[05:35] <Mho-Games> Greetings !
[05:37] <Mho-Games> have a lil question. How to i force studio to use generic Kernel instead of Low Late?
[16:07] <sakrecoer> i'm a little bit confused with snaps..
[16:07] <sakrecoer> on one hand: super handy! on the other hand: wuut?
[16:07] <OvenWerks> why? or how? or something...
[16:09] <sakrecoer> they build their little homes in my home, with an entire file structure. it doesn't take too much space since most of the folders are empty anyways. But then the loading times: what's up with that? I've only installed commercial crap i need for work so far with it: slack, telegram, visual code... It takes for ever to load them! If i use the .deb on the website it takes 1/10 of that loading time...
[16:11] <OvenWerks> that was why I asked "why" :)
[16:12] <sakrecoer> i get security warnings about how i need to use `--classic` flag for them to be able to talk to the rest of my drive. And the few apps (Telegram) that don't need that flag well.. they are just being locked out. So if someone send me a work document on telegram, i need to copy it from that little home in my home, to.. well, my actual home...
[16:12] <OvenWerks> wine might be faster...
[16:12] <sakrecoer> i suppose that's cool: now me as a user have taken that decision myself.
[16:13] <sakrecoer> but those loading times.... how come .deb with dpkg can do it so much better and faster and daftpunkier then snap?
[16:13] <OvenWerks> send a bug report against the package.
[16:13] <sakrecoer> good idea!
[16:13] <OvenWerks> request it be turned into a deb...
[16:14] <sakrecoer> it has had me confused... i feel like it was promoted to me as some next level kinda thing, and all i got was a redundant home in my home... but i suppose i haven't tested ALL snaps yet....
[16:15] <OvenWerks> snaps were designed for the dev not the user. So the user can only complain.
[16:16] <sakrecoer> hahaha!!! that sounds like.... as if the gap between devels and users wasn't big enough!
[16:16] <sakrecoer> digital class war! computer literate against computer consumers!
[16:17] <sakrecoer> i certainly belong to the consumers in the snap trench :D
[16:17] <OvenWerks> well not really, it will just make ubuntu slower than windows.
[16:17] <sakrecoer> hahahaha
[16:17] <OvenWerks> users will use what serves them best.
[16:18] <OvenWerks> That means that devs may just decide ubuntu/linux is not worth their time.
[16:19] <sakrecoer> on the long run, i have that fear too! i keep hearing: "people born 2000 are so digital they are the one's showing the way" ye.... they are supercomfy with instaface jargon and "accept" buttons, but do they even know what's happening in the background? how do we make them care.... oh well... i can feel my stallmanian beard growing as a think about it...
[16:20] <sakrecoer> sorry mao172229 :D
[16:22] <sakrecoer> stepped in mid rant... :D it's not like i know so much more than "accept" clicking youngsters in fact... but i care somewhat.
[16:26] <OvenWerks> computers are tools... people believe what they are told... they even believe that that laptop with a 2 core cpu is an i7 the same as the one in their desktop :P
[16:29] <OvenWerks> In the end people will choose the tools they think do the work they need done the best.
[16:34] <sakrecoer> yes... sadly it seems to me most users want a TV that answers interactively when they react to some crazy content. For that i7 is quite over kill. Looing at my modern phone's specs, it would seem a pentium 3 would do!
[16:35] <OvenWerks> Thats apple's next gen...
[16:35] <sakrecoer> well.. hehe... no, i mean... maybe... but that's not the "modern" phone i have...
[16:36] <OvenWerks> Apple is loosing th eintel cpu for an arm.
[16:36] <sakrecoer> ARM seems to be the bomb lately hehe
[16:37] <OvenWerks> we will see how all the artists that use them for performing like them
[16:37] <sakrecoer> alli can think of right now is Mark Rebillet's song about the android/iOS debate :D
[16:37] <OvenWerks> (or graphics artists for that matter)
[16:38] <sakrecoer> the title is confusing... and the song is NOT safe for work...
[16:38] <OvenWerks> android speced the audio really bad
[16:38] <sakrecoer> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAK8-T4Uow0
[16:39] <sakrecoer> ye... i guess i have to agree...
[16:40] <sakrecoer> i don't understand it tbh... the interface changed, so now everything is different? why can't a computer the size of my pocket with 4 times the power of my computer from 2004 do the same thing? If my fingers are at cause i'll gladely plug a mouse in it!
[16:41] <sakrecoer> thing is, i tried to plug a mouse in it, but the software to allow that made it even worse...
[16:41] <OvenWerks> The android audio spec allows hardware makers to get away with really bad HW for audio. SO even if the sw goes around the top layer audio to one lower, you have to be lucky with the hw to get usable latency.
[16:42] <sakrecoer> i feel like a reactionary old fart, but i am in fact not a technophobe at all. on the contrary: i like to get my hands "dirty" on it.
[16:42] <sakrecoer> yes...
[16:42] <OvenWerks> both android and ios present the dev (or most of them) with a virtual machine. This allows more variety of hw
[16:43] <sakrecoer> i suppose that is what it takes to get a digitally illetrate society to rely on the device...
[16:44] <sakrecoer> i mean, take where i am: sweden. we are almost a cash less society. But yet there is a very small minority that understand even the surface of the consequences to that.
[16:44] <sakrecoer> old people have no more banks to go to, to pay their bills...
[16:44] <OvenWerks> it means sw dev is "easier" (I didn't find it so) and one package works on all hw
[16:44] <sakrecoer> of course, if we all need to pay bills with the phone then perhaps it's a bad idea to have it wide open to any useage...
[16:45] <sakrecoer> but, my sentiment is that we would be better off making society computer literate, before we make them computer-dependent
[16:45] <OvenWerks> Yikes! my phone can't touch any of my money
[16:46] <sakrecoer> you know i felt like that too!! but it's impossible now. If i don't let my phone touch my money (my bank) than i have no way to authenticate with any governmental agency anymore without having to travel miles and stand in a 4h long line.
[16:47] <OvenWerks> no one complains?
[16:47] <sakrecoer> banks have basically become a higher authority regarding my identity then the state!!!!
[16:48] <sakrecoer> yes!! me, 2 other FOSS people and 300 old farts that will die at any moment (at least the bank hopes so)
[16:48] <sakrecoer> "but it's so convenient! no need to travel a mile or stand in a 4h line, Just get BankID already"
[16:48] <OvenWerks> fine, but on a phone?
[16:49] <sakrecoer> you can have it on your laptop too! but only if its win/ios
[16:49] <OvenWerks> a phone is something that has to be left laying on a charger... hardly a secure place to have anything.
[16:50] <sakrecoer> i agree!!!
[16:50] <sakrecoer> and actually, they really push for you to use the phone as a "2FA" for anything you do on the computer
[16:50] <sakrecoer> like: log in to bank? authenticate with phone
[16:51] <sakrecoer> so you NEED 2 devices! talk about excluding the poor form a functional life!
[16:51] <OvenWerks> The can I borrow your phone for a sec scam is big too... then it is now if you want it back give me $100 (or however rich you look)
[16:53] <sakrecoer> Well... at this point, you really don't want to borrow your phone: it's not like they aren't running huge campaigns about how people get scamed. Infact people do get scammed all the time! of course, they have no idea what they are doing with their devices! "bu... but... i just pressed "agree"!"
[16:53] <sakrecoer> *lend your phone
[16:53] <sakrecoer> you know.. like "i agree to a convenient life"
[16:57] <sakrecoer> pff... in some way i feel i should apologize for this extended rant...
[16:57] <OvenWerks> Like letting the browser keep your passwords :P
[16:57] <sakrecoer> hahaha
[16:58] <sakrecoer> what do you mean? why would it be a bad idea to store my secrets on the gateway to the information highway?!
[16:59] <sakrecoer> not sure where to store them tbh...
[16:59] <sakrecoer> but the less secrets there are to be stored the less problem...
[16:59]  * sakrecoer beatboxes Biggie Small
[17:14] <sakrecoer> on another, positive, note! Acid December! We have 10 days worht of music!!! \o/
[17:15] <sakrecoer> and that's pretty serious! some of that stuff is made by some serious people, that are ready to give their stuff away for the fun of it!
[17:16] <sakrecoer> It's not like society is crumbling over itself, there is just a big thumb taking all the attention away from the other 8 phalanges!
[17:16] <sakrecoer> ok, 2 big thumbs
[17:16] <sakrecoer> but still!! 8 phalanges of digital people!
[17:18] <Eickmeyer> I'll see your 8 phelanges and raise you 10 more in the form of toes.
[17:18] <Eickmeyer> (point still stands, sakrecoer)
[17:26] <sakrecoer> \o/!!!!!!
[17:26] <sakrecoer> Clear majority!!!!!
[17:26] <sakrecoer> that's like 16 to 4!!!
[17:26] <sakrecoer> a full on square!!!
[17:27] <sakrecoer> on a 64 bit processor, that would be 64 to 8! :D
[17:30] <sakrecoer> maybe not, but i really needed that positive note right here right now Eickmeyer <3
[17:30] <Eickmeyer> sakrecoer: Glad to oblige. :)
[20:02] <studio-user740> any "hidden gems|" that you know of in studio?
[20:02] <studio-user740> new user here still figuring things out
[20:03] <studio-user740> what's the coolest thing you[ve done with studio?