[00:00] anyone have a Dell XPS desktop running ubuntu? Ubuntu certified hardware list doesn't show XPS desktops. [00:02] Rulzern: try unplugging any devices you dont strictly need, make sure you have sufficient power supply to power multiple devices on the usb. === BritishHotDog is now known as BirthdayHotDog [00:03] + check whether someof the usb attached devices can be powered externally [00:04] ahi2: most definitely there are people who run ubuntu on such computers. you could just search the web. this wont tell you how well a specific model would work, however. [00:05] someone said it doesnt run linux. they probably don't know what they are doing [00:05] tomreyn: I've attempted to disconnect all devices, and only having one of the following connected: a logitech unifying receiver, a USB stick, a TP-link wireless receiver - none of them seem to have any effect [00:05] ahi2: typically, anything which is not extra low cost stuff works fine, with some exceptions for very new hardware, exotic hardware, and some wireless chipsets. [00:06] ok thanks [00:07] ahi2: "dell xps desktop" is a product series, it's not a specific model. making a generic statement on whether or not ubuntu runs on an entire series of very different computers makes no sense most of the time, it does not in this case. [00:07] Rulzern: so those you have connected do work / are properly detected? [00:08] the certified list shows various laptop models that do run ubuntu just not xps models [00:08] tomreyn: no, the only things lsusb/usb-devices list are hub devices and controllers (2 of each), none of the devices I actually plug in to the machine [00:08] ahi2: lack of a listing does not state incompatibility. [00:08] not xps desktop models [00:08] right [00:09] Rulzern: is rebooting an option? [00:10] Rulzern: when did this issue first occur relative to any majro changes you made to the system in terms of hardware, firmware, OS upgrades or changes? [00:10] tomreyn: I have attempted to reboot, no change [00:12] tomreyn: the system is "new", I installed an OS on the disk today using a different computer (had trouble with the USB during the ubuntu installation, was able to get the boot loader, but the install failed) [00:12] Rulzern: did you attempt to reboot, or did you? if you did, unplug and replug any device, then post the URL returned by "dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999" [00:12] Rulzern: what are you running there now if the ubuntu installation failed? [00:13] tomreyn: I'm afraid the network connection on that computer relies on the USB wireless device, but I can tell you that dmesg does not produce any new lines of output upon plugging a device [00:13] I installed ubuntu using a different computer [00:14] Rulzern: how did you "[install] an OS on the disk today using a different computer"? [00:15] tomreyn: by unplugging the disks in computer #2, plugging in the disk from computer #1 into computer #2, booting from an USB and installing ubuntu onto the disk plugged in [00:16] Rulzern: okay, then it's possible that you created a legacy BIOS installation when the new computer would better boot with UEFI, or the other way around (less likely) [00:17] tomreyn: is there a way to identify if that could be the cause? [00:17] Rulzern: still, lsusb should probably work. since you don't seem to be posting dmesg, we could also proceed by having you tell us more about the hardware of the new computer. [00:18] tomreyn: the motherboard is a MSI B85M-G43 [00:18] Having invalid partition when machine boots, is it a grub select flagged partition thing or I have to reinstall? :/ [00:19] fdisk options for setting the boot partition, don't remember. [00:19] Rulzern: whats the CPU? have you checked dmesg for any issues not directly related to the USB? have you done a memory test? [00:20] poizonb0x: do you have a live usb you can boot to troubleshoot? [00:20] Rulzern: MSI B85M-G43 is actually older hardware. so this hardware is just new to you, not new in that it was recently produced, i guess? [00:20] tomreyn: the cpu is an Intel Core i5-4670, I did a cursory look through dmesg for USB issues, but did not discover any (or any critical issues otherwise), but I'm not entirely sure what to look for, I have not performed a memory test [00:21] EriC^^: Yeah but I'm sure I can do it with the installed one, why chroot lol? Just don't remember the fdisk --option to select boot partition :/ [00:21] i thought it wasnt booting? poizonb0x [00:21] tomreyn: it's "new" in that it's a computer that's been sitting unused in a closet for a few years, I'm attempting to set up a home office using my old HTPC [00:22] I have a question regarding auto-rotation in ubuntu 18.04. Is it possible to configure certain custom actions? [00:23] Rulzern: which bios version do you have there? [00:24] tomreyn: 3.9 [00:24] EriC^^: You're right, right after bios it says invalid boot partition but don't remember how to set the flag. [00:24] poizonb0x: so how do you suggest getting into the install without a live usb? [00:25] or rather how do you suggest setting the boot flag really, we wont be chrooting [00:25] EriC^^: It prompts invalid partition but after I hit enter it boots the next sda, I just need /dev/sda1 to be the boot flagged, or to have the mbr in there, don't remember. [00:26]

After a while, the bug is reappeared! I don't know what else to try.. [00:26] Rulzern: hmm so mainboard and cpu should be compatible. review dmesg, make sure the power supply is sufficient and run a memory test. [00:28] tomreyn: it should be sufficient, like I said, it used to be my HTPC, just a different disk (I suppose perhaps some part could be malfunctioning somehow?), I'll have a look at dmesg and run the memory test, thank you [00:29] Rulzern: could be acpi issues, for example. "it used to be my HTPC" does not provide information to me. [00:31] tomreyn: what I mean is that it was operational with the same hardware as it has now (with the exception of only having 1 SSD now, instead of 2 HDDs previously), while powering several USB devices, so the PSU should be sufficient to power it [00:32] Rulzern: i see. indeed it should then be drawing less power now than it used to. which OS were you running on it at the time? [00:34] the least powerful PSU MSI claims to have successfully tested with is a 300W [00:34] https://storage-asset.msi.com/file/test_report/TR7_2848.pdf [00:36] Rulzern: it could also be that one of the usb devices you have now attached to it is broken and causing problems to the entire USB. this is why i suggested to unplug all of them before you watch dmesg and replug them one by one. [00:36] tomreyn: the PSU is a Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 520W PSU [00:36] tomreyn: I was running windows 10 at the time [00:39] tomreyn: I checked dmesg, did not see anything suspicious to my eyes, it also appears that there is no power being delivered on any of the USB ports [00:39] poizonb0x: fdisk has an interactive menu, it should be somewhere [00:39] tomreyn: could there be some BIOS setting that I have mis-configured? it seems strange that no power is delivered, right? [00:39] this specific PSU is not listed but i dont see why it wouldnt work. if you were running windows 10 back then you might want to try doing so now, to see whether this works fine (in terms of USB), and if so, you may want to try to overcome what is then likely buggy firmware, such as by doing this: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html [00:40] poizonb0x: sudo fdisk /dev/sdX then hit > x > then A for bootable flag, try with the help options first cause it might be different for you [00:40] Rulzern: no power available on USB ports on a USB 3.0 controller is wrong, yes. [00:41] Rulzern: so you reconfigured the BIOS between when this was running your HTPC and now? [00:41] tomreyn: yes [00:41] if so, load optimized setup defaults, or just setup defaults, and see if it works then. [00:41] tomreyn: I'll give it a shot, be back in a minute [00:42] Rulzern: when did this issue first occur relative to any majro changes you made to the system in terms of hardware, firmware, OS upgrades or changes? [00:42] ^ that's why i was asking about major firmware changes [00:45] tomreyn: hehe, yes, that's why I said it was "new" [00:46] Rulzern: "new" somehow made me think "vendor defaults" [00:46] anyways, good luck, chances are it'll work after bios reset. if not, try windows + acpi link in your preferred order [00:47] and at some point you should do the memory and a cpu burn test as well [00:48] tomreyn: same status after the BIOS reset [00:48] a pity. :-/ see above. [00:48] in a freshly installed ubuntu 18.10, do you guys notice that sometimes bold text isn't displayed as bold in chrome? [00:48] tomreyn: alright, thank you so much for your help [00:49] Rulzern: yw. you can also have soemoen review dmesg later if you ever change your mind. [00:50] tomreyn: yes, I'm sure that would be helpful, but I have no way of communicating with that machine other than writing it down on a slip of paper currently, which seems like quite a task for the dmesg output [00:50] Rulzern: oh sorry, i gotthis wrong, thought you said just the additional network device wasnt working. [00:51] I was thinking that I could just put it on a USB stick and upload it from this machine, then I remembered what the problem was [00:52] Rulzern: you could store it on the hdd, then plug that to the other computer again. or maybe there are other options for pluggable storage, such as an sdcard, or you could install another NIC or setup a serial console connection to the other computer. [00:54] yeah, the HDD option is the most reasonable in terms of timeframe, but it's starting to look more productive to just get a new motherboard/CPU/RAM that is not so picky [00:55] if money is secondary, sure. :) [00:57] at some point the cost in time is higher than the cost in dollars [00:59] good evening! One of my updates failed - the terminal output suggested problems with the dependencies and perhaps some other, serious errors. The output was too long to be captured in the terminal window and so I tried to save it with "sudo apt-get -f upgrade > output.txt" instead. That didn't work either - the command seemed to be executed but it didn't show any output - even though I let it run for 10 minutes. Did I do anythi [01:00] I could do to save the output? Any help is much appreciated! [01:00] SausageWater: first message was cut off after "Did I do anythi" [01:01] anyone happen to know how to install a ppa repo without software-properties-common in ubuntu 16.04? I tried putting the deb links in /etc/apt/sources.list and tried apt-key as well as gpg to try and get it to pull on an apt-update but the package I want is still not an option. what am I missing? [01:01] SausageWater: to redirect error messages from the console into a file, you need to run commands like this: mycommand &> /tmp/mylogfile.log [01:02] Thanks! I'll give it a try! [01:02] !pastebinit | SausageWater [01:02] SausageWater: pastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit [01:02] SausageWater, you may try sudo apt-get -y upgrade &> output.txt rather than-f [01:03] just incase its an input hang. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [01:04] cYnIxX3: the easiest way to set up a ppa is to use: apt-add-repository [01:04] hi, is there a way to prevent /dev/shm files being deleted while using it with my main user? [01:04] tomreyn, I'm going for the smallest scriptable environment with docker. So I would like to avoid apt-add-repository. [01:04] cYnIxX3: once configured, you can "sudo apt-get update" and "apt-cache policy" to verify the repository was actually added. [01:06] never mind , using tmpfs [01:07] cYnIxX3: if doing it manually, you should add extra apt sources by creating a new file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and adding the gpg apt repository signing key using "apt-key", then run "apt-get update". [01:08] tomreyn, I went straight for sources.list https://pastebin.com/raw/kwmrJcdT [01:08] source.list* [01:09] cYnIxX3: yes, sou shouldnt modify this file, keep it default, it's a better approach to only have official repositories in there. [01:09] tomreyn, understood, but its a docker environment and its empty anyways. [01:09] cYnIxX3: also it's sourceS.list, plural [01:10] Ugh, thats my problem. [01:10] Thank you [01:10] What's the command to get the number of hard drive ports on a system? (Ubuntu 18.10) [01:10] cYnIxX3: importing an apt key this way is insecure and unreliable. provide the actual key and "apt-key import" it. or at least the full finderprint. [01:11] I want to figure out if this laptop has one or two hard drive ports. Only one disk installed, but I'd rather check before I go digging inside for another port? [01:11] tomreyn, understood, Thanks for the advice. [01:12] welcome :) [01:12] Thanks all - I've got my first problem solved. Cheers! [01:13] CodeMouse92: all you could check is how many ports the storage controller provides. but this doesn't mean that there are connectors available. [01:13] tomreyn: Duly noted. Thanks. [01:13] I'll just look inside when I swap my network card. [01:14] CodeMouse92: however, a single SATA port is rather uncommon, i think only SOCs have that. [01:14] tomreyn: In a laptop, tho? [01:14] lsscsi / lsscsi -g [01:15] CodeMouse92: i'm talking about capabilities of controllers, not how mainboards are outfitted and ports are made available [01:15] why might be the cause for my ubuntu 18.10 not rendering bold text as bold? [01:15] tomreyn: Oh. Sure, makes sense. [01:17] @ codemouse - dmesg | grep 'SATA link down' [01:17] https://superuser.com/questions/688201/listing-unused-sata-ports-on-linux [01:22] ikatamoonshots: Aw, sweet! [01:22] So....YES, I do actually have another port! [01:25] only commands i could find adhoc , no idea how precse they are, the dmesg command anys lists all my sata ports [01:26] Where would I tell users to store a basic config for username, password, and accountname? /home/foo/.myapp.rc ? something in /etc/? something in ~/.local ? [01:30] Woodpecker: this doesn't look like an ubuntu support question, more like one about secure software development? [01:31] tomreyn: only so far as I try to follow ubuntu style guidelines for software development. [01:32] configuration files within the user scope go to ~/.config/ or a subdirectory there. [01:32] storing crendentials on the filesystem is obviously risky. [01:34] you could store them in a file owned by root so sudo scripts can source it - but as tom said, really try to avoid that - there are password managers tough [01:34] maybe try and use keys rather than passwords? [01:35] if you store it make sure only root can read it [01:35] chmod 600 on the file storing the creds in ~/.config/{app name} should be sufficient [01:35] (It's good enough for ssh keys and all) [01:36] Or, store the creds in the gnome or kde keyring [01:36] i see. my problem is chrome's problem. firefox renders the same bold text correctly. [01:39] tomreyn: true [01:39] thanks === capella|away is now known as capella [02:12] anyone ever ran into an issue where ubuntu on AWS isn't detecting and autoconfiguring AWS EC2 NIC settings? [02:14] I added a 2nd nic in AWS EC2, has elastic ip, manual config (which is not persistent) makes it work in /etc/networking/interfaces.d/50-cloud-init.cfg === daniel is now known as Guest84756 [02:32] ok so i think it is a cloud-init issue [02:34] how do i restart my audio driver https://i.imgur.com/7dXzTWX.png === Schnabeltierchen is now known as Schnabel-bnc [03:17] hey everyone how are ya [03:18] okay—you? [03:18] not to shabby [03:18] that's what's up [03:19] i have a quick question.. having problems killing process's.. in bash, i list process's with ps, the i do kill 'pid'... to no avail.. [03:19] kill -9 pid [03:19] sweet [03:19] also, one more question, how can i kill process's by cmd name [03:19] pkill [03:20] killall command [03:20] kill -9 $(pgrep -x certainname) [03:20] or pkill [03:21] whatcha got against p [03:22] headrx: is that process a zombie? [03:23] if so, only a reboot can get rid of it. But, no worries! zombies only take up like 32 bytes of RAM each :) [03:23] It's just annoying, that's all [03:23] EriC^^, matsaman,: Got it taken care of, pesky python [03:24] ub3g33k: No sure no half-alive process's in my table lol [03:24] ub3g33k: Zombies can be found and killed : http://askubuntu.com/questions/111422/how-to-find-zombie-process . [03:25] question though , what is the 32 bytes store ? Just the process info? [03:25] tomreyn: I figured it out, it turns out that disconnecting one of the case fans from the motherboard makes the USB work (!!!), I don't know if the issue is with the motherboard or the fan, but one of the fans definately makes USB not work (the other fan has no effect one way or the other) [03:26] Rulzern: that's odd and pretty cool you were able to figure it out [03:26] very odd! [03:30] EriC^^: my first thought was a PSU issue, but now I have a web camera + 2 microphones + storage + wireless connected over USB, which should pull much more wattage than the fan... so I guess it's a problem on the motherboard... first I've ever even heard of something like this [03:33] headrx: yes [03:33] Rulzern: weird indeed, good find! Some mainboards allow you to provide extra power to the USB by attaching a special power cable from the PSU to some place on the mainboard. Maybe you were using this cable for powering the case fan? It seems unlikely, I don't think the connectors would match, but i'm bringing it up just in case... [03:34] Bashing-om: Um, not really, unless you kill init... https://askubuntu.com/questions/30891/is-there-any-way-to-kill-a-zombie-process-without-reboot?lq=1 [03:34] Rulzern: maybe try a different known working fan? [03:35] EriC^^: it's ok, I can live without the extra case fan [03:36] ub3g33k: reading .. [03:36] tomreyn: I was using the standard sysfan connector on the MB (label SYSFAN2 if I recall correctly) [03:37] nice buggy mobo :) [03:39] I'm on ubuntu 18.04, previously 14.04. On 14.04 I had my init scripts in /etc/init/. Is this the place to put them on 18.04 ? [03:39] "nice"... I think I'll stay away from MSI next time :p [03:40] foo: you probably need to read a systemd conversion guide, I'd guess [03:41] matsaman: so there was a change from 14.04 to 18.04, I wasn't sure. What was the name of the old system if the newer one was systemd? [03:41] s/was systemd/is systemd/ [03:41] foo: it happend in version 15, AIUI [03:41] foo: probably 'upstart' [03:41] matsaman: sounds about right, thank you [03:41] and before that it was good old sysv, which is what sane people still use [03:41] foo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers [03:41] matsaman: heh. Strange is digital ocean agent is still in /etc/init ... which makes me wonder. [03:42] well, a lot of people think LTS is a license to avoid updates [03:42] matsaman: correct: systemd introduced in 15.04, FWIW [03:43] and a lot more people think once you get anything generating a profit, you should immediately rest on your laurels and let your business die ... after all nobody needs money after you get yours, rite? [03:44] * foo shrugs, /me wants to do it the proper way [03:44] * foo converts a upstart script to systemd [03:44] bon voyage [03:45] * foo yanks a script he used in another system from /etc/systemd/system and drops into his new system [03:46] foo, you need to make sure bar is on board, as well :) [03:47] ub3g33k: speaking of which, I was going to visit after this is done! ;) [03:47] is there a way to unsnap a system in a safe way ? As in rmoving snap and replacing the installed snap packages with normal packages in a safe way ? [03:48] w/o running into problems with dependencys that is [03:48] WoC: Consider : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2328152 . [03:49] i understand some may use snap, i.e. built with components that can not be upgraded/built/etc [03:55] ty Bashing-om appreciated [04:00] WoC: :) [04:11] JimBuntu, I rebooted to windows 10 after replugging the battery. The charge went to 58% and stopped there. The only difference I see now is kubuntu says '58% and charging' while windows 10 says '58% and not charging' [04:14] I wonder if ubuntu doesn't differentiate between "plugged in" and "charging" status; some laptops can do one but not the other, depending on which adapter they're plugged into, the battery temperature, etc. I'd tend to believe the Windows report. [04:16] myself: chances are the regulator on that battery is faulty [04:17] * WoC makes a note; now i talk to myself again... [04:17] WoC, not the cells? [04:17] WoC, can regulator be fixed? [04:17] I've had a series of laptops with odd battery management options, including the ability to soft limit the charge termination [04:18] i think it is the actual regulator, usually imho that tend to fail most frequent [04:18] WoC, can the regulator be fixed? [04:18] if you have the skills ;) [04:18] replaced ;) [04:19] most would just replace the whole battery [04:19] hm. so a workshop can replace it? how much it migh cost me? [04:19] they tend to explode if heated inproperly [04:19] WoC, how much would a m6700 batter cost with max cells available [04:19] if it discharges normally and charges up but stops at the same spot every time, the BMS is likely sane and just obeying what its coulomb-counter tells it about the battery SoC and voltage [04:19] idk [04:20] myself, 'bms'? [04:20] havent checked prices in decades [04:20] battery management system, the chip in the battery that monitors what it's up to and tracks its behavior even as batteries get swapped around [04:21] WoC, myself should I order at dell.com? [04:21] look up the part number and see if you can get it elsewhere, cheaper [04:22] yeah, batteries will be all over, but you want to be careful of "new old stock", a battery that's been on a shelf 3 years even with 0 charge cycles will still be a crap battery. [04:22] dam Kit - 9-cell (97Wh) Lithium Ion battery with ExpressCharge [04:22] $149.99 [04:22] Intelo: if you look up the part number you will usually find upgrades as to capacity as well as cheaper alternatives [04:23] Dell would for sure be your most expensive option [04:24] WoC, myself I bought the full laptop m6700 for double of this price $149.99 . [04:24] second hand [04:25] Somehow i still use this N7110... [04:26] WoC, myself ok, what option to get it from if I am in india/ pakistan [04:26] Goos thing there are some folks making bios-mods, so now i have UEFI [04:27] Intelo: i have no idea, to be honest, I'm land locked in Texas [04:27] $50 https://www.amazon.com/11-1V-M6700-Battery-Precision-Laptop-SOLICE/dp/B01MQJA1F7 [04:28] Something like that yes [04:29] gtg, best of luck and an early Merry Christmas [04:29] personally, I would not walk away from a third-party battery with cells of unknown provenance.. I've seen too many fires. [04:29] But that's up to your own sense of cost and risk. [04:29] And we're way, way off-topic :P [04:41] myself, third party? [04:41] myself, #hardware? [04:44] myself, you mean to buy from dell only? [04:56] This isn't directly an ubuntu question, but its seems appropriate to ask here: In some PDF documents, evince's page counter/navigator doesn't match the actual page number in the table of contents - by the end of a (by evince's count) 293, the actual document is at 316. Is there something I'm missing? [04:57] oh wow...disregard - I just realized there are some pages omitted (likely blank pages at the start of a chapter or something...) [05:08] slidinghorn: yeah, PDF sucks [06:52] slidinghorn: That is quite usual, actually. Page numbers usually start from TOC page(s). [07:09] why doesnt ppa-purge work? [07:10] https://paste.pound-python.org/show/UCqw4bu6hz63LaN2PJFg/ [07:16] root@Mobile-C:/home/mobile_c# ppa-purge [ppa:]enlightenment-git/ubuntu [07:16] Updating packages lists [07:16] E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/enlightenment-git/ppa/ubuntu bionic Release' does not have a Release file. [07:24] !ppapurge | Suicidal_Santa [07:24] Suicidal_Santa: To disable a PPA from your sources and revert your packages back to default Ubuntu packages, install ppa-purge and use the command: « sudo ppa-purge ppa:/ » – For more information, see http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html [07:30] Suicidal_Santa: so make it "ppa-purge ppa:enlightenment-git/ubuntu". but it'll still fail to remove since ppa-purge can't handle this istuation where there is no longer a release file present for your ubuntu release. [07:31] Suicidal_Santa: alas you need to use "apt-add-repository --remove ppa:enlightenment-git/ubuntu" instead, then revoke your trust in the apt repositories' signing key using the "apt-key" command. [07:47] good morning [07:48] morning coz_ what can we do for you? [07:51] World peace and good will to all? :) [07:51] lotuspsychje, thanks for recognition, not much, just stopped in to see if I could be of help, unless you are a gimp dev, then I would have a few words for you ") [07:52] elias_a, morning [08:07] 3am here east coast US. most of you guys are in Europe at this time, yes? [08:07] coz_: come join to #ubuntu-discuss [08:08] ok [08:18] is ubuntu gonna drop qt4 framework? [08:20] coz_: Yep. I'm in Finland. [08:24] elias_a, I thought as much ") [08:25] what's the lightest version of *buntu for an old laptop? [08:25] xubuntu or lubuntu? [08:25] either [08:25] Hello, I am using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. Do you know what should I do to disconnect internet, upon VPN disconnection? [08:25] kde-neon seems to be somewhat slim surprisingly... [08:26] varaindemian: yjere's not much difference [08:26] I use the gui to auto connect to VPN, upon internet connection. [08:28] varaindemian, I take that back, xubuntu and lubuntu are better options, I have not tried neon on an older system [08:28] live usb should reveal something [08:33] varaindemian, this might be of some interest https://itsfoss.com/lightweight-linux-beginners/ [08:39] thank you! [08:53] Hello, I am using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. Do you know what should I do to disconnect internet, upon VPN disconnection? I use the gui to auto connect to VPN, upon internet connection. [08:54] what ? [08:54] you're talking about disconnecting the internet but saying you use a vpn over the internet [08:56] i'm guessing the idea is to prevent traffic (which would otherwise go through the vpn) leaking through the default non-vpn internet connection in case the vpn connection fails. [08:57] that's a pretty different question to "how do I turn off the internet" [08:57] it is, so, again, just guessing [08:57] it's a sane guess [08:57] ikonia: I am connected to the VPN, while I am connected to the internet. I would like to get disconnected from internet, if/when my VPN is down. [08:58] tomreyn: exactly. [08:58] mojtaba: you'd have to write some conditional health checks [08:58] ikonia: Do you know from where should I start? Where should I put that script, if it is the script. [08:59] mojtaba: got to be honest, there are few cases for such an extreme situation [09:00] so if you can justify it beyond "I want to hide my identity because I do" I'll help [09:00] ikonia: Yes. :) [09:00] yes what ? [09:02] You said, You'll help. [09:02] no, I didn't [09:02] re-read what I said [09:03] at the end of your sentence: I'll help [09:04] yes, read the start [09:04] and if you can't grasp the conditional statement I put in my response, I doubt you'll be able to grasp the conditional statements needed to write health checks [09:07] I want to keep my IP address consistent. ( That is why I am going to use VPN, not Tor, to just hide my identity.) If that meets the first part of your sentence! [09:08] hi all. My OS does a filesystem check during every boot (during boot screen), been happening for 6 months - makes the boot take 5 mins if i don't cancel [09:08] any idea how I can find the cause? and disable it if not needed [09:09] ikonia: [09:09] mojtaba: no, it's not [09:10] blip99: either the file system is configured to do checks on every mount, or he storage is broken and needs to be replaced, or both. [09:10] Does anyone except ikonia knows how to get disconnected from internet, upon VPN disconnection? [09:10] blip99: which file system (where mounted) exactly? / or /boot or something else? [09:15] tomreyn, im not sure which fs is being checked, im on a relatively new high end laptop with an SSD [09:16] can i get you some info from df or such tomreyn? [09:18] ext4 on both / and /home. 2 linux partitions [09:18] i guess ill backup and manually run fs check on both. can you recommend any particular fschk params? [09:23] blip99: run "mount" to determine the partitions or other backing devic3es which these file systems are located on [09:24] blip99: then, assuming one is stored on /dev/sda2, you'd run: dumpe2fs -h /dev/sda2 | grep -E '^(Check interval|Last checked|Mount count|Maximum mount count|Last mount time):' [09:24] this works for ext file systems only, but thats what you say you have [09:26] blip99: then read the tune2fs man page, section 8, about the "-C mount-count" and "-T time-last-checked" options [09:27] also "-c max-mount-counts" [09:28] ...and "-i interval-between-checks[d|m|w]" [09:28] that's it ;) [09:29] tomreyn, i was hoping for a gui but i'll take it :D [09:30] there wont be any for those [09:31] thanks will come back here in the evening after trying it out [09:31] blip99: for the baseline, all of this is about case 1 discussed at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting#e2fsprogs_-_ext2.2C_ext3.2C_ext4_filesystems [09:31] * tomreyn types too slow [09:38] mojtaba: you don'T actually need to disconnect the network connection if the vpn fails, you just need to ensure no traffic will be sent through it. that's what firewalls are good for: https://serverfault.com/questions/473112/iptables-force-all-traffic-over-vpn-and-drop-all-traffic-when-no-vpn-connecti [09:39] tomreyn: Thanks a lot. [09:39] but some basic firewall / networking is necessary to understand this stuff. [09:40] tomreyn: I am using ufw at the moment. [09:40] you dont actually need / want the dns whitelisting if you want to force dns resultion through the vpn '(and have configured the vpn connection to do so, and the vpn is actually capable of that. [09:40] ) [09:42] tomreyn: Yes, and thanks again. [09:55] hello. does anyone know how to change what command gets run when you click the icon for an application? i'm running 18.04 LTS [09:55] permanently, that is [09:55] i want firefox to run "firejail firefix" [09:55] firefox* [09:55] for example [10:03] talin: copy the corresponding desktop file into ~/.local/share/applications and edit it [10:03] iuiujh: thank you [10:10] talin: after editing, consider testing it with desktop-file-validate before you desktop-file-install it [10:12] actually you dont need to install it if it's already in ~/.local/share/applications, but may need to run update-menus [10:17] Hello! I have a simple question that I cannot seem to phrase properly for finding it online :/ .. I want to do have a folder "Data" on HDD1 being replicated exactly on HDD2, both on the same machine. What's the best approach for that? [10:17] I was thinking of using a RAID1 but I happen to have 2 drives with different sizes, so I gotta use that instead [10:18] N3sh108: what's the purpose [10:19] I am installing something like a dropbox on my spare laptop. I want to make sure that even if HDD1 dies, I have the backup of the data [10:19] run an rsync backup every night or something then [10:20] so I can rsync locally? [10:20] yep [10:20] or just a mirror raid? [10:20] software raid doesn't trquire same size. [10:20] doesn't RAID require drives of equal size? [10:20] raid isn't backup [10:21] mmm ok [10:21] I would want a realtime replication [10:21] so I don't lose stuff [10:21] kinda dangerous, if something bad happens then you instantly lose your backup [10:22] another disk on the same computer can hardly be considered backup either [10:22] why not? [10:22] more so than raid [10:22] clearly backup on HDD failure [10:22] yes, rsync is better for this use case, Ben64 is right [10:23] but then I have a time between backup where I can lose everything I put there [10:23] yes, backups are not constant but snapshots. [10:24] you can have both, mirror raid and backup [10:24] and say, I do a rsync backup every X hours [10:24] and HDD1 fails, is it easy to get a new drive and bring the data back? [10:24] it's just files on hdd2 [10:25] yeah but I expect them to be structured differently, as they are incremental snapshots [10:25] rsync doesn't create incremental snapshots, it creates a copy. [10:26] then Im thinking that perhaps software RAID is better [10:26] it isn't but do what makes you happy [10:26] I am already using this machine as a backup, I am just interested in having some sort of failure avoidance if any of the 2 HDDs die [10:27] another use would be so push to my bitbucket and to this as well, so I have a backup there [10:28] why not @Ben64 [10:28] https://blog.open-e.com/why-raid-is-not-a-backup/ [10:28] N3sh108: you can use rsync + ext4 + hard links to make incremental backups [10:28] ideally I'd like to have the Data folder being replicated on 2 HDDs, if HDD1 or HDD2 die, I want to have it saved [10:28] or any of the other tons of links on google for "raid is not a backup" [10:29] there's an indepth script floating around somewhere that does just that [10:30] ok, makes sense Ben64 [10:30] I will look into that EriC^^ [10:30] thanks :) [10:30] hey all, is there any way to disable those numbers poping up when meta+number is pressed? [10:31] N3sh108: np [10:32] mispp: ?? [10:32] if you happen to find a write-up with that approach, feel free to ping me :) [10:37] N3sh108: i've never used it before so test on a dummy dir and see how it goes etc https://askubuntu.com/questions/666323/incremental-backup-script === Butterfly^ is now known as Guest26346 [10:42] N3sh108: i wonder if it copies them the first time, then starts using hard links? or it just relies on the original files, which would be a problem [10:43] @Ben64: in ubuntu, when you have favorites on a left panel/launcher, you can start them with meta+1 or meta+2. briefly, when you use this shortcut, numbers are shown (i.e. sequential numbers for the icons). i want to disable showing those numbers [10:44] (i forgot to put "..."; obviously you can use numbers bigger than 1 and 2) [10:46] oh i don't have that launcher [10:47] this is default launcher... a fork of dash-to-panel... in original it can be disabled, but in ubuntu's gnomified version it cant [10:47] so i was wondering if someone has a way to deal with that [10:47] mispp: maybe there's a command line way to do it via gsettings > [10:48] gsettings list-recursively | grep launcher maybe? [10:50] EriC^^: yep, you are probably right. there is dash to dock... it can probably be set there [10:50] thanks [10:51] mispp: np [11:04] how do i fix this [11:04]