[00:10] <bluenemo> I'm looking for a fast duplex document scanner that works well with ubuntu. preferably under 300-400 USD, I'm looking to buy a used model from ebay (so can be from 2016 or sth)
[00:10] <SimonKALI> how to get this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Professional_Certification
[00:11] <Krennic> hmm
[00:11] <bluenemo> I found the Fujitsu FI-6130 which looks ok but there is not a lot of documentation on if it runs well with Ubuntu Fujitsu FI-6130
[00:11] <bluenemo> SimonKALI, you may want to google LPIC - linux professional institute certificate
[00:11] <bluenemo> it is helpful in applications in europe, not sure about the US
[00:16] <SimonKALI> bluenemo, are you sure? is cosc a lot there
[00:18] <bluenemo> SimonKALI, costs?
[00:18] <bluenemo> SimonKALI, well, what really helps is a good github account.
[00:18] <bluenemo> tbh I run a Linux consulting company and I don't care at all about certificates. If somebody shows me a great github account I don't care where and how he studied ;)
[00:19] <bluenemo> also the first LPIC test is nonsense mostly.. two and three are kind of ok
[00:19] <bluenemo> its broad knowledge
[00:19] <SimonKALI> uff
[00:22] <SimonKALI> bluenemo, I gonna look for work in it soon
[00:22] <bluenemo> SimonKALI, what did you last work on regarding Linux?
[00:22] <SimonKALI> thats why I wanna do some certificates before
[00:23] <SimonKALI> I had my company
[00:24] <SimonKALI> now I work in another branch
[00:24] <SimonKALI> but I would like to go back to programming
[00:53] <FurretUber> Hi, I reported a bug and in the Launchpad report it's asked to test the -proposed kernel for Bionic and Cosmic. I tested the -proposed Bionic kernel (and it works) but I don't want to upgrade my system to test for Cosmic. Could I test for Cosmic using linux-signed-lowlatency-hwe-18.04-edge in Bionic?
[00:55] <Kazdax> netflix not running on my firefox browser
[00:55] <Kazdax> error code F7355
[00:56] <Kazdax> Netflix video player unavailable
[00:57] <sullivan> Hi, I'm having an issue with my display driver (amdgpu); I'm getting a blank screen after boot.  Could anyone help me troubleshoot please?
[00:58] <OerHeks> Kazdax, known issue, enable DRM and install libavcodec-extra https://askubuntu.com/questions/1030432/netflix-doesnt-work-since-installing-ubuntu-18-04
[01:10] <irssi> can i wipe .cache
[01:10] <Guest20312> its taking all my space
[01:11] <sullivan> Guest: Something you can try to free space is 'sudo apt autoclean'
[01:11] <sullivan> Guest: Also
[01:11] <Guest20312> but thats the package manager
[01:12] <sullivan> Guest: 'sudo apt autoremove', though this also removes older kernel versions.
[01:13] <sullivan> Guest: I can't recall if they touch .cache, but they'll certainly free up some space if you haven't run them periodically
[01:13] <Guest20312> yeah that did help a bit
[01:13] <Guest20312> 87% to 83%
[01:13] <Guest20312> but its mostly thunderbird and chrome thats the problme
[01:16] <en1gma> can someone help me get my rpi3b internal wifi up and running? im on ubuntu 18.04 server (currently its hooked up to internet through local lan by lan cord)
[01:16] <en1gma> dmesg does not look good
[01:17] <hggdh> Guest20312: not a good idea. You will lose a lot of data and settings
[01:18] <sullivan> Guest: According to google-fu, .cache holds config info for Chrome, so I'd be a bit leary about touching that folder unless you don't care about having to reconfigure Chrome
[01:18] <en1gma> https://pastebin.com/JpD2y9fr    my dmesg
[01:19] <en1gma> omg its working
[01:20] <en1gma> follow this guide https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-arm-108/raspberry-pi-3-b-wifi-nic-not-found-4175627137/
[01:23] <sullivan> Guest: I'd also recommend you poke around within Thunderbird and see if there's a bunch of old archived emails or something that's ballooning .cache, or if they're stuff you want to keep.  I have no idea if .cache is where Thunderbird stores its profile data, but it could be
[02:09] <virmaha> hello. While messing around with some packages on my ubuntu laptop, 1) I cannot hear any audio from video 2) I cannot connect to wifi!!
[02:13] <Guest20312> lol
[02:13] <Guest20312> good job virmaha
[02:14] <virmaha> Guest20312: lol. But how can I fix those issues :|
[02:17] <Guest20312> stop messing w packges?
[02:21] <sullivan> Hi!  I've been having issues with display drivers, and now I can't even boot a live USB!  I've tried both 18.04LTS and 18.10 in different flavors
[02:27] <Guest20312> sulivan perhaps ur card is too old?
[02:28] <Guest20312> that shouldnt happen
[02:29] <Vic2> Hello, I cannot install curl using 14.04 ... any suggestion please?  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fmPc3wMfxb/
[02:30] <hggdh> Vic2: try just running apt-get update
[02:30] <hggdh> s/just/first/
[02:30] <arooni> hey team; my syslog is filling up with stuff like Object St.Icon (0x5574fcd16d60), has been already deallocated - impossible to access to it. This might be caused  ;; on ubuntu 18.04  any idea on how to deal with it
[02:31] <Vic2> hmm, duh ... that's what I get when in a hurry, lol.  thanks hggdh
[02:31] <hggdh> Vic2: yw
[02:32] <Vic2> that solved it of course, thanks!!!
[02:33] <hggdh> arooni: this is gnome code, perhaps gnome-shell? You can open a bug on it: ubuntu-bug gnome-shell
[02:33] <arooni> hggdh: apparently someone did first
[02:33] <arooni> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1779907
[02:36] <hggdh> arooni: so... these messages seem to come from extensions. You will need to find which one it is, and open a bug on it (or report it upstream)
[02:39] <OerHeks>  lots of bugreports .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1747566 This bug was fixed in the package gnome-shell - 3.28.1-0ubuntu1
[02:40] <OerHeks> and one answer, open weather extention in tweaktool https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1779907
[03:13] <sullivan> Hi, I've been having display driver issues for a while now; I've just tried to boot a live image of 18.04, after getting the same behavior with 18.10.  Can anyone advise on how to troubleshoot this problem?
[03:17] <TimeDoctor> sullivan: what graphics card/chip do you have?
[03:18] <sullivan> AMD RX 480/Polaris 10
[03:18] <sullivan> TimeDoctor: display driver is amdgpu
[04:14] <HaMsTeRs> Hey people, may I know what's the best, quickest/fastest text editor your guys use for coding?
[04:18] <sullivan> HaMsTeRs: Probably something like Notepad+
[04:18] <Citizen-Se7en> HaMsTeRs: That's really subjective, but I'm a VIM guy, myself.  Ugh, I feel like I've really stepped into a can of worms.
[04:19]  * Citizen-Se7en looks for exit, stage left.
[04:21] <HaMsTeRs> thanks.   but would we miss the autocomplete thing from VSCODE
[04:23] <Citizen-Se7en> HaMsTeRs: VIM has autocomplete as well, though I'm not familiar on how extensive it is in VSCODE.
[05:14] <Net|> does anyone know how to setup a compile cloud ?
[05:14] <Net|> ide like to make things faster using networked servers, is there a virtual cloud ram setup somewhere ?
[05:15] <Net|> a compile farm
[05:31] <Net|> is there a way to add a cpu core to linux remotely over network ?
[05:32] <Net|> instead of using distcc
[05:36] <balsaq> hello ubuntu technicians
[06:16] <gambl0re> im using kubuntu 18.04, how do i upgrade python 2 to 3? isnt python 3 supposed to be installed by default?
[06:19] <bindi> gambl0re: 'python3'
[06:20] <bindi> is the command for python 3
[06:31] <acresearch> people i just installed ubuntu 18.04 and it seems it has python 3.6    but all my programs use 3.7   and it crashing them, how can i update my python to 3.7? i already did sudo apt update and full-upgrade but that did not work
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> !latest | acresearch
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> acresearch: if a package is crashing, consider filing a new !bug instead of a workaround
[08:13] <wendico> Hello, wendico here again installing ubuntu to more friends.
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> wendico: good idea
[08:14] <wendico> This time, my friend laptop does not boot live version i belive because of the graphic card or acpi. How can i boot live cd in "error mode" or "graphis save mode"? thank you very much
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | wendico
[08:17] <pi0> shoot i got a casio fx-cg50
[08:18] <pi0> lsusb shows it
[08:18] <pi0> but i cannot connect to it
[08:18] <wendico> lotuspsychje: thank you i try now
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> pi0: tail -f /var/log/syslog and connect your casio to ubuntu, see what errors you can catch
[08:21] <pi0> will do thank you
[08:32] <Edisto> after making changes to a conf file what do I type to refresh my kernel again? is it initfram something or other
[08:36] <Edisto> nevermind found it update-initramfs -u
[08:55] <wendico> <lotuspsychje
[09:00] <wendico> lotuspsychje: i made new usb drive coz i used unetbootin and dont know hot to activate nomodeset etc, in this las usb is very easy activate nomodeset noacpi. Thank you very much, ubuntu running
[09:01] <wendico> I love this channel! Thank you very much all ubuntu supporters
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> wendico: welcome
[09:03] <zzarr_> Hello!
[09:04] <zzarr_> I have a setup with 3 displays, it worked fine in 18.04
[09:04] <zzarr_> but after upgrading to 18.10 I can use only one display
[09:05] <zzarr_> it's a Lenovo laptop (t430s) in a docking station with 2 dvi displays connected
[09:05] <outZoNe> Sorry. there are Russian speakers ?
[09:05] <ducasse> !ru | outZoNe
[09:06] <outZoNe> thanks
[09:06] <zzarr_> during startup and shutdown I can see the ubuntu logo and the five dots on all diplays
[09:06] <tarzeau> zzarr_: nvidia driver?
[09:07] <zzarr_> intel graphics only
[09:11] <zzarr_> brb, I'll reboot
[09:17] <zzarr_> back
[09:17] <zzarr_> is it possible to revert to 18.04?
[09:17] <EriC^^> from 18.10 ?
[09:17] <zzarr_> yes
[09:18] <EriC^^> nope
[09:18] <zzarr_> dang
[09:18] <zzarr_> so basically reinstalling the machine
[09:19] <zzarr_> if I can't get the displays to work
[09:19] <ducasse> zzarr_: check if xrandr can see the displays
[09:19] <soee_> hi, are there some libs in repo that allows ot convert CSV => XLS ?
[09:19] <j__> wanna make auto login on lubuntu 18
[09:19] <j__> any tips?
[09:19] <zzarr_> xrandr sees the displays
[09:20] <j__> arandr gives a visual application to configure your displays
[09:20] <j__> apt install xrandr
[09:20] <j__> arandr*
[09:20] <SimonNL> j__: login window settings ?
[09:21] <SimonNL> thats where that is in mint
[09:22] <zzarr_> I get "XRandR returned error code 1: xrandr: Configure crtc 1 failed"
[09:23] <j__> SimonNL: nah, lubuntu doesnt have that
[09:23] <j__> actually, lemme apt-cache search it
[09:24] <SimonNL> maybe some other place where system settings are handled
[09:26] <j__> hahaha, yeah but someone here usually knows where
[09:27] <Kilos> greetings guys and gals
[09:27] <Kilos> i have an interesting problem
[09:27] <ducasse> j__: try a web search for 'lubuntu autologin', turns up lots of results
[09:28] <Kilos> another lady wants to try kubuntu 18.04 from a flash drive but it cannot boot because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1521173
[09:28] <Kilos> can anyone help me please?
[09:29] <Kilos> how would one edit /etc/default/grub on install media
[09:30] <Kilos> the laptop is an HP pavilion
[09:31] <j__> ducasse: Hi Long Time! yeah i did that, wasnt working... why i am here
[09:31] <hateball> Kilos: you can edit the grub boot while live-booting
[09:32] <Kilos> you need to reboot afterwards anyway so then the edit is lost
[09:32] <ducasse> j__: https://askubuntu.com/questions/967837/how-to-enable-autologin-on-lubuntu-16-04-lts-lightdm/967838
[09:32] <hateball> Kilos: as well as after install, just hold shift to get into grub and edit the boot-line, then once you're in make it permanent in /etc/default/grub
[09:33] <Kilos> ty hateball  let me go try that
[09:33] <victorh> hi guys. I'm running a server with a pcie solid state disk and it's getting killed by the pcie_aspm (or at least thats what i think). now i'm trying to edit the pcie_aspm to set to performance, but no matter what i try it still says default when i look up /sys/modules/pcie_aspm/parameter/policy
[09:34] <zzarr_> why are there 2 shades of gray in arandr's background?
[09:35] <zzarr_> is the smaller rectangle the max size?
[09:35] <victorh> i added this to the default grub script: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="pcie_aspm=performance" *sorry for the caps but that's how its in there ^^
[09:36] <victorh> anyone ideas?
[09:38] <hateball> victorh: did you also rebuild grub cfg?
[09:38] <victorh> hi hateball, of course. everytime changing something in grub, running update-grub
[09:39] <wendico> what is the command to add the full libre office package? ty
[09:39] <victorh> after some intense searching, i didn't find a lot of documentation on the pcie_aspm
[09:41] <hateball> victorh: alright, it's easy to forget is why I asked :)
[09:41] <hateball> victorh: sadly I do not know about your actual issue
[09:42] <victorh> haha no problem, it's the first thing i would ask
[09:43] <zzarr_> are there no updated drivers for displaylink?
[09:43] <Skidz> Hi all
[09:43] <zzarr_> (for 18.10)
[09:45] <victorh> hateball: i'll post something on the forum
[09:47] <ducasse> victorh: you can also try ##linux
[09:50] <victorh> ducasse: thanks! i'll have a look there as well!
[09:53] <kanupatar> Hi all, I am using Ubuntu 18.04, How can I enable the hibernate option (suspend to disk) ? I tried many blogs but not successful
[09:55] <zzarr_> I think the docking station have displaylink USB->HDMI chips
[09:58] <MalMen> hi
[09:58] <MalMen> is this the right place to ask about bash
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> MalMen: we try to focus on ubuntu issues here
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> MalMen: see #bash or ##linux
[09:59] <MalMen> okay, I may try #bash thenm, thank you anyway *
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> kanupatar: gnome-tweak-tool has a hibernate option enable/disable on lid close
[10:01] <kanupatar> lotuspsychje: I am using a dell based desktop
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> kanupatar: can this help: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2018/05/add-hibernate-option-ubuntu-18-04/
[10:07] <akkonrad> is there a package that will show me indicator of the current sound? something like this: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0977/4240/products/il_fullxfull.1054777221_nym4.jpg?v=1527718941
[10:07] <akkonrad> ubuntu 16
[10:07] <akkonrad> 16.04
[10:07] <kanupatar> lotuspsychje: yes, yes. sysctl hibernate simply does suspend to ram
[10:18] <Skidz> I have a chromebook with 17.10 that functions fine but in 18.04 or 18.10 the keyboard does not work. Any ideas in what direction i should look?
[10:23] <TJ-> Skidz: in 17.10 determine how the keyboard connects (which bus, which driver) (use "dmesg") then compare with the other non-working versions
[10:24] <Skidz> TJ- OK, will do. Thx so far.
[10:25] <j__> ducasse: yeah that one worked
[10:25] <j__> Wanted it for gnome instead of lightdm but i will just use this one
[10:27] <nedR> hello my laptop is on a hardware reboot loop due to some hardware issue.. I took the HDD from that laptop and put it into another laptop. I booted using an ubuntu liveusb. When i try to mount rw the drive , i get the error "windows is hibernated refused to mount" How can i bypass this
[10:28] <j__> how about custom boot and shutdown splashscreens?
[10:29] <SimonNL> nedR: boot windows and disable fast start up an/or hibernation
[10:30] <nedR> SimonNL, Thanks for reply ... I dont think My original laptop will allow me to boot into windows 10. Can i boot into windows from this laptop?
[10:31] <SimonNL> don't think so
[10:31] <SimonNL> but you could try ( no idea if thats safe to do)
[10:32] <discovered> How can i get ubuntu for complete gnome environment ?
[10:34] <nedR> SimonNL, OK.. is there anyway to force ubuntu to mount the drive in rw mode
[10:34] <Ool>  discovered with a clic : https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[10:34] <TJ-> nedR: no, because Windows left the file-system in an inconsistent state
[10:35] <TJ-> nedR: when it hibernates there may be unwritten blocks still in the journal/log that haven't been committed, or in the hibernation memory image.
[10:36] <discovered> Ool, Is that all i need? does it has original gnome look and functionality?
[10:37] <nedR> TJ, ah this is a fine pickle...
[10:37] <SimonNL> nedR: read up about it on internet
[10:38] <TJ-> !info vanilla-gnome-desktop | discovered: you just need to install
[10:38] <nedR> SimonNL, ya i have been... All people suggesting booting into windows.. But for me that isn't an option..
[10:39] <TJ-> nedR: The only thing I can think of is to boot it in a virtual machine guest but I'm not sure how far it'd get until it choked; and there is no guarantee that wouldn't make things worse. You'd need to clone the windows image and test on the clone to be sure
[10:40] <TJ-> nedR: how about trying to fix the original hardware issue itself?
[10:40] <discovered> TJ-, Thanks ... I will have a look at it :)
[10:40] <nedR> i can't tile the window to half the screen.. why is that.. isn't that supported in 18.04 or is it an issue with the live usb
[10:42] <nedR> TJ-, ya i have been trying to fix the original hdd issue, but it seems to be in the motherboard... so wanted to backup and remove personal data before giving it to the nosy repair shops
[10:42] <nedR> *orignal hardware issue
[10:42] <TJ-> nedR: does Linux on that PC also have problems?
[10:43] <TJ-> nedR: might be easier to just buy a small cheap compatible blank HDD/SDD/whatever and stick that in it for sending to the repair centre; they don't need your OS or data if there is a hardware error
[10:44] <nedR> TJ- yes.. it lasts a couple minutes to seconds and then suddenly reboots... tried booting from usb. tried removing and reinserting ram, removing keyboard. using a charger from a different laptop , removing dvd drive, using different power outlets...
[10:45] <TJ-> nedR: thermal issue? what make/model is that?
[10:45] <nedR> not thermal issue... even after lying cold a whole day it reboots in 1-2 minutes
[10:46] <SimonNL> some solder point lose
[10:46] <nedR> its acer aspier 471g 2013, 3rd gen i3 ,
[10:46] <TJ-> nedR: and if you enter BIOS setup does it still reboot whilst just left there?
[10:46] <nedR> with nvidia optimus 620m
[10:46] <nedR> my nvidia is disabled btw
[10:46] <nedR> TJ- Hmm... i haven't tried too long in bios.. i left it for half an hour in grub menu.. and it didnt reboot tho
[10:47] <TJ-> nedR: that's telling of itself
[10:47] <FurretUber> Hi, I reported a bug and in the Launchpad report it's asked to test the -proposed kernel for Bionic and Cosmic. I tested the -proposed Bionic kernel (and it works) but I don't want to upgrade my system to test for Cosmic. Could I test for Cosmic using linux-signed-lowlatency-hwe-18.04-edge in Bionic?
[10:47] <nedR> the laptop battery is long been dead, and removed btw
[10:48] <discovered> what is the difference between gnome-session and vanilla-gnome-desktop?
[10:48] <nedR> TJ- ya it is .. but i dont know what it means.. couple days back i shared some of these symptoms here.. and some1 suggested that the 'cold reboot' was symptomatic of power regulator to cpu gone bad
[10:49] <nedR> i dont think it is a gpu issue, since it happens in terminal mode as well... but i think i first started noticing the issue while gaming...
[10:52] <TJ-> nedR: hmmm, power regulator is possible; the other issue I'd be thinking about is thermal issues having caused cracks in solder of the CPU or GPU. As it starts up and heats the cracks expand and suddenly there's no longer a circuit in some critical path.
[10:52] <TJ-> nedR: HOWEVER, if it can sit in BIOS or GRUB for a long time as you say, the thermal issue / cracked solder is less likely
[10:53] <TJ-> nedR: so that points to some device that an OS initialises that isn't used by BIOS/GRUB
[10:53] <TJ-> nedR: my first thought then would be Wifi network device, bluetooth possibly
[10:53] <TJ-> nedR: if the wifi is in a slot, as many are, it is possible to remove it and test
[10:54] <nedR> TJ- ah thats interesting.. but i booted into ubuntu recovery mode.. Does that talk to wifi/bluetooth module?
[10:54] <nedR> yes it is removable.. i can try it
[10:54] <nedR> in ubuntu recovery mode also it rebooted..
[10:54] <TJ-> nedR: I'm not sure, but I doubt it does, I'm not even sure if it would try to load the wifi driver in that mode
[10:55] <TJ-> nedR: if you can get to recovery mode we can do some tests to identify this if you like
[10:56] <nedR> TJ- wow ok thanks...  i will reassemble laptop without hdd and wifi and get back to you...
[10:57] <TJ-> nedR: if you get to recovery, do this "lspci -nnk -d ::280" which should list just the wifi device and show which kernel driver it uses, and if one is currently loaded "Kernel driver in use: XXXXX"
[10:57] <nedR> TJ,since no hdd booting from ubuntu livecd is fine i guess...
[10:58] <nedR> TJ, i am planning to unplug the wifi module since i already have the laptop open anwyay tho
[10:58] <TJ-> nedR: if a driver isn't in use at that point you could test if loading the driver (and therefore initialising the wifi device) triggers the fault. That output will list "Kernel modules: XXXX" so you can do "modprobe XXXX" and continue using the PC, see if it fails
[10:58] <TJ-> nedR: OK, well, good luck :)
[11:12] <charnel> How can I launch a desktop application from remote server ? The application is a server and has to be running all the tim.e
[11:12] <rainbowtux> hi all, dpkg --configure -a hangs and i cannot find out why... debug shows as last line: D000001: deferred_configure updating conffiles
[11:12] <rainbowtux> any ideas?
[11:16] <TJ-> charnel: "desktop application" and "server" don't usually go together; you'll need to explain more
[11:17] <TJ-> rainbowtux: see "dpkg -Dh" and use that to get more debug info
[11:17] <charnel> TJ: YEah I know but I need a server to run the encrify service. Which requires GUI.
[11:18] <TJ-> charnel: you'd need to install the xserver and presumably use the dummy video driver then
[11:20] <charnel> TJ: Thanks for the reply, I installed ubuntu desktop (I know I am asking for too much) But I need to make sure that the application is running after I log out (I am using ssh -XY .... )
[11:20] <nedR> TJ-, ok seems my laptop doesn't want to boot from my ubuntu 14.04 livecd (the fact taht it turned yellow might have something to do with it) .. ok i gotta use this usb drive..
[11:20] <nedR> will brb after i try booting into it
[11:25] <discovered> i have installed vanila-gnome-desktop . But i see some duplicate item in menu list now !
[11:25] <TJ-> charnel: charnel XPRA may help: see https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/132056/linux-ssh-launching-gui-application-and-leaving-it-running
[11:52] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:53] <kusmario> Good morning
[11:53] <nedr> TJ- hi its me.. nedr.. from mobile webchat
[11:53] <nedr> Booted in usb.. so far no reboots last 20 mins or so
[11:55] <nedr> TJ- So it seems hdd, or wifi module or touchpad is issue since those not connected!!!
[11:56] <nedr> Ok i will try reconnecting those 1 by 1 and see results.. damn ..webirc on mobile is a nightmare
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> discovered: what items?
[11:59] <nedr> Laptop is superhot . Still didnt restart.. guess can rule out thermal once and for all
[12:05] <discovered> lotuspsychje, Logs, Characters
[12:06] <discovered> Calculator too
[12:07] <nedr> TJ- Reconnected wifi module.. almost instant restart... Retrying .. and seeing
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> discovered: perhaps its because of snaps vs vanilla gnome classic packages?
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> discovered: some packages on 18.04 now comes by default snaps
[12:09] <discovered> I don't know, I just wanted to have complete gnome looks and functionality. How do i remove those duplicate package?
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> discovered: lets investigate why first, can you make a screenshot for us?
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> discovered: maybe check process monitor to see if they are snaps or apt packages?
[12:12] <discovered> http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1542888686.png, http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1542888737.png lotuspsychje
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> discovered: okay, tnx can you open the 2 different calculators please and check the system process monitor
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> discovered: this guy seems to have uninstalled one: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1048104/two-calculators-in-menu
[12:16] <discovered> lotuspsychje, http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1542889005.png
[12:17] <discovered> dbus-daemon has two process too
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> yeah i see it
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> somethings not right indeed
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> discovered: did you reboot yet after the vanilla install?
[12:18] <discovered> yes. I did
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> hmmz
[12:20] <discovered> in activity view "system monitor" also has two menu ...
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> discovered: im out of ideas on this one, maybe someone else can have a look
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> i never played alot with classic gnome
[12:21] <discovered> What i know ubuntu now use gnome-shell but only with some customization ....
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> discovered: maybe take a look in your gnome main menu?
[12:22] <discovered> in Application it is one "System Monitor"
[12:23] <discovered> lotuspsychje, http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1542889394.png
[12:27] <discovered> lotuspsychje, One has a snapstore calculator ! Named Gnome Calculator too
[12:35] <glitchd> hello all
[12:36] <glitchd> looking for a bit of assistance, i have 18.04.1 installed with xubuntu-desktop.
[12:36] <glitchd> im having a problem with disk space
[12:36] <glitchd> my free space is filling with me doing nothing
[12:37] <discovered> A bit confused how two application can be installed : http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1542890190.png
[12:37] <glitchd> my hard disk is filling by itself
[12:38] <surrounder> glitchd: so find out where exactly it's filling up?
[12:39] <surrounder> ow left already
[12:46] <nekowaiidesu> Any obvious reason why I may get "bash: ./tdm_update.linux: No such file or directory
[12:46] <nekowaiidesu> "
[12:46] <nekowaiidesu> when that file definitely exists.. the autocomplete even works
[12:49] <ioria> nekowaiidesu, what kind of file is that ?  file <path>
[12:49] <nekowaiidesu> i used chmod +x on that file.. which gave no errors, I can see it has executable tab with ls... but I can't run it?
[12:49] <nekowaiidesu> It's an installer for "The Dark Mod"
[12:49] <ioria> nekowaiidesu,  file <path>  and paste here
[12:50] <outZoNe> ls
[12:50] <nekowaiidesu>  /home/desu/tdm/tdm_update.linux
[12:51] <surrounder> nekowaiidesu: put file in front of that
[12:51] <ioria> nekowaiidesu,  not ls,  file  <path>
[12:52] <nekowaiidesu> Oh, my bad. Misunderstood
[12:52] <nekowaiidesu> /home/desu/tdm/tdm_update.linux: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (GNU/Linux), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, BuildID[sha1]=5a5b6e564c4e4cdc0d9d7a2f368400d84e04275c, not stripped
[12:52] <ioria> nekowaiidesu,  32-bit
[12:53] <ioria> nekowaiidesu,  you maybe lack 32bit lib suport
[13:07] <HaMsTeRs> Lagging
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> discovered: like i said, one of them could be snap
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> discovered: in software centre you should be able to see if its an apt package or a snap
[13:24] <discovered> lotuspsychje, snap is more updated package?
[13:39] <CoolerZ> i am trying to use selenium and it requires chromedriver executable file to be in the PATH
[13:39] <discovered> lotuspsychje, I just used the snap to remove those duplicate package!
[13:39] <CoolerZ> when i do "which chromedriver" i don't get any output
[13:44] <Laban> Hello!
[13:45] <Laban> What would you say is the preferred way to mount? I have a folder shared over NFS that I want in multiple locations on my machine. Should I a) mount the share over NFS once then do bind-mounts locally? or b) do multiple NFS-mounts?
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> discovered: so you fixxed it now?
[13:46] <discovered> Yes... i did !
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> !yay | discovered
[13:47] <discovered> first time i hear about snap hehe
[13:50] <geirha> CoolerZ: add the correct directory to PATH in .profile (not .bashrc)
[13:51] <geirha> CoolerZ: and then you need to log in again for the changes to take effect
[13:52] <discovered> lotuspsychje, Most of time i get flinched when for system bell(like in terminal when you press backspace key)
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> discovered: thats when you hit the left side with backspace
[13:55] <discovered> lotuspsychje, right!
[13:55] <CoolerZ> geirha, already done all that
[13:55] <geirha> CoolerZ: including logging in again?
[13:55] <discovered> lotuspsychje, I like the Drip sound effect only
[13:59] <CoolerZ> geirha, fixed it, i had put ~ in the PATH instead of the /home/user/
[13:59] <CoolerZ> fixed
[13:59] <geirha> ~ works, you just have to keep it unquoted
[14:20] <jost> Hi! I'm running XUbuntu 18.04 in a corporate network environment (Windows Domain, DNS and so on). I frequently have the problem, that my machine sends out tons of DNS queries... this puts load on the CPU (maybe 1 core at 100%),  and on the network (sometimes 1.2 MB/s down and 800KB/s up). If I restart the dnsmasq-service, traffic and cpu load go down to normal levels again. What could be the reason for this? How to debug it?
[14:21] <TJ-> jost: what are the queries for?
[14:21]  * kszl mocskos haevy metal!
[14:22] <jost> TJ-: Just restarted dnsmasq, but I'll wait until it starts again, then I can tell
[14:22] <Younder> Not sure this belogngs in ubuntu. My printer is not working. It claims there is a paper jam. There isn't one, so I assume there is a failed sensor. Where do I go (web) to repair a printer myself?
[14:22] <TJ-> jost: I'm wondering if they're for external public hosts, are LAN host/service enquiries, and what process is demanding them
[14:23] <TJ-> Younder: give a good blow-out!
[14:23] <TJ-> Younder: possibly there is a scrap, or paper dust, confusing the sensor(s)
[14:23] <jost> Younder: try Youtube... They have many HowTo Videos on disassembling and fixing things like laptops, phones and so on
[14:24] <jost> Younder: But try what TJ- said first :-)
[14:24] <Younder> thx
[14:25] <TJ-> Younder: it is amazing what an air-compressor can fix
[14:36] <Kazdax> ubuntu seems faster than windows
[14:36] <Kazdax> like when it boots up and you get to the desktop ..it dosnt take to long before its workable ..windows takes a huge time to load
[14:36] <Kazdax> maybe i had more services and processes in boot sequence
[14:37] <lordcirth> Kazdax, that is why I originally switched, yes
[14:37] <Kazdax> ya same reason also i needed added security
[14:38] <Kazdax> so i am not wondering if a rootkit is in my system
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | Kazdax
[14:38] <atmark> Hello, I accidentally deleted the whole folder /etc/apparmor.d/ by mistake. How can I regenerate this apparmor profile? I tried dpkg-reconfigure apparmor but it didn't worked.
[14:42] <conall> Hi. I want to mount some nfs shares using /etc/fstab but I keep getting "mount.nfs network is unreachable". I have tried adding _netdev to the options list, as well as automounting, but for some reason, during boot, it does not have an effect
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> atmark: you could try apparmor purge, then reinstall, see if apt complains
[14:44] <Cheez> conall: i ended up writing systemd mount units for my nfs shares rather than using /etc/fstab
[14:45] <conall> Cheez: yes, I was thinking that maybe I would have to. Although the docs say that /etc/fstab is the prefered route
[14:45] <wendico> hello again, i finall installed ubuntu on my friend laptop with nomodeset option enabled, on live i had a good resolution but after install i only have small 640x???
[14:45] <Cheez> i put them in fstab and ended up in emergency mode when it couldn't mount them fast enough as the network wasn't ready
[14:45] <conall> Cheez: What should go under "Before/After/Wanted-By" etc?
[14:46] <wendico> if i go to configuration i have no resolution to choose, the options are empty, and of course i need a bigger resolution, windows doesnt even fit with such small resolution, what i can do? thank you
[14:46] <Cheez> conall: i don't have access to the server from here at work i'm afraid. i followed a tutorial i found on google for it
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> wendico: your grafix card chipset plz?
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> wendico: sudo lshw -C video
[14:55] <amitkm9204> Is there any optimization for battery power as also in 18.04 we are getting the more power consumption.
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> !info laptop-mode-tools | amitkm9204
[14:56] <amitkm9204> Ok ty
[14:57] <tonyt> Happy Thanksgiving
[15:05] <wendico> lotuspsychje: G86M Integrated laptop nvidia geforce 8600M GS
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> wendico: ubuntu-drivers list, shows what?
[15:06] <Kazdax> should i get third party drivers for my buntu
[15:06] <Kazdax> ubuntu
[15:06] <Kazdax> the graphic UI seems okay to me
[15:07] <Kazdax> dont know if getting a driver would help make it look better or perform faster
[15:07] <Kazdax> i dont play games on this machine
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> Kazdax: sudo lshw -C video will show wich driver enabled
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> Kazdax: at bottom behind driver=
[15:08] <Kazdax> its telling me how to use lshw
[15:08] <Kazdax> not showing the driver information
 In aditional drivers says im using X.org X Server but have the option to use NVIDIA binary driver version 340 (tested but not show suggested
[15:08] <Kazdax> maybe i typed something wrong
[15:09] <wendico> im not gonna play or use extenseive graphics on this laptop i prefer go on open source, just need more resolution, live mode gives good resolution
[15:09] <wendico> but after install and reboot go down to 640x480
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> wendico: thats because you have nomodeset still active, its reccomended to install an nvidia driver or use xorg without nomodeset
[15:10] <wendico> but without nomodeset i could not install, can i now disable nomodeset?
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> wendico: nomodeset is great, to enter a system when you normally cant or have black screen at boot
[15:11] <Kazdax> ya it has a nividia driver
[15:11] <Kazdax> it says VGA compatible controller
[15:11] <Kazdax> and says
[15:11] <Kazdax> vendor: NIVIDIA corporation
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> wendico: now you are in the system, you can install the nvidia driver or, fallback to nouveau
[15:12] <Kazdax> so it seems i dont need to install any futher graphical drivers i suppose
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> Kazdax: at bottom driver= ?
 ok i try install nvidia driver see what happends
[15:12] <Kazdax> well i did lshw ..not lshw -C
[15:12] <wendico> i dont understand "nouveau" english 3er language
[15:12] <Kazdax> that wasnt working
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> Kazdax: sudo lshw -C video
[15:13] <Kazdax> oo
[15:13] <Kazdax> my bad
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> !nouveau | wendico
[15:13] <Kazdax> ya thats it lotus
[15:13] <Kazdax> what i said about
[15:13] <Kazdax> vendor : NIVIDIA corporation
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> Kazdax: does your card show 'unclaimed' at the top?
[15:14] <Kazdax> product also Geforce GTS 450
[15:14] <wendico> how to "fallback to nouveau" (testing activating nvidia driver meanwhile)
[15:14] <Kazdax> no it dosnt
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> wendico: to fallback to nouveau: sudo apt purge nvidia*
[15:15] <Kazdax> it seems like i do have the original drivers
[15:15] <Kazdax> i dont want to get a third party one do I ?
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> Kazdax: what gives= ubuntu-drivers list plz?
[15:15] <Kazdax> lotus i dont understand
 thank you, so im installing nvidia right now, then reboot, if something goes wrong i sudo apt purge nvidia*   (is * misspell or should i write it also)
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> Kazdax: open a terminal and type: ubuntu-drivers list
[15:16] <Kazdax> nvidia-340
[15:16] <Kazdax> nvidia-driver-390
[15:16] <Xatenev> hello
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> wendico: nvidia* is correct
[15:16] <Xatenev> for some reason my `vim` is broken
[15:16] <Xatenev> when i type in vim it tells me nvim: comman dnot found
 thank you very much, owe u a beer if solved, driver installing still
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> Kazdax: if you have an nvidia driver installed, it should show driver=latency
[15:17] <Xatenev> when i type which vim it says: /usr/bin/vim, then ll /usr/bin | grep vim it says vim -> /etc/alternatives/vim*
[15:17] <Xatenev> and /etc/alternatives/vim seems to point to /usr/bin/vim.gtk
[15:17] <Kazdax> it says latency is zero
[15:17] <Xatenev> what is happening? :/
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> Kazdax: yes, that means you already using nvidia driver
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> Kazdax: if your graphics are performing well, you dont need other drivers
[15:21] <Xatenev> anyone?
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> !patience | Xatenev
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> Xatenev: we have users all over the world in different timezones, when they see your question they will help
[15:22] <Xatenev> okdoke
 marked NVIDIA driver, now stuck to blank screen,
[15:24] <wendico> any suggestion or start over
[15:24] <wendico> still Control+Alt+F1 bringing down console?
[15:25] <wendico> by blinking lights and all im almost sure ubuntu boots ok, just blank screen activating NVIDIA Driver
[15:25] <wendico> gonna try to plug external TV
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> wendico: try to fallback to nouveau: sudo apt purge nvidia*
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> wendico: wich ubuntu version was this again?
 cant try, cant see
[15:26] <maddawg2> sigh... ubuntu is honestly starting to piss me off with every realease the do
[15:26] <discovered> What tool is good to create bootable usb ubuntu?
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> maddawg2: we focus on ubuntu issues here
[15:26] <wendico> last 18.04 fully updated clean install
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> wendico: ok you could also try nvidia-driver-390 perhaps
[15:26] <maddawg2> i cant even install 18.04 correctly :-( everytime I try and I turn it on i get to the login screen and I login but just get a blank window
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> maddawg2: your graphics card chipset please?
[15:27] <maddawg2> lotuspsychje, it's a vm running on vmware Esxi 6.5
[15:27] <maddawg2> there is np presented physical GPU
[15:27] <maddawg2> to the guest
[15:28] <maddawg2> also now ALL my scripts need to change since how IP addresses are assigned has, once again, changed
[15:28] <maddawg2> now*
[15:29] <TJ-> maddawg2: IP address assignment? you mean DHCP?
[15:29] <maddawg2> TJ-, no assigning IP addresses to the NIC
[15:29] <maddawg2> no longer done through the interface file
[15:30] <TJ-> maddawg2: there are alternative methods, but none have been removed
[15:30] <TJ-> maddawg2: of course there can be, if you install ifupdown package
 ok, resumming, i cant install if nomodeset is disabled, live works correct resolution but after install small resolution. On aditional drivers i have only on nvidia driver enabling causes black screen even though i can guess everything is working, Control+Alt+f1 dont bring back console, i cant go back to purge nvidia coz i cant see, so i must install again?
[15:30] <TJ-> maddawg2: if you're authoring scripts that have to work cross-release, then they should be written to ensure the pre-requisites are installed first, before relying on commands
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> wendico: if you cant enter system, do the nomodeset trick again
[15:33] <wendico> so should i boot recovery and do nomodeset?
[15:35] <TwoNotes> Software Updater says updates are available totaling 166 MB.  But the Details window is empty.  wtf?
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | wendico
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> TwoNotes: your ubuntu version plz?
[15:36] <TwoNotes> 18.04 I think
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> TwoNotes: wich .iso did you download/try ?
 I know, u are helping so much people is difficult to get u. No modeset works for live and boot but i have to small resolution
[15:37] <TwoNotes> It was a whle ago - this has been upgraded from 16.04
[15:37] <wendico> i bootted recovery mode and im purging nvidia
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> TwoNotes: at early stages of 18.04 there was a but on update window not showing text progress
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> TwoNotes: *bug sorry
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> wendico: are you still in livemode? or did you actually install ubuntu already?
[15:39] <TwoNotes> Yes, it is 18.04.1 LTS Bionic Beaver
[15:39] <wendico> lol, installed 3 times allready
[15:39] <wendico> :)
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> wendico: thats not needed mate
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> TwoNotes: ok, try doing your updates and reboot
[15:40] <TwoNotes> lotuspsychje OK it is running
[15:42] <eden> what exactly does "recovery mode" disable? I'm troubleshooting why I currently can only boot via recovery mode (then default / continue)
[15:42] <eden> 18.10
[15:42] <wendico> i start over :)
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> wendico: on the installed ubuntu, you have 2 choices: or nvidia driver, or the opensource driver nouveau
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> wendico: if you get a black screen, use !nomodeset option
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> wendico: dont keep reinstalling ubuntu
[15:43] <wendico> how i use that option
[15:43] <Sir_Andrei> Hi people.
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> wendico: you said you used it before to enter your system?
[15:44] <lordcirth> !nomodeset
[15:44] <Sir_Andrei> I have a problem.
[15:45] <Sir_Andrei> Well, I'd burn an USB with Lubuntu 18.04.1 amd64
[15:45] <TJ-> wendico: sometimes you can avoid the issue by changing the GRUB boot-loader to start in text not graphical mode
[15:45] <Sir_Andrei> And on a Toshiba notebook I cannot boot it 'cause it doesn't recognize it.
[15:45] <rajrajraj> I have a machine with two ubuntu installed, one in sda1 and another one in sda3, the problem is I cannot get the grub menu to make a choice at the time of boot. please help. I have tried boot-repair, and update-grub(it lists the other ubuntu only)
[15:45] <eden> lordcirth whats up with !nomodeset vs nomodeset, I added nomodeset to my GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[15:45] <eden> but I did not add !nomodeset
[15:45] <Sir_Andrei> BIOS is Phoenix SecureBoot 1.90
[15:46] <lordcirth> eden, the ! is the bot command to display that help text^
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> TwoNotes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1072136
[15:46] <Sir_Andrei> SecureCore*
[15:46] <Sir_Andrei> Well, it's UEFI.
[15:46] <eden> lordcirth: thanks, were you answering me as to whats different with recoverymode?
[15:46] <lordcirth> eden, no, I was answering wendico
[15:47] <TwoNotes> lotuspsychje OK it should be fixed after this update then.
[15:47] <rajrajraj> i also need help with grub, eden would you have any clue
[15:48] <eden> rajrajraj: what help do you need? Unlikely but I can try
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> TwoNotes: yes, i presume
[15:48] <rajrajraj> eden:  i can not see the grub screen, I have two ubuntu unstalled
[15:48] <rajrajraj> sda1 and sda3, ubuntu 16.04 each
[15:48] <eden> rajrajraj, have you tried hitting escape while it starts?
[15:48] <rajrajraj> it by defaut starts with the one in sda3
[15:48] <rajrajraj> eden:  no i havent
[15:49] <eden> try that. for me it just boots unless I do that
[15:49] <rajrajraj> eden:  in my other machine it usually comed  by default
[15:49] <Sir_Andrei> It doesn't even appear in Boot config, if u know what i mean.
[15:50] <eden> I think Grub will appear automatically if you have multiple OS installed... to choose.
[15:50] <rajrajraj> i tried esc it just gives me that dell screen of boot options, not the grub screen
[15:50] <rajrajraj> eden:  it should but it isnt
[15:50] <eden> hmmm, that sounds like bios settings, you may need to hit escape just after its too late to trigger bios
[15:51] <rajrajraj> i did hit the esc it brought me to a different screen than the grub screen
[15:55] <RonaldsMazitis> hello, I have ubuntu 16.04 and my mouse sometimes stops working until system restart
[15:55] <RonaldsMazitis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-gnome3/+bug/1167097
[15:55] <RonaldsMazitis> found similar bug in gnome 3
[15:55] <RonaldsMazitis> I am currently using Openbox as alternative to gnome and kde
[15:56] <RonaldsMazitis> 4.4.0-131-generic #157-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jul 12 15:49:15 UTC 2018 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[15:57] <eden> so what confuses me is that recovery mode claims to just load basic services and drop me in command line. However, I am using it now as the only way to boot, and once I do it seems to load everything (not just basic services), fine.
[15:57] <eden> I just select recovery mode, then continue. And things work, otherwise it hangs on the ubuntu splash.
[15:58] <TJ-> eden: sounds like it is bypassing "friendly-recovery" mode
[15:58] <TJ-> eden: the difference between 'recovery' and 'default' modes is in the kernel cmomand-line
[15:59] <TJ-> eden: set in /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= (recovery) and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= (default)
[16:00] <eden> TJ: thanks thats helpful, so if I'm trying to troubleshoot the difference/fix normal boot.... I should look at that file?
[16:00] <eden> review that default perhaps?
[16:00] <akem> Hey.
[16:01] <RonaldsMazitis> hey how do I restart my mouse without restarting pc
[16:02] <zaggynl> Reseat the USB connector.
[16:02] <akem> Well unplugg or disconnect it if bluetooth then reconnect it?
[16:02] <Lupulo> RonaldsMazitis, reconnect the mouse
[16:02] <TJ-> RonaldsMazitis: you can use sysfs to remove the device and rescan the bus
[16:03] <RonaldsMazitis> Lupulo if that would be that easy
[16:04] <akem> Is it possible to download the full Ubuntu 17.10 online? Like the DVD sets of what's available through apt?
[16:05] <RonaldsMazitis> there is no sysfs
[16:05] <RonaldsMazitis> in my system
[16:05] <Lupulo> RonaldsMazitis, https://superuser.com/questions/141290/how-to-tell-x-org-to-reload-input-device-module-working-around-suspend-to-ram
[16:07] <RonaldsMazitis> nice lost mouse and keypad
[16:07] <RonaldsMazitis> with rmmod
[16:07] <RonaldsMazitis> what now
[16:08] <RonaldsMazitis> I mean
[16:08] <RonaldsMazitis> unable to found touchpad
[16:08] <eden> TJ: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""   and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"    is what I have now.... any ideas if these could be changed to more closely match recovery mode?
[16:08] <RonaldsMazitis> unable to found synaptics touchpad
[16:09] <RonaldsMazitis> Lupolo smart
[16:09] <RonaldsMazitis> :D
[16:09] <Lupulo> RonaldsMazitis, try to install gpm in console (not virtual)
[16:09] <RonaldsMazitis> what will that do
[16:09] <Lupulo> RonaldsMazitis, the mouse is there.
[16:09] <Lupulo> RonaldsMazitis, apt-get install RonaldsMazitis
[16:10] <Lupulo> apt-get install gpm
[16:10] <Lupulo> friend tip
[16:10] <wendico> sorry phonecall
[16:10] <RonaldsMazitis> are you trolling me
[16:10] <RonaldsMazitis> ?
[16:10] <Lupulo> the problem is in X
[16:10] <Lupulo> not RonaldsMazitis , try to install gpm,
[16:10] <RonaldsMazitis> anybody clarify that Lupolo is correct
[16:11] <RonaldsMazitis> I can't cause I can't google without mouse
[16:11] <Lupulo> RonaldsMazitis, you could use elinks out of X, with gpm mouse
[16:11] <ioria> RonaldsMazitis, whatever module you removed, just sudo modprobe  <module>
[16:12] <TJ-> RonaldsMazitis: find the node for the device under /sys/bus/usb/devices/ then do, for the device bus id, e.g. "echo 1 > /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-4/remove" but to rescan you'd need a small helper program, as detailed by Alan Stern here https://marc.info/?l=linux-usb&m=121459435621262&w=2
[16:12] <wendico> i read about all you say and come back with the questions thank u all: TJ-  Lordcirth   lotuspsychje
[16:12] <ioria> RonaldsMazitis, sudo modprobe psmouse   (e.g.)
[16:12] <wendico> ringbell, some visit, bb asap
[16:13] <RonaldsMazitis> okay touchpad is back
[16:13] <RonaldsMazitis> mouse not
[16:13] <RonaldsMazitis> :<
[16:14] <RonaldsMazitis> that small c
[16:14] <RonaldsMazitis> program will do something
[16:14] <TJ-> RonaldsMazitis: the missing info is exactly which device file you're supposed to run it on!
[16:16] <eden> weird I just removed quite and splash from my GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT and when I booted I got no text (just purple) then splash... shouldn't that drive it?
[16:16] <RonaldsMazitis> ~/mouse$ ./a.out
[16:16] <RonaldsMazitis> Usage: usbreset device-filename
[16:16] <eden> is there some other grub config then /etc/default/grub
[16:18] <RonaldsMazitis> what I have to to do with Usage?
[16:19] <RonaldsMazitis> if (argc != 2) {
[16:19] <RonaldsMazitis> is what happens
[16:19] <RonaldsMazitis> from the code
[16:19] <BluesKaj> eden, you just have to set your GRUB_TIMEOUT=X, with the number of secs you want it to appear, in /etc/default/grub
[16:20] <TJ-> RonaldsMazitis: oh, it required usbfs, which would present devices at /proc/bus/usb which is deprecated and rarely available
[16:20] <RonaldsMazitis> this problem never happened in past
[16:21] <RonaldsMazitis> it almosts makes me think I have to upgrade everything to 18.04
[16:21] <coz_> happy thanksgiving for those that celebrate
[16:21] <RonaldsMazitis> happy :>
[16:22] <coz_> ")
[16:22] <RonaldsMazitis> (I am from Europe, no idea what You celebrate)
[16:22] <TJ-> RonaldsMazitis: well we're talking about a workaround, not a solution.
[16:22] <coz_> RonaldsMazitis, oh ok
[16:22] <RonaldsMazitis> It was 100 years for my country 4 days ago
[16:23] <RonaldsMazitis> we did not get to news outlets worldwide
[16:23] <RonaldsMazitis> somehow
[16:23] <coz_> RonaldsMazitis,  excellent,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving_(United_States)
[16:24] <RonaldsMazitis> give me smaller version
[16:24] <RonaldsMazitis> I have idea that this had something to do with native americans
[16:25] <coz_> RonaldsMazitis, food day :)
[16:26] <RonaldsMazitis> yeah but there was part about killing
[16:26] <RonaldsMazitis> lol
[16:26] <RonaldsMazitis> I don't even care, I need my mouse to restart lol
[16:26] <coz_> :)
[16:27] <RonaldsMazitis> Have You listened to rapper Nas song called "Poison"
[16:27] <RonaldsMazitis> ?
[16:27] <coz_> no but maybe better in #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:29] <Lupulo> RonaldsMazitis, https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/mouse-mousekeys.html.en
[16:30] <akemAcer> For Debian it was possible to download several DVDs of what was available on apt main repository, DVD set of 8 or 9 ISOs or something, is there something like that for Ubuntu, so i could have offline install of most of the important packages?
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> akemAcer: you can use apt to download your favorite packages .deb if you like
[16:33] <RonaldsMazitis> Lupolo I'm not using gnome
[16:33] <RonaldsMazitis> I feel like gnome updates made my mouse fail
[16:35] <RonaldsMazitis> touchpad works
[16:35] <RonaldsMazitis> just the mouse
[16:35] <akemAcer> lotuspsychje, i can download them with all the dependencies and then if i do a fresh offline install use thoses packages?
[16:35] <RonaldsMazitis> I can easily plug it in the other pc and it works
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> akemAcer: but this system also makes that your .debs get outdated and its reccomended to keep your system up to date
[16:36] <akemAcer> lotuspsychje, yes i know but i would like to keep an oldversion snapshots of the packages.
[16:37] <akemAcer> lotuspsychje, i mean i still use Windows 7 on my computers too...
[16:37] <akemAcer> I'll try to digg this, thanks lotuspsychje.
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> akemAcer: the way i do it is: sudo apt install program1 program2 program3 and you get a fast new fresh installed system
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> !info apt-offline | akemAcer see also
[16:38] <Squarism> what is ther prefered way of keeping a fresh install of java 11 on ubuntu?
[16:38] <Squarism> openjdk
[16:41] <akemAcer> Cool, i didn't know about apt-offline.
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> Squarism: can this help you? https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-java-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[16:55] <Richard_Cavell> I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 64-bit.  gcc 5.4.0 is installed, but I want to get a more recent version of gcc.  How do I do that?
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> !latest | Richard_Cavell
[16:56] <gambl0r3> hi guys im about to do a fresh install of kubuntu. what is the best way to install it onto my sd?
[16:57] <black_mamba> What is the difference between binutils-powerpc-linux-gnu and binutils-powerpc-linux-gnuspe what is this spe target?
[16:57] <hggdh> Richard_Cavell: you probably would be better off by using containers (lxd) or KVM. Usually the gcc toolkit impose some limitations on changing gcc's version
[16:58] <gambl0r3> should i install kubuntu using the entire disk, entire disk and setup LVM, entire disk and use encrypted LVM?
[17:04] <Richard_Cavell> hggdh, presently I am using VirtualBox to run 18.04  (I can't run 18.04 on this hardware but 16.04 works)
[17:06] <Younder> I got a printer working. Now I can't see the network scanner. Any ideas?
[17:06] <Younder> sorry print scanner, on a wireless network
[17:08] <Younder> An Epson PX730WD
[17:09] <Younder> Richard_Cavell, why cant you run 18.04?
[17:12] <Richard_Cavell> Younder, Because if I upgrade my distro I have this problem: https://mattgadient.com/2016/07/11/linux-dvd-images-and-how-to-for-32-bit-efi-macs-late-2006-models/
[17:13] <RonaldsMazitis> I started dist upgrade and it could no upgrade mysql
[17:13] <RonaldsMazitis> daamn again
[17:13] <gambl0r3> hi guys. should in install kubuntu with or without LVM?
[17:13] <RonaldsMazitis> now I have plenty of space, like 150 gb
[17:13] <Younder> Seriously 18.04 is a bit uninspired. Like a Ubuntu version of Cent Os. I fail to see where it would fail. EXCEPT if you are running a 32 bit computer.
[17:15] <Richard_Cavell> Younder, Well, I am.
[17:15] <RonaldsMazitis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Drm74c6ZPr/
[17:15] <RonaldsMazitis> ?
[17:15] <RonaldsMazitis> what can I do?
[17:16] <RonaldsMazitis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QC8bvrgPgW/
[17:20] <Younder> Never actually encountered a mysql fail before. Did you try the mysql support?
[17:22] <eelstrebor> is there a better way to do bcache instead of all this cli configuration?
[17:22] <Younder> apt-cache
[17:24] <lordcirth> eelstrebor, not that I'm aware of.  Most cool things require command line usage.  By the time they get a GUI, someone makes something cooler :P
[17:26] <Younder> sorry apt-cacher-ng
[17:27] <Younder> My greatest discovery. It caches apt request for my entire cluster
[17:28] <eelstrebor> lordcirth, the more i read the less inclined i am to implement this  even though it would be nice to get better performance
[17:28] <lordcirth> Younder, yeah, it's good.  Also, squid-deb-proxy is good if you don't want apt to break if the cache server isn't available (like on home wifi)
[17:29] <eelstrebor> if only 4 TB SSD's weren't so expensive!
[17:29] <lordcirth> eelstrebor, lol.  What is your current setup?
[17:29] <eelstrebor> lordcirth, i'm using an ssd for the os partitions and a hdd for the /home
[17:30] <eelstrebor> the ssd is 120 GB and the HDD is 2TB
[17:30] <lordcirth> I am considering buying 3x500GB SSDs on black friday and doing zfs raidz
[17:31] <eelstrebor> i tried raid a few years ago and found it just made my life too complicated
[17:31] <eelstrebor> my mobos are raid capable though
[17:37] <Younder> lordcirth, like one of NVIDIA's personal supercomputers. In raid 0 on a bus taht can handle it it it gives a real boost.
[17:38] <lordcirth> Younder, not really concerned with boosting speed even more, just lots of SSD with fault tolerance
[17:39] <Younder> lordcirth, it triples the failure risk so you had better back up.
[17:39] <lordcirth> Younder, if I were doing raid0, yes, but I said raidz
[17:40] <Younder> lordcirth, I'd use raid 5
[17:40] <lordcirth> raidz is essentially raid5, but better
[17:40] <gambl0r3> i still dont understand how i will benefit by using LVM if i dont plan on resizing my partition in the future
[17:41] <Younder> gambl0r3, who are you refering to?
[17:41] <gambl0r3> everyone
[17:42] <gambl0r3> it seems like LVM just adds more complexity
[17:42] <Younder> gambl0r3, plan on resizing your partions. Log is always to small ;)
[17:42] <gambl0r3> why would i need to resize my partition if i give it full disk space for os?
[17:43] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, did someone recommend that you use LVM?  What's your usecase?
[17:43] <gambl0r3> lordcirth, thats what im trying to figure out
[17:44] <gambl0r3> i dont plan on having multiple partitions. dont plan on resizing. so do i need lvm?
[17:44] <lordcirth> If you are going to make a single / partition covering a whole drive, you probably don't need LVM
[17:44] <Younder> gambl0r3, the OS needs max 50 Gb. It makes sense to isolate home and /usr/local for cackup reasons. and /tmp and /var for prevention of DOS/DDOS attacks.
[17:44] <amikrop> snap store has completely replaced software center (debs)?  running older version so I don't know yet
[17:44] <gambl0r3> lordcirth, what if one day i decide i want to dual boot windows. i would then need to create two partitions. can i do this without lvm?
[17:45] <en1gma> can someone help me resolve some issues building from source? https://pastebin.com/SZFLTRuj
[17:45] <lordcirth> amikrop, no, snap only has a few things
[17:45] <en1gma> im on ubuntu amd64 desktop
[17:45] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, windows won't work with LVM anyway
[17:45] <gambl0r3> what do you mean?
[17:45] <amikrop> lordcirth: some packages are available in software center *and* snap store?
[17:45] <amikrop> both
[17:45] <gambl0r3> i wouldnt be able to install windows if i created a new partition using lvm?
[17:45] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, do you know what LVM does?
[17:45] <Younder> en1gma, I would use a virtual machine, for everything except games
[17:46] <gambl0r3> logical volume manager. its manages your volumes
[17:46] <Younder> duh
[17:46] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, LV's are logical partitions that you can put inside LVM partitions.
[17:46] <lordcirth> Windows cannot be installed to an LV, as it does not understand LVM
[17:46] <gambl0r3> logical partitions are different from regular partiions?
[17:47] <Younder> yes
[17:47] <en1gma> nunyer@4800mq:~/SoapySDR/build$ python3 -c "import sys; print(sys.path)"
[17:47] <en1gma> ['', '/usr/lib/python36.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.6', '/usr/lib/python3.6/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages']
[17:47] <en1gma> i think those need to be saying 3.7 not 3.6
[17:47] <gambl0r3> so even if i had lvm installed i still wouldnt be able to dual boot windwos?
[17:47] <pjs> Not sure what happened but after a reboot my mic and sound stopped working. Previously I've done what TJ recommended here: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html and it's been fine. This is Ubuntu 18.04 on Thinkpad X1C6
[17:47] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, you would need free space on the drive, not allocated to LVM, to install Windows.
[17:48] <gambl0r3> lordcirth, i see so i need to use some tool to divide my sd into two seperate partitions if i wanted to dual boot windows
[17:48] <Younder> gambl0r3, you can always dual boot windows, just be sure to install Windows first
[17:48] <gambl0r3> Younder, why is that?
[17:48] <lordcirth> You can do it the other way around, you just need to fix grub after
[17:49] <lordcirth> Windows will overwrite grub with it's own bootloader
[17:49] <gambl0r3> is that hard?
[17:49] <lordcirth> Not if you make a liveusb of Boot Repair beforehand, no
[17:49] <amikrop> Some packages are available in both snap store and software center?
[17:49] <Younder> Ubuntu has support for installing on a machine with windows installed, but not vis versa. It is not imposible to reverse this, but much more difficult
[17:49] <gambl0r3> boot repair for ubuntu?
[17:49] <lordcirth> If you accidentally do it and get stuck without a tool to fix it, it's kinda annoying
[17:49] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[17:50] <lordcirth> Or https://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair-cd/home/Home/
[17:50] <gambl0r3> lordcirth, seems simple enough
[17:51] <acos> Howdy.  What video card is better supported? Nvidia or AMD?
[17:51] <amikrop> I am asking cause, if they are, I wanted to know which source is preferable and why.
[17:51] <gambl0r3> but back to my original question. i need to create two seperate partitions for windows before i install ubuntu correct?
[17:51] <lordcirth> amikrop, I would use apt when possible
[17:52] <lordcirth> snaps take more space
[17:52] <gambl0r3> i cant create a logical partition using lvm
[17:52] <amikrop> ok thanks
[17:52] <gambl0r3> and use that for windows
[17:52] <Younder> acos, NVidia
[17:52] <lordcirth> snaps are mostly good for installing software that doesn't run on your version/distro
[17:52] <amikrop> I see
[17:52] <acos> Hmmm Younder thanks.
[17:52] <gambl0r3> am i correct in my understanding?
[17:52] <acos> What is the snap software?
[17:53] <acos> When did that add that junk?
[17:53] <acos> So used to just apt
[17:53] <Younder> acos, use 'ubuntu-devices auto' to install nvidia after ubuntu insted of nuvaux
[17:53] <amikrop> acos: https://snapcraft.io/
[17:53] <acos> Ohhh hmm ya I have to put a video card in this pc because it is using an embedded video device.
[17:54] <Younder> acos, also look into nvidia-docker.
[17:55] <acos> Ugh I dont want to do crazy stuff.  Just want drivers LOL
[17:55] <gambl0r3> hello?
[17:55] <gambl0r3> can i use gparted to create a new partition if i ever wanted to install windows?
[17:55] <acos> Since when did ubuntu become so crazy.  Gone are the days of normal pc use
[17:55] <tchakatak> gambl0r3: sure
[17:55] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/configure-uefigpt-based-hard-drive-partitions
[17:55] <Younder> Appart from docker support AMD works well to and on low end graphics cards are better on GPGPU tasks
[17:56] <lordcirth> acos, not sure what you mean
[17:56] <gambl0r3> ok im gonna remove lvm. thanks guys for the help
[17:56] <lordcirth> I use Ubuntu because I can have both "normal PC use" and do cool things
[17:56] <acos> Shouldn't have to use docker to run a dam video card LOL
[17:57] <tchakatak> lordcirth ?
[17:57] <Younder> you don't
[17:57] <acos> Good
[17:58] <lordcirth> GPU accel in docker is cool.  I have no use for it, but it's cool
[17:59] <Younder> For a guy like me, who runs CAD, Steam, Vivado (FPGA programming), a C++ platform... seperating the OS into parts makes sense to prevent them from interfering with each other
[17:59] <Younder> If your needs are simpler, don't bother
[18:03] <Younder> lordcirth, I use it for machine learning (DNN's)
[18:04] <lordcirth> Makes sense
[18:10] <SwaggerArch> happy thanksgiving
[18:11] <lordcirth> you too, thanks
[18:11] <SwaggerArch> np..
[18:11] <SwaggerArch> its a slow day.. thanks
[18:14] <HaMsTeRs> well, i'm here to let you guys know:  i finally found my most love text editor Sublime Text 3
[18:15] <SwaggerArch> nano
[18:15] <SwaggerArch> vim
[18:16] <acos> Nank
[18:17] <FurretUber> Can somebody test if the following bug is corrected in Cosmic Cuttlefish? I have Bionic Beaver installed and don't want to upgrade: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1798165
[18:22] <coconut> Is an /home partition on a separate ssd faster than having it on the same ssd as the rest?
[18:23] <genii> FurretUber: Why don't you just check the mailing list online archive for cosmic-changes
[18:24] <FurretUber> I'm using the hwe-edge kernel in Bionic, which seems to be the same version from Cosmic, and it works. But I won't change to set I verified it works if I did not verify, even if the patch is simple
[18:25] <lordcirth> coconut, if you are accessing files heavily on both simultaneously, a bit.  But SSDs are so fast for home use I doubt you'd notice
[18:26] <coconut> :)
[18:31] <SwaggerArch> jhkhjh
[18:42] <EliteGod> hello guys. does anyone know how to assign the FN to act as Shift key?
[18:44] <bittyx> hi, quick question - i'm still on xenial (16.04), and i have gnome-shell-extensions 3.18.3-2 which seems to be the latest available from the official repository: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnome-shell-extensions&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all - however, there's obviously newer versions of the software available, e.g. 3.28 for bionic or 3.30 for cosmic - is there any way for me to install any of these newer versions while
[18:44] <bittyx> remaining on xenial?
[18:44] <lordcirth> bittyx, I wouldn't recommend it.  Is upgrading to bionic a problem?
[18:46] <bittyx> lordcirth: i use this laptop for work, got a lot of software installed, and i'm afraid of being prevented from working if any issues happen during the upgrade (well in fact i'd reinstall from scratch, which is my preferred method to avoid issues as much as possible but still)
[18:46] <bittyx> (got a lot of work at the moment so can't waste time debugging my environment)
[18:47] <bittyx> so anyway, would the "correct" course of action be to find a ppa where someone maintains the gnome-shell-extensions package for 16.04 with newer versions available? (because i couldn't seem to find that at all)
[18:48] <EliteGod> bittyx never tried this, but can probably help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[18:52] <bittyx> EliteGod: thanks, though that seems a bit fragile, i dunno... the root of my problem is actually the stupid gnome extensions update mechanism, where "system extensions" (ie. those bundled with gnome-shell-extensions) cannot be updated through the recommended update mechanism (ie. via your browser), because they're installed globally and require root privileges
[18:54] <lordcirth> bittyx, could you uninstall the system extensions, then install them from your browser?
[18:55] <bittyx> lordcirth: i'll take a look at how to uninstall system extensions, sounds like a good idea, thanks
[18:55] <bittyx> it's a shame though that this requires so much unproductive effort
[18:59] <xand_real> Hello
[19:11] <Wes-> Hey, folks.  I'm trying to upgrade an old 14.04 LTS box here.  Getting 404s when I try to apt-get upgrade.  Is this version old enough that I'm going to have to wipe and reinstall from a CD?
[19:15] <lordcirth> Wes-, 14.04 is still supported, and you should be able to upgrade.  However, wiping and going to 18.04 is probably safer.
[19:15] <Wes-> Hm. lsb_release says I'm running 14.04.5 LTS, which https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases says should be supported until April 2019.  *scratches head*......have the repositories moved? Am trying to fetch from ca.archive.ubuntu.com
[19:16] <Wes-> lordcirth: Yeah...was just trying to avoid that.  I just need a test box that I verify some .debs on, that don't already have all my dependencies installed.  Funny who it's the little things that always take the most time!
[19:17] <lordcirth> I don't see trusty: http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[19:18] <lordcirth> You're in Canada? Try http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
[19:20] <Wes-> lordcirth: *weird* - I just re-tried and now stuff is coming down.  I wonder if Canonical was doing maintenance or something just now?   Will try WaterlooU if this fails for sure.
[19:22] <ahi2> y
[19:22] <lordcirth> Ah, trusty was there, I missed it because of an overlapping window. I'm tired
[19:22] <Wes-> :)  I feel you bro!  I appreciate you looking, I'm so tired it never crossed my mind to look with a browser.........
[19:23] <lordcirth> One of the nice things about apt, and Linux in general, is that you can often just read the file / view the repo / telnet / etc to debug
[19:24] <Wes-> Yep... love!
[19:25] <Wes-> In hilarious unrelated news, the installer just made the machine reboot, it booted Windows 7...I didn't even know I had a Windows partition. Looks like I'm going to have to boot from external media after all, troubleshoot grub... I remember this box was a pain, I think it might be UEFI-only.
[19:26] <lordcirth> lol
[19:26] <lordcirth> Wes-, this might fix it automatically: https://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair-cd/home/Home/
[19:28] <Wes-> Oooh! Thanks!  *hunts for blanks*
[19:53] <eeos> Anyone who knows about a viewer for Whatsapp files on ubuntu?
[19:53] <ikonia> what do you mean a viewer ?
[19:53] <ikonia> the files will open in an app that supports them
[19:55] <eeos> ikonia: they are encrypted files firts of all, so, no ....
[19:55] <ikonia> so yes
[19:56] <ikonia> just clarify for me what do you mean by viewing what's app files
[19:56] <ikonia> eg: are you using the whatsapp web browser interface ?
[19:57] <eeos> ikonia: https://andreas-mausch.de/whatsapp-viewer/
[19:58] <ikonia> so you need to talk to the author on that
[19:58] <eeos> ikonia: something like that but for Linux
[19:58] <eeos> ikonia: tat was only an example
[19:58] <ikonia> why dont you just use the whatsapp web interface
[19:58] <ikonia> https://web.whatsapp.com/
[20:00] <eeos> ikonia: because I have to recover some old backups
[20:00] <eeos> ikonia: for which I have the crypt key, but not the original device
[20:02] <ikonia> eeos: not aware of anything on linux for that, I'm sure if you trawl github there will be something
[20:03] <FurretUber> I'm trying to use memleak from BCC on 4.18.0-12 but it is not working, printing "/virtual/main.c:15:1: error: could not open bpf map: Operation not permitted is maps/hash map type enabled in your kernel?". It is working with 4.15.0-42
[20:05] <ikonia> FurretUber: there is a specific patch/version required for 4.18
[20:05] <ikonia> it's listed in the documentation
[20:10] <discovered> I am trying to change bell sound default drip. But in sound settings changes does not apply? I am on gnome !
[20:11] <discovered> I found /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/bell.ogg . But i wanted to configure it without deleting!
[20:15] <CrazyH> Ubuntu 16.04, gnome calssic desktop system. I'm trying to set up vino-server so that it will start up and allow remote desktop sharing BEFORE any user is logged in. However, I'm not super familiar with the software stack that loads, X, the WM , gnome and whatever else. How would I do this? What component do I need to configure? I'm guessing that probably a one liner in the correct file in the correct place would do that job, but
[20:15] <CrazyH> where would that place be?
[20:16] <ikonia> CrazyH: if you get the vino-server package there is normally a systemd init script for it that you just need to enable
[20:16] <CrazyH> I saw on the web that some people were editing a file pertaining to lightdm, but I don't think that applies to me?
[20:17] <CrazyH> ikonia, vino came installed by default on my system, so how would I deal with that? apt-get install vino-server ( or something similar? )
[20:18] <ikonia> CrazyH: systemctl list-unit-file --type=service
[20:18] <ikonia> see if there is a startup script for it
[20:18] <CrazyH> Unknown operation list-unit-file.
[20:19] <ikonia> s
[20:19] <ikonia> unit-files
[20:20] <CrazyH> ikonia, sorry, none of those commands were valid
[20:21] <howudodat> just curious if anyone knows of a ppa for libguestfs that has newer than 1.36 (repo version for ubuntu 18.04)
[20:21] <ikonia> CrazyH: systemctl list-unit-fies
[20:21] <ikonia> that is valid
[20:21] <ikonia> --type=service is also valid
[20:22] <ikonia> (as an argument)
[20:23] <CrazyH> ikonia, ok, that worked. It gave me a huge list of services. What am I looking for? I didn't see anything obvious while look for "vino"
[20:24] <ikonia> CrazyH: maybe the package no longer has an init and has to be called via the greeter as you suggeted you'd read the web earlier
[20:25] <CrazyH> ikonia, that leads to my initial question. Where does that happen? I know VERY little about the graphical interface stack :-/
[20:26] <CrazyH> all I know is that I'm running ubuntu 16.04 gnome classic desktop
[20:26] <ikonia> CrazyH: so lightdm is the greeter
[20:26] <ikonia> CrazyH: so you need to look at the lightdm config (I suspect the docs you're reading online on this will give you a ball park on where to start - then you can ask specific questions)
[20:27] <ikonia> if the docs are not for the same ubuntu version are you are using, if in doubt, ask
[20:28] <CrazyH> thanks! :-) I'll look into it
[20:29] <FurretUber> ikonia: where is this version or documentation? I didn't find it
[20:30] <ikonia> FurretUber: in the readme on the git site
[20:30] <ikonia> sorry the install file
[20:30] <ikonia> not readme
[20:31] <TJ-> CrazyH: Display Manager (e.g: lightdm) -> greeter (e.g:lightdm-greeter-gtk) -> session (e.g: ubuntu-desktop). The DM controls the X server
[20:31] <deadrom> hi
[20:32] <CrazyH> TJ-, so for starting up vino server on boot up ( but with no loging ), would I want to run that using a hook in the greeter?
[20:33] <deadrom> laptop/nvidia, attached a new display, does 3840x1600@30Hz. display can do up to 75Hz, but how to tell it? I calc'ed cvt for that mode but it won't show up in xrandr after --newmode / --addmode
[20:33] <TJ-> CrazyH: I'd think it'd need to be started by the DM to hook into the X server before the greeter
[20:35] <ikonia> TJ-: a basic google shows multiple ways to do this (all a bit weak on the explination if I'm honest) some show it being loaded by the X server, some show it being loaded by the greeter as an "export" of a running display, which from what I can read is because a lot of distro moved to wayland for the greeter
[20:36] <TJ-> CrazyH: As far as I'm aware vino is integrated with Gnome, and is only usuable after log-in. You might need something like x11vnc for access to the greeter
[20:37] <TJ-> ikonia: I haven't seen any mention of VNC support for a wayland compositor, have you?
[20:38] <ikonia> TJ-: nope, hence why it has to be launched after it - again the docs on these threads don't seem strong on factual reasons for this
[20:41] <CrazyH> TJ-, well, the one exmple that I found did mention x11vnc. CAn I still access that with remmina?
[20:41] <akem> Vino is too slow here, unusable i suggest try x11vnc if you have troubles. It's much faster but it crashes sometimes...i got it to run in a loop so it restarts automaticly in such case.
[20:42] <akem> You can access it with any regular vnc client.
[20:42] <TJ-> CrazyH: x11vnc uses the VNC protocol; you can access it with any VNC client
[20:44] <TJ-> ikonia: the reasons are architectural; the only way to do work with a wayland compositor currently, last time I checked, was to insert an interposer (which implies losing GPU hardware acceleration of GL). The other option isn't technically feasibly as yet due to design decisions of wayland, and lack of the required support on the proprietary drivers.
[20:45] <ikonia> TJ-: I'm not a real world user of "remote" desktop services, so bow to you on that
[20:45] <CrazyH> I'm currently reading this. It's for unbuntu 15.04, but it looks reasonable: http://c-nergy.be/blog/?p=8984
[20:46] <TJ-> Wayland was designed to expect hardware to write to; there's no way to proxy the writes to a remote display
[20:46] <TJ-> ikonia: me neither; I use ssh, but I read the technical discussions occassionally and the code
[20:47] <TJ-> ikonia: like yesterday, I had to use a PC 25 miles away to write an audio CD. "ssh -Y k3b" :)
[20:47] <ikonia> TJ-: yeah, sadly, it's just not in my use case
[20:48] <TJ-> ^^^ that was the first time I've used "ssh -X/Y" ! - everything else I do is in a shell
[20:49] <TJ-> but it was quickler that trying to figure out the correct way to invoke cdrskin... although later I figured that out too!
[20:50] <Substring> Hello.I'm using Ubuntu 18.04 with unity, i have lost application menu. Like here in hexchat, i can't edit preferences. Anyone got a solution ?
[20:50] <TJ-> ikonia: the hardest part was getting an admin assistant at the remote office to find a CD-R and put it in the PC's disc tray... their first attempt they managed to use a DVD-R so had to get someone else to do it
[20:50] <Substring> fresh install by the way
[21:09] <shukero> Hello everyone, I'm having a very weird issue with lockscreen and sleep options. Can someone help me?
[21:12] <shukero> Hi everyone, Whenever I close the lid of my laptop, my computer goes into "sleep" mode, and when I open the lid back up, it displays my lockscreen.
[21:13] <shukero> Sorry, let me rephrase with the question I have in a single statement
[21:15] <shukero> Hi everyone, Whenever I close the lid of my laptop, my computer goes into "sleep" mode, and when I open the lid back up, it displays my lockscreen. MY ISSUE IS: I have "lockscreen" turned off, and I have the "#handlelidswitch=ignore" so I need to know why this is happening and how I can fix it so that the lockscreen goes away and my computer doesn't do anything when I close my lid. Can someone help me?
[21:21] <CrazyH> TJ-, well, x11vnc seems to be up and running at boot up now, but for some reason remmina is having trouble connecting to it properly. Everything seems fine, it finds the connection, asks for the password, then remmina just craps out, drops the connection and hangs up. I don't know why yet
[21:21] <shukero> Hello everyone, I have lockscreen and sleep turned off in my control panel settings; but for some reason when I close my lid, my computer goes to sleep and the lockscreen meets me when I turn it back on. How do I keep these two things off?
[21:22] <TJ-> CrazyH: check the logs at both ends for the service(s)
[21:22] <CrazyH> TJ-,  x11vnc.log says --> rfbProcessClientNormalMessage: read: Connection reset by peer
[21:26] <CrazyH> TJ-, does remmina even have log files? I can't find one so far
[21:29] <CrazyH> awesome... it also has a completely useless man page...
[21:32] <throwthecheese> Can somebody help me with UIM? I compiled UIM with Anthy support, but Anthy does not appear in the drop-down menu
[21:37] <CrazyH> TJ-, well, I got vncviwer to work. I guess I'll just go with that
[21:41] <fuxaches> I'm duplicating a ubuntu 18.04.1 machine to eventually replace my aging one... I have pretty much everything setup and working - except Postfix. I use it for mailing php forms. I went through the postfix main.cf file and compared it to my working config and it's identical except for the computer name which is expected. Any help would be appreciated. I don't think it is a postfix issue...
[21:42] <Platonides> how does it not work?
[21:42] <Platonides> sorry for the obvious, but you have started postfix, right?
[21:42] <fuxaches> mail is not sending
[21:43] <fuxaches> yes  - started
[21:43] <fuxaches> i added the mail utilities to try and send a message from command line but no go
[21:43] <fuxaches> the line executes but i never receive the email
[21:45] <fuxaches> not a complicated setup neither... I am just using Shaw's smart host address to relay
[21:48] <fuxaches> hmmm, when I try to telnet localhost it says connection refused.... Yet UFW is not running
[21:58] <imi> hi
[21:58] <Haunted330> imi we are closed. Sorry
[21:58] <imi> what do you mean?
[21:58] <imi> was it a joke?
[21:58] <Haunted330> Our hours are M-F 6am-10pm, Saturday and Sunday 8am-4pm. Except we operate on weekend hours on major holidays, Christmas Eve, and New Years Eve. We are closed Easter Sunday, Thanksgiving Day, and Christmas Day. Nobody is allowed inside any channels outside of hours other than security.
[21:59] <Haunted330> sorry, man
[21:59] <imi> lol ok
[21:59] <Haunted330> but you will have to leave
[22:01] <imi> happy thanksgiving to you. here in Europe we don't celebrate thanksgiving. Anyhow I have a question. Feel free not to answer then: what's the difference between virtualbox-quest-x11-hwe and virtualbox-quest-x11 ?
[22:02] <TJ-> imi: "hwe" implies it comes from the HardWare Enablement stack - a more recent kernel/xorg
[22:02] <Haunted330> hey guys, we are closed. you will have to leave
[22:02] <TJ-> !hwe | imi
[22:02] <Haunted330> unless you are security
[22:03] <TJ-> Haunted330: stop it please
[22:03] <Haunted330> even ops are not allowed in here while closed unless they are security
[22:03] <imi> Haunted330: letmein' or 1==1 -- there you go
[22:03] <Haunted330> no guys, it is my job to make sure nobody comes in when we are closed
[22:04] <imi> in case of 17.10 host and 18.04 guest should I go with hwe or not?
[22:05] <TJ-> imi: it depends on whether you are running the guest with the HWE stack, or not
[22:06] <imi> in case of a vanilla install, do I?
[22:06] <Haunted330> Guys, we are closed. You will have to leave.
[22:08] <Haunted330> ok, all of you coming in, we are closed, you have to leave.
[22:08] <roracle> hey guys, need some help here: just installed PlayOnLinux and when I start it up, it looks like this https://imgur.com/a/RSTfFT9
[22:09] <Haunted330> sorry, we are closed
[22:09] <roracle> this has never happened before, but this is a fresh install
[22:09] <Haunted330> we will reopen tomorrow at 6am
[22:09] <roracle> eh? lol
[22:09] <Haunted330> you will have to leave
[22:09] <roracle> no, you leave first
[22:09] <Sir_Andrei> Hi ppl
[22:09] <Haunted330> I am security
[22:10] <Haunted330> so no I dont leave
[22:10] <roracle> I am security
[22:10] <Haunted330> no youre not
[22:10] <Sir_Andrei> I'm installing Lubuntu 18.04.1 on a PC and I am trying not to do such a mess with partitions.
[22:10] <Haunted330> Our hours are M-F 6am-10pm, Saturday and Sunday 8am-4pm. Except we operate on weekend hours on major holidays, Christmas Eve, and New Years Eve. We are closed Easter Sunday, Thanksgiving Day, and Christmas Day.
[22:10] <Haunted330> You all have to leave
[22:10] <Sir_Andrei> The situation is: I have Windows 8 and Fedora installed.
[22:10] <Haunted330> Only security is allowed here outside of business hours
[22:10] <Haunted330> sorry
[22:10] <roracle> Haunted330: this is IRC
[22:10] <Sir_Andrei> When I installed Fedora i let it make it own partition automagically.
[22:11] <Haunted330> I am well aware of what this is
[22:11] <Sir_Andrei> It worked, but well, im moving to Ubuntu.
[22:11] <roracle> and not everyone celebrates those holidays
[22:11] <Haunted330> well, I just do what they instruct me to
[22:11] <Haunted330> that is what they pay me for
[22:11] <Sir_Andrei> Fedora created something that appear on Lubuntu installer as /dev/mapper (I'm modifying partitions manually).
[22:11] <Haunted330> I need my job
[22:11] <Haunted330> so I need to enforce the orders
[22:11] <Sir_Andrei> My question is: It's safe to remove /dev/mapper partitions?
[22:11] <Sir_Andrei> Idk what they are.
[22:12] <roracle> but you aren't in a position to enforce anything...
[22:12] <Haunted330> come back tomorrow at 6am
[22:12] <Haunted330> roracle I am channel security
[22:12] <roracle> you come back tomorrow at 6am
[22:12] <Haunted330> no, my shift is now
[22:12] <TJ-> Sir_Andrei: /dev/mapper/ is where device-mapper devices for LVM and crypt devices and other are collected
[22:12] <TJ-> Haunted330: Stop. Now
[22:12] <Haunted330> my shift goes till 8pm tonight
[22:12] <Sir_Andrei> Haunted330: Can u stop with that sh*t?
[22:12] <roracle> thank you
[22:12] <Haunted330> guys,
[22:12] <Sir_Andrei> There is people with real problems here you mothe...
[22:12] <Sir_Andrei> TJ, thx.
[22:12] <Haunted330> we can help tomorrow
[22:12] <TJ-> Sir_Andrei: please, just ignore it, and mind your language
[22:13] <Sir_Andrei> Well, It's safe to remove them?
[22:13] <roracle> Haunted330: you have no say, you don't have a hammer, so deal with it
[22:13] <Haunted330> no, you are in my channel
[22:13] <TJ-> Sir_Andrei: you don't 'remove' nodes under /dev/mapper/ - they represent active devices
[22:13] <Haunted330> I am in charge of this channel today during my shift
[22:13] <Sir_Andrei> Even with GParted TJ?
[22:13] <Sir_Andrei> They doesn't are partitions actually?
[22:14] <TJ-> Sir_Andrei: these are not partitions, they are logical devices
[22:14] <roracle> whew, easier to just ignore the guy lol.  i'm glad you're responsive TJ- because my issue is strange... https://imgur.com/a/RSTfFT9
[22:14] <roracle> it's just POL that is doing this
[22:14] <Sir_Andrei> Yea, well, I can't remove them with Gparted.
[22:15] <Haunted330> everybody has to leave now except for security
[22:15] <TJ-> Sir_Andrei: if there is an LVM logical volume there you can deactivate it with "vgchange -an VGNAME" where VGNAME is the part before the hyphen in a /dev/mapper/vg-lv name
[22:15] <roracle> Sir_Andrei: i have 0mb partitions that came up when i installed, and it's never happened before on any other distro, it was odd
[22:16] <roracle> like, between each partition i made for my linux install, it put in 0mb partitions in the hard drive setup
[22:16] <Haunted330> everybody including those who just came in, we are closed today, you will have to leabe
[22:16] <Haunted330> *leave
[22:17] <Sir_Andrei> Ok, that make sense @TJ, I'll deactivate that little girls first.
[22:17] <TJ-> roracle: I have no idea what PlayOnLinux is supposed to do
[22:18] <Haunted330> We are closed, you all will have to leave
[22:18] <roracle> it's a frontend for WINE, it is meant to install the best compatible version of WINE for the program you're installing
[22:18] <dax> Haunted330: let's not be silly in the support channel, thanks
[22:18] <roracle> and it can use multiple instances, so it's really helpful
[22:18] <Haunted330> dax please do not tell me what to do
[22:18] <roracle> dax: just /ignore him
[22:19] <roracle> dax: he's been like this since i got here
[22:19] <Haunted330> I am the security on duty
[22:19] <dax> Haunted330: don't do silly things and I won't tell you what to do. now, settle down and be both friendly and non-confusing
[22:19] <sruli> just installed keep getting "/bin/mount: Failed exit code 32" i get it when trying to mount anything, ext4 volumes' ecryptfs, even update-grub has this error in output
[22:19] <Haunted330> dax, you are forgetting that I am the security user on duty
[22:19] <dax> Haunted330: good, then you'll know what a security badge looks like
[22:20] <Haunted330> not that kind of security
[22:20] <dax> Haunted330: now, are you done?
[22:20] <sruli> just installed 18.04 ^
[22:20] <Haunted330> I am not sworn in
[22:20] <Haunted330> I do not have apprehension rights
[22:20] <Platonides> that was funny, dax :)
[22:20] <TJ-> dax: thankyou!
[22:22] <roracle> dax: wow, good job
[22:25] <TJ-> sruli: how do you manage it!?
[22:26] <sruli> TJ-: dont kick a man when he down
[22:28] <sruli> TJ-: been faffing around all day reducing my lv partition sizes to make place for 18.04 install now i am trying to mount the old lv root, it mounts but this error is driving me crazy, i cant get ecryptfs-recover-private to mount
[22:28] <TJ-> sruli: aha, so you've changed sizes? sounds like you've broken file-system somewhere
[22:29] <fuxaches> issue with duplicating postfix on a new machine using ubuntu 18.04 only difference is working machine was installed 18.04.0 then upgraded to 18.04.1 the new machine with postfix not working was installed originally on 18.04.1  - both desktop versions
[22:29] <sruli> TJ-: no, it gives me same error when mounting other drives that i havnt touched, still mounts and contents are readable
[22:30] <sruli> TJ-: googling for this exit code only returns results for cifs,samba & nfs mounts
[22:30] <fuxaches> i can telnet in fine, but smtp will not send an email...
[22:31] <sruli> TJ-: sudo -i also throws this error code
[22:33] <qsrmvt> Ok, this is likely a dumb question, but how do I set the Mate login to show more than just the initial user?
[22:34] <fuxaches> can someone help with a ubuntu 18.04 desktop install using postfix to send php form mail not working on one machine, yet fine on another php and postfix configs are the same... ?
[22:34] <Sir_Andrei> @TJ, confirmed, there is a logical volume
[22:34] <Sir_Andrei> But then, how I know its name?
[22:34] <TJ-> sruli: I'd guess the mount wrapper is getting error code 32 returned by one of its file-system-specific  helpers
[22:34] <Sir_Andrei> I'm seeing it with GParted.
[22:35] <TJ-> sruli: you're executing /bin/mount in the new 18.04 installation?
[22:35] <sruli> TJ-:  no just mount
[22:36] <roracle> yeah i think i need to be running 18.04, because i'm using 18.10 and things just aren't running properly with WINE :\
[22:40] <TJ-> sruli: right, but that should be /bin/mount because it is searched on PATH ("which mount")
[22:41] <sruli> TJ-: found the culprit...
[22:42] <roracle> alright, going to install the lts release, might switch to Kubuntu for it, too.  gaw, it's hard to use Linux these days :\
[22:42] <roracle> like it was getting easier and easier, then bam, everything changed
[22:42] <Emjay79> hello, I've a problem with my Dell Venue 10 pro 5056, I can't hear nothing. Can someone help me?
[22:42] <sruli> TJ-: in my pam.d/common-session i added a line "session optional pam_exec.so /bin/mount /path/to /path/1" removed that and problem is gone, not sure why that is
[22:43] <Emjay79> I've 18.10 installed
[22:43] <sruli> TJ-: will try to ecryptfs-recover-private now, hope it works
[22:49] <guiver_d> Emjay79: i probably can't help, but has sound ever worked (if not I'd suggest you `lshw -C sound` to list-hardware class=sound to see what is recognized)
[22:53] <Sir_Andrei> @TJ, done.
[22:53] <Sir_Andrei> I'd read docs about that topic.
[22:53] <Sir_Andrei> My first time dealing with LVM.
[22:53] <Sir_Andrei> lvremove over fedora and now it's gone.
[22:58] <imi> another question: how do I enable vmx/svm in a virtualbox guest?
[23:00] <Platonides> you usually can't use virtualization extensions inside a VM
[23:00] <Platonides> as they are used by the hypervisor
[23:04] <imi> Platonides: I managed to do so under vmware (so it's possible after all) but now I want to do so under virtualbox
[23:09] <Platonides> odd
[23:09] <TJ-> nested virtualisation is a useful tool
[23:09] <Platonides> maybe VMWare is actually doing it in software
[23:09] <TJ-> QEMU/KVM supports it too
[23:10] <Platonides> sure, but the hardware must support that
[23:10] <TJ-> imi: "Nested AMD-V is functional (although not feature complete). Nested VT-x is still work-in-progress. Hence no major announcement was made. "  https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/4032
[23:18] <PCatinean> Hey guys, I'm reading this documentation page https://github.com/rook/rook/blob/master/Documentation/ceph-cluster-crd.md and on the device filter it says: A regular expression that allows selection of devices to be consumed by OSDs. If individual devices have been specified for a node then this filter will be ignored. This field uses golang regular expression syntax. For example:
[23:19] <PCatinean> what does devices mean any way? I have extra hard drives mounted in /dev/disk/by-id/random-stuff-here
[23:47] <jamin667> Happy thanksgiving Ubuntu! :)
[23:48] <jamin667> I installed Ubuntu with disk encryption via the installer. Now I'm trying to mount that disk on a different PC to retrieve some files. Is there a documented process for that?
[23:52] <jamin667> I've tried "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdf5 crypthome" and it asks for a passphrase, but it errors out when i give it the passphrase. It says, "No key available with this passphrase."