[01:43] <studio-user629> Is this thing on?
[01:45] <krytarik> Depeeends!
[01:45] <OvenWerks> zero, one and maybe?
[01:46] <studio-user629> New Ubuntu Studio user looking for basic help with audio production. I was trying to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/AudioHandbook but not having success
[01:46] <studio-user629> And not sure where to go for that kind of basic introduction and trouble shooting
[01:46] <OvenWerks> what is or is not working? which version of Studio are you using
[01:47] <studio-user629> Downloaded the other day, whichever version that is...
[01:48] <OvenWerks> cat /etc/os-release shows?
[01:48] <OvenWerks> second line is fine
[01:48] <OvenWerks>  or the last
[01:49] <studio-user629> I'm trying to get recording to work, I can get Audacity to record external source but not internal (Hydrogen). Also can't get Audacity to play to speakers (though Hydrogen does)
[01:49] <studio-user629> 18.10
[01:49] <OvenWerks> so you have jack running?
[01:49] <studio-user629> yes
[01:49] <OvenWerks> how did you start jack?
[01:50] <studio-user629> qjackctl
[01:50] <OvenWerks> ok, so when you start jack it takes control of te audio device and nothing else can use it.
[01:51] <OvenWerks> have you tried using ubuntustudio-controls to start jack?
[01:51] <studio-user629> ok
[01:52] <studio-user629> no I haven't
[01:52] <OvenWerks> -controls allows more than one device to be used at a time and sets the pulse jack bridge up for you.
[01:53] <studio-user629> need to start from command line?
[01:53] <OvenWerks> you would have to set audacity to use jack as it's audio device rather than either pulse or alsa
[01:53] <OvenWerks> look in your menu system-> ubuntu studio controls
[01:54] <OvenWerks> Ya it needs to show in the audio production menu as well I know :)
[01:54] <studio-user629> OK, use defaults?
[01:54] <OvenWerks> probably
[01:55] <OvenWerks> do you also have a second audio device?
[01:55] <studio-user629> not sure what you mean
[01:55] <OvenWerks> are you using only the internal computer audio or do you also have a USB audio device
[01:56] <studio-user629> Yes the latter
[01:56] <studio-user629> I was able to record that but not internal
[01:56] <studio-user629> In Ubuntu Studio Controls I hit Start or Restart Jack, nothing obvious then happens
[01:57] <OvenWerks> ok default will work and should show your internal audio as system and your usb as something else (depending on what your USB calls it self.)
[01:57] <OvenWerks> probably not :)
[01:57] <OvenWerks>  if you open patchage you should see your devices
[01:58] <OvenWerks> (you should also be able to see it in qjackctl connections but you would have to restart qjackctl to see it there
[01:59] <studio-user629> In Patchage I see PulseOut-01, PulseIn, Midi Through, system, UA-4FX (the sound interface), and a2j
[02:00] <studio-user629> PulseOut-01 connected to system and PulseIn connected to system
[02:00] <OvenWerks> ok sounds good, your Pulseout should be connected to system 1 & 2 as well I think
[02:00] <OvenWerks> good
[02:01] <OvenWerks> that will allow anything connected to pulse to still sound in your computer out
[02:01] <studio-user629> PulseOut-1 front-left,right to system playback_1,_2
[02:01] <OvenWerks> pulse being your desktop sound
[02:01] <studio-user629> PulseIn front-left,right to system capture_1,2
[02:01] <OvenWerks> so skype or firefox will still work.
[02:02] <OvenWerks> you will probably have to connect anything that goes to the UA manually.
[02:02] <studio-user629> there also is PulseIn-01 which is not connected to anything
[02:03] <OvenWerks>  Thas odd, it should be connected to your system capture 1
[02:03] <OvenWerks> if you have one.
[02:04] <studio-user629> PulseIn is connected to system capture, not PulseIn-01
[02:05] <studio-user629> PulseOut-01 is connected to system playback, there is no PulseOut
[02:05] <OvenWerks> Ah, ok 01 is a bug
[02:05] <OvenWerks> there is an u-p dated version of -controls at the ubuntustudio -dev PPA
[02:06] <OvenWerks> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/autobuild
[02:07] <studio-user629> Do I need it?
[02:07] <OvenWerks> what has happened is that the controls back end has for some reason been started twice
[02:08] <OvenWerks> you can ignore the 01 pulse and use things the way they are
[02:08] <studio-user629> but there is no PulseOut
[02:08] <OvenWerks> but it is not that hard to install the new version
[02:09] <OvenWerks>  I tend to download the deb file and just install that
[02:11] <OvenWerks> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/autobuild/+files/ubuntustudio-controls_1.7+git-0~201810210006~ubuntu18.10.1_all.deb
[02:11] <studio-user629> one sec...
[02:13] <rsholmes> ok, can you send that url again? I was on another computer
[02:14] <OvenWerks> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/autobuild/+files/ubuntustudio-controls_1.7+git-0~201810210006~ubuntu18.10.1_all.deb
[02:14] <rsholmes> thanks
[02:14] <rsholmes> Do I need to stop jack?
[02:15] <OvenWerks> no, but after you install it yu will want restart controls and restart jack from that.
[02:18] <studio-user629> I get the same thing, PulseIn and PulseOut-01 and PulseIn-01 and no PulseOut
[02:18] <OvenWerks> you may have to logout and in.
[02:18] <studio-user629> (sorry about talking from two different places...)
[02:20] <studio-user629> well, after logout and login I now have PulseIn, PulseIn-01, PulseIn-02, and PulseOut-02
[02:20] <OvenWerks> wow
[02:21] <studio-user629> restart?
[02:21] <OvenWerks> you can try but that shouldn't happen
[02:25] <studio-user629> all right, after restart there is just PulseIn and PulseOut
[02:26] <OvenWerks> good... ya that makes sense the update was to both the GUI part and the backend.
[02:26] <OvenWerks> So the old version was still running
[02:27] <OvenWerks> The new version looks for other instances and tells them to die
[02:27] <studio-user629> OK, now Audacity is recording Hydrogen...
[02:27] <OvenWerks> cool
[02:28] <studio-user629> but does not play on speakers
[02:28] <OvenWerks> where are the speakers connected to?
[02:28] <studio-user629> Internal laptop speakers
[02:28] <OvenWerks> so system playback 01 and 02
[02:29] <studio-user629> In audicity prefs Playback is HDA Intel MID: HDMI 0 (hw:0,3)
[02:30] <studio-user629> ah, changed to default and now working
[02:30] <OvenWerks> so alsa, you want to change that to either pulse or jack
[02:30] <OvenWerks> default will be pulse
[02:30] <studio-user629> yep
[02:34] <studio-user629> very low level on the recording though... set to 0dB in volume control
[02:35] <OvenWerks> you can also in Audacity under Edit->preferences->Devices change Host from ALSA to Jack
[02:35] <OvenWerks> with pulse you can increase level above 0 if you like
[02:36] <studio-user629> only -24 on Audacity monitoring
[02:36] <OvenWerks> Ya that low
[02:36] <OvenWerks> is that from a mic?
[02:37] <studio-user629> no, from Hydrogen
[02:38] <OvenWerks> so hydrogen to pulse to audacity?
[02:38] <OvenWerks> is it actually connected that way
[02:38] <OvenWerks> (using patchage)
[02:38] <studio-user629> Oh, I see... it was system input not Hydrogen
[02:39] <studio-user629> using the audacity controls
[02:39] <OvenWerks> so you were hearing hydrogen through the mic maybe
[02:39] <studio-user629> I don't see audacity in Patchage, is it under some other name?
[02:39] <OvenWerks> it will be pulse
[02:40] <studio-user629> Hm, Hydrogen is connected to system and PortAudio
[02:40] <OvenWerks> unless you use jack for it in which case it will be ya port audio
[02:40] <studio-user629> OK, making sense now
[02:41] <studio-user629> Thanks, starting to get somewhere
[02:42] <OvenWerks> it is a bit more manual to do things, but many more things are possible
[02:44] <studio-user629> ok, now how do I connect the external audio?
[02:45] <OvenWerks> it should be there
[02:45] <OvenWerks> just connect to that insead of system
[02:45] <studio-user629> I see UA-4FX MIDI but not audio
[02:46] <OvenWerks> hm
[02:47] <OvenWerks> which audio ports do you see?
[02:47] <studio-user629> in Patchage see PulseOut, system, Hydrogen, PulseIn, PortAudio
[02:48] <OvenWerks> And your USB device is pulgged in I guess if you can see the MIDI part
[02:48] <studio-user629> yes... previously when using qjackctl I was getting the audio
[02:49] <OvenWerks> in controls in the audio setup tab are all four lines at the bottom checked?
[02:49] <studio-user629> yes
[02:49] <OvenWerks> The second line from the top should be No usb master
[02:50] <studio-user629> yes
[02:50] <OvenWerks> do you know if your device is one of those that does 44k1 only
[02:50] <studio-user629> is that sample rate
[02:51] <OvenWerks> maybe try 48000 then
[02:53] <studio-user629> ah, that looks promising
[02:53] <studio-user629> It connects to system
[02:54] <OvenWerks> yes you can do it that way if you don't need the internal audio
[02:54] <studio-user629> oh wait, that's in. out is connected to nothing
[02:55] <OvenWerks> though you can also use Connect Other Audio interfaces to add the internal
[02:56] <OvenWerks> can you run:
[02:56] <OvenWerks> cd /tmp && wget http://jackaudio.org/downloads/adevices.sh && bash ./adevices.sh
[02:56] <studio-user629> UA4FX in is connected to system playback, I don't hear anything and it doesn't get to Audacity
[02:58] <studio-user629> OK I did that
[02:58] <OvenWerks> and post the output to pastebin?
[02:58] <studio-user629> how do I do that?
[02:58] <OvenWerks> then put the url to the paste here so I can look
[02:59] <OvenWerks> in the terminal under edit select all
[02:59] <OvenWerks> then copy
[02:59] <studio-user629> pastebin.com?
[03:00] <OvenWerks>  then goto pastebin.com
[03:00] <OvenWerks> and paste it there
[03:01] <OvenWerks> at the bottom there is a create new paste button
[03:01] <studio-user629> pastebin.com/5Djkhj6M
[03:02] <studio-user629> https://pastebin.com/5Djkhj6M
[03:04] <OvenWerks> That shows both an input and an output for the UA4FX
[03:04] <OvenWerks> it shows they are both connected to jack.
[03:05] <OvenWerks> can you also paste the output of jack_lsp -c
[03:05] <studio-user629> after switching to 48k they appear on Patchage but not getting to Audacity
[03:06] <OvenWerks> Audacity is odd.
[03:06] <OvenWerks> Audacity only shows its ports when recording
[03:06] <OvenWerks>  or playing back
[03:06] <OvenWerks>  so to record in audacity put it in pause then revord then make connections the unpause
[03:07] <OvenWerks> *record
[03:07] <studio-user629> I did that and still don't see it in Patchage
[03:08] <studio-user629> wait...
[03:09] <studio-user629> yeah, UA4FX-in is connected to PortAudio, not getting it at Audacity
[03:09] <OvenWerks> it will show as portaudio
[03:10] <OvenWerks> audacity has a different look than when I last used it
[03:10] <studio-user629> Audacity shows system, PulseOut, and Hydrogen as inputs
[03:11] <OvenWerks> Can you connect it with patchage?
[03:12] <studio-user629> I just restarted audacity and now it shows UA4FX as an input
[03:12] <studio-user629> and it records it
[03:13] <OvenWerks> good
[03:13] <studio-user629> OK... thanks!
[03:13] <studio-user629> calling that enough progress for tonight I think
[03:14] <OvenWerks> your welcome
[03:14] <OvenWerks> I will go have supper now I think :)
[03:14] <studio-user629> OK, thanks again
[09:03] <M_aD> Same question as yesterday:  i have a older Lenovo Thinkpad T410 and wonder if it's sufficient to use it for audio/music production
[17:16] <OvenWerks> M_aD: I don't know what a T410 is in particular. "Audio production" is quite vaque too. There is a difference between recording 20 channels of audio in a live situation and using a computer as a live synth. almost anything should be able to handle the first, but setting up to use as a live synth takes more cpu and set up to get good low latency performance.
[17:29] <M_aD> The T410 is a laptop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c5FWKYzdgH/
[17:32] <M_aD> i'd like to use it mostely to work with Ardour, use samples or create own samples to then create tracks combined with yoshimi or zynadd to creat pads and synth sequences
[17:35] <studio-user967> Hi, What is presentation mode?
[20:53] <OvenWerks> M_aD: Honestly I don't know. I do know that there are people on the Linux Audio Users mailing list that have used Thinkpads and may know more about how far they can go. Audio is not about speed so much as stability.
[21:56] <M_aD> OvenWerks: ok, no problem. Thanks anyway. Maybe it's best to just install Ubuntu Studio and see how it goes.
[21:58] <OvenWerks> if you have the laptop already ya, just try it. Even running live from a usb stick.
[21:58] <OvenWerks> You can mount the drive as a place to save projects to.
[22:43] <THEB1GMAN> hello?
[22:46] <THEB1GMAN> Hey guys so I'm trying to install ubuntu studio as a dual boot setup on my windows machine, but it doesn't work. I make the bootable flash drive and get through the installation process until I get to the actual installation type screen where I choose how I'm gonna do my partitions, I select my free space I made (100+gb) and then click the plus icon to make a partition for ubuntu studio to install to but all that happens is 
[22:46] <THEB1GMAN> ons go grey
[22:46] <THEB1GMAN> and it stalls forever
[22:46] <THEB1GMAN> I think the problem may be that I already have 4 primary partitions on my hard drive
[22:47] <THEB1GMAN> buy my hard drive is GPT not MBR (or whatever the old system was called)
[22:47] <THEB1GMAN> So I can have as many partitions as I want up to 128
[22:47] <THEB1GMAN> but for some reason the ubuntu installer still doesn't want to make a new partition, any ideas?