[00:35] <jubo2> Ok. Thanks Dragnslcr and valorie for the info
[00:35] <jubo2> I'll do that now
[00:37] <jubo2> The md5sum matches
[00:38] <jubo2> .. so it is kind of weird the "check disk" utility that shows up in the GRUB menu of the USB stick says one file has an error... and doesn't bother to tell which one
[00:38] <valorie> seems like a bug to me
[00:39] <valorie> it should be checking not the usb but the disk where you are going to install
[00:39] <valorie> imo
[00:39] <valorie> and yes, obv. show what/where the trouble is
[00:44] <jubo2> AAAGGHHH! The trouble with used electronics. I just bought a otherwise nice laptop for 100€ for my friend whose laptop died.. but the Windows 10 activation is not permanent and will expire on 2019-01-01
[00:45] <jubo2> The seller was in the process of wiping her data from it via the very slow way so I just accepted it without being able to check the OS is in ok state and stuck it into my backpack while it was running the data erasing thingy
[00:45] <genii> Doesn't sound like a Kubuntu support problem, jubo2
[00:45] <jubo2> genii: yeah. sorry about that. Not my personal soapbox?
[00:45] <genii> hehe, mostly, yes
[00:47] <jubo2> looks like I can get an OEM CoA for 49€ and make an installer. The laptop did have 8GB RAM and I was prepared to pay the 100€ for it with only 4GB in it, so that almost evens out
[01:32] <Dragnslcr> valorie- I think "check disk" is the old "Check Install Media" test, isn't it?
[01:33] <Dragnslcr> From back when there was a not-so-small chance that burning the CD wouldn't be perfect
[01:41] <kinghat> if you do `ssh server` in krunner and it pops up with a pw field, then what? where am i connected? nothing popped up like terminal or something.
[01:42] <genii> I vaguely remember warnings like "Burn CD at 1X to minimize the possibility of errors"
[03:34] <valorie> kinghat: I don't think I'd do that particular command in krunner without a terminal/konsole
[03:46] <kinghat> valorie: what about "Open files, folders and devices" @ https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Krunner
[03:47] <valorie> what about it?
[03:47] <valorie> works for almost everything
[03:47] <valorie> but I've never ssh'd in anything but a konsole or terminal
[03:48] <valorie> not saying you *can't*
[03:48] <valorie> just that I wouldn't
[03:48] <kinghat> well im just asking because nothing came up
[03:48] <kinghat> i figured it would just pop open a terminal.
[03:49] <valorie> I suppose there is a way to tell it to run a command in a term
[03:49] <valorie> but .... dunno
[03:49] <valorie> I use yakuake with is available to me with one keyclick
[03:49] <kinghat> also, i think krunner tgt words are borked for many of the extensions. i got spell check working by enabling and disabling it many times but no such luck for dictionary.
[03:54] <valorie> the solution for problems like that is to file bug reports
[03:55] <kinghat> are you getting the same?
[03:55] <kinghat> yakuake looks interesting btw
[03:55] <kinghat> ty for the tip
[03:55] <valorie> never tried it
[03:55] <valorie> sec
[03:55] <kinghat> did you build/install it yourself? https://github.com/KDE/yakuake
[03:57] <kinghat> or just get it from the repo?
[04:06] <valorie> from the repos
[04:06] <valorie> as always
[04:06] <valorie> I only build stuff for testing
[04:07] <valorie> not daily use
[04:13] <kinghat> whoa yak is cool
[04:14] <valorie> yak?
[04:14] <kinghat> yakuake*
[04:14] <valorie> indeed!
[04:14] <kinghat> im not going to type that out everytime lol
[04:14] <valorie> you can have multiple tabs too
[04:18] <kinghat> would be cool if you could have a shortcut to expand it from its default height to 100% quickly and then back again.
[04:27] <valorie> mmm, don't think I would ever use that
[04:27] <kinghat> so you can take a peek above really quick. then back
[04:27] <valorie> page up key work
[04:28] <valorie> s
[04:28] <kinghat> you can move expand it down with alt+shift+down but it stays that way from what i can tell
[04:29] <kinghat> does yak autostart or do i have to set it to manually?
[04:29] <kinghat> i didnt see it in the options anywhere
[04:29] <valorie> it always starts for me
[04:29] <kinghat> nice
[04:29] <valorie> don't think I did anything special
[04:29] <kinghat> also, did you remap your meta key to krunner?
[04:30] <valorie> nope
[04:30] <kinghat> or did you leave it set to action launcher?
[04:30] <valorie> alt+space is good
[04:30] <kinghat> i think i may remap it to that
[04:30] <valorie> meta key opens the kmenu
[04:31] <kinghat> trying to use the mouse less. my right shoulder is always killing me.
[04:31] <kinghat> ya kmenu/application launcher*
[04:33] <kinghat> #6: https://zren.github.io/kde/yakuake/
[04:34] <valorie> hmmm, watch the date on that.....
[04:35] <valorie> he bases something on kde3
[04:35] <valorie> that is a *long* time ago
[04:36] <kinghat> sure
[04:36] <kinghat> but the idea is neat
[04:37] <valorie> agreed
[04:38] <kinghat> is it possible to have it go translucent when you click on a different window?
[04:39] <kinghat> like if your on a website and you can move your mouse of it and click the web page, yak is still up but have it fade so you can see behind it?
[04:39] <valorie> you might look at kwin rules for applications
[04:40] <kinghat> like it could be set for just yak and not all apps?
[04:40] <valorie> right-click in the header of any plasma window to get those those special cases
[04:41] <valorie> maybe any kde application too, dunno
[04:41] <kinghat> heh ya doesnt have a title bar.
[04:41] <valorie> yes, any kde application
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[04:42] <valorie> more actions > special application settings
[04:43] <kinghat> no im saying yak doesnt have anything to right click on for those options
[04:45] <kinghat> or maybe i dont know what youre talking about
[04:45] <valorie> ANY kde application
[04:46] <kinghat> wait wait wait. my brain is mush. can we back up?
[04:46] <valorie> hmmm
[04:46] <valorie> it seems you do have to do that in the application you want to fiddle with
[04:46] <kinghat> are we still talking about when i click off of yak i want it to go translucent until i click back on it?
[04:47] <valorie> yes
[04:47] <valorie> dunno how to do that, however I know you can set translucency
[04:47] <valorie> but as to whether you can have it in two states -- that I do not know
[04:48] <valorie> if you click away, it rolls up
[04:48] <valorie> but when it rolls up it doesn't stop working
[04:48] <kinghat> ya i have mine set to not roll up. but would be nice to have it got translucent when i click off it.
[04:48] <valorie> maybe you can do that
[04:48] <valorie> dunno
[04:48] <valorie> #kde might know
[04:49] <kinghat> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lEgpfPXU/image.png
[04:49] <valorie> and there is #yakuake
[04:50] <kinghat> got it working
[04:50] <kinghat> nice
[04:52] <kinghat> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/pkfRs8sk/image.png
[04:52] <kinghat> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/dnDvN0Jw/image.png
[04:52] <valorie> perfect!
[04:54] <kinghat> tyvm for all the help and tips valorie! you are my night angel when the brain goes to mush!
[04:54] <valorie> heh
[04:54] <valorie> you are welcome
[10:23] <jubo2> Morning all
[10:24] <jubo2> What are the advantages and disadvantages of using a swap-file instead of a swap-disk
[10:27] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:27] <diogenes_> jubo2, i don't see any advantage or disadvantage, i'd say that swap partition is somewaht more secure than the swap file
[10:29] <lordievader> Main advantage, I think, is that a file is easier to move. That said, I don't like swap-files, this advantage fades away when using LVM.
[10:29] <lordievader> Additionally, swap-files are likely slower.
[10:29] <jubo2> ok, thanks for info lordievader and diogenes_
[10:30] <jubo2> I got a used laptop for Xmas gift... and it came with a Windows 10 that is gonna expire. My friend wants both Kubuntu and Win 10. Trying to figure out if I should install the Win 10 or the Kubuntu first
[10:31] <jubo2> both directions are feasible from what I'm reading/browsing
[10:32] <lordievader> Windows 10 that is going to expire? Since when do those licenses expire?
[10:32] <jubo2> The current Windows has like gazillion partitions.. probably in order to make installing Linux very difficult. So I'm making a Win 10 installation media. For this I'm using the tool that MSFT provides. I also have the .iso-image I downloaded
[10:32] <lordievader> Allways Windows first, Windows doesn't like Grub.
[10:32] <lordievader> This might be less true, now with UEFI.
[10:32] <jubo2> lordievader: It is activated using some corporate system with expiry time
[10:33] <jubo2> lordievader: from what I'm reading the Win 10 installer will nuke GRUB outta existence, but it can be fixed with a bootable Kubuntu stick
[10:34] <lordievader> It won't nuke it. It will override the bootsector part with its own bootloader (on BIOS systems, that is).
[10:34] <jubo2> you are right lordievader
[11:21] <jubo2> hmmm... win 10 installer wants to make 4 primary partitions and that is the max that the MBR can handle
[11:23] <jubo2> This https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/322695/more-than-4-partitions-with-ubuntu-windows-dual-boot suggests to either convert the main partition to en "extended partition" or to use GPT that supports 128 partitions. Which one should I do? Can I convert the main partition to an extended partition when I install Kubuntu after the Win 10 installation?
[11:29] <jubo2> Hold on.
[11:29] <jubo2> I think the disk is already using GPT since it had like 7 or 8 partitions
[11:52] <lordievader> jubo2: Does the laptop support uefi?
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:49] <jubo2> y0
[13:50] <jubo2> got 8GB of RAM on this one laptop. How large to make the swapfile?
[13:50] <jubo2> I was thinking of 4GB, but then again most systems grind to a halt at around 2GB swap usage
[13:50] <jubo2> so maybe 3GB?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> jubo2, how large is your / ?,  Make it a bit larger than /
[13:52] <Tm_T> no
[13:52] <jubo2> I used the automatic resizing so / is the only partition for Kubuntu
[13:53] <jubo2> If one makes a small / and a big /home then the stuff that accumulates in /usr/local fills up the /
[13:53] <Tm_T> jubo2: it all depends what you are doing with it, sometimes there's valid reason to have swap slightly bigger than your ram
[13:53] <Tm_T> but in general there shouldn't need for bigger swap than 4 GiB
[13:54] <jubo2> This will be just a laptop for my friend.. He mostly browses the web and streams media
[13:54] <Tm_T> jubo2: hibernation in use? if yes, then swap needs to be at least the size of ram
[13:55] <Tm_T> if not, then max 4 GiB I'd say
[13:55] <Tm_T> even that might be excessive
[13:56] <Tm_T> jubo2: you can also use this as reference https://itsfoss.com/swap-size/
[13:57] <jubo2> Tm_T: Probably just sleep in RAM. He doesn't move much
[14:06] <lordievader> With 8Gb you might even consider not doing swap at all. But again, it depends on the usage.
[14:10] <jubo2> I would like to encourage my young friend to start to learn to code. Any suggestions what lang/IDE/whatevs to install?
[14:12] <Tm_T> jubo2: https://grasshopper.codes
[14:14] <lordievader> Blegh, JavaScript. I'd start with Python. It has a low entry level and can still be used when you are more 'advanced'.
[14:15] <jubo2> lordievader: yeah.. python is pretty cool
[14:15] <jubo2> I use it just to do calculations though
[14:15] <Talltree> hey guys, i have a problem configuring network printers... when the user specifies grayscale, it still prints in color. sure i can change the cups standard settings, but i would like to allow the user to specify the color mode...
[14:15] <jubo2> If appropriate software development is the task, my brain is just wired very badly for that
[14:15] <Dragnslcr> I remember having that problem, too
[14:16] <Dragnslcr> What program are you printing from?
[14:16] <Talltree> Dragnslcr: doesnt matter, every program has that error, firefox opera libreoffice writer, the pdf viewer
[14:17] <Dragnslcr> It might be this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=368758
[14:17] <Dragnslcr> Not sure offhand if that only applies to PDF files and/or Okular
[14:18] <Dragnslcr> Pretty sure the workaround mentioned in that bug report (about "force rasterization") worked for me
[14:19] <Dragnslcr> I have to head out. Hopefully that will work for you.
[14:20] <Talltree> thank you, i have to localize that setting into my language and find it to know for sure.
[14:28] <jubo2> Ok.. turns out the Kubuntu installer made a /swapfile of 2GB in size
[14:28] <jubo2> So I'm not going to mess with that
[14:28] <jubo2> most systems screech to a halt before they hit 2GB of swap usage anyways
[14:33] <jubo2> uh oh.. WIn 10 still thinks the C:\-partition is the size it was before resize. Not a Kubuntu problem.. I gonna search for a method to get the stupid Windows to realize the partition no longer is that size
[14:42] <jubo2> sorted
[14:47] <jubo2> Tm_T: I installed that Grasshopper on my phone. Gonna try to look at it at some point. Also installed Learn Python. If anyone has more suggestions for what things could help learn coding, keep 'em coming
[15:03] <Talltree> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=368758 confirmed for me, anyone know a method to make force rasterization the standard option?
[15:09] <jubo2> After mounting a ntfs partition with ntfs-config I'm seeing a negative disk usage with df. For some reason df sees the ntfs-partition to be the size it was before I resized it down to make way for Kubuntu
[15:09] <jubo2> this cannot be healthy
[15:10] <Talltree> sounds like a faulty drive
[15:10] <jubo2> Windows 10 sees the true size after I run some disk utility on it.. But looking from Kubuntu the NTFS-volume usage reads -139GB
[15:12] <Talltree> try to repair the GPT table
[15:14] <jubo2> Talltree: how do I do that?
[15:15] <Talltree> http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/repairing.html
[15:16] <Talltree> could be the problem, i dunno tho, try it :D
[15:17] <jubo2> Uhh.. documentation from 2011
[15:21] <jubo2> gparted sees the true size of the partition
[15:26] <jubo2> Everything seems to be in order in GPT, just df is seeing negative usage on the NTFS partition
[15:30] <Talltree> no idea then.
[15:48] <Captain_Haddock> Hi, I have gmail enabled in Firefox to send desktop notifications. This works well. However, how do I enable sound for these notifications? I do see the "Configure Event Notifications and Actions" dialog, but I don't see any entry for Firefox specifically.
[15:48] <Captain_Haddock> (I don't want sounds for all notification events.)
[23:53] <LinuxTor> Hi, I have Kubuntu 18.04 LTS. I want to upgrade to the latest version. I tried updating from Muon package manager but it fails. IS there any other way to update?