> wubwubtu: :)
[17:48] <gambl0re> lotuspsychje, ok how do i restart bluetooth services?
[17:49] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: usually, for Bluetooth audio devices, the issue is that pulseaudio's module-bluetooth-discover isn't loaded
[17:49] <wubwubtu> brb
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: systemctl restart bluetooth
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: is that the A2DP i keep reading?
[17:51] <gambl0re> lotuspsychje, ok i restarted bluetooth service. you want me to reboot?
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: no, try again now with your device?
[17:52] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: A2DP is Advanced Audio Distribution Protocol
[17:52] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: there are also 'headset' profiles
[17:52] <gambl0re> ok
[17:52] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: but the issue usually is that PA isn't discovering the BT devices
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> TJ- gambl0re i also found a few of these: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1721271
[17:53] <SwaggerArch> lotuspsychje: hate bluetooth devices with android .. either hit or miss with bluetooth 3.0 or bluetooth 2.0
[17:54] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: gambl0re use "pactl list modules | grep bluetooth" - you should expect to see module-bluetooth-policy, module-bluetooth-discover, and module-bluez5-discover
[17:54] <gambl0re> lotuspsychje, still not working. but i found this. https://askubuntu.com/questions/239209/no-sound-from-bluetooth-headset-but-its-detected
[17:54] <gambl0re> look at the second answer
[17:54] <TJ-> gambl0re: sorry, that should be "pactl list modules | grep blue"
[17:56] <gambl0re> TJ-, ok one sec
[17:57] <gambl0re> https://pastebin.com/A60BSumg
[17:58] <TJ-> gambl0re: that looks good, so you should see the device as a sink (output) in pavucontrol (the PulseAudio GUI)
[17:59] <wubwubtu> TJ-: did not work :( pacmd list-sinks still says that I only have null output
[17:59] <TJ-> gambl0re: for some headets you may need to use the bluetooth config application to tell it to connect to the correct service on the device (if it offers multiple profiles e.g: A2DP, HSP )
[17:59] <gambl0re> TJ-, i see the bluetooth device in pavu
[18:00] <gambl0re> its just theres no audio
[18:00] <wubwubtu> https://apaste.info/EFkg
[18:00] <TJ-> wubwubtu: if the user wasn't in the 'audio' group that suggest the user is also missing from other impirtant groups.
[18:00] <TJ-> gambl0re: you've selected it as the output device and are actively streaming audio data to it?
[18:01] <gambl0re> wait. let me double check
[18:01] <wubwubtu> TJ-: these are the groups: myuser adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare
[18:01] <gambl0re> oh shit its working
[18:01] <gambl0re> it was selected as output device
[18:01] <gambl0re> it wasnt...
[18:02] <gambl0re> however the sound quality is really low. like listening out of a radio
[18:02] <gambl0re> but we're making progress. thanks guys
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | TJ-
[18:03] <gambl0re> in pavu theres a configuration tab. when i set the Profile dropdown to High Fidelity Playback it doesnt work and goes back to laptop audio
[18:04] <gambl0re> it works but like i said the quality sound is low.
[18:04] <gambl0re> nevermind...fixed!!!
[18:05] <TJ-> gambl0re: poor sound quality suggests it is using headset profile; you want A2DP instead. You should be able to choose that, if it is available, in the bluetooth control panel for that device
[18:05] <gambl0re> i had to set Built in Audio Profile to Digital Stereo (HDMI 2) oUTPUT
[18:05] <TJ-> wubwubtu: Try this: "pulseaudio --kill && pulseaudio --start" then test again
[18:06] <gambl0re> damn....this is amazing. thanks guys. is there a way to donate money?
[18:09] <wubwubtu> TJ-: yeah that worked. I'll reboot and see whether this persists.
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: ubuntu works with volunteers, money isnt needed here
[18:11] <gambl0re> ok...well thanks for your help everyone!
[18:16] <wubwubtu> TJ-: it doesn't persist :(
[18:16] <wubwubtu> so should I add that line to my login script or something?
[18:17] <TJ-> wubwubtu: OK, but we proved it /can/ work so we've narrowed the cause. I did some research. One reason can be some other application or service exclusively opening the sound devices at start-up.
[18:18] <TJ-> wubwubtu: there is a suggest to check "cat /etc/default/speech-dispatcher" that should show RUN=no" (if it is 'yes' it needs changing.
[18:18] <TJ-> wubwubtu: if that is set to 'no' then we can investigate other services that might be causing it
[18:18] <wubwubtu> hmm, well whatever it is, it's most likely a bug (that needs to be fixed) so should I file it?
[18:18] <wubwubtu> show RUN=no here
[18:19] <freeroute> sound broken on fresh install? Yep sounds like a bug to me.
[18:20] <freeroute> does it sounds like a bug to devs? Hmmm...
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> freeroute: can you stop that please
[18:22] <platzhirsch> I am in a public WiFi and when trying to tunnel via OpenVPN I get: no route to host: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:443 which doesn't seem to make any sense to me? 443 is surely open for HTTPS and there is no domain that needs to be resolved
[18:22] <platzhirsch> how can I further debug this?
[18:23] <sruli> platzhirsch: is 443 open on the vpn server and is it nat?
[18:23] <melkor> Does anybody know the latest version of cuda that can be install on 18.04?
[18:24] <melkor> preferably with the default gcc.
[18:24] <platzhirsch> sruli: I am using a commercial vpn server, so I suppose. Used the configuration files from NordVPN
[18:25] <tomreyn> platzhirsch: does the public wifi have a capture portal? if so, have you gone through it, yet?
[18:25] <sruli> platzhirsch: so its nordvpn when did you get the IP? i know they add and remove servers frequently, can you ping the ip?
[18:26] <wubwubtu> so just as a temporary hack I can just run these commands on login. In ubuntu where is the best place I can do that? Specify commands to run on login.
[18:26] <hethkar> is it possible to start xampp without sudo ?
[18:27] <platzhirsch> sruli: wasn't able to ping it, I just redownloaded all the configs but maybe they didn't update it?
[18:27] <platzhirsch> maybe I just try more servers
[18:28] <tomreyn> hethkar: where do you read "xampp" (and what made you think it is something you start?)
[18:28] <TJ-> platzhirsch: the 'public wifi' may be blackholing known VPN destinations
[18:28] <platzhirsch> ugh... that would be really nice. Thank you providing me with this unsecured WiFi and I can't even secure it ^^
[18:28] <platzhirsch> time to set up my own vpn server
[18:28] <sruli> platzhirsch: nordvpn does not provide ip's in their config, they provide domainnames, what is the ip you are trying? and as tomreyn asked are you connected to the wifi portal fully? can you access internet from that device without von?
[18:29] <platzhirsch> I can, yes
[18:29] <platzhirsch> in that case, I should try resolving it first through my phone hotspot and see if the IPs match up
[18:29] <TJ-> sounds like the service is null-routing the VPN IPs
[18:29] <sruli> platzhirsch: this si a nordvpn server, can you ping it? 195.242.213.114
[18:30] <hethkar> tomreyn: the xampp package which is started as "sudo /opt/lampp/xampp start"
[18:32] <tomreyn> platzhirsch: what does this return (also try replacing this ip address by theat of the vpn server you're using)? echo -e "HEAD / HTTP/1.0\n\n" | nc -vv 195.242.213.114 443
[18:32] <platzhirsch> sorry, had to reconnect WiFi, yes I was able to ping that IP
[18:32] <tomreyn> hethkar: this doesn't seem to be an ubuntu package, those don't install to /opt
[18:32] <platzhirsch> also I looked into the config file and it has IP addresses hard coded
[18:32] <platzhirsch> so I guess that's the problem
[18:32] <sruli> platzhirsch: if you were able to ping it might be the original server is down
[18:33] <sruli> platzhirsch: takes 5 minutes to setup your own and you dont need to rely on the promises of comapnies without a face that they wont keep logs and track you
[18:33] <hethkar> tomreyn: yes its not ubuntu package, i am wondering if such services can be started with use of sudo
[18:35] <sruli> platzhirsch: for docker you can use this https://github.com/kylemanna/docker-openvpn or for vm this is a good guide https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/vpn/set-up-a-hardened-openvpn-server/
[18:35] <tomreyn> hethkar: generally, you can run everything using sudo, unless it specifically prohibits it. most of the time, running things through sudo is a bad idea, though, and sometimes it will even break things. whether you can or should run this /opt/lampp/xampp with sudo or not, i could not know, since i don't know what it is (I do know what the abbreviationb XAMPP stands for in general, but this doesn'T help)
[18:36] <lucidguy> ok, I can't figure out how to manually set the default gateway on 18.04 while using DHCP
[18:36] <tomreyn> hethkar: generally, running random software you possibly downloaded via insecure means with sudo is a very bad idea.
[18:37] <hethkar> tomreyn: thanks
[18:37] <sruli> TJ-: someone told me this morning that facebook managed to crack vpn encryption as when he logs in using vpn they still know its him :-) the vpn companies really need a beating for not telling users that just encrypting their traffic to their servers does not do much against tracking
[18:37] <tomreyn> hethkar: ..because this enables this software to break your entire system, steal your data, and whatnot. more often, it will just break things and you won't be able to find out what or how.
[18:38] <tomreyn> hethkar: this said, there are exceptions to this general rule. since you provide no further information on this software i cannot coment on whether this may be the case here.
[18:39] <platzhirsch> sruli: it worked… did my last messages appear here? I probably got disconnected
[18:39] <sruli> platzhirsch: last message i see is "so I guess that's the problem"
[18:39] <TJ-> lucidguy: if you're using desktop edition, then edit the connection (via the nm-applet indicator icon). On the connection's IPv4 tab, press the "Routes" button, then tick "use this connection only for resources on its network"
[18:40] <TJ-> lucidguy: once you've done that, you can set your own default route as needed
[18:40] <lucidguy> TJ-: this is server
[18:40] <tomreyn> platzhirsch: and yes you timed out
[18:40] <platzhirsch> Basically, I kept using configuration files that didn't work, but when I picked the first in list, it worked... so the rest of them probably changed
[18:40] <TJ-> lucidguy: so you're using systemd-networkd ?
[18:41] <sruli> platzhirsch: yes they frequantly change servres, you need to keep downloading the configs, i once wrote a script to update norvpn config files
[18:42] <TJ-> lucidguy: you may be configuring the network via netplan (/etc/netplan/*) or via /etc/systemd/network/
[18:43] <platzhirsch> sruli: okay. Thanks for helping me out here, I was so sure something is wrong with my local network settings
[18:44] <lucidguy> TJ-: This I know, I just can't seem to overide the DHCP behavior.
[18:45] <platzhirsch> also stumbled over this hidden endpoint https://nordvpn.com/api/server
[18:45] <platzhirsch> Now my last wish would be an OpenVPN server that uses port 53 that I don't have to maintain ^^
[18:45] <wubwubtu> what is the recommended way to specify commands to run on login on 18.04?
[18:45] <TJ-> lucidguy: well, once you've figured out where the interface is configured, you can use the relevant man-pages or docs to find out.
[18:46] <lucidguy> TJ-:I've been trying, and have failed, hence the inquiry :)
[18:46] <TJ-> lucidguy: right, but we cannot tell you until you find out how it is being done :D
[18:46] <TJ-> lucidguy: I've told you where to look
[18:47] <puxavida> TJ-, got 18.04 working with zfs raid1.  Helps to use the correct device names ;)
[18:47] <lucidguy> TJ-:Appreciat the response.. I'll keep hacking away here.
[18:47] <TJ-> puxavida: nice one; was it the scsi device name, or the zfs name, that was at fault?
[18:52] <puxavida> assumed sda was the first ssd, when in this case it was the ubuntu flash drive installer.  using sdb/sdc worked and used part 1 bios boot, 2 /boot, 3  zfs on luks
[18:55] <wubwubtu> TJ-: correction: "pulseaudio --kill && pulseaudio --start" doesn't work anymore, so it doesn't matter if I add it on startup
[18:55] <wubwubtu> -_-
[18:57] <TJ-> wubwubtu: hmm, then something else has 'grabbed' the sound device I think, based on earlier research
[18:58] <TJ-> wubwubtu: I wonder if lsof might tell us
[18:59] <wubwubtu> lsof /dev/<soundcard> ?
[18:59] <TJ-> wubwubtu: try "lsof /dev/snd"
[19:00] <TJ-> wubwubtu: I see "pulseaudi" "alsa-sink" and "alsa-sour"
[19:01] <wubwubtu> https://apaste.info/PFal
[19:02] <freeroute> I'd suggest just dumping pulseaudio and going with ALSA+JACK like any sane person dealing with audio does... but that would probably break your Ubuntu ;)
[19:03] <TJ-> wubwubtu: is this a fresh install of 18.04 ?
[19:04] <wubwubtu> yep
[19:04] <wubwubtu> is this something hardware dependent though?
[19:05] <TJ-> wubwubtu: let's try the speaker test again. "speaker-test -Dfront:CARD=SB -c 2 -t wav"
[19:05] <Kon-> While we're here, is it possible to hide entries in pavu control? I see a lot of redundant virtual devices every time I adjust volume from my desktop
[19:06] <wubwubtu> TJ-: yeah that works
[19:06] <BenderRodriguez> hello
[19:07] <BenderRodriguez> I need help
[19:07] <BenderRodriguez> My mouse scroll wheel speed is very low
[19:07] <BenderRodriguez> and there doesn't seem to be an option to increase it
[19:07] <BenderRodriguez> how do I do this?
[19:07] <BenderRodriguez> the Mouse & Touchpad page does not show an option to alter the wheel scroll amount
[19:08] <wubwubtu> TJ-: but PA is still set to dummy output
[19:09] <xamithan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtk/+bug/124440
[19:09] <xamithan> You out of luck,  at least in gnome
[19:09] <TJ-> wubwubtu: right, so the issue seems to be PA not being able to figure out what ALSA is offering. Let's try the brute-force-and-ignorance approach and reinstall the packages in case some config has gone wrong. "sudo apt purge alsa-base pulseaudio && sudo apt install alsa-base pulseaudio"
[19:09] <BenderRodriguez> xamithan: sigh...and people say Linux Desktop is awesome
[19:10] <xamithan> It is,  if you don't use gnome that takes away features
[19:10] <BenderRodriguez> a 10 year old unresolved bug
[19:10] <BenderRodriguez> wtf?
[19:10] <wubwubtu> TJ-: will that not break my system?
[19:10] <TJ-> wubwubtu: more than it is right now?
[19:10] <freeroute> good question
[19:11] <TJ-> wubwubtu: all it does is remove and reinstall the same packages, ensuring the config files are the originals
[19:11] <wubwubtu> I mean, everything seems to work except audio
[19:12] <wubwubtu> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[19:12] <wubwubtu>   alsa-base* pulseaudio* pulseaudio-module-bluetooth* xubuntu-core* xubuntu-desktop*
[19:12] <wubwubtu> uh...
[19:12] <freeroute> lol
[19:13] <wubwubtu> according to that it will also remove my desktop
[19:14] <freeroute> who needs a working desktop when you can have working audio xD
[19:15] <TJ-> wubwubtu: nah, those are mostly meta-packages. to cope with that, after you've run the first command do "sudo apt install pulseaudio-module-bluetooth xubuntu-core xubuntu-desktop"
[19:15] <pi0> how do i troubleshoot acivation of network connection failed
[19:15] <TJ-> freeroute: if you've nothing constructive to offer please take it to #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:16] <TJ-> pi0: firstly, what reported that? where did you see it?
[19:16] <pi0> i believe its my wifi
[19:16] <pi0> i connected to school wifi
[19:16] <pi0> now its not allowing it to connect
[19:17] <wubwubtu> TJ-: so "sudo apt purge alsa-base pulseaudio && sudo apt install pulseaudio-module-bluetooth xubuntu-core xubuntu-desktop" in total?
[19:17] <TJ-> wubwubtu: Yes
[19:18] <pi0> TJ-: its from my wifi connection on gnome i assume
[19:18] <TJ-> pi0: There's some good verbose logging from Network Manager in /var/log/syslog that should help you figure out what is going on
[19:21] <wubwubtu> TJ-: done, so should I relogin now or reboot or?
[19:21] <timeless> on ubuntu systems that rely on apt-daily.timer to run apt.systemd.daily, is there any reason that APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval shouldn't be defined to a positive integer?
[19:21] <timeless> our 10gb root disks keep running out of space because /var/cache keeps filling up w/ old packages
[19:24] <lordcirth> timeless, 'autoclean' might not be enough, you might need 'clean'
[19:25] <timeless> lordcirth: yeah, i understand clean is considerably more aggressive
[19:25]  * timeless is trying to figure out where this file came from
[19:25] <timeless> we have a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02periodic which seems to have fairly standard content, but...
[19:25] <lordcirth> autoclean only removes stuff that you can't even download from repos anymore
[19:26] <pi0> hey TJ- no luck
[19:26] <TJ-> wubwubtu: logout ought to be sufficient, but reboot won't hurt to be sure
[19:26] <pi0> is there anything i should specifically look for?
[19:27] <wubwubtu> k here we go again, brb
[19:28] <TJ-> pi0: messages indicating some kind of problem; reading logs is an art but start from where it definitely failed and work backwards seeing what led up to it not connecting
[19:30]  * compdoc slaps Exagone313 around a bit with a large trout
[19:32] <Somniad> So. I installed lubuntu, and everything seemed to be going fine. Restarted. "unknown boot device"? OK, weird but selecting it booted to lubuntu. Restart to check on Windows and... Boots right to windows.
[19:32] <Somniad> So I put Windows at the bottom of the boot order and it's still doing it.
[19:32] <Somniad> Lubuntu is definitely installed, I just can't get to it for some reason.
[19:33] <TJ-> Somniad: is the boot method UEFI or BIOS?
[19:33] <Somniad> UEFI
[19:33] <Somniad> Should I change it?
[19:34] <TJ-> Somniad: no, but that means the default boot device is set in the firmware. You can check from Linux the BootOrder with "efibootmgr -v"
[19:34] <Somniad> Lemme boot up the live USB real quick
[19:35] <TJ-> Somniad: also be aware with Windows in UEFI mode, it may have enabled 'fastboot' so it goes immediately into Windows without consulting the boot menu/order
[19:35] <Somniad> Oh, so I should go figure out how to disable that then.
[19:36] <TJ-> Somniad: I understand it can be done from some shutdown/advanced menu options in Windows
[19:36] <Somniad> Interesting
[19:36] <Somniad> Uh
[19:36] <Somniad> Lemme take a picture of thud
[19:36] <Somniad> *this
[19:39] <Somniad> TJ-: https://imgur.com/a/lL17BuU
[19:39] <Somniad> Am I reading this wrong or is lubuntu supposed to be first in the order according to this
[19:40] <elias_a> Somniad: What is it that is supposed to be in that picture?
[19:40] <Somniad> HA
[19:40] <Somniad> Whoops.
[19:40] <TJ-> Somniad: I can't see anything; seems like imgur is relying on some 3rd party javascript to display images
[19:41] <bprompt> doubt it, can't see anything either
[19:41] <Somniad> My upload speed is actually just awful
[19:41] <TJ-> Ahhh! thanks; it has worked up to now :)
[19:41] <Somniad> And I closed out of it too fast somehow
[19:41] <Somniad> One sec lol sorry
[19:42] <Somniad> https://i.imgur.com/uUN0Z13.jpg
[19:42] <Somniad> This.
[19:43] <Somniad> I'm going to go try to disable fast boot, that seems likely the culprit
[19:43] <TJ-> Somniad: so 0000 (Ubuntu) isn't in the BootOrder, so never gets a look in
[19:44] <Somniad> Oh. I see! Uh, how do I bump it up?
[19:44] <TJ-> Somniad: use efibootmgr
[19:45] <Somniad> Lookin at the man page here.
[19:45] <Somniad> Not very helpful since I don't know what all this means lol
[19:45] <TJ-> Somniad: "efibootmgr --bootorder 0000,001D" would set Ubuntu first, Windows 2nd
[19:47] <SwaggerArch> google efibootmgr also look at youtube videos to understand what you need to know.. Question to ask is efibootmgr will correct boot problem
[19:48] <SwaggerArch> sure ubuntu has something in there wiki with same problem
[19:48] <Somniad> Different problem, how do I sudo on a live USB lol
[19:49] <SwaggerArch> efibootmgr  is  a  userspace  application  used  to  modify  the Intel Extensible Firmware
[19:49] <TJ-> Somniad: "sudo ..."
[19:49] <SwaggerArch>        Interface (EFI) Boot Manager.  This application  can  create  and  destroy  boot  entries,
[19:49] <SwaggerArch>        change the boot order, change the next running boot option, and more.
[19:49] <Somniad> TJ-: whew that's complicated stuff
[19:50] <TJ-> Somniad: you've got a computer that executes billions of instructions every second and you don't want 'complicated' ?
[19:50] <Somniad> I'm joking lol
[19:51] <Somniad> Sorry, sarcasm doesn't translate very well online
[19:51] <wubwubtu> TJ-: sounds like it worked. Such a weird bug that one...
[19:51] <wubwubtu> I backed up my /etc settings in git just in case
[19:52] <TJ-> wubwubtu: yes, I agree. But glad you have it sorted out
[19:52] <wubwubtu> me too, thanks a lot :)
[19:52] <TJ-> wubwubtu: if you've done that you can "git diff" and figure out what changed
[19:52] <TJ-> wubwubtu: and if that reveals something please tell us!
[19:52] <wubwubtu> yeah that's what I'm interested in too, this sounds like a pretty big bug to me
[19:53] <TJ-> wubwubtu: there might be something missing in the packages or install scripts
[19:53] <TJ-> wubwubtu: we don't see that issue very often so it must be system-specific
[19:54] <TJ-> wubwubtu: if you do see something in 'git diff' please report a bug against "pulseaudio" and show that
[19:54] <TJ-> !bug | wubwubtu
[19:54] <wubwubtu> yeah I think so too, I have a Asus C60M1-I and I think it's just not that common of a board to test on
[19:57] <wubwubtu> but damn it's such a sucky board... I can't even view 720p h264 youtube videos without them stuttering
[19:58] <lucidguy> TJ-:Can't figure it out.. if netplan is set to dhcp I can seem to overide the default gateway applied
[19:59] <Somniad> Cool, my computer is changing my boot order when I turn it on! Ugh.
[20:00] <Somniad> Changed it to 0000,001D and restarted and it went right to Windows. Hopped over to the live USB and checked and it's the order it was before.
[20:01] <TJ-> Somniad: sounds like a buggy firmware; we see those quite frequently where they lock to Windows
[20:02] <Somniad> "buggy"
[20:02] <Somniad> Sure.
[20:02] <TJ-> Somniad: there may be a way to do it from the Firmware's own setup
[20:02] <TJ-> Somniad: there have been a lot of problems with various poor UEFI skins around EDK 2, where the NVRAM variable storage doesn't behave as expected
[20:03] <Somniad> Alright, I guess that's reasonable enough.
[20:03] <TikityTik> Is there a way to have the virtual desktops not share the taskbar between them? i also don't want alt-tab to switch between the virtual desktops
[20:03] <Somniad> So how do I access the firmware setup then?
[20:05] <TJ-> Somniad: usually there's a key you press at power on; depends on the PC as to which.
[20:06] <Somniad> Oh that.
[20:06] <TJ-> Somniad: if you can also get to it by shutting down Windows in a certain way to enter Setup, or if you can get the GRUB boot-loader, there's a System Setup there that does the same thing
[20:06] <TikityTik> Also i'm getting a lot of UI lag with Ubuntu on my laptop, how can i eliminate the lag?
[20:06] <Somniad> If I could get to grub this would probably not be an issue
[20:06] <Somniad> :p
[20:07] <Somniad> But yeah, I'll grok around and see what I can find
[20:08] <TJ-> Somniad: it could also be caused by Windows having enabled FastBoot mode
[20:08] <TJ-> Somniad: that may be why the BootOrder doesn't stick
[20:09] <freeroute> wubwubtu: and it only took 3 hours of troubleshooting! Next time just don't forget my suggestion: Just use the best tool for the job.
[20:09] <freeroute> challas
[20:10] <t3rminal> Good evening
[20:12] <t3rminal> I've emptied one of my storage drives and when I run ls -lha it shows the drive is empty
[20:12] <TJ-> t3rminal: but what does "df -h" show?
[20:12] <t3rminal> however when I run df -h it shows the drive is 40% used
[20:13] <t3rminal> Hi TJ- is shows the drive is 40% used
[20:13] <TJ-> t3rminal: "sudo ls -l /proc/[1-9]*/fd | grep deleted "
[20:14] <TJ-> t3rminal: I would expect there are running processes that still have file handles open on that file-system
[20:14] <TJ-> t3rminal: files don't get deleted until all file-handles are closed, they just get unlinked
[20:14] <wubwubtu> TJ-: hey thanks once again. I gotta run but I'll try to pinpoint this bug in the future.
[20:16] <t3rminal> I ran that command TJ- and it's returned a lot of results
[20:18] <tgm4883> t3rminal: so that space is being used still because the files are still open. The easiest solution would be to reboot the box although you could stop the applications that are using those files
[20:19] <TJ-> t3rminal: you could further filter that output by grep-ing for the moutpoint path
[20:19] <TikityTik> I'm getting like 1 second lag for alt-tabbing in Ubuntu, any help? I already disabled animations
[20:19] <Somniad> Can't find any option in either Windows or the firmware to toggle fast boot
[20:20] <TikityTik> Somniad, are you trying to install Ubuntu on a computer?
[20:20] <TikityTik> what is the problem?
[20:21] <TJ-> Somniad: does this help? https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-update-winpc/turn-off-fast-startup/5362cd29-86ca-4b39-be60-718446f9d5f8
[20:21] <t3rminal> It's a home server so a quick reboot isn't an issue
[20:21] <Somniad> TikityTik: Er, a laptop, in particular. Something is (ressetting/causing to fail to save) my UEFI boot order. Trying to figure out what.
[20:21] <TikityTik> Somniad, are you dual booting with windows?
[20:22] <TJ-> Somniad: note they call it "fast startup" but we see it described as "fastboot" in firmware
[20:23] <Somniad> Yes. Also, this article has more info than others I've found! Thanks TJ-
[20:24] <TikityTik> Somniad, you're dual booting with windows?
[20:24] <timeless> lordcirth: so, update-notifier-common: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic covers my case for ubuntu...
[20:25] <Somniad> TikityTik: sorry, that's what the yes was for.
[20:25] <Somniad> That was silly and ambiguous
[20:26] <t3rminal> A reboot sorted it. Thanks TJ- & tgm4883
[20:26] <TikityTik> Somniad, disable fast startup in advanced power options for "powerlid options" or something like that
[20:26] <TikityTik> under windows
[20:26] <canori01> hey guys, I've configured netplan to do bonding on multiple systems. The strange thing is that they are all getting the same mac address on their bonds. Amy idea how these are generated?
[20:27] <TJ-> canori01: what's the backend? systemd-networkd?
[20:27] <Somniad> That's already what I'm trying to do!
[20:28] <canori01> yep, systemd-networkd
[20:29] <Somniad> TJ-: "Replace it with the wordHiberbootEnabled underName column.Data value must be zero (0) that will represent as the Fast Startup is turned off."
[20:29] <Somniad> This... Doesn't make sense
[20:30] <Somniad> I think it's just poorly worded and I just need to set it to 0.
[20:31] <TJ-> canori01: what mode are you operating the bond in?
[20:31] <canori01> TJ-: 802.3ad
[20:32] <TJ-> canori01: like this? http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/systemd-networkd-bonding.txt
[20:33] <canori01> TJ-: Interestingly, it didn't write any files. I think netplan just set it up dynamically
[20:33] <canori01> So bond0 on system A winds up with the same mac as bond0 on system B. The second they are both up, they fight each other
[20:34] <Somniad> Disabling fast boot didn't do it :/
[20:36] <Somniad> Hopping back into the live USB reveals that yeah, it's been reset again
[20:37] <TJ-> canori01: the systemd files are generated to /run/systemd/network/ at boot-time when using netplan
[20:37] <SwaggerArch> 
[20:37] <TJ-> canori01: check which TransmitHashPolicy is set in the .netdev file
[20:38] <TJ-> SwaggerArch: it is looking like the firmware doesn't want to play. You need to get into its config at power-on and see if that gives the option to set boot order
[20:38] <TJ-> ooops!
[20:38] <TJ-> darned tab-complete
[20:38] <canori01> TJ-: Found the files there. It's set to layer3+4
[20:38] <TJ-> Somniad: it is looking like the firmware doesn't want to play. You need to get into its config at power-on and see if that gives the option to set boot order
[20:39] <Somniad> TJ-: pretty sure that's the FIRST thing I tried. Putting Windows at the bottom doesn't help.
[20:40] <Somniad> Firmware isn't even recognizing lubuntu as bootable I don't think.
[20:41] <TJ-> canori01: is there anything in the networkd config setting a specific MAC address?
[20:41] <TJ-> Somniad: maybe that's the problem? there's an entry in the menu but it's faulty
[20:42] <TJ-> Somniad: are you using the LiveISO Try Ubuntu session with it at the moment?
[20:43] <canori01> TJ-: Just went through them all, but none of them are setting a mac there
[20:43] <Somniad> Yeah. I mean, if I put the USB above Windows in the boot order in the firmware config and put in the USB, that works fine just to be clear
[20:43] <TJ-> canori01: so we can assume due to the layer3+4 networkd is supposed to choose a MAC... I'm checking on that now
[20:44] <TJ-> Somniad: if you boot into Try Ubuntu session I can talk you through re-writing the bootloader in case that is the problem
[20:44] <Somniad> I was hoping it wouldn't come to this.
[20:44] <Somniad> Ugh. Okay. Not much of a choice.
[20:45] <TJ-> canori01: can you "/join #systemd" where we can focus on it
[20:45] <canori01> TJ-: Sure, just joined
[20:46] <Somniad> Ha! Sorry. I didn't see canori's name there.
[20:47] <TJ-> Somniad: :p
[20:47] <Somniad> Okay, anyway
[20:48] <Somniad> Quick question, what are the chances a windows update would break this?
[20:49] <TikityTik> @ the admins/mods, fglrx is discontinued i think, you should probably get rid of this or update it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD
[20:49] <TJ-> Somniad: no idea
[20:49] <Somniad> Oh well. I'll just write down the steps so I can do it again if I need.
[20:50] <TikityTik> is this safe to use? http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2018/05/install-mesa-18-0-4-ubuntu-18-04-lts/
[20:50] <TJ-> Somniad: If what I'm now thinking is the case, then I doubt it would be caused by Windows
[20:50] <Somniad> Oh, well that's... Good? But also bad.
[20:51] <TJ-> Somniad: I think that the entry in the firmware boot NVRAM for Boot0000 Ubuntu points to the wrong path or file. The other alternative is the firmware requires you to specifically TRUST that file via its setup
[20:51] <TJ-> Somniad: so that's 2 possible issues.
[20:51] <yao_ziyuan> i'm installing ubuntu on a newly bought 1TB SSD. do i need a swap partition on it?
[20:51] <yao_ziyuan> and how large should it be?
[20:51] <TJ-> Somniad: and so we don't waste time you should check the 2nd issue first :D
[20:51] <Somniad> Ha, alrighty.
[20:53] <TJ-> Somniad: basically, for some not entirely clear reason, for any non-Windows boot-loader, SecureBoot mode or not, some PCs/firmware now require you, the user, to specifically TRUST the bootloader file by using a file-chooser dialog to point to the file and TRUST
[20:54] <TJ-> Somniad: what is the make/model of the PC - I may be able to locate some info or a manual that details it
[20:56] <Somniad> TJ-: Acer Aspire V Nitro VN7-571G-50VG
[20:57] <yao_ziyuan> i'm installing ubuntu on a newly bought 1TB SSD. do i need a swap partition on it (and how large)? i have 32GB RAM.
[20:57] <TJ-> Somniad: hmmm, yes, we've seen the TRUST issue on several Acers recently
[20:57] <Wally> yao_ziyuan, not really. You'll get away with a SWAP file with that much ram
[20:59] <Somniad> Interesting. Well, I do hope that's it, because you're making it sound like the other possibility is significantly harder to fix lol
[20:59] <Wally> Trusting Acers? That's something that can't be possible :P
[20:59] <genii> yao_ziyuan: In the unlikely event you'll need more than 32G, the general rule of thumb is allocate for swap twice of what your RAM is
[21:01] <Wally> genii not really.
[21:01] <TJ-> Somniad: have you ensured it has the latest firmware, v1.17 ?
[21:01] <Richard_Cavell> I have Ubuntu 16.04 and I can't upgrade my version because of hardware incompatibility.  It has gcc 5.4.0.  Does anyone know how I can get a more recent version of gcc but without nuking gcc 5.4.0 on my system?
[21:01] <Wally> I mean in theory yes it's appropriate but hardly an "unlikely" event :P
[21:02] <Wally> Download a later one and set the --prefix on ./configure to gcc-x.x.x
[21:03] <Somniad> TJ-: if I'm being honest I'm not even sure how to check lol
[21:03] <TJ-> Somniad: the manual gives zero info on the Setup so you'll have to explore that
[21:03] <yao_ziyuan> Wally, genii: it's not likely to run out of ram. but a buggy program (such as a flash-based video player in the browser) can eat up all memory
[21:03] <Wally> yao_ziyuan so don't use flash player videos :P
[21:03] <yao_ziyuan> Wally, genii: so if i want to take that into account, how large a swap partition should i set up?
[21:04] <TJ-> Somniad: in the manual it says press F2 at power-on to enter the setup. From there you may see a "Security" page/tab, and on there, usually in the lower half, are options for trusting bootloaders. Presentation varies across different PCs so I cannot be more specific
[21:04] <Wally> You seriously want to waste 64GB on the possibility that a flash video will eat all 32GB of your RAM?
[21:04] <yao_ziyuan> Wally: video sites in china tend to use flash-based video players. no choice. there are plenty of movies there.
[21:04] <EriC^^> yao_ziyuan: you could always use a swap file instead of swap partition btw
[21:04] <Wally> Just don'
[21:04] <Wally> tt watch videos
[21:05] <EriC^^> !helpful | Wally
[21:05]  * Wally nods at EriC^^ 
[21:05] <yao_ziyuan> EriC^^: you mean, if i don't set up a swap partition, ubuntu will use a swap file anyway?
[21:05] <Wally> if you enable it yes.
[21:06] <Wally> Wouldn't it be more appropriate to have the kernel kill the buggy flash videos..
[21:06] <Somniad> TJ-: there is a security tab, but the word "trust" isn't even on it!
[21:06] <yao_ziyuan> Wally: is it enabled by default? if not, in the event that a buggy program eats up all memory, what will happen?
[21:06] <Wally> No.
[21:06] <EriC^^> yao_ziyuan: i mean you dont have to make a partition you can use a file for swap, it's the exact same thing
[21:06] <Wally> Have you had a buggy flash platform eat all 32GB of your RAM yet?
[21:06] <Somniad> Drone
[21:06] <Somniad> typo
[21:06] <Wally> I don't think flash can address any more than 4GB of RAM anyway
[21:06] <TJ-> Somniad: does it have Secure Boot option(s). On some, the TRUST bits don't show up unless SB is enabled. Weirdly, it doesn't need to have SB enabled once you've trusted the bootloader
[21:07] <Somniad> I see it actually! It's in a block of greyed out text
[21:07] <yao_ziyuan> Wally: it happened before. i used to use a mechanical internal hard drive as my ubuntu system disk. video sites in china CAN eat up all your memory, especially when playing tv series (i guess they're caching up video data).
[21:08] <Wally> Well you used a mechanical drive.
[21:08] <Wally> Not, a Solid State Disk.
[21:08] <Somniad> "Select an UEFI file as trusted" but I can't get to that option
[21:08] <Wally> Perhaps you should find a site that uses HTML5 as a source instead if you're really concerned. Flash is going to disappear soon anyway
[21:09] <TJ-> Somniad: YAY! so enable SB and you will be able to access that... you'll use the file-browser to navigate in the EFI System Partition to /EFI/ubuntu/ and trust any .efi files there (shimx64.efi, grubx64.efi, mmx64.efi, fwupdx65.efi)
[21:09] <yao_ziyuan> Wally: what will happen if i don't use a swap partition or swap file and a video site eats up all my memory?
[21:09] <Wally> Your system will probably just become unstable.
[21:09] <TJ-> Somniad: and once you've trusted those files, then you can disable SB again!!
[21:09] <TJ-> Somniad: this explains the issue. As I said at the beginning, PCs with buggy firmware
[21:10] <Wally> Wait SB breaks some EFI files? wow
[21:11] <yao_ziyuan> Wally: if ubuntu runs out of memory, will it freeze, restart, or something?
[21:11]  * Wally gives up
[21:15] <Somniad> Okay. This looks promising.
[21:16] <Sircle> WHich MTA is advised for commercial use?  I need most support for whatever MTA I use + featurefull MTA
[21:17] <EriC^^> yao_ziyuan: it'll get really slow and the kernel oom_killer will start trying to kill stuff that's using a lot of memory
[21:17] <Somniad> TJ-: thanks! It actually works! What a silly issue. I'm glad it's over with
[21:18] <OerHeks> Sircle, there is no single best, mutt and postfix are populair https://www.tecmint.com/best-mail-transfer-agents-mta-for-linux/
[21:18] <TJ-> Somniad: Yay!!
[21:19] <Sircle> OerHeks, k
[21:19] <Sircle> OerHeks,  postfix vs exim vs qmail?
[21:19] <TJ-> Somniad: the difficult part, especially remotely, is diagnosing. If I'd been in front of the PC it'd have taken less than a minute to get there
[21:19] <OerHeks> and featurefull .. don't install what you don't use
[21:20] <OerHeks> Sircle, i can give my opinion, but i will charge for commercial use
[21:20] <Sircle> OerHeks,  ok, which one/
[21:21] <Somniad> TJ-: Ha, yeah. Oh well. Thanks again!
[21:31] <yao_ziyuan> "Since 17.04 a swap file will be created by default instead of a swap partition on new Ubuntu installs. It's not opinion-based according to Canonical, it's a logical upgrade because of the emergence of SSDs."
[21:34] <OerHeks> on new installs standard, yes
[21:38] <phocean> Hi
[21:38] <phocean> I think something broke around the qt5-style-plugins package
[21:38] <yao_ziyuan> problem solved. no swap partition on ssd. ubuntu will automatically keep a swap file.
[21:38] <phocean> QT applications stopped respecting the gtk theme correctly
[21:39] <phocean> (I checked QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME)
[21:39] <phocean> I think something broke after an update
[21:40] <phocean> Verfiied with VirtualBox / Okular so far
[21:53] <de-facto> How can I install latest MeshLab? http://www.meshlab.net/
[21:53] <de-facto> the Ubuntu version is ancient...
[21:54] <en1gma> i just installed ubuntu server 18.04 on my raspberry pi3b and i am ssh over lan right now. im following this guide to setup the wifi over ssh. https://medium.com/a-swift-misadventure/how-to-setup-your-raspberry-pi-2-3-with-ubuntu-16-04-without-cables-headlessly-9e3eaad32c01
[21:54] <en1gma> step going wireless
[21:54] <en1gma> step 4*
[21:54] <en1gma> 'iwconfig' is not listing the onboard wifi
[21:54] <en1gma> why?
[21:55] <OerHeks> de-facto, ancient as in 2016 ?
[21:56] <en1gma> you talking to me?
[21:56] <compdoc> if 18.04 doesnt have drivers for your wifi, maybe 16.04 is better on the pi
[21:56] <en1gma> im not sure if 18.04 ubuntu server but 18.04 desktop did.
[21:57] <en1gma> i was thinking this server image disabled the wifi/bt
[21:57] <en1gma> you think it dont have the drivers?
[21:58] <de-facto> OerHeks, I am having problems with the COLLADA export being broken, so I was hoping its the old version "MeshLab 2016.12" vs the newer releases "MeshLab-20181018-beta" seen on https://github.com/cnr-isti-vclab/meshlab/releases
[21:59] <de-facto> Although their website links to https://uappexplorer.com/snap/ubuntu/meshlab which is "2016.12-2"
[21:59] <en1gma> "brcmfmac", "brcmutil" and "cfg80211" are loaded
[22:00] <OerHeks> yes, snap gives stable...
[22:00] <OerHeks> as seen on your own url
[22:00] <de-facto> it wont let me install it though
[22:00] <en1gma> OerHeks dont leave me man
[22:00] <de-facto> " cannot find signatures with metadata for snap"
[22:00] <en1gma> can you help me determine if it needs the wifi driver?
[22:01] <de-facto> en1gma, did you look at dmesg for the wifi stuff?
[22:01] <en1gma> i hadnt yet but i can now. lemme go over it
[22:02] <de-facto> i dont know exactly what it should look like though, i just guess the driver should tell you something there
[22:02] <en1gma> yep you are right. it looks like a broadcom fw wouldnt load
[22:02] <en1gma> ok onto google
[22:02] <en1gma> thanks
[22:03] <OerHeks> de-facto, that can happen when you download it first, does not happen with: sudo snap install meshlab
[22:05] <OerHeks> install --dangerous <snap> would fix that, but then updates are disabled
[22:06] <solsTiCe> hi. so something happened I don't know what. When I ssh into a box, gnome keyring does ask my passphrase for my key, it is not even ssh-agent, it just sh on the cli. why ?
[22:07] <de-facto> OerHeks, ok thanks, I guess I would have to go the hard route then and try to compile it when I want to try the more recent releases
[22:07] <solsTiCe> and all of a sudden all the gnome extension disapeared. I had to reboot
[22:10] <OerHeks> de-facto, or start a fresh 2018 ppa yourself
[22:10] <OerHeks> should not be that hard, uploading from git and build
[22:12] <de-facto> yeah or update the old debian rules
[22:18] <SwaggerArch> what is up with snap?  I thought this was to be a fast and more compiled packages in snap..
[22:19] <OerHeks> the 20181018 beta is not available as snap yet
[22:43] <salamanderrake> Is there a way to get the gui system to respect .bashrc especially inregards to system vars exported from it?
[22:43] <salamanderrake> Or, what is the proper way in the gui to set system variables?
[22:56] <de-facto> salamanderrake, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables
[22:56] <salamanderrake> Thank you.
[23:07] <user15382> stupid question: i pressed a function key to change the brightness
[23:07] <user15382> and now my backlight is much darker
[23:07] <user15382> and i can't get it to go back
[23:08] <user15382> i edited /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf and that didn't help
[23:09] <lastebill1> anyone running 4qwine on ubuntu?  I am doing first time setup and it asks me for console application settings, binary.  What am I supposed to write there?
[23:09] <user15382> i've added "acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=none" and that didn't help
[23:40] <karoshi> Hey - sorry this is a mac question but the terminals are the same, right? how do I output verbose mode in terminal to a file? Google isn't being much help. Using > output.txt , the file is created but even though the verbose output is displayed in terminal - only the regular (non-verbose) output is saved...
[23:52] <Tin_man> karoshi, what are you trying to save to a file? terminal output or ?? ??
[23:52] <karoshi> I got it - thx. Had to do 2>> output.txt
[23:53] <Tin_man> ok
[23:53] <karoshi> 'cause it was stderr
[23:53] <Tin_man> >> appends the > should also work as expected though.