[00:42] <sergiusens> kenvandine I cannot seem to reproduce https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hfPaG2Gv/
[00:43] <kenvandine> sergiusens: could it have anything to do with my own override of the meson plugin?
[00:43] <kenvandine> i had one that i've since removed
[00:43] <sergiusens> maybe, if you apt install build-depends for a package, you might end up with meson
[00:44] <kenvandine> i don't do that
[00:44] <kenvandine> but i had x-meson.py
[00:44] <kenvandine> that just added some env stuff
[00:44] <kenvandine> but i don't need it anymore
[00:47] <kenvandine> sergiusens: i'll try to reproduce it with that tomorrow
[06:43] <didrocks> good morning
[07:14] <duflu> Hello didrocks. Come here often?
[07:15] <didrocks> duflu: hey! Once in a while ;)
[08:02] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:03] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, ça va ?
[08:03] <oSoMoN> didrocks, ça va!
[08:03] <oSoMoN> et toi?
[08:05] <duflu> o/  oSoMoN
[08:05] <oSoMoN> good afternoon duflu
[08:06] <didrocks> oSoMoN: ça va bien :)
[08:43] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:43] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, ça va ?
[08:44] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, ça va ! et toi ?
[08:45] <oSoMoN> ça va
[08:45] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:46] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[08:46] <duflu> seb128, not great but OK. You?
[08:47] <seb128> I'm fine, a bit tired and a bit of cold, the usual nowadays...
[08:47] <duflu> Welcome to December
[08:50] <seb128> yeah
[08:50] <seb128> duflu, https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio/commit/?id=475acc95 looks wrong to me
[08:50] <seb128> the lintian warning is buggy in this case and fine to ignore imho
[08:51] <duflu> seb128, I thought archive builds failed on such errors?
[08:51] <seb128> no
[08:51] <seb128> lintian is just informative
[08:51] <duflu> Oh well, different packages, different errors
[08:51] <seb128> no need to bother redoing things now
[08:51] <seb128> but for the next merge
[08:51] <duflu> seb128, well those entries weren't really there before. I only added them at your suggestion
[08:52] <seb128> right, I still think it's better to have them
[08:53] <seb128> like I would include them in the .changes before uploads so update-manager/the mailing list would describe the debian changes we merged
[08:53] <seb128> duflu, 2ubuntu0 also is a weird revision, we usually start at 1
[08:53] <seb128> e.g 2ubuntu1
[08:54] <seb128> but that's fine for this time, again no need to redo work
[08:54] <duflu> seb128, oh, I checked and there was precedent for 0
[08:54] <seb128> weird, could have been for a SRU?
[09:02] <Laney> yo
[09:04] <duflu> Laney: <nod>
[09:06] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:06] <seb128> how are you?
[09:08] <oSoMoN> yo Laney
[09:11] <andyrock> good morning!
[09:12] <duflu> Morning andyrock
[09:15] <seb128> hey andyrock! how are you?
[09:15] <andyrock> seb128: getting ready to go to the office
[09:15] <Laney> hey duflu seb128 oSoMoN andyrock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:15] <seb128> nice
[09:16] <seb128> Laney, that sounds like a good tuesday's start, full of energy :)
[09:16]  * andyrock forgot to charge phone during the night and he's waiting for it
[09:16] <Laney> I'm alright, had a nice climbing session last night
[09:16] <Laney> and now TEA
[09:16] <Laney> you?
[09:16] <Laney> can't believe you still have that cold
[09:17] <seb128> yeah, it was fine a few day and I think I got another virus :/
[09:17] <seb128> it start going better again
[09:18] <didrocks> hey andyrock & Laney
[09:18] <Laney> moin didrocks
[09:19] <Laney> how's the france?
[09:19] <didrocks> cold, but blue sky ;)
[09:19] <didrocks> so overall very nice :p
[10:07] <willcooke> Hi all
[10:07] <willcooke> Train is late.  Stood in the freezing cold for 20 mins :(
[10:07] <willcooke> Good news is that the wifi connected on the train first try.
[10:07] <willcooke> cc oSoMoN ^ so far so good
[10:08] <seb128> hey willcooke
[10:08] <seb128> I hope you are not next on the "get an annoying cold" list
[10:09] <willcooke> That was last week :)
[10:09] <Laney> they told me the flu shot takes 2-3 weeks to become effective
[10:09] <Laney> still time to be struck down 😈
[10:09] <willcooke> So my superpowers should be coming through any minute
[10:10] <seb128> is the flu 'out' yet? like do they know if they targetted the right virus variant this year?
[10:10] <seb128> since that's mostly guess work and not always spot on
[10:11] <willcooke> The flu shots are out, so I guess they must have done the guess work already
[10:11] <seb128> right, it doesn't mean they guessed right
[10:11] <willcooke> heh
[10:11] <willcooke> very true
[10:11] <Laney> :-O
[10:11] <Laney> is there some kind of stats showing how well it worked each year?
[10:11] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[10:11] <duflu> BTW, this is nuts -> bug 1805444
[10:12] <didrocks> not even sure they are looking for stats ;)
[10:12] <seb128> Laney, random google hit, http://time.com/5138100/how-effective-is-the-2018-flu-shot/
[10:13] <seb128> "Early findings from Canada indicate a 17 percent effectiveness"
[10:13] <didrocks>  /o\
[10:14] <seb128> well it's a bit misleading to copy that only, they said it reduces from 40 to 60% the risk to get the flu
[10:14] <willcooke> duflu, blimey, that is a tangled web indeed
[10:14] <duflu> At least it now explains everything I see
[10:15] <seb128> maybe I should reconsider my position and decide it's useful thing to do
[10:16] <willcooke> All the school kids get one up the nose now
[10:16] <willcooke> oh, not all of them years 0 -> 5
[10:16] <willcooke> and kids with asthma
[10:16] <willcooke> This is quite good: https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2018/09/13/flu-vaccination-what-you-need-to-know-about-this-years-programme/
[10:17] <Laney> don't think I've ever had the proper flu
[10:17] <Laney> someone told me the difference between a bad cold and the flu is, if you look out of your window and see £20 on the floor
[10:17] <Laney> whether you can be arsed to go and pick it up
[10:17] <willcooke> I had it once, I think.  It was mad.  Big fever, crazy dreams, couldnt get out of bed
[10:17] <seb128> haha
[10:18] <Laney> on that basis I'd rather not get it /o\
[10:18] <seb128> what I had in January for going to CapeTown looked like it to me, first time I felt that down
[10:18] <seb128> right :)
[10:18] <Laney> :<
[10:18]  * Laney hugs past seb128 
[10:18]  * seb128 hugs Laney back
[10:18] <willcooke> duflu, so Disco will be fixed fixed soon?  And then Bionic later, but we need to do MIRs etc?
[10:18] <seb128> that was not a nice trip
[10:18] <willcooke> :(
[10:19] <duflu> willcooke, I think that means disco and cosmic don't need any fixes, so long as they stay on 3.30. If we move to 3.32 then new fixes are required
[10:19] <willcooke> If you'd have been going to America they might have picked you up on those IR cameras and not let you in
[10:19] <willcooke> duflu, do we need to MIR the nvidia bits?
[10:20] <duflu> willcooke, yes but it's not in universe yet, AND there's a file conflict with the nvidia drivers that Timo/someone has to work out yet
[10:20] <duflu> Also, I am tempted to hack up a patch that eliminates the need for the new build dep (as it was and working in previous versions)
[10:20] <willcooke> duflu, got it.  Is getting it in to universe on us or someone else?
[10:21] <duflu> willcooke, it's already queued https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/disco/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=
[10:21] <willcooke> oh, cool!
[10:21] <tjaalton> duflu: the files are dropped from nvidia driver, and egl-wayland on the queue should properly replace the old driver
[10:22]  * willcooke is going underground
[10:22] <willcooke> bbiab
[10:22] <duflu> tjaalton, thanks. That gets us closer to a clean solution that doesn't require upstream changes
[10:22] <duflu> which I didn't even know was an option till today
[10:46] <willcooke> back
[10:46] <willcooke> London is looking nice today
[10:47] <amurray> willcooke: thanks again for your help with freerdp2 yesterday :)
[10:47] <willcooke> hey amurray, no worries, happy to help.
[10:48] <willcooke> In related news, getting xrdp working is a mess
[10:48] <willcooke> server side that is
[10:48] <amurray> willcooke: I tested it against my wife's Windows 7 machine which was thankfully pretty painless - sorry you had to do the hard yards
[10:49] <amurray> willcooke: if you have any notes re: xrdp I'd be keen to try and replicate it
[10:49] <willcooke> amurray, darn it - I should have tried against the windows machine.  Didnt think of that :)
[10:55] <willcooke> I found some instructions online to work around the problems, but I think we need to look at it in a bit more depth. That said vino is the choice of tech for remote desktop, and that works well
[10:55] <willcooke> so... not a priority
[10:56] <willcooke> If Reminna can control Windows, that's good
[13:57] <andyrock> seb128: I'm taking a look at the gnome-control-center issue
[13:58] <seb128> andyrock, which one?
[13:58] <seb128> the report without retracing?
[13:58] <andyrock> seb128:  the increase in error rates
[13:58] <andyrock> it's something about cc_panel_get_permission
[13:59] <andyrock> let me see if it's something obvious that can be fixed in little time
[14:00] <seb128> andyrock, well, Brian replied that the increase decreased and it's fine
[14:00] <seb128> but yeah, if we have a new bug it would be nice to fix it
[14:02] <andyrock> seb128: also https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/merge_requests/50#note_383341 has some screenshot of the new dialog for gnome-software
[14:02] <gitbot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 50 in gnome-software "auth: Use gnome-online-accounts to handle the authentication" [Opened]
[14:07] <seb128> andyrock, looks nice :)
[14:07] <seb128> good work!
[14:30] <seb128> ok, already that time of the day!
[14:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2018-12-11
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec 11 14:30:44 2018 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:31] <didrocks> hey
[14:31] <seb128> 	Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN (out), tkamppeter,  robert_ancell (out)
[14:31] <Laney> hi
[14:32] <jbicha> howdy 🤠
[14:32] <seb128> The weekly updates are on https://community.ubuntu.com/t/monday-10th-december/9005
[14:32] <seb128> let's do bugs reviews
[14:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:32] <seb128> no item for us there
[14:32] <kenvandine> o/
[14:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:33] <seb128> some accepted/not fix commited/without owner
[14:33] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gjs/+bug/1803271
[14:34] <seb128> looks like the fix is the incoming 1.52.5
[14:34] <seb128> does anyone want to own that SRU?
[14:35] <seb128> if not I'm going to assign Marco, seems he has been working upstream on preparing the release
[14:35] <Laney> yes, the original assignee?
[14:35] <seb128> I guess let's do that
[14:35] <seb128> Daniel?
[14:36] <Laney> looks like that's who it was initially
[14:36] <seb128> k, let me assign to him
[14:36] <seb128> he can do trade with marco if he wants
[14:36] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-desktop3/+bug/1807127
[14:36] <seb128> Laney, do you own that one?
[14:36] <Laney> dunno, if you read my status I asked Jeremy if he would take care of uploading
[14:37] <jbicha> seb128: yes, I am working on the gnome-desktop one
[14:37] <seb128> ah, right
[14:37] <seb128> jbicha, please take the bugs assignment then
[14:37] <seb128> thx
[14:37] <seb128> (sorry, I did read that bit but forgot the detail)
[14:37] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1807719
[14:37] <jbicha> I need to work with Security for the uploads
[14:37] <seb128> jbicha, I guess that's for you as well?
[14:37] <jbicha> yes
[14:37] <seb128> also please don't nominate bugs without assignement
[14:38] <seb128> either rls tag or nominate/assign to yourself directly if that's what you plan to do
[14:38] <jbicha> sure, I meant to self-nominate for the gtk3 one
[14:38] <seb128> k
[14:38] <seb128> thx
[14:38] <seb128> ah, also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1781597
[14:39] <seb128> I take that one, I uploaded to disco/cosmic, bionic SRU is ongoing work
[14:39] <seb128> kenvandine, you said previous week you would take https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-desktop-portal-gtk/+bug/1750069 but didn't? :(
[14:40] <seb128> k, that's it for bionic
[14:40] <kenvandine> whoops
[14:40] <kenvandine> thought i had
[14:40] <kenvandine> sorry
[14:40] <kenvandine> i've been working on it :)
[14:40] <seb128> np, thx for fixing :)
[14:40] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:40] <seb128> no desktop there
[14:40] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:41] <seb128> the gtk & gnome-desktop ones we just discussed are the only ones
[14:41] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:41] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1797381
[14:42] <seb128> opinion on +1/-1?
[14:42] <seb128> touch only isn't common and it's probalby easy to workaround (I didn't test but I guess you can swipe up invoke the keyboard)
[14:43] <seb128> but at the same time touch support is becoming more important especially for oem
[14:43] <Laney> dunno, but I don't like the suggested solution :-)
[14:43] <seb128> I would say -1/rls-not-fixing, we can still have a go at fixing it (and it's assigned)
[14:44] <kenvandine> seb128: i recently witnessed a user of an all in one with a blue tooth keyboard
[14:44] <Laney> "osk is completly broken under xorg" is not a situation that upstream would want either
[14:44] <kenvandine> he was using the touch screen with the keyboard turned off
[14:44] <kenvandine> that would be inconvenient to turn on the keyboard to work around that
[14:44] <seb128> can you swipe up the osk though?
[14:45] <seb128> or is that also not working?
[14:45] <kenvandine> i think you can
[14:45] <kenvandine> the example i have was a windows user :)
[14:45] <seb128> Laney, yeah, I talked a bit about Carlos about that, doesn't really a focus for them though :/
[14:45] <seb128> anyway
[14:45] <seb128> +1/-1?
[14:45] <Laney> -1 is ok for me
[14:46] <Laney> it'll come back by other routes if oems want it
[14:46] <seb128> right
[14:46] <didrocks> agreed
[14:47] <seb128> the other one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1805857
[14:47] <seb128> which needs to get its tag deleted, I'm doing that now
[14:47] <Laney> thx
[14:47] <seb128> I updated n-m to 1.12.6, that didn't automagically resolve the issue :/
[14:47] <Laney> yeah, guess I get to look again
[14:47] <Laney> I am seriously clueless here though, going to take some time
[14:48] <popey> oSoMoN: hey! Run "snap find" and you'll see Libreoffice is the longest "summary" of all the featured snaps. I wonder if there might be too many words in that summary, and it could be shortened a bit to fit on a display less than 3000 pixels wide :D
[14:48] <seb128> I'm having a look/might try to just throw that in the air on #nm in case it rings a bell upstream
[14:48] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1805444
[14:48] <Laney> this one didn't show up
[14:49] <Laney> that's probably because the task is fix released
[14:49] <Laney> wonder if we should ask if foundations can fix the report to show those bugs
[14:49] <seb128> do you want to do take the item to ask them about that?
[14:49] <seb128> (if not I can)
[14:50] <Laney> k, unless you think that sync meeting you have is a better venue
[14:50] <seb128> I think it's probably easier to ask Brian first if he can do that
[14:50] <Laney> k
[14:50] <seb128> rather than going up-and-down chains
[14:50] <seb128> thx
[14:51] <Laney> sometimes chains work for getting people to work on stuff :-)
[14:51] <seb128> so back to this bug
[14:51] <seb128> right :)
[14:51] <seb128> well, I put a note for it
[14:51] <Laney> k
[14:52] <Laney> anyway, not sure making wayland work on bionic is an rls goal?
[14:52] <seb128> if nothing moves before eoy I raise it up post holidays
[14:52] <seb128> right, it's not
[14:52] <seb128> nvidia asked about egl support though
[14:53] <seb128> but again, we can say no and it can come back via customer escalation if needed
[14:53] <seb128> so I vote -1 for today
[14:53] <Laney> yup
[14:54] <seb128> thx
[14:54] <seb128> doing that then
[14:54] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:54] <seb128> is clear
[14:54] <seb128> so I think that's it for rls bugs
[14:54] <seb128> Laney, your turn for https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:55] <Laney> k, ongoing transition should clear out a lot of those
[14:55] <Laney> n-m and sane are the only things to care about I think
[14:55] <Laney> pinged on that sane-backends bug, really unclear what the problem is
[14:55] <Laney> and nm is being worked
[14:55] <Laney> so I think it's ok more or less
[14:56] <seb128> the sane-backend one is a bit ridiculous :/
[14:57] <seb128> thx Laney
[14:57] <seb128> #topic AOB
[14:57] <seb128> other topics?
[14:58] <didrocks> nothing for me
[14:58] <kenvandine> nothing here
[14:58] <seb128> ok
[14:58] <seb128> well, good one team
[14:59] <seb128> have a good holidays for those who are off before the next meeting
[14:59] <seb128> try to relax and enjoy the time off and recharge for the next year :)
[14:59] <seb128> #endmeeting
[14:59] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec 11 14:59:32 2018 UTC.
[14:59] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-12-11-14.30.moin.txt
[14:59] <didrocks> thx!
[15:12] <willcooke> thanks everyone
[15:12] <willcooke> sorry, a_ndyrock and I were in a meeting
[15:13] <seb128> good meeting I hope :)
[15:17] <willcooke> it was great!
[15:17] <willcooke> We  all got icecream at the end
[15:18] <seb128> :)
[15:18] <seb128> the way it should be!
[15:25] <mpt> andyrock, a couple weeks ago I saw a bug report from someone who upgraded 18.04 → 18.10 and didn’t know why Livepatch had disappeared. Do you remember where that was? I can’t find it on Launchpad.
[15:31] <kenvandine> willcooke: meeting
[15:33] <seb128> mpt, andyrock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1799310
[15:33] <seb128> mpt, you reported it :p
[15:35] <mpt> Darn, my cover is blown
[15:37] <mpt> Thanks seb128 :-)
[15:37] <seb128> np!
[15:40] <andyrock> XD
[15:41] <willcooke> kenvandine, I declined the meeting today, do you need me for anytihng?
[15:41] <willcooke> (sorry, was away from computer)
[15:41] <kenvandine> willcooke: sorry, missed that
[15:41] <kenvandine> we are done
[15:41] <willcooke> \o/
[15:41] <willcooke> Hope you got icecream
[15:41] <kenvandine> lol
[15:41] <kenvandine> willcooke: try snap-store today... you'll see more snaps per category :)
[15:41] <willcooke> wooot!
[15:42] <kenvandine> the store team landed that last night
[15:44] <willcooke> nice, works good!
[15:54] <popey> kenvandine: yay!
[16:35] <seb128> woot, poppler to disco email \o/
[16:37] <Laney> |o|
[16:39] <seb128> andyrock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1807900 might be interesting to you
[17:59] <andyrock> seb128: I'll add it to the list I need to do for livepatch
[18:00] <andyrock> *todo list
[18:35] <seb128> andyrock, thx
[20:52] <seb128> night