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sergiusenskenvandine I cannot seem to reproduce https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hfPaG2Gv/00:42
kenvandinesergiusens: could it have anything to do with my own override of the meson plugin?00:43
kenvandinei had one that i've since removed00:43
sergiusensmaybe, if you apt install build-depends for a package, you might end up with meson00:43
kenvandinei don't do that00:44
kenvandinebut i had x-meson.py00:44
kenvandinethat just added some env stuff00:44
kenvandinebut i don't need it anymore00:44
kenvandinesergiusens: i'll try to reproduce it with that tomorrow00:47
didrocksgood morning06:43
dufluHello didrocks. Come here often?07:14
didrocksduflu: hey! Once in a while ;)07:15
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers08:02
didrockssalut oSoMoN, ça va ?08:03
oSoMoNdidrocks, ça va!08:03
oSoMoNet toi?08:03
dufluo/  oSoMoN08:05
oSoMoNgood afternoon duflu08:05
didrocksoSoMoN: ça va bien :)08:06
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seb128good morning desktopers08:43
oSoMoNsalut seb128, ça va ?08:43
seb128lut oSoMoN, ça va ! et toi ?08:44
oSoMoNça va08:45
dufluHi seb12808:45
seb128hey duflu, how are you?08:46
dufluseb128, not great but OK. You?08:46
seb128I'm fine, a bit tired and a bit of cold, the usual nowadays...08:47
dufluWelcome to December08:47
seb128yeah08:50
seb128duflu, https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio/commit/?id=475acc95 looks wrong to me08:50
seb128the lintian warning is buggy in this case and fine to ignore imho08:50
dufluseb128, I thought archive builds failed on such errors?08:51
seb128no08:51
seb128lintian is just informative08:51
dufluOh well, different packages, different errors08:51
seb128no need to bother redoing things now08:51
seb128but for the next merge08:51
dufluseb128, well those entries weren't really there before. I only added them at your suggestion08:51
seb128right, I still think it's better to have them08:52
seb128like I would include them in the .changes before uploads so update-manager/the mailing list would describe the debian changes we merged08:53
seb128duflu, 2ubuntu0 also is a weird revision, we usually start at 108:53
seb128e.g 2ubuntu108:53
seb128but that's fine for this time, again no need to redo work08:54
dufluseb128, oh, I checked and there was precedent for 008:54
seb128weird, could have been for a SRU?08:54
Laneyyo09:02
dufluLaney: <nod>09:04
seb128hey Laney09:06
seb128how are you?09:06
oSoMoNyo Laney09:08
andyrockgood morning!09:11
dufluMorning andyrock09:12
seb128hey andyrock! how are you?09:15
andyrockseb128: getting ready to go to the office09:15
Laneyhey duflu seb128 oSoMoN andyrock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!09:15
seb128nice09:15
seb128Laney, that sounds like a good tuesday's start, full of energy :)09:16
* andyrock forgot to charge phone during the night and he's waiting for it09:16
LaneyI'm alright, had a nice climbing session last night09:16
Laneyand now TEA09:16
Laneyyou?09:16
Laneycan't believe you still have that cold09:16
seb128yeah, it was fine a few day and I think I got another virus :/09:17
seb128it start going better again09:17
didrockshey andyrock & Laney09:18
Laneymoin didrocks09:18
Laneyhow's the france?09:19
didrockscold, but blue sky ;)09:19
didrocksso overall very nice :p09:19
willcookeHi all10:07
willcookeTrain is late.  Stood in the freezing cold for 20 mins :(10:07
willcookeGood news is that the wifi connected on the train first try.10:07
willcookecc oSoMoN ^ so far so good10:07
seb128hey willcooke10:08
seb128I hope you are not next on the "get an annoying cold" list10:08
willcookeThat was last week :)10:09
Laneythey told me the flu shot takes 2-3 weeks to become effective10:09
Laneystill time to be struck down 😈10:09
willcookeSo my superpowers should be coming through any minute10:09
seb128is the flu 'out' yet? like do they know if they targetted the right virus variant this year?10:10
seb128since that's mostly guess work and not always spot on10:10
willcookeThe flu shots are out, so I guess they must have done the guess work already10:11
seb128right, it doesn't mean they guessed right10:11
willcookeheh10:11
willcookevery true10:11
Laney:-O10:11
Laneyis there some kind of stats showing how well it worked each year?10:11
dufluMorning willcooke10:11
dufluBTW, this is nuts -> bug 180544410:11
ubot5bug 1805444 in mutter (Ubuntu) "[nvidia] Fail to launch gnome-shell (Wayland) on Ubuntu with EGLDevice backend" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180544410:11
didrocksnot even sure they are looking for stats ;)10:12
seb128Laney, random google hit, http://time.com/5138100/how-effective-is-the-2018-flu-shot/10:12
seb128"Early findings from Canada indicate a 17 percent effectiveness"10:13
didrocks /o\10:13
seb128well it's a bit misleading to copy that only, they said it reduces from 40 to 60% the risk to get the flu10:14
willcookeduflu, blimey, that is a tangled web indeed10:14
dufluAt least it now explains everything I see10:14
seb128maybe I should reconsider my position and decide it's useful thing to do10:15
willcookeAll the school kids get one up the nose now10:16
willcookeoh, not all of them years 0 -> 510:16
willcookeand kids with asthma10:16
willcookeThis is quite good: https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2018/09/13/flu-vaccination-what-you-need-to-know-about-this-years-programme/10:16
Laneydon't think I've ever had the proper flu10:17
Laneysomeone told me the difference between a bad cold and the flu is, if you look out of your window and see £20 on the floor10:17
Laneywhether you can be arsed to go and pick it up10:17
willcookeI had it once, I think.  It was mad.  Big fever, crazy dreams, couldnt get out of bed10:17
seb128haha10:17
Laneyon that basis I'd rather not get it /o\10:18
seb128what I had in January for going to CapeTown looked like it to me, first time I felt that down10:18
seb128right :)10:18
Laney:<10:18
* Laney hugs past seb128 10:18
* seb128 hugs Laney back10:18
willcookeduflu, so Disco will be fixed fixed soon?  And then Bionic later, but we need to do MIRs etc?10:18
seb128that was not a nice trip10:18
willcooke:(10:18
dufluwillcooke, I think that means disco and cosmic don't need any fixes, so long as they stay on 3.30. If we move to 3.32 then new fixes are required10:19
willcookeIf you'd have been going to America they might have picked you up on those IR cameras and not let you in10:19
willcookeduflu, do we need to MIR the nvidia bits?10:19
dufluwillcooke, yes but it's not in universe yet, AND there's a file conflict with the nvidia drivers that Timo/someone has to work out yet10:20
dufluAlso, I am tempted to hack up a patch that eliminates the need for the new build dep (as it was and working in previous versions)10:20
willcookeduflu, got it.  Is getting it in to universe on us or someone else?10:20
dufluwillcooke, it's already queued https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/disco/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=10:21
willcookeoh, cool!10:21
tjaaltonduflu: the files are dropped from nvidia driver, and egl-wayland on the queue should properly replace the old driver10:21
* willcooke is going underground10:22
willcookebbiab10:22
duflutjaalton, thanks. That gets us closer to a clean solution that doesn't require upstream changes10:22
dufluwhich I didn't even know was an option till today10:22
willcookeback10:46
willcookeLondon is looking nice today10:46
amurraywillcooke: thanks again for your help with freerdp2 yesterday :)10:47
willcookehey amurray, no worries, happy to help.10:47
willcookeIn related news, getting xrdp working is a mess10:48
willcookeserver side that is10:48
amurraywillcooke: I tested it against my wife's Windows 7 machine which was thankfully pretty painless - sorry you had to do the hard yards10:48
amurraywillcooke: if you have any notes re: xrdp I'd be keen to try and replicate it10:49
willcookeamurray, darn it - I should have tried against the windows machine.  Didnt think of that :)10:49
willcookeI found some instructions online to work around the problems, but I think we need to look at it in a bit more depth. That said vino is the choice of tech for remote desktop, and that works well10:55
willcookeso... not a priority10:55
willcookeIf Reminna can control Windows, that's good10:56
andyrockseb128: I'm taking a look at the gnome-control-center issue13:57
seb128andyrock, which one?13:58
seb128the report without retracing?13:58
andyrockseb128:  the increase in error rates13:58
andyrockit's something about cc_panel_get_permission13:58
andyrocklet me see if it's something obvious that can be fixed in little time13:59
seb128andyrock, well, Brian replied that the increase decreased and it's fine14:00
seb128but yeah, if we have a new bug it would be nice to fix it14:00
andyrockseb128: also https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/merge_requests/50#note_383341 has some screenshot of the new dialog for gnome-software14:02
gitbotGNOME issue (Merge request) 50 in gnome-software "auth: Use gnome-online-accounts to handle the authentication" [Opened]14:02
seb128andyrock, looks nice :)14:07
seb128good work!14:07
seb128ok, already that time of the day!14:30
seb128#startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2018-12-1114:30
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didrockshey14:31
seb128Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN (out), tkamppeter,  robert_ancell (out)14:31
Laneyhi14:31
jbichahowdy 🤠14:32
seb128The weekly updates are on https://community.ubuntu.com/t/monday-10th-december/900514:32
seb128let's do bugs reviews14:32
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:32
seb128no item for us there14:32
kenvandineo/14:32
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:32
seb128some accepted/not fix commited/without owner14:33
seb128https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gjs/+bug/180327114:33
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1803271 in gjs (Ubuntu Bionic) "[regression] Much higher CPU during some gnome-shell operations" [Medium,Triaged]14:33
seb128looks like the fix is the incoming 1.52.514:34
seb128does anyone want to own that SRU?14:34
seb128if not I'm going to assign Marco, seems he has been working upstream on preparing the release14:35
Laneyyes, the original assignee?14:35
seb128I guess let's do that14:35
seb128Daniel?14:35
Laneylooks like that's who it was initially14:36
seb128k, let me assign to him14:36
seb128he can do trade with marco if he wants14:36
seb128https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-desktop3/+bug/180712714:36
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1807127 in gnome-desktop3 (Ubuntu Cosmic) "Fixing bug #1795668 breaks thumbnail creation on 32-bit Ubuntu" [Critical,Triaged]14:36
seb128Laney, do you own that one?14:36
Laneydunno, if you read my status I asked Jeremy if he would take care of uploading14:36
jbichaseb128: yes, I am working on the gnome-desktop one14:37
seb128ah, right14:37
seb128jbicha, please take the bugs assignment then14:37
seb128thx14:37
seb128(sorry, I did read that bit but forgot the detail)14:37
seb128https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/180771914:37
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1807719 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu Cosmic) "Some emoji in emoji chooser are black & white" [Low,In progress]14:37
jbichaI need to work with Security for the uploads14:37
seb128jbicha, I guess that's for you as well?14:37
jbichayes14:37
seb128also please don't nominate bugs without assignement14:37
seb128either rls tag or nominate/assign to yourself directly if that's what you plan to do14:38
jbichasure, I meant to self-nominate for the gtk3 one14:38
seb128k14:38
seb128thx14:38
seb128ah, also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/178159714:38
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1781597 in network-manager (Ubuntu Bionic) "[SRU] WoWLAN settings are not supported" [Wishlist,Triaged]14:38
seb128I take that one, I uploaded to disco/cosmic, bionic SRU is ongoing work14:39
seb128kenvandine, you said previous week you would take https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-desktop-portal-gtk/+bug/1750069 but didn't? :(14:39
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1750069 in xdg-desktop-portal-gtk (Ubuntu Bionic) "[MIR] xdg-desktop-portal-gtk" [Undecided,New]14:39
seb128k, that's it for bionic14:40
kenvandinewhoops14:40
kenvandinethought i had14:40
kenvandinesorry14:40
kenvandinei've been working on it :)14:40
seb128np, thx for fixing :)14:40
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:40
seb128no desktop there14:40
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:40
seb128the gtk & gnome-desktop ones we just discussed are the only ones14:41
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:41
seb128https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/179738114:41
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1797381 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "In tablet mode, step "Who are you" OSK hides when the passwordd field is focused" [High,Incomplete]14:41
seb128opinion on +1/-1?14:42
seb128touch only isn't common and it's probalby easy to workaround (I didn't test but I guess you can swipe up invoke the keyboard)14:42
seb128but at the same time touch support is becoming more important especially for oem14:43
Laneydunno, but I don't like the suggested solution :-)14:43
seb128I would say -1/rls-not-fixing, we can still have a go at fixing it (and it's assigned)14:43
kenvandineseb128: i recently witnessed a user of an all in one with a blue tooth keyboard14:44
Laney"osk is completly broken under xorg" is not a situation that upstream would want either14:44
kenvandinehe was using the touch screen with the keyboard turned off14:44
kenvandinethat would be inconvenient to turn on the keyboard to work around that14:44
seb128can you swipe up the osk though?14:44
seb128or is that also not working?14:45
kenvandinei think you can14:45
kenvandinethe example i have was a windows user :)14:45
seb128Laney, yeah, I talked a bit about Carlos about that, doesn't really a focus for them though :/14:45
seb128anyway14:45
seb128+1/-1?14:45
Laney-1 is ok for me14:45
Laneyit'll come back by other routes if oems want it14:46
seb128right14:46
didrocksagreed14:46
seb128the other one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/180585714:47
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1805857 in network-manager (Ubuntu Disco) "network-manager dep8 failure blocks dnsmasq proposed migration" [High,Triaged]14:47
seb128which needs to get its tag deleted, I'm doing that now14:47
Laneythx14:47
seb128I updated n-m to 1.12.6, that didn't automagically resolve the issue :/14:47
Laneyyeah, guess I get to look again14:47
LaneyI am seriously clueless here though, going to take some time14:47
popeyoSoMoN: hey! Run "snap find" and you'll see Libreoffice is the longest "summary" of all the featured snaps. I wonder if there might be too many words in that summary, and it could be shortened a bit to fit on a display less than 3000 pixels wide :D14:48
seb128I'm having a look/might try to just throw that in the air on #nm in case it rings a bell upstream14:48
Laneyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/180544414:48
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1805444 in mutter (Ubuntu) "[nvidia] Fail to launch gnome-shell (Wayland) on Ubuntu with EGLDevice backend" [Medium,Fix released]14:48
Laneythis one didn't show up14:48
Laneythat's probably because the task is fix released14:49
Laneywonder if we should ask if foundations can fix the report to show those bugs14:49
seb128do you want to do take the item to ask them about that?14:49
seb128(if not I can)14:49
Laneyk, unless you think that sync meeting you have is a better venue14:50
seb128I think it's probably easier to ask Brian first if he can do that14:50
Laneyk14:50
seb128rather than going up-and-down chains14:50
seb128thx14:50
Laneysometimes chains work for getting people to work on stuff :-)14:51
seb128so back to this bug14:51
seb128right :)14:51
seb128well, I put a note for it14:51
Laneyk14:51
Laneyanyway, not sure making wayland work on bionic is an rls goal?14:52
seb128if nothing moves before eoy I raise it up post holidays14:52
seb128right, it's not14:52
seb128nvidia asked about egl support though14:52
seb128but again, we can say no and it can come back via customer escalation if needed14:53
seb128so I vote -1 for today14:53
Laneyyup14:53
seb128thx14:54
seb128doing that then14:54
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:54
seb128is clear14:54
seb128so I think that's it for rls bugs14:54
seb128Laney, your turn for https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages14:54
Laneyk, ongoing transition should clear out a lot of those14:55
Laneyn-m and sane are the only things to care about I think14:55
Laneypinged on that sane-backends bug, really unclear what the problem is14:55
Laneyand nm is being worked14:55
Laneyso I think it's ok more or less14:55
seb128the sane-backend one is a bit ridiculous :/14:56
seb128thx Laney14:57
seb128#topic AOB14:57
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seb128other topics?14:57
didrocksnothing for me14:58
kenvandinenothing here14:58
seb128ok14:58
seb128well, good one team14:58
seb128have a good holidays for those who are off before the next meeting14:59
seb128try to relax and enjoy the time off and recharge for the next year :)14:59
seb128#endmeeting14:59
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Dec 11 14:59:32 2018 UTC.14:59
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-12-11-14.30.moin.txt14:59
didrocksthx!14:59
willcookethanks everyone15:12
willcookesorry, a_ndyrock and I were in a meeting15:12
seb128good meeting I hope :)15:13
willcookeit was great!15:17
willcookeWe  all got icecream at the end15:17
seb128:)15:18
seb128the way it should be!15:18
mptandyrock, a couple weeks ago I saw a bug report from someone who upgraded 18.04 → 18.10 and didn’t know why Livepatch had disappeared. Do you remember where that was? I can’t find it on Launchpad.15:25
kenvandinewillcooke: meeting15:31
seb128mpt, andyrock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/179931015:33
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1799310 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "No warning when upgrading OS will turn off Livepatch" [Medium,Confirmed]15:33
seb128mpt, you reported it :p15:33
mptDarn, my cover is blown15:35
mptThanks seb128 :-)15:37
seb128np!15:37
andyrockXD15:40
willcookekenvandine, I declined the meeting today, do you need me for anytihng?15:41
willcooke(sorry, was away from computer)15:41
kenvandinewillcooke: sorry, missed that15:41
kenvandinewe are done15:41
willcooke\o/15:41
willcookeHope you got icecream15:41
kenvandinelol15:41
kenvandinewillcooke: try snap-store today... you'll see more snaps per category :)15:41
willcookewooot!15:41
kenvandinethe store team landed that last night15:42
willcookenice, works good!15:44
popeykenvandine: yay!15:54
seb128woot, poppler to disco email \o/16:35
Laney|o|16:37
seb128andyrock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1807900 might be interesting to you16:39
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1807900 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager suggests to use Livepatch, which is not available" [Low,Confirmed]16:39
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andyrockseb128: I'll add it to the list I need to do for livepatch17:59
andyrock*todo list18:00
seb128andyrock, thx18:35
seb128night20:52

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