[00:00] <blackbird1> Sven_vB, modifying the EFI folder doesn't work
[00:01] <Sven_vB> blackbird1, did you have problems renaming it, or did you rename it but it had no effect on the boot error?
[00:03] <Paddy_NI> Sven_vB, No joy :-(
[00:03] <blackbird1> Sven_vB, "no effect on the boot error" just a black screen with the cursor at the top left of the screen
[00:05] <blackbird1> Sven_vB, no error is displyed, just a black screen with the cursor at the top left of the screen
[00:09] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | blackbird1 Try :
[00:30] <yetifur> i am trying to run sudo apt-get update but it gets stuck at the prompt where it goes to security.ubuntu.com (i pinged that IP and it connects just fine). I also googled this and some solution refers to disabling IPV6. I did this but it still gets stuck. Please advise
[00:31] <ashkitten> hey, i'm trying to get unattended-upgrades to send mail to my email using smtp thru mailgun but i'm not sure how? i tried using update-alternatives to link /usr/bin/mailx to /usr/bin/s-nail but i get the feeling all these instructions are out of date and it's just using sendmail directly instead or something
[00:31] <ryuo> yetifur: i've had that happen and it was because my ISP sometimes gives my router incorrect IPv6 settings.
[00:32] <ryuo> yetifur: did you try ping -4 and -6 both?
[00:33] <yetifur> @ryuo, yes.. in fact, went to /etc/gai.conf and edited it there but no dice. Its very odd because I can ping the IP's just fine from the command line. ...so it's reaching ok.
[00:33] <ryuo> i don't mess with that file. any output you can share of what APT is saying?
[00:33] <yetifur> @ryuo, and I see it cycles to several security.ubuntu.com's IP's..
[00:34] <yetifur> @ryuo, not very informative.. it just can't go anywhere..
[00:34] <ryuo> try this.
[00:34] <ryuo> apt-get -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true update
[00:34] <yetifur> cheking..
[00:35] <ryuo> it's always possible that there's a transient network or service outage.
[00:36] <tomreyn> yetifur: can you post the output of this: pastebinit <(ping -qc3 security.ubuntu.com; echo; ping6 -qc3 security.ubuntu.com; echo; curl -sI4 http://security.ubuntu.com; curl -sI6 http://security.ubuntu.com;)
[00:36] <yetifur> no dice. I see the IP is trying to connect to..so I do a Ctrl-C and ping that IP.. it connects just fine. THere must be soething else here.
[00:37] <yetifur> tomreyn, sure.. one moment.
[00:37] <ryuo> yetifur: in the future, i don't suggest messing with random files under /etc without knowing how to reverse it.
[00:37] <ryuo> at least not without diagnosing the cause of your issue.
[00:38] <yetifur> @ryuo, trial and error mate. And it was put back the way ti was.
[00:38] <ryuo> Ok.
[00:41] <tomreyn> ashkitten: i think the supported way is to combine mailx with a locally installed mta such as postfix or exim.
[00:41] <ashkitten> tomreyn: what i'm seeing now is to replace sendmail with ssmtp
[00:41] <tomreyn> "link /usr/bin/mailx to /usr/bin/s-nail" sounds like a dirty hack to me.
[00:42] <yetifur> tomreyn, err.. I get single prompt: '>'  nothing more. After it typed 'pastebinit <(ping ..etc
[00:42] <tomreyn> yetifur: you'll have mistyped something, can you not copy + paste?
[00:42] <ashkitten> tomreyn: that's how it was before 18.04, with the heirloom-mailx package which did exactly that
[00:43] <yetifur> @tomreyn, the host will not copy to the guest. I have to quit and come back inside the instance.. brb.
[00:43] <ryuo> and they're gone.
[00:44] <tomreyn> its good to know what they were discussing a different system and that virtualization or containers were involved, though
[00:44] <tomreyn> s/what/that/
[00:45] <tomreyn> ashkitten: seeing, where? yopu seem to be followeing some tutorials?
[00:46] <ashkitten> tomreyn: well, if unattended-upgrades uses sendmail, ssmtp also provides sendmail
[00:46] <ashkitten> the logical conclusion
[00:50] <FreeBDSM> I have installed wine repo, I want to build wine, so I uncommented deb-src line in /etc/apt/sources.list. Now when I try to `apt update` I get: `W: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/source/Sources' as repository 'https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu bionic InRelease' does not seem to provide it (sources.list entry misspelt?)`
[00:53] <yetifur> tomryn can you repost the command pastebin command?
[00:54] <yetifur> @tomreyn can you repost the command?
[00:57] <tomreyn> yetifur: pastebinit <(ping -qc3 security.ubuntu.com; echo; ping6 -qc3 security.ubuntu.com; echo; curl -sI4 http://security.ubuntu.com; curl -sI6 http://security.ubuntu.com;)
[00:57] <tomreyn> yetifur: also tell us more about the virtualization or container configuration you have there
[00:58] <ashkitten> tomreyn: yep, worked
[00:58] <tomreyn> ashkitten: so it returned a URL this time?
[00:58] <ashkitten> tomreyn: i replaced sendmail with ssmtp and it sent the mail
[00:58] <yetifur> @tomreyn running virtualbox on my laptop. Two VM's: Centos and Ubuntu
[00:59] <tomreyn> ashkitten: oops sorry mixed you up there
[00:59] <ashkitten> it's fine
[00:59] <tomreyn> ashkitten: glad you worked it out. ;-)
[00:59] <FreeBDSM> can apt be used onto https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Emulators:/Wine:/Debian/xUbuntu_18.04/ this repo?
[01:00] <FreeBDSM> I can't make it work
[01:00] <ashkitten> protonmail seems to not be liking the emails i send it tho, gonna have to check that out
[01:00] <FreeBDSM> that repo has sources
[01:00] <FreeBDSM> unlike winehq repo
[01:01] <yetifur> @tomreyn the network is bridged for both so I can get local IP's to ssh into my instances. The command you posted states that I am missing pastebinit but doing an apt install does not connect.
[01:01] <yetifur> @tomreyn, using hexchat in Ubuntu right now, so connectivity  = ok. I must be missing something else here...
[01:02] <calamari> I'd like to create a GPT partitioned UEFI bootable USB image that I can copy to an arbitrarily-sized USB stick. How does Ubuntu accomplish this? I can create the image, but when I dd it to my USB, fdisk complains about GPT problems, and it gets stuck in grub rescue.
[01:03] <FreeBDSM> I have added `deb-src https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Emulators:/Wine:/Debian/xUbuntu_18.04 ./` to `/etc/apt/sources.list` and now `apt update` tells me `W: GPG error: https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Emulators:/Wine:/Debian/xUbuntu_18.04 ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY DFA175A75104960E`, but the signature is right damnit there!
[01:05] <EriC^^> calamari: you shouldnt be using fdisk with gpt, use gdisk instead, as for the usb, make sure to install grub with the removeable media options
[01:06] <tomreyn> yetifur: do this instead: sudo apt -o 'Debug::Acquire::http=1' update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:07] <yetifur> @tomreyn ahh sending the trace to termbin.com. One moment.
[01:10] <tomreyn> yetifur: and this:  (ping -qc3 security.ubuntu.com; echo; ping6 -qc3 security.ubuntu.com; echo; curl -sI4 http://security.ubuntu.com 2>&1; curl -sI6 http://security.ubuntu.com 2>&1;) | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:10] <tomreyn> yetifur: if you are able to ssh into the guest system you are having trouble with then you shouold also be able to copy + paste to it
[01:11] <yetifur> @tomreyn in order for me to ssh into ubuntu i have to install the ssh package and I can't do that because apt-get update gets stuck.
[01:12] <yetifur> @tomreyn This is ubuntu 18.04 desktop. I am wondering if the server version is all I need.
[01:12] <tomreyn> yetifur: you mean the openssh-server package? i assumed this was already installed since you said "the network is bridged for both so I can get local IP's to ssh into my instances."
[01:14] <tomreyn> yetifur: when you refer to some system, please point out whether it's the host or guest system, i'm having trouble following. i was referring to the guest system.
[01:14] <yetifur> @tomreyn I can ssh into Centos.. but not Ubuntu (i get denied).. so I am assuming sshd is not installed.
[01:14] <yetifur> @tomreyn my guests are Centos/Ubuntu. Host: Windows Enterprise.
[01:14] <tomreyn> ssh server is installed on ubuntu server by default, not on ubuntu desktop
[01:15] <yetifur> @tomreyn i see. Let me wipe out this .iso then. brb if i cannot ssh. Thank you for your help
[01:17] <tomreyn> this issue you're running into is a different one, though, probably a resolver or routing issue. but debugging it will be much easier if you can ssh into the system.
[01:18] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: read the message again, apt lack the apt repository GPG signing key, and thus can't verify that the signature is correct (or not)
[01:21] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: you'd need to "wget 'https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Emulators:/Wine:/Debian/xUbuntu_18.04/Release.key' -O /tmp/wine.key', then ensure you trust /tmp/wine.key to sign this repository, then sudo apt-key add /tmp/wine.key
[01:48] <thatlizdude> (thatlizdude) do you guys know if there are any plans to add fractional scaling in Ubuntu 18.04? I'm trying to set the scaling to 250% on 4k, 200% is too small, 300% is too big...
[02:02] <OerHeks> thatlizdude, gnome-tweak-tool can do that
[02:02] <OerHeks> !info gnome-tweak-tool
[02:02] <thatlizdude> is that like a hacky way that could be broken in future updates?
[02:03] <OerHeks> no, pretty common tweaktool
[02:03] <OerHeks> KDE would have it buildin
[02:04] <thatlizdude> so is KDE better for higher res displays?
[02:10] <OerHeks> No, just saying this option would be standard , even application solely
[02:10] <OerHeks> https://i.stack.imgur.com/bvYXb.gif
[02:11] <thatlizdude> oh yeah, I'm still able to install KDE without reinstalling right?
[02:15] <OerHeks> sure, one can add any desktop, and choose from login; removing a desktop can be interesting
[02:16] <thatlizdude> why would removing it be a problem?
[02:16] <Geo> Hi folks, trying to install 18.04 on a laptop that currently has windows 10 on it (not trying to keep Win10, but I would like to keep the recovery partition just in case). I've tried from both USB and CD now; the partition screen is all jacked up. It doesn't list /dev/sda in the screen (but it does shot in in the 'install bootable partition' drop down)
[02:18] <Geo> Can anyone think of a reason it wouldn't show me sda? Some Windows self-preservation method? :)
[02:21] <OerHeks> Geo, use a usb to backup that install partition, using the windows tool, would be the safest way, so you can start really fresh. current install might have ExFat, you would need to boot into live session and install 2 files for support, else it might be an UEFI thing
[02:22] <OerHeks> exfat-utils and exfat-fuse
[02:23] <thatlizdude> thanks man
[02:24] <ryuo> Geo: what's the device in question? Some Windows 10 devices don't use SATA devices at all.
[02:25] <ryuo> i've seen ones using MMC or even NVMe.
[02:25] <OerHeks> good spot
[02:27] <ryuo> i only really saw MMC in the bottom of the barrel x86 offerings though.
[02:27] <ryuo> usually capped to 32 or 64 GB.
[02:31] <Geo> ryuo: an HP laptop
[02:32] <Geo> pavilion
[02:32] <ryuo> Geo: can't be more specific?
[02:32] <Geo> how specific do you need?
[02:32] <ryuo> Model # if you have it.
[02:32] <ryuo> i'm using a probook 455 g5 myself.
[02:32] <Geo> No, b/c HP doesn't write model #s anywhere anymore
[02:32] <ryuo> Not even the bottom?
[02:32] <Geo> nope
[02:32] <Geo> its a brand new one
[02:32] <ryuo> Their business hardware at least still does that
[02:33] <ryuo> Oh well.
[02:33] <Geo> no mod #, and the best part was no windows key
[02:33] <ryuo> Are you at least able to boot the live CD?
[02:33] <Geo> I had to do some stupid powershell to get my own windows key off of it
[02:33] <Geo> but now I'm just whining
[02:33] <Geo> yeah, live CD works fine
[02:33] <Geo> fdisk shows the partitions fine
[02:33] <ryuo> I can help you poke around for a storage device.
[02:33] <ryuo> Oh.
[02:33] <ryuo> So the issue is the partitioner doesn't show them?
[02:33] <iosecure> Even new HP systems have that information on the bottom case.
[02:34] <Geo> The partitioner in the installer does not show it. It shows the USB stick, though
[02:34] <ryuo> so, nothing for /dev/sda shows up? not even partitions?
[02:35] <Geo> no partitions, and no disk
[02:35]  * ryuo boggles.
[02:35] <Geo> but sda does show up in the 'install bootable partition' drop down
[02:35] <ryuo> yet, you can run fdisk -l on /dev/sda from a terminal?
[02:35] <OerHeks> or windows is shutdown with fastboot, or it is nvme, or exfat
[02:35] <Geo> yes
[02:35] <OerHeks> fdisk should show something though
[02:35] <Geo> OerHeks: ooooh....
[02:35] <Geo> you know what?
[02:35] <thatlizdude> OerHeks: looks like gnome tweak tools doesn't support fractional scaling :/
[02:36] <Geo> Because I couldn't get BIOS running, i selected the 'boot from other media' option in Win 10... would that do it?
[02:36] <ryuo> Does Ubiquity even support installing to NVMe? I've never tried it.
[02:36] <ryuo> OerHeks: honestly, you don't really need to keep the recovery partition since Microsoft provides ISOs you can reinstall Windows from if you really need to.
[02:37] <Geo> looking closer... sda3 is missing
[02:37] <ryuo> err
[02:37] <ryuo> Geo: ^
[02:37] <Geo> its 'the big partition'
[02:37] <ryuo> Geo: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO
[02:37] <Geo> or would be if it was there; 950GB or so, of the TB drive
[02:38] <Geo> ryuo: I was thinking the HP drivers might be in there as well
[02:38] <Geo> I did that a few years back, still never got all the 'little' pieces reinstalled
[02:38] <Geo> but maybe its better since then
[02:38] <ryuo> Geo: You can get those from the web site afaik.
[02:38] <ryuo> But if it's that important, you could also make a disk image.
[02:38] <OerHeks> thatlizdude, i could do 125% .. or 140%
[02:38] <Geo> yeah, just a pain to know which 30 different files you need
[02:38] <thatlizdude> OerHeks: what resolution
[02:39] <OerHeks> that affects windows too
[02:39] <Geo> as i recall, there was no 'download this for everything' file
[02:39] <Geo> anyway
[02:39] <Geo> Did I miss a solution suggestion in there somewhere?
[02:39] <OerHeks> https://imgur.com/a/k9xvhlZ
[02:39] <ryuo> Geo: well, it'd help if you pasted your dmesg.
[02:39] <Geo> k
[02:39] <ryuo> So we can at least see how your storage devices are connected.
[02:40] <ryuo> It's probably using UEFI, so it won't have partition specific locations like BIOS would.
[02:40] <ryuo> (bootloader wise)
[02:41] <Geo> paste.ubuntu.com/p/Z5FGzf5cc2
[02:41] <ryuo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Z5FGzf5cc2
[02:41] <thatlizdude> OerHeks: yeah I didn't mean just fonts though
[02:41] <ryuo> Ah. I think I see why you have an issue.
[02:41] <ryuo> GPT: Use GNU Parted to correct GPT errors.
[02:42] <ryuo> The kernel is complaining about the disk's label.
[02:42] <ryuo> Weird.
[02:42] <infogulch> i upgraded my personal server from 16.04 -> 18.04, and the $HOME/.ssh/ssh_auth_sock file is now owned by root:root instead of me:me which is keeping me from using agent forwarding
[02:42] <ryuo> The numbering is weird too. There's no 3?
[02:43] <ryuo> i've only seen that with DOS/MBR labels with logical partitions.
[02:43] <infogulch> i don't seem to be able to chown it either
[02:43] <ryuo> infogulch: did you try doing that as root? regular users can't use chown.
[02:43] <infogulch> yes, sudo chown
[02:44] <Geo> a1 = EFI System, a2 = MS reserved, a4 = MS recovery, a5 = MS basic data
[02:44] <infogulch> it doesn't give an error, but it doesn't work either
[02:44] <Geo> 3 is missing, correct
[02:44] <Geo> and that is the 'big' partition
[02:44] <ryuo> it looks like your table may have been corrupted.
[02:44] <Geo> Windows boots fine though
[02:45] <ryuo> Hm.
[02:45] <Geo> amazing, right? :)
[02:45] <infogulch> i'm comparing directly to a pre-upgrade clone of my server
[02:45] <Geo> maybe create sd3?
[02:45] <ryuo> Geo: did you check for BIOS updates?
[02:45] <Geo> er, sda3
[02:45] <Geo> No - damn thing boots so fast I can't get into it :P
[02:46] <ryuo> You can do those from Windows...
[02:46] <Geo> Oh, cool
[02:46] <ryuo> Or, you can use windows to get into the firmware.
[02:46] <Geo> I'll try that
[02:46] <ryuo> Truth is, some modern HPs are able to update BIOS from the BIOS using the ethernet NIC, if you have one.
[02:46] <ryuo> My ProBook 455 G5 has this capability.
[02:47] <ryuo> Most of my Linux issues were fixed by the BIOS update from August I got.
[02:48] <Geo> no bios option i can see
[02:48] <Geo> (back in windows)
[02:48] <ryuo> Geo: did you try going to HP's website to see if their software finds an availabel update?
[02:49] <ryuo> If nothing else, it's good to use latest BIOS because of possible fixes for issues you may encounter.
[02:49] <Geo> i thought you said windows could do it :P
[02:49] <Geo> sure
[02:49] <Geo> looking now
[02:49] <ryuo> It can, but using software provided by HP
[02:49] <Geo> yeah, just messin with you
[02:49] <ryuo> >.>
[02:49] <Geo> I find its good practice to taunt those helping you
[02:49] <Geo> really helps the process along
[02:49] <ryuo> Right...
[02:50] <OerHeks> some fancy hp models have a hdd lock in the bios
[02:50] <ryuo> password protection you mean?
[02:50] <ryuo> I think that was an option for this ProBook but I didn't opt for it.
[02:51] <ryuo> I installed my own SSDs to replace the crappy HDD they shipped with it.
[02:51] <OerHeks> jups, heavy managment, though you would not need to type it in during boot
[02:51] <ryuo> I guess I'm weird. I got a customized HP through their web store.
[02:51] <ryuo> A lot more options than the regular stores.
[02:53] <OerHeks> "i lost the coupon for this model"
[02:53] <ryuo> lol.
[02:53] <ryuo> I just preferred getting a built to order laptop. It takes longer but worth it if you're particular.
[02:59] <Geo> still here,just updating
[02:59] <Geo> model is 15-cs0064st btw
[03:01] <Geo> fun fact, ctrl-alt-s pops up a system window with that info
[03:03] <OerHeks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1095628/when-installing-ubuntu-on-my-new-hp-pavilion-15cs0064st-the-installation-type-i
[03:03] <OerHeks> is your hdd in raid ?
[03:04] <OerHeks> wow it even gives screenshots what happens when you change to AHCI
[03:09] <Geo> ok, bios updated
[03:10] <ryuo> that's the first step for any new PC, honestly.
[03:12] <Geo> in the windows partitioner, the 'missing' partition shows as ntfs
[03:12] <ryuo> Geo: did you reboot for BIOS update?
[03:12] <Geo> yes
[03:13] <ryuo> ok
[03:13] <ryuo> Interesting.
[03:14] <ryuo> Found your model's service manual
[03:15] <Geo> ok, got into bios
[03:16] <ryuo> Heh. Seems that BIOS update was mainly for: "Provides support for Windows 10 v1809."
[03:16] <ryuo> Anyway.
[03:17] <Geo> legacy support disabled... do i need that?
[03:17] <ryuo> only if you intend that booting method.
[03:17] <ryuo> to use*
[03:18] <ryuo> The only one you may need to disable is secure boot, but you were able to boot before...
[03:20] <Geo> yeah, nothing changed... bumped usb up in the boot order to skip any windows loading, still the exact same screen
[03:21] <OerHeks> boot in live mode, open terminal: fdisk -l
[03:21] <OerHeks> i hope you checked AHCI/raid setting in the bios too
[03:22] <Geo> sda3 shows up this time in fdisk...
[03:22] <ryuo> It could be that parted won't detect it because of that partition issue.
[03:22] <ryuo> Could the BIOS update have helped?
[03:22] <Geo> *shrug*
[03:23] <Geo> OerHeks: what a I checking?
[03:23] <Geo> ...other than I don't see anything
[03:24] <OerHeks> hdd controller mode
[03:24] <ryuo> It's probably AHCI. IDE mode isn't use anymore.
[03:24] <OerHeks> this post mentions raid mode, often a cause for ubuntu not to see hdd https://askubuntu.com/questions/1095628/when-installing-ubuntu-on-my-new-hp-pavilion-15cs0064st-the-installation-type-i
[03:25] <OerHeks> but if you see a partition it should be fine, unless it says exfat
[03:25] <Major_Wedgie> Hello!
[03:26] <Geo> none of that
[03:26] <Geo> so what the hell now, heh
[03:27] <Major_Wedgie> What?
[03:27] <OerHeks> go use the whole disk, and forget the partition, you can always download the iso with microsoft
[03:28] <Geo> I can't even do that
[03:28] <Geo> sda doesn't show up as an option
[03:28] <Geo> at all
[03:28] <OerHeks> then i guess it is raid.
[03:28] <ryuo> I have a theory but i've been ignored.
[03:29]  * ryuo shrugs.
[03:30] <Geo> the partition thing?
[03:30] <Geo> It's gone
[03:30] <Geo> the error
[03:30] <ryuo> I see.
[03:30] <ryuo> Well, if Ubuntu won't detect it...
[03:31] <ryuo> Hm.
[03:31] <Geo> nol i take that back, its there
[03:31] <ryuo> I don't normally recommend it, but there's another way to install Ubuntu.
[03:31] <Geo> grep'd the wrong term, sorry
[03:31] <ryuo> Oh.
[03:31] <Geo> so how would I use gpt to fix this?
[03:32] <ryuo> No idea. I've never seen the error before. If I were you, i'd nuke the disk label and start over.
[03:32] <Geo> haha
[03:32] <ryuo> But that depends on how attached you are to the existing contetns.
[03:33] <ryuo> It appears to be complaining that the backup GPT label is not present.
[03:33] <ryuo> That may be why parted doesn't "see" it.
[03:35] <Geo> ok, ran it and repaired... lets try again
[03:36] <Geo> victory!
[03:36] <Geo> you can do the 'i told you so dance' now, if you like ryuo
[03:37] <ryuo> I see. So it was parted being overzealous.
[03:37] <ryuo> :D
[03:37] <ryuo> Geo: fyi, the other install method I was talking about was the manual method I have used before.
[03:37] <ryuo> debootstrap.
[03:37] <Geo> now we're back in charted waters. All looks good now
[03:37] <Geo> yeah... pass on that haha
[03:37] <ryuo> it offers installation options that ubiquity cannot provide currently.
[03:38] <ryuo> But, it requires a skilled hand to pull off, so it's not for everyone.
[03:38] <ryuo> I used it to get Ubuntu running on ZFS root.
[03:39] <ryuo> Before that I was using it to do the same on my Debian server.
[03:39] <ryuo> Geo: i don't advise it if you're not comfortable doing all your partitioning, formatting, etc, yourself.
[03:40] <ryuo> whatever it is that's specific for your install.
[03:41] <Geo> is the rule of thumb still 2x memory for a swap drive?
[03:42] <ryuo> w/e floats your boat.
[03:42] <ryuo> i don't use swap anymore.
[03:42] <ryuo> I struggle to use the 16G I have.
[03:43] <Geo> I'll be running VMs on here
[03:43] <Geo> interesting google answers coming back on this
[03:43] <ryuo> then why didn't you go for more RAM?
[03:43] <ryuo> unless you mean containers.
[03:44] <Ben64> i don't have swap, do have 32GB ram, run VMs and stuff
[03:45] <Ben64> once you run out of ram, swap or not, things are bad
[03:45] <ryuo> and swap isn't a substitute for physical RAM.
[03:46] <ryuo> VMs require you to reserve a slice of RAM for the duration of their lifetime.
[03:47] <ryuo> part of why I prefer containers if I'm just going to run Linux software...
[03:49] <ryuo> Geo: http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c06165629
[03:49] <ryuo> at some point you may want to opt for the full 16G. I'm using mine with that.
[03:51] <ryuo> I sit right now with 50% utilization and that's with some RAM hungry stuff running.
[03:51]  * ryuo shrugs.
[03:56] <infogulch> ok well i fixed it by changing the owner of the symlink target in /tmp/ssh-xyz/agent.123 and it's parent directory to myself to match the setup in my previous environment. not sure why it was changed to root during the upgrade but there it is
[03:58] <Geo> aaaand installer crashed
[03:59] <ryuo> Geo: sorry to hear that.
[04:01] <Geo> i've never had an install problem before... so weird
[04:01] <Geo> crashed a 2nd time
[04:02] <Geo> 'error copying files to hard disk'
[04:02] <Geo> I wonder if I have a bad disk, hence the earlier issues
[04:14] <klu3> when my computer says- Hard disk failure is imminent -which hdd is it talking about? it only shows me one of the two here's the screenshot http://bayimg.com/lanhbAAgC
[04:15] <ryuo> klu3: there's no way to tell from the limited information. you should check the SMART of both.
[04:15] <klu3> 1st Drive shows western digital which is my ubuntu os, 2nd Drive shows blank, that's where my other data is
[04:16] <ryuo> ideally from livecd, as continued writing may make this worse.
[04:16] <klu3> ryuo: where do i check that, the ubuntu program?
[04:17] <ryuo> klu3: smartctl can get that, but it has to be run from a terminal.
[04:17] <klu3> oh i already back it up took one hour but i back it up so im safe, was just curious
[04:17] <klu3> ok ty will try
[04:17] <ryuo> with -a
[04:18] <ryuo> if you want help interpretting the results, come back here with the output. someone can probably look at it.
[04:18] <ryuo> Geo: no idea. check SMART?
[04:19] <ryuo> Geo: though, this is why i sometimes wipe the disks... residual data can do a lot of weird stuff.
[04:20] <Geo> yeah, just finished manual format
[04:21] <ryuo> eh... not what I meant, but... anyway.
[04:21] <Geo> should bootloader go on sda, or sda1 (my / partition)?
[04:21] <ryuo> for UEFI, it'll go wherever your ESP is.
[04:21] <WoC> klu3, i would guess the 2nd, as it fails to read any identifier for that disk
[04:22] <Geo> and what does that mean, exactly?
[04:22] <ryuo> Geo: EFI System Partition. It's the one partition that has to be formatted with VFAT.
[04:22] <ryuo> (aka FAT12/16/32)
[04:22] <Geo> so a partition, not the disk
[04:22] <ryuo> Yes.
[04:23] <Geo> hmm
[04:23] <Geo> could it be the / partition? I feel like I've done that before
[04:23] <ryuo> ... No
[04:23] <ryuo> root partition cannot be the ESP.
[04:23] <ryuo> Namely because VFAT is not a unix compatible filesystem.
[04:24] <ryuo> It was created for MSDOS, after all.
[04:26] <ryuo> Geo: you're probably confusing it with /boot partitions, a different concept.
[04:26] <Geo> damnit. I keep getting the same error over and over.
[04:26] <ryuo> dmesg say anything?
[04:27] <ryuo> If it was a hardware issue i'd expect a lot of ATA or other IO errors.
[04:28] <ryuo> Geo: ok, well, if the installer is still giving you trouble... there's always the last resort method that might work.
[04:29] <Geo> running fsck right now, i'll check dmesg in a moment
[04:30] <Geo> zlib decompression failed, data probably corrupt
[04:30] <Geo> maybe I need a new iso
[04:30] <Geo> https://askubuntu.com/questions/65830/errno-5-input-output-error-when-trying-to-install
[04:30] <ryuo> Could be.
[04:32] <Geo> yep, hash is off
[04:32] <Geo> son of a
[04:32] <ryuo> Not rare.
[04:32] <ryuo> How*
[04:33] <Geo> $ md5sum ubuntu-18.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[04:33] <Geo> 02c5d946778e232ed029ff646a7e6aec  ubuntu-18.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[04:33] <Geo> from web: f430da8fa59d2f5f4262518e3c177246 *ubuntu-18.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[04:34] <klu3> ryou: thank you for that smartctl program it shows everything i need to know about the hdd including the sata version, it looks like sata3 6Gb/s but only using 3Gb/s, and comparing the two hdd it seems the other one have 3 errors log the other one didnt have any
[04:34] <klu3> WoC: figured as much, thanks for confirming
[04:35] <ryuo> klu3: i doubt that detail matters. HDDs can't saturate SATA very well.
[04:36] <klu3> im going to test it on another computer with latest hardware see if it use 6Gb/s like its suppose to, well im off thnx for the help guys
[04:37] <ryuo> ... why do they fixate on the version of SATA it actually uses? it doesn't matter much for HDDs.
[04:38] <ryuo> i've never seen one exceed 150-180 MB/s
[04:38] <ryuo> version 2 can easily handle that.
[04:38]  * ryuo shrugs.
[04:56] <BrickedInTheHead> Can you hotplug a display in Ubuntu 16.xx? On same gfx deviece
[04:57] <BrickedInTheHead> or will everything break
[04:58] <WoC> I dare say it depends on which device
[04:58] <BrickedInTheHead> Nvidia card using default display drivers
[04:58] <WoC> but then again i'm not quite BrickedInTheHead
[04:59] <OerHeks> often it should work, some hardware could demand plugin before boot
[04:59] <Waylon> 3
[04:59] <ryuo> 4
[04:59] <WoC> But, im thinking it should work
[05:00] <OerHeks> if it does not respond in 5 sec, go into settings
[05:01] <Waylon> ]63
[05:01] <OerHeks> gentle smash on the side
[05:01] <BrickedInTheHead> Thanks. I'll try when I dont have any tasks open
[05:15] <Geo> for those of you playing along at home, a new iso appears to have done the trick
[05:19] <OerHeks> :-)
[05:50] <Vivit> coi rodo
[05:50] <Vivit> I've got a problem.
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> ask it in the channel Vivit
[05:51] <Vivit> I'm typing :p
[05:51] <Vivit> I just installed lubuntu on a macbook, and I'm trying to get the wifi working, but all the advice I find online asks me to use apt-get, which is obviously useless to me since I don't have internet access in the first place (no ethernet port)
[05:52] <Mcl0vin> howdy folks
[05:52] <Mcl0vin> i need help with my ubuntu box
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> ask your question to the channel please Mcl0vin
[05:53] <Mcl0vin> I think something is broken bad https://pastebin.com/A3YssTuW
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: first of all, it would be nice to get access on a working ethernet connection to update your system to latest, maybe wifi will work then
[05:54] <Vivit> I said I didn't have an ethernet port.
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> a macbook without an ethernet port?
[05:55] <Mcl0vin> lotuspsychje: just like Apple new car...no windows :P
[05:55] <Vivit> yep.
[05:57] <Vivit> What I'm looking for is a .deb I can download, transfer via flash drive, and install manually.
[05:57] <ohjk> usb ethernet adapter?
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: whats your wifi chipset please?
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> Mcl0vin: i would first clean your system, before doing the lts upgrade
[05:58] <Vivit> Broadcom BCM4360 [14e4:43a0]
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> Mcl0vin: you need 14.04 to 16.04 i presume?
[05:58] <Vivit> (rev 03)
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: ok, take your liveusb/cdrom and search in the dirs /pool or something to install the broadcom driver
[05:59] <Mcl0vin> lotuspsychje: you might laugh but i am not sure which verion i have :( I know i installed it 2014
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> Mcl0vin: lsb_release -a we dont laugh with ubuntu versions here ; )
[05:59] <Mcl0vin> lotuspsychje: i did apt-get clean && apt-get autoclean
[05:59] <Vivit> The liveusb?
[06:00] <Vivit> Is that sort of thing normally included on the ISO?
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: the braodcom driver does yes
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> Mcl0vin: maybe try something deeper, bleachbit, dpkg purge stubborn package, and ppa's removal
[06:01] <Mcl0vin> lotuspsychje: been there, tried that .... bash: /usr/bin/lsb_release: /usr/bin/python3: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[06:02] <Mcl0vin> lotuspsychje: ^^ is when i run lsb_release -a
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> Mcl0vin: can you recall how you installed those packages? manually? ppa?
[06:02] <OerHeks> solution to offline https://askubuntu.com/questions/626642/how-to-install-broadcom-wireless-drivers-offline
[06:03] <Mcl0vin> lotuspsychje: i can't remember
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> Mcl0vin: allright mate, try the 3 cleaning methods
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> Mcl0vin: its reccomended you get apt to not spit out errors anymore, before you lts upgrade
[06:04] <Mcl0vin> lotuspsychje: apt-get autoclean && apt-get clean ?
[06:05] <OerHeks> autoremove, for all those kernels
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> Mcl0vin: no, scroll to the deeper part
[06:05] <ikatamoonshots> mclovin, you didnt run apt-get update before upgrade, its not in the paste?
[06:06] <Mcl0vin> ikatamoonshots: i did
[06:06] <Vivit> Okay, I have the liveusb open
[06:06] <Mcl0vin> ikatamoonshots: you are correct its not in the paste
[06:06] <Vivit> Where should I look for the broadcom driver, lotuspsychje?
[06:06] <Mcl0vin> lotuspsychje> Mcl0vin: no, scroll to the deeper part <--- not following
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: did you read the reccomends we just did?
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> Mcl0vin: <lotuspsychje> Mcl0vin: maybe try something deeper, bleachbit, dpkg purge stubborn package, and ppa's removal
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: oerheks pasted you the offline driver installer howto
[06:09] <Vivit> Oh, sorry, didn't see that
[06:09] <Vivit> I can't find those things in the pool
[06:10] <Vivit> I'm running lubuntu, not vanilla ubuntu, by the way
[06:10] <ikatamoonshots> maybe try reinstalling python3 , no idea how to replicate this
[06:10] <Vivit> is there a #lubuntu channel?
[06:11] <ikatamoonshots> https://askubuntu.com/questions/786156/apt-get-update-not-working-due-to-unmet-dependencies/979022
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> ikatamoonshots: we dont really know how he installed the packages, and he cant recall neither
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: broadcom driver in /pool should also be on the lubuntu live media(iso)
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> can you check it please Vivit ?
[06:13] <ikatamoonshots> "py3clean not found" has some results on a search , above link is one suggests reinstalling python3, the second answer has a more tricky "fix"
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> !info python3-minimal trusty
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> worth a try ikatamoonshots
[06:16] <Vivit> lotuspsychje I'm checking for it
[06:16] <Mcl0vin> lotuspsychje: I am lost. not sure where to start
[06:16] <Vivit> I can't find it
[06:17] <Vivit> What is it called?
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: did you read the link OerHeks provided?
[06:18] <Vivit> Yes.
[06:19] <ikatamoonshots> something like this for a first try id do
[06:19] <ikatamoonshots> sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get update;
[06:19] <ikatamoonshots>  sudo apt-get install --reinstall python3-minimal  && sudo apt-get install --fix-broken ;
[06:19] <ikatamoonshots> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:19] <Vivit> The files listed in that link aren't there one the drive.
[06:19] <Vivit> s/one/on
[06:19] <ikatamoonshots> or just remove python and reinstall it after successful update/upgrade
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: did you see a pool directory?
[06:19] <Vivit> Yes.
[06:19]  * ikatamoonshots best guess
[06:19] <Vivit> I'm looking through the pool directory, and it's not there.
[06:21] <ikatamoonshots> getting rid of python maybe more easy, from what i see its just a python thing
[06:21] <Vivit> The packages available in /pool are as follows: grub2, lupin, mouseemu, setserial, shim, user-setup, and caspar.
[06:21] <Vivit> That's all.
[06:24] <Mcl0vin> ikatamoonshots: python3-launchpadlib gir1.2-dbusmenu-glib-0.4 gir1.2-unity-5.0
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: maybe you can grab the lubuntu-restricted-extras on an usb stick and try like that
[06:26] <ikatamoonshots> ?
[06:28] <Vivit> The package catalog on the web describes lubuntu-restricted-extras as "commonly used media codecs and fonts for Lubuntu"
[06:29] <Vivit> Do wifi drivers count as media codecs?
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: the broadcom driver rests inside the restricted extras
[06:38] <Vivit> Alright, I installed the restricted extras. Reboot?
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> yes plz vivid
[06:38] <Vivit> Alright, I installed the restricted extras. Reboot?
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: can you pastebin sudo lshw -C network please
[06:43] <Vivit> What information do you want from it?
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: the driver: part at bottom
[06:44] <Vivit> um
[06:45] <Vivit> Should it have "driver: " in front of it?
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: driver= yes, if not its not installed properly
[06:46] <Vivit> At the bottom it says resources: memory:b0600000-b0607fff memory:b0400000-b04fffff
[06:46] <Vivit> it must not be installed correctly then
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: try bcmwl-kernel-source then
[07:05] <Geo> ok, Im stuck on getting grub to install properly
[07:05] <Geo> running grub install gives me an error containing "grub-install: warning: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged.."
[07:06] <Geo> The installer kept failing there
[07:06] <thatlizdude> ok I am getting kind of desperate trying to find how to scale my display to 250% because gnome doesn't allow me, it only allows 200% and 300% - is there a way to do this? gnome tweak tools doesn't have this feature
[07:07] <Geo> So I mounted /dev/sda from the live cd, and ran grub-install --root-directory=/home/ubuntu/foo /dev/sda
[07:07] <Geo> but I get that error. I have sda1 as fat32, with boot and esp flags set
[07:08] <thatlizdude> should I just switch to KDE?
[08:28] <caipiblack> Hi, I come back about my library problems. So on Ubuntu 18.04, I don't arrive to find the correct library for "gmp", "mpir" and "Qt5Qwt6" this is for build gnuradio from source (i need it from sources). Buton the new ubuntu, There is problems with these libs.
[08:29] <caipiblack> For gmp i tried to install it manually (./configure, make, make install but during the cmake of gnuradio it doesn't find gmp
[08:29] <caipiblack> Did someone know how cmake "search" for libraries ?
[08:57] <ikatamoonshots> cant reproduce this err on gnuradio build for 18.04 | https://pastebin.com/bdVuCeuv
[08:57] <ikatamoonshots> installed pybombs from pip and satisfied other deps during configure with apt and pip - apparently build successful or i miss something
[09:03] <ikatamoonshots> sry, no qt installed, have to check again
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> caipiblack: we advice to use the packages from the ubuntu repos, instead of compiling your own
[09:15] <ikatamoonshots> installed pyqt5 and libqwt qt5 - apparently the qt deps are resolved , cant reproduce the err
[09:28] <nekowaiidesu> Hi.. Not exactly an Ubuntu question specifically but maybe someone can advise
[09:29] <nekowaiidesu> If I have a damaged HDD, trying to make DD image of it. DD estimates 127 DAYS remaining.
[09:29] <rud0lf> rather ask a question then look for volunteer to ask
[09:29] <rud0lf> o_O
[09:29] <nekowaiidesu> Is there anything that can be done? Or should I kill it and send the drive to forensic/specialist data recovery
[09:30] <OerHeks> i would not use dd, but dd_rescue, dd_rhelp and GNU ddrescue are better options
[09:30] <nekowaiidesu> Apologies, I am using ddrescue not d
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: scan the whole hd with photorec to recover data, then dont use it anymore
[09:33] <nekowaiidesu> lotuspsychje, I can try it - but would it not take just as long? P.S. even when I fdisk -l it freezes my machine for like 5 minutes before it shows sdb (the faulty drive)
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: save what you can save, before it dies :p
[09:34] <nekowaiidesu> Just out of curiosity: Anyone know what the next level of data recovery is? Like how do forensics get stuff of drives that have been opened / heads faulty / platters contaminated etc
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: perhaps select photorec filetypes only scan to reduce workflow
[09:35] <nekowaiidesu> I've never used photorec. Would testdisk be about the same?
[09:35] <OerHeks> gnu ddrescue or dd_rescue makes a difference, use the gnu version https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
[09:35] <nekowaiidesu> OerHeks, oooh, I didn't realize. I'll check it out.
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: photorec is inside the package testdisk yes
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: after install sudo photorec
[09:54] <nekowaiidesu> ><lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: photorec is inside the package testdisk yes
[09:54] <nekowaiidesu> My bad lol :) Then I've used photorec plenty without realising it
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: well testdisk & photorec have both another goal
[10:00] <blackbird1> hi, I try to install ubuntu 18.04 LTS in dual boot with windows 10 on an asus rog from a live usb. After the logo of ubuntu was loaded, the screen blink and some errors are displayed. At that point, the installation doesn't progress.
[10:02] <EriC^^> blackbird1: what errors?
[10:04] <blackbird1> EriC^^, hard to read them, because the screen blink a little bit fast.
[10:04] <EriC^^> blackbird1: try booting with nomodeset and remove 'quiet splash' if it's in the kernel line in grub
[10:05] <blackbird1> EriC^^, some errors, that I could read:
[10:05] <blackbird1> Couldn't get size: 0x800000000000000e
[10:05] <blackbird1> MODSIGN: Couldn't get UEFI db list
[10:05] <blackbird1> Couldn't get size: 0x800000000000000e
[10:05] <blackbird1> ACPI Error:  Names pace lookup failure, AE_NOT_FOUND
[10:06] <blackbird1> and many others
[10:18] <blackbird1> EriC^^, the OS (from live usb) stop at this message: "started user manger for 121" and the screen blink in loop.
[11:01] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:03] <badnick> I haven't been able to get AMD graphics to work in 18.04. It's a system with Intel and AMD graphics. The Intel graphics work fine but when I start something on the AMD card with DRI_PRIME=1, it freezes the entire system for a few seconds
[13:03] <badnick> The error message that appears in TTY1 is variations on [  129.372362] radeon 0000:0a:00.0: ring 0 stalled for more than 11228msec
[13:04] <badnick> glxgears runs 75% of the time and freezes the system and crashes the other 25%
[13:06] <badnick> i've tried switching to the amdgpu driver using boot options since the card is supposed to be supported by both, but the same thing happens, except that the error message is not ring 0 stalled but a segfault at 0x0 (in Xorg.0.log)
[13:06] <mort> I think 18.10 includes a newer kernel with much better support for recent amd graphics chips
[13:07] <badnick> I've tried both upgrading to 18.10 and installing mainline kernels in 18.04, but that doesn't seem to fix it
[13:07] <badnick> and also makes the entire system lock up a few times per day
[13:07] <badnick> so that even REISUB doesn't reboot it
[13:08] <badnick> iirc amdgpu doesn't run at all before kernel 4.18, so there is a difference, but ultimately it still doesn't work and the spontaneous freezing is still there
[13:10] <mort> I have no idea then, sorry
[13:11] <badnick> Thanks anyway
[13:11] <badnick> I'm beginning to think this might be a bug in the driver
[13:12] <badnick> Well, if it segfaults then it probably is, but I can't find any other reports about it
[13:12] <mort> it could even be a hardware issue
[13:13] <badnick> i thought about that as well, but the card always worked fine in windows
[13:13] <badnick> and i think it still does
[13:21] <Sven_vB_> badnick, does REISUB work usually? it might be disabled
[13:23] <badnick> Sven_vB_: yes, it usually works
[13:28] <Sven_vB> looks like blackbird1's problem isn't at boot really, but rather the window manager failing infinitely. is there an easy way to boot into shell-only mode in a default bionic install or would he need to edit the init= kernel parameter?
[13:46] <CrazyH> Is anyone else having problems with the GUI in the latest Ubuntu 16.04 being extremely sluggish and lagged out? I have it happen to me on 3 machines in a row all with fresh installs. They were running fine with an older version of 16.04
[13:56] <Dbugger> Does anyone know for a way to automatically connect to a VPN , when I log into my WiFi? I have looked for a solution for months and I got nothing
[13:59] <TJ-> Dbugger: Network Manager can do it by default
[13:59] <Dbugger> TJ-, "Network manager" comes by default with the distro? Because if it doesnt, I probably do not have it installed
[14:00] <TJ-> Dbugger: yes, it's the tool the manages network for desktop installs.
[14:01] <TJ-> Dbugger: you'll see the network icon in the notification area; bring up it's menu, choose "Edit connections..." choose your Wifi connection. On the Dialog's "General" (first) tab, there's the option "Automatically connect to VPN when using this connection" which you can enable, and choose which VPN to use
[14:04] <Dbugger> TJ-, when I click on the network icon i see this: https://paste.pics/4BUBH
[14:05] <Dbugger> I do not find any "Edit connections..."
[14:07] <TJ-> Dbugger: Maybe the desktop environment you're using is a dumbed-down version of the network-manager-gnome (nm-applet) ? which Ubuntu release and desktop environment are you using?
[14:07] <Dbugger> TJ-, I am using 18.04
[14:08] <TJ-> Dbugger: same here, with Xubuntu (XFCE4)
[14:08] <Dbugger> I have the original Ubuntu version, not another one
[14:08] <CrazyH> Ubuntu 16.04. How to solve slow GUI? I tried this: https://www.systutorials.com/241655/ubuntus-gui-response-is-very-slow/     It didn't work :-/
[14:09] <TJ-> Dbugger: I guess it must have been dumbed down then; maybe you have to edit connections from a different entry point
[14:10] <Dbugger> TJ-, oh wow, I found it
[14:10] <Dbugger> i had to run manually on the terminal "nm-connection-editor"
[14:14] <DaneGeld> Hi all. I need some help. I'm doing some upgrades for a user who I assist, and one of the repositories is coming up no longer signed and disabled by default.  Anyone know how to fix this please?  The release is bionic, and it's the security repo which is causing problems.
[14:17] <TJ-> DaneGeld: can you pastebin the exact report(s) ?
[14:17] <TJ-> !paste | DaneGeld
[14:21] <DaneGeld> don't worry. looks like it might have been a temporary dns resolution problem. We're upgrading now. If it screws up, I'll come back to you :)
[14:33] <Roden> why is the default keyboard shortcurts for ubuntu firefox different?
[14:33] <Roden> http://allhotkeys.com/mozilla_firefox_hotkeys.html
[14:33] <Roden> "download list" does what ctrl-l is sujpposed to do
[14:40] <OerHeks> Roden, who do you trust? that page without certificate, or https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts-perform-firefox-tasks-quickly
[14:42] <OerHeks> ctrl shft y is what you want
[14:58] <solsTiCe> hi. Why do ubuntu software shows me no updates while if I run `sudo apt full-upgrade` there are 87 packages to upgrade ?
[15:00] <coz_> solsTiCe,  sudo apt update && sudo apt-dist-upgrade    << maybe?
[15:03] <iosecure> OerHeks: While I agree with the sentiment about getting data from the correct source, the fact that a page is presented over a TLS connection does not make the content more trustworthy.
[15:05] <OerHeks> that page might as wel be written for window/osx, i cannot tell
[15:06] <iosecure> Sure, but that has nothing to do with certificates.
[15:07] <tomreyn> solsTiCe: 'ubuntu software' also requires you to refresh apt sources (+ snap metadata), there's an icon on the title bar for this purpose
[15:07] <tomreyn> that is, starting 18.04 i think
[15:09] <iosecure> TLS in general only provides three assurances: 1. That you are connecting to a system reasonably assured to be owned by the person controlling the domain presented in the certificate. 2. That the data you received is not likely to have been monitored by a third party. 3. That the data you received is not likely to have been modified in transit.
[15:09] <iosecure> It says absolutely nothing about the accuracy or trustworthiness of the content.
[15:13] <BrickedInTheHead> [10:11:20 am] <ChatterMan> Hey. Upgrading to TPM + LUX and 18 LTS Ubuntu....
[15:13] <BrickedInTheHead> [10:11:33 am] <ChatterMan> Any tool that supports creating uefi bootable usb?
[15:14] <BrickedInTheHead> Cant find any for some reason or even clear guide on how to do it manually
[15:14] <OerHeks> !usb
[15:16] <tomreyn> i think that at least for first-timers the tutorials are actually better than the wiki
[15:16] <tomreyn> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/ -> search for USB
[15:20] <BrickedInTheHead> Thanks
[15:35] <MaoHoshi> test
[15:35] <MaoHoshi> does anyone recognize this error ? [[Failed to connect to non-global ctrl_ifname: (nil) error: No such file or directory]]
[15:38] <TJ-> MaoHoshi: I've searched my entire sourcecode archive which contains most of the core linux system tools and can't find "ctrl_ifname"
[15:38] <TJ-> MaoHoshi: it looked like something from either systemd or iproute2 or the kernel itself
[15:39] <Mcl0vin> hello folks , I am not sure what is broken with my system , please PFA my '/var/log/apt https://pastebin.com/mmJiudmL.
[15:40] <TJ-> MaoHoshi: looks like it's from wpa_supplicant though
[15:41] <TJ-> MaoHoshi: yes, it is: ./wpa_supplicant/wpa_cli.c:51:static char *ctrl_ifname = NULL;
[15:41] <jenenliu> hi guys, I am running a laptop, os is ubuntu 16.04, but there is a wired problem, every time I shutdown, my laptop will reboot
[15:41] <jenenliu> I try google, but can't fix it, can someone help, thanks in advance
[15:42] <TJ-> MaoHoshi: the error report comes from "static void try_connection(void *eloop_ctx, void *timeout_ctx)"
[15:42] <TJ-> jenenliu: sounds like a PC firmware ACPI problem
[15:42] <TJ-> jenenliu: what is the make/model of PC?
[15:42] <jenenliu> lenove laptop
[15:43] <TJ-> jenenliu: model ?
[15:45] <jenenliu> TJ-: it is lenovo m5400, how can I know what model is ?
[15:46] <jenenliu> I try to fix it according this, but I even don't have /etc/grub/modules file  https://askubuntu.com/questions/908606/ubuntu-16-04-reboot-after-shutdown
[15:48] <TJ-> jenenliu: if the system reboots, that means its own firmware is not handling the shutdown request correctly
[15:49] <jenenliu> TJ-: so ?
[15:50] <TJ-> jenenliu: you might be able to identify the exact model and firmware versions with "dmesg | grep DMI:"
[15:50] <TJ-> jenenliu: there's a possible workaround using the acpi_osi kernel option that might help. See http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[15:56] <jenenliu> TJ-: LENOVO 20281 /20281 QB0, BIOS J6ET57WW (2.02) 11/07/2013
[15:56] <jenenliu> this is the ouput of dmes
[15:56] <jenenliu> s/dmes/dmesg/
[16:01] <tomreyn> jenenliu: the next step you could have done now would have been to look for available firmware updates for this model. those are usually listed on a "support" section of the website a computer is branded as. in this case it is this: https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/LAPTOPS-AND-NETBOOKS/LENOVO-M-SERIES-LAPTOPS/LENOVO-M5400-NOTEBOOK/20281/downloads/DS037429
[16:02] <tomreyn> version 2.03, released 25 Jul 2014, is newer than what you have now. the 'summary of changes' does not list a fix for this issue, though.
[16:02] <jenenliu> tomreyn: thanks
[16:03] <tomreyn> so now you can choose to try the bios upgrade nevertheless, or to try the workaround TJ suggested.
[16:03] <tomreyn> * potential workaround
[16:03] <TJ-> jenenliu: from my research it looks like it is a fairly common problem with many Lenovo models, and there doesn't seem to be any clear solution. There are apparently some options in firmware/BIOS setup that might help. See this thread https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-T400-T500-and-newer-T/T400-restarts-on-shutdown/td-p/378543
[16:04] <jenenliu> TJ-: thanks a lot
[16:06] <TR2990WX> usually a hdd is located at .dev.sda but what is the path for a dhd that is connected through a pcie adaptor?
[16:07] <tomreyn> TR2990WX: /dev/nvme* if it's NVMe
[16:09] <TR2990WX> tomreyn: it is normal SATA
[16:10] <tomreyn> TR2990WX: should still be /dev/sd* then, unless it's some RAID or other 'special' format, or the storage connected there isn't detected because there is no driver loaded for the controller.
[16:14] <tomreyn> jenenliu: there's a (single) report here by someone stating that disabling secureboot would solve this issue for them https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-C-E-K-M-N-and-V-Series/RESTARTING-INSTEAD-OF-SHUTTING-DOWN/m-p/3632657#M23760 - maybe worth a try.
[16:48] <BrickedInTheHead> first formatting drive on windows for EUFI boot and then burning ISO on target machine seemed to work
[17:05] <pennTeller> Hi guys, I am having a very weird issue on Ubuntu 18.04 where my sound only works if I have the Sound Settings panel open.. Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this?
[17:10] <TJ-> pennTeller: that 'sounds' familiar - some time ago someone else reported that but I cannot recall how they solved it
[17:10] <TJ-> tomreyn: ^^^ can you recall?
[17:11] <tomreyn> TJ-: i don't remember someone reporting an audio issue which only existed while the sound settings panel was open.
[17:11] <tomreyn> *not open
[17:13] <TJ-> I'll search my logs
[17:14] <pennTeller> Thanks guys
[17:24] <TJ-> I've got that vague recollection of this but I cannot find mention in logs, but then again, I'm not sure what search expression is going to find it! It was probably about 2-3 months ago
[17:24] <TJ-> pennTeller: you've not been here before with the same enquiry have you?
[17:25] <TJ-> pennTeller: maybe I'm suffering Deja-Vue!
[17:25] <TJ-> Grrrr, it was you!!
[17:25] <TJ-> irc.freenode.#ubuntu.weechatlog:795096:2018-11-10 17:37:29      pennTeller      Guys, I have a weird issue where sound only works if I have the Ubuntu sound configuration panel open. Anybody know what could be causing this?
[17:26] <BrickedInTheHead> https://web.archive.org/web/20140818063050/http://www.grounation.org/?post%2F2008%2F07%2F04%2F8-how-to-use-a-tpm-with-linux
[17:26] <BrickedInTheHead> following this atm. But its years old guide
[17:27] <pennTeller> TJ-, yes that was me!
[17:27] <TJ-> pennTeller: glad I'm not going mad :D so obviously you didn't find the solution
[17:28] <pennTeller> TJ-, correct, it stopped happening for a little bit but it came back about a week ago
[17:35] <TJ-> pennTeller: aaah, so now at least there's something to correlate to. What happened on the system at the time it recurred? did you use some software you'd not used in a while? some updates to existing packages maybe?
[17:53] <al_nz1> I have several intel NUC's that run Ubuntu 16LTS just fine. But my most recent one has a system freeze about every 24 hours. It doesnt do much, I just use it for VPN server.  I tried upgrade/update and that didnt fix it. other ideas?
[18:01] <mohnish> Can anyon help? I get an error while running sudo apt update
[18:01] <mohnish> W: Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/InRelease  Temporary failure resolving 'in.archive.ubuntu.com'
[18:01] <mohnish> W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[18:03] <mohnish> Please somebody help!
[18:05] <ryuo> mohnish: is your DNS working?
[18:05] <mohnish> What's DNS?
[18:06] <ryuo> mohnish: the means by which domain names are resolved to a usable address. there's a failure to resolve it, so that's why you get that error.
[18:06] <mohnish> Oh
[18:07] <mohnish> Can I use a different domain then??
[18:07] <ryuo> if this wasn't occurring earlier, it means some DNS server is either unreachable or malfunctioning.
[18:07] <ryuo> mohnish: well, you can try using this to confirm from a terminal: host in.archive.ubuntu.com
[18:07] <mohnish> Then, I would want to use a DNS server that dosen't let me down
[18:08] <iosecure> mohnish: What are the contents of /etc/resolv.conf?
[18:08] <iosecure> Namely, is there a line that starts with "nameserver"?
[18:08] <mohnish> wait a sec
[18:09] <ryuo> if it's 18.04, it's likely the configuration for resolved.
[18:09] <iosecure> Likely. But let's start simple.
[18:09] <mohnish> nameserver 127.0.0.53
[18:09] <iosecure> Yup.
[18:09] <ryuo> so it is resolved.
[18:09] <iosecure> And the output of 'networkctl status'?
[18:09] <mohnish> What does that mean?
[18:09] <ryuo> ok, we should use systemd-resolve to see what's up.
[18:09] <iosecure> Specifically, a line that starts with "DNS:"
[18:09] <ryuo> mohnish: we're talking about software components of Ubuntu.
[18:10] <iosecure> mohnish: I'll explain the mechanics later, after we figure out your issue. :)
[18:10] <mohnish> WARNING: systemd-networkd is not running, output will be incomplete.
[18:10] <mohnish> ●        State: n/a
[18:10] <mohnish>        Address: 192.168.43.215 on wlx20e9170b396c
[18:10] <mohnish>                 fe80::f2ee:e37d:3711:3f73 on wlx20e9170b396c
[18:10] <mohnish>        Gateway: 192.168.43.1 (Motorola Mobility LLC, a Lenovo Company) on wlx20e
[18:10] <mohnish> mohnish@mohnish-desktop:~$
[18:10] <ryuo> ...
[18:10] <ryuo> mohnish: paste bin.
[18:10] <ryuo> that's what we meant.
[18:10] <iosecure> !paste
[18:11] <ryuo> mohnish: it'll remove the quiet in a moment. until then we can't hear you.
[18:11] <ryuo> ok. now it's gone.
[18:11] <mohnish> O
[18:11] <iosecure> mohnish: Sorry, I should have warned you.
[18:11] <mohnish> 0_0
[18:11] <mohnish> That's alright
[18:11] <iosecure> mohnish: This is a desktop, right?
[18:11] <ryuo> not surprising. networkd isn't used on Desktop. networkmanager is.
[18:12] <mohnish> Yes, I'm using a desktop
[18:12] <iosecure> ryuo: Does networkmanager use resolved?
[18:12] <ryuo> iosecure: yes, afaik. i'm using 18.04 desktop
[18:12] <iosecure> Good to know.
[18:12] <mohnish> Im using Ubuntu 18.04
[18:12] <mohnish> It's Xubuntu
[18:12] <ryuo> it relays any DNS servers it knows about to resolved.
[18:12] <iosecure> ryuo: Wasn't sure how that was configured on Ubuntu, so thanks.
[18:12] <ryuo> it changed from usign dnsmasq on 16.04 to resolved on 18.04
[18:13] <mohnish> https://askubuntu.com/questions/711794/apt-get-update-always-failed-to-fetch
[18:13] <iosecure> mohnish: Okay, was there a line that started with "DNS" in that output previously?
[18:13] <mohnish> I tried this
[18:13] <mohnish> The link I sent
[18:13] <ryuo> iosecure: i think systemd-resolve --status is what we need.
[18:13] <mohnish> I think it worked
[18:13] <mohnish> I used the clear command
[18:13] <mohnish> From the link
[18:14] <iosecure> That's not going to be relevant to the issue, but if it's fixed, then great. It's coincidental, but great.
[18:14] <ryuo> then it may have been a transient failure in the DNS servers resolved was using.
[18:14] <mohnish> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xjvN6cmJKz/
[18:14] <iosecure> mohnish: The error you reported, and the error on that thread, are different.
[18:15] <mohnish> Really
[18:15] <mohnish> ?
[18:15] <iosecure> mohnish: That it worked is coincidental. But I'm glad it's working now.
[18:15] <mohnish> But it dosen't show the error anymore
[18:15] <mohnish> I was trying to update to ubuntu 18.10, but it shows I'm up to date
[18:15] <ryuo> that's the nature of network errors. they tend to be transient, like how servers can come and go without you knowing about it.
[18:16] <iosecure> mohnish: Your error was "Temporary failure in name resolution." The error in that thread was "Hash Sum mismatch."
[18:16] <iosecure> mohnish: Was the system originally installed as 18.04?
[18:16] <mohnish> Xubuntu
[18:16] <mohnish> I wanna update to 18.10
[18:16] <iosecure> Yes, but what was the original version you installed?
[18:16] <mohnish> It was 18.04
[18:17] <mohnish> I installed my system this year
[18:17] <iosecure> Then it will, by default, only look for LTS versions for version upgrades.
[18:17] <mohnish> WHAT? But I want 18.10
[18:17] <iosecure> I said "by default." Calm yourself, please.
[18:17] <mohnish> Is there a way I can get it?
[18:17] <mohnish> Okay, sorry
[18:18] <iosecure> In /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades, there's a line 'prompt=lts'. Change it to 'prompt=normal'.
[18:18] <mohnish> okay wait a sec
[18:18] <ryuo> probably should try editting it with nano.
[18:19] <mohnish> Yes, fortunately, I do know how to use nano
[18:19] <mohnish> I switched it to "normal"
[18:20] <mohnish> Let's run sudo apt update
[18:20] <iosecure> That doesn't do a release upgrade.
[18:20] <mohnish> What?
[18:20] <mohnish> I gotta do sudo apt full-upgrade, right?
[18:20] <iosecure> No.
[18:20] <iosecure> sudo do-release-upgrade
[18:21] <mohnish> okay
[18:21] <iosecure> apt update/upgrade will never change which version you're on.
[18:21] <iosecure> 18.04 will stay 18.04.
[18:21] <mohnish> okay
[18:21] <ducasse> do a full-upgrade first, though
[18:21] <mohnish> I did full-upgrade 2 minutes ago befor coming here
[18:22] <mohnish> It's doing some stuff
[18:22] <mohnish> in the terminal
[18:23] <mohnish> iosecure: You here?
[18:23] <iosecure> Yes?
[18:23] <mohnish> It's doing someting
[18:23] <mohnish> I think it's upgrading
[18:24] <mohnish> 70%
[18:24] <iosecure> That would be the intent.
[18:24] <mohnish> 80%
[18:25] <mohnish> I really gotta learn more about linux, don't I? iosecure
[18:25] <mohnish> Now it's installing
[18:25] <ryuo> iosecure: networking at least couldn't hurt.
[18:25] <ryuo> err
[18:25] <ryuo> mohnish: ^
[18:26] <mohnish> yeah?
[18:26] <mohnish> OMG the next update seems so big
[18:27] <ryuo> mohnish: i use openwrt for my router. it's basically embedded Linux.
[18:27] <mohnish> What is that?
[18:27] <ryuo> mohnish: https://openwrt.org/
[18:28] <ryuo> they target a number of consumer routers.
[18:28] <mohnish> oh
[18:28] <ryuo> though i'm using the x86 port.
[18:29] <mohnish> I am learning c++, though, I don't thing it's gonna help me in linux
[18:29] <mohnish> I think I gotta learn python
[18:29] <ryuo> No, the language isn't that important for the OS aspect.
[18:30] <mohnish> Then, what is?
[18:30] <ryuo> I learned with conventional unix languages; C, Shell, AWK.
[18:30] <ryuo> i mean, you can do it with any language really.
[18:30] <ryuo> Shell is perhaps the most relevant.
[18:30] <mohnish> Does that mean you can edit kernels?
[18:30] <mohnish> of linux?
[18:30] <ryuo> No. This is just for userspace.
[18:30] <mohnish> Oh
[18:30] <BrickedInTheHead> mount ssd at boot and root, swap on HDD and rest for /home. Sound good?
[18:31] <ryuo> You need C to actually modify kernel source.
[18:31] <mohnish> Yeah, that's what I did on my install BrickInTheHead
[18:31] <ryuo> Something that isn't for the faint of heart. I've contributed minor kernel code before, but it was just to expand hardware support to my devices.
[18:32] <mohnish> But my home and swap both were on the same HDD
[18:32] <mohnish> ryuo: Why didn't you take in to code kernel?
[18:32] <ryuo> mohnish: Eh?
[18:32] <mohnish> I mean, why don't you code kernels?
[18:33] <ryuo> mohnish: Kernels are complicated beasts, and I don't really care to mess with it.
[18:33] <mohnish> Um, okay
[18:33] <ryuo> Userspace is complicated enough.
[18:33] <mohnish> So you can make hardware support to your kernel?
[18:33] <ryuo> and realistically, there's only a handful of kernels that actually matter outside of academic exercises.
[18:34] <mohnish> Oh
[18:35] <ryuo> mohnish: All I do is add my hardware IDs to existing kernel tables, if applicable.
[18:35] <mohnish> What do you mean "if applicable"? ryuo
[18:36] <ryuo> Every PC is different. Not all require anything to be added.
[18:36] <mohnish> O
[18:36] <mohnish> Oh
[18:36] <mohnish> Well, my update is 42% donw
[18:36] <mohnish> *done
[18:36] <ryuo> But, my ProBook had audio LEDs that didn't work. However the hardware workaround already existed. The kernel just needed to know that it applied to my model.
[18:36] <ryuo> So I added the hardware IDs and it got accepted.
[18:37] <mohnish> Oh
[18:37] <mohnish> Do the leds work now?
[18:37] <ryuo> yes.
[18:37] <mohnish> Nice!
[18:38] <mohnish> Even though I've been using linux for 3 years, I only know little of it
[18:38] <mohnish> 'Cause I've only used the desktop version
[18:39] <ryuo> So? You can learn Linux from such a system.
[18:39] <mohnish> But, I think it's time to change that,
[18:39] <mohnish> Yeah
[18:39] <mohnish> But, I haven't been learning, just using
[18:39] <xamithan> This isn't a chat channel guys
[18:39] <mohnish> xamithan, sorry
[18:39] <ryuo> mohnish: they're right. you want to take this to PM?
[18:40] <xamithan> Personally I don't care,  but they'll ban ya
[18:40] <mohnish> YEah
[18:40] <mohnish> let's go PM
[19:21] <Mcl0vin> hello folks , I am not sure what is broken with my system , please PFA my '/var/log/apt https://pastebin.com/mmJiudmL.
[19:25] <Mcl0vin> hello folks , I am not sure what is broken with my system , please PFA my '/var/log/apt https://pastebin.com/mmJiudmL.
[19:30] <Hamilton> How can I prevent accidental mess-ups by `rm -rf /` ?? (preferably an alias .bashrc)
[19:31] <ikatamoonshots> hey mclovin, still on that issue obv - did you try the solution described here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/786156/apt-get-update-not-working-due-to-unmet-dependencies/979022 && https://askubuntu.com/questions/814577/cant-install-or-remove-anything-on-ubuntu-16-04-because-py3clean-and-py3compile
[19:31] <ikatamoonshots> guess "py3clean not found"  is the err msg https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=py3clean+not+found&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[19:31] <ryuo> Hamilton: rm -rf / isn't something rm will comply with.
[19:33] <ikatamoonshots> hamilton, use sudo - normally you dont need to wipe anything with root - if you have too just be careful :P
[19:34] <Hamilton> ryuo, so why do people tweet about this?
[19:34] <xamithan> tweet about what?
[19:35] <ryuo> Hamilton: old info?
[19:35] <xamithan> Five year old+ information ?
[19:35] <ryuo> !paste
[19:35] <ryuo> Hamilton: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/phhrg2Svqw/
[19:36] <Hamilton> ryuo xamithan maybe...so no need for safe-rm
[19:36] <ryuo> at least if that's all you had in mind.
[19:36] <ryuo> there's lots of ways to hose yourself. that's just one.
[19:36] <xamithan> If you are running a really old distribution that doesn't make you type in --no-root-perserve maybe
[19:36] <xamithan> But for ubuntu,  its redundant
[19:37] <Hamilton> good :D
[19:38] <Hamilton> Is there also a switch or sth to make rm, move stuff to trash?
[19:38] <ryuo> No. "Trash" is a desktop only concept.
[19:38] <ryuo> rm just deletes it outright.
[19:41] <Mcl0vin> Hey ikatamoonshots . yes i did and still getting errors
[19:44] <Mcl0vin> ikatamoonshots: https://pastebin.com/e9igV66t
[19:44] <kgee> When logged in with a user which is part of a group, I'm having trouble accessing a file that has rw permissions on the same group. The issue seems so simple but I'm stumped. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hYkW6G5ZZR/
[19:47] <xamithan> did you log out and back in?
[19:48] <kgee> xamithan, yes. I was part of this group weeks ago and things have been working fine in the past. Today I tried to re-add myself to the docker group, then I logged in/out and even restarted the machine
[19:48] <ikatamoonshots> hmm, https://superuser.com/questions/1124972/failure-with-apt-get-install
[19:48] <ikatamoonshots> second answer maybe,
[19:48] <ikatamoonshots> how did you get there, is it a pending upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 or 16.04 to 18.04?
[19:49] <geirha> kgee: does ''groups'' with no arguments list docker too?
[19:50] <kgee> geirha, no, only outputs 'kyle'
[19:50] <geirha> ok, so your current session doesn't have that group membership for some reason
[19:50] <ikatamoonshots> trickey because wiping python3 breaks all sorts of dependencies, somewhat clueless here - maybe if everything else fails "sudo dpkg -r --force-depends python3* && sudo apt-get install python3" - maybe others here have better clues?
[19:50] <ghostbuster> I'm trying to figure out why I don't seem to be running Wayland on ubuntu 18.04. I have two options at gdm, Ubuntu, and Gnome on Xorg, but no matter which I choose, XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
[19:51] <kgee> interesting. I'm not sure where the permission difference would come from. I'm logged in with a user that has permissions. how could those permissions be reduced in the current session?
[19:51] <geirha> groups shows the group memberships your user had when you logged in
[19:53] <kgee> geirha, so my groups aren't being applied on login? I'm not sure I understand the process here. My user has these permissions, yet logging in and out (or rebooting the machine even) I'm unable to get these to apply
[19:54] <kgee> also, I can use sudo just fine, and sudo group does not come up with 'groups' command
[19:54] <geirha> yeah, it sounds odd that your user has no group memberships
[19:55] <xamithan> You don't need to be in a sudo group to use sudo though
[19:55] <xamithan> Just in the sudoers file
[19:56] <kgee> geirha, I'm running an ubuntu distro i've added cinnamon to, then moved to kde. I have had some odd issues since, and I suspect there have been some cases where conflicting apps get loaded.
[19:56] <kgee> perhaps this is related, and I'm considering burning this all down and starting with stock kubuntu
[19:56] <xamithan> You running kdm ?
[19:57] <ioria> kgee, are yo uusing lightdm ?
[19:57] <geirha> could be something there, but still sounds odd that it should affect group memberships
[19:57] <kgee> ps -A | grep lightdm gives me 4 pids
[19:57] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1781418
[19:57] <kgee> no kdm though
[19:58] <ioria> kgee, The user when logged in, seems not be in any group except for its main group .... sounds familiar ?
[19:58] <kgee> ioria, very familiar! good catch
[19:58] <kreyren> What kernel configuration is required for Xbox360 Controller on ubuntu? just CONFIG_JOYSTICK_XPAD ?
[19:59] <ioria> kgee, comment #5 has a workaround
[20:00] <kgee> alright, well that seems to be a great lead. However I should probably get more aligned with a more standard kde DM toolkit rather than this messy hybrid setup I've snowballed by accident
[20:01] <ioria> agrre
[20:01] <kgee> Might spend an hour and reinstall it from square one
[20:01] <ioria> *agree
[20:01] <kgee> thanks for the help!
[20:01] <ioria> np
[20:03] <Mcl0vin> ikatamoonshots: any other suggestions ?
[20:10] <ikatamoonshots> somehow reinstalling python3 is an idea, beside sudo dpkg -r --force-depends python3* && sudo apt-get install python3 or sudo apt-get install --reinstall python3 && sudo apt-get install --reinstall python3-minimal maybe with a ppa another option, idk
[20:10] <ikatamoonshots> https://askubuntu.com/questions/786156/apt-get-update-not-working-due-to-unmet-dependencies/979022 | second answer on this link eventually - hmm - i probably would just backup and reinstall if this fails too - spending 2 days on such thing is way too much lol
[20:28] <gorbypark> Hi! I just install a "minimal" gnome desktop (just gdm3 and gnome-session to start).  I'm trying to get desktop icons to work..I install nautilus and gnome-tweak-tool and clicked on the appropriate slider, but nothing happens...any idea what else I need to install to make that work?
[20:31] <ioria> gorbypark, that's vanilla gnome ...
[20:33] <gorbypark> ioria: there must be a way, though, right? :)
[20:34] <thiras> hello guys. gnome notifications doesn't focus always when i click them. (like clicking discord message sometimes focus discord but sometimes does nothing) how can i fix it? any idea?
[20:35] <ioria> gorbypark, gsettings get  org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons
[20:35] <mijk> hey on 16.04 I seem to recall after installing Intel's graphic's stack, you could use Intel's graphic util to configure things
[20:35] <mijk> in 18.04 this isn't possible?
[20:39] <gorbypark> ioria: ok so that is set to true..
[20:39] <gorbypark> but i still have no icons
[20:42] <ioria> gorbypark, ps -A | grep nautilus  paste it
[20:47] <gorbypark> ioria: hmm, nothing (unless i open nautilus manually).  i guess i need to somehow have nautilus always running, eh?
[20:47] <ioria> i'd say yes
[20:48] <ioria> gorbypark, one way (manual) is with autostart (startup applications)
[20:48] <ioria> gorbypark, you want nautilus-desktop running
[20:49] <gorbypark> aha, i don't think i even have that installed.
[20:49] <ioria> gorbypark, ls /usr/bin/nautilus-desktop
[20:50] <gorbypark> ooh, i think that it just required a reboot
[20:50] <gorbypark> i have icons! :D
[20:50] <ioria> ok
[20:51] <ioria> gorbypark, ps -A | grep nautilus   again
[20:52] <gorbypark> yeah i have natulus-desktop running now after a reboot
[20:52] <ioria> good
[20:52] <gorbypark> nautilus*
[20:55] <leonardus> Is 1440p/4K working well on GNOME yet?
[20:58] <xamithan> It wasn't working well before?  I have not seen any issues
[20:58] <xamithan> Sure you got to change your scaling but that is it
[21:00] <leonardus> xamithan: I've heard there's issues with high DPI
[21:02] <xamithan> There was,  in 2012 I think
[21:09] <greengameplayer> Is this the help channel?
[21:11] <greengameplayer> Hello
[21:11] <greengameplayer> Is this the help channel
[21:11] <coconut> yes greengameplayer
[21:12] <greengameplayer> Well I need some help
[21:13] <iosecure> Let me consult my crystal ball.
[21:13] <greengameplayer> my apt is most likely broken
[21:13] <coconut> ask, there's always someone reading here...
[21:13] <ducasse> ask your question, with details
[21:13] <Mcl0vin> currently running ubuntu 13.04 and everytime i run 'apt-get update or apt-get -f install it fail and produce errors
[21:14] <iosecure> Mcl0vin: 13.04 has been unsupported for years.
[21:14] <Mcl0vin> iosecure: last thing i remember installing it back 2014 :)
[21:14] <Mcl0vin> but i use it almost daily
[21:14] <greengameplayer> (Sorry about the nubeish irc skills) I cannot seem to get my apt working. Any operations involving it spits out this error: Err:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com cosmic-updates InRelease   503  Service Unavailable [IP: 91.189.91.26 80] Err:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu cosmic InRelease   503  Service Unavailable [IP: 91.189.91.26 80] Err:3 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu cosmic-updates InRelease                     
[21:14] <ikatamoonshots> mclovin, you shouldve said that earlier https://askubuntu.com/questions/91815/how-to-install-software-or-upgrade-from-an-old-unsupported-release
[21:14] <iosecure> Mcl0vin: Doesn't change that it's been unsupported for nearly six years.
[21:15] <iosecure> Five years, sorry.
[21:15] <Mcl0vin> iosecure: so what do you think throw it out the door
[21:15] <ikatamoonshots> youre best off to install a new ubuntu
[21:15] <iosecure> Mcl0vin: What ikata said.
[21:16] <Mcl0vin> iosecure: i hate doing that..quit on a problem like that
[21:16] <ikatamoonshots> the old repositories as linked are used if you need it to compiule old software - pretty much the only reason that comes to my mind
[21:16] <greengameplayer> Are the Ubuntu upadte servers trashed?
[21:16] <greengameplayer> I cannot do sudo apt-get update
[21:16] <iosecure> Mcl0vin: All releases will eventually reach end of life. You need to remain aware of when that is, and upgrade your system to a supported release before this sort of situation arises.
[21:16] <ikatamoonshots> mclovin - hated that too till i took the time to write setup scripts - now it takes 15 minutes to boot a new os
[21:17] <ikatamoonshots> with all apps and setup configs in place
[21:17] <ikatamoonshots> *
[21:17] <greengameplayer> Here's the pastebin: https://pastebin.com/705uAgVu
[21:18] <Mcl0vin> ikatamoonshots: it is actually the box that i am using to chat with you folks here so it is still functioning
[21:18] <iosecure> Mcl0vin: But it hasn't received any kind of security updates in years.
[21:18] <iosecure> Mcl0vin: So while it may function, it does not function safely.
[21:19] <ikatamoonshots> greengame "lsb_release -a"
[21:19] <greengameplayer> Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description:    Ubuntu 18.10 Release:        18.10 Codename:       cosmic
[21:19] <ikatamoonshots> mclovin - software becomes vulnerable if you dont pull updates - running outdates os is a security and compability issue
[21:21] <Mcl0vin> ikatamoonshots: it virtual so no worries there and plus i don't have anything to hide heheheh
[21:21] <greengameplayer> ikatamoonshats Output: Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description:    Ubuntu 18.10 Release:        18.10 Codename:       cosmic
[21:21] <Mcl0vin> ikatamoonshots: so i can spin another one in a matter of minutes ...i just hate the feeling
[21:21] <greengameplayer> moonshots*
[21:22] <Mcl0vin> ikatamoonshots: iosecure plus everything point to python3 being the root cause
[21:22] <iosecure> Mcl0vin: Security is more than just hiding things.
[21:23] <greengameplayer> brb
[21:23] <iosecure> Mcl0vin: It's also to ensure that your system does not become a vector to attack others. You need to upgrade to a supported release, period.
[21:23] <iosecure> Whether that's a multi-step upgrade or a reinstall is up to you, but you need to do one of those two things.
[21:23] <Mcl0vin> iosecure: yes that is what i am trying to do , upgrade but ran into all those issues
[21:23] <ikatamoonshots> mclovin - there are a gazillion reasons to upgrade -  and vm is not equal security https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine_escape
[21:24] <iosecure> Mcl0vin: The problem is that even the subsequent release is out of support.
[21:24] <iosecure> Mcl0vin: A reinstall may be your best bet.
[21:26] <greengameplayer_> Ok i'm back.
[21:26]  * Mcl0vin eyeballing - Ubuntu Server 18.04.1 LTS
[21:26] <Mcl0vin> it fails everytime i try to install it
[21:27] <ikatamoonshots> how does it fail, there isnt much you can do wrong xD
[21:28] <iosecure> Seriously, it's the easiest installer I've ever seen.
[21:28] <greengameplayer_> ikatamoonshots The output is: Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description:    Ubuntu 18.10 Release:        18.10 Codename:       cosmic
[21:29] <ikatamoonshots> ive read it green - https://askubuntu.com/questions/711794/apt-get-update-always-failed-to-fetch | https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=failed+to+fetch+service+unavailable+ubuntu+18&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[21:29] <Mcl0vin> ikatamoonshots: iosecure download fail
[21:29] <greengameplayer_> Oh sorry
[21:31] <greengameplayer_> i'll poke around and see what i can find, thx
[21:31] <ikatamoonshots> xD
[21:33] <Haris> hello all
[21:33] <greengameplayer_> i searched for 503 error but didn't think to search my version
[21:33] <Haris> I'm getting the following errors
[21:33] <Haris> https://pastebin.com/LPttMCdg
[21:34] <Haris> I updated my datadir for mysql. added that path to /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysql . reloaded apparmor with sudo aa-enforce /etc/apparmor.d/* . but still getting these error(s) in repitition when I try to start mysql on Ubuntu 14.x
[21:35] <Haris> what did I miss?
[21:37] <tomreyn> Haris: the error log file location apparently.
[21:37] <Haris> hmm
[21:37] <Haris> I changed that one too
[21:37] <tomreyn> why?
[21:38] <tomvolek> hi all: just installed 18.08 and using Mate desktop,  moving windows are so darn slow . any clue ? I have 64G RAM on an HP proliant server
[21:38] <tomreyn> Haris /var/log/mysql/error.log is the default location for the error log. moving the mysql data dir elsewhere shouldn't change where it logs to, unless you want / need to change where it logs to?
[21:39] <Haris> let me put it back to default
[21:39] <Haris> actually its the bin-logs that I want to go to separate volume
[21:39] <Haris> if that's going to the separate volume, I put the main dbms log there too
[21:40] <Haris> so yes, changing path from default to custom
[21:40] <Haris> log_error = default. log_bin is going to separate vol right now
[21:41] <greengameplayer_> Okay, tried everything that ikatamoonshots' link said, nothing worked
[21:42] <ikatamoonshots> on the phone, brb
[21:43] <tomreyn> Haris: so you'll need to have both paths (one for normal error logs, the other for bin logs) on the apparmor profile.
[21:43] <Haris> ok, error log file was not explictly in that file
[21:43] <Haris> sudo aa-logprof auto-fixed it
[21:43] <tomreyn> tomvolek: there is no "Ubuntu 18.08", i'm afraid.
[21:44] <tomreyn> tomvolek: usually server hardware comes with very limited graphics cards, since... it's servers.
[21:45] <tomreyn> tomvolek: if you need to run this as a desktop / workstation (and like the sound of it next to your desk) then i'd suggest adding a dedicated graphics card.
[21:46] <greengameplayer_> (off-topic) I actually have a server next to my desk, and the server is in the room I sleep in. I got used to it about a month ago.
[21:48] <Haris> https://pastebin.com/ucMY4cHV
[21:48] <Haris> now getting a different error I believe. don't understand what though
[21:48] <tomreyn> greengameplayer_: about your apt repository cache failing to update with 503 errors, this can be the result of a misconfigured proxy cache on your end, but there are several other possible explanations. do you have "pastebinit" installed? run: pastebinit -v
[21:51] <tomreyn> Haris: i don't see an error there (not after 02:31:48) other than mysqld existing quickly with status 1
[21:51] <Haris> yep. that didn't make sense
[21:51] <greengameplayer_> tomreyn: Yes, pastebinit v 1.5
[21:51] <tomreyn> Haris: nothing on mysql's error log?
[21:51] <Haris> 181216  2:51:20 [ERROR] Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist
[21:52] <Haris> killed the base dbms installed files on pkg install. afair they need to be there or I need to re-install the pkg or do something else to make it work?
[21:53] <tomreyn> looks like mysqld isn't finding the "mysql" database
[21:58] <greengameplayer_> tomreyn: Changed the DNS server to 8.8.8.8, no changes
[21:58] <frealgagu> quit
[21:59] <tomreyn> greengameplayer_: post the output of this, please: sudo /bin/true && pastebinit <( ping4 -qc3 security.ubuntu.com; echo; ping6 -qc3 security.ubuntu.com; echo; curl -sI4 http://security.ubuntu.com; curl -sI6 http://security.ubuntu.com; sudo apt-get -o 'Debug::Acquire::Http=1' update 2>&1; )
[22:00] <greengameplayer_> It's running
[22:01] <tomreyn> dns isnt really an issue there - your system had resolved security.ubuntu.com to 91.189.88.162, and this matches one of the ipv4 addresses it resolves to for me.
[22:01] <greengameplayer_> tomreyn: several error messages appeared, all of them were about curl not installed, but I can't install it
[22:02] <tomreyn> oh, right, i was thinking it was installed by default. i guess you'll have wget, though.
[22:02] <greengameplayer_> Yes, most likely
[22:02] <tomreyn> maybe let's just see the apt-get output for now
[22:02] <greengameplayer_> I do, just checked
[22:03] <tomreyn> so this: sudo /bin/true && pastebinit <( sudo apt-get -o 'Debug::Acquire::Http=1' update 2>&1; )
[22:03] <Haris> ok, ran mysql_install_db. that created the base dbms files. also generated the mysql db
[22:03] <Haris> now mysql is running
[22:04] <greengameplayer_> output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pFQ6zW4K8w/
[22:04] <Haris> thank you all
[22:05] <tomvolek> tomreyn : sorry got distrcted,  I want to run this as a server but temporarily i installed the desktop.  This HP proliant server is about 10 years old, found out the graphic driver is: configuration: driver=radeon latency=64 mingnt=8
[22:06] <tomvolek> tomreyn: using lubuntu desktop is slightly faster but not by much
[22:07] <tomvolek> Trying to see if I can find an update to the graphic driver from manufacturer radeon
[22:08] <tomvolek> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[22:10] <tomreyn> greengameplayer_: that's most definitely a proxy server on your end or close to your end which is getting in the way.
[22:12] <tomreyn> greengameplayer_: i can get there fine using: curl --resolve us.archive.ubuntu.com:80:91.189.91.23 --user-agent 'Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (1.7.0)' http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/cosmic/InRelease
[22:13] <tomreyn> greengameplayer_: your computer or (more likely) something on your LAN modifies / responds to your requests, so a transparent proxy.
[22:14] <tomreyn> greengameplayer_: are you in a special environment where such might happen, such as a company or wireless network?
[22:14] <tomreyn> *shared wireless
[22:15] <tomreyn> tomvolek: which server hardware is this exactly?
[22:16] <tomreyn> tomvolek: alternatively, what's the output of: lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA
[22:16] <tomvolek> tomreyn: HP proliant ProLiant DL385 G6
[22:16] <tomvolek> 00:03.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] ES1000 [1002:515e] (rev 02)
[22:16] <tomvolek> Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company ES1000 [103c:31fb]
[22:16] <tomvolek> Kernel driver in use: radeon
[22:16] <tomvolek> Kernel modules: radeonfb, radeon
[22:16] <tomreyn> well that's a minmalistic server gpu
[22:17] <tomreyn> so what i said before holds true
[22:17] <tomvolek> ya, i am goign to use this as a server to run openstack  kafka, etc in my home lab.
[22:17] <tomreyn> then why do you need a graphical desktop on it?
[22:17] <tomvolek> but wanted to run a minimal desktop on it till i get things setup .. then get ride of the desktop
[22:18] <tomvolek> just ease of use , copyig and pasting from two difffent windows, etc.
[22:18] <tomvolek> oh well
[22:18] <tomreyn> greengameplayer_: please note that my irc client is set to ignore any direct messages by default, please talk on the channel.
[22:18] <tomvolek> thanks for your comments
[22:19] <tomreyn> tomvolek: use a graphical scp client, install openssh server on the hp
[22:19] <tomvolek> i have installed openssh already ..
[22:20] <tomvolek> do you have a sco client in mind ?
[22:20] <tomvolek> thats aa good suggestion
[22:20] <tomreyn> which OS will your scp client run on?
[22:21] <tomvolek> I am using a mac on my home wireless lan ..
[22:21] <tomvolek> all have 4 servers in this lab thing all running ubuntu 18.04
[22:21] <tomreyn> cyberduck then, i think, but i'm not so much into macs
[22:21] <tomvolek> ok thanks
[22:21] <tomvolek> tomreyn: one more question, once I install openstack, as you know it has its a dashboard ,,,
[22:22] <tomvolek> since I wont have a desktop on this HP server .. do you know if I can run opnestack dashboard remotely ?
[22:22] <tomvolek> ie look at the dashboard on a remote host ... i guess i need to ask this on openstack room :)
[22:22] <tomvolek> thanks man ...
[22:23] <tomreyn> tomvolek: openstack is a massive software, are you familiar with its management? maybe start with something smaller instead?
[22:23] <tomvolek> we installed and ran it at work .. but what do you suggest ?
[22:23] <tomreyn> tomvolek: what are you trying to achieve?
[22:23] <tomvolek> basically I am trying to learn all these thigns which I had not had time or access at work :)
[22:24] <tomvolek> setting up a small cluster here, I got cisc switches , cisco firewall and 4 server node behind it.. all are up
[22:24] <tomvolek> starting to install the services I want to play with like openstack and Kubernetees, casandra , kafka , etc
[22:25] <tomvolek> I have lots time on my hand :)
[22:25] <tomreyn> ok, hmm, 4 servers should be a good foundation in terms of hardware, but unless you're already into such complex architectures i'd just start with setting up a qemu+kvm host, managed by libvirt or something
[22:26] <tomreyn> or keep trying with openstack and see how far you can get. ;-)
[22:26] <tomvolek> ya, we used kvm with libvirt at work .. now I am trying to use things which i had not used before ..
[22:26] <tomvolek> exactly no harm in failing :)
[22:26] <tomreyn> depends, companies have gone bankrupt over trying to make openstack work for them.
[22:27] <tomreyn> but this was some years ago, maybe things look better now.
[22:27] <tomvolek> few of my coworkers did it at our shop 10,000 server, its up for two years very nicely
[22:27] <tomreyn> first of all i suggest you ask more questions in an openstack channel and in #ubuntu-server
[22:27] <tomvolek> i will
[22:28] <tomvolek> ya this equipment is left overs from work so graphic card is old, i am sure thats the problem
[22:28] <tomvolek> i will tear down the desktop and try to use one of the clients you suggested
[22:29] <tomreyn> hp g6 is also kind of old now. but as long as you dont need to run a graphical desktop there it should be fine
[22:29] <tomvolek> tomreyn: where you at ?
[22:29] <tomvolek> ya it is .. its AMD based , it waa cheaper , so our shop was all AMD,  our platform is a VOIP call center ..
[22:30] <tomvolek> it has 12 core total , so its good for what i want to use
[22:30] <tomreyn> cool, good luck!
[22:31] <tomvolek> thanks mate
[22:31] <tomvolek> thanks for helping others :)
[22:31] <tomreyn> yw
[22:35] <elias_a> I have a large amount of mpg-files in a directory. Name format of the files is nnnnnn.mpg How do I write a list of them so that they in ascending number order?
[22:36] <iosecure> elias_a: Are they all six digits, or does it go 9.mpg to 10.mpg, etc?
[22:37] <elias_a> iosecure: They start from 2 digit numbers, end with 6 digit numbers. Not all of the numbers are used.
[22:38] <iosecure> elias_a: ls -1 | sort -n
[22:39] <iosecure> Will sort in numerical order instead of lexical.
[22:39] <elias_a> iosecure: TY!
[22:42] <greengameplayer> i'm back
[22:42] <greengameplayer> You were right
[22:44] <tomreyn> elias_a: there are people who say you should use find rather than ls for batch processing (i don't remember the reasoning). here's a 'find' approach, if not a great one:  cd directory_containing_mpg_files; find -maxdepth 1 -type f -name '*.mpg' | cut -b3- | sort -n
[22:45] <greengameplayer> tomreyn you were right ; as soon as I got on my phone hotspot it worked
[22:46] <tomreyn> greengameplayer: okay, glad you got a workaround. maybe the environment you were in beforehand runs a local apt repository and tried to redirect the traffic there (but failed).
[22:47] <elias_a> tomreyn: Thanks - I will try that too.
[22:48] <elias_a> I'll probably ask you people more after a good night sleep...
[22:48] <tomreyn> elias_a: please do!
[22:48] <elias_a> I am trying to join these short video files to a few large files...
[22:49] <Goop> Hey, I have been looking for a stupid stupid stupid simple paint program for Ubuntu, but I can't seem to find any. Nothing seems to be as good as Microsoft paint.
[22:49] <elias_a> They are actually short surveillance camera video clips of northern bats in a breeding colony.
[22:49] <elias_a> Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C80AdEsYxcs
[22:50] <tomreyn> elias_a: i'm not good at video editing, but i assume ffmpeg may be the desirable utility for it.
[22:50] <elias_a> I really have a _lot_ of them. :)
[22:50] <greengameplayer> tomreyn: I don't think so, the IT guy is a bit scared of linux b/c you can use it for purposes OTHER than school... But it confuses me to no end why he would block only updates
[22:51] <elias_a> tomreyn: Yes - mkvmerge should also do the job.
[22:52] <elias_a> Goop: Have you tried Krita?
[22:52] <iosecure> greengameplayer: Sounds like your IT guy is an idiot.
[22:52] <Goop> elias_a, yes. It is too complicated.
[22:52] <Goop> elias_a, I need Microsoft Pain level of simplicity.
[22:53] <elias_a> Goop: Pinta?
[22:54] <Goop> elias_a, I will try tha .
[22:54] <Goop> that*
[22:54] <elias_a> Goop: Gnome Paint is even more simple.
[22:54] <elias_a> Goop: https://askubuntu.com/questions/36577/is-there-a-program-like-microsoft-paint
[22:55] <tomreyn> greengameplayer: if he's blockig those requests intentionally then he's sending the wrong status / error code. 503 is for when things broke on a server. he should be sending a 4XX stauts if it's a policy based decision not to serve this.
[22:55] <elias_a> Now - good night from SW Finland - take care!
[22:56] <tomreyn> elias_a: bye bye
[22:59] <greengameplayer_> tomreyn: Lol! I'll send an email to him about it... Most likely will start like: "Could you please allow Ubuntu update traffic? If not, then please start sending the correct error code."
[23:03] <tomreyn> greengameplayer_: sounds reasonable. if i was you i'd try to talk to them in person if that's an option, to get the fuller explanation in case there are things they could not express in written form.
[23:04] <greengameplayer_> @tomreyn: Okay, will do. I like the idea that he was accidently blocking traffic, but i'll ask.
[23:04] <tomreyn> generally if this is a policy it seems like a weird one, and they should probably check with people here about better strategies to achieve what they want to achieve.
[23:05] <tomreyn> if you wanted to work around it you could probably just pick any other archive mirror and use that instead
[23:05] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[23:06] <greengameplayer_> Ah,yes. It would be more effective to add a total block of traffic execept for Windows traffic, but IDK.
[23:06] <greengameplayer_> Thx for the workaround tip
[23:08] <Major_Wedgie> Welcome back1
[23:09] <ikatamoonshots> hey green, guess your issue was solved?
[23:10] <greengameplayer_> Yeah it was, thanks for asking.
[23:11] <greengameplayer_> The school network i was connected to was blocking update traffic
[23:12] <ikatamoonshots> omg, read that
[23:15] <ahi2> anyone have shutdown freezes problem on 18.04? acpi=force in grub didn't work.
[23:16] <tomreyn> ahi2: i don't, but maybe tell us more about it: what's the hardware. which ubuntu release exactly, fresh install or upgrade?
[23:17] <ahi2> 18.04 on acer aspire 4750g laptop
[23:17] <ahi2> 18.04.1
[23:17] <ahi2> fresh install
[23:17] <tomreyn> is this an amd ryzen one?
[23:18] <ahi2> it is i3 with nvidia-390
[23:18] <ahi2> could it be nvidia?
[23:18] <tomreyn> by "shutdown freezes", do you mean that it freezes after you initiated a software shutdown?
[23:19] <ahi2> yes and during shutdown it says power-off started and then just hangs
[23:19] <tomreyn> 4750g seems to be a series, there are many different submodels
[23:20] <tomreyn> but i guess its cleanr enough for now
[23:21] <tomreyn> ahi2: what does this report (should be just one line, you can paste it here)? dmesg -t | grep ^DMI
[23:22] <ahi2> im on a different computer typing this
[23:22] <tomreyn> i see. well make sure you got the latest firmware installed on it.
[23:23] <tomreyn> this may also help: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[23:23] <ahi2> i read that it might be 4.15... kernel
[23:25] <tomreyn> why wre you using acpi=force, does it not use acpi by default?
[23:25] <ahi2> acpi=force was not in grub but what i googles said to try acpi=force
[23:26] <tomreyn> so i guess i'm asking "what did you google?"
[23:27] <ahi2> here is one old one - http://www.ahfx.net/weblog/160
[23:27] <tomreyn> i suggest you boot it with default kernel parameters and upload dmesg
[23:27] <Geo> Hi folks, I'm trying to install ubuntu on a new laptop, but grub won't install at the very end. Where/how should I start troubleshooting this?
[23:28] <ahi2> ok thanks tomyren
[23:28] <tomreyn> ahi2: this articles is apparently 9 years old. is your computer this old?
[23:28] <ahi2> no but it was an example i found. https://askubuntu.com/questions/764568/ubuntu-16-04-hangs-on-shutdown-restart
[23:29] <Geo> boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi: Read only system
[23:29] <gambl0re> my laptop has a two cameras. the infrared camera and the webcam itself. every time i open up an app that requires the webcam it always uses the infrared webcam which just displays a green screen. anyone know how to switch to the built in webcam instead? thanks
[23:29] <Geo> gambl0re: Can't help, but very curious- why an infrared cam?
[23:30] <gambl0re> i dont know. the laptop came with it
[23:31] <Geo> I just can't imagine why a user would want one, or what it would be used for on a laptop. ... or what manufacturer thought that was a market niche, heh
[23:31] <Geo> What brand?
[23:31] <gambl0re> Geo, https://i.imgur.com/241nof1.jpg
[23:32] <gambl0re> and this is what it looks like
[23:32] <gambl0re> https://i.imgur.com/VITGZYM.jpg
[23:33] <Geo> wierd :)
[23:35] <tomreyn> maybe it's means as an IR signalling receiver to use the laptop for presentations? indeed special.
[23:35] <Geo> tomreyn: good thought, for a remote or something, yeah
[23:35] <Geo> TV tuner
[23:36] <tomreyn> hmm no its actually for facial recognition
[23:36] <ikatamoonshots> dell latitude 13 3000 | Finally, for added security, the laptop comes with an infrared webcam that supports Windows Hello out of the box.
[23:36] <ikatamoonshots> https://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/laptops/dell-s-new-2-in-1-latitude-laptop-adds-security-ir-camera-1328722
[23:36] <irwiss> it's likely so you can't put a photo in front of webcam and have it unlock the account
[23:36] <iosecure> Correct.
[23:37] <Geo> Hi folks, I'm trying to install ubuntu on a new laptop, but grub won't install at the very end. Where/how should I start troubleshooting this? In dmesg I see an error "boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi: Read only system"
[23:37] <gambl0re> can anyone help me or what?
[23:37] <iosecure> gambl0re: So the other camera just doesn't appear?
[23:38] <ikatamoonshots> maybe you can disable it in the bios?
[23:38] <gambl0re> wait nevermind it works. i had to look in the settings. thanks
[23:39] <gambl0re> i dont know why they wouldnt use the built in webcam by default.
[23:39] <iosecure> Because Linux sees the IR cam as another built-in webcam, and it might have a lower device or bus ID.
[23:39] <gambl0re> oh alright
[23:39] <iosecure> So because it was detected "first," it uses that as the first option in the list.
[23:39] <gambl0re> i see thanks
[23:41] <Geo> Hmmm... do i need to disable secureboot to install grub?
[23:41] <tomreyn> Geo: reboot into windows and make it shut down properly / cleany, always.
[23:42] <Geo> windows is gone
[23:43] <Geo> im talking bios
[23:43] <iosecure> We know that.
[23:44] <iosecure> Not shutting down cleanly can leave any filesystems that Windows used in a dirty state, and Linux will refuse to write to them.
[23:44] <iosecure> Even though you've removed Windows, that filesystem is still there. It likely needs to be reformatted.
[23:44] <Geo> i've done that as well
[23:45] <Geo> So my question was, do I need to disable secureboot in the bios?
[23:47] <tomreyn> Geo: generally ubuntu works fine with secureboot, but there are bad / broken uefi implementations. the issue you're probably facing is that you have a broken fat file system on the efi system partition (ESP) currently, which prevented the installer from writing the grub stub there.
[23:47] <iosecure> Geo: No. And that won't cause the error you're getting.
[23:49] <Geo> so what steps would you suggest I take to start trying to fix this?
[23:49] <iosecure> Reformat the ESP and try the install again.
[23:50] <Geo> So I feel like I've done that once, but perhaps not correctly- is it possible to do that from the installer, or do I need to drop to the terminal first, then re-run the installer?
[23:50] <Geo> The installer doesn't seem to let me click the 'format' button when re-adding a partition there now
[23:50] <iosecure> Terminal.
[23:51] <iosecure> mkfs.vfat -F32 /dev/sda1, or something similar to that invocation.
[23:51] <Geo> yep, thanks
[23:51] <Geo> I'll try again
[23:51] <tomreyn> Geo: run this after booting off the ubuntu installer / live iso and tell us what the output is: sudo /bin/true; DEVICE=$(sudo blkid | awk '/ LABEL="ESP" / {print $1}' | tr -d ':'); echo "ESP device: $DEVICE"; echo; sudo fsck.vfat -vVa $DEVICE
[23:51] <iosecure> tomreyn: Why is everything you suggest some Rube Goldbergian shell insanity?
[23:51] <iosecure> tomreyn: There is something to be said for simplicity.
[23:52] <tomreyn> Geo: or recreate the file system, if there's nothing else there that needs to be preserved.
[23:52] <Geo> I get a 'permission denied' when trying to format now
[23:52] <tomreyn> iosecure: Geo doesn't know how to fsck, so i'm providing a tested approach to do it.
[23:52] <Geo> which would make sense if it is in a read-only state
[23:52] <ikatamoonshots> in another place i read to set boot in bios to legacy https://askubuntu.com/questions/760982/grub-installation-failed-ubuntu-16-04-fresh-installation-unable-to-boot-form-us && https://www.itzgeek.com/how-tos/linux/ubuntu-how-tos/how-to-install-ubuntu-18-04-lts-bionic-beaver-on-uefi-and-legacy-bios-system.html
[23:53] <tomreyn> iosecure: your approach would remove any other boot code, so it's not that easy.
[23:53] <Geo> 'unable to open /dev/sda1: Permission denied'
[23:53] <iosecure> tomreyn: He's trying to install Ubuntu on a system with nothing else. What bootcode needs to remain, exactly?
[23:53] <iosecure> tomreyn: Please stop overcomplicating things as a way to show off.
[23:54] <iosecure> Geo: Make sure it's unmounted, and if the shell isn't running as root, prefix the command with sudo.
[23:54] <tomreyn> iosecure: please don't ignore possible side effects of the assumptions you're making.
[23:55] <Geo> iosecure: I booted off of a usb; sda1 isn't listed in mount
[23:55] <Geo> oh crap
[23:55] <Geo> sudo.
[23:55] <Geo> thought i was root
[23:55] <iosecure> :)
[23:55] <Geo> ok, formatted
[23:55] <tomreyn> iosecure: one example for things you may want to preserve is an efi shell, another a firmware update mechanism,yet another a persistent 'live OS'
[23:55] <iosecure> Now, I'd suggest rebooting, and trying the installation again from the beginning.
[23:56] <Geo> This is my first repurpose of a Win10 laptop... it really gets in there now
[23:56] <Geo> first rule of skynet is self-preservation...
[23:57] <iosecure> Windows could have simply marked the filesystem as dirty. Marking the ESP for formatting in the installer does not ACTUALLY format it. I've run into that issue previously.