[00:04] delt: I have pretty hard time try understanding people that criticizing windows. I use slackware since 1996 as my workstation... but I have used Windows at every job I had since then ( and still have windows as my main work notebook). I dont see I could even try to stop using Windows at work. I am a Systems Architect and I do respect every piece of sotfware out there. [00:04] We've been asked to take this conversation to #ubuntu-offtopic. [00:06] iosecure: Deal. [00:19] HI [00:40] How do I enable the alt Fx terminals? Don't remember. [00:41] hi [00:42] poizonb0x: clt+alt+F4 . [00:42] yessss, the hostname issue seemed to be resolved :D [00:43] thanks guys [02:12] gst ... alsasrc device=hw:1,0 "Device 'hw:1,0' is busy" How do it see why it is busy? [02:13] CarlFK, gstreamer? [02:16] bazhang: yes [02:18] Bug 608042 could be this CarlFK ? [02:18] bug 608042 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "when playing video, if an app plays sound, sound for video dies" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608042 [02:19] i have added a second monitor. laptop is 1ry and has an ugly pink box upper left that days Laptop eDP and thenother had annugly green box that reads Hewlett Packard 20" DisplayPort-0 -- laptop is 1366x768 and the HP is 1600x900 --- Well therenis a blank black band on the left edge of the HP monitor as if it cannot use the whole thing. i expected smaller type and more room for stuff on the HP + I want the movie (vlc from a commercial dv [02:23] you might want to change the primary display and/or select dual display (sounds like it's in mirror mode now) [02:24] bazhang: doubtful . I struggling with input. I was hoping this would help, but 404 Could you please log pulseaudio's output, as explained here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Pulseaudio/Log [02:25] help, hppa64-linux-gnu-gcc complains it can't find stdio.h in Ubuntu Disco when i try to compile hello world [02:27] boxes solved when I closed the Monitor Preferences window. [02:28] Now why isnt my 2nd screen filled. oh test idea. [02:29] which distribution is the best UI? [02:29] similar to Mac OS or Windows [02:30] ghost64, did you mean DE? as in KDE, lxde, gnome, etc [02:30] bazhang: Yeah [02:31] That question is a good way to start a holy war ;) [02:31] lol [02:31] sorry about that [02:32] no best GH0sta , matter of taste [02:32] I like MacOS environment [02:32] use to of it [02:33] gnome 3 is somewhat similar to os x, and also current ubuntu's default DE. [02:33] GH0sta, check some screenshots online and decide [02:33] bazhang: cool [02:33] how close linux mint is? [02:34] you'd need to ask them [02:34] GH0sta, they should have all the de [02:34] bazhang: ok [02:35] so for instance, if I install Ubuntu can I go in command line and install any environment I want? [02:35] or all of them [02:35] just switch at the login window [02:36] sounds cool [02:36] but you should probably reinstall after decinding in case you want to end up with only one in the end. [02:36] so where do I start with dual boot? :) [02:36] dual boot what? [02:37] i.e. which operating systems. [02:37] GH0sta, which os do you want to dual boot ubuntu with [02:37] Windows 10 [02:38] GH0sta, grub should detect Win 10 [02:38] GH0sta: you install windows first, ubuntu second. [02:38] Windows 10 is installed [02:38] WoC-: grub? [02:39] GH0sta: https://www.tecmint.com/install-ubuntu-16-04-alongside-with-windows-10-or-8-in-dual-boot/ [02:39] cryptodan_mobile: thanks :) [02:39] !dualboot [02:39] Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot [02:39] tomreyn: cheers! [02:41] opps [02:41] sorry [02:41] GH0sta: you'll need this to get started installing ubuntu after you installed windows: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#0 [02:42] tomreyn: yeah windows is installed now [02:43] GH0sta: use windows disk management to shrink windows [02:46] cryptodan_mobile: can I installed it on a external HDD? [02:46] install it* [02:46] an* [02:48] GH0sta: yes, linux doesn't limit you on what storage you install and run from. however, not all BIOSes can boot all all storages. [02:48] USB attached storages usually work fine, though === WoC- is now known as WoC [02:58] tomreyn: cool.. thanks matey [03:25] what do I need to know before buying a laptop intended to run ubuntu? will it just run on anything? [03:39] no-n: it's good to know the wifi chipset if you intend to use the integrated wireless chip (i.e. not one attached to usb, or just ethernet, if it has that). it's also good to find lspci -nn and lsusb outputs of this *very* model if you can. [03:39] no-n: ideally buy it so that you can return it, no questions asked, for a limited time. [03:40] alrighty [03:40] As someone who bought a thinkpad knowing that thinkpads are extraordinarily well-supported by linux, I'm still frustrated that my touchpad is basically condemned to suck forever. It's the only thing that doesn't work perfectly, but even in the ideal casae, there can still be things that're less than perfect. [03:41] s/casae/case/ [03:42] Also, speaking from experience, set aside a USB stick and do that "create windows recovery media" step immediately when you unbox the thing, in case you decide to return it and need to put that back before doing so. [03:43] Do that, but don't do it that way. Use ntfsclone and sfdisk to back it all up. [03:43] Will save you tons of space, and be more reliable. [03:43] myself: how's it work, your touchpad? [03:45] Back in the day, you would setup your tty1..6 using inittab, but in a current system, where would you add more ttys ? tty1->8, as the standard is just tty1->6 [03:45] Not for nothing, but why bother when you can just use GNU screen, or tmux? [03:46] Can be confusing when you have more than one system per tty matsaman [03:46] matsaman: it was nearly perfect under 17.04, then I updated to 18.04 and spent about 2 weeks fighting with every possible synaptics option, trying to get it to do what it just did automatically before. Can't seem to. In order to get it to ignore palm-mashing, I've also got it ignoring all small movements, which means I can't do just-a-few-pixels precise pointing. [03:46] WoC: what? [03:47] matsaman, when you work with external systems, imho, it's easier if you have one tty per system [03:47] myself: hrmmm, I wonder if you have more things enabled than you desire, like wacom things [03:47] nesting tmux inside tty switching, and then maybe within that you've got ssh to another box and tmux/screen inside that... [03:47] WoC: I'm pretty sure most people agree a terminal multiplexer is simpler than limiting yourself to function keys [03:47] it's nice to have one set of hotkeys per level of nesting, and never nest like-within-like [03:47] WoC: ever try one? [03:47] hey guys, is there a way to monitor global SIGSEGV (segmentation fault signals) for all programs running in ubuntu? is there any software that does this? [03:47] I just want to know if a background software has a seg fault [03:47] yes, even used screen in screen [03:47] myself: well terminal multiplexers provide that [03:48] even more simply, actually [03:48] ohwell [03:48] WoC: you get /etc/inittab? [03:48] oh I'm aware they can be nested, but you have to keep track of how many levels deep you are and count how many escapes you use, etc [03:48] you don't need them to be nested [03:48] myself: since you seem to have some experience... my touchpad two-finger scroll is backwards from what I'm used to (swiping down moves a page up, instead of down). Have you found a way to swap that? [03:48] 1-6, 1-8 is not nested in any way [03:48] it's the sort of thing that feels like a cool stunt to do to show off your prowess, but is awkward in practice as a genuine workflow [03:48] Which is the fdisk command to set the boot sda (In my case) where the mbr goes? [03:48] it _is_ limited to 12 [03:48] there is no inittab in current [03:48] poizonb0x: "set"? [03:49] matsaman: Yeah like the flag, been trying don't want to reinstall the whole distro. [03:49] WoC: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd_FAQ#How_do_I_change_the_default_number_of_gettys? [03:49] Geo: The "invert scroll direction" is named "content sticks to fingers" in the mouse options box [03:49] (don't ask me why it's named that! heh) [03:49] poizonb0x: what flag? [03:49] I deleted a partition that the installer made me do which was the bios grub boot or something like that but still gives me invalid partition after BioS boot and it goes away by hitting enter btw. [03:50] k, ty matsaman [03:50] poizonb0x: let's back up a moment please -> what is the problem? [03:50] Hmm, I don't see that? I'm looking at Settings->Devices-Mouse&Touchpad [03:50] Where should I be? [03:50] matsaman: After boot I get "Invalid boot partition" even if I can boot by hitting enter I wished it didn't appear. [03:51] After bios boot [03:51] poizonb0x: so your firmware says invalid boot partition, and then grub loads, and then all is fine? [03:51] Geo: try "natural scrolling" [03:51] i do indeed have that [03:51] another intuitive choice... [03:52] That did the trick. Thanks! [03:52] matsaman: No grub loads it goes directly to ubuntu but yeah wishing to remove the need to hit enter I know I might have done the partitions wrong but well... can't remember how to set the flag for boot partition. [03:52] I think of it as "airplane style", pull back on the stick to nose-up the plane ;) [03:52] yeah, haha [03:52] Like setting the parititon that will boot first? [03:52] poizonb0x: are you dual booting? [03:52] matsaman: Not right now. [03:53] poizonb0x: but GRUB is in complete control? [03:53] poizonb0x: I ask because 'invalid boot partition' sounds like more of a Windows boot loader error message; or potentially before that (the BIOS/etc.) [03:53] Stepping on everyone else, but what max local throughput should I expect to see on SSD SATA3 drives, realistically? [03:53] and less like anything GNU/Linux specific [03:54] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#SATA_revision_3.0_(6_Gbit/s,_600_MB/s,_Serial_ATA-600) [03:54] That's hypothetical, as I recall... do you really see that? [03:55] I've never wasted the time to check [03:55] you asked for max, that's what it is [03:55] ...I should expect to see :P [03:55] I should expect you'd never see, because it's a waste of time to even check [03:55] I'm mirroring a disk right now and seeing 205000K/sec [03:55] do you feel like your system is slower than it should be? [03:56] well mirroring a disk is a waste of time, for sure [03:56] The fdisk option "a" for toggle a bootable flag doesn't exist anymore :/ [03:56] poizonb0x: doesn't matter, GNU/Linux doesn't care about those flags [03:56] poizonb0x: sure you aren't booting GRUB via Windows' boot loader? [03:56] Jack3k3: apport, see /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern [03:56] poizonb0x: you might want to just walk through the GRUB reinstallation steps [03:57] No I wipe'd the whole sda and created the common partitions ext4,swap and some Fat for win but haven't install win yet and I'm getting the error. [03:57] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [03:57] it's hard to imagine it's anything other than Windows leftovers or your BIOS/EFI being confused [03:57] can you post a photograph of the error? [03:57] Or a video of the boot process up to and including it? [03:58] Just after bios it prompts Invalid boot partition! [03:58] I hit enter and goes to the next boot I guess it could be bios but I set the sda to be the first boot option. [03:59] and it goes to ubuntu after I hit enter so I don't understand, just don't want to reinstall *I compiled kern" [03:59] Geo: mirroring how? [03:59] poizonb0x: try this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [03:59] or otherwise verify GRUB is configured as you meant it to be [04:03] opps, forgot X is hardcoded to tty7 [04:04] Geo: in case you're talking mdadm, don't forget about /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max [04:04] tomreyn: yes, mdadm [04:05] ah, neat [04:11] Geo: to set per array (such if you have different types of physical storages in arrays, e.g. hdds + ssds), there is /sys/devices/virtual/block/md*/md/sync_speed_max [04:11] as per md(4) [04:13] just pumped up the speed_limit_max, now I'm seeing 400000K/sec [04:13] so thats cool [04:14] ..hopefully nothing catches on fire... [04:15] document it for us if it does ;) [04:15] you might not want to have a hdd backed array aim for this speed. [04:15] yeah, these are ssds [04:16] I wonder though- even if I did on a hdd, wouldn't the hdd just cap it at whatever input it can handle? It can only spin so fast [04:28] damnit, I dorked up the boot [04:28] Still learning UEFI... So with an ESP partition, isnt that the 'bootable' partition now? [04:29] I just rebooted after creating a raid partition, and I'm getting the grub screen [04:29] I thought by leaving the ESP untouched, that was sufficient [04:30] Do I need to go back and do a grub install on the / raid partition still? [04:34] is there an easy way to make lightdm use a tty other than 7 ? [04:35] about " I wonder though- even if I did on a hdd, wouldn't the hdd just cap it at whatever input it can handle? It can only spin so fast" - yes they would. which is why i'd rather set the max limit (which becomes a target if there i no other I/O going on) no higher than the default system-wide, but just individually for SSD backed arrays. [04:37] if hdd backed arrays were trying to reach a value they technically cannot, it might adversely affect (a) general I/O when other processes start demanding it and (b) (less likely) the HDDs durability [04:38] but (a) is quite relevant [04:41] grrr... cant make this bootable with grub [04:41] 'failed to get canonical path of /cow' [04:42] Geo: with UEFI booting to a GPT partitioned disk, you grub-install to the raw / full storage device, e.g. sda, like you used to. for this to work, you need the ESP. grub detects it and writes its core image into the ESP, and places its UEFI shim into the tiny efi storage on the mainboard. [04:43] So, I think that's what I'm doing [04:43] grub-install /dev/sda [04:43] Geo: which partitions do you have there? [04:43] sda1 is the esp [04:43] sda2/3 are raid partitions [04:43] what is / backed by? [04:43] What do you mean by that? [04:44] / is on sda2, if thats what you're asking? [04:45] i'm asking about the block device layers below the root file system, and their order [04:45] you're beyond my skill level now [04:46] for example, you may have / on a logical volume which is stacked on top of a raid device, which is backed by two partitions on separate phsical storages [04:46] maybe i just explained it badly [04:47] sda2 and sdb2 form md0, for the / filesystem [04:47] mdadm isn't running now, as I booted w/ livecd [04:47] sda2 and sdb2 are linux-raid-members [04:47] i see [04:47] do you have full disk encryption, too? or lvm? [04:48] no [04:48] ok then you should not need a separate boot partition, good. [04:48] does ESP = boot partition? [04:48] * a separate partition hosting the /boot file system, that is [04:49] I'm not sure of the new terminology [04:49] ESP doesn't host /boot [04:49] *new to me [04:49] ok [04:50] you just need the vfat32 formatted ESP, flagged with 'boot' and 'esp', and the raid paritions. [04:51] so just flag the ESP as boot, is all I need? [04:52] roughly this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/B87kg5ycbv/ [04:52] you dont need to have two raids, of course, that's just an example [04:53] and the esp can be smaller [04:53] My table already looks like that [04:53] boot,esp [04:54] okay, then which ubuntu version are you installing, and how, and what's exactly failing? [04:54] 18.04. It installed, ran, I created two raid partitions with mdadm, all good. I rebooted, and it went to the grub screen [04:54] So I blew away some boot record [04:55] And I probably should have guessed... [04:55] https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-create-raid-arrays-with-mdadm-on-ubuntu-18-04 [04:55] Take a look about halfway down, or search for "may not be suitable as a boot device" [04:55] That's the screen I saw [04:55] But I figured since I wasn't touching ESP, I should be fine [04:55] So, you installed the system... And then turned the partition upon which you already installed into a mirror? [04:57] you want mdadm meta data to be 0.90 on the array hosting /boot [04:57] that's why i have 2 arrays in the example i provided [04:57] one uses 0.90 meta data, the other the current one. [04:58] Geo: ^ [04:59] The requirement for metadata v0.90 hasn't been there for a while. [04:59] tomreyn: yeah, got it, thanks... thinking on how to back this out a bit [05:01] iosecure: you'Re right, i mixed this up, actually both are 1.2 on this system. [05:01] Geo: As for my question: You installed the system, and then created a mirror using the partition that you installed onto? [05:01] I assembled the raid partitions, but can't mount them [05:01] Geo: so i was wrong about the need to have v0.90 metadata [05:02] iosecure: yes [05:02] while on a livecd boot, yes [05:02] That's destructive. [05:02] Running the array creation operation on an existing partition will damage/destroy the filesystem already there. [05:03] correct [05:04] The mirror must be created first, and then data written to it. Creating a mirror does not duplicate the data to the other member partition, but instead creates an empty device. [05:04] Data written to this device is written to both members of the array. [05:04] Geo: see the first red box on the tutorial you followed about this [05:05] Under resetting existing raid devices? [05:05] Geo: the easiest way to confuigure this is during the installation, as long as you use an installer which supports it [05:05] I wasn't resetting anything [05:06] Running, for example, "mdadm --create --level=1 /dev/md0 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2" will DESTROY any data on /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2. [05:07] Geo: basically what you need to know is that you can't just convert an existing partition or file system into a RAID member, at least not directly. [05:07] oh, thats what I did differently. I know I had done this before- I think I created a mirror with on disk, then added the second [05:07] s/on/one [05:08] anyway- in the ubuntu installer, md0 is listed there, but I need to specify a / mount point, which I can't on md0. Which should I select? [05:08] this could work, but i'm not sure the installers would let you install this way. [05:09] which installer are you using anyways? desktop? (default) server-live? (alternative) server (d-i)? mini.iso? pxe? debootstrap? [05:09] and is it 18.04.0 or .1? [05:10] .1 [05:10] and must be desktop, since I have a GUI on here [05:10] The desktop installer does not support RAID. [05:10] Only the alternate installer media does. [05:10] ugh [05:11] well the live -server does, too, to a degree [05:11] I can't install onto a RAID disk with the desktop installer? [05:11] No. [05:11] Not create- just install [05:11] wow. [05:11] and server doesn't come with the GUI, iirc? [05:11] comes with a TUI [05:12] Either there's an option during install to install the desktop, or it's a single command to do so after the install finishes. === capella|away is now known as capella [05:17] The latter. [05:17] There's an apt metapackage that will pull in the desktop. [05:17] I did that once a few years back and totally hosed the install [05:17] hence the switch to desktop [05:17] tons of dependencies broke [05:17] Is this actually for a desktop, or a server? [05:18] yes to both [05:18] No, a system is either a desktop, or a server. Which is it? [05:18] I guess it depends on the definition you have in your head [05:19] What are you using the system for? [05:19] I remote to it and use it for network facing applications. I also log on to it while sitting in front of it to use a gui. [05:19] Is there a safer/easier way to create a bootable usb than dd from commandline? [05:20] cp file.iso /dev/sdx [05:20] Geo: you sould consider not mixing these use cases, rather set it up as a desktop with VMs or containers for the server use case. much safer. [05:20] really, that simple? Never knew that. dd or unetbootin [05:20] unetbootin is kind of a disaster. [05:21] etcher is a lot better than unetbootin [05:22] etcher is quite nice, yeah. [05:22] * tomreyn +1 [05:23] But for any ISO designed for direct writing, cp is easy. [05:28] wow, i can write an ISO with cp! til [05:28] any it will boot? [05:28] live-server = server? [05:28] *and [05:29] Geo: live-server (subiquity based) is the default server installer since i think 18.04 or 17.10. [05:29] NorthwestVegan: Yes, or I wouldn't have mentioned it. :P [05:30] thats very cool thanks [05:30] saves me some characters compared to dd [05:34] So now I'm just learning new stuff... how do I tell what version is on an install disk, by looking at the file contents? === beaver is now known as beaver|xmas [05:34] ie, how would I tell if the usb drive I'm using has 18.04 desktop, or server on it? [05:34] Geo: running it is an option === imsurit_ofc is now known as imsurit [05:34] isnt there a checksum file that has the version in it? [05:35] tomreyn: yep, but was curious about filestructure [05:36] README.diskdefines tells, too [05:36] or .disk/info [05:36] What are you using to view those? They look to be binary files [05:37] you can loop mount it or use a file archive viewer such as file-roller [05:39] yeah the README.diskdefines is the best answer, its in the root, and its the most descriptive [05:40] i think .disk/info is the best answer, though for mini.iso it's .disk/mini-info [05:41] the .disk/info is a nice 1 liner [05:41] and has the date [05:41] so yeah i pretty much agree [05:43] Geo, if you didnt know, grep -R -i is helpful for this kind of thing [05:49] setting up md raids in the installer is new to me- it seems I can only mirror whole disks? not partitions? [05:50] i usually install mdadm from command line first [05:50] then run the installer [05:50] You need to create partitions for mdadm to use, first. [05:50] Do NOT mirror whole disks. This will cause issues later. [05:50] then you have to install mdadm in the host after you boot it [05:51] or i guess you could chroot, at least thats how i do it [05:51] iosecure: adding partitions seems to remove the option to use md [05:51] unless maybe I shouldn't set a mount point... [05:51] no, still grayed out [05:54] Geo: which installer are you using? version and type? [05:54] live-server [05:54] whatever it gave me for 18.04 [05:54] That isn't the alternative installer. [05:54] did you just download it? [05:54] yes [05:54] oh im sorry geo, i was talking about desktop installer [05:54] dont listen to me [05:55] you'd better use the alternate installer [05:55] NorthwestVegan: you're good :) [05:55] :) [05:55] that's how I thought to do it first, but was told this was better [05:55] Here i am, an hour later... :P [05:55] Alternate installer != server installer. [05:55] who told you the live-installer was better? [05:56] iosecure: i'm referring to the alternative server installer, classic / debian installer based installer [05:56] tomreyn: I know. [05:57] I was more telling Geo that he downloaded the wrong image. [05:57] tomreyn: I know you know which one to use. :P [05:57] iosecure: okay ;-) [05:57] whats the best way to get the most minimal ubuntu install for use in VM? [05:58] NorthwestVegan: net installer image, and select nothing when it asks which package sets you want. [05:58] yeah thats makes sense, thanks man [05:58] Or install SSH, if you want to be able to log in. [05:58] NorthwestVegan: debootstrap [05:58] the default server iso gives me pretty large default install [05:59] yeah debootstrap is cool [05:59] how do i get it to pull ubuntu though? [05:59] you use debootstrap from ubuntu [05:59] alternatively you tell it to pull from ubuntu [05:59] lol, is it really that simple [06:00] i have only used to it to make debian chroots [06:02] i had this in my scrips: [06:02] sudo debootstrap --arch arm64 --foreign bionic /chroot/bionic/ http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports [06:02] is there a better command [06:03] what do you need a better one for? [06:04] oh idk, i cant even remember when/where i made that [06:04] just seems pretty verbose [06:04] and i wasnt sure if that last url part was correct way [06:05] i've never used debootstrap for arm64 installations, i think. but i guess it could work. after all you still need to ensure its bootable either way. [06:05] i only use it for my firejail chroot scripts [06:06] i was originally pondering minimalist ubuntu servers for kvm/qemu vms [06:06] it's recommended to always use debootstrap from the newest development branch or latest stable release [06:06] so sid or ubuntu+1 [06:07] oh ok, cool [06:07] whats your guys prefered way to virtualize on ubuntu? [06:08] I'm a KVM guy. Work also bought me a few licenses for VMware Workstation. [06:08] i have really enjoyed kvm [06:08] vmware i havent used in years though [06:09] the virt-manager gui is pretty awesome [06:09] I do a lot of work in our ESXi labs, so being able to mess with a VM locally, then just migrate it, is nice. [06:10] virt-manager is nice (for a free and open source software) but definitley not awesome [06:10] lol [06:11] hey, i was able to make a nice little virtual network with a firewall, and some hosts and what nots with it [06:12] i found xen to be finicky [06:12] kept getting weird crashes with kernel panics [06:12] at least on 18.04 host [06:13] you could try this if you'd like a nice open source gui https://xcp-ng.org/ [06:14] "Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda" [06:14] ARGH [06:14] oh wow, thanks, that does look nice [06:14] im a little scared to use xen again though [06:14] ouch geo [06:15] thats never a fun message to see lol [06:16] yes, xen is a bit of a dying species thanks to citrix's licensing politics. [06:22] tomreyn, I think you had a command before to dump what packages are installed on a machine; what was that? [06:23] dpkg -l ? [06:23] probably does it maybe? [06:24] yeah that seems to work geo [06:24] That is the correct command, yes. [06:26] If you only want the names of packages, and not versions or headers or other stuff, this is the best that I've come up with: [06:26] dpkg -l | egrep '^ii' | awk '{print $2}' [06:26] dpkg --get-selections [06:26] nice io [06:27] egrep [06:27] I think thats what I'm looking for, actually... you can use that with --set-selections, it looks like, and transfer from one box to another [06:27] ? [06:27] F [06:27] it failed AGAIN [06:27] what the hell, I blanked the disks [06:27] why can't I install grub [06:28] BIOS or UEFI? [06:28]