[06:52] <duflu> tjaalton, oh! the new package will also fix GLX (https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/54ac09717cd8c49259f53a4a227d903ebe8e0a32)
[06:53] <duflu> Because:  PKG_CHECK_MODULES(WAYLAND_EGLSTREAM, [wayland-eglstream-protocols >= 1.0.2]
[06:58] <tjaalton> duflu: cool
[07:02] <duflu> tjaalton, which leaves only a kernel bug in the nvidia driver (it likes to make the kernel eat a whole core's worth of CPU)
[07:02] <duflu> Apparently within the application thread, since the two add up to 100%
[07:36] <tjaalton> oh that one
[07:56] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:00] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[08:00] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[08:00] <duflu> tjaalton, I was about to report a bug unless you have one?
[08:04] <oSoMoN> ricotz, good morning, I'll handle firefox 65.0b4 build1, unless you're already on the case?
[08:05] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I will do it
[08:05] <oSoMoN> as you wish
[08:06] <tjaalton> duflu: hmm no I was wrong, there used to be a bug which ate ram, not cpu
[08:11] <acheronuk> oSoMoN: hi. do you happen to have the libreoffice s390x test fails on your radar?
[08:12] <oSoMoN> acheronuk, I didn't, but I'll look at that
[08:15] <acheronuk> oSoMoN: thanks. will block via dep tree quite a few KDE things, plus some gtk/gnome desktop things I think
[08:17] <didrocks> good morning
[08:20] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[08:20] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:21] <duflu> tjaalton, my work here is done: bug 1808108
[08:24] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[08:26] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, ça va ?
[08:27] <oSoMoN> enrhumé, mais ça va
[08:27] <oSoMoN> et toi?
[08:27] <didrocks> ça va, pas enrhumé, mais il fait bien frisquet là…
[08:28] <didrocks> duflu: I think you should change the status back so that it's taken into account (re: g-s SRU bug)
[08:28] <didrocks> and maybe ping bdmurray
[08:39] <duflu> didrocks, done. But if it causes more argument then I abstain. We still have yet to even get the mutter fix into disco
[08:42] <didrocks> duflu: well, I think changing the status was what created the argument, if it was just one comment mention and not dramatized, we wouldn't get into that situation
[08:42] <didrocks> let's see
[08:43] <duflu> also 'rls-cc-notfixing' sounds wrong
[08:43] <duflu> It's a regression and we're going to fix it anyway
[08:43] <didrocks> I guess it's just to remove from the tracking list, but yeah, the tags is misleading
[09:02] <Laney> yo
[09:03] <willcooke> morning
[09:03] <duflu> o/   Laney   willcooke
[09:04] <duflu> (not to scale)
[09:04] <Laney> what's being dramatised?
[09:04] <Laney> hi duflu
[09:04] <duflu> Laney, waving at a distance
[09:05] <didrocks> hey Laney, willcooke
[09:07] <Laney> hey didrocks
[09:08] <Laney> how you doin'?
[09:09] <seb128> good morning (from the train) desktopers
[09:09] <didrocks> Laney: freezing, just lost 10°C in a day :p
[09:09] <didrocks> you?
[09:09] <didrocks> hey seb128
[09:09] <oSoMoN> good morning seb128
[09:09] <seb128> lut didrocks oSoMoN
[09:09] <seb128> hey Laney willcooke
[09:09] <oSoMoN> hey Laney, willcooke
[09:10] <seb128> didrocks, so it's only 25°C now in the south? :p
[09:10]  * seb128 hides
[09:11] <Laney> brrrrrrrrrrr, just checked the weather for didrocks
[09:11] <didrocks> sureeeeeee, I might need to put a T-Shirt now! scandalous :p
[09:11] <Laney> it is actually cold
[09:11]  * Laney brings a hot water bottle
[09:11] <Laney> hey seb128 oSoMoN
[09:11] <didrocks> hot chocolate time!
[09:11] <Laney> just watching the govt fall apart a bit more here...
[09:11] <willcooke>  /o\
[09:11] <didrocks> Laney: that as well is better with a warm chocolate :)
[09:12]  * Laney has a nice hot cup of tea
[09:12] <Laney> that's what duty requires of me
[09:12] <didrocks> heh
[09:15] <Laney> need to retweet that tweet from Cameron
[09:25] <seb128_> why a country with no hill or mountain has those tunnels?!
[09:28] <didrocks> heh
[09:34] <seb128_> ok, going to change train so close laptop for a bit, bbl
[09:59] <andyrock> morning!
[09:59] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you?
[09:59] <seb128> oh btw did you end up looking at Sarah's problem with will?
[09:59] <willcooke> hey andyrock
[10:00] <andyrock> hey seb128 ! it looks like it is a driver issue
[10:01] <seb128> on intel?
[10:01] <andyrock> seb128: the journal was filled of "video bus: device removed" messages when the problem shows up
[10:01] <andyrock> seb128: yep
[10:01] <andyrock> seb128: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/MRgtMY5DRt/
[10:01] <seb128> :/
[10:02] <seb128> did you check with Timo or looked upstream if that's a known issue?
[10:02] <andyrock> something we need to look into but nothing I could fix/debug in few hours
[10:02] <andyrock> I was planning to ask Timo today
[10:02] <seb128> k
[10:03] <andyrock> yesterday night I replaced the palmrest of my laptop \o/
[10:03] <andyrock> now I got a US keyboard
[10:05] <willcooke> Sarah has a work around which she's happy with for now.  Thanks for the help andyrock
[10:06] <willcooke> I didnt get home until 2am last night.  The train I was going to get was cancelled, and then someone was "taken ill" and they cancelled a load of other trains.  Sat on the station for 2 hours in the cold. :(
[10:09] <seb128> :(
[10:10] <seb128> what's the workaround? (being curious/it can be useful for other users)
[10:13] <willcooke> ctrl-alt-f1, ctrl-alt-f2
[10:13] <willcooke> :)
[10:14] <seb128> lol
[11:02] <seb128> k, another train with lunch at the station, bbl
[11:21] <oSoMoN> seb128, the train hopper
[12:00] <oSoMoN> acheronuk, for tracking purposes, I filed bug #1808147 (and I'm actively looking into fixing it)
[12:00] <acheronuk> oSoMoN: thank you :)
[12:39] <andyrock> willcooke: can you create the post for the next week team updates?
[12:41] <willcooke> oops
[12:43] <willcooke> andyrock, done: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/monday-17th-december-2018/9081
[12:43] <willcooke> thanks for the reminder
[12:43] <andyrock> danke
[13:18]  * andyrock finally found a nice place to work from with good wifi, vibe, coffee and food
[13:18] <seb128> nice!
[13:25] <Laney> :3
[14:18] <jbicha> seb128: I happened to see your comment on bug 1798861 maybe it's good to mention those comments here also (or somewhere) since I get a lot of bugmail
[14:19] <seb128> jbicha, hey, ok, noted
[16:26] <willcooke> oSoMoN, forgot to say yesterday, no problems with n-m yesteday at all
[16:27] <oSoMoN> willcooke, excellent, thanks! should we go ahead with SRUing n-m 1.10.14 to bionic?
[16:27] <oSoMoN> get it into bionic-proposed and get some more testing by a wider audience
[16:29] <willcooke> yeah, lets go to proposed.  I think seb might have had some other updates which were waiting to get that one out, so sync with him when he's back, but yeah, proposed would be good
[16:29] <willcooke> we can leave it there for a while to be double sure
[16:29] <willcooke> if needed
[16:30] <oSoMoN> ok, I'll talk to Seb when he's around
[17:01] <oSoMoN> seb128, willcooke's feedback on n-m 1.10.14 in bionic is positive, wdyt of going ahead and pushing it to bionic-proposed to get it tested by a wider audience?
[17:02] <seb128> oSoMoN, if someone wants to do that, sure
[17:02] <seb128> I'm out of that one though
[17:03] <oSoMoN> seb128, that's not going to conflict with other staged n-m SRUs ?
[17:03] <seb128> I think it's too much change/going to be tricky to validate and get regression free, but if someone feels like trying I'm not going to stop them
[17:03] <seb128> no
[17:03] <seb128> I had planned to SRU .10 as a first round, but didn't get to it yet
[17:03] <seb128> and if we are people more ambitious I don't want to be in the way
[17:03] <seb128> n-m doesn't have a standing expection though
[17:04] <seb128> so we need test cases for several of the issues that are reported in launchpad/fixed and proper detailled of all the changes between our version and the one SRUed
[17:04] <oSoMoN> seb128, I'm in no rush to get that done, so SRUing .10 first seems like a reasonable thing to do
[17:05] <seb128> well, it sounded like you have the newest version ready
[17:05] <seb128> you should probably go for it then
[17:05] <oSoMoN> also, I don't have a personal interest in it, just trying to move forward that bug, but it might not be worth it overall
[17:05] <seb128> I can help you listing launchpad bugs that are fixed/need to be documented in the changelog if you want
[17:05] <seb128> well, we had the discussion before
[17:05] <seb128> I personnally think it's a big chunk and it makes it risky
[17:06] <oSoMoN> agreed, it's risky
[17:06] <seb128> but I tend to be quite conservative which has downsides
[17:06] <oSoMoN> being conservative with an LTS doesn't sound bad
[17:11] <Laney> missing out on most of these fixes https://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/tree/NEWS?h=1.10.14 doesn't feel that great to me
[17:11] <Laney> but not interested in rehashing the old debate
[17:15] <seb128> shrug
[17:16] <seb128> I'm going to say it one time I then I stop, if someone who is better than me at understanding n-m and how to test it properly feel confident doing that SRU please step up and do it
[17:16] <seb128> I'm just not that person
[17:16] <seb128> I'm not stopping anyone from doing it
[17:17] <seb128> and yeah, in an ideal world we land the new cool upstream versions and there is never any regressions and we can party and be happy :)
[17:19] <Laney> all those party worthy CVE fixes
[17:19] <seb128> Laney, I'm unsure what you are aiming at here? My statement is that I only feel confident doing a SRU I can understand and that I would go to .10 (or maybe .12) so I propose doing that if it helps
[17:19] <seb128> Laney, telling me that I'm a chicken for not wanting to SRU more isn't helping
[17:19] <Laney> not sure that's what happened
[17:19] <seb128> k, I don't understand where you try to get then
[17:20] <Laney> putting the other side, is that not allowed?
[17:20] <seb128> sorry, maybe you can reformulate on what you were suggesting doing?
[17:20] <Laney> you stated what you think are the downsides and then I responded with a link to what we would miss out on by not doing it
[17:20] <Laney> don't really see the confrontation here, :/
[17:20] <seb128> k, sorry I didn't meant to say there were downside
[17:21] <seb128> I meant that I didn't feel confident being the one landing those big changes because I don't understand n-m (and IPv6 in particular) enough
[17:21] <seb128> I guess then we need to keep looking for someone who is?
[17:22] <seb128> which might be oSoMoN then? :)
[17:22] <Laney> I thought oSoMoN was basically going nto do it
[17:22] <seb128> +1 from me
[17:22] <seb128> I said earlier he should go for it if he feels like doing it
[17:23] <Laney> k
[17:23] <seb128> oSoMoN, do you just basically need a sponsor?
[17:24] <seb128> (poor Olivier, chromium & firefox & libreoffice and now we land a tricky n-m SRU on you :/)
[17:24] <seb128> oSoMoN, Laney, do you want to work together to land that one?
[17:29] <Laney> can do sponsoring if that's needed
[17:29] <seb128> thx
[17:30] <seb128> I can help with listing bugs to include in the changelog and making them SRU compliant, at least for those where I understand the issue/how to test it
[17:31] <Laney> is in ubuntu-desktop though so should be good
[17:31] <seb128> ah, right, Olivier has the power :)
[17:32] <seb128> oSoMoN, k, up to you, if you feel like doing it I would suggest we upload before holidays and let it in proposed at least over holidays
[17:44] <oSoMoN> I can do that one, but don't be misleaded into thinking that I understand n-m, because I don't
[17:44] <oSoMoN> your suggestion makes sense
[17:46] <Laney> nobody does, it's one of our ongoing problems
[17:46] <Laney> that can work both ways though - if we want to ask upstream for help on issues, it's better to be closer to their current releases
[17:46] <Laney> on the other hand we'd be less well placed to actually fix things
[17:48] <seb128> they updated only to .12 in fedora, I wonder if there is a specific reason, we should maybe ask them (thomas is upstream/the one updating there)
[18:28] <willcooke> k, gotta go - l8r all