[07:55] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:58] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[07:58] <jibel> Hi oSoMoN and duflu
[07:58] <duflu> Hi jibel
[07:58] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, jibel
[08:39] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:39] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[08:39] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ?
[08:39] <oSoMoN> oui, et toi?
[08:40] <seb128> nickel, un peu la bourre pour finir des choses avant les vacances mais sinon ça va :)
[08:41] <oSoMoN> pareil, pas assez de jours dans la semaine pour tout faire, et c’est justement la période de l’année où j’aimerais me poser et faire les choses tranquillement sans stress…
[08:44] <seb128> :(
[08:53] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:53] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[08:53] <duflu> seb128, without headache so much better than yesterday. How are you?
[08:53] <seb128> tseliot, hey, bug #1808874 might one for you? (unsure if you are subscribed to the component, I just review daily bugs and it's in today's batch)
[08:58] <tseliot> seb128: I don't think we use nvidia-detector any more. I should just remove it
[09:00] <seb128> tseliot, sounds good to me, having a non working tool is confusing, dropping it is fine and resolves the issue :)
[09:01] <tseliot> seb128: yes. I'll take care of that
[09:01] <seb128> thx!
[09:03]  * Laney nods vigorously
[09:03] <willcooke> Is nvidia-detector different to the "additional drivers" section in Software & Updates?
[09:03] <willcooke> also hi
[09:07] <seb128> happy cold-decembre-morning u.k
[09:07] <seb128> hoi willcooke Laney
[09:07] <duflu> Morning willcooke and Laney
[09:10] <Laney> hey seb128 duflu
[09:11] <Laney> vot iz up
[09:14] <Laney> I forgot to do a status update /o\
[09:15] <oSoMoN> no Xmas presents for Laney!
[09:15] <Laney> 6 replies, so did everybody else it seems
[09:15] <duflu> Wrong page?
[09:15] <seb128> no, it has 6 posts
[09:16] <seb128> some holidays though
[09:16] <duflu> Maybe he means 6 < 11
[09:16] <seb128> yes, 6 is low is what he meant I think
[09:17] <Laney> yes
[09:17] <Laney> was that not clear?
[09:17] <seb128> jamesh, tkamppeter, weekly summary reminder?
[09:17] <seb128> others were off yesterday/on holidays
[14:02] <Nafallo> meeting? ;-)
[14:02] <Nafallo> :-) even
[14:05] <Nafallo> oh, I'm early...
[14:31] <willcooke> Meeting
[14:31] <willcooke> !
[14:31] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2018-12-18
[14:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec 18 14:31:48 2018 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:31] <andyrock> o/
[14:31] <Nafallo> o/
[14:32] <seb128> hey
[14:32] <jbicha> o/
[14:32] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks (hols), duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney (out), oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho (hols), robert_ancell (out)
[14:32] <jibel> hi
[14:32] <kenvandine> o/
[14:33] <willcooke> I think we've got enough people.  I'll start on the BB incoming
[14:33] <willcooke> andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[14:33] <willcooke> oops
[14:33] <oSoMoN> o/
[14:33] <willcooke> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:33] <willcooke> The usual url-dispatchers #1718254
[14:34] <willcooke> Nothing new
[14:34] <jbicha> oh that shouldn't be tracked for bionic
[14:35] <willcooke> kk, marked as not fixing
[14:35] <willcooke> Just looking at bb tracking
[14:36] <willcooke> Does this need work in compiz still?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1778817
[14:37] <willcooke> cc incoming is clear
[14:37] <seb128> (unsure about that compiz one)
[14:37] <willcooke> cc tracking is in good shape
[14:37] <andyrock> mmm not sure how does it relate to compiz
[14:38] <andyrock> usually is the update manager that should disable the lockscreen during the upgrade
[14:38] <willcooke> Yeah, and that's fixed, so perhaps we can mark it as not affecting compiz?
[14:38] <andyrock> yeah
[14:38] <willcooke> andyrock, would you do the honors?
[14:38] <andyrock> kk
[14:38] <willcooke> thx
[14:38] <willcooke> dd incoming: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:39] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1805857 is assigned to L_aney - checking my notes
[14:39] <kenvandine> whoops, i forgot to update the hub before my days off
[14:39] <seb128> he mentioned it in his summary
[14:39] <seb128> he has it on his backlog before holidays
[14:40] <willcooke> got it
[14:40] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bug/1808874
[14:40] <willcooke> was talked about this morning
[14:40] <willcooke> This is different to the software and updates tool right?
[14:40] <seb128> yes, it's a command line utility which is not in use nowadays apparently
[14:41] <willcooke> kk cool
[14:41] <seb128> I don't think it's import to rls track so I would tag -notfixing
[14:41] <seb128> and assign to tseliot since he said he's going to fix it
[14:41] <willcooke> done
[14:42] <willcooke> everything else is clear
[14:42] <willcooke> woot
[14:42] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bug/1768637 ?
[14:42] <willcooke> Feels like we're on top of the rls bugs
[14:42] <willcooke> oh, I assumed that wasnt a desktop one
[14:42] <seb128> it's in desktop set on the list :p
[14:43] <seb128> tseliot, ^ do you know what's the deal with this one?
[14:43] <willcooke> meh
[14:43] <seb128> I would probably vote -notfixing and havign a look anyway, same as previous one
[14:43] <tseliot> seb128: it's not really a bug
[14:44] <willcooke> tseliot, would you mind commenting on the bug?  I'll mark as not fixing
[14:45] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[14:45] <seb128> tseliot, well, having those sort of messages by default in the journal seems buggy to me, and the string contains "error", maybe the message should be at least changed to hint those are ok problems
[14:45] <willcooke> Anyone got anything they want to talk about, ask for help on, etc?
[14:45] <tseliot> willcooke: I can make the app more quiet if it bothers uses that much
[14:45] <seb128> or hidden by default/behind a --debug option
[14:45] <tseliot> *users
[14:46] <jbicha> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages looks mostly good
[14:46] <jbicha> could we get Desktop removed from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgresql-common ?
[14:46] <seb128> tseliot, well, if I see those in the warning it looks like something is trying to access things and failing so a bug
[14:46] <jbicha> I'm going to handle sane-backends this week
[14:46] <willcooke> thanks jbicha
[14:46] <seb128> jbicha, L_aney stepped up to handle that section
[14:47] <seb128> seems like you are stepping on each others toes
[14:47] <seb128> which is not nice
[14:47] <seb128> but thanks for carring, just maybe do it in a way synced up with him?
[14:47] <jbicha> I think Laney said he wasn't going to be able to make the meeting?
[14:47] <jbicha> and we were in AOB now
[14:47] <seb128> he sent his summary/status via email
[14:47] <seb128> I expected willcooke to share it
[14:47] <jbicha> I don't mind letting someone else handle it :)
[14:48] <willcooke> #topic Migrations
[14:48] <willcooke> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:48] <willcooke> apport, we should ask foundations/bdmurray to investigate, seems that
[14:48] <willcooke> test got way slower / more flaky recently
[14:48] <willcooke> sane-backends, same old story with no progress
[14:48] <willcooke> pygobject, would be good if someone were to look at the ubuntu-make
[14:48] <willcooke> regression there
[14:48] <willcooke> harfbuzz fails in debian too, hopefully we get an update for free
[14:48] <willcooke> libixion/liborcus seems to come down to test failures
[14:48] <willcooke>   https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#mdds
[14:48] <willcooke> rls looks OK to me
[14:48] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[14:48] <seb128> willcooke, thx :)
[14:49] <jbicha> libreoffice will need a rebuild for liborcus
[14:49] <willcooke> sorry. I assumed everyone had seen it, but of course, that email wont be public
[14:50] <seb128> k, so sane-backends jbicha said he would deal with, thx!
[14:50] <seb128> do we have anyone who wants to look at ubuntu-make?
[14:50] <willcooke> Was there a community maintainer there for a while?
[14:51] <seb128> I think so, Didier would know the detail but he's on holidays
[14:51] <jbicha> ubuntu-make has ssl cert errors in its autopkgtest log
[14:51] <willcooke> I can see if I can track the guy down
[14:51] <willcooke> might be an easy fix
[14:52] <oSoMoN> jbicha, re libreoffice, I'm preparing 6.1.4 and will upload to disco today
[14:52] <seb128> oSoMoN, did you see the mdds failure (https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-disco/disco/amd64/m/mdds/20181218_114522_7f023@/log.gz) ?
[14:52] <seb128> unsure if that's going to be an issue for libreoffice
[14:52] <jbicha> oSoMoN: thanks, liborcus was just syncd from Debian a few hours ago so no need to rush :)
[14:53] <oSoMoN> seb128, nope, looking
[14:53] <seb128> jbicha, @ssl,  so it's a known issue/you know what to do?
[14:54] <jbicha> seb128: I don't know what to do for ubuntu-make except ask Foundations for help?
[14:54] <seb128> k, I though you made that comment because you had more info on what the ssl problem is
[14:54] <seb128> it's obvious from the log that there is a ssl error yes :p
[14:56] <seb128> there is also a code coverage error
[14:56] <seb128> oh well, let's see if xnox maybe can help with the ssl issue, otherwise that can probably wait post holidays
[14:57] <willcooke> It's not blocking anything is it?
[14:57] <seb128> pygobject only
[14:57] <seb128> which I don't think is in a transition at this point
[14:57] <willcooke> it can probably wait then
[14:58] <willcooke> anything else before we end the meeting?
[14:58] <seb128> not from me
[14:58] <willcooke> we can continue after if needed
[14:58] <willcooke> thanks all
[14:58] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[14:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec 18 14:58:54 2018 UTC.
[14:58] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-12-18-14.31.moin.txt
[14:58] <seb128> thx
[14:59] <jbicha> 🏂
[14:59] <willcooke> kenvandine, any ideas on this bug?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-characters/+bug/1808785  Is it related to search providers?
[14:59] <kenvandine> no
[14:59] <kenvandine> shouldn't be
[15:00] <andyrock> thx
[15:00] <kenvandine> i'll look at that one
[15:00] <seb128> willcooke, if you double click on a symbol do you get a proper name for it
[15:00] <seb128> or just an unicode char number?
[15:00] <willcooke> just the unicode numebr
[15:01] <seb128> right, that's the issue, same here
[15:01] <seb128> kenvandine, but it works for you? you get the name?
[15:01] <jbicha> willcooke: searching in the snap works fine for me
[15:01] <willcooke> huh
[15:01] <willcooke> jbicha, did you do a fresh install?
[15:01] <seb128> jbicha, and detail views have the full name?
[15:02] <seb128> jbicha, do you know where it's getting the name from?
[15:02] <kenvandine> checking
[15:02] <kenvandine> if i search by name i get the emoji
[15:02]  * kenvandine tries other way
[15:02] <jbicha> I have rev 139 instaleld with the default gnome-3-26-1604 snap
[15:02] <willcooke> lemme try in a VM
[15:02] <willcooke> (sorry folks, don't put too much time in here, it's only emoji after all)
[15:02]  * willcooke expects slaps from Laney 
[15:03] <seb128> 'only', that's all what kids carfe about when sending msg :p
[15:03] <seb128> or I've been told so!
[15:04] <kenvandine> it does work for me
[15:04] <kenvandine> by name and by emoji
[15:04] <kenvandine> but not the color emoji
[15:04] <kenvandine> not sure what's different
[15:05] <jbicha> I have color emoji
[15:05] <kenvandine> i have color emoji
[15:05] <kenvandine> but if i search for "smile" i only see the non-color smile emoji
[15:06] <kenvandine> and if i copy the char for a color emoji and search for it i don't find anything
[15:06] <kenvandine> but if i copy the char for non-color emoji and search it does find it
[15:07] <willcooke> Instead of "Santa" I have "CJK Unified Ideograph-1F385"
[15:07] <willcooke> not as festive
[15:07] <jbicha> oh
[15:07] <jbicha> I uninstalled the gnome-characters .deb and I think I see what Will was seeing
[15:07] <willcooke> ahh
[15:07] <willcooke> yes
[15:07] <seb128> I don't have the deb
[15:07] <jbicha> I used 'snap run gnome-characters' but maybe dbus-activated apps are more fun
[15:07] <willcooke> ah yes, I removed it
[15:08] <jbicha> I haven't looked into the details, but I think the names are magically compiled into the app
[15:08] <seb128> you lost me there
[15:08] <seb128> if that was the case then having the deb installer shouldn't make a difference
[15:09] <jbicha> it is a strange app and out of date (I think it supports Unicode 9 mostly?)
[15:10] <jbicha> gtk's emoji chooser at least supports Unicode 10
[15:10] <kenvandine> andyrock: the lock screen/ubuntu-dock issue is back now :(
[15:10] <willcooke> fresh install of 18.04 works fine
[15:11] <andyrock> kenvandine: I knew that it was not a full fix
[15:11] <kenvandine> i left my laptop asleep for 4 days... woke it up this morning and saw the dock and the screen while it was actually locked
[15:11] <kenvandine> andyrock: yeah, you had said that :/
[15:11] <andyrock> kenvandine: I need to debug it manually
[15:11] <jbicha> seb128: btw, GNOME is dropping the To Do app from GNOME Core
[15:11] <kenvandine> it seemed solid to me for 2 days... before it had been reliably broken
[15:12] <jbicha> I noticed because of https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-online-accounts/commit/bf77325d8 (which is a bit inaccurate)
[15:12] <seb128> jbicha, what's the rational?
[15:13] <jbicha> also https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-build-meta/commit/5ca458d300
[15:42] <Laney> 😭
[15:43] <seb128> wb Laney
[15:43] <Laney> guten tag
[15:44] <Laney> thx for pasting me thing
[17:19] <oSoMoN> good night all
[18:58] <willcooke> night all
[20:21] <seb128> jbicha, thx for the reviews/details, I don't think I'm going to bother dealing with having to manually add Gbp keywords at the bottom of commits but it's useful to know
[20:22] <seb128> that work feels over-engineered
[20:22] <seb128> I mean it's a fine tech, powerful, but it makes any 'easy' work being so much more tedious that it used to be
[20:22] <seb128> than*