[22:35] <lk> not a very active channel
[22:36] <valorie> unfortunately not
[22:37] <lk> Do you reside in Seattle?
[22:37] <valorie> an hour out
[22:37] <lk> south? im pierce 
[22:37] <valorie> I tried to lead the group after Linda stepped back
[22:37] <valorie> but it's difficult from so far out
[22:37] <valorie> I live in Black Diamond
[22:37] <lk> I bet she has to many things in life 
[22:37] <valorie> where are you in Pierce
[22:38] <valorie> well, she now has young children, yeah
[22:38] <lk> I heard BD approved a large housing developent.
[22:38] <valorie> oh yes
[22:38] <lk> must suck
[22:38] <valorie> we're being surrounded by houses now, instead of trees
[22:38] <valorie> :(
[22:38] <lk> sucks
[22:38] <valorie> indeed
[22:39] <valorie> I mean, I drove to SeaGL daily this year and it wasn't too bad
[22:39] <lk> I left Canada a few years ago..same thing in the GVRV massive development in all cities traffic was getting horrid
[22:39] <valorie> but ....
[22:39] <lk> I started on linux in 97
[22:39] <valorie> I wouldn't mind moving back to the Seattle or at least closer; my kids live there
[22:39] <lk> then was hired as a contractor in 1998 by Microsoft in the w2K group
[22:40] <lk> ahh
[22:40] <valorie> but my husband won't be moved without some sticks of dynomite
[22:40] <lk> sure
[22:40] <valorie> you had an earlier start than i
[22:40] <lk> only way to control a city is be on the seat as a counselor or mayor
[22:40] <valorie> I think I first ran linux in 2001
[22:40] <lk> yes...i do not know how I started. I started with centos
[22:41] <valorie> although I was already running as much FOSS software as possible in Win
[22:41] <lk> Foss?
[22:41] <valorie> Mandrake was my first
[22:41] <valorie> free and open source software
[22:41] <lk> ohh
[22:41] <lk> yes
[22:42] <lk> It was a interesting start to my IT career but I also hate it because its always contract 
[22:42] <valorie> but I've been on kubuntu for many years
[22:42] <lk> Should have considred something else like medical 
[22:42] <valorie> now the release manager
[22:42] <lk> :)
[22:42]  * valorie never worked in IT
[22:42] <valorie> not a coder
[22:42] <lk> so you are the release manager?
[22:42] <valorie> yep
[22:43] <lk> nice
[22:43] <lk> I met a guy in Vancouver who made his own kernel
[22:43] <lk> man that guy was always upset and intense 
[22:43] <lk> I got his name wrong and he look like he wanted to belt me 
[22:44] <lk> but thats in the past
[22:44] <valorie> to me, software is tools
[22:44] <valorie> not religion
[22:44] <lk> I am a intj .i tried learning coding but...I get bored. 
[22:44] <valorie> I use FOSS when possible but will use other stuff when necessary
[22:44] <lk> I am not a INTP personality
[22:45] <lk> INTJ so more of a problem solver on a larger scale. I am also...obsolete in the windows arena. 
[22:45] <lk> Do you see kubuntu used in private industry?
[22:45] <valorie> dunno
[22:46] <lk> Okay
[22:46] <valorie> there are lots of small groups using it
[22:46] <lk> sure
[22:46] <lk> I use mint 
[22:46] <lk> ubunto
[22:46] <lk> It works on my panasonic laptop
[22:46] <lk> thing is....ff keeps trashing after for windows are open
[22:46] <lk> crashing
[22:46] <valorie> for instance, in Taiwan, a guy is getting all the government offices to use his Kubuntu fork
[22:47] <valorie> with Libreoffice all set up for them
[22:47] <lk> nice
[22:47] <valorie> a guy I met in northern India is doing the same in Assam 
[22:47] <lk> sure
[22:47] <valorie> various schools, etc.
[22:48] <lk> I powered off centos 150 times without closing the os never corrupted or crashed.
[22:49] <lk> built several asterisk boxes running polycome phone
[22:50] <lk> so do you sell it as a service?
[22:52] <valorie> sell what as a service?
[22:52] <lk> kubunto ie, consulting 
[22:53] <valorie> no, I'm retired
[22:53] <valorie> I don't need the money and I don't want to work for anyone who can tell me what/when to do some work
[22:54] <lk> I agree
[22:54] <lk> Wish i was retired but I do not think it will ever happen
[22:56] <valorie> there are no paid devels in Kubuntu
[22:57] <valorie> most of the flavors have no paid devels
[22:58] <valorie> I would say that very few distros have any paid positions
[22:59] <valorie> any more. We used to 
[23:01] <lk> I see
[23:03] <valorie> packaging has gotten much more automated now
[23:03] <valorie> and with better continuous integration systems, more autotesting
[23:04] <valorie> everything is just better
[23:04] <valorie> with much less work required
[23:37] <lk> I see