[00:04] <cybercrypto> delt: I have pretty hard time try understanding people that criticizing windows. I use slackware since 1996 as my workstation... but I have used Windows at every job I had since then ( and still have windows as my main work notebook).  I dont see I could even try to stop using Windows at work. I am a Systems Architect and I do respect every piece of sotfware out there.
[00:04] <iosecure> We've been asked to take this conversation to #ubuntu-offtopic.
[00:06] <cybercrypto> iosecure: Deal.
[00:19] <mhctud09> HI
[00:40] <poizonb0x> How do I enable the alt Fx terminals? Don't remember.
[00:41] <mhctud09> hi
[00:42] <Bashing-om> poizonb0x: clt+alt+F4 .
[00:42] <delt> yessss, the hostname issue seemed to be resolved :D
[00:43] <delt> thanks guys
[02:12] <CarlFK> gst ... alsasrc device=hw:1,0  "Device 'hw:1,0' is busy"  How do it see why it is busy?
[02:13] <bazhang> CarlFK, gstreamer?
[02:16] <CarlFK> bazhang: yes
[02:18] <bazhang> Bug 608042 could be this CarlFK ?
[02:19] <Avion> i have added a second monitor. laptop is 1ry and has an ugly pink box upper left that days Laptop eDP and thenother had annugly green box that reads Hewlett Packard 20" DisplayPort-0 -- laptop is 1366x768 and the HP is 1600x900 --- Well therenis a blank black band on the left edge of the HP monitor as if it cannot use the whole thing. i expected smaller type and more room for stuff on the HP + I want the movie (vlc from a commercial dv
[02:23] <JanC> you might want to change the primary display and/or select dual display (sounds like it's in mirror mode now)
[02:24] <CarlFK> bazhang: doubtful .  I struggling with input.  I was hoping this would help, but 404 Could you please log pulseaudio's output, as explained here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Pulseaudio/Log
[02:25] <preyalone> help, hppa64-linux-gnu-gcc complains it can't find stdio.h in Ubuntu Disco when i try to compile hello world
[02:27] <Avion> boxes solved when I closed the Monitor Preferences window.
[02:28] <Avion> Now why isnt my 2nd screen filled. oh test idea.
[02:29] <GH0sta> which distribution is the best UI?
[02:29] <GH0sta> similar to Mac OS or Windows
[02:30] <bazhang> ghost64, did you mean DE? as in KDE, lxde, gnome, etc
[02:30] <GH0sta> bazhang: Yeah
[02:31] <myself> That question is a good way to start a holy war ;)
[02:31] <GH0sta> lol
[02:31] <GH0sta> sorry about that
[02:32] <bazhang> no best GH0sta , matter of taste
[02:32] <GH0sta> I like MacOS environment
[02:32] <GH0sta> use to of it
[02:33] <tomreyn> gnome 3 is somewhat similar to os x, and also current ubuntu's default DE.
[02:33] <bazhang> GH0sta, check some screenshots online and decide
[02:33] <GH0sta> bazhang: cool
[02:33] <GH0sta> how close linux mint is?
[02:34] <tomreyn> you'd need to ask them
[02:34] <bazhang> GH0sta, they should have all the de
[02:34] <GH0sta> bazhang: ok
[02:35] <GH0sta> so for instance, if I install Ubuntu can I go in command line and install any environment I want?
[02:35] <bazhang> or all of them
[02:35] <bazhang> just switch at the login window
[02:36] <GH0sta> sounds cool
[02:36] <tomreyn> but you should probably reinstall after decinding in case you want to end up with only one in the end.
[02:36] <GH0sta> so where do I start with dual boot? :)
[02:36] <tomreyn> dual boot what?
[02:37] <tomreyn> i.e. which operating systems.
[02:37] <bazhang> GH0sta, which os do you want to dual boot ubuntu with
[02:37] <GH0sta> Windows 10
[02:38] <WoC-> GH0sta, grub should detect Win 10
[02:38] <tomreyn> GH0sta: you install windows first, ubuntu second.
[02:38] <GH0sta> Windows 10 is installed
[02:38] <GH0sta> WoC-:  grub?
[02:39] <cryptodan_mobile> GH0sta: https://www.tecmint.com/install-ubuntu-16-04-alongside-with-windows-10-or-8-in-dual-boot/
[02:39] <GH0sta> cryptodan_mobile: thanks :)
[02:39] <tomreyn> !dualboot
[02:39] <GH0sta> tomreyn: cheers!
[02:41] <GH0sta> opps
[02:41] <GH0sta> sorry
[02:41] <tomreyn> GH0sta: you'll need this to get started installing ubuntu after you installed windows: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#0
[02:42] <GH0sta> tomreyn: yeah windows is installed now
[02:43] <cryptodan_mobile> GH0sta: use windows disk management to shrink windows
[02:46] <GH0sta> cryptodan_mobile: can I installed it on a external HDD?
[02:46] <GH0sta> install it*
[02:46] <GH0sta> an*
[02:48] <tomreyn> GH0sta: yes, linux doesn't limit you on what storage you install and run from. however, not all BIOSes can boot all all storages.
[02:48] <tomreyn> USB attached storages usually work fine, though
[02:58] <GH0sta> tomreyn: cool.. thanks matey
[03:25] <no-n> what do I need to know before buying a laptop intended to run ubuntu? will it just run on anything?
[03:39] <tomreyn> no-n: it's good to know the wifi chipset if you intend to use the integrated wireless chip (i.e. not one attached to usb, or just ethernet, if it has that). it's also good to find lspci -nn and lsusb outputs of this *very* model if you can.
[03:39] <tomreyn> no-n: ideally buy it so that you can return it, no questions asked, for a limited time.
[03:40] <no-n> alrighty
[03:40] <myself> As someone who bought a thinkpad knowing that thinkpads are extraordinarily well-supported by linux, I'm still frustrated that my touchpad is basically condemned to suck forever. It's the only thing that doesn't work perfectly, but even in the ideal casae, there can still be things that're less than perfect.
[03:41] <myself> s/casae/case/
[03:42] <myself> Also, speaking from experience, set aside a USB stick and do that "create windows recovery media" step immediately when you unbox the thing, in case you decide to return it and need to put that back before doing so.
[03:43] <matsaman> Do that, but don't do it that way. Use ntfsclone and sfdisk to back it all up.
[03:43] <matsaman> Will save you tons of space, and be more reliable.
[03:43] <matsaman> myself: how's it work, your touchpad?
[03:45] <WoC> Back in the day, you would setup your tty1..6 using inittab, but in a current system, where would you add more ttys ? tty1->8, as the standard is just tty1->6
[03:45] <matsaman> Not for nothing, but why bother when you can just use GNU screen, or tmux?
[03:46] <WoC> Can be confusing when you have more than one system per tty matsaman
[03:46] <myself> matsaman: it was nearly perfect under 17.04, then I updated to 18.04 and spent about 2 weeks fighting with every possible synaptics option, trying to get it to do what it just did automatically before. Can't seem to. In order to get it to ignore palm-mashing, I've also got it ignoring all small movements, which means I can't do just-a-few-pixels precise pointing.
[03:46] <matsaman> WoC: what?
[03:47] <WoC> matsaman, when you work with external systems, imho, it's easier if you have one tty per system
[03:47] <matsaman> myself: hrmmm, I wonder if you have more things enabled than you desire, like wacom things
[03:47] <myself> nesting tmux inside tty switching, and then maybe within that you've got ssh to another box and tmux/screen inside that...
[03:47] <matsaman> WoC: I'm pretty sure most people agree a terminal multiplexer is simpler than limiting yourself to function keys
[03:47] <myself> it's nice to have one set of hotkeys per level of nesting, and never nest like-within-like
[03:47] <matsaman> WoC: ever try one?
[03:47] <Jack3k3> hey guys, is there a way to monitor global SIGSEGV (segmentation fault signals) for all programs running in ubuntu? is there any software that does this?
[03:47] <Jack3k3> I just want to know if a background software has a seg fault
[03:47] <WoC> yes, even used screen in screen
[03:47] <matsaman> myself: well terminal multiplexers provide that
[03:48] <matsaman> even more simply, actually
[03:48] <matsaman> ohwell
[03:48] <matsaman> WoC: you get /etc/inittab?
[03:48] <myself> oh I'm aware they can be nested, but you have to keep track of how many levels deep you are and count how many escapes you use, etc
[03:48] <matsaman> you don't need them to be nested
[03:48] <Geo> myself: since you seem to have some experience... my touchpad two-finger scroll is backwards from what I'm used to (swiping down moves a page up, instead of down). Have you found a way to swap that?
[03:48] <matsaman> 1-6, 1-8 is not nested in any way
[03:48] <myself> it's the sort of thing that feels like a cool stunt to do to show off your prowess, but is awkward in practice as a genuine workflow
[03:48] <poizonb0x> Which is the fdisk command to set the boot sda (In my case) where the mbr goes?
[03:48] <matsaman> it _is_ limited to 12
[03:48] <WoC> there is no inittab in current
[03:48] <matsaman> poizonb0x: "set"?
[03:49] <poizonb0x> matsaman: Yeah like the flag, been trying don't want to reinstall the whole distro.
[03:49] <matsaman> WoC: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd_FAQ#How_do_I_change_the_default_number_of_gettys?
[03:49] <myself> Geo: The "invert scroll direction" is named "content sticks to fingers" in the mouse options box
[03:49] <myself> (don't ask me why it's named that! heh)
[03:49] <matsaman> poizonb0x: what flag?
[03:49] <poizonb0x> I deleted a partition that the installer made me do which was the bios grub boot or something like that but still gives me invalid partition after BioS boot and it goes away by hitting enter btw.
[03:50] <WoC> k, ty matsaman
[03:50] <matsaman> poizonb0x: let's back up a moment please -> what is the problem?
[03:50] <Geo> Hmm, I don't see that? I'm looking at Settings->Devices-Mouse&Touchpad
[03:50] <Geo> Where should I be?
[03:50] <poizonb0x> matsaman: After boot I get "Invalid boot partition" even if I can boot by hitting enter I wished it didn't appear.
[03:51] <poizonb0x> After bios boot
[03:51] <matsaman> poizonb0x: so your firmware says invalid boot partition, and then grub loads, and then all is fine?
[03:51] <myself> Geo: try "natural scrolling"
[03:51] <Geo> i do indeed have that
[03:51] <Geo> another intuitive choice...
[03:52] <Geo> That did the trick. Thanks!
[03:52] <poizonb0x> matsaman: No grub loads it goes directly to ubuntu but yeah wishing to remove the need to hit enter I know I might have done the partitions wrong but well... can't remember how to set the flag for boot partition.
[03:52] <myself> I think of it as "airplane style", pull back on the stick to nose-up the plane ;)
[03:52] <Geo> yeah, haha
[03:52] <poizonb0x> Like setting the parititon that will boot first?
[03:52] <matsaman> poizonb0x: are you dual booting?
[03:52] <poizonb0x> matsaman: Not right now.
[03:53] <matsaman> poizonb0x: but GRUB is in complete control?
[03:53] <matsaman> poizonb0x: I ask because 'invalid boot partition' sounds like more of a Windows boot loader error message; or potentially before that (the BIOS/etc.)
[03:53] <Geo> Stepping on everyone else, but what max local throughput should I expect to see on SSD SATA3 drives, realistically?
[03:53] <matsaman> and less like anything GNU/Linux specific
[03:54] <matsaman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#SATA_revision_3.0_(6_Gbit/s,_600_MB/s,_Serial_ATA-600)
[03:54] <Geo> That's hypothetical, as I recall... do you really see that?
[03:55] <matsaman> I've never wasted the time to check
[03:55] <matsaman> you asked for max, that's what it is
[03:55] <Geo> ...I should expect to see :P
[03:55] <matsaman> I should expect you'd never see, because it's a waste of time to even check
[03:55] <Geo> I'm mirroring a disk right now and seeing 205000K/sec
[03:55] <matsaman> do you feel like your system is slower than it should be?
[03:56] <matsaman> well mirroring a disk is a waste of time, for sure
[03:56] <poizonb0x> The fdisk option "a" for toggle a bootable flag doesn't exist anymore :/
[03:56] <matsaman> poizonb0x: doesn't matter, GNU/Linux doesn't care about those flags
[03:56] <matsaman> poizonb0x: sure you aren't booting GRUB via Windows' boot loader?
[03:56] <tomreyn> Jack3k3: apport, see /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern
[03:56] <matsaman> poizonb0x: you might want to just walk through the GRUB reinstallation steps
[03:57] <poizonb0x> No I wipe'd the whole sda and created the common partitions ext4,swap and some Fat for win but haven't install win yet and I'm getting the error.
[03:57] <matsaman> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[03:57] <matsaman> it's hard to imagine it's anything other than Windows leftovers or your BIOS/EFI being confused
[03:57] <matsaman> can you post a photograph of the error?
[03:57] <matsaman> Or a video of the boot process up to and including it?
[03:58] <poizonb0x> Just after bios it prompts Invalid boot partition!
[03:58] <poizonb0x> I hit enter and goes to the next boot I guess it could be bios but I set the sda to be the first boot option.
[03:59] <poizonb0x> and it goes to ubuntu after I hit enter so I don't understand, just don't want to reinstall *I compiled kern"
[03:59] <tomreyn> Geo: mirroring how?
[03:59] <matsaman> poizonb0x: try this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[03:59] <matsaman> or otherwise verify GRUB is configured as you meant it to be
[04:03] <WoC> opps, forgot X is hardcoded to tty7
[04:04] <tomreyn> Geo: in case you're talking mdadm, don't forget about /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max
[04:04] <Geo> tomreyn: yes, mdadm
[04:05] <Geo> ah, neat
[04:11] <tomreyn> Geo: to set per array (such if you have different types of physical storages in arrays, e.g. hdds + ssds), there is /sys/devices/virtual/block/md*/md/sync_speed_max
[04:11] <tomreyn> as per md(4)
[04:13] <Geo> just pumped up the speed_limit_max, now I'm seeing 400000K/sec
[04:13] <Geo> so thats cool
[04:14] <Geo> ..hopefully nothing catches on fire...
[04:15] <myself> document it for us if it does ;)
[04:15] <tomreyn> you might not want to have a hdd backed array aim for this speed.
[04:15] <Geo> yeah, these are ssds
[04:16] <Geo> I wonder though- even if I did on a hdd, wouldn't the hdd just cap it at whatever input it can handle? It can only spin so fast
[04:28] <Geo> damnit, I dorked up the boot
[04:28] <Geo> Still learning UEFI... So with an ESP partition, isnt that the 'bootable' partition now?
[04:29] <Geo> I just rebooted after creating a raid partition, and I'm getting the grub screen
[04:29] <Geo> I thought by leaving the ESP untouched, that was sufficient
[04:30] <Geo> Do I need to go back and do a grub install on the / raid partition still?
[04:34] <WoC> is there an easy way to make lightdm use a tty other than 7 ?
[04:35] <tomreyn> about "<Geo> I wonder though- even if I did on a hdd, wouldn't the hdd just cap it at whatever input it can handle? It can only spin so fast" - yes they would. which is why i'd rather set the max limit (which becomes a target if there i no other I/O going on) no higher than the default system-wide, but just individually for SSD backed arrays.
[04:37] <tomreyn> if hdd backed arrays were trying to reach a value they technically cannot, it might adversely affect (a) general I/O when other processes start demanding it and (b) (less likely) the HDDs durability
[04:38] <tomreyn> but (a) is quite relevant
[04:41] <Geo> grrr... cant make this bootable with grub
[04:41] <Geo> 'failed to get canonical path of /cow'
[04:42] <tomreyn> Geo: with UEFI booting to a GPT partitioned disk, you grub-install to the raw / full storage device, e.g. sda, like you used to. for this to work, you need the ESP. grub detects it and writes its core image into the ESP, and places its UEFI shim into the tiny efi storage on the mainboard.
[04:43] <Geo> So, I think that's what I'm doing
[04:43] <Geo> grub-install /dev/sda
[04:43] <tomreyn> Geo: which partitions do you have there?
[04:43] <Geo> sda1 is the esp
[04:43] <Geo> sda2/3 are raid partitions
[04:43] <tomreyn> what is / backed by?
[04:43] <Geo> What do you mean by that?
[04:44] <Geo> / is on sda2, if thats what you're asking?
[04:45] <tomreyn> i'm asking about the block device layers below the root file system, and their order
[04:45] <Geo> you're beyond my skill level now
[04:46] <tomreyn> for example, you may have / on a logical volume which is stacked on top of a raid device, which is backed by two partitions on separate phsical storages
[04:46] <tomreyn> maybe i just explained it badly
[04:47] <Geo> sda2 and sdb2 form md0, for the / filesystem
[04:47] <Geo> mdadm isn't running now, as I booted w/ livecd
[04:47] <Geo> sda2 and sdb2 are linux-raid-members
[04:47] <tomreyn> i see
[04:47] <tomreyn> do you have full disk encryption, too? or lvm?
[04:48] <Geo> no
[04:48] <tomreyn> ok then you should not need a separate boot partition, good.
[04:48] <Geo> does ESP = boot partition?
[04:48] <tomreyn> * a separate partition hosting the /boot file system, that is
[04:49] <Geo> I'm not sure of the new terminology
[04:49] <tomreyn> ESP doesn't host /boot
[04:49] <Geo> *new to me
[04:49] <Geo> ok
[04:50] <tomreyn> you just need the vfat32 formatted ESP, flagged with 'boot' and 'esp', and the raid paritions.
[04:51] <Geo> so just flag the ESP as boot, is all I need?
[04:52] <tomreyn> roughly this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/B87kg5ycbv/
[04:52] <tomreyn> you dont need to have two raids, of course, that's just an example
[04:53] <tomreyn> and the esp can be smaller
[04:53] <Geo> My table already looks like that
[04:53] <Geo> boot,esp
[04:54] <tomreyn> okay, then which ubuntu version are you installing, and how, and what's exactly failing?
[04:54] <Geo> 18.04. It installed, ran, I created two raid partitions with mdadm, all good. I rebooted, and it went to the grub screen
[04:54] <Geo> So I blew away some boot record
[04:55] <Geo> And I probably should have guessed...
[04:55] <Geo> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-create-raid-arrays-with-mdadm-on-ubuntu-18-04
[04:55] <Geo> Take a look about halfway down, or search for "may not be suitable as a boot device"
[04:55] <Geo> That's the screen I saw
[04:55] <Geo> But I figured since I wasn't touching ESP, I should be fine
[04:55] <iosecure> So, you installed the system... And then turned the partition upon which you already installed into a mirror?
[04:57] <tomreyn> you want mdadm meta data to be 0.90 on the array hosting /boot
[04:57] <tomreyn> that's why i have 2 arrays in the example i provided
[04:57] <tomreyn> one uses 0.90 meta data, the other the current one.
[04:58] <tomreyn> Geo: ^
[04:59] <iosecure> The requirement for metadata v0.90 hasn't been there for a while.
[04:59] <Geo> tomreyn: yeah, got it, thanks... thinking on how to back this out a bit
[05:01] <tomreyn> iosecure: you'Re right, i mixed this up, actually both are 1.2 on this system.
[05:01] <iosecure> Geo: As for my question: You installed the system, and then created a mirror using the partition that you installed onto?
[05:01] <Geo> I assembled the raid partitions, but can't mount them
[05:01] <tomreyn> Geo: so i was wrong about the need to have v0.90 metadata
[05:02] <Geo> iosecure: yes
[05:02] <Geo> while on a livecd boot, yes
[05:02] <iosecure> That's destructive.
[05:02] <iosecure> Running the array creation operation on an existing partition will damage/destroy the filesystem already there.
[05:03] <tomreyn> correct
[05:04] <iosecure> The mirror must be created first, and then data written to it. Creating a mirror does not duplicate the data to the other member partition, but instead creates an empty device.
[05:04] <iosecure> Data written to this device is written to both members of the array.
[05:04] <tomreyn> Geo: see the first red box on the tutorial you followed about this
[05:05] <Geo> Under resetting existing raid devices?
[05:05] <tomreyn> Geo: the easiest way to confuigure this is during the installation, as long as you use an installer which supports it
[05:05] <Geo> I wasn't resetting anything
[05:06] <iosecure> Running, for example, "mdadm --create --level=1 /dev/md0 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2" will DESTROY any data on /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2.
[05:07] <tomreyn> Geo: basically what you need to know is that you can't just convert an existing partition or file system into a RAID member, at least not directly.
[05:07] <Geo> oh, thats what I did differently. I know I had done this before- I think I created a mirror with on disk, then added the second
[05:07] <Geo> s/on/one
[05:08] <Geo> anyway- in the ubuntu installer, md0 is listed there, but I need to specify a / mount point, which I can't on md0. Which should I select?
[05:08] <tomreyn> this could work, but i'm not sure the installers would let you install this way.
[05:09] <tomreyn> which installer are you using anyways? desktop? (default) server-live? (alternative) server (d-i)? mini.iso? pxe? debootstrap?
[05:09] <tomreyn> and is it 18.04.0 or .1?
[05:10] <Geo> .1
[05:10] <Geo> and must be desktop, since I have a GUI on here
[05:10] <iosecure> The desktop installer does not support RAID.
[05:10] <iosecure> Only the alternate installer media does.
[05:10] <Geo> ugh
[05:11] <tomreyn> well the live -server does, too, to a degree
[05:11] <Geo> I can't install onto a RAID disk with the desktop installer?
[05:11] <iosecure> No.
[05:11] <Geo> Not create- just install
[05:11] <Geo> wow.
[05:11] <Geo> and server doesn't come with the GUI, iirc?
[05:11] <tomreyn> comes with a TUI
[05:12] <iosecure> Either there's an option during install to install the desktop, or it's a single command to do so after the install finishes.
[05:17] <iosecure> The latter.
[05:17] <iosecure> There's an apt metapackage that will pull in the desktop.
[05:17] <Geo> I did that once a few years back and totally hosed the install
[05:17] <Geo> hence the switch to desktop
[05:17] <Geo> tons of dependencies broke
[05:17] <iosecure> Is this actually for a desktop, or a server?
[05:18] <Geo> yes to both
[05:18] <iosecure> No, a system is either a desktop, or a server. Which is it?
[05:18] <Geo> I guess it depends on the definition you have in your head
[05:19] <iosecure> What are you using the system for?
[05:19] <Geo> I remote to it and use it for network facing applications. I also log on to it while sitting in front of it to use a gui.
[05:19] <Geo> Is there a safer/easier way to create a bootable usb than dd from commandline?
[05:20] <iosecure> cp file.iso /dev/sdx
[05:20] <tomreyn> Geo: you sould consider not mixing these use cases, rather set it up as a desktop with VMs or containers for the server use case. much safer.
[05:20] <Geo> really, that simple? Never knew that. dd or unetbootin
[05:20] <iosecure> unetbootin is kind of a disaster.
[05:21] <WoC> etcher is a lot better than unetbootin
[05:22] <iosecure> etcher is quite nice, yeah.
[05:22]  * tomreyn +1
[05:23] <iosecure> But for any ISO designed for direct writing, cp is easy.
[05:28] <NorthwestVegan> wow, i can write an ISO with cp! til
[05:28] <NorthwestVegan> any it will boot?
[05:28] <Geo> live-server = server?
[05:28] <NorthwestVegan> *and
[05:29] <tomreyn> Geo: live-server (subiquity based) is the default server installer since i think 18.04 or 17.10.
[05:29] <iosecure> NorthwestVegan: Yes, or I wouldn't have mentioned it. :P
[05:30] <NorthwestVegan> thats very cool thanks
[05:30] <NorthwestVegan> saves me some characters compared to dd
[05:34] <Geo> So now I'm just learning new stuff... how do I tell what version is on an install disk, by looking at the file contents?
[05:34] <Geo> ie, how would I tell if the usb drive I'm using has 18.04 desktop, or server on it?
[05:34] <tomreyn> Geo: running it is an option
[05:34] <NorthwestVegan> isnt there a checksum file that has the version in it?
[05:35] <Geo> tomreyn: yep, but was curious about filestructure
[05:36] <tomreyn> README.diskdefines tells, too
[05:36] <tomreyn> or .disk/info
[05:36] <Geo> What are you using to view those? They look to be binary files
[05:37] <tomreyn> you can loop mount it or use a file archive viewer such as file-roller
[05:39] <NorthwestVegan> yeah the README.diskdefines is the best answer, its in the root, and its the most descriptive
[05:40] <tomreyn> i think .disk/info is the best answer, though for mini.iso it's .disk/mini-info
[05:41] <NorthwestVegan> the .disk/info is a nice 1 liner
[05:41] <NorthwestVegan> and has the date
[05:41] <NorthwestVegan> so yeah i pretty much agree
[05:43] <NorthwestVegan> Geo, if you didnt know, grep -R -i <seach terms> is helpful for this kind of thing
[05:49] <Geo> setting up md raids in the installer is new to me- it seems I can only mirror whole disks? not partitions?
[05:50] <NorthwestVegan> i usually install mdadm from command line first
[05:50] <NorthwestVegan> then run the installer
[05:50] <iosecure> You need to create partitions for mdadm to use, first.
[05:50] <iosecure> Do NOT mirror whole disks. This will cause issues later.
[05:50] <NorthwestVegan> then you have to install mdadm in the host after you boot it
[05:51] <NorthwestVegan> or i guess you could chroot, at least thats how i do it
[05:51] <Geo> iosecure: adding partitions seems to remove the option to use md
[05:51] <Geo> unless maybe I shouldn't set a mount point...
[05:51] <Geo> no, still grayed out
[05:54] <tomreyn> Geo: which installer are you using? version and type?
[05:54] <Geo> live-server
[05:54] <Geo> whatever it gave me for 18.04
[05:54] <iosecure> That isn't the alternative installer.
[05:54] <tomreyn> did you just download it?
[05:54] <Geo> yes
[05:54] <NorthwestVegan> oh im sorry geo, i was talking about desktop installer
[05:54] <NorthwestVegan> dont listen to me
[05:55] <tomreyn> you'd better use the alternate installer
[05:55] <Geo> NorthwestVegan: you're good :)
[05:55] <NorthwestVegan> :)
[05:55] <Geo> that's how I thought to do it first, but was told this was better
[05:55] <Geo> Here i am, an hour later... :P
[05:55] <iosecure> Alternate installer != server installer.
[05:55] <tomreyn> who told you the live-installer was better?
[05:56] <tomreyn> iosecure: i'm referring to the alternative server installer, classic / debian installer based installer
[05:56] <iosecure> tomreyn: I know.
[05:57] <iosecure> I was more telling Geo that he downloaded the wrong image.
[05:57] <iosecure> tomreyn: I know you know which one to use. :P
[05:57] <tomreyn> iosecure: okay ;-)
[05:57] <NorthwestVegan> whats the best way to get the most minimal ubuntu install for use in VM?
[05:58] <iosecure> NorthwestVegan: net installer image, and select nothing when it asks which package sets you want.
[05:58] <NorthwestVegan> yeah thats makes sense, thanks man
[05:58] <iosecure> Or install SSH, if you want to be able to log in.
[05:58] <tomreyn> NorthwestVegan: debootstrap
[05:58] <NorthwestVegan> the default server iso gives me pretty large default install
[05:59] <NorthwestVegan> yeah debootstrap is cool
[05:59] <NorthwestVegan> how do i get it to pull ubuntu though?
[05:59] <tomreyn> you use debootstrap from ubuntu
[05:59] <tomreyn> alternatively you tell it to pull from ubuntu
[05:59] <NorthwestVegan> lol, is it really that simple
[06:00] <NorthwestVegan> i have only used to it to  make debian chroots
[06:02] <NorthwestVegan> i had this in my scrips:
[06:02] <NorthwestVegan> sudo debootstrap --arch arm64 --foreign bionic /chroot/bionic/ http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
[06:02] <NorthwestVegan> is there a better command
[06:03] <tomreyn> what do you need a better one for?
[06:04] <NorthwestVegan> oh idk, i cant even remember when/where i made that
[06:04] <NorthwestVegan> just seems pretty verbose
[06:04] <NorthwestVegan> and i wasnt sure if that last url part was correct way
[06:05] <tomreyn> i've never used debootstrap for arm64 installations, i think. but i guess it could work. after all you still need to ensure its bootable either way.
[06:05] <NorthwestVegan> i only use it for my firejail chroot scripts
[06:06] <NorthwestVegan> i was originally pondering minimalist ubuntu servers for kvm/qemu vms
[06:06] <tomreyn> it's recommended to always use debootstrap from the newest development branch or latest stable release
[06:06] <tomreyn> so sid or ubuntu+1
[06:07] <NorthwestVegan> oh ok, cool
[06:07] <NorthwestVegan> whats your guys prefered way to virtualize on ubuntu?
[06:08] <iosecure> I'm a KVM guy. Work also bought me a few licenses for VMware Workstation.
[06:08] <NorthwestVegan> i have really enjoyed kvm
[06:08] <NorthwestVegan> vmware i havent used in years though
[06:09] <NorthwestVegan> the virt-manager gui is pretty awesome
[06:09] <iosecure> I do a lot of work in our ESXi labs, so being able to mess with a VM locally, then just migrate it, is nice.
[06:10] <tomreyn> virt-manager is nice (for a free and open source software) but definitley not awesome
[06:10] <NorthwestVegan> lol
[06:11] <NorthwestVegan> hey, i was able to make a nice little virtual network with a firewall, and some hosts and what nots with it
[06:12] <NorthwestVegan> i found xen to be finicky
[06:12] <NorthwestVegan> kept getting weird crashes with kernel panics
[06:12] <NorthwestVegan> at least on 18.04 host
[06:13] <tomreyn> you could try this if you'd like a nice open source gui https://xcp-ng.org/
[06:14] <Geo> "Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda"
[06:14] <Geo> ARGH
[06:14] <NorthwestVegan> oh wow, thanks, that does look nice
[06:14] <NorthwestVegan> im a little scared to use xen again though
[06:14] <NorthwestVegan> ouch geo
[06:15] <NorthwestVegan> thats never a fun message to see lol
[06:16] <tomreyn> yes, xen is a bit of a dying species thanks to citrix's licensing politics.
[06:22] <Geo> tomreyn, I think you had a command before to dump what packages are installed on a machine; what was that?
[06:23] <NorthwestVegan> dpkg -l ?
[06:23] <NorthwestVegan> probably does it maybe?
[06:24] <NorthwestVegan> yeah that seems to work geo
[06:24] <iosecure> That is the correct command, yes.
[06:26] <iosecure> If you only want the names of packages, and not versions or headers or other stuff, this is the best that I've come up with:
[06:26] <iosecure> dpkg -l | egrep '^ii' | awk '{print $2}'
[06:26] <Geo> dpkg --get-selections
[06:26] <NorthwestVegan> nice io
[06:27] <NorthwestVegan> egrep
[06:27] <Geo> I think thats what I'm looking for, actually... you can use that with --set-selections, it looks like, and transfer from one box to another
[06:27] <NorthwestVegan> ?
[06:27] <Geo> F
[06:27] <Geo> it failed AGAIN
[06:27] <Geo> what the hell, I blanked the disks
[06:27] <Geo> why can't I install grub
[06:28] <iosecure> BIOS or UEFI?
[06:28] <Geo> uefi
[06:28] <iosecure> And you've created an ESP and formatted it correctly?
[06:28] <Geo> there's an esp partition listed
[06:29] <iosecure> How did you create it?
[06:29] <Geo> selecting the 'partition disks' option doesn't do anything in the installer, so I can't tell you more than that now
[06:29] <Geo> have to restart AGAIN
[06:35] <Geo> iosecure, how am I creating the ESP in the alternative installer? is creating a fat32 partition and making it bootable sufficient?
[06:36] <iosecure> It has to be marked as EFI System Partition.
[06:37] <iosecure> That's the partition type you'd set.
[06:37] <iosecure> And its mountpoint needs to be /boot/efi, though the installer should do that automatically if you select the correct type.
[06:37] <Geo> I'm not seeing that option
[06:37] <iosecure> Did you boot the installer in UEFI mode?
[06:37] <Geo> I have no idea
[06:37] <Geo> How would I select that?
[06:37] <Geo> via BIOS, or the installer itself?
[06:38] <iosecure> During boot.
[06:39] <iosecure> Okay, go to an alternate TTY. Ctrl+Alt+F2.
[06:39] <Geo> At what point during boot? is that an installer option, or a bios option?
[06:39] <Geo> I'm there
[06:39] <iosecure> stat /sys/firmware/efi
[06:39] <Geo> nsd
[06:39] <iosecure> Then you're booted in legacy BIOS mode.
[06:40] <Geo> so again- is that selected by the bios, or the installer?
[06:40] <Geo> I know my bios is set to uefi, and I didn't see an option in the installer to select something
[06:40] <iosecure> You don't set your BIOS to UEFI, it IS UEFI or it isn't.
[06:41] <Geo> There's an option to boot into legacy
[06:41] <iosecure> When you select which media to boot, it should say UEFI or something similar in front of the device.
[06:41] <Geo> Ah - I did see that
[06:41] <iosecure> Yes, but that doesn't mean you're not using UEFI, you're just using its compatibility module.
[06:41] <Geo> ok
[06:42] <Geo> Is there no install documentation anywhere on this?
[06:43] <iosecure> So, these things occur before the Ubuntu install media ever boots. How this all works depends on the motherboard manufacturer.
[06:45] <Geo> I get that, I'm not talking just about that part there
[06:52] <Geo> ok, here we go finally, looks like grub worked
[06:53] <Geo> thanks for that tip on selecting the right boot device
[06:54] <Geo> and which package do i install for the normal desktop? I recall gnome, and nautilus, and a few other options...
[06:55] <NorthwestVegan> nice geo, finally lol
[06:55] <Geo> yeah, that was a struggle
[06:55] <Geo> I've never dealt with uefi
[06:55] <NorthwestVegan> theres metapackages with like ubuntu-desktop
[06:56] <NorthwestVegan> xubuntu-desktop
[06:56] <NorthwestVegan> maybe that would be something you might want to install?
[06:56] <Geo> Do you know which one is installed with the Desktop version?
[06:56] <Geo> that's what I'm looking for
[06:56] <NorthwestVegan> i believe ubuntu-desktop is the default one
[06:57] <NorthwestVegan> i prefer xubuntu but thats just m e
[06:57] <Geo> cool. I'll leave terminal on here until I need it
[07:06] <Geo> ok
[07:06] <Geo> rsync running
[07:06] <Geo> thank you
[07:06] <Geo> I think I could have done it faster the way I was trying to go, but learned a lot more this way
[07:07] <Geo> Good to drag me into understanding the current technologies being used
[07:07] <Geo> so- thanks again to iosecure and tomreyn
[07:22] <tomreyn> Geo: glad you made it. :)
[07:24] <tomreyn> Geo: if you want the default desktop experience, be sure to read and compare the release notes for server and desktop, and to switch from systemd-networkd to network-manager
[07:24] <tomreyn> !releasenotes
[07:33] <Gamsuners> Using PulseAudio Client on Ubuntu 18.04, PulseAudio Server on Windows 10. I can successfully send sound to the PulseAudio server, but if I don't want to connect to a server, the sound on Ubuntu no longer works (if it can't connect to default-server in /etc/pulse/client.conf). Sound doesn't work at all on my Ubuntu computer, why?
[08:23] <didoerpl> hello which mail server do ubuntu use?
[08:26] <ducasse> didoerpl: there are several mtas in the repos, if that is what you mean
[08:30] <didoerpl> I mean the ubuntu website system - which mail server does their system use
[08:31] <ducasse> we have no idea about that, this is the wrong place to ask
[08:31] <didoerpl> can I install not outdated package for mail server opensmtpd, and how is sendmail package different from opensmtpd
[08:31] <didoerpl> I need a mail server bro
[08:33] <didoerpl> is opensmtpd in the repo ? ducasse
[08:34] <ducasse> !info opensmtpd
[08:35] <tomreyn> !latest | didoerpl
[08:35] <didoerpl> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=opensmtpd is it considered old , in the sense that it is outdated, in the sense that it's no longer has security patches  ?
[08:36] <tomreyn> didoerpl: read the message above of what you just wrote
[08:37] <didoerpl> ok so I can use the old version on arch too if on ubuntu o does the same logic apply to them too- I use arch as well. https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/opensmtpd/
[08:38] <tomreyn> packages (in the 'main' and 'restricted' pockets) in ubuntu receive security updates for as long as the ubuntu release is supported. so for 5 years, soon probably for 8 years, for LTS releases.
[08:38] <didoerpl> can I still use the old one? If there are bug fixes and it's maintained I don't need teh "latest and greatest" features
[08:38] <tomreyn> you can't mix packages between different linux distributions, and expect them to be supported, no.
[08:40] <tomreyn> opensmtpd is in the 'universe' pocket, so it receives community support 'only', meaning timely security patches are not guaranteed.
[08:42] <ducasse> didoerpl: if you want something that gets security patches, use something from 'main'
[08:42] <tomreyn> postfix is in main, receives full security support
[08:43] <tomreyn> so is exim4
[09:01] <madduck> i have a debian and a ubuntu machine next to each other, in the same WLAN, without iptables. Both can ping e.g. de.archive.ubuntu.com, but only the Debian machine can establish a HTTPS connection. The Ubuntu machine fails. Also cannot establish IMAPS connections.
[09:01] <madduck> What the heck?
[09:03] <heistheDude> Hello. Is there a way to completely factory resetting ubuntu also deleting files and everything in it? Sort of like formatting but skipping all the kernel procedures.
[09:18] <ducasse> heistheDude: there's no factory reset, no
[09:20] <tomreyn> madduck: are you saying the debian machine establishes a http connection to de.archive.ubuntu.com (on tcp port 443)?
[09:25] <tomreyn> madduck: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CbJpbN27Mt/
[09:25] <tomreyn> i don't think there's anything listening there.
[09:26] <tomreyn> heistheDude: what do you mean by "skipping all the kernel procedures"? what you plan to do sounds like reoinstalling.
[09:29] <tomreyn> heistheDude: next time you'll cross post and got an answer elsewhere, please point out here that you did so.
[09:34] <heistheDude> Got the answer guy. [CLOSED]
[09:41] <ducasse> heistheDude: this is why crossposting is considered rude, so please don't do it
[09:45] <didoerpl> hey what is ctrl + ] ; telnet some_ip 25 # the terminal gets taken, but ctrl + ] yields it ? why ?
[10:05] <Miguel2013> is ubuntu sdtill the most popular linux out there
[10:05] <Miguel2013> lots of bots in here like on some channels I've seem
[10:06] <Katnip> https://distrowatch.com/
[10:18] <ikonia> Miguel2013: not really any bots in here
[10:18] <ikonia> no idea why you'd say that
[10:20] <Miguel2013> lubuntu droping 32bit suport? wtf
[10:20] <Miguel2013> I'm gonna freak out
[10:20] <Miguel2013> I need to call my therapist
[10:21] <ikonia> please grow up
[10:21] <ikonia> 32bit x86_64 is becoming obsolete
[10:22] <Miguel2013> what am supose to do with my pentium 3 laptop https://imgur.com/gallery/tUEgSCE
[10:22] <Miguel2013> i bought a gigabit pcmcia card for it like last year
[10:23] <ikonia> Miguel2013: use a different distro
[10:23] <Miguel2013> don't wanna use window managers those don't work as gui desktops
[10:24] <Miguel2013> and I liked lubuntu for being debian friendly
[10:26] <ikonia> there are others
[10:27] <Miguel2013> can u name some?
[10:27] <ikonia> not off the top of my head
[10:27] <ikonia> google will show some,
[10:27] <Miguel2013> not just 32bit but very low end that run fast like if I put windows 95
[10:27] <Miguel2013> I'll look if u dont' tell me
[10:48] <bindi> is it possible to set up raid1 and encrypted lvm with the alternate installer? without too much manual work
[11:06] <bipul> Hi, How would i create persistent dummy interfaces, even after booting it should get create.
[11:33] <Miguel2013> why there is not one on the peppermint linux channel
[11:33] <Miguel2013> is one of the coolest os cause is lightweight
[11:34] <matsaman> Miguel2013: because it's really just Lubuntu, which is really just Ubuntu, which is really just Debian
[11:34] <Miguel2013> are you but hmm yea
[11:34] <matsaman> or, put another way: why are tea partiers all republicans
[11:34] <matsaman> because they are
[11:35] <Miguel2013> I don't research candidates as much I did on my previous life
[11:36] <matsaman> well there are fewer choices now, aren't there
[11:36] <matsaman> and they quit faster
[11:37] <Miguel2013> people are people why was arnold elected maybe there was fraud but it wouldn't surprise me if he was
[11:39] <matsaman> oh that's easy
[11:39] <matsaman> as an actor/narcissist, Arnold actually cares what people think, which is actually a quality a public servant _should have_
[11:39] <matsaman> and so many do not
[11:39] <matsaman> admittedly, it can be a quality one has too much of
[11:40] <Miguel2013> there were doctors among the candidates for california in 2004
[11:40] <EriC^> what's going on here
[11:40] <EriC^> i thought this was ##Linux for a second
[11:41] <Miguel2013> they created a show with the playbock chick and left arnold looking as the coolest and most viable/serious decision and people are smoking
[11:50] <matsaman> Miguel2013: he probably also had a lot more money than doctors
[12:26] <adroit_machine> I have installed a new SSD in my laptop. I want to copy my ubuntu partition with rsync from HDD to SSD. What else do I need to do?
[12:27] <adroit_machine> I mean what else I need to do beside copying parition to make ubuntu work on SSD?
[12:30] <TimeDoctor> adroit_machine: https://askubuntu.com/questions/741723/moving-entire-linux-installation-to-another-drive
[12:30] <adroit_machine> I will check that out, TimeDoctor. Thanks for the link
[12:32] <matsaman> adroit_machine: I would not use clonezilla for that, personally
[12:33] <matsaman> adroit_machine: all you really need to do is vaguely duplicate your partition scheme, if you like it
[12:33] <matsaman> copy over the data properly
[12:33] <matsaman> and re/install your boot loader
[12:34] <matsaman> this is very easily done from a live OS with things like sfdisk, sgdisk for the partitions, rsync for the data, and regular grub-install/etc. for the boot loader
[12:34] <adroit_machine> I think so too, matsaman. clonezilla is quite complicated. I would use rsync for that purpose
[12:34] <matsaman> and slightly more complicatedly for rsync without being on a live OS
[12:34] <adroit_machine> matsaman: just tell me how do I install boot loader
[12:34] <matsaman> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows should still apply
[12:35] <adroit_machine> matsaman, I want to show you something
[12:36] <matsaman> and for your SSD, you might read up on 'discard' for fstab
[12:39] <adroit_machine> matsaman: in gparted I see an extra partition on my HDD i.e. EFI system partition. Can you tell me what is that?
[12:40] <Mathisen> adroit_machine, that is your ESP , simple answer the partition that makes it possible to boot with uefi for you
[12:42] <matsaman> adroit_machine: as he said, it's an extra stupid partition that EFI expects
[12:42] <matsaman> if your system can work without EFI, which is incredibly likely, you can potentially forego it
[12:47] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[12:48] <raddy> My ubuntu installation is having 1.2G space in /
[12:49] <raddy> I am getting the following error. "linux-headers-generic : Depends: linux-headers-4.4.0-141-generic but it is not going to be installed"
[12:49] <raddy> ubuntu is not allowing me to remove other packages to make more space available
[12:50] <raddy> It is showing that error while trying to install or remove / purge anything
[12:50] <raddy> Please help
[12:51] <matsaman> raddy: I don't believe that error has anything to do with your free space
[12:53] <Rumbles> Hello, I wanted to allow non-admin users to upgrade the software on their ubuntu laptop. Currently when you open gnome-software, it lists no updates, while apt tells me there are 11 packages to update. If I open "Software Updater" it tells me there are software updates, but it asks me for a password
[12:53] <raddy> matsaman: I am not saying the error caused the lack of free space, but it is not allowing to make more space available by removing / purging packages
[12:53] <matsaman> raddy: ok
[12:53] <Rumbles> I believe I can allow this with PolicyKit, but the advice I found on ask ubuntu was 8 years old and I have had no sucess getting that advice to work, can anyone suggest the right way to do this?
[12:54] <Mathisen> Rumbles, give the user sudo privliges
[12:55] <Rumbles> the user can't have sudo
[12:55] <Mathisen> raddy, pastebin the output when you try to purge whatever packet
[12:55] <Mathisen> Rumbles, sudo does not mean it can do whatever you can limit what a specific user is allowed to do
[12:56] <matsaman> I mean, that's how sudo originall was meant to be used
[12:56] <matsaman> Rumbles: what he means is give them sudo privileges the proper way, not the way Ubuntu uses by default =)
[12:56] <Rumbles> if you give someone sudo, they can do whatever they want, it's not an option. I just want to allow them to upgrade software using policykit
[12:56] <matsaman> that is: add a line in sudoers that allows _only_ running the specific thing you want
[12:56] <matsaman> Rumbles: no, you are confusing how Ubuntu misuses sudo with what sudo can and was actually meant to do
[12:57] <Rumbles> I don't want to use sudo
[12:57] <matsaman> which is an easy thing to be confused about
[12:57] <Rumbles> I want them to do this via the gui
[12:57] <Rumbles> not command line
[12:57] <matsaman> Rumbles: you do, though, it's exactly what you're after
[12:57] <matsaman> they don't need to use a command
[12:57] <matsaman> you just have to set it up right
[12:57] <Rumbles> no I don't, please stop talking about sudo
[12:57] <matsaman> you don't, but you could, it would be a solution, a good one
[12:58] <Rumbles> I know what you mean and it would work, but the users don't want to be taught how to use the dcommand line to update, when there are gui tools for this
[12:58] <matsaman> again, you would not have to make them use a command
[12:58] <Captain_Haddock> He's saying that they wouldn't need to use the command line.
[12:58] <Captain_Haddock> To update software, the users need to be given privileges.
[12:59] <Captain_Haddock> sudo gives privileges. It can't give root privileges or it can give restricted privileges depending on how you set it up for a particular set of users.
[12:59] <matsaman> it could be as simple as adding the right line into /etc/sudoers and then wrapping the command you want to allow them to prepend 'sudo ' (without having them have to type _any_ command)
[12:59] <Rumbles> I am lead to believe you can allow this using policy kit rather than sudoers, is that possible?
[12:59] <Captain_Haddock> s/can't/can/
[12:59] <matsaman> probably, dunno why anyone would use policykit when they could use sudo, it's so simple
[13:00] <Rumbles> ok, that's fine, thanks for your input, you don't know, does anyone here know?
[13:00] <matsaman> try pkexec
[13:00] <matsaman> it's actuated the same as sudo, but with many fewer years of proven use
[13:00] <matsaman> kind of the opposite in terms of proven stability
[13:00] <Captain_Haddock> matsaman: He doesn't want to listen.
[13:01] <matsaman> Captain_Haddock: I mean obviously =)
[13:01] <ioria> Rumbles, you need a policykit rule in  /etc/polkit-1/localauthority
[13:01] <Captain_Haddock> :)
[13:01] <Rumbles> I know how to use sudo, I want to try out policykit
[13:01] <adroit_machine> matsaman: do I need to copy EFI boot partition to the SSD?
[13:01] <matsaman> Rumbles: fair enough
[13:01] <matsaman> adroit_machine: probably, if you're using it now (which you probably are) and want to continue to (which technically you probably don't need to)
[13:02] <adroit_machine> matsaman: if I can get away with it(if it is not important), I'm not going to copy it. Just one simple question would my computer boot without it?
[13:03] <matsaman> adroit_machine: that depends on the computer
[13:04] <matsaman> the simplest path as far as migrating your data from one disk to another is to keep it
[13:04] <matsaman> although if you ever got rid of it at some point, if you could, your system would be simpler =)
[13:04] <matsaman> adroit_machine: if you boot up into your "BIOS" menu, look at its boot mode options
[13:04] <matsaman> look for 'efi', 'legacy', 'bios', etc.
[13:05] <adroit_machine> ok matsaman.
[13:05] <matsaman> chances are it offers legacy/bios, then you wouldn't need the ESP
[13:05] <matsaman> might save that for another time, although this is a good opportunity, if you have the time to play with it
[13:18] <ramsub07> Hi, how do i copy a large number of files from one destination to other? I face the following error "Argument list too long" other is a warning "  when i try with cp.  any better solutions?
[13:20] <xet7> ramsub07: cd destdir && rsync -aur --progress --delete /some/sourcedir .
[13:21] <ramsub07> xet7: will it preserve the ownership of the file?
[13:22] <ramsub07> I don't desire that option. what should I do?
[13:22] <xet7> ramsub07: Yes. run it as root. You can run it multiple times, until all are copied. --delete option makes sure that if something is deleted from source, it's deleted from destination too.
[13:22] <xet7> ramsub07: running one time is also enough
[13:23] <xet7> ramsub07: and you can also ctrl-c and continue later
[13:23] <ramsub07> xet7: while copying it to a NFS mounted drive, will that -delete option still hold good? even if I'd mount and unmount?
[13:24] <xet7> ramsub07: yes when you ctrl-c, unmount NFS, and later mount NFS, and run same rsync, it will continue
[13:25] <xet7> ramsub07: I do use --detele because many times for example some webbrowser cache files or some other files change on source while copying
[13:25] <xet7> rambsub07: --delete
[13:26] <ramsub07> xet7: cool, thanks!
[13:27] <xet7> ramsub07: you can also use same with ssh, like rsync -aur --progess --delete /home/user/Documents user@someserver:/home/user/Documents
[13:27] <ramsub07> xet7: rsync will make the two directories sync ?
[13:28] <xet7> Yes.
[13:28] <xet7> ramsub07: So source directory will be mirrored completely to destination directory with all changes
[13:28] <ramsub07> xet7: when does that happen? I mean, what is the trigger for the synchronization ?
[13:29] <xet7> ramsub07: Trigger is when you run rsync command. it transfers files from source to destination. It is similar to cp command.
[13:29] <xet7> ramsub07: rsync command has more options
[13:30] <ramsub07> xet7: i was wondering if there is a daemon or a cronjob that syncs the two directories at some interval or the trigger sets itself when the source has a modification?
[13:31] <xet7> ramsub07: For automatic sync and backups there is for example seafile https://www.seafile.com/en/home/
[13:33] <xet7> ramsub07: Sure you can setup rsync run in cronjob too
[13:33] <xet7> ramsub07: rsync transfers only changed files
[13:41] <ramsub07> xet7: also, is it possible to make these syncing multi-threaded or multiparallel so that the process of moving is faster? Or, does the multi processing doesn't make a difference with the IO?
[13:43] <Qemics> does ubuntu automatically turn off secure boot by itself when booting? I've enabled it in the bios but "mokutil --sb-state" tells me its disabled. how is this possible?
[13:43] <xet7> ramsub07: Usually first time sync takes most time. After that usually syncs are very fast, because usually not many files are often changed.
[13:46] <ramsub07> xet7: well, that's an assumption, which generally doesn't hold true in my case. For my case, I expect few new files, that are in the size of Giga bytes
[13:49] <xet7> ramsub07: You can speed up copying by running GNU Parallel http://www.yourownlinux.com/2015/04/speed-up-file-transfers-using-rsync-with-gnu-parallel.html
[13:55] <xet7> ramsub07: I'm not sure would lsyncd work with NFS: https://serverfault.com/questions/148665/is-it-possible-to-sync-two-linux-directories-in-real-time
[13:57] <ramsub07> xet7: thank you! Finally, my question is, is this approach as fast as it's potential speed?
[13:59] <xet7> ramsub07: if you get lsyncd working, it starts copying immediately after file change. I don't know how it could be any noticably faster.
[13:59] <xet7> ramsub07: I mean faster by some other way.
[14:01] <xet7> ramsub07: with seafile there is compression etc so in some cases it could be faster. You can test it yourself, I can only guess.
[14:01] <IniGit> hi
[14:01] <xet7> ramsub07: but with so big files compression could actually slow down copying, so in that case lsyncd is better
[14:02] <ramsub07> xet7: Which compression do you mean?
[14:03] <IniGit> can somebody help I have a blue colored font with green background in dash (the default Ubuntu shell). I read a forum post that says "Blue text with green background indicates that a directory is writable by others apart from the owning user and group, and does not have the sticky bit set (o+w, -t)". But now I do ls -l and it says that the folder with the blue text and green background has drwxrwxrwx as
[14:03] <IniGit> access permissions... Now that makes no sense to me. Is the forum post now wrong?
[14:03] <xet7> ramsub07: when using seafile for syncing and backups, seafile uses compression etc in-built code to speed up backups
[14:03] <ramsub07> xet7: ah okay
[14:04] <xet7> ramsub07: but for your case with just NFS and local directory most likely lsyncd is simpler
[14:04] <ramsub07> xet7: thanks, will go ahead with that
[14:05] <xet7> ramsub07: Ok good luck :)
[14:16] <ChiLL-Two> Go' Jul!
[14:37] <leonardus> Is there a program that flashes black and white really quickly? I need to test something.
[14:44] <ph88> what's this pcre3 package? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcre3  pcre is only at version 2
[14:57] <dsag> hi how can i use EOF-ignore with the less command
[14:58] <CookieM> “older library, confusingly called pcre3 in Debian.”
[15:43] <mhctud09> Hey does anyone here have screen flickering issues on ubuntu 16.04 LTS, when connected to an external monitor?
[15:45] <mhctud09> Hey does anyone here have screen flickering issues on ubuntu 16.04 LTS, when connected to an external monitor?...My laptop screen starts to blink and flicker repeatedly... This happens when i exit watching a video in full screen mode on the external monitor....
[15:45] <renpic> does it flicker on any resolution? or just on some of them?
[15:45] <mhctud09> Any help is appreciated.
[15:46] <mhctud09> @renpic at my standard resolution
[15:46] <mhctud09> i don't change my resolution
[15:46] <mhctud09> and if i don't watch anything in full screen..if i use it normally
[15:46] <mhctud09> there is no problem at all
[15:46] <renpic> maybe you can try a quick test with a different resolution
[15:46] <renpic> ooh
[15:47] <mhctud09> i will give it a try now
[15:47] <renpic> then maybe it's not the resolution at all
[15:48] <renpic> does it log anything pertinent in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[15:48] <OerHeks> depends on your gpu, if nvidia, there are some settings that makes a differenc
[15:48] <renpic> Or maybe in dmesg
[15:48] <OerHeks> like sync to blank, antialiassing and such
[15:49] <mhctud09> my laptop is thinkpad t470
[15:49] <mhctud09> no nvidia graphics card
[15:49] <OerHeks> oh oke, Intel HD Graphics 620
[15:49] <OerHeks> on what ubuntu version?
[15:50] <mhctud09> yup
[15:50] <mhctud09> the log is empty
[15:50] <Captain_Haddock> mhctud09: FWIW, I see similar behaviour with my dual monitor and full screen behaviour. From what I can tell, this happens only once I wake the PC from a suspended state. I reboot to fix it.
[15:50] <Captain_Haddock> (This is with the nvidia driver.)
[15:50] <leonardus> How do I upgrade my kernel to 4.20?
[15:51] <OerHeks> mhctud09, and what session, wayland or xorg?
[15:51] <iosecure> leonardus: Is there a particular reason why you need to?
[15:51] <cow0w> Hi:) Q: Is it possible to browse NFS sharing without mounting?
[15:51] <leonardus> iosecure: I read that there are better video drivers and I've been having driver problems
[15:51] <OerHeks> leonardus, wait for updates on 18.10, or use the mainline repo, at your own isc
[15:51] <OerHeks> !mainline
[15:51] <iosecure> leonardus: Which video drivers?
[15:51] <leonardus> iosecure: amd
[15:51] <mhctud09> rebooting does not fix it
[15:52] <mhctud09> as i said earlier,
[15:52] <mhctud09> everything works fine
[15:52] <mhctud09> the moment
[15:52] <Captain_Haddock> Ease up on the use of your return key, please.
[15:52] <mhctud09> i watch a video in fullscreen mode and return back to normal, the laptop screen starts to flicker
[15:53] <renpic> cow0w, it should be somthing like 'showmout -e SERVERIP'
[15:53] <renpic> but it just shows the exported filesystems
[15:53] <cow0w> renpic, this way I could see what is exported, I would actualy like to browse its content
[15:53] <ioria> mhctud09, try the 'Set i915 kernel module options' part of this : https://aboutsimon.com/blog/2016/07/20/Ubuntu-16.04-external-monitor-flickering-and-turning-off-on-intel-i915.html
[15:54] <cow0w> like you could browse in nautilus smb://
[15:54] <OerHeks> intel hd620 and older kernels could well use 'i915.alpha_support=1'
[15:55] <mhctud09> @ioria Thanks, i will give it a try :)
[15:55] <ioria> mhctud09, ok
[15:55] <mhctud09>  but in the blog, his fix is for fine external monitor flickering
[15:56] <mhctud09> my external monitor does not flicker at all, at any point in time.
[15:57] <ioria> mhctud09, what's your kernel ?  uname -r
[15:58] <mhctud09> 4.15.0-43-generic
[16:02] <mhctud09> @ioria and my laptop is thinkpad t470, running ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[16:02] <ioria> mhctud09, what's the cpu ? Skylake
[16:03] <OerHeks> with such new hardware, that will do fine with kernel 4.14 .. so use HWE or upgrade to 18.04
[16:03] <ioria> mhctud09, lscpu | grep 'Model name'
[16:03] <renpic> cow0w, doesn't it work with nfs://SERVERNAME/SHARE?
[16:04] <OerHeks> ioria intel hd620 comes with Kaby lake?
[16:04] <ioria> OerHeks, henestly i don't remember...
[16:04] <OerHeks> i know 16.04 needed 'i915.alpha_support=1'
[16:05] <ioria> that is for coffee lake
[16:06] <ioria> mhctud09, lscpu | grep 'Model name'
[16:10] <mhctud09> @ioria Model name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7200U CPU @ 2.50GHz
[16:11] <mhctud09> the funniest thing is, the flickering on my laptop screen stops, with just a mouse click on the laptop screen.
[16:22] <ioria> mhctud09, so the issue is just when you exit from full-screen ?
[16:23] <OerHeks> i think you better file a bugreport
[16:50] <en1gma> im having problems with ubuntu 18.04.1 amd64 desktop and also with 18.10 amd64 desktop. i burn both images to my dvd-rw. 18.10 just thashes my dvd drive (but does load super slow) and 18.04.1 dont load up at all
[16:51] <en1gma> im on windows 10 when i burn the images and use windows built-in burning software
[16:54] <myself> en1gma: There's a good chance that the media is marginal; try a surface scan with Nero CD-DVD-Speed or DVDinfopro.
[16:55] <IniGit> hi
[16:55] <en1gma> do 18.04 and 18.10 have different uefi stuff?
[16:55] <IniGit> When I want to install Ubuntu wiouth the something else optionin the installer, how do I change the default drive that is used to install Ubuntu
[16:55] <IniGit> ?
[16:56] <myself> I don't know about the uefi thing, sorry.
[16:56] <iosecure> en1gma: What's the question, exactly?
[16:57] <OerHeks> en1gma, not different, see !uefi
[16:57] <OerHeks> !uefi
[16:59] <OerHeks> IniGit, the drive option is below the parted layout https://i.stack.imgur.com/qp8cy.png
[16:59] <IniGit> OerHeks: Isn't this the something else tab? I do not want to use the something else option
[17:00] <OerHeks> oh i see
[17:01] <IniGit> Or is there any way I can get the information which commands are used in the default lvm+luks install of Ubuntu?
[17:01] <IniGit> Only option I see at the moment is to unplug all my drives except the one where I want it installed on :(
[17:01] <IniGit> that sucks :(
[17:02] <iosecure> Which media are you using?
[17:02] <OerHeks> then you certainly want to use 'something else' to make sure
[17:02] <IniGit> I have three ssds in my pc. one of them is windows one of them is an unencrypted Ubuntu and now the third one should be an encrypted Ubuntu
[17:02] <en1gma> im using Memorex on both images
[17:03] <en1gma> 18.10 does have the ubuntu menu "try ubuntu without installing". 18.04.1 doesnt even see menu. totally bypasses and boots windows
[17:03] <IniGit> but I do not want to use gparted + something else tab, simply because there are not many descriptions that I understand on the internet. My knowledge about that topic is not so good. SO I want to use the default installer lvm + luks and select the correct ssd
[17:03] <IniGit> but there is not dialog to select a ssd
[17:03] <IniGit> which is not good
[17:04] <IniGit> I mean I understand why they do that
[17:04] <en1gma> erased the dvd-rw and am burning and verifying it right now
[17:05] <IniGit> I want to use the default, because I assume that encryption is setuped correctly there
[17:05] <IniGit> Only way is to unplug all drives except the one where it should be installed on or is there another way?
[17:05] <en1gma> brb. gonna test this new image
[17:10] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help me make accents work with Programmer Dvorak on Unity? It works properly with Plasma but not Unity...
[17:16] <OerHeks> hexhaxtron, fastest way is to run the keyboard detection script in settings, it will ask for specific characters to set it up correctly
[17:50] <mhctud09> @ioria Yes, only when i exit a fullscreen video on my external monitor, my laptop screen starts to flicker
[17:56] <funabash1> hi guys, whats a good antivirus program for ubuntu?
[17:59] <iosecure> funabash1: What's driving the need for one?
[18:00] <OerHeks> depends on what for what ..
[18:00] <ioria> mhctud09, i assume the first suggestion i made didn't work ?  if not try to boot with the   i915.enable_psr=0   parameter
[18:00] <OerHeks> !antivirus
[18:03] <OerHeks> basicly, an antivirus running on a system is useless, monitoring filechanges and scanning with a antivirus live iso is much more secure
[18:04] <iosecure> Eh, I disagree with that statement. But I do agree that, unless you're passing files to Windows systems, antivirus applications are unnecessary on Linux systems.
[18:48] <Sia-> Hi, i have an SD card from digital samsung camera. can mount it on win and mac and in ubuntu can see it in disks and fdisk. but isn't mountable in nautilus or somewhere else.
[18:49] <OerHeks> errors in the filesystem could prevent mounting, or the filesystem is not supported without additional tools, like exfat
[18:49] <Sia-> OerHeks, already installed all of this
[18:49] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[18:50] <OerHeks> or use the disks tool, to perform a check
[18:51] <Sia-> OerHeks, that doesn't help me now. i dont want format my SD card after each video and photo taking and format it again in my camera.
[18:52] <ioria> Sia-, have you checked dmesg | tail after inserting the card ?
[18:54] <Sia-> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ppKMdMk85N/
[18:54] <iosecure> What filesystem is the SD card using?
[18:56] <Sia-> iosecure, after disks it's Unknown
[18:56] <iosecure> What does Windows or macOS say it is?
[18:56] <ioria> Sia-, dmesg | tail -40
[18:59] <Sia-> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QYk7y3PT9M/
[19:00] <ioria> Sia-, and do you have for any chance an usb adapter ?
[19:00] <Sia-> ioria, yes i do
[19:01] <ioria> Sia-, can you try with it ?
[19:01] <iosecure> Personally, I'm wondering if it's formatted as exFAT.
[19:01] <iosecure> Windows and macOS support exFAT, Ubuntu doesn't by default.
[19:02] <OerHeks> unlikely yes, samsung would use fat32 by default
[19:02] <ioria> Sia-, did you install exfat-tutils and exfat-fuse ,if that the case ?
[19:02] <Sia-> ioria, with it working fine
[19:02] <ioria> Sia-, i see
[19:03] <ioria> Sia-, can we know the file system now ?
[19:03] <iosecure> OerHeks: Not necessarily. Depends on how new the camera is.
[19:03] <OerHeks> what kernel is this linux running?
[19:03] <Sia-> ioria, yes FAT (32-bit version)
[19:04] <ioria> Sia-, and exfat-utils and exfat-fuse installed , right ?
[19:04] <Sia-> OerHeks, the LTS with 18.04
[19:04] <Sia-> yes installed but before few minutes, should i reboot?
[19:05] <OerHeks> fsck.vfat -a /dev/sdXY
[19:05] <ioria> Sia-, inclined to think is a built-in sd reader issue  for now
[19:06] <Sia-> ioria, its macbook pro mid 2012, maybe :-)
[19:07] <Sia-> because apple always has some kind of unique :-)
[19:07] <OerHeks> oh, wait, there are some sdcard readers not supported in ubuntu..
[19:07] <ioria> Sia-, the age it's not relevant about those card reader
[19:08] <ioria> *s
[19:08] <Sia-> ioria, not about the age, but apple hardware are always special. i had alot of problem with Tem and CPU heating
[19:09] <ioria> Sia-, agree
[19:09] <OerHeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1531653
[19:10] <Sia-> but i found some nice small tools in launchpad and i got fixed. now the only issue lef is the the SD reader
[19:11] <OerHeks> most reports are about high speed cards https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBookPro9,2_(Mid-2012)#SD_Card_Reader
[19:12] <Sia-> thank you guys for great help here
[19:12] <Sia-> mine is from SanDisk 90mb/s
[19:15] <Geo> heh... i have the worst luck
[19:15] <mohnish> Hello! I'm using i3wm, I wanted to know what the random numbers at the bottom right of my monitor meant
[19:16] <Geo> I updated packages on my new install, and it removed/reinstalled grub. When it went to reinstall grub, it failed.
[19:16] <mohnish> The numbers at the left of the time and date
[19:16] <iosecure> A screenshot would help.
[19:16] <mohnish> Geo: Oh boy,
[19:16] <Geo> 'grub-install /dev/sda ' fails as well... is there something specific I need to do? grub-install /dev/sda1, where the esp is?
[19:16] <mohnish> iosecure: Okay wait
[19:18] <Geo> I'm in a 'normal' boot state right now (not livecd)
[19:21] <Geo> It sounds like its only looking for legacy mode, but I'm not sure if thats possible still
[19:21] <Geo> /boot/efi exists
[19:27] <Geo> iosecure: one more try, for old times sake? :)
[19:28] <mohnish> https://imgur.com/a/iV2U8jS
[19:28] <mohnish> iosecure
[19:28] <Geo> I have /sys/firmware/efi present, so I (think I) know I'm in the right mode
[19:29] <mohnish> go to the link
[19:29] <mohnish> I wanna know what the hightighted number denotes
[19:30] <iosecure> mohnish: Looks like a load average.
[19:30] <mohnish> Eh?
[19:30] <mohnish> What's that?
[19:31] <iosecure> A measure of how utilized the processor is.
[19:31] <iosecure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_(computing)#Unix-style_load_calculation
[19:32] <mohnish> I don't think so, I just did a lot of stuff to check it, opened a lotta programs, but it didn't move a bit
[19:32] <iosecure> That's not how load averages work.
[19:32] <iosecure> Load averages are calculated over time.
[19:32] <iosecure> What's the first line of the output of 'w'?
[19:32] <mohnish> I donn't get it
[19:33] <mohnish> optput of w?
[19:33] <mohnish>  01:03:14 up 21 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.21, 0.42, 0.53
[19:33] <mohnish> USER     TTY      FROM             LOGIN@   IDLE   JCPU   PCPU WHAT
[19:33] <mohnish> mohnish  tty7     :0               00:43   20:54  10.68s  0.52s i3-with-shmlog
[19:33] <iosecure> Yes. Run the command 'w'.
[19:33] <mohnish> This is it
[19:34] <iosecure> Have you configured i3status at all?
[19:34] <mohnish> OH, it matches with the numbers on by screen
[19:34] <mohnish> I think it is the load average
[19:35] <iosecure> Load averages are calculated on rolling 1 minute, 5 minute, and 15 minute scales.
[19:35] <mohnish> No, I haven't confu=igured it yet
[19:35] <iosecure> System activity will not immediately be reflected.
[19:35] <mohnish> Thank you
[19:35] <mohnish> Oh and by the way
[19:35] <mohnish> MERRY CHRISTMAS!
[19:36] <rtarded> Hi guys. I'm running Ubuntu 18.04, and I've installed linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04. The default kernel (4.15) comes with linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-43-generic, why can't I find something similar (modules-extra) for the hwe kernel? Thanks
[19:37] <Geo> hrmph... even specifying --efi-directory=/boot/efi, it still errors
[19:38] <rtarded> nevermind.. Found it (linux-modules-extra-4.18.0-13-generic)
[19:38] <xamithan> hwe is just a meta package
[19:39] <doge-doge> hey, I've got a small problem trying to load my grub menu after booting into win10. it's on a separate drive but i suspect /boot/efi is located there (or was there)
[19:40] <doge-doge> going into the uefi-bios and manually selecting the drive with the ubuntu partition to boot just kicks me back
[19:40] <doge-doge> do i need to chroot and then rebuild grub?
[19:41] <OerHeks> !find hwe-18.04
[19:43] <Sia-> another question, it's possible to enable systemtry for hexchat and others in 18.4?
[19:46] <doge-doge> why would grub put /boot/efi on a different drive other than the target drive when initially installing? is that abnormal behavior?
[19:47] <iosecure> grub doesn't put /boot/efi anywhere.
[19:48] <iosecure> grub copies files to /boot/efi. Wherever that filesystem lives, hardware-wise, depends on where you put it.
[19:48] <doge-doge> there seems to be a bug in the install process, somehow, nvme devices have higher boot priorities and that's where my /efi partion ended up. the target drive has /boot only
[19:49] <iosecure> Are you dual booting?
[19:49] <doge-doge> not on the same drive
[19:49] <iosecure> Ah, yes.
[19:49] <iosecure> Are both drives installed on the same system?
[19:49] <xamithan> I've always had to go back and fix with efibootmgr the kind of issues like that
[19:49] <iosecure> You shouldn't have two ESPs is the general concept, here.
[19:49] <doge-doge> 1 drive was supposed to have win10 and the other was supposed to have ubuntu
[19:49] <iosecure> If you already have one, you should simply use the existing one.
[19:50] <doge-doge> like i said, i can't boot into grub for some reason after a session in win10
[19:51] <doge-doge> despite manually selecting the ubuntu boot override drive
[19:51] <iosecure> Okay. You have two ESPs in the same system. This can lead to undefined behavior depending on the UEFI firmware in your system.
[19:52] <doge-doge> should i take out the win10 nvme drive for lulz?
[19:52] <iosecure> No. When you install Ubuntu, you should use the same ESP.
[19:52] <iosecure> Don't create a second one.
[19:53] <doge-doge> I *think* "windows boot manager" was selected as the default boot device and that brought up the grub menu, but selecting that now simply boots win10
[19:54] <xamithan> Because the one that probably says "ubuntu" is going to the wrong drive
[19:55] <doge-doge> i believe "ubuntu" points to the correct drive, but that drive only has the /boot partition, not the desired /boot/efi partition
[19:56] <iosecure> There shouldn't be more than one /boot/efi partition on a system.
[19:56] <iosecure> You have two. This is an error.
[19:56] <xamithan> ^
[19:57] <xamithan> When you do the install.  It'll ask you to make partitions or mount ones you want to use.  This is where you should mount the EFI
[19:58] <doge-doge> i simply did the auto-install and selected the target drive for ubuntu and that worked until now
[19:58] <xamithan> That'll work fine unless you dual-boot
[19:59] <doge-doge> you know, this never happened with manjaro -- you decrypt luks first and then presented with the grub menu
[20:00] <doge-doge> so i'm thinking the only way to solve this is to take out the nvme win10 drive, chroot and rebuild grub, yes?
[20:00] <xamithan> I don't see how that'll get your files onto the existing EFI partition
[20:01] <iosecure> Except that Manjaro is a known dumpster fire in most other respects.
[20:01] <iosecure> doge-doge: No. You are missing the concept. Use the EXISTING ESP. You should never create a situation where two ESPs exist on one system. Removing the Win10 drive will only help until you put it back. Then you'll be back in this situation.
[20:03] <OerHeks> the efi partition should be on the 1st drive, sda
[20:03] <doge-doge> nvme drives have a different naming scheme OerHeks
[20:03] <iosecure> By spec, it doesn't matter which disk its on. Windows, however, has specific requirements.
[20:04] <xamithan> Just re-do the installation like we said.  use the existing windows EFI for the EFI mount,  it isn't hard to find as it'll probably be a little over 100 megabytes
[20:06] <Geo> maybe i can try to slide my question back in- doing some apt updates, grub was uninstalled and reinstalled, and now says it can't install on sda (where my ESP is). "grub-install: warning: this GPT partition label contains no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible.
[20:07] <Geo> any thought what happened/why it wont' reinstall now?
[20:07] <doge-doge> i've got a sandisk usb drive, are you supposed to select "uefi: sandisk, partition 1" or "uefi: sandisk" when booting into the live session?
[20:10] <xamithan> That must be a sandisk thing,  take a guess and if it doesn't work try the other
[20:10] <OerHeks> doge-doge, yes, i did simular on my flshdrive to start in UEFI mode
[20:11] <doge-doge> you know, knowing ms, they probably already messed up that efi partition by now
[20:17] <premoboss> hello. i will like to have a wallpaper on my command line interface (from ALT-F1 to ALT-F6). IS it possible? if yes, how to no? no matter if i have to recompile something.
[20:20] <xamithan> virtual consoles are text only,  you could add wallpapers to terminal emulators if you want though
[20:22] <OerHeks> i read one other with such silly request https://askubuntu.com/questions/701874/how-can-i-customize-a-full-screen-console-background-tty
[20:23] <premoboss> xamithan, the idea is to add walpaper to a linuxbox without Xorg.
[20:23] <OerHeks> info info fbi
[20:23] <OerHeks> !info fbi
[20:23] <xamithan> Isn't fbterm not being developed anymore?
[20:24] <OerHeks> not sure, it is in the repos
[20:24] <OerHeks> !info fbterm
[20:24] <xamithan> last release 2010
[20:24] <premoboss> fbi is aviewer, i mean a fixed walpaper tghat stay fixed on background even if i type commant on CLI.
[20:25] <premoboss> CLI gas a black baground, so why not possible to bate a "image" as background?
[20:25] <xamithan> Because it renders text-only
[20:25] <xamithan> Thats why you need the fbterm replacement
[20:25] <premoboss> xamithan, so no way to do what i wish to do?
[20:26] <xamithan> Read that askubuntu link OerHeks posted
[20:26] <OerHeks> like this?
[20:26] <OerHeks> https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/1dlnca/ubuntu_1304_serverfbterm_science/
[20:26] <premoboss> i go to read.
[20:26] <OerHeks> it all depends on the image format, i guess
[20:26] <xamithan> Anything is possible with enough effort.  I wouldn't want to put in that much effort just to get a background on virtual tty,  maybe you do =)
[20:27] <premoboss> xamithan, ahaha :-)
[20:27] <Geo> xamithan: did you have any thoughts on the gru error I pasted earlier?
[20:28] <EriC^> hi Geo what's the problem
[20:28] <xamithan> Oh that grub error?  I looked at it briefly.  Either you aren't booted into the right mode EFI vs legacy.  Or the partition isn't set up correctly
[20:28] <Geo> maybe i can try to slide my question back in- doing some apt updates, grub was uninstalled and reinstalled, and now says it can't install on sda (where my ESP is). "grub-install: warning: this GPT partition label contains no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible.
[20:28] <Geo> BIOS is set to UEFI; it has booted properly prior to this
[20:29] <Geo> (and grub installed properly on install)
[20:29] <xamithan> so why are you using grub-install
[20:29] <xamithan> If its UEFI
[20:29] <EriC^> Geo: sounds like it's trying to install in legacy mode
[20:29] <Geo> EriC^: I would agree
[20:29] <EriC^> Geo: which grub version is installed? "dpkg -l | grep grub"
[20:29] <Geo> xamithan: because thats all I know
[20:29] <Geo> -efi-amd64 ?
[20:29] <xamithan> Er i mean why are you booting legacy if you got a UEFI
[20:30] <Geo> I'm not booting legacy
[20:30] <EriC^> Geo: what does 'ls /sys/firmware/efi' give?
[20:30] <Geo> and i can confirm /sys/firmware/efi exists
[20:30] <Geo> haha ^
[20:30] <Geo> EFI
[20:30] <Geo> so is there a different program than grub-install I should be using?
[20:31] <xamithan> no but you need the grub-efi package
[20:31] <EriC^> Geo: try forcing efi, sudo grub-install --target=x86_64-efi
[20:31] <xamithan> and the /boot/efi needs to be properly mounted in the chroot
[20:31] <Geo> grub-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory.
[20:31] <EriC^> Geo: are you doing this from a live usb?
[20:31] <Geo> no, booted system
[20:32] <Geo> it booted properly, just got hosed after doing some dpkg work
[20:32] <EriC^> Geo: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub-efi-amd64-signed
[20:32] <Geo> ok, installing...
[20:32] <EriC^> and grub-efi-amd64-bin as well
[20:32] <Geo> and success on install :)
[20:33] <EriC^> cool
[20:33] <Geo> Installation finished. No error reported.
[20:33] <xamithan> is grub-efi just the meta of those ?
[20:33] <Geo> thanks a ton
[20:33] <Geo> ahhh... damnit
[20:33] <EriC^> no problem
[20:33] <Geo> I know what happened
[20:33] <Geo> I was importin a list of packages from an old machine
[20:33] <Geo> ... that booted legacy
[20:34] <Geo> so it must have deselected the uefi stuff and remove
[20:34] <Geo> d
[20:34] <xamithan> Heh
[20:34] <Geo> makes perfect sense in hindsight
[20:34] <EriC^> ah
[20:40] <Exuma> does anyone know how to set up a socks5 proxy on ubuntu with basic auth user/password, but without having to make a linux user for it
[20:40] <Exuma> maybe just in the config file itself
[20:42] <xamithan> Even if you had a user in a config file it would still need to exist on the system
[20:46] <premoboss> OerHeks, thanks, the link reply to my need.
[20:46] <Exuma> xamithan i guess what im saying is i want it in a config file so ic an easily change the user
[20:46] <Exuma> without having to add/delete users
[20:47] <Geo> ok, bonus points
[20:47] <xamithan> For the users theirself or for the program to run as ?
[20:47] <xamithan> You could always make a wrapper
[20:47] <Exuma> im trying to make a socks5 proxy with user:pass@ip:port where the user/pass can be easily changed
[20:48] <xamithan> I don't know of any socks software that'll do that.  Maybe one exists
[20:50] <OerHeks> premoboss, have fun!
[20:50] <premoboss> OerHeks, nos i must work to make it start at boot, im tinking to placve the wrapper onto /etc/rc.local
[20:59] <craigbass76> I don't know what package removal did this, but I've got no network after a reboot. ifconfig just shows lo:... ip a showed a disabled enp0s25. After ip link set up enp0s25 and dhclient, I'm up and running. But I'm curious what happened to cause this.
[21:00] <iosecure> Which version of Ubuntu?
[21:01] <craigbass76> iosecure, 18.04. I'm wondering if apt got trigger happy when I uninstalled an old hplip the other day. I know python got wiped off, not sure what else the autoremove got rid of.
[21:02] <xamithan> what is managing the network,  just make that start on boot
[21:02] <iosecure> netplan?
[21:03] <craigbass76> No idea. I'm old -- still used to /etc/init.d scripts
[21:03] <xamithan> I don't assume anything with how many choices there is these days
[21:03] <iosecure> craigbass76: Desktop or server?
[21:03] <xamithan> If I had to assume,  he has a desktop with networkmanager and could just right click in the systemtray to fix it
[21:03] <craigbass76> Desktop. The GUI tool did me no good. I'm on XFCE at the moment
[21:06] <craigbass76> Network Connections shows nothing, but here I am on irc... Weird.
[21:12] <Geo> ok, so I need to copy /etc from one machine to another. How can I transfer files that preserve the owner, when some are root, from machine to another (that doesn't have root user login enabled for ssh)
[21:12] <Geo> I was thinking of copying to a dir, chown'ing to a local user and using that, but I'm worried that I can't track user perms properly
[21:13] <craigbass76> Can you run rsync on the remote machine, and pull instead of push the files?
[21:13] <craigbass76> Or is root ssh disabled on both boxes?
[21:14] <Geo> disabled on both
[21:14] <Geo> I mean, I guess I could enable it for a bit on one machine
[21:14] <Geo> But now I'm more curious about the concept in general
[21:16] <EriC^> Geo: one way to do it would be to save the permissions using getfacl then use setfacl to restore them
[21:16] <iosecure> tar / rsync are your best options.
[21:17] <EriC^> yeah tar would be nice
[21:17] <Geo> ah, yes, tar will preserve perms, won't it
[21:17] <Geo> good call
[21:18] <Geo> -p should be sufficient?
[21:18] <iosecure> You don't even need to transfer a file.
[21:19] <UserYok05> !19.04
[21:19] <iosecure> tar cpf - /etc | ssh remote 'tar xp -C /etc'
[21:19] <iosecure> Streams the tar archive data to the remote system, which extracts in place. Change the destination directory as desired.
[21:19] <Geo> sexy.
[21:20] <UserYok05> !usb
[21:20] <UserYok05> !ram
[21:21] <Geo> hmm
[21:22] <Geo> I think I have to login as root for ssh on that, no?
[21:22] <iosecure> Yes. Create an ssh keypair as root on the source system, and copy the public half to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys.
[21:22] <iosecure> On the target system.
[21:23] <iosecure> sshd's default configuration is 'PermitRootLogin prohibit-password' which allows key login.
[21:23] <iosecure> At least, on Ubuntu.
[21:24] <UserYok05> !ssd
[21:29] <Geo> well if keypairs work, I don't even need to tar; scp should be fine?
[21:29] <xamithan> You doing one file ?
[21:30] <Geo> but alternatively, I could tar, copy over the tar as a user, then extract as root on the local machine I think
[21:30] <Geo> xamithan: the /etc dir
[21:30] <iosecure> Geo: Or you could do what I said, and do the simple thing.
[21:31] <xamithan> Just rsync with -a
[21:33] <Geo> I can't tell if rsync would support keypairs or not, with an ssh transfer
[21:33] <iosecure> rsync goes over ssh by default.
[21:34] <iosecure> So if you have the keys appropriately set up, rsync is also just as easy.
[21:34] <Geo> I was looking for the -i equivilent, I don't think that exists
[21:34] <iosecure> In what?
[21:34] <Geo> rsync
[21:34] <Geo> specifying which keypair to use
[21:34] <iosecure> If you have the keys set up correctly, you don't have to.
[21:35] <iosecure> ssh will automatically use private keys named id_blah in ~/.ssh
[21:35] <Geo> right, i have several I use depending on where I'm going
[21:35] <Geo> so id_bla_foo, id_bla_bar, etc
[21:35] <iosecure> Sounds pointless.
[21:36] <Geo> *shrug* ok
[21:36] <iosecure> Rephrasing: That's unnecessary.
[21:36] <iosecure> So if you like to complicate things, go for it, but... There's no technical reason to do so.
[21:37] <iosecure> rsync -a -e "ssh -i $HOME/.ssh/keyfile" /from/dir/ user@host:/to/dir/
[21:43] <ph88> i installed libpcre2-32-0 but pkg-config can't find it, anyone know what's up with that ?
[21:44] <ph88> i have the file  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkgconfig/libpcre2-32.pc
[21:44] <Geo> are there any gotchas I should observe in copy /etc from one machine to another?
[21:45] <Geo> *copying
[21:45] <Geo> I'm hoping for a near-exact clone, to include users, groups, etc.
[21:45] <Geo> I don't know what host-specific files might be lurking in there though
[21:47] <xamithan> If you got different users using different UIDs it might cause tons of problems with file permissions
[21:47] <hggdh> Geo: usually, copying /etc as is from one machine to the other is not a good idea
[21:48] <just4you> Hello!
[21:48] <ph88> nvm maybe it's just not suppose to print anything by default
[21:49] <just4you> I have a big problem in my system can I found a solution?
[21:49] <iosecure> Depends on the problem.
[21:49] <Geo> xamithan: hmm.
[21:49] <Bashing-om> !ask | just4you
[21:50] <Geo> new system is fresh install; as long as the (only) user on the new system matches the ID of the same user on the old machine, it should be fine? maybe? Good catch
[21:50] <Geo> hggdh: which part concerns you specifically?
[21:51] <Geo> fstab, too...
[21:51] <just4you> I've got a problem in my system |GUI wasn't able to make it|, So I formatted my System and I reinstalled it but after reinstalling my system started to freeze so much!
[21:52] <Geo> meh
[21:52] <just4you> I guess it's from Ubuntu Base! because I knew a friend has the same problem
[21:52] <just4you> Sorry for that but I'm new ubuntu user ^^
[21:53] <Bashing-om> just4you: Known good - verified - install medium ?
[21:53] <just4you> what is medium -,-
[21:54] <Geo> if it weren't for the damn legacy->uefi, I would have just pulled the drives and moved them over
[21:54] <Geo> still think that would have been faster, haha
[21:54] <Geo> but now I know uefi!
[21:54] <Bashing-om> just4you: USB - DVD - Gaed drive - else ?
[21:54] <just4you> I installed ubuntu using USB =)
[21:55] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | just4you
[21:58] <just4you> Sorry, But I don't have iso image file right now but I downloaded it from ubuntu (Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS)
[22:00] <iosecure> just4you: That process isn't to confirm the source of the image. It's to confirm that it wasn't corrupted during the download.
[22:00] <iosecure> Or during writing to media.
[22:01] <just4you> But I installed ubuntu in 5 devices, Only this device is freezing
[22:01] <Geo> First time in almost 10 years of using ubuntu, I had a corrupted image a few weeks ago
[22:01] <Geo> Took me 3 failed installs to think to verify the md5
[22:02] <just4you> So you suggested me to reinstall with verifying md5
[22:04] <OerHeks> so all those devices are the same hardware?
[22:05] <just4you> Yeah Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS on 5 devices,
[22:05] <just4you> Only 2 of them has freezing problem
[22:06] <no-n> hi. when I ssh into my ubuntu server and start tmux, tmux hangs. how do I use tmux on an ssh'd ubuntu server?
[22:07] <no-n> I'm running 16.04
[22:08] <no-n> s/the server is/I'm/
[22:09] <no-n> uh s/I'm/the server is/ I mean
[22:15] <iosecure> no-n: Do you commonly use tmux?
[22:15] <no-n> yes
[22:16] <no-n> only locally so far
[22:17] <iosecure> Check out byobu.
[22:17] <iosecure> It should already be installed.
[22:17] <iosecure> tmux config manager. 'byobu', or 'byobu-enable' to autostart it when you log in as that user.
[22:19] <no-n> I started it. It just clears the screen and puts the cursor at the top
[22:20] <iosecure> Then you have an existing tmux session that's hung.
[22:20] <no-n> ah
[22:20] <iosecure> Not sure why that happens, but I've had it happen with tmux on every OS I've used. Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, CentOS, FreeBSD, Arch Linux, etc. tmux will occasionally hang when connecting to an existing session.
[22:21] <no-n> create session failed: /usr/bin/byobu-shell: No such file or directory
[22:21] <iosecure> Odd.
[22:21] <no-n> am i supposed to create a link to a shell there?
[22:21] <iosecure> No.
[22:22] <iosecure> That should be installed by the byobu package, which is standard for an Ubuntu server install.
[22:22] <no-n> Hmm
[22:22] <iosecure> The command byobu exists, so you definitely have the package.
[22:22] <no-n> perhaps my VPS is running plain Ubuntu
[22:22] <no-n> brb
[22:22] <iosecure> What's your VPS host?
[22:22] <no-n> https://www.vpscity.co.nz
[22:23] <iosecure> Never dealt with them, can't comment on the quality.
[22:23] <iosecure> But it seems like at least one file for an installed package is inexplicably absent.
[22:30] <no-n> hmmm
[22:38] <devout> hi can someone help me.. im using Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 1250 HDTV Tuner PCI-E Model tv tuner with "tvtime" program.  it mostly works but the picture is distorted and wavy..
[22:38] <devout> other programs such as kaffeine wouldnt work at all
[22:38] <tatertots> devout: on all channels or on 1 specific channel?
[22:39] <devout> i only have it on channel 3, its attached to the cable box
[22:39] <devout> i jiggled and screwed in the cables all over, no avail
[22:39] <tatertots> devout: oh so you're not actually using ATSC but standard coax/rf sdtv
[22:39] <devout> ok?
[22:39] <devout> what steps should i take
[22:40] <devout> i have a similar model but USB for notebooks, it works fine on my laptop
[22:40] <devout> this one is pci
[22:40] <tatertots> devout: linuxtv.org
[22:41] <devout> i mean i tried like 4-5 other clients nothing worked
[22:42] <devout> ive had success with tvttime in the past
[22:42] <devout> on other setups
[22:42] <tatertots> devout: you plan on using analog cable box or OTA HDTV/ATSC?
[22:42] <devout> analog
[22:43] <devout> i think
[22:43] <devout> idk its cablevision NYC area
[22:43] <devout> samsung
[22:44] <tatertots> devout: does your cable provider offer clear QAM channels?...most in the USA are moving to "switched SV"
[22:44] <devout> i dont know really
[22:45] <devout> i didnt need any special parameters when i did it with the USB device on my laptop
[22:45] <devout> with the same program, tvtime, it just worked with a little tweaking
[22:45] <tatertots> devout: visit linuxtv.org and find your device and scan for channels
[22:45] <devout> ok, you understand i scanned for channels and it came up and i have audio and the picture its just alittle messed up
[22:45] <devout> still find device and scan?
[22:46] <tatertots> devout: that's analog sdtv via cable box rf channel 3
[22:46] <tatertots> devout: visit linuxtv.org and find your device and scan for channels
[22:46] <devout> ok
[22:46] <devout> thanks
[22:48] <tatertots> devout: https://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_devices
[22:49] <devout> ok im on itt
[22:49] <devout> thanks
[22:54] <devout> tatertots: i dont know which frequency or setting to use
[22:54] <devout> https://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Scan
[22:54] <devout> i got the modul einstalled
[22:56] <devout> tvtime does its own scan too but i could try a different setting
[22:56] <devout> its been successful finding the right channel the picture is just distorted
[22:58] <devout> kaffeine similarly has all the pal and ntsc settings
[22:58] <devout> but i havent been successful to get a picture in that
[23:01] <devout> NTSC gets me a picture
[23:05] <devout> any more ideas, tatertots ?
[23:06] <devout> the module is loaded and scan came up for one channel
[23:06] <devout> still distorted picture
[23:14] <devout> ok i think i may be onto something, this scan may work
[23:15] <devout> No
[23:28] <tatertots> devout: hiya..was away for a bit
[23:28] <devout> hi
[23:28] <devout> im uscing w_scan now but it doesnt seem to be finding anything
[23:29] <devout> FREQ (54.00MHz ... 858.00MHz)
[23:29] <devout> does that mean a channel was found?
[23:29] <tatertots> devout: you need to scan for clear QAM channels from your provider HFC hi usually works
[23:29] <devout> how do i do that
[23:29] <tatertots> are you using tzap, azap? to do your "initial" scanning
[23:29] <tatertots> ?
[23:30] <devout> idk im using "scan" and "w_scan" and "tvtime" app does its own internal scan that turns up the channel, just a distorted picture.. the same process with another TV tuner card worked on my laptop so i dont see its an issue with specific channels or anything
[23:30] <tatertots> first tell me your card info?.....usb or pci?
[23:30] <devout> w_scan is working right now
[23:30] <devout> pci e
[23:31] <tatertots> which hauppauge do you have?
[23:31] <devout> Front view of a Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1250
[23:31] <devout>  Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1250
[23:31] <devout> cx23885 module
[23:32] <devout> w_scan turnd up empty, no data found
[23:32] <devout> but tv time apps internal scan shows a picture
[23:32] <tatertots> devout: NTSC is "unsupported" by the way just FYI https://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCIe_cards
[23:32] <devout> i see
[23:32] <devout> tvtime works though in most respects, the picture is just distorted
[23:32] <devout> and i used a similar process with another card that was successful
[23:32] <devout> no distortion
[23:33] <tatertots> devout: because tvtime is NTSC and ntsc isn't supported
[23:33] <devout> no special frequencies or anything
[23:33] <devout> QAM
[23:33] <devout> nothing
[23:33] <devout> ok
[23:33] <devout> as i said it worked with a similar tv tuner on usb
[23:33] <devout> from happauge
[23:35] <devout> any ideas/
[23:36] <devout> or am i up the creek?
[23:37] <tatertots> you'll need to manually scan for HDTV channels
[23:37] <tatertots> https://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Testing_your_DVB_device
[23:37] <tatertots> for ATSC (whats used in america) you'll use zap from dvb-apps
[23:38] <devout> ok, im on it thanks
[23:39] <devout> what should i use to scan
[23:39] <devout> tzap?
[23:40] <tatertots> zap
[23:40] <tatertots> it's in "dvb-apps"
[23:41] <tatertots> step #1 shown here https://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Testing_your_DVB_device instructs you to obtain the "dvb-apps" package to have HDTV "tools"
[23:41] <devout> yea i have it
[23:42] <devout> (dvb)scan /path_to_the_initial_scan_file > ~/.{a,c,s,t}zap/channels.conf
[23:42] <devout> where is the initial file
[23:42] <devout> or should i be using zap
[23:43] <tatertots> you haven't "scanned" yet....scanning results in having a channels.conf
[23:43] <tatertots> step #2
[23:43] <tatertots> "refer to "
[23:43] <devout> 2. Scan for the channels you can receive
[23:43] <tatertots> it's referring you to make a channels.conf
[23:43] <devout> it suggests running a command line so
[23:43] <devout>  (dvb)scan /path_to_the_initial_scan_file >
[23:43] <devout>                 ~/.{a,c,s,t}zap/channels.conf
[23:44] <devout> the scan command wants an initial file
[23:44] <devout> before it creates channels.conf
[23:44] <tatertots> correct
[23:44] <tatertots> Refer to the (dvb)scan article for details of how to perform this step. Once familiar with the content of that article, you will recognize that this step can be summarized (in general form) by:
[23:45] <devout> scan comes with
[23:45] <devout>  terrestrial transmitters (for dvb-t)
[23:45] <devout> the listed settings are all for UK
[23:45] <devout> ~$ scan /usr/share/dvb/dvb-s/Eurobird1-28.5E >latest_channels.conf
[23:45] <devout> scanning /usr/share/dvb/dvb-s/Eurobird1-28.5E
[23:45] <devout> how do i customize that for my card
[23:45] <tatertots> then now you have the "channels.conf"
[23:46] <devout> nah
[23:46] <devout> that was pasted from the page
[23:46] <devout> i cant figure out the scan command
[23:46] <devout> ok im onto something
[23:46] <tatertots> lol...well you'll have to figure out the scan command
[23:47] <devout> ok
[23:47] <tatertots> you're not gonna make any progress unless you can scan
[23:47] <tatertots> scanning results in the creation of a channels.conf to be used in later steps of the setup
[23:49] <devout> it doesnt have any USA listings
[23:49] <devout> auto-Default didnt work
[23:50] <tatertots> open terminal
[23:50] <devout> ya
[23:51] <devout>  scan -a 0 /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/auto-Default
[23:51] <tatertots> sudo apt install inxi
[23:51] <tatertots> let me know when done
[23:51] <devout> done
[23:51] <tatertots> inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[23:51] <tatertots> share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[23:52] <devout> https://termbin.com/xk3h
[23:52] <tatertots> ls -lh /dev/dv*|nc termbin.com 9999
[23:52] <tatertots> share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[23:52] <devout> https://termbin.com/oo99
[23:52] <devout> it should be on /dev/video0
[23:53] <devout> i think
[23:53] <devout> not sure
[23:53] <devout> maybe not
[23:53] <tatertots> ok you're drivers are installed
[23:53] <devout> yea
[23:53] <devout> let me paste u resluts of scan
[23:54] <tatertots> have you tried kaffiene?
[23:54] <devout> i didnt paste all of it just a sample
[23:54] <devout> yes it doesnt work
[23:54] <devout> none of them do but tvtime
[23:54] <devout> https://pastebin.com/GBFJ5WZy
[23:54] <devout> i followed documentaton exactly
[23:54] <devout> it didnt find any channels
[23:54] <devout> tvtime worked instantly on scan
[23:54] <devout> only picture is distorted
[23:54] <devout> sound, picture work
[23:55] <devout> its own scan though
[23:55] <devout> not scan command
[23:55] <tatertots> hmmm interesting...kaffiene usually exposes the scanning for usa channels plain
[23:55] <tatertots> you may need to try several ATSC compatible scanners
[23:55] <tatertots> to find one with USA freq
[23:56] <devout> well FWIW i used tvtime on my laptop with no special scanners on the same cable feed last year it worked
[23:56] <tatertots> I noticed the one used in example is for DVB users that live in the UK
[23:56] <devout> yes
[23:56] <devout> with a slightly different card
[23:56] <devout> a USB one
[23:56] <tatertots> then just go back to that hardware setup
[23:56] <devout> yeah ill try to see if i can get it working on my desktop
[23:56] <devout> alright thanks for your help man
[23:56] <devout> really nice of you
[23:56] <tatertots> if you can't....you'll be figuring out how to scan digital
[23:57] <devout> i only spent $15 on this card anyway from ebay
[23:57] <devout> will try the USB card
[23:57] <devout> thanks
[23:57] <devout> thanks tatertots
[23:59] <tatertots> no prob